Fantasy Football Podcast 2015 - Week 13 Review, Studs and Duds, MNF Preview, Fantasy News

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast – Episode Summary: Week 13 Review, Studs and Duds, MNF Preview, Fantasy News

Release Date: December 7, 2015

The Fantasy Footballers, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright, delve deep into the intricacies of Week 13 of the 2015 NFL season. This episode offers a comprehensive analysis of standout performances, disappointing outings, injury impacts, and strategic advice for fantasy football playoffs. Below is a detailed summary capturing the essence of their discussions.

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1. Week 13 Overview: Studs and Duds

The hosts kick off by reviewing the key performances of Week 13, categorizing players into "Stud Muffins" (top performers) and those who "Pooped in Their Big Boy Pants" (underperformers).

Notable Highlights:

• Russell Wilson (Seattle Seahawks): Demonstrated a remarkable fantasy performance with a solid passing game complemented by his rushing ability.

  • Jason Moore (02:34): "I learned a very valuable lesson... Never sit Russell Wilson."
  • Andy Holloway (16:11): "He looked like he was toying with the defense... now has the Ravens next week."

• Cam Newton (Carolina Panthers): Continues to be a powerhouse, consistently delivering high fantasy points.

  • Jason Moore (17:21): "Cameron Newton? He's a beast. You start him every week."

• Matt Mariota (Tennessee Titans): Exhibited explosive ground game performance, including an 87-yard run.

  • Jason Moore (17:26): "Marcus Mariota had a monster game on the ground... What is the potential for Mr. Mariota?"

• Brandon Marshall (New York Jets): Achieved a 12-catch, highly efficient game, reinforcing his value despite some inconsistencies.

  • Mike Wright (22:57): "Brandon Marshall now has, I believe 1,000 yards receiving for four different franchises."

• Allen Robinson (Chicago Bears): Ranked as the #4 wide receiver in standard scoring, showcasing consistent high performance.

  • Mike Wright (22:15): "Allen Robinson... No, he's not a superstar, but he should be... very firmly in the wide receiver 2, 3 category."

Disappointments:

• DeMarco Murray (Philadelphia Eagles): Struggled with only 8 carries for 24 yards, raising concerns for fantasy owners.

  • Mike Wright (08:24): "DeMarco Murray hasn't looked good for several weeks in a row."

• Eddie Lacy (Green Bay Packers): Continued underperformance with critical fumbles impacting his reliability.

  • Jason Moore (41:37): "Eddie Lacy pooped his big boy pants in the greatest fashion."

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2. Injury Updates and Their Fantasy Implications

Injuries play a pivotal role in fantasy football, and the hosts provide insightful updates:

• CJ Anderson (Denver Broncos): Left the game with an ankle injury, posing challenges for his fantasy viability.

  • Jason Moore (09:52): "C.J. Anderson... ankle injury left the game. He says it's not a big deal."

• Vance McDonald (San Francisco 49ers): Suffered a concussion, leading to limited playing time and caution among fantasy managers.

  • Andy Holloway (02:58): "Jason, I started Vance McDonald too, and I didn't know he was gonna get concussed."

• Blake Bell (Cleveland Browns): Remains the only viable tight end after several injuries, making him a potential waiver wire pickup.

  • Jason Moore (12:10): "Blake Bell as the only viable tight end on that team."

• Andre Ellington (Cincinnati Bengals): Expected to miss the upcoming week, increasing the workload on David Johnson.

  • Mike Wright (30:26): "Andre Ellington is really the only other guy to worry about coming back hurt."

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3. Playoffs Preview and Strategic Advice

As the fantasy playoffs loom, the hosts discuss key matchups and strategies to maximize success:

• Russell Wilson vs. Baltimore Ravens: A favorable matchup that could bolster his fantasy performance.

  • Jason Moore (16:14): "Russell Wilson is always had the baseline of running, but now he's passing the ball mostly to Doug Baldwin."

• Cam Newton vs. NFC Opponents: Continues to be a reliable start every week, with his team’s offensive prowess.

  • Andy Holloway (17:21): "He is a beast. You start him every week."

• Matt Mariota vs. New York Jets: While Mariota showed potential, concerns remain about his consistency against formidable defenses.

  • Jason Moore (17:21): "So Tyler Lockett was involved in a lot of third down plays... maybe relevance next year."

• Ryan Fitzpatrick vs. Titans: Emerging as a solid option with continued high-powered passing attacks.

  • Mike Wright (19:22): "I would think that's fine."

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4. Player Spotlights: Stud Muffins

Top Performers Identified:

• Jeremy Hill (Cincinnati Bengals):

  • Mike Wright (30:26): "Jeremy Hill, eight carries for 98 and a touchdown."

• Doug Baldwin (Seattle Seahawks): Maintains efficiency with multiple touchdown games.

  • Andy Holloway (24:57): "Five for 94 and two touchdowns. ... highly efficient."

• David Johnson (Arizona Cardinals): Despite occasional fumbles, his high usage makes him a solid pick.

  • Mike Wright (30:26): "22 carries and establishing himself as a leading running back."

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5. Stud Muffins vs. Squashers: Wide Receivers

Standout Wide Receivers:

• Allen Robinson (Chicago Bears): Consistently high performance, making him a top-tier fantasy option.

  • Mike Wright (22:05): "Number four wide receiver in the National Football League."

• Brandon Marshall (New York Jets): Efficient and productive, deserving of increased attention.

  • Jason Moore (18:45): "Brandon Marshall and Ryan Fitzpatrick are a combo."

Underperforming Wide Receivers:

• Stevie Johnson (Miami Dolphins): No targets and a groin injury limit his fantasy value.

  • Jason Moore (32:32): "Stevie Johnson had no targets and then went out with a groin injury."

• DeSean Jackson (Philadelphia Eagles): Struggles with consistency and drops affecting his reliability.

  • Jason Moore (33:02): "Danny Woodhead pooped in his big boy pants. Three total carries for 10 yards."

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6. Tight Ends and Running Backs Analysis

Tight Ends:

• Richard Rodgers (Green Bay Packers): Recommended as a top waiver wire pickup due to consistent targets.

  • Mike Wright (37:04): "If you need a tight end, look at Richard Rodgers."

• Scott Chandler (Cleveland Browns): Reliable option when paired with Rob Gronkowski.

  • Jason Moore (37:40): "Scott Chandler, I think is fine with Gronkowski."

Running Backs:

• David Johnson (Arizona Cardinals): Despite a fumble, his volume makes him a key playoff asset.

  • Andy Holloway (31:48): "Fumbled again, got bailed out because the Rams recovered it."

• Matt Forte (Chicago Bears): Solid performance making him a favorable playoff start.

  • Jason Moore (32:20): "We like Matt Forte in the playoffs."

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7. Mailbag: Listener Questions and Advice

Listener interactions provide personalized advice and insights:

• Question from Warren in LA: Ranking Jonathan Stewart, LaShawn McCoy, and Darren McFadden for the rest of the season.

  • Mike Wright (54:18): "I go McCoy, Stewart, McFadden."
  • Jason Moore (54:22): "I agree with you. ... Going McCoy, then Stewart, then McFadden."

• Question from Marcus in Cherry Hill: Should Blake Bortles be started in Week 14 against the Colts?

  • Andy Holloway (55:11): "As of now, for me it would be Blake Bortles."
  • Mike Wright (55:21): "I think I would lean Blake Bortles as well."

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8. Monday Night Football Preview

The hosts preview the upcoming MNF game, analyzing the Dallas Cowboys' matchup against the Washington Redskins:

• Dallas Cowboys vs. Washington Redskins:
  • Jason Moore (50:04): "They could definitely win it... someone’s getting in under .500."
  • Mike Wright (52:06): "This is going to be 50 to 59 points and it’s just going to be nuts."

Key Points:

• Des Bryant vs. DeSean Jackson: Debate on which player to start based on performance and reliability.

  • Jason Moore (53:08): "Des Bryant or DeSean Jackson tonight? Des Bryant."

• Alfred Morris vs. Matt Jones: Consideration for starting in standard leagues.

  • Jason Moore (54:17): "What order would you rank Jonathan Stewart, LaShawn McCoy and Darren McFadden..."

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9. Concluding Thoughts and Final Advice

As the fantasy playoffs approach, the Fantasy Footballers emphasize strategic starts, waiver wire pickups, and leveraging top performers to secure victory:

• Russell Wilson remains a strong start option.
• Cam Newton continues his dominance.
• Brandon Marshall and Allen Robinson are essential for wide receiver depth.
• Tight end pickups like Richard Rodgers can provide critical edge.

Closing Remarks:

• The hosts encourage listeners to engage via social media and the podcast’s website for personalized advice.
• They highlight the importance of staying updated with player statuses and making informed decisions leading into the fantasy playoffs.

“Thanks to the Fantasy Footballers that made it to the fantasy playoffs. Let us know how you're doing.” – Jason Moore (57:23)

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This episode serves as an invaluable resource for fantasy football enthusiasts aiming to fine-tune their playoff strategies, offering expert insights and actionable advice to navigate the final stretch of the NFL season successfully.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the show.

[Andy Holloway]

Back at it.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome, welcome. It is Monday, playoffs. Yeah. Monday, December 7th. Jason has a bounce to a step that has not been seen, literally has not been seen in nine years in one specific league. Welcome to the show. We are reviewing week 13. We got the Monday night game tonight. Gonna talk about all the fantasy stud muffins and the guys that pooped in the big boy pants and there was plenty of both. I feel like we, we certainly hit on a lot of things this week. We missed on some things. We'll talk about both of those when we get to our quick question here. But before we do, I want to thank everybody for joining us today on the Fantasy Footballers podcast. I'm Andy Holloway. This is to my left here is Jason Moore who's like I said, a little bit excited about his bye week. And we've got Mike the fantasy hitman who is here and my first round playoff opponent in our league of record.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, that is true. I was so close.

[Jason Moore]

So you're going to get one of.

[Andy Holloway]

Us, but it didn't happen.

[Mike Wright]

I'll be waiting for the winner.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And Mike or I, you know, we can't help it. This is why I think the show is good, is because we really, really like fantasy football. And so next Monday it's very likely that one of us will be not here in a very bad mood because you know, it's not just going to be losing, it's going to be losing to the other person and it's going to be live on the air for the week.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. What is amazing is that the three.

[Jason Moore]

Of us in our built in water bet too, right? I mean head to head matchups are always a water bet.

[Mike Wright]

So what is amazing is that the three of us actually got got the seating to where we are one side of the bracket in our league of record. So it's a guarantee that one of us will be in the championship game and a guarantee the two of us will not.

[Jason Moore]

That's true, that's true. As long as it's not Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Agreed.

[Jason Moore]

You can follow the show on Twitter at the Ffballers. That's where you can let me give you a little idea of what you can do on Twitter. You can say, hey, thanks for that sweet start or you can say, Gee, Andy, Vance McDonald, thanks a lot. Well, you know, sir, I started Vance McDonald too, and I didn't know he was gonna get concussed.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, I saw that coming on.

[Jason Moore]

His third target of the game, by the way, in the first quarter or whatever it was. So who knows what Vance McDonald would have done. The 49ers won the game.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Gabbard threw some balls, looked good.

[Jason Moore]

I was just as unhappy is my point. All right, next time, work on my concussion prediction protocol strategy.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

Alright, you can check us out on the web. Thefantasyfootballers.com don't forget we're on YouTube. You can subscribe to the show. We break the show up into segments on YouTube. We put the full shows on YouTube. You can see how depressed we are next week on YouTube. And we also post our water bets on YouTube when we, we make bets with one another during the week.

[Mike Wright]

And Facebook.

[Jason Moore]

And Facebook. Yeah, Facebook.com the fantasy footballers. And we also want to thank everybody that has partnered with us on jointhefoot.com through the entire season. This is a year round podcast. We're recording on into January and February and all the months that come after that eventually.

[Andy Holloway]

Usually year round, you hit, you hit every month.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, almost every time. So we're going to keep it going. But a lot of that has to do with your support on jointhefoot.com so we really appreciate that. We're an independent podcast and it, your support goes a long way. So let's get right into it. Before we get to the rewind, I want to ask a quick question. And the question is, what did you learn this weekend? Week 13, who wants it? I mean, I know what I, I know what I learned.

[Andy Holloway]

You learned a lesson that I learned last week. I'll go first. And it's you. You got to buy into the heating up. I'd explain that we've been talking lately about living by the NBA Jam rule of two games is heating up. Three is on fire. And there were several players this weekend where they're coming off of two explosive games and then they had a big, big game. Then they hit big.

[Jason Moore]

Doug Baldwin. Doug Baldwin's on fire.

[Andy Holloway]

Doug Baldwin, Jeremy Hill, Russell Wilson. I mean, there was several guys where C.J.

[Jason Moore]

Anderson might have been heading there.

[Andy Holloway]

He definitely was, but he got hurt. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Also, also Eddie Lacy. Not on fire.

[Andy Holloway]

There you go.

[Jason Moore]

There you go.

[Andy Holloway]

It doesn't always work because he was.

[Jason Moore]

Seeming pile of something, but not on fire.

[Andy Holloway]

I guess when you, when you stay out too late and you miss A curfew. When it, when a grown man misses his curfew, you sit him down and almost cost your team a victory. Ridiculous. Grown man with a curfew.

[Mike Wright]

All right, here's what I learned this week. I learned that the pre draft hype from way long ago about what a great rookie running back class this was going to be was legit. Just like way before the draft of the year before we heard it's one of the best wide receiver drafts of all time. And so that, that news that was, I mean, we're talking seasons before. Look at the running, the rookie running backs this week. DJ David. David Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Thomas Rawls.

[Andy Holloway]

Rawls wasn't part of the draft.

[Mike Wright]

Well, no, but he's a. No, no, no. He absolutely is. One of the thing that was said about this rookie class was the depth that it's just so deep. So you've got undrafted guys, you got Buck Allen, Yeld and all in the top seven. And that's not even including Todd Gurley, who's the best of the rookie running back. So what that makes me think, what that made me think is, is there any news right now? Because this time last year you already were hearing about the upcoming rookie running back draft class. And I feel like, and I remember that the year before about the wide receivers, I don't feel like there's any like we'll get into.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, I mean, I know we're.

[Mike Wright]

A ways from that, but I'm just saying, you know, that's what I learned this weekend. So I really like the very early.

[Jason Moore]

Hype, had huge games from some of those rookies and we'll talk about that. I learned a very valuable lesson that Mike, Mike learned a week ago. Never sit Russell Wilson.

[Andy Holloway]

My favorite tweet was of the week and was somebody quoting Andy. And it says from Andy, I'll show you, I'll show you how to sit Russell Wilson.

[Jason Moore]

Wrong. I apologize. I was wrong. This week he was heading towards on fire.

[Mike Wright]

This week I will make Russell Wilson my sit of the week so that all of you listeners can start him and have fantasy gold.

[Jason Moore]

You know, he had like a 50. Well, it didn't really matter. He had like a 55 yard touchdown run called back on a hold. And then the next play he threw a bomb to Doug Baldwin for a touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

He also scored his first rushing touchdown of the year.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's looking really good for Seattle and the NFC needs to be on notice. That's, that's trouble when they're playing like this. And Tyler Lockett Was involved in a lot of third down plays, if you notice. So he's a guy who. Maybe next year we can see some relevance out of that position. I'm not really sure, but let's go ahead and get into some of the News.

[Mike Wright]

Weekly. Rewind.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's start with the panic alarm.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Uh, oh.

[Jason Moore]

14 snaps for DeMarco Murray.

[Andy Holloway]

What?

[Jason Moore]

And they won. Yeah, and they won pretty handily. Yes. Special teams. Yes. Defense. Yes. Darren Sproles.

[Mike Wright]

Sprols looked better.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

DeMarco Murray hasn't looked good for several weeks in a row. And so they said. Chip Kelly came out and said that this is, it was just a game plan specific for this matchup. But I'm not sure if I buy that because he's been getting worse for a couple weeks in a row. And Darren Sprouls ran better. Darren Sprouls ran very well. And so to me, this makes me curious about, you know, Ryan Matthews.

[Andy Holloway]

Ryan Matthews, exactly.

[Jason Moore]

DeMarco Murray had eight carries for 24 yards. Kenjin Barner, nine for 39. Darren Sprouls 15 for 66. Well, that does not exactly give you confidence heading into your fantasy playoffs, does it?

[Andy Holloway]

No, it does not. And Murray is one of those very unfortunate players that you, if you have Murray, you're probably, you probably have to play him. You have no choice.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And that's something that hopefully you have some depth because you've been signing the guys that we've been talking about, the Buck Allens or David Johnson's or Char west or Spencer Ware, those type of guys. Well, you know what I mean.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Another. Another viable starting running back.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

You know, and, and we can debate that on, on the, the workload there. But Johnny Manziel set to probably be the quarterback to finish the year, ending the clowns. Yeah. Dude, was it 37 to 3. Mike Patton is not long for the Cleveland area. C.J.

[Andy Holloway]

Anderson, he can get back to his professional wrestling career as stone Cold Steve.

[Jason Moore]

Austin along with the head coach of the Miami Dolphins, C.J. anderson. What happened there? Ankle injury.

[Andy Holloway]

Ankle injury left the game. He says it's not a big deal.

[Jason Moore]

To which I say.

[Andy Holloway]

Or is it because the first ankle injury was not a big deal? This is really sucky timing for Anderson as he was coming on the running deep, running offense for the Broncos was really hitting.

[Jason Moore]

Now, does that make Ronnie Hillman a league winner?

[Andy Holloway]

Ronnie Hillman didn't really do much. He didn't explode or anything. And Thompson was getting some, some decent carries, so he might be a guy to pick up off the wire this week we evaluate things.

[Mike Wright]

Since you made CJ Anderson your start of the week, how sad were you to see Thompson get so much work, like they weren't giving it to Hillman.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, and Anderson came out and he was. He started the game well. It was just one of those things, you know, like. Like Andy said, I'll work on my predicting of ankle injuries for next week.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, you know what? I may have missed huge on Russell Wilson, but I know how to sit Stevie Johnson.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

All right. And predict injury.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Because Stevie Johnson had no targets and then went out with a groin injury. So felt good about that one considering he was a 19 point scorer the week before. But that's news for you guys. CV Johnson owners follow the practice reports this week. That offense, that team, you have to wonder how much they're going to have left.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll tell you what's going on with that team. They got Arian Foster's brother, is their personal trainer. Is what's going on in that team.

[Jason Moore]

That hasn't worked out for Arian Foster.

[Andy Holloway]

Because everyone is just getting hurt.

[Jason Moore]

Everybody I know. And now they have to travel to Kansas City and Justin Houston, I think has the potential to be back in that game. They sat him down this week, last minute. That could be trouble.

[Mike Wright]

Remember early in the year, Mike, when you were excited about Philip Rivers matchup against Kansas City? Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

That seemed like that was many moons ago.

[Andy Holloway]

It was a fortnight.

[Jason Moore]

Couple other injury notes. Travis Benjamin went down with a shoulder injury. LaShawn McCoy had a concussion test in the locker room but came back. So no concussion.

[Andy Holloway]

If he came back, you have to assume concussions.

[Jason Moore]

It's a fair point.

[Andy Holloway]

Or they paid off the dock.

[Jason Moore]

Well, is it like a Big Ben concussion or regular concussion? Vance McDonald, as we said, concussion. Which leaves Blake Bell as the only viable tight end on that team. He's worth a deep league flyer potential because he does target the tight end. And Gabbard led them to a victory in Soldier Field. Vernon Davis with a concussion. It is concussion week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Matt Hasselbeck last night. Shoulder, back injury. Talk about the implications for a Hasselback injury. If he can't play next week, the.

[Mike Wright]

Implications would be that the Colts would be a terrible NFL team.

[Jason Moore]

You're not signing Charlie Whitehurst?

[Mike Wright]

I am not signing Charlie Whitehurst, but I am signing whoever they play. Who do the Colts play next?

[Jason Moore]

Jacksonville.

[Mike Wright]

I would. I would play the Jacksonville D against that Colts offense and I'm not. While I would probably play other people over them, I'm not Joking that I think they would be legitimate against Charlie Whitehurst. And I mean, you saw during the game, right. How late the calls were getting in every play. Because they're doing that translation thing where they're still running an offense with, you know, one with the old play calling, and now they've got a new offensive coordinator that didn't know the terminology, and so he's sending it to the offensive coordinator who. Who's then translating it and sending it in. Now you put Charlie Whitehurst in there. That's an offense I don't want to be a part of.

[Jason Moore]

Why? It's a good point. Even if Jacksonville's defense isn't great, the potential for a big mistake by Whitehurst for a pick six, for a fumble, you know, return for a touchdown, is there.

[Mike Wright]

Speaking of pick six.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

We got.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, we do need to do a little water bet review, by the way. No, because T.J. yeldin rushed for a touchdown. And you owe me three waters.

[Mike Wright]

His first three. His first. That's his first touchdown on the ground, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think so.

[Jason Moore]

So first or second? I can't remember. So pretty nice. How did Gordon do?

[Mike Wright]

Melvin Gordon did as Melvin Gordon do.

[Jason Moore]

Fumble.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Fourth fumble of the year. These rookies, that's another thing I've learned is that the rookie running backs don't know how to hold onto the ball. David Johnson fumbled as well, but he also did great my start of the week.

[Jason Moore]

All right, last thing before we get into.

[Andy Holloway]

Just whispers it in there.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, very nice. We all were really down on David Johnson. All right, so last thing I want to mention is the mystery has been, I mean, Austin Severian Jenkins is back. He has overcome whatever practice problems he had. He wasn't just practicing chess. He only played 21 to 71 snaps in his return, but he was the second most targeted receiver on that team. Dropped a touchdown, dropped a touchdown. Still had, I think, three or four catches. But pay attention to him if you're desperate. Like me, who has a Gronkowski and needs somebody. So what are we doing next?

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

All right, let's get into the stud muffins.

[Mike Wright]

This week's fantasy stud muffins.

[Jason Moore]

You notice I let mine grow out a little bit more. It's a little bit.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

A little Christmassier.

[Jason Moore]

A little bit more Christmassy. Yes. I've got the Christmas lights up this weekend, by the way. Yeah, I even put some on the tree.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Jason Moore]

All right, quarterbacks. Russell Wilson, 21 for 274, three touchdowns, nine for 51 and a touchdown on the ground. Absolutely looked like he was toying with the defense. A very good defense. And so here to stay. And now has the Ravens next week. And what. What Russell Wilson's been doing is getting it done in the pocket. That's been what's made the fantasy jump. I'll tell you what, he's always had the baseline of running, but now he's passing the ball mostly to Doug Baldwin.

[Andy Holloway]

The problem for Russell Wilson was that Jimmy Graham character.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, get him out of here.

[Andy Holloway]

But I mean, that's a funny correlation. Of course. That is not serious.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, Russell Wilson's playing very well. That team is playing very well. So you can start Russell Wilson very, very confidently moving forward. Do we need to say anything else about Mr. Cam Newton?

[Andy Holloway]

Cameron Newton? Nope, not at all. He's. He's a beast. You start him every week.

[Jason Moore]

Cam Newton had a monster week. Five touchdowns. Marcus Mariota had a monster game on the ground, including 87 yard run, 24 to 68 in the air, three touchdowns, nine for 112 on the ground. Takes on the jets in New York next week. Temper the expectations. But Mariota is getting it done. He has had three of these huge games this year. What is the potential for Mr. Mariota to kind of.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, the jets defense is. They are not what they were to start the year. But I don't know, can you really trust the rookie in this situation where the Jets. The jets are Playing for. For these. It's a big game. They're playing for the playoffs.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

At home. I'm. I don't know, it's. We've seen the potential is there for the monster games, but for all the monster games, he also gives you sub double digit games, so.

[Jason Moore]

All right, other big games. Blake Bortles, first five touchdown game for Mr. Bortles. Tyrod Taylor, Tom Brady, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Big Ben. Which of these guys is worthy of a fantasy discussion? Fitzpatrick having another great game. He got the game ball for his comeback. That was a 20 to 10 game. It looked like that game was all but over. Brandon Marshall, man. Brandon Marshall and Ryan Fitzpatrick are a combo.

[Mike Wright]

Brandon Marshall now has, I believe 1,000 yards receiving for four different franchises.

[Andy Holloway]

First. First ever receiver in history.

[Mike Wright]

Wow.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

He must be okay at the wide receiver position. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

For Ryan Fitzpatrick, the. What we've always talked about is he's a great fantasy quarterback to start the year, but when will Winter, Ryan Fitzpatrick show up? And we know that winter is coming, but Winter is here and he has continued to have his high powered passing attack. At this point, I feel comfortable starting him, especially against the Titans.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, me too.

[Jason Moore]

That's really the question. Week one of the playoffs, potentially against the Titans, but at home.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I would think that's fine.

[Jason Moore]

Would you rather play him or would you rather play Tyrod Taylor at Philadelphia after that good big win from Philly?

[Mike Wright]

I think I would rather start Ryan Fitzpatrick.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he's safer.

[Mike Wright]

Safer. Tyrod Taylor probably has the higher ceiling.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. All right. And then Big Ben did what Big Ben does. It didn't look that way to start the game. In fact, when the way the game began, I was going, oh, no, we, you, you know, we said start Big Ben over Brady. In a lot of situations he ends up with 364 and 4 and you know, the weapons just eventually catch up to the defense. It seems like, you know, you cannot stop Antonio Brown and Martavis Bryant. You know, Wheaton scored another touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

I had a dream last night that Martavis Bryant scored like six touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

So you had the dream after the game?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, yes. So I mean, he's so good. He's, you know, some of his, I mean you've said this before, Andy, but like Randy Moss, he's the only guy that I feel like sometimes you see him streaking down the sideline and he's just two yards from the defender. He catches it in his own little planet and runs away.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's just really hard to stop speed. Every snap of the entire game. And he just runs fly pattern, so.

[Andy Holloway]

And how about Blaine Gabbard?

[Jason Moore]

Are you. Is he in the stud muffins?

[Andy Holloway]

He's got to be in there, man.

[Jason Moore]

Why? One touchdown pass.

[Mike Wright]

He had 75 yards.

[Jason Moore]

I contend that he should not be.

[Andy Holloway]

One touch and 75 yards and a touchdown on the ground, my man.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I know.

[Andy Holloway]

That's in our. In our scoring format. 33 points. Okay, that's called a big game.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Blaine Gabbard took overtime, but all right, you get there.

[Andy Holloway]

You get there.

[Mike Wright]

He finished as the 10th quarterback in.

[Jason Moore]

Standard scoring, so he finished as a 1. I wouldn't start him.

[Andy Holloway]

He's got Cleveland next week.

[Mike Wright]

I still wouldn't, huh?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I. Maybe deep, deep, deep, deep in twos.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Two quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

All right, wide receivers that blew up. We don't need to talk about that top guy. No, I had to face the. I had to face the wide receiving core that is Allen Robinson, the target monster.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I thought there was a raptor.

[Jason Moore]

It was very similar. Allen Robinson's having a humongous year, guys. Yes, humongous. 10 for 153 and three touchdowns yesterday. Well, I guess we know that he will get his regardless of Alan Hearns, his availability.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's a stud, and you just need to treat him like he was.

[Jason Moore]

65 for almost 1100 yards and 11 touchdowns on the year so far for Allen Robinson.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And we're in week 13. That puts Alan Robinson year to date. He is the number four wide receiver in the National Football League. Fantasy standard scoring.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's just an impressive, incredible year. A lot of it has to do with his second year mixed with Bortles and his maturity and the willingness for that offense to finally wing it a little bit, you know, put it in the air, let these guys make tough catches. It seems like Allen Robinson cannot be guarded on a slant pattern. I don't know how many of those 11 have been slants into the end zone.

[Mike Wright]

Well, the thing that makes him so valuable in the end zone is that he is so great at contested catches when you put it up for him. And another guy and kind of one of those jump balls, he normally comes down with it. Very similar to DEZ Bryant, who we said before the year was his closest statistical counterpart. So.

[Jason Moore]

So there. There were a lot of big wide receivers that had games, and they don't really have question marks around them. You know, you're starting them in the playoffs. That's Antonio Brown, Odell Beckham Jr. Brandon Marshall, by the way. He caught 12 balls on 13 targets. So a really efficient game for Brandon Marshall. A.J. green had another huge game.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, he's back. A.J. green.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. People can't doubt A.J. green. Well, you can't.

[Andy Holloway]

I understand that, that you cannot doubt Green, but he is. He's been a little disappointing.

[Jason Moore]

But let's talk about, let's talk about some of the guys. I'm going to ask you about them. They had big weeks again or big weeks that aren't necessarily started or kind of question mark guys. So let's start with Jeremy Macklin. Jeremy Macklin was nine for 95, two touchdowns. He had I believe a one yard run and like a one yard pass, something to that extent. What is the thought on Jeremy Macklin moving forward? Because he's had a couple great games. You know, we talked about the fact some of his lower games he was matched up with Denver in one of them and then the other game was a blowout because of the defense. So do you guys buy into Macklin moving forward or are you still gonna dub, you know, give you a dud?

[Mike Wright]

I buy into Jeremy Macklin now because we looked back at the matches and I even gave him a semi apology last week for mentally thinking he had been bad. But his matchups really played against him and like you said, that game where they blew him out. Well, his matchups going forward are San Diego, Baltimore, Cleveland and Oakland. So those are, those are all matchups where I don't expect him to be getting three for 48.

[Jason Moore]

How many games does he have left?

[Mike Wright]

Well, that's four.

[Andy Holloway]

He went through week 17.

[Mike Wright]

Week 17 is playoff playoffs for some.

[Jason Moore]

Right. He has to only accumulate 133 yards in those four games to hit a thousand yards and get you wet because we made that bet.

[Mike Wright]

Well, good. I'm happy for him. Great. Jeremy, I'm not wishing ill on you or anything.

[Jason Moore]

So you're starting Macklin?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, absolutely. I'm starting Macklin with confidence.

[Jason Moore]

How about Doug Baldwin? Because now, now Doug Baldwin has three straight weeks. Yeah, he monster games.

[Andy Holloway]

He is on Fire with five for 94 and two touchdowns. The problem with Baldwin is still the targets. He's seven targets. That's seven targets. That, that's not the volume you expect from a guy who's going to have a monster week. He's been highly efficient, but can you trust him with that? I.

[Jason Moore]

Well that's. I guess you're making the point with your efficiency comment, but let me give you some perspective on the year. Alan Robinson is 65 catches okay for that 1080 and 11 right on the year. Doug Baldwin has 55 catches and eight touchdowns and almost 800 yards. So no, he's not a superstar, but he should be, I think, very firmly in the, in the wide receiver, 2, 3 category. Oh yeah, and they're absolutely to throw him out there. Right.

[Mike Wright]

One of the reasons that you can get that out of Doug Baldwin, very similar to what we're seeing with Ted Ginn Jr. You have a team that runs, runs, runs, runs, runs. Whether it's through the quarterback or, you know, the running back and then, or even wide receivers at times. And then in Carolina's case, they run, run, run, run, run. Take a deep shot. Run, run, run, run, run. Take a deep shot. Well, Seattle hasn't been doing that for the first half of the year, but we've seen that's what's opening up here in Seattle lately over these last few games is that they're throwing the ball a little bit deeper. So while, you know, he might only get five catches. Ted Ginn, I would, I feel completely confident starting Ted Ginn and he's probably not going to get more than five receptions in a game on a, on a general week, but it's still going to be.

[Jason Moore]

And Ted Ginn drops a 70 yard touchdown every. Every single game.

[Mike Wright]

Goodness. Two of them last.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, two of them. And he ended up with two touchdowns. He got two touchdowns, five for 80 and two touchdowns. He's in our stud muffin section, but he dropped two of them. So when you say starting though, give people some context because they don't. I mean, what does that even mean, starting them over? Who, starting them where?

[Mike Wright]

I think it's going to be a little bit matchup dependent. You're going to, I don't see going up against a top flight defense and wanting to start these guys, but I would start them as a, as a wide receiver too. Which means on most rosters you would.

[Jason Moore]

Start Ted Ginn as a wide receiver. 2.

[Mike Wright]

Now Ted Ginn I would start as a wide receiver. 2. In a good matchup? Absolutely.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, we know his matchups moving forward.

[Jason Moore]

So next week Atlanta.

[Andy Holloway]

Next week is Atlanta two weeks after that. Islana. I just don't remember the game in between.

[Mike Wright]

I think the game in between is New Orleans.

[Jason Moore]

Really?

[Mike Wright]

No, it's New York. It's the Giants, which is like New Orleans light.

[Jason Moore]

So all three of those matchups can be argued as, as at least mid tier to good.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Mid tier.

[Jason Moore]

Are you really. I would say your playoffs are on the line. You're throwing Ted Ginna.

[Mike Wright]

I would throw Ted Ginn as a wide receiver three against Atlanta and a wide receiver two against the New York Giants. That's how I see it.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, if you, if you look at what he's done this year and how many touchdowns he accumulates, his yards per catch, I think he's. I think he's a safe option right now with safe.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my gosh. I think we just disagree.

[Mike Wright]

Fair enough.

[Jason Moore]

I, you know, he had five touchdowns against New Orleans. He had no catches the week before. That's what I'm afraid of with that Gann, 30 catches on the year. So that's where, that's where I'm concerned about Ted Gann.

[Mike Wright]

That's where it's a matchup. I mean, Dallas's defense has been great all year. And if you can't. If you can't get that guy free in the deep, it's like a. It's like a desean Jackson. So maybe safe isn't the right word. That's why I think he is matchup dependent. But if you've got a defense where you can get behind them, which is. I don't really see that that much in Atlanta, which is why I say a wide receiver three there, because they don't really give up a lot of big plays to the wide receiver. They haven't all year. Even despite, you know, implosion right now going on in Atlanta, their defense has still not given up big plays to the wide receiver too much. So.

[Andy Holloway]

And here's, here's the crazy thing about Ted Ginn, because we were talking about Doug Baldwin as well. Doug Baldwin on the year has 64 targets. Ted Ginn on the year, 75 targets.

[Jason Moore]

So drops. That has to do with a lot of deep passes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, well, deep passes and to catch 35.

[Jason Moore]

And Baldwin has 55.

[Mike Wright]

Let me ask you, so who would you rather start, Ted Ginn or Doug Baldwin?

[Jason Moore]

Baldwin all day.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. And you'd rather sign him as well?

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

Are you in agreement there, Mike?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah, I think so. The, that would. The Dallas game is weird for Ted Ginn Jr. With. With no targets. But I mean, when your. Your defense does.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

They ran the entire of the entirety of the lifting, then it makes sense that, that. Because Gin is the deep guy.

[Jason Moore]

I think if you need a home run, I think Jason's right on the money. I'm not saying. Sit down. Ted Ginn in every circumstance, I just wouldn't call him safe. I don't think that's the word I would use. Dorielle Green, Beckham five for 119 and a touchdown. This was indicative of what you see from wide receivers facing the Jacksonville Jaguars this year. So I don't know how much I read into it. Do you guys get a different feeling than I do that?

[Mike Wright]

Nope.

[Jason Moore]

This was a good game. This is a good game.

[Andy Holloway]

It was a turned into a crazy game. Really, really high scoring game. So that's. Somebody's got to score. So Green, Beckham did all right.

[Jason Moore]

Stud muffins at the running back position. Jason alluded to it earlier with the rookies and their contributions right now. Javorius Allen, TJ Eldon, David Johnson, Thomas, Thomas Rawls all had big weeks. I don't think any of those guys are getting sat down. But maybe we need to kind of assure David Johnson owners of the future. So somebody do that for us.

[Mike Wright]

Well, Chris Johnson or Chris Johnson is out. He's going to be out the rest of the way for fantasy. And then you have Andre Ellington as really the only other guy to worry about coming back if Andre Ellington is right now expected to miss this next week. So I think if that happens, you've got David Johnson taking another lion's share week. I believe he got 22 carries this week. So if that's the case, he is going to firmly establish himself as a leading running back if he gets another 22 for 100 and a touchdown. How do you then have Andre Ellington come back hurt and say, hey, Andre's ahead of you. It's not going to happen.

[Jason Moore]

I don't, I don't even think they approach it that way. I don't think they approach it like, oh, Ellington's going to come back and suddenly become the between the tackles running back. I think they want Ellington to, especially him coming off an injury. The whole reason he can't sustain being between the tackles guys, because he gets hurt, he just comes back. And David Johnson is the C.J. or I mean is the Chris Johnson and Ellington's the Ellington just like he's always been. That's how I approach it too. And he was your start of the week, so a big week. It was funny because Arian said he'd have about 25 touches. I believe he had 24 touches. That's. That's a great game. And the game was put away late and Kerwin Williams even had a 35 yard touchdown run in the game.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep. And the thing you got to be careful for is, or not be careful, but just be wary is the fumble.

[Mike Wright]

He.

[Andy Holloway]

He fumbled again, got bailed out because the Rams recovered it and they had a foot out of bounds. So Cardinals kept possession, but David Johnson got a little bit of a benching after that.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you can't do that. Certainly a playoff team trying to secure the potential home field. You can't fumble the ball, but all the rookies, they don't understand that for three or four years, apparently. All right, so Matt, fortunately, big bounce back game for him. 21 for 84 and a touchdown. 5 for 39 through the air. We like Matt Forte in the playoffs. The fantasy playoffs.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. James White had a game of necessity is what I'm going to choose to call it. Two for four on the ground, he's not getting the ball between the tackles, but 10 catches, 115 yards and a touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

He went full Dion Lewis roll.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would agree with you.

[Mike Wright]

The question is, does he stay there?

[Jason Moore]

No. I would say no.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I would say that.

[Jason Moore]

Just as he had a good game two games ago, then he didn't do anything last week, and then he had a big game this week. It's going to be, you know, the potential is there. The potential is there. If Gronkowski's out.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I would certainly pick him up, you know, because he could.

[Jason Moore]

Remember what you said about Devonte Adams?

[Mike Wright]

He stinks.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. What do you say about Brandon lefell?

[Mike Wright]

He stinks. Goodness gracious. I had a Twitter poll asked to me of who stinks more, Brandon lefell or Devonte Adams. And honestly, these guys are like somewhat mirror images of each other as far as. As far as in the brain. In the brain. I feel like these guys are the same, the same guy. They have hall of fame quarterbacks throwing them the ball that they cannot catch.

[Jason Moore]

Quarterbacks that really need them to catch the ball because their. Their weapons are weak right now.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, goodness gracious.

[Jason Moore]

Catch the ball in the brain.

[Andy Holloway]

Danny Amendola.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to my side, fellas.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I've been. I've been on the side. No, it was the.

[Andy Holloway]

I had.

[Jason Moore]

I'd been waiting for the fell to catch a deep ball. They keep trying. It's been 900 different tries. He's caught none of them well.

[Mike Wright]

And what's crazy. So on that Twitter question that I was asked, I said, who stinks more was Devonte Adams, not Brandon LeFell. And the reason is because last year Brandon LeFell finished as the number 18 wide receiver. We know he can. What in the world is going on? Why can't you catch the ball?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that is. I think that's what Brady was saying every time LaFell or I mean, Amendola dropped A pass. Look, Sean Martin dropped passes. He was threading the needle and couldn't finish the job.

[Andy Holloway]

Tom Brady got so tired of Brandon LaFell that he said, screw this. I'm playing wide receiver Danny Amendola. Throw me the ball.

[Mike Wright]

I'll show you how to catch.

[Jason Moore]

That play was awesome. Unbelievable trick play. And Tom Brady gets a 36 yard reception.

[Mike Wright]

There you go.

[Jason Moore]

All right. We talked about it earlier. Jeremy Hill 22 for 98 and a touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

He's on fire.

[Jason Moore]

Is he back? Is he back, Mike? Or could at any moment next week, Pittsburgh, very likely that he gets stuffed up quite a bit. Could he just be. It could be the Gio Bernard show against the Steelers.

[Andy Holloway]

It absolutely could be.

[Jason Moore]

So, yeah, the matchup makes me worried about the on fire continuing.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the worst part of this Jeremy Hill ascension is his playoff schedule. So it's. Gio Bernard was used hardly at all. Hardly at all in this last game. So. And everything game flowed to Hill like we were talking about. Could that happen in the. Against the Browns and sure did. Sure did. That it was the Jeremy Hill show just running at the clock. But they still have to give him work. I think the team, the argument I've been going to all year of the Bengals knowing they have to get Jeremy Hill going if they want to win.

[Jason Moore]

In the playoffs, it's an interesting thing because this is where fantasy and reality seem to diverge, in my opinion. I don't think that the Bengals coaching staff looks at the game and sees 22 for 98 and a touchdown and Jeremy Hill's a superstar. I think they look at it the way it played out, which is we're playing Cleveland, we're up by 400 points and we need to run the clock out. And so is it good to see those numbers? Yeah. Is it expected of him by the coaching staff? Probably against Cleveland. And so it's a matter of can he do it against a good team, Pittsburgh, when they need it to win the division to secure? I mean, right now the Patriots have dropped to third in the afc. This is a competition for the home field advantage.

[Mike Wright]

Frank Gore, this last game against Pittsburgh ran well on them. You saw several plays where he busted a decent run. But then what happens is Pittsburgh's offense turns on fire and you've got to go to the. You've got to go to the air. You've got to match them with that assault. So it's hard for that type of runner, for a Jeremy Hill type runner to stay in the game because they need, you know, you saw Frank Gore have a pretty good game because he got three in the air for 50 yards and a touchdown. That's where you kind of have to go, you know, tit for tat with.

[Jason Moore]

If they're coming back, it's going to be geo. Yeah, yeah, good point. All right, we got to go through these real quick. Tight ends. Richard Rodgers, 8 for 46, 146 and a touchdown. We talked about him. Is he kind of the top target on waivers or are there some other guys?

[Mike Wright]

If you need a tight end, I think you have to be looking at Richard Rodgers because Aaron Rodgers is looking at him every play.

[Jason Moore]

Delaney Walker, Charles Clay, Scott Chandler and Greg Olson all had big weeks. Walker continues to just ho hum, do what Walker does. Eight for 92 and a touchdown. Reliable as pie. Charles Clay, four for 66 and a touchdown. His touchdown was so wide open, nobody covered it. They must be fantasy players. He could have just knew that Charles Clay has been not used for weeks.

[Mike Wright]

Tyrod Taylor could have punted the ball and Clay could have just, you know, fair caught it.

[Jason Moore]

You're right. He really, really could have. I don't think that would have been legal. Scott Chandler did get in the end zone. Four for sure did. It's still painfully obvious he's not Rob Gronkowski. Every rowdy runs, but he is useful because some of those other guys are not useful right now catching the ball. So Scott Chandler, I think is fine with Gronkow. Do we agree?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Jason Moore]

He's a serviceable Rogers or Chandler?

[Mike Wright]

Rogers. Chandler for me. I just. I mean, I assume you can only say that when Gronk is out. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So Rogers, if you need a pickup, Rogers can serve you through the playoffs. Whereas, you know, how long are you.

[Jason Moore]

Going to think Rob Giakowski might be back for next week? Any. Any hope that Rob. I don't think Rob comes back from a matchup against Mike.

[Mike Wright]

I think there's a little hope.

[Andy Holloway]

I think there is very little hope. And just real quick before we get into the other guys, the. I don't know if you saw the Brandon lefell garbage can vine was recirculating again yesterday.

[Jason Moore]

Legitimately, if he caught that kind of inside slant pass at the end of the game on that drive, he probably gains 20, 25, 30 yards and Goskowski gets a shot at the end of the game to tie it. He. I mean, to be fair, every receiver.

[Andy Holloway]

On the last drive took a turn dropping a ball, so they did.

[Jason Moore]

It ended on four consecutive drops. I think something to that extent. Sorry. We need to move on.

[Mike Wright]

Hooped in his big boy pants. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

These quarterbacks are so great for me.

[Jason Moore]

Personally, because you between.

[Mike Wright]

I cycled.

[Andy Holloway]

I cycled between all three of these guys of who am I gonna start? So number one on this list with Philip Rivers, who was 18 for 202, which is not a terrible game. He just didn't throw any touchdowns. So for fantasy, it killed you.

[Jason Moore]

Pretty terrible game.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. It's very similar to the Next Jay Cutler.

[Andy Holloway]

18 for 202 yards with no touchdowns in a great matchup against San Francisco. And then the best one of all, Ryan Tannehill. Nine completions, 86 yards a quarter. This is a quarterback. 86 yards.

[Mike Wright]

And he had a 40 yard touchdown pass.

[Andy Holloway]

A monster touchdown to Devonte Parker, which if you have not seen the Devonte Parker catch, the guy jumped at least 4ft in the air.

[Jason Moore]

You want to know what he looked like?

[Andy Holloway]

Superman.

[Jason Moore]

A first round draft pick. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

It was.

[Jason Moore]

Good thing they're using him now, now that the season's gone. Yeah. This is what happens if you want to go to NFL.com to look up a stat line. You get a commercial and then the commercial plays through your computer into your podcast.

[Mike Wright]

That just blows my mind. I mean, so Dan Campbell said he wants to run the ball. We did see that. We saw Lamar Miller find.

[Jason Moore]

Lamar Miller was great to that start.

[Mike Wright]

One T carry line. So he had 20 carries, which we've been waiting for forever for him to get. But they're not joking. They don't want to pass the ball, apparently, because that means the rest of the game. Ryan Tannehill had 40 yards.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. That's what. That's brutal.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So like I said, those. I was deciding between all three of those. And I was, man, I got to get this decision right. It was a big trick on me because they were all the wrong decision.

[Jason Moore]

So we talked about it a little bit last week. The fact that maybe some of the discussion in the off season and heading into the next year of drafting will have to do with how early do you take running backs. We had a guy in our league who had top picks and looked like he went into the season. Marshawn Lynch, Eddie Lacy, DeMarco Murray. And when you looked at it after the draft, scared, There was a shimmer. I mean, it was as beautiful as could be. Now look at Eddie Lacy and look at Marshawn lynch and look at DeMarco Murray.

[Mike Wright]

They need to be on your bench.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, Eddie Lacy pooped his big boy pants in the greatest fashion. I think I've seen all year.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he got benched.

[Jason Moore]

Well, that is pooping your pants. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I'm not disagreeing with that, but what I'm saying is he got benched. He got punished, sure.

[Mike Wright]

Maybe that's why he was late to the meeting. Maybe he pooped in his pants. He was out and he's like, dude.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you ever think of that, McCarthy?

[Jason Moore]

He missed curfew because, you know, that's a big business. Adult diaper business. There are a lot of people out there.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, we know that Joseph Randall allegedly may have pooped his pants when he stole underwear and cologne.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe there was a similar situation. Right. These things happen because it's real life. Sometimes you gamble and lose. If you guys know what I'm talking about.

[Mike Wright]

I don't lose that gamble.

[Jason Moore]

You shall never gamble. When coming to said podcast, sometimes you.

[Andy Holloway]

Gamble and you lose. So. But my point is, next week, Eddie Lacey could firmly be back as the running back.

[Jason Moore]

I do agree that is. That is the right perspective. He was not just terrible, he was benched. And so if they forgive him in one week because they'd like to make the playoffs, this would be a good time to continue handing him the ball. That being said, let's go through some of these guys. Todd Gurley. Oh, my goodness. Oh, Does Nick Foles hurt Todd Gurley or does Nick Foles hurt Todd Gurley?

[Mike Wright]

I would agree that with the second one, I think Nick Foles very much hurts Todd Gurley. He's, you know, this is. I know that he had 100 yards or a touchdown in several games, but that was a very convenient way to ignore the fact that his. His yards and his carries were trending downward for about four or five weeks in a row because he got into the end zone a couple of times and salvaged it. But, you know, it's something that, you.

[Jason Moore]

Know, didn't he have like a 35 yard, 40 yard run in this game? I saw him break through the line for like 35 or 40 yards.

[Andy Holloway]

He did have a.

[Jason Moore]

He ended with nine for 41.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he had a nice carry and nine carries. Here's the problem with Gurley is the Jason Read off his carries the last couple weeks.

[Mike Wright]

I'll go backwards. So he had nine this week. He had nine the week before. That's not how you treat a Todd Gurley type runner. 25.

[Andy Holloway]

There you go.

[Mike Wright]

That's the week before 12. That's no good. 24, 20.

[Andy Holloway]

So you got to get him 20 carries.

[Jason Moore]

Let's. What is Gurley's Rest of season matchups. Because I want us to look at. I mean, this is something people need to know.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. He goes this week to Detroit, who has been.

[Jason Moore]

They've been great.

[Mike Wright]

Very good. Then Tampa Bay, middle of the race.

[Jason Moore]

Not bad.

[Andy Holloway]

Not bad.

[Mike Wright]

And the championship game at Seattle.

[Andy Holloway]

Ugh.

[Jason Moore]

So what in the world do you. Do you have to start him for the big potential or what? Because nine carries. Nine carries.

[Mike Wright]

How do you not start?

[Jason Moore]

He's at home at least in back to back games now.

[Andy Holloway]

He was at home last week.

[Jason Moore]

Gross, man.

[Andy Holloway]

Or this week.

[Jason Moore]

Well, you know what Case Keenan might be back.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And that does help a lot.

[Jason Moore]

That's what that was just said in a positive. That was just said in a positive sense. And because. Because of Nick Foles. Jason instantaneously agreed with the statement, which I meant it the way I said it, which is like something might change.

[Mike Wright]

It's only an improvement.

[Jason Moore]

How many do you think it's Nick Foles that every time he's about to hand it off, he goes, no, I can throw this ball. And he just pulls it back. Is that what it is?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he takes. Every time he takes the snap, he just thinks contract extension. That was so sweet. Thanks, Jeff.

[Jason Moore]

Genuine question. If you put Tavon Austin as the quarterback and ran Wildcat for the majority.

[Andy Holloway]

Of the game, go Miami Dolphins, would.

[Jason Moore]

That, with Gurley on the field, would that not be a better offense than what you're seeing right now? It could be three points.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, and here's. Here's the thing. Jeff Fisher after the game said he just doesn't have any more answers for what's going on because Jeff Fisher is.

[Jason Moore]

He's a head coach. That's good.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So maybe we can send an email. We'll send an anonymous email that says play, play Wildcat.

[Jason Moore]

All right. We need to move on. I guess Gio Bernard had a bad game. That is on me. I thought he'd have a better game.

[Andy Holloway]

Workload, man.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Five for 26. He only. He got five carries. That's it.

[Mike Wright]

When.

[Jason Moore]

When generally not good.

[Mike Wright]

When Melvin Gordon fumbled the ball, you know who I thought was going to really start coming on strong?

[Andy Holloway]

Donald Brown.

[Mike Wright]

Danny Woodhead. And Danny Woodhead pooped in his big boy pants. Three total carries for 10 yards.

[Jason Moore]

Whatever the inverse of on fire is like if you're cooling off. Getting colder on ice.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he's. He's ice.

[Mike Wright]

Cryogenically frozen.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Not good. Shark Hendrick West. Jason and I made a bet during lunch last week and the bet was Spencer Ware versus Char west. And Standard leagues. And I took Spencer Ware because I thought he'd get the touchdowns this game. Char west, nine for 35, two for nine in the air. And the touchdown went to Spencer where the way it looked, unfortunately, they hurt both each other.

[Andy Holloway]

Say. The way it looked to me is they were essentially alternating series is what it looked like. Where west gets. It's a series. Like. Like I just said, I'm repeating myself. But so.

[Mike Wright]

No, no.

[Jason Moore]

How does alternating series work? Explain it.

[Andy Holloway]

So the. The confidence level in Char west, it's.

[Jason Moore]

I'm.

[Andy Holloway]

I would still.

[Jason Moore]

RB3.

[Andy Holloway]

I would still flex him. Yeah, but you just. You can't depend on that volume.

[Jason Moore]

He can catch the ball. Yeah, he can catch the ball. All right. Adrian Peterson is worth mentioning. We're not forgetting Adrian Peterson. Eight for 18. Yes, eight carries to Adrian Peterson. But his relevance of discussion is none. Because you're starting Adrian Peterson in your fantasy playoffs, you're not sitting him down. So there's no, oh, you know, I'm gonna start somebody else. No.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Last time they. He had a game like this, they came out the next game and, like, give him, like, 50 carries.

[Jason Moore]

All right, wide receivers. Stevie Johnson. No targets, no catches, one groin pole. Jarvis Landry, two for five. This is surprising because Landry has been one of the most kind of resilient players. In spite of the Dolphins failures through the entire season. Landry has come through over and over and over again with quantity. But now you have to wonder when you see a game like this and the offensive coordinator changed.

[Mike Wright]

Uh, oh, and they won the game.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

This is. This is what I will.

[Jason Moore]

They won that game.

[Andy Holloway]

He had five yards. That was almost 10% of the passing yardage from Ryan Tannehill.

[Jason Moore]

That is a really good point. Unbelievable. Tavon Austin had a bad game. 1 for 24, Kendall Wright. 3 for 28, Randall Cobb. Randall Cobb fell on a fumble. Otherwise, his game was a complete loss.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, it depends on your scoring format.

[Jason Moore]

And I mean this legitimately. I said this to Jason in the car. If you're a Packer fan out there, you follow the packers closely, you follow camp and all that stuff. I mean, where we're obviously paying attention to everything from all the teams, and we're not in it like you are. I think Randall Cobb looks like he's playing about 5 to 10 pounds overweight. He doesn't look as fast to me. In and out of breaks. He looks bigger than he's played before. And I'm just curious if that's been something talked about by beat reporters in Green Bay, because he looks like he's on the Eddie Lacy diet. All right, tight ends, Jordan Cameron, Kyle Rudolph, Martell's Bennett. Were you relying on any of these guys this week? These guys stunk.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe Bennett.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, well, he was my set of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

Some people might have have gone with Kyle Rudolph, but like Kyle Rudolph is one to do when you are depending on him for fantasy. He lets you down because that's what he does.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So. All right, let's talk for a second Monday Night Football game. That. That does it for the pooped in the big boy pants section. Tomorrow we'll get into waiver wire stuff. We'll get you set up for the playoffs. Hopefully you're doing well. I had a lot of tweets from people that were doing well. Some guys, you know, they're still in the fight. They're still in the fight heading into Monday night. So Cowboys, they go. They take on the Redskins. I think the Redskins are going to win this game.

[Andy Holloway]

Somebody has to win this game. The NFC East.

[Mike Wright]

I heard something.

[Andy Holloway]

What is going on?

[Mike Wright]

I heard something like, are the Eagles.

[Jason Moore]

Going to win it now?

[Mike Wright]

If the Cowboys beat the Redskins, they're only like a game back. Yes. And that is a fact.

[Jason Moore]

That's why they haven't put Tony Romo on season ending.

[Andy Holloway]

And there was a lot of people chuckling about that. And when I heard, I said, yeah, why not?

[Jason Moore]

They could win it. They definitely could win it. Because just when you rely on the Redskins to do something. Giants, Giants lost, Eagles won. Someone's getting in under.500.

[Andy Holloway]

And it was really funny when you see the standings of like the divisional leaders. I mean, you got the Panthers, 12 wins. The Cardinals are at 10 wins.

[Jason Moore]

Vikings, Packers.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Which the packers are what, nine?

[Jason Moore]

They're both eight and four.

[Andy Holloway]

Eight and four.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

And then you have the NSC east, not so hot.

[Jason Moore]

But let's talk about a moment of silence. Let's talk about them right now. Des Bryant, Darren McFadden, Jason Whitten, what is your confidence level for the Cowboys?

[Andy Holloway]

Minimal. Darren McFadden, if you're in a PPR.

[Jason Moore]

League, you don't think Des Bryant.

[Mike Wright]

I would start Des if I have to.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

No, if you have to start, you would start him.

[Andy Holloway]

I still start him.

[Jason Moore]

But Sage.

[Andy Holloway]

What?

[Mike Wright]

He's making fun of the fact that.

[Jason Moore]

I'm calling him a Sage. He said if you have to start a guy, he'd start him. I just think it's kind of a. Well, my point, it's not very prescriptive to somebody.

[Mike Wright]

My Point is I think that there are a lot of teams. I have Des on one of my leagues where I'm starting Sammy Watkins. I started Sammy Watkins over him this week.

[Jason Moore]

So let's make it easy. Des Bryant or DeSean Jackson tonight?

[Mike Wright]

Des Bryant. Deshaun was my set of the week. I don't think Dallas is like I said with Ted Ginn Jr. I don't think they're a team that's going to give up the play to the DeSean Jackson type player.

[Jason Moore]

Is this Alfred Morris time? Is his time coming this season? Mike is shaking his head the way that you do when you talk about starting Alfred Morris.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, I guess so if you're going to go Alfred Morris or Matt Jones, let's say they're both on your bench, I would go, I'm going to go with Alfred Morris.

[Mike Wright]

I agree. But it's just a bad matchup.

[Andy Holloway]

This Jordan Reed, I didn't like him coming into tonight but yeah, this is, this is just a black hole of fantasy.

[Mike Wright]

You know what's going to happen, you.

[Andy Holloway]

Know what means it's going to be.

[Mike Wright]

This is going to be 50 to 59 points and it's just going to be nuts because looking at this game it just seems like nothing is going to happen. You've got a good defense on Dallas against you know, a mediocre Washington.

[Andy Holloway]

But they're good at home is the situation with Washington.

[Jason Moore]

They have been good defensively at home over the past couple games. So you are right about that in spirit. Yes. All right, let's get into the mailbag.

[Mike Wright]

Called the trim mailbag Mail pain.

[Jason Moore]

Thanks for that. All right, if you have a question for the show you can go to the website the Fantasy footballers dot com. Click on the submit a question button. You can also leave us a voicemail question at 302464, TFFB. Alright, Warren in LA, which I'm gonna take as the city and not Louisiana. But I don't know, maybe. Maybe you're in Louisiana.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe it's both.

[Jason Moore]

Thanks for all the help. Thanks for all the help, guys. Thanks to the fantasy footballers that made it to the fantasy playoffs.

[Andy Holloway]

Nice.

[Jason Moore]

But who do I start going forward? I didn't see the end of this so I just thought he just asked in general. Char west or Spencer Ware.

[Mike Wright]

Wow. Well, Andy and I have. Eddie and I have our water bet.

[Jason Moore]

Well, let's look at next week. Let's look at next week. Next week they're playing the Chargers at home. To me, I have no idea. Sorry.

[Mike Wright]

Well, we've got Our water bet. So I've got to say west. You've got to say where and that means, Mike, you get to break it.

[Andy Holloway]

If you are you going West. I'm still sticking with if you are in a ppr, you go with west because of the catch potential. And if you're in a standard.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

You go with where because of the touchdown potential.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I agree with that. Dan in Philadelphia. And by the way, that's our bet was in standard. So I mean, I agree with Char west and PPR Dan in Philadelphia. Hey guys, in what order would you rank Jonathan Stewart, Shady McCoy and Darren McFadden rest of season? We've seen an interesting amount of touchdowns for Mr. Jonathan Stewart over the last half of the season, but I still think I lean Mr. Shady McCoy.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I go McCoy, Stewart, McFadden.

[Jason Moore]

What about straight standard league?

[Andy Holloway]

This is a standard.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, is that what he said? Yeah, you still go LaShawn McCoy over Jonathan Stewart.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's still going to get yards through. You know, if he catches the passes, he might not be getting points for the reception, but he's still, you know, he could put up 45 on through the air. So I would still go McCoy, then Stewart, then McFadden.

[Andy Holloway]

As would I.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Yeah, I think I'm with you. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. He does play. Stuart does play Atlanta a couple times.

[Andy Holloway]

As in good or bad, I think.

[Jason Moore]

They'Re going to blow him out, so.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, okay.

[Jason Moore]

All right. But I'm with you. Let's go ahead and talk about this question here from Marcus in Cherry Hill, week 14 next week, should I start Blake Bortles? Oh, we're getting an early start here. Blake Bortles against the Colts, Andy Dalton against the Steelers.

[Andy Holloway]

As of now, for me it would be Blake Bortles.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. When we saw Andy Dalton in the Steelers. The Bengals Steelers game last time, we were expecting this high scoring of division game.

[Andy Holloway]

Andy Dalton in a division game.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it was very low scoring. So I think I would lean Blake Bortles as well. I see both as decent options for week 14.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, when they played last time, Mr. Dalton was in Pittsburgh but had 231 yards and one touchdown. This one will be in Cincinnati.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that helps. That helps for sure.

[Jason Moore]

That's a tough one. You know, if Bortles wasn't coming off a five touchdown game.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, it's five touchdowns plus what the Colts are right now and we just saw the Steeler offense dismantle the Colts and out Robinson is magma levels of hot right now.

[Jason Moore]

We will. I'm going to hold judgment on that call until the rankings go up, because I'm not sure who's going to really end up on top. And still I look into that a little deeper because I think I don't want to doubt Dalton in these matchups too much. I mean, he put up a monster game against Seattle earlier in the year, so. Yeah, I'm talking about too much now. So.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, well, one point that you bring up is. So this is a very early question, because the truth is we haven't done our research. You know, Tuesday and Wednesday, we look into the matchups deep of the upcoming week, stat our guys out and do a lot. So it's always difficult for us to answer these questions and feel good about it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, they're off the cuff. I'm going to give you on a.

[Mike Wright]

Tuesday, you ask us on a Thursday. After we've done the work and have confidence in what we're saying here, we feel better about our answers.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's about Thursday. When I decide sitting Russell Wilson is really smart. That's about whenever. Every week around Thursday, I'm thinking, yeah, Russell Wilson, I think for the Foot.

[Andy Holloway]

Clan, he needs to be a weekly ceremonial sit of the week.

[Jason Moore]

Permanent sit of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Officially.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So. So you can play him.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. An honorary sit of the week.

[Jason Moore]

Honorary. I like that. All right. Hey, we're out of time. Thanks for listening today. We'll be back with the waiver wire tomorrow. Hopefully you are in the playoffs and winning some fantasy footballer titles. Let us know how you're doing.

[Andy Holloway]

And thanks to Martavis Bryant for winning me money.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you for listening to another edition of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Don't forget to visit us on the web at www.thefantasyfootballers.com and follow us on Twitter heffballers.