Fantasy Football Podcast 2015 - Week 11 Review, Studs and Duds, MNF Preview, Fantasy News

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast - Week 11 Review, Studs and Duds, MNF Preview, Fantasy News
Release Date: November 23, 2015
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike “The Fantasy Hitman” Wright

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Introduction and Week 11 Highlights

The Fantasy Footballers kick off the episode with a vibrant welcome back from hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Andy shares his excitement about attending the Cincinnati Bengals vs. Arizona Cardinals game, noting the intense atmosphere despite being overwhelmed by the sea of Cincinnati fans:

Andy Holloway [02:00]: "I was screaming at the top of my lungs all last night at the Cardinal Bengals Sunday night football game, which was just a delight."

Fantasy Rewind: Key Injuries and News

The hosts delve into the tumultuous injury landscape of Week 11, emphasizing the impact on both players and fantasy managers. Major updates include Joe Flacco's torn ACL, sidelining him for the rest of the season:

Andy Holloway [08:35]: "Joe Flacco has torn his ACL. The Ravens are out of players and they have resigned for the rest of the season."

Additionally, Justin Forsett suffers a severe forearm injury, and other notable injuries like Devontae Freeman's concussion are discussed. Mike emphasizes the necessity of having Tevin Coleman as Freeman's backup:

Mike Wright [11:28]: "Hopefully you were rostering Tevin Coleman. So if Freeman misses a week, you've got Coleman."

Stud Muffins: Top Performers of the Week

The trio highlights standout performances across various positions, identifying "stud muffins" that fantasy managers can rely on moving forward.

Quarterbacks

• Cam Newton (Carolina Panthers): An MVP candidate, Newton delivered an impressive performance with multiple touchdowns.

  Andy Holloway [21:44]: "Cam Newton, 21 for 246, A5, touchdowns and just massacred Washington."

• Jameis Winston (Tampa Bay Buccaneers): Showcased his prowess with five touchdowns, bolstered by Vincent Jackson's return.

  Jason Moore [22:22]: "Really impressive game from Winston. He really made a difference with Vincent Jackson back."

• Russell Wilson (Seattle Seahawks): Consistent performances with significant yardage and touchdown contributions.

  Andy Holloway [24:47]: "Russell Wilson, 24 for 263, touchdowns, and got it done. Tyler Lockett was the beneficiary."

Running Backs

• Thomas Rawls (Seattle Seahawks): Emerged as a formidable force, emulating Marshawn Lynch's style with explosive runs.

  Andy Holloway [30:46]: "Thomas Rawls ran like a maniac... every time it looked like he was going out of bounds, he just kept running through."

• Doug Martin (Denver Broncos): Displayed remarkable consistency with high yardage and touchdowns.

  Jason Moore [32:21]: "Doug Martin looked very good. He almost didn't play in the second half but was impressive when he did."

Wide Receivers

• DeAndre Hopkins (Houston Texans): Dominated with multiple touchdowns and significant yardage, solidifying his status as a top WR.

  Andy Holloway [26:11]: "DeAndre Hopkins, 5 for 118 and two touchdowns. He’s the best wide receiver that’s ever played the game."

• Tyler Lockett (Seattle Seahawks): Continued to be a reliable target, especially with his involvement in the passing game.

  Mike Wright [27:42]: "Great future or great dynasty type guy... You never know who it's going to be for the Seahawks."

Tight Ends

• Kyle Rudolph (Cleveland Browns): Surged as a reliable tight end with substantial yardage and a touchdown.

  Andy Holloway [39:36]: "Kyle Rudolph, 6 for 106 and a touchdown. He came out of nowhere this week."

Pooped in the Big Boy Pants: Underperformers

The hosts candidly discuss players who disappoint, impacting fantasy lineups adversely.

Quarterbacks

• Philip Rivers (San Diego Chargers): Suffered a poor performance due to a disjointed offensive strategy and a strong Kansas City defense.

  Jason Moore [40:39]: "Philip Rivers killed people this week... he was almost my set of the week."

• Derek Carr (Oakland Raiders): Experienced a letdown despite a generally reliable track record.

  Jason Moore [40:39]: "Derek Carr has just been so reliable... But he had a bad week with 13 for 169 and 0 touchdowns."

Running Backs

• James Starks (Green Bay Packers): Failed to capitalize on opportunities, causing frustration among fantasy managers.

  Andy Holloway [43:21]: "James Starks had two stupid touchdowns on the goal line. He definitely ruined some fantasy teams."

• Eddie Lacy (Green Bay Packers): Struggled with performance and had issues with ball security.

  Andy Holloway [45:39]: "Eddie Lacy gets a pass and rumbles a little bit... but he looked unhealthy, like he's piddling with his big boy pants."

Wide Receivers

• Amari Cooper (Dallas Cowboys): Had a disastrous week, failing to meet the expected performance levels.

  Andy Holloway [43:57]: "Amari Cooper had a disastrous week."

• Jordan Matthews (Philadelphia Eagles): Despite extensive playtime, Matthews delivered minimal yardage and no touchdowns.

  Jason Moore [44:35]: "Jordan Matthews played all 71 snaps and came out with four for 13. Not what I'd expect."

Mailbag: Listener Questions and Answers

Listeners send in questions regarding lineup decisions and player statuses, which the hosts address with expert advice.

Listener Question from Stefano in Minnesota [54:32]:

"Is Char West okay? Is Lynch okay? Is Freeman okay? Why Forsett? How am I supposed to get Buck Allen and Rawls if I am last in line on the waivers? What just happened? Where am I?"

• Mike Wright: "Lynch is not okay. Char West is not okay. Forsett might be back next year. If you're last in line, you're not getting any of these players and you need to start a petition for FAB."

Listener Question from Josh in Arkansas [55:27]:

"Who do you play: Brandon LaFell or Sammy Watkins tonight?"

• Jason Moore: "I’d go with LaFell because I trust Tom Brady more, and he might get more red zone work."
• Mike Wright: "I would go with Watkins if you need the ceiling; LaFell for a safer floor."
• Andy Holloway: "I go with LaFell as he benefits from Edelman’s injury."

Monday Night Football (MNF) Preview

The hosts preview the upcoming MNF matchup, discussing key player matchups and potential fantasy implications.

• Patriots vs. Cardinals: Focus on the Patriots’ offense without Julian Edelman and Dion Lewis. Debate centers around Danny Amendola's role versus Edelman’s production.

  Andy Holloway [50:11]: "Amendola’s not going to be Edelman’s replacement... he'll have games, but not at Edelman's level."

• Fantasy Strategies: Decisions on whether to start Amendola over Edelman, considering the Patriots' shifting offensive strategies and potential snap limitations for Amendola.

  Jason Moore [51:20]: "If Amendola has a great game, you can’t just assume he will do it week after week."

Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up

The Fantasy Footballers conclude the episode by encouraging listeners to engage via their website and social media platforms. Mike shares a personal anecdote about last week's challenges, highlighting the unpredictability and emotional rollercoaster of fantasy football.

Mike Wright [57:31]: "Last week... I ended up being the second highest scoring team of the week and lost by 10 points because Willie Snead gave me zero points."

They emphasize the importance of adaptability and maintaining a strategic mindset as the fantasy playoffs approach.

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Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway [08:35]: "Joe Flacco has torn his ACL. The Ravens are out of players and they have resigned for the rest of the season."
• Mike Wright [11:28]: "Hopefully you were rostering Tevin Coleman. So if Freeman misses a week, you've got Coleman."
• Jason Moore [40:39]: "Derek Carr has just been so reliable... But he had a bad week with 13 for 169 and 0 touchdowns."

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This comprehensive review encapsulates the critical discussions from the Fantasy Footballers' Week 11 episode, providing valuable insights into player performances, injury impacts, and strategic decisions for fantasy managers as they navigate the intricate landscape of fantasy football playoffs.

Transcript

[Mike Wright]

Foreign.

[Jason Moore]

To the fantasy footballers podcast with your hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.

[Jason Moore]

Mike.

[Mike Wright]

I felt like that was just personally.

[Andy Holloway]

For me it was a little bit. It was. Welcome back to the listeners on this fine Monday morning, November 23rd crisp. It was a welcome back to the beard who has returned.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, I back. Thank you so much for the support on the tweeters.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, that's what it's called. So we had a crazy week and we still got the Monday night game, but just a lot of wild games.

[Jason Moore]

Nuts.

[Andy Holloway]

Another home run on the almost upset. Thank you very much. Go Colts. I don't actually, I didn't even actually want the Colts to win, mostly because I want to see the Jaguars somehow win the division. But you know, they got it done. And the Falcons have lost four consecutive.

[Mike Wright]

Games, including back to back weeks against the the deadly lustre of Blaine Gabbards and Matt Hasselback. That's, that's a good defense.

[Andy Holloway]

And about, I mean the offense now you got Devontae Freeman concussion. So we'll talk about everything. We will, we'll talk about everything. We'll be here for eight straight hours. Oh wait, we can cover everything in eight hours.

[Jason Moore]

That's really impressive.

[Andy Holloway]

We're going to talk through every offensive player on every roster. Okay, so now a lot of crazy games. If my voice isn't the same, it's because I was screaming at the top of my lungs all last night at the Cardinal Bengal Sunday night football game, which was just a delight, just to delight. I was telling the guys before the show where we were sitting there was a little too much orange for my taste. You know, there was a, it was where all the people apparently purchased tickets together in big batches as they came in from Ohio. And, and so it was nice when it got quiet.

[Mike Wright]

They can go back.

[Andy Holloway]

They can go back to that cold, dreary wasteland. Alrighty. Well, let's see. We got our fantasy rewind today. We got our stud muffins are pooped in their big boy pants. We got our Monday night preview. Got some mailbag going on. And if you want to get a hold of the show, you can do so on Twitter heffballers. Check out the website thefantasyfootballers.com and you can join our fantasy football community of [e-mail] and there's always good stuff there, exclusive content. We're on there talking with everybody and there's a exclusive show every week. So. All right, guys, before I Get into the quick question. Do you have anything you want to share? I mean, it's Monday morning. Mike, you've been gone for six weeks. Disneyland.

[Mike Wright]

So feels like I was gone forever. Was it like just feeling very disconnected and like I said, it was great getting the messages on Twitter, you know, come back. The best part was like, I know you're Disneyland, but who would you play?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So I apologize to anyone who sent me those because they did not get Anthony this week.

[Andy Holloway]

That's just fine. You were with your kids.

[Jason Moore]

That's probably for the best.

[Andy Holloway]

You don't want to set a precedent of Disneyland fantasy answers. That just doesn't go anywhere good. So. All right. Hey, quick question for the day. Rank these guys in terms of how comfortable you are with them as your RB one moving forward, or let's just say starting. Okay. Rank these guys. How comfortable are you starting them moving forward? The five names that I have, Jeremy Hill, who had kind of a bounce back, but I mean, two goal line carries. That's when he does it. Jeremy Hill, Chris Ivory, Jonathan Stewart, Shady McCoy, Darren McFadden.

[Mike Wright]

I would go Shady McCoy number one. I know.

[Andy Holloway]

I didn't know if you'd go Shady or a Stewart.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going with Shady McCoy as my number one. He looked last week was last two weeks.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Like, last week was the kind of the first time in a while where you've watched LaShawn McCoy and thought, hey, he actually looks healthy and can he stay healthy? I don't know. But he is. He is healthy right now. And a healthy LaShawn McCoy is an elite running back. So I'm going to go Shady. Then this. The next one is tougher. I would probably go. I'm gonna go with Darren McFadden, as crazy as that sounds.

[Andy Holloway]

Sounds pretty crazy.

[Mike Wright]

He just. His volume is so insane. And the team.

[Andy Holloway]

How is it. Is it more. I mean, he's not getting more carries than Stewart. It's just the dump offs, you're saying?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, well, just being completely involved. That offense is only going to get better as Romo gets more acclimated and gets the rust off. Then I would go Jonathan Stewart, 3, and I guess Ivory for Ivory and Hill. Yeah, Ivory's ahead of Hill for sure. Let's. I'll say that for.

[Jason Moore]

For me, it's funny because you're saying that's crazy and I get that, but I would actually have Darren McFadden as my first of this group because that offensive line and Tony Romo back, his production, his baseline is going to be very high. And his ceiling is very high. So I'm very comfortable with Darren McFadden other than injuries. But you got quite a few injury risks on this list. In fact, every single one of them, other than Jeremy Hill has had a label of, you know, an injury guy. So I would go, Darren McFadden 29.

[Andy Holloway]

Carries is pretty good.

[Mike Wright]

Pretty good off of all week was the groin.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Then I would go probably J. Stu, then McCoy, then Ivory, then Hill.

[Andy Holloway]

The one thing that's really attractive to me about Jonathan Stewart is he's got six straight games of 20 or more carries. His schedule to end the year is as good as it gets in fantasy football, but, you know, he's not as involved in the passing game. I probably have to side with you after seeing that 29 carry number with McFadden, I probably go, McFadden, McCoy and Stewart are basically tied to me. And then. Then it's. It's the question the guys that I'm not excited about starting right now and the 29 carries.

[Mike Wright]

So maybe it's not a legitimate question, but you. It's. It's been a while since watching a Cowboy game where any other running back actually touched the ball. And I felt like Turbin actually got some carries and some red zone carries. Maybe they. Clearly Robert Turbin is the backup. Is the backup, but he just. He was actually getting snaps where. When Michael was the backup. Who is in. Yes. He is long gone.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. Practice squad.

[Mike Wright]

And I was trying to figure out how I could whip up like a red practice squad jersey we were in.

[Andy Holloway]

Today would have been great. That have been great.

[Mike Wright]

But it didn't happen.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm sure he'll be cut and they'll have some extras they can send you.

[Mike Wright]

So. But Turban's actually getting carries, so that was an Interesting.

[Andy Holloway]

So McFadden owners handcuff a Turban.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Because that should happen. McFadden. I mean, you're at this point, you're leaning on McFadden. Right. Which you can do and should do for your fantasy team going into the playoffs. But you better handcuff him.

[Mike Wright]

You're dancing with the dragon.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And last. Last week we said we didn't really know if you handcuff because Turbin hadn't been on the roster. And we're like, is it going to be Rod Smith? Is it going to be Turbin? Some mixture. It probably would be a mixture, but it seems like Turban's guy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And this is a good week to get him. Even though you didn't get him Last week because there's so many huge pickups this week. People aren't rushing out to get Turbine. Unless you're the DMC owner. Weekly rewind.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's get you caught up in all the injury news. The madness.

[Mike Wright]

It was another. It was a mini bloody Sunday.

[Andy Holloway]

I was out and Mike was sending messages into Slack and I believe it ended with it's happening again. It's happening again because we saw a lot of injuries. We saw a lot of guys go down and we saw the kind of injuries in this week in fantasy that really hurt people. I mean, it hurt the players too. Right. Because they got the injury, but it hurt the fantasy player because it happened early in a lot of these. And so you had several injuries. We'll go through them. The first one I'm going to mention, though, this one did not happen early, this happened late. Joe Flacco has torn his acl. The Ravens are out of players and they have resigned the rest of the season.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Because Justin Forsted also broke both bones in his forearm and he will miss the rest of the season. And so you take Steve Smith two weeks ago going out and then Flacco and then Perryman was ruled out completely. And Talia Farrell and Talia Farrow and I mean, wow. And the season started with T sizzle.

[Mike Wright]

Dennis Pitta.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my goodness. Crockett Gilmore is now playing quarterback. Did you know it?

[Jason Moore]

For one week.

[Andy Holloway]

So. So this should. Let's spin it the right way. Unfortunately, let's be positive. Well, no, we're going to be. We're not going to be positive for the Ravens. We're going to be negative for the Ravens and we're going to say started defense against the Ravens.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Backup quarterback. Backup running back.

[Jason Moore]

Matt Schaub is now famous for those pick sixes. So those defenses, you want them to score.

[Andy Holloway]

And honestly, we were debating this before the game and this is in the Flacco, Justin for set news context, Javorius Allen, Buck Allen, you know, is he going to be the Darren McFadden of a really bad offense? Probably, yes.

[Mike Wright]

And I'm of the position that I think that it doesn't necessarily kill him that Joe Flacco is out. Kill Buck Allen?

[Andy Holloway]

Not at all.

[Mike Wright]

Because I think that while the end zone opportunities will likely be limited, I mean, Justin for set wasn't scoring touchdowns anyways. They were letting Joe Flacco sneak them in. They were doing bootlegs to fullbacks and to tight ends. But Buck Allen, with Matt Schaub as the quarterback, he was probably Looking at a healthy dose of dump offs.

[Andy Holloway]

So here's the beauty of it. We get to debut this brand new fresh Ravens team on Monday Night Football against the Browns.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, so do you pick up the Browns defense?

[Andy Holloway]

No, you don't pick up the Browns defense. That would be the. I wouldn't. I certainly wouldn't. But yeah, that's a. Compared to like the two flexes the Cardinal games the last two weeks were incredible on Sunday Night Football where it was close games the Seahawks and the.

[Mike Wright]

Bengals and tonight should be good with the. Oh yeah, with the Pats. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Rex Ryan on primetime. I'll take it.

[Mike Wright]

And then you Get Matt Shaw vs. Johnny Football Monday night prime time.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, it's always great too because when you have a matchup, like it's fun to listen to Gruden and Torico just kind of like because they actually come out and say those things now. They're like, yeah, this is a game everyone's been waiting for. Not. All right, let me tell you man, back to the news. Devonte Freeman concussion. This killed Freeman owners people relying on him for must win games. There's nothing you can do about this. It just happened. Hopefully you were rostering Tevin Coleman. So if Freeman misses a week, you've got Coleman. I don't know if he'll be back or not yet. Tammy had a concussion earlier. He missed a week for Atlanta. It's just, just going to depend on that concussion protocol.

[Mike Wright]

Yep. And the unfortunate, unfortunate side was Coleman was not, he didn't debut that well in the getting the two downs and he, he's not getting the passing down work. He's still a bit of a fumbler. So it, he's a decent option if you're the Freeman owner and you can't get anybody else. But like Andy said, hopefully we've been talking about Coleman that you need to have him if you're a Freeman owner.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. They play the Vikings this week so it's not the best matchup if Tevin Coleman does get that start. But you should, you should always have him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep. Well, this is just, I'm sharing the Marshawn lynch news in the context of breaking news because he came out this morning that he is going to see the same doctor Alan Hearn saw last week and, and the team believes he has a sports hernia, may need surgery and so that he's going to be seen by I forget the doctor's name in Maine or whatever that Hearns went to. But if he's out, if he needs to go into the Knife. This is going to be the Thomas Raw show for the rest of the season. And Thomas Rawls had kind of a good week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. I believe Sean Alexander was the last Seahawk to put up that kind of yardage.

[Andy Holloway]

200 plus. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And in between Sean Alexander Alexander and Thomas Rawls was a. Was a pretty good running back there in Marshawn Lynch. So Rawls is the reason that Robert Turbin and Kristen Michael were just dispensed with.

[Andy Holloway]

Now we know.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's really good. And Andy's smile from ear to ear as he.

[Andy Holloway]

I've got him in two of my three leagues already. I picked him up a couple weeks ago and profusely mocked the Marshawn lynch owner for the past two weeks who may or may not be my brother in law who insisted he would rather keep Tevin Coleman on his bench. Then Thomas Rawls to handcuff lynch. And now he's getting his comeuppance and I like it.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man.

[Mike Wright]

No, but he's going to get to play Coleman for one week maybe.

[Jason Moore]

And guess who he plays against. He plays against the Vikings. No, he plays against.

[Andy Holloway]

He plays me next week head to head and I'm going to play that Rawls fella.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I hope. I hope for. Just for the sake of this, this little microorganism here that I hope that Tevin Coleman is the starter so that you can have Tevin Coleman against Rawls. Yeah. And see who. See who really wins.

[Andy Holloway]

This is what makes fantasy football great. And hopefully you don't mind getting an insight into our league of record and our world here because these are the things where the first thing I did when I woke up this morning was post picture and meme after meme on our. On our fantasy wall, our like league Facebook page just to mock him because it felt so good. All right. ESPN Bears reported Jeff Dickinson Dickerson said Matt Forte appears to be on track to play Thanksgiving Day against the Packers. This is interesting. We talked last week, Jason and I did, about the fact that Forte is very open to sharing carries and they may very well. There's no real reason not to share them at this point with Forte coming off an injury and Langford playing so well. What do you do if you're an owner of these two guys?

[Mike Wright]

If, like if you have both of them or. Right, I have one.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, if you have both of them.

[Mike Wright]

If you have both of them, you still play Forte to me. And if Forte is ready to go, then I think he'll still get the, the majority of the. The timeshare and there's still the possibility with with John Fox that he goes old grumpy man and Forte gets all the carries again.

[Jason Moore]

So let's say you're the Langford owner and you don't have the best of options. Do you start Langford next week? If Forte is starting, are you willing to put him in in your flex if you're.

[Mike Wright]

If your options are very limited in the. What's interesting, in my other big league, I have this situation where I've just been depleted by all kinds of injuries. I managed to grab Langford, who's been a nice band aid for the last couple weeks, and I've been trying to negotiate with with the Matt Forte owner of Just Offering and he's out. He's basically out of the running for the playoffs and it's a keeper league and so I'm trying to dangle. I'm like, I'll give you Alan Robinson who you can keep because he cannot keep Matt Forte. I'll give you him for Matt Forte. And it's not getting done. And I'm trying to get all these offers together.

[Andy Holloway]

When is your deadline in that league?

[Mike Wright]

This week?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yeah, a lot of deadlines hitting this week. So. Or have already hit. So if you have questions, trade questions, you can go to the website, click the Submit a question button real easy. We'll answer some trade questions later in the week.

[Mike Wright]

Answer my trade question. I need to get my forte. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Answer with a yes is what you're saying. Frank Gore told reporters following the game that he'll be fine now. He went out with a knee and quad injury, went back into the game but looked like he was hobbling around. Bradshaw had some production. Jason, as a Gore owner, as a Bradshaw owner, how you feeling?

[Jason Moore]

If you're a Gore owner and a Bradshaw owner, I think you're feeling fine. If you are a go a Gore owner that does not have Bradshaw.

[Andy Holloway]

Is that you now?

[Jason Moore]

Which is now my position. You need to go out sign Ahmad Bradshaw. You know, we were saying when, when the Colts signed him, he is a great backup because last year he knows the system. When he was in in there, he was a top five fantasy back. So yeah, I mean, right now you just need to watch practice reports. I expect Gore to play to get the bulk of the carries, but whenever you've got an older fellow who is struggling with injuries as the season continues on and is getting a good workload, there's always a chance for it to become, you know, something that takes him out of the game or out of the season. So you definitely need to have Ahmad Bradshaw who I believe scored two touchdowns this week. You got to have him on your roster. A lot of, lot of handcuffs this week that we're going to be talking about on our waiver wire show and ordering them. As far as, you know, let's say you're not the owners of these guys. Who do you go out and grab? Because those are important questions. So answers.

[Mike Wright]

It was the week of the backup.

[Andy Holloway]

It was.

[Mike Wright]

I believe if you look through the top 10, it is just a ridiculous finish.

[Andy Holloway]

And we're going to see here. The last bit of news I want to share is the Char west injury. He went down with a hamstring injury. They said he's day to day but the word strain was used and that could be a multi week injury. We saw Spencer Ware come in and prove that the Chargers cannot defend a running back. I mean that's all that. That's all it told me. Anybody who says is, as Jason would say, a coming on party for Spencer Ware. Spencer Ware, Yeah. You got to come on to the Chargers. Okay. I could run for 75 and a touchdown. Did you not. How many of the shows did you listen to last night?

[Mike Wright]

I listened to a couple I saw on.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you hear Jason?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I heard. I heard commentary from the foot clan on Twitter.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, yeah, about verb things got out of hand. You know, Jason, it happens sometimes. We all do it.

[Mike Wright]

It happens to Jason, but only to Jason.

[Jason Moore]

You're welcome, foot.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Nice, nice. Let's go ahead and get into the guys that stood out this week.

[Jason Moore]

This week's fantasy stud muffins.

[Andy Holloway]

Bouncing around in our. In our dock here. Jay.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I know.

[Andy Holloway]

In our show, Doc, you're clicking around. There's words changing doing work. All right, so if anybody had any doubt that Cam Newton was an MVP candidate. He's an MVP candidate.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's very good this year.

[Andy Holloway]

And right now it's Cam Newton and it's Carson Palmer in the NFC.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, that is correct.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So Cam Newton, 21 for 246 A5 burger in terms of touchdowns and just massacred Washington.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that was delightful for me as I have had pretty much a 50 point scoring quarterback the last like four weeks and I have not yet started them. They have been the wrong choice every week on my bench. So I got to start Cam this week. That was fun.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, so Jameis Winston also had a huge week. 19 for 246 and five touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

Of course he did.

[Andy Holloway]

Of course he did. Well, hey, hey. I did say.

[Jason Moore]

I thought this was your almost.

[Andy Holloway]

I had to choose between the Colts and the Falcons or the. The Tampa Bay Bucks against Philly. And now Tampa Bay is a game out of the wild card.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

And they have a matchup with the Colts this week.

[Jason Moore]

500.

[Andy Holloway]

So really impressive game from Winston. Really, really made a difference to have Vincent Jackson back in the lineup and two touchdowns for Jackson and. And Doug Martin ran wild.

[Mike Wright]

And I will say this because I was very involved in this game. I had an Eagles defense going against him. The Eagles dropped about six interceptions and just of making. Just missing a play by a hair. Now that doesn't matter.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Mike Wright]

When it comes to the stat sheet. But I'm just pointing out for the people who are. Oh, Winston, five touchdowns, the greatest. He was just, just on the right side of what could have been a horrific week for him.

[Jason Moore]

But Mike, he was the number one drafted quarterback in the NFL. I'm pretty sure he's gonna be the best.

[Mike Wright]

Mickey Mouse followed me home?

[Andy Holloway]

No, the voice of public opinion was very popular last week.

[Jason Moore]

But Mike, I just. I think he should be the number one pick this week.

[Andy Holloway]

The number one pickup waivers.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, well, he had five touchdowns. What are you. You stupid. What is.

[Andy Holloway]

Sorry, Mike. Sorry, Mike. Things have really changed. The show's been weak. The show's changed a lot. Mostly we have coming on parties and Mickey Mouse shows up. That's really all that's going on here.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Mickey Mouse seems really rude.

[Andy Holloway]

He's a son of a gun. All right, well, I will say this. Winston plays the Colts this week. Would you stream him?

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

The answer is yes for me.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, you want to know why?

[Andy Holloway]

Here's why. You stream him this week. Jason Moore, Matt Stafford was the sixth ranked quarterback this week, he was 22 for 282, no passing touchdowns, one running touchdown. He was the sixth best quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

That's why, that's pretty crazy because you know he was two of your start of the weeks and we, I feel.

[Andy Holloway]

Terrible about that start of the week.

[Jason Moore]

And he was six watching the game. It was like, oh, he's having a bad game. But there were a lot of bad games in fantasy football this week.

[Andy Holloway]

A lot this week spun me around. That's crazy.

[Jason Moore]

But we're in the fantasy stud muffins.

[Andy Holloway]

Like a record, baby.

[Jason Moore]

Those people who were fantastic. And I'll go with my start of the week, Russell Wilson, you saw.

[Andy Holloway]

24, 263 touchdowns, nine for 30 on the ground and got it done. And Tyler Lockett was the beneficiary there. Carson Palmer last night, 20 for 317, four touchdowns. And Andy Dalton had an okay fantasy day, 22 for 315 and two touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

Which was good to see in a primetime game to see that you can trust. He was on the road against a good defense in prime time and he showed up for fantasy. So it's not, you know, if he had had a bad game. This is.

[Andy Holloway]

He was NFL wise, he was back and forth fantasy wise. He was good but he missed some throws. He checked down a lot. The Cardinals, obviously, Mike had Geo as his start of the week simply because the Cardinals can't play defense against running backs out of the backfield. I kept saying that at the game. I was like, if they just ran Geo out of the backfield and threw it to him every play. I don't know if the Cardinals could cover that. But he missed Marvin Jones on a touchdown pass. I don't know if you remember that. Yeah, really easy touchdown pass. The guy was wide open. But a good game like you said, Jay, he bounced back on the road. Decent fantasy day. I don't love him going forward. He's going to be a matchup play to me. I'm not just going to, you know, it's two straight losses that team. I'm not trusting him to have bounce back games every week. It's going to be matchup dependent and I don't like him against the Rams this week.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

So, all right, let's get into the wide receivers. Who stood out to you guys who were the stud muffins at the wide receiver position?

[Jason Moore]

Well, let me just, I'll start this off.

[Andy Holloway]

Hold on, hold on.

[Jason Moore]

DeAndre Hopkins, sir, I apologize. I know that I only had you 14 spots away. From being perfectly dead on accurate at the 15. I had you as the 15th wide receiver this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Shame on you.

[Jason Moore]

But you, you are the best. You're the best wide receiver that's ever played the game and Jerry Rice has nothing on you. Yeah, he looked, he looked pretty good.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

You knucklehead. I had to call him out. Mike, you heard this. I had to call him out on the air because I didn't want the fantasy footballers name to be dragged through the mud with your rankings of DeAndre Hopkins.

[Mike Wright]

I had to message.

[Jason Moore]

Well, he's got a bat matchup.

[Mike Wright]

I had to message on slack immediately after hearing it. I've say what is. What is going on? It's done. It's high.

[Andy Holloway]

Believe he said Jason's Hopkins hate is insanity or something like that.

[Jason Moore]

I'm still standing by the fact that was only 14 spots wrong. That's, that's what I will.

[Andy Holloway]

That is correct. All right. So Hopkins. Yeah, pretty good. Five for 118. Two touchdowns. James Jones resurfaced from the mire from the bog. He came and rose and made it honestly a really Great touchdown catch. Six for 109 and a touchdown and probably single handedly made a lot of people angry who were facing him and thought he'd do nothing. Tyler Lockett was four, 4:42 and two touchdowns. He has his games here and there. What do you think of Tyler Lockett going forward?

[Mike Wright]

Great future or great dynasty type guy. But you not seen here in his stat line is I think he had five or six targets. So he's not getting high volume week to week. You never know who it's going to be for the Seahawks if it's going to be Baldwin curse, Jimmy Graham or Jimmy Graham. I mean it's, it's, it's a roulette up there where you just, you can't depend on a fantasy guy week to week.

[Andy Holloway]

Pop quiz. How many touchdowns has Julio Jones had in the last seven weeks?

[Mike Wright]

Last seven weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

Seven weeks.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to go with. I'm going to.

[Andy Holloway]

With 022 touchdowns in seven weeks for Julio Jones and keeps getting it done. Nine for 160. Are you concerned about him at all or is. Or do you just roll him out there and know that he's gonna be the best?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. You're not concerned?

[Mike Wright]

His, his floor is ridiculous. I mean if you're getting 16 points in a standard.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you hear all the Vonte Davis one on one against Julio in this game? Dun, dun, dun. What they did, they said they're gonna Roll Vonte out. I'm like, thank you.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's, that's to me says he's not going to get, he's not going to get double coverage. Yeah, because you're going to put Vonte on him. And then Vonte had to leave the game because he got hurt. And as soon as Vontae leaves the game, I understand that Julio got 15 targets. How did he not get 25 targets?

[Andy Holloway]

They might have won had they done that.

[Mike Wright]

Just throw him the ball.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, there were on that last drive to try to tie the game, you had a blatant terrible drop by Leonard Hankerson in the middle of field.

[Jason Moore]

So he's been really good at that though.

[Andy Holloway]

Hankerson.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

To his credit. That's one of his skills.

[Jason Moore]

Very consistent with those drops, as is.

[Andy Holloway]

Always the case when my fantasy teams face him. DeSean Jackson emerged from his doldrum of a season five for 87 and a touchdown, a 56 yard bomb. He will do this and it is hard to predict when. And when he does it, you're happy and when he doesn't, you're not. However, I, I would start him, I'd flex him going forward.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. Yeah, he's a guy if you, everyone, you want a little boom in your lineup week to week, gotta get a.

[Andy Holloway]

Little boom in there.

[Mike Wright]

Always gotta have a little boom, boom. But you don't want every single player in there to be a desean Jackson type. But he's a perfect flex where if you're, you feel steady about your points and then you just need a little adrenaline shot and go with Desean Jackson.

[Andy Holloway]

Terrence Williams, 4 for 79 and a touchdown. In fact, Matt, I'll give him a shout out here. Matt, our intern. We have an intern from NYU that helps us out with some of the show and he picked Terrence Williams to be one of the better guys for the rest of the season because of the return of Tony Romo. I don't know if I saw that happening when he said it, but definitely first game back. Really good game for Terrence Williams. PrimeTime last night. J.J. nelson, 4 for 142 and a touchdown. I think a lot of people were probably saying, who's J.J. nelson? Those that weren't are probably saying, well, do I need to go sign this guy?

[Mike Wright]

No, no.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Once the health of John Brown and Michael Floyd get back, you've got J.J. nelson's, I think a good, maybe a dynasty type of player because he's in Bruce Arian's offense. But that's, that's the best case scenario, you don't need to get him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And you saw last week it was Jaron Brown, this week it was J.J. nelson, and it was also Daniel felt a little bit. All right, running backs needs very little introduction. Thomas Rawls 30 for 209 and a touchdown and just threw in 3 for 46 and a touchdown through the air and ran like a maniac. I mean, I don't know if I was happy or sad to see him colliding with people the way he was, but every time it looked like he was going to go out of bounds on the edge, he would just put his foot in the ground and then knock a person over and then keep running through the.

[Jason Moore]

Through the holes. Through the holes. When he was running through the middle of the line, he did what really good backs do, which he. He made it look a little bit easier. He made the offensive line look like they were opening up bigger holes than they were. And that. That's what you want to see. So he really impressed me a lot.

[Mike Wright]

He looks, he. He looks like Marshawn lynch with, with more explosiveness. Yeah, he's. Because he's fast.

[Andy Holloway]

He's faster than lynch, much faster.

[Mike Wright]

And he has a more burst and he's not. He doesn't have Marshawn Lynch's insane balance yet. But, man, if lynch is out, Rawls is a delightful running back right now.

[Andy Holloway]

And you have to wonder from the Seahawks perspective, like, you want lynch back. Lynch is Lynch. Right. Like he's been the base, but you don't want lynch back hurt. So like lynch half playing versus Rawls doing what he did yesterday. Yes, it was the 49ers defense, but he ran like a man possessed. So Doug Martin 27 for 235.

[Jason Moore]

He pretty much almost didn't play in the. The second half of the fourth quarter. They didn't even play him. He could have.

[Andy Holloway]

Eagles defense didn't play in the first three. So that was the irony of the situation.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Doug Martin looked very, very good. You want to talk about great schedules the rest of the way, you know, some of the best ones. You got Frank Gore, you got Jonathan Stewart, you talked about Lamar Miller. Lamar Miller, TJ Yelden, Doug Martin, Ingram. Yeah, for sure. And Doug Martin, he's another guy that comes to mind as a great rest of season guy to have.

[Andy Holloway]

This was a very nice confidence boost for those that had Martin the last couple weeks. He struggled.

[Jason Moore]

One of the things you don't realize is he's. I think he's top five in the league and Carries on the year he is actually getting. You see him as like a. If he only got more work but he's getting a ton of work. I'm going to effort the exact number there.

[Andy Holloway]

And then Spencer Ware was 11 for 96 two touchdowns in place of Chuck Hendrick west who went out with the.

[Mike Wright]

Hammy injury in about 22 snaps or so. Yeah, I mean it's just not sustainable.

[Andy Holloway]

That game was over. They just gave up and so moving.

[Mike Wright]

Forward I guess this is a little spoiler for the waiver show.

[Andy Holloway]

That's fine but people are.

[Mike Wright]

Spencer, where do I need to pick him up? Yes. However Nile Davis was inactive in I experienced.

[Andy Holloway]

He won't be inactive and he will.

[Mike Wright]

Not be inactive and he'll. And Davis will get some snaps too. So it's not just going to be Ware takes over the way that Charizard has.

[Andy Holloway]

Very, very good point. Jonathan Stewart was 21 for 102 and he had one for 12 and a touchdown through the air which means he scored I believe five or six times in the last seven games.

[Mike Wright]

That's fantastic.

[Andy Holloway]

So very good for Stewart owners and he just has that. I, I don't know. I don't want to go out on a limb too far here. I don't think I am. I think Carolina might go undefeated. I mean they're really. They're 10 and oh and their schedule is just the worst. Not the worst.

[Jason Moore]

No, I'm saying. I mean the worst opponents just bad matchup.

[Andy Holloway]

Mark these. Yeah, you're Once again thank you with the language they played Dallas. Okay. Dallas on Thanksgiving.

[Mike Wright]

That's a tough matchup.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, it is a tough matchup. In fact I saw a lineup ridiculous The Dallas is 3 and 7. They're 10 and oh and I saw a line where they were. The Cowboys are favored by a point and a half.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm not, I'm not saying that the Cowboys are going ridiculous but it's.

[Andy Holloway]

A tougher match at New Orleans division game Atlanta Giants. Yeah, Atlanta again and then Tampa.

[Jason Moore]

I like, I like that for New Orleans you've got a division game like that's a tough but for Atlanta, for Atlanta who's also in the division. I think you just needed to flip.

[Andy Holloway]

Those around so maybe they don't go undefeated but I think that they are in the driver's seat for home field certainly at 10 and oh and just playing the recipe of this game for all their games seems to be just get on top and stay there and stay there and just keep John Stewart.

[Jason Moore]

Jonathan Stewart is second in the league, including this week with attempts behind Adrian Peterson, third in the league is Doug Martin. So Doug Martin is getting the ball and running well with it.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Bradshaw had a good game when Gore went out, he was 9 for 36 and 4 for 20 and two touchdowns. Through the air, Darren McFadden, like we said, 29 for 129 and the next one. And of course, I wrote. I threw that in there. I put the. Of course. Eddie.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, I've got a story about Fat Eddie. Here. I was. I was watching football with a friend of mine who does not watch football. Doesn't. Doesn't really know football that much at all. He was very happy that on a commercial, he knew who Peyton Manning was. So that's his level of football. We're watching the Green Bay game, and Eddie Lacy gets a pass and rumbles a little bit, and he goes, that guy's really big. And I was like, that. That shows it. That shows it. You don't know football. You.

[Andy Holloway]

You.

[Jason Moore]

You don't know an offensive lineman from a running back, but you see Fat Eddie and you just go. You have no frame of reference, and you go, oh, that guy's, like, really big. And he meant. He meant that as in, like, overweight, because we were talking and he's like. He just looks really unhealthy. It's like, man, that's. That's Eddie.

[Andy Holloway]

I hope, that being said, 22 for 100.

[Jason Moore]

He looks great.

[Andy Holloway]

This is what Stark's owners were afraid of. This is what we warned of about a little bit in the week. Still said start Starks because he's the starter. Not anymore, but now, who knows? And how can you feel confident about. It's Eddie Lacey rolling Eddie Lacey out, though. Are you kidding me? I mean, the fact you said it that way, I don't even buy that.

[Mike Wright]

What?

[Andy Holloway]

It's Eddie Lacy.

[Jason Moore]

It is.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, it's Eddie Lacey.

[Andy Holloway]

It's been Eddie Lacy for, like.

[Mike Wright]

But Eddie Lacy is the starter again. He will be the starter next week.

[Andy Holloway]

I wouldn't start him.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not. I'm not saying whether or not to start him. I'm saying Green Bay will start Eddie Lacey. Eddie Lacey will be the majority carry.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, he's got a Thanksgiving game against the Bears, and I think Eddie Lacey's gonna eat.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my goodness. He eats on Thanksgiving. You know, not to over disparage the man for being larger, there have been great running backs. Jerome Bettis was a Hall of Fame, you know, franchise running back at that size. And Lacy has been that for years. I mean, he just. Something. Maybe it got a little too carried away this year. It seemed like he's a little more.

[Mike Wright]

Just the level of cardiovascular health combined with his ankle was a bad recipe.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly. Yeah. You got a lot of weight on the ankle.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Is what you're saying. All right. Ronnie Hillman, 21 for 102. He was the guy.

[Mike Wright]

And what's interesting about this is just kind of thinking through things as the week was going along, though. You knew it was going to be Brock Osweiler at the quarterback position. You felt like, or at least I did. The running game is going to get better because Kubiak has a great running system. We've seen it historically, year after year after year for Gary Kubiak. But Peyton Manning cannot run it because he's. He's so beat up and his legs are not there anymore. I thought, well, with Brock Oswald being able to run an actual stretch play and do other things, that the Denver running game may get back on track. And boom. Ronnie Hillman, 20 carries.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, 21. 21 carries. Gio Bernard and Jeremy Hill both had good fantasy games against the Cardinals last night, which was unexpected. Hill had the two touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

Well, Gio Bernard was not unexpected.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. I would say with the matchup, some people were tempering. Not you, obviously, because you had him as your start of the week.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, so in Geo and Hill, going forward, you're starting Geo.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Tight ends that had big games. Kyle Rudolph came from nowhere. Thanks. Kyle Rudolph, 6 for 106 and a touchdown. Vance McDonald was 4 for 100 in a touchdown and made people who were like, do I take a chance on Garrett Selleck? Go, oh, man. And then Greg Olson, 3 for 54 and a touchdown. Delaney Walker, my start of the week, eight for 109 and no touchdowns. And Tyler Ifert was. He was a touchdown guy.

[Jason Moore]

Just a red zone.

[Andy Holloway]

Tyler. Touchdown should be his name. Anybody stand out there? You need. Do you need to go sign Kyle Rudolph or Vince McDonald? Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Nope.

[Jason Moore]

But. It's the. But, but. Mike, it's the Christmas season. Don't you think Rudolph's gonna lead the way?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, that is a very valid point. If it is a foggy night, then you need to put Stupid as the.

[Andy Holloway]

Voice of public opinion. All right, let's get into the. The not so Goods.

[Jason Moore]

Hooped in his big boy pants.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, the big guy here is Philip Rivers. I. You know, we couldn't talk enough about the Kansas City defense last week, and they came out and just decimated San Diego. San Diego's feeling the impact of a couple things. One, there was a bit of a rift between Rivers and Gates in this game, and then Gates didn't perform at all. But you're missing Keenan Allen, you're missing Malcolm Floyd, you have no running game.

[Mike Wright]

In Melvin Gordon and your offensive line is a disaster.

[Andy Holloway]

A disaster. And Kansas City is playing as good as any defense right now. And you mix that all together and it didn't matter who was home or away, it was a massacre. So Rivers killed people this week?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think that was one that, for all the reasons you just described that you could see, I mean, he was almost my set of the week. We talked about him being a trap play this last week. So hopefully, hopefully he wasn't in your lineup. The guy that I think hurt, I mean, Philip Rivers, I said last week was going to hurt people because I think they would still play him. But the guy that hurt people, that maybe you know, weren't off of Philip, was Derek Carr. Derek Carr has just been so reliable. Good matchups, bad matchups. I think we had him around the sixth quarterback coming into the week and he. 13, 13 for 169 and 0. But I mean 13 passes like so.

[Andy Holloway]

Now you have two consecutive weeks where the Lions defense has shut down Green Bay in Green bay, gave up 16 points. Oakland, who was, I believe like in the top seven in terms of like scoring points against defenses. So they were like somebody you didn't want to start a defense against. And Detroit comes out and does it again.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, well, you fire your offensive coordinator and your defense comes, becomes way better.

[Andy Holloway]

And they have, they have two more home games coming up. They have Philly next week. Would you start them?

[Mike Wright]

The Lions?

[Andy Holloway]

The Lions defense against Philly?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Why not at home against Sanchez?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, so. All right. Running backs that really didn't perform. Who stands out to you?

[Mike Wright]

To me, it's Danny Woodhead, the combination with Philip Rivers. And honestly, to me, it. This, it wasn't Danny Woodhead's fault. To me, I have no idea what the game plan was for San Diego. Well, I know what it was. It was they really, really want Melvin Gordon to perform. He hasn't done it for 10 weeks. Do you want to win the football game or not? Put Woodhead in and just. And go with those dump off passes. That's what really works for you.

[Andy Holloway]

Is it possible the answer was no.

[Jason Moore]

I was going to say, but what's, I mean, do you really want to win these games if you're, I mean, you're Playing for the. You have a legitimate chance of getting that number one pick. If you're.

[Mike Wright]

You have a legitimate chance of getting fired.

[Andy Holloway]

That's. Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So you. Mike McCoy wants to win. I just. I don't understand there. There has to be this point where you say, okay, enough is enough. Melvin Gordon, you're not getting it done. Danny Woodhead has been a terrific asset to our passing game and they gave him or he caught one ball one.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. We expected him to maybe be the one guy that could have success on the offense because of the pass rush. How do you defeat a great downfield pass rush? Screen passes? Just ask Gio Bernard.

[Jason Moore]

Last night you've got another guy to me. We talked about, you know, the stud muffin of Eddie Lacy. Well, of course that's going to come hand in hand with a pooped in your big boy pants for James Starks. Andy, I believe last week you kind of said Starks is not a guy that you want to play and roll with this week. You know, after what we saw him do, he got all the opportunity in the world the week before and didn't perform well. And that was without Eddie Lacy. Eddie Lacy being in. But there's a lot of people who had both and that they clearly were going to start Starks. So he definitely helped ruin some fantasy teams out there.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, wide receivers that didn't perform this week. There were several. You know, Amari Cooper had a disastrous week.

[Jason Moore]

Hopefully you listened to the Friday show. He was originally my start of the week. I shifted off when the news that Slay was going to come and cover him. And that's a big part of the Lions defense. Crabtree did all right. He definitely was. Was the one that I think he had like 6 for 60 or something like that. Definitely not what phenomenal.

[Mike Wright]

But what happens when Darius Slay covers Kyle Rudolph?

[Jason Moore]

I like it.

[Andy Holloway]

I think Santa comes pretty funny and nobody watches is what happens. All right. Jordan Matthews played all 71 snaps, every snap in the entire game and came out with a beautiful line of four for 13.

[Mike Wright]

That was a crazy one to me. I really thought Jordan Matthews would perform at least as a high level 3, low level wide receiver too, with Sanchez.

[Andy Holloway]

We talked about him last week and I. Jason's like, where do you play him? And I'm like, you know, you know, I'd flex him, I'd flex him. And I go, I don't want to play him at all. I just don't want to play Jordan Matthews. I see in my vision what everyone sees that could be Right. Like he should be good. He's out there. Chip Kelly, blah, blah, blah. Now they've lost a million games. You know, I don't know what Chip Kelly's future is. It's not looking good.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, he's, he'll be fine.

[Andy Holloway]

It hasn't been.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I'm saying as employment. He'll be fine.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me ask you this. How many do either of you think Dallas can win that division?

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

But that's because the division leader is the Giants at 5 and 5.

[Andy Holloway]

I know.

[Mike Wright]

So the Eagles could win the division as well.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So it's just unbelievable. Andre Johnson won for 13. I don't think that's really a pooped in your big boy pants.

[Mike Wright]

Well, it was.

[Andy Holloway]

He hasn't had big boy pants in a year. But he had done well with Hasselback.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Jeremy Macklin. Jeremy Macklin had a pretty bad game. 3 for 29.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to lose my season long bet.

[Jason Moore]

That is several poor games in a row. And at this point I don't know how much you can trust.

[Andy Holloway]

You can't, you can't. You cannot. I have to admit that. All right, tight ends, we've got another apology for you.

[Mike Wright]

Eric Ebron. You had the best matchup that they could give you and you had a perfect laser beam from, from Matty snapback directly into your hands in the end zone and you dropped it. So I apologize for nothing because Eric.

[Andy Holloway]

Ebron is a bum and he had.

[Mike Wright]

He had a touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to say this. Yeah, he had a touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

The process was correct.

[Andy Holloway]

It's hard. It's hard because I don't think there's been a pick this season. This is, this is week 10. There's not been a pick. I've gotten more tweets about than Ibram for some reason. Like people are really struggling with the tight end who to put out there. You had some guys on bye this week, right? Like Barnage was on by. Heath Miller was on bye. You know, the Giants tight end Ben Watson was on by. So people were really struggling on a pick here. And Ebron, all the, all the math behind it. Right. Which sadly, you know, it doesn't. You don't play the game on paper. The paper said Oakland would struggle. Ebron had a shot. But hey Gooser, take our lumps. Unfortunate. Very disappointing. Part of a tough week. And with him, Antonio Gates had one catch for six yards.

[Mike Wright]

That was really good.

[Jason Moore]

Your sit of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he was Jason Whitten 2 for 27 years. Oh no, no he was not my start of the week. Although I. In the beginning of the week, when I was looking at guys, Delaney Walker, Jason Whitten, Eric Ebron. Whitten was up there. I was going, okay, maybe they build a rapport. But I just didn't like first game of Romo back. And then Jimmy Graham, 3 for 39, did very little. Is that at me? No, that's just a Jimmy Graham.

[Mike Wright]

Jimmy Graham.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

One of the nice things for Eric Ebron owners, which, I mean, that just stinks. That's former.

[Andy Holloway]

They're called former Eric Ebron.

[Jason Moore]

Eric Ebron owners.

[Mike Wright]

You know, if you can cut guys.

[Jason Moore]

On Monday, it pains us when we. When we get something wrong like that. On the bright side, this week for the tight end position.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my gosh. I thought you were going to talk Eric Ebron up again.

[Jason Moore]

No, I'm just saying you had so many guys stink, and of all your top 12 tight ends, you're saying you.

[Andy Holloway]

Probably didn't get beat by much.

[Jason Moore]

Right. I mean, you had Vance McDonald and Cameron Brait and guys like that who. Exactly. Who were the guys who were your top scorers? So hopefully you didn't, you know, match up against Kyle Rudolph or something.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you probably didn't. Yeah, because he's been terrible. So I do want to take a couple minutes. Let's preview the Monday night game real fast. Is there anything that you want to talk about regarding the fantasy players involved here? I mean, is this a game where McCoy, you know, the reports have come out that New England's going to focus on them. They're running defense is very good. They're going to focus on McCoy, make Taylor win, beat them. But do you still expect McCoy to have a big game?

[Mike Wright]

I still think he'll be a very, very solid play. I mean, we had this last week of the jets in prime time against Shady McCoy, and he rattled off a huge game. So I'm not concerned about McCoy. I was a little bummed I couldn't be here for the Amendola talks.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, yeah, that would have been nice because we had a bit of a.

[Mike Wright]

Debate because I am on team Amidola.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. And I am non team. He's not going to be as good as Edelman. I'll be on team Edelman is my name.

[Mike Wright]

Well, the Edelman is going to get zero points this week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you're going to lose that.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I don't have a. I don't have somebody facing off against Amendola. I just don't like him as much as you do. That's it. And it makes me seem like I don't like Amendola, which I do. I just know that he won. A report came out this week. They're going to limit his snaps to keep him healthy. He's not Edelman. His name's Danny Amendola.

[Mike Wright]

And I'm actually not concerned at all about that report. The report doesn't make sense to me because Amendola's injuries are just a one snap type of a situation and you can't predict when he's gonna get hurt.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, you can overwork a guy and they get hurt. That's what happens.

[Jason Moore]

But the reason I think that report was a little bit irrelevant was because they were gonna limit him to what they already had, limited him when Dion Lewis went out for those games. And he had great games in the same exact snap.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, he had okay games.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He did not have Julian Edelman production and he will not.

[Jason Moore]

Well, he beat Julian Edelman.

[Andy Holloway]

There's got to be a bet here. There has to be a bet here because I just insist upon the fact that he's not going to be Edelman replacement. And if you. Depending on what you paid for him and where you. What you expect from him, that's he'll have games. He'll have great games.

[Jason Moore]

This debate conversation is what we're. What everybody's going to be watching for tonight is one of those, like, what are the Patriots going to do with their offense minus these two key players? Does James White get involved? Does Amendola step into the role?

[Andy Holloway]

Dobson's gonna be more involved than he was Keisha Martin.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So you've got Keyshawn Martin is the.

[Mike Wright]

Wild card for me. I think Dobson stinks.

[Andy Holloway]

I just know the game plans change. I don't want. Hey, our listeners should not go into tonight's game and say, ah, Amendola caught five passes. Andy's an idiot. I think Amendola is great. I spent money on Fab on him and every league I'm in. He's just not as good as Edelman. And people who think he's gonna come set the world on fire, I think are going to be very disappointed.

[Jason Moore]

Well, and the problem that I have is that if Amendola comes out tonight and scores 20 fantasy points and has a wonderful game, I don't know that you can just go, okay, he's going to do this week in, week out.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe because of the Patriots. Maybe you can. But you're right. I know what you're saying. You're making the point for me where one game, you have one battle plan. And it involves 29 carries by Legara Blunt. And the next week, you've got three carries by Legara Blunt. And Brandon Bolden's catching like five passes in the slot for no reason.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So maybe it's just that trepidation.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I like him.

[Andy Holloway]

I would love him to succeed. I've got Brady. I'd like Brady to succeed. So. Something we've been sorrowfully lacking in. You better bring your game. Let's do it. Let's do it.

[Jason Moore]

Mailbag. Perfect.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you. How many of those did you hear last week?

[Mike Wright]

Two of them.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

My favorite was when he forgot to do it.

[Andy Holloway]

He did not completely forget. He did remember.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I just had to play catch up.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. If you got a question for the show, you want to send one in to us? This is the time of season where these decisions, they get big. They get big. The playoffs are coming. You're fighting for a spot. You can go to the website, the fantasy footballers.com, click the submit a question button. Another great way to get your questions answered, not just by us, but by other listeners is to go to jointhefoot.com and check out the wall. There you can post your question. People will answer, as will we when we. When we hop in there and Teej in LA wants to know, he says, what's up, T?

[Jason Moore]

I love this question.

[Andy Holloway]

He said, so I sat Jeremy Hill and I apologize.

[Jason Moore]

He was my set of the week. Those two. Those two stupid touchdowns on the goal line.

[Andy Holloway]

So I sat Jeremy. Well, everybody sat Jeremy Hill. So I sat Jeremy Hill. I knew the instant he plopped his tush on the bench he'd spite me. I could have flexed him. Now I'm down by eight points. Who do you think can get it for me? Is it Keyshawn Martin, Robert Woods, Charles Clay or Scott Chandler? For me, this is standard. This is Charles Clay before it is anybody else. And then it is probably Woods, Chandler, Martin.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm going to go with Clay.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Clay is the best choice here. If he's taken, which obviously I would assume he's not. I think I like Chandler more than woods because if you're going for eight points, you pretty much. You need that touchdown. Chandler could be used, but I would do Clay above anyone else here.

[Andy Holloway]

We didn't talk about him earlier. What do you guys expect from Sammy Watkins tonight?

[Jason Moore]

Who.

[Mike Wright]

I think he can have an okay game tonight. It's. It's interesting. What? Because we were talking about what the. LaShawn McCoy, where Bill Belichick is a master of this is what you do the best. So you're not going to be able to do it. So will Sammy Watkins be able to step up? Because we know the focus is going to be on the run, on the running defense. So can Watkins step up and have a decent game? And I believe the answer is yes.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, I got a question here from Stefano in Minnesota. And it's going to be rapid fire. This is a tough one. Is Char west okay? Is lynch okay? Is Freeman okay? Why? For set? Why? How am I supposed to get Buck Allen and Rawls if I am last in line on the waivers? What just happened? Where am I? Can you answer all of those?

[Mike Wright]

I can't. I can answer them all.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Lynch is not okay. Char west is not okay. For set. For set might be back next year.

[Andy Holloway]

So he is not okay.

[Jason Moore]

If.

[Mike Wright]

If you are in last in line of priority, you are not getting any of these players and you need to start a petition for fab because fab is the way to go.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. That is a crazy injury world we've lived in this year, to be honest. I mean, it feels like something we haven't seen. We're the top 10 guys, you know, even. I mean, Char west very arguably could have been best rest of season. Oh, running back. I mean, you probably still got to start Gurley and Peterson ahead of him, but schedule wise, how he's been performing and how this game started, I mean, he had 48 yards of receiving yards in two seconds. So Josh in Arkansas wants to know who to start, Brandon LaFell or Sammy Watkins tonight.

[Jason Moore]

That's a very fair question. I expect both these guys to be near each other, but I'm going to go with lefell just because I trust Tom Brady more. And with those weapons down, lefell might get a little bit more red zone work.

[Mike Wright]

I would go. I think LaFell has a safer floor of if you just need a few points here. But Watkins has the ceiling. So if you need huge points, you got to go with Watkins.

[Andy Holloway]

For me, I think LaFell benefits from the Edelman injury in terms of a couple extra targets. He was my start of the week, so I have to go with Lafell. So. All right, that is it for today. That is it for today's show. We got a waiver wire show tomorrow. Hope you enjoy the Monday night Football game. Be sure to check out the website the fantasy footballers.com visit our Twitter page at the ffballers. If you want to follow us individually, each of us here, you can follow jasonasonffl. You can follow Mike at ffhitman. Happy to have you back, by the way.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome back.

[Mike Wright]

It's good to be back, America.

[Andy Holloway]

And you can follow me at Andy Holloway if you want to see me. Talk about Marcus Wilson. That's pretty much all I do on it. I did bring him up Sunday morning. I said, hey, roll him out.

[Mike Wright]

Once Jeffrey was out there, I didn't blame you.

[Andy Holloway]

Marcus Wilson only succeeds if Jeffrey and Royal are out together. But then he had a good game. So what else is going on here? You can check us out on YouTube. We are on the fantasy sports network, which by the way, the fantasy sports network is now hitting Apple tv.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

If you didn't know that. So if you wanted to watch us on your Apple tv, we're on the fantasy sports network. And yeah. Yeah, it's gonna be good week.

[Mike Wright]

And so I need, I need some fantasy juju tonight.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah. Tell them what's going on so people can follow along with it.

[Mike Wright]

I have an interesting situation here and I really think that the fantasy karma is going to bounce back.

[Andy Holloway]

It is funny. It is very funny.

[Mike Wright]

Last week on my drive to Disneyland, I was in a tough matchup. I ended up being the second highest scoring team of the, of the week and I lost by 10 points because Willie Snead gave me zero points.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you weren't happy in what was.

[Mike Wright]

One of the top over unders of the week, which is why I went with Snead and I had Fitzgerald was on my bench with enough points to have who I could have withstood a victory. Yeah, Larry Fitzgerald. Fast forward to this week. I am the lowest scoring team of the week playing against the second lowest scoring team of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

You had four sat, Philip Rivers, the.

[Mike Wright]

Eagles defense, I mean, everything that could go wrong went wrong for my team.

[Jason Moore]

You're still going to win.

[Mike Wright]

I still have a chance to win and I, because I have Lafell amendola and Shady McCoy tonight. So I just, I need the fantasy juju to redeem what was stolen from me last week.

[Andy Holloway]

It would just balance out, wouldn't it?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

You get a wood, you get a 70 point win and you lost with 140. And then those are the tough, those are the toughest things in fantasy. It really is. So we'll see what happens tonight. It'll be fun to see what that New England offense can do without Edelman and Lewis. Can they stay? You know, big wrecks, big wrecks on Monday night.

[Mike Wright]

We just need like three Amendola touchdowns, that's all.

[Andy Holloway]

No big deal.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

Goodbye, everybody.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you for listening to another edition of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Don't forget to visit us on the web at www.thefantasyfootballers.com and follow us on Twitter @the ffballers.