Fantasy Football Podcast 2015 - Week 3 Waiver Wire Pickups, MNF Review, Mailbag

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary: Episode "Week 3 Waiver Wire Pickups, MNF Review, Mailbag"

Release Date: September 22, 2015

In this engaging episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright delve deep into Week 3 of the fantasy football season. Covering a range of topics from waiver wire strategies to Monday Night Football (MNF) game analyses and listener mailbag questions, the trio offers expert insights to help fantasy managers optimize their rosters.

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1. Andrew Luck Debate

Discussion Highlights: The hosts kick off with a heated discussion about quarterback Andrew Luck's performance and his reliability in fantasy lineups.

• Andy Holloway (00:00-05:04): Shares a personal anecdote about advocating for Marcus Mariota over Luck, only to see Luck outperform Mariota despite expert consensus suggesting otherwise.

  Andy Holloway (03:14): "We thought Mariota outscoring Luck would be crazy, but that's fantasy football for you."

• Mike Wright (04:06-05:04): Draws parallels between Luck's situation and Peyton Manning's decline last year, emphasizing the unpredictability of player performances.

  Mike Wright (04:24): "It's about the process. Nobody is going to get everything right."

• Jason Moore (05:02-06:11): Evaluates Luck's talent, noting his high potential despite recent inconsistencies.

  Jason Moore (05:02): "Andrew Luck is maybe not the absolute top end, but he's still going to be better than most waiver options."

Conclusion: The consensus is to continue starting Andrew Luck unless significant negative trends persist, given his high ceiling and overall talent.

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2. Listener Reviews and Community Engagement

Discussion Highlights: Andy reads a listener review that praises the show's blend of statistics, entertainment, and community interaction.

• Jason Moore (06:49-07:19): Highlights the value of being part of a community and how the podcast transcends traditional analysis.

  Jason Moore (07:19): "We entertain, we make you laugh, we blurt out straight nonsense looking at you."

Conclusion: The hosts emphasize the importance of community, encouraging listeners to engage via Twitter, their website, and other platforms.

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3. News and Notes from Around the League

Key Topics:

• Drew Brees Injury Update (08:41-10:05):

  • Mike Wright: Describes the fluctuating reports on Brees' injury status, ultimately advising fantasy managers to consider starting the backup quarterback if Brees is uncertain.

    Mike Wright (09:46): "If there's doubt about his health and performance, start somebody else."

  • Andy Holloway: Suggests betting on Bruce Arians' backup as a precaution.

• Arian Foster Status (10:05-12:13):

  • Mike Wright: Confirms Foster is day-to-day and advises to start him if he's playing.

    Mike Wright (10:22): "If he's playing, he's in."

  • Jason Moore: Points out potential concerns based on Foster's matchup against Tampa Bay.

• Eddie Lacy and Other Player Injuries (11:11-14:33):

  • Jason Moore: Discusses Eddie Lacy's ankle injury and the strategic considerations for grabbing James Starks as an alternative, despite his tough matchup against Kansas City.

  • Mike Wright: Shares personal anecdotes about close fantasy matchups affected by player turnovers and injuries.

• Jay Cutler and Other QB Injuries (12:13-14:35):

  • Andy Holloway: Notes Jay Cutler's injury, affecting fantasy managers to seek alternatives like Matthew Stafford if available.

• Tevin Coleman and Eric Decker Injuries (12:54-14:43):

  • Andy Holloway & Mike Wright: Discuss Tevin Coleman's bruised rib and his impact on the running back position, as well as Eric Decker's PCL injury affecting his availability.

Conclusion: Staying updated on player injuries is crucial. Fantasy managers are advised to monitor injury reports closely and make proactive roster adjustments to maintain competitiveness.

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4. Waiver Wire Pickups

Positions Covered: Wide Receiver, Running Back, Tight End, Quarterback

Wide Receiver:

• Stevie Johnson (21:19-25:23):

  • Jason Moore: Highly recommends adding Stevie Johnson due to his red zone performance and absence of Antonio Gates.

    Jason Moore (21:44): "If he's on my team, he would be my flex over many of my starters."

  • Mike Wright: Agrees, noting Johnson's ownership spike to 54%.

• Travis Benjamin (21:54-23:25):

  • Andy Holloway: Suggests Travis Benjamin as a potential add but questions his long-term viability.

  • Jason Moore: Advises against relying heavily on Benjamin, comparing him unfavorably to Josh Gordon.

• Other Wide Receivers:

  • Michael Crabtree, Rashad Matthews, Leonard Hankerson, Devin Funches, Ty Montgomery, Marvin Jones: The hosts discuss various WR options, generally favoring Stevie Johnson and expressing skepticism about others' consistency and long-term value.

Conclusion: Stevie Johnson stands out as the top waiver wire WR pickup, while others like Travis Benjamin and Ty Montgomery serve as speculative additions based on team dynamics and matchups.

Running Back:

• Dion Lewis (26:03-28:08):

  • Andy Holloway: Recommends blitzing the waiver priority to acquire Dion Lewis due to his involvement in a high-scoring Patriots offense.

    Andy Holloway (27:32): "I would certainly blow my waiver priority on Dion Lewis."

  • Jason Moore: Suggests spending up to 20% of FAB on Lewis, balanced by concerns over Bill Belichick's play-calling.

• Matt Jones (28:20-31:09):

  • Mike Wright: Highlights Jones' increased carries in Washington's offense but remains cautious about his role consistency.

  • Jason Moore: Emphasizes prioritizing Lewis and Freeman over Jones unless facing specific matchups.

• David Johnson vs. Chris Johnson (32:19-34:10):

  • Mike Wright: Recommends starting Chris Johnson over David Johnson in standard leagues due to immediate workload needs.

  • Jason Moore: Prefers David Johnson for long-term value but acknowledges Chris Johnson's current usage advantages.

• Devontae Freeman (34:25-34:54):

  • Jason Moore & Mike Wright: Agree on starting Freeman due to his role in replacing the injured Tevin Coleman, anticipating increased touches.

Conclusion: Dion Lewis is a must-add due to his offensive involvement, while Matt Jones and David Johnson present mixed value based on immediate needs versus long-term potential. Devontae Freeman emerges as a valuable pickup in light of Coleman’s injury.

Tight End:

• Jordan Reed and Eric Ebron (34:59-36:03):

  • Mike Wright: Prioritizes Reed and Ebron for their involvement in their respective offenses.

  • Jason Moore: Also highlights Kyle Rudolph and Jared Cook as viable options based on matchups and target volumes.

• Crockett Gilmore (37:12-38:42):

  • Mike Wright & Jason Moore: Discuss Gilmore's potential despite facing strong defenses, indicating cautious optimism but leaning towards other TE options.

Conclusion: Jordan Reed and Eric Ebron are top TE waivers, with Jared Cook as a solid alternative. Crockett Gilmore remains a speculative add depending on matchups.

Quarterback:

• Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick, Tyra Taylor (40:38-41:58):

  • Jason Moore: Recommends Cam Newton for his favorable matchup against the Saints, placing Tyra Taylor next, and deprioritizing Kaepernick.

  • Mike Wright: Supports Cam Newton for his running ability and potential high fantasy output.

• Alex Smith (42:14-42:36):

  • Jason Moore: Suggests Alex Smith as a streaming option for his upcoming high-scoring game against the Packers.

Conclusion: Cam Newton is the preferred QB waiver add due to his dual-threat capabilities and favorable matchup, followed by Alex Smith as a streaming option.

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5. Mailbag: Listener Questions

Key Questions Addressed:

1. Bryce in Minneapolis (43:07-44:35):

   • Question: Offered Jarvis Landry and Todd Gurley; is it too tempting to pass up?
   • Advice:

     • Mike Wright: Prefers Jarvis Landry in PPR formats, advising against trading away Jeremy Hill.

       Mike Wright (43:54): "I love Jarvis Landry, especially in a PPR. But I'm still going to hold Jeremy Hill."

     • Jason Moore: Agrees with holding Hill despite occasional poor performances.

2. Kid Fresh (44:53-45:59):

   • Question: Considering dropping Justin Forsett for Dion Lewis.
   • Advice:

     • Mike Wright & Jason Moore: Recommend holding Forsett due to uncertain usage and trusting Dion Lewis's potential.

       Jason Moore (45:22): "If I have to choose, I'd still take Dion Lewis."

3. Mark in Detroit (46:42-48:43):

   • Question: Should you drop players like Charles Johnson for Travis Benjamin?
   • Advice:
     • General Consensus: No for most drop decisions, with some maybes. Emphasis on retaining producers like Ted Ginn Jr. over speculative pickups.

4. Ryan in Columbus (49:12-49:35):

   • Question: Which quarterback to stream in a 12-team, one-QB league between Tyra Taylor and Delaney Walker.
   • Advice:

     • Jason Moore: Recommends Eli Manning over Tannehill due to matchup considerations.

       Jason Moore (49:21): "I'm going to take Cam, and then after Cam, I'm ranking all the quarterbacks on the waiver."

Conclusion: Listener questions revolve around strategic roster adjustments and streaming decisions. The hosts consistently advocate for holding onto reliable players while cautiously exploring high-upside waiver wire options.

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6. Final Thoughts and Community Interaction

The episode concludes with light-hearted banter about malts and listener engagement, reinforcing the podcast's community-driven approach. The hosts also remind listeners to participate in contests and engage via social media for additional interaction and rewards.

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Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway (03:14): "We thought Mariota outscoring Luck would be crazy, but that's fantasy football for you."
• Mike Wright (09:46): "If there's doubt about his health and performance, start somebody else."
• Jason Moore (21:44): "If he's on my team, he would be my flex over many of my starters."
• Jason Moore (36:03): "I like Jared Cook because he's up against Pittsburgh, whose defense gives up a lot to tight ends."

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Final Recommendations:

• Quarterbacks: Start Andrew Luck unless significant downturns occur. Consider Cam Newton and Alex Smith as strategic waiver adds based on matchups.

• Running Backs: Prioritize acquiring Dion Lewis and Devontae Freeman, while evaluating Matt Jones and David Johnson based on team needs.

• Wide Receivers: Secure Stevie Johnson as a high-value waiver add, with Travis Benjamin and others serving as speculative options.

• Tight Ends: Target Jordan Reed, Eric Ebron, and Jared Cook for their potential upside and involvement in their offenses.

The Fantasy Footballers provide actionable strategies and thoughtful analysis, making this episode a valuable resource for fantasy managers aiming to secure victories in their leagues.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome. Welcome one and all to the show. Kind of felt like I was introducing a circus.

[Mike Wright]

That's exactly what I was gonna say.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Aren't you sort of. Yes. Thank you. It is Tuesday, September 22nd. This is the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. I'm Andy Holloway joined by Jason Moore and Mike the Fantasy Hitman. Right?

[Mike Wright]

You are correct, sir.

[Andy Holloway]

That's always good when I get the names right. It is always a good beginning to the start.

[Mike Wright]

Good start.

[Jason Moore]

Mm.

[Andy Holloway]

We got a good one for you today. We're gonna be talking news and notes around the league, injury updates, waiver wire.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Everyone wants to know who to sign.

[Mike Wright]

I want to know.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I know.

[Jason Moore]

I'll let you guys know in just a bit. We gotta wait.

[Andy Holloway]

We're gonna go through all the offensive and defensive linemen that you need to sign. This is for the real teams. We do it for the actual NFL scouts and GMs. We let them know who to sign.

[Mike Wright]

That's so nice.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Mailbag. We're gonna talk Mailbag today. We've got a good show. You can go on. Follow us on Twitter @ the FF Ballers. If you want to follow Jason, you can do so at Jason ffl. You can follow Mike at FF Hitman, and you can follow me at Andy Holloway. Be sure to check out our fantasy football community, the ever growing community on jointhefoot.com It's a great place to post your questions, start sit, waiver wire questions, those type of things and have the community join in. We're on there all the time. Go to facebook.com the fantasy footballers if you want to follow us there. And you can check us out on YouTube as well, the YouTube channel, and watch this show. Hello.

[Jason Moore]

And make sure you subscribe, even if you don't normally watch it on YouTube. You should subscribe on YouTube.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And on YouTube you can see our new little foot soldier.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

That we. That I bought for.

[Mike Wright]

I built it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that Mike built.

[Mike Wright]

I custom molded it.

[Andy Holloway]

I was gonna say that's expensive. Thanks, though, for the Single. It's worth it for the one off.

[Mike Wright]

It's worth it.

[Jason Moore]

Building the foot clan.

[Andy Holloway]

So one thing we. Let me ask you quick question. What to do with Andrew Luck?

[Jason Moore]

Drop them.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it was funny cause I looked. I got in an argument with somebody. Not really an argument, but I was talking to her about she wanted to start Mariota this week. And I said that's crazy. And it is crazy. I mean that would have been crazy to do like a fox. But then Mariota outscored Luck. And I looked on fantasypros.com and the expert consensus and there's like, you know, 100 and something experts and none of those people said to start Marcus Mariota. And welcome to fantasy football. I mean, that's just fantasy football.

[Mike Wright]

You have egg on your face like a bunch of fools.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, the truth is, you know, just play the odds. Yeah, that's what you're doing.

[Jason Moore]

We're. It's about the process. Mike was saying this before the show. It's about the process. Not. We're not prophets. We. Nobody is going to get everything right. You guys listen to essentially some insight and the rationale behind why we do things. And then you make the decision. If you want to go with your gut and do that, you can. But I. We wouldn't recommend it in most situations.

[Andy Holloway]

So Andrew Luck, are we worried about him? Are we worried about that team? What I saw last night was a team that was very similar to what the Eagles look like this weekend, which was kind of a snowball, downhill situation where it just kind of got worse drive after drive after drive. I mean, I was on Twitter with that Gore fumble and just about I needed that Gore touchdown. And he busts outside and then he just. Here you go.

[Mike Wright]

And for me, what was fun is I was up by 17 points in my other primary league and the only player left on the opposing roster was the jets defense. The jets scored 16 points.

[Andy Holloway]

Wow.

[Mike Wright]

And so every fumble and interception was excruciating. And I was going back and forth with my friend who was laughing in my face, especially on that Gore fumble. And then I, I came out victorious.

[Andy Holloway]

Did. Would you do anything different? I mean, are you just rolling Luck out indefinitely? When do you hit a wall with something like that? Because people, the tweets have been coming in. What do I do?

[Mike Wright]

I get this is kind of like the Peyton Manning of last year, where it was. We, you know, the questions are coming in, when do I bench Peyton Manning? And I'm not saying you bench Andrew Luck, but I'm just saying that's a similar situation towards the end of the.

[Andy Holloway]

Year you're talking about.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

When the demise hit of Manning last year.

[Jason Moore]

I think there are situations on a matchup or if there's another guy where it's worth considering. But Andrew Luck is an otherworldly talent. He didn't show it this last game against a good defense and that team does look a little bit in shambles. But one thing I would just caution us a little bit on is Andrew Luck is amazing, but last year he had 40 touchdowns. Obviously the years before that were only 23 or something like that. 20 and 23. Last year he had so many dump off touchdowns to running backs near the goal line that we thought was going to be an aberration and then it continued and kept happening. So I would say this Andrew Luck is maybe not the absolute top end. He's going to finish the year as number one or number two type of quarterback, but he's still going to be better than most of the guys you're ever going to find on a waiver. So if you drafted him, you're probably forced into starting him. Or, or you can wait until he has a great couple of weeks, which he'll. He'll put together and maybe look to get some great value for him and beef up your roster elsewhere and then stream.

[Andy Holloway]

He did play two really good defenses.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not selling Luck. I'm keeping him and I'm playing the whole year.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you. Okay, putting you on the spot then. And I think I know the answer, but Carson Palmer plays at home against San Francisco this week. Andrew Luck plays against Tennessee.

[Mike Wright]

I would.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm sorry, Andrew Luck plays against. Is that right?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

That is tight.

[Mike Wright]

I would, I'd. I'd probably go with Andrew Luck.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Just. Just curious. So, all right. Once a week we like to go ahead and read a review from the listeners. All the reviews on itunes, subscriptions and reviews on YouTube really help us out. So we're gonna go and read one right now.

[Jason Moore]

Reviewasaurus Rex. This one comes in from Pawan Ethics as it's politics as usual. But they put a one in there. I got to read it as it is. And they say fantasy football podcasts tend to get very stale. There's a lot of numbers, stats and rankings which everyone. Which everyone obviously wants me included. But the fantasy footballers give you all of that and more. They entertain, they make you laugh, they blurt out straight nonsense looking at you. Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, what?

[Jason Moore]

You make up? No, he goes on and says, you make up for it in beard Beauty. Seriously, you guys are fantastic and I'm looking forward to the rest of the season with you guys leading the way. Keep being awesome. Well, thank you. Pawana ticks as usual.

[Mike Wright]

So dumb and beautiful.

[Andy Holloway]

We like to read, read those. Not to toot our own horn, but because this is a. We genuinely think of this show as a community of people, not just three guys in front of microphones. You know, we interact with everybody on Twitter and in email and on jointhefoot.com and. And so that interaction is great. And I appreciate the fact that he recognizes that we're not trying to just come on here and pretend to be, you know, throw five spreadsheets at you and tell you this is exactly what's going to happen this week. We are perspective orientated show. We like to bring our research and knowledge and the things that we know and help you make a good decision which results in a win, hopefully. And so let's go ahead and get into the news.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, I'm gonna quickly hit several of these and then you guys can give me your kind of thoughts. Your kind of thoughts. Not your regular ones.

[Mike Wright]

Well, what. What do I. My nonsense. I'll give you my nonsense.

[Andy Holloway]

I believe you said you blurt nonsense.

[Mike Wright]

So then I will blurt my nonsense.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, There you go.

[Mike Wright]

It will be blurted.

[Andy Holloway]

What's the latest on Drew Brees? We have some quarterbacks. Drew Brees, Jay Cutler. We know Romo's out. What are the late. What's the latest on our quarterback?

[Mike Wright]

The Drew Brees saga yesterday was quite a trip to follow because it was.

[Andy Holloway]

Saga. Yeah, you go saga.

[Jason Moore]

That was straight nonsense, man.

[Mike Wright]

Did I say.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you said saga. Saga, Isn't it Saga.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I can't believe I said saga.

[Andy Holloway]

If anything, I would have thought you'd say Sega. All right. Sorry to distract the.

[Mike Wright]

The saga of Drew Brees was. He was not injured at all there. No one was concerned. Then he was going to miss multiple games and now it's. Oh, his shoulder is kind of hurt, but he could probably play through it.

[Jason Moore]

The expectation is most likely that he's going to miss a few games. I think that that's.

[Mike Wright]

Is that what we're reading lately? The last thing I read was.

[Andy Holloway]

The last thing I read was the second opinion was taking place today. And the truth of the matter is, is if there's question about his health and his performances thus far, tell me, start somebody else right now. Do you agree with that?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, absolutely. The latest report is there's a reasonable possibility he can play week three. And if. If he doesn't, then it's television commercial. Superstar Luke McCowan is the next man up.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I would expect they have to pull those ads then.

[Andy Holloway]

If I had to bet, I would. Yeah. The. The backup.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's not the backup anymore.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Give him a couple of weeks. He's still the backup. If he won't start anyway, I think Bruce Breeze plays this week. That would. If I had to bet my house on something, that's what I bet it on. At its press conference on Monday, Texas coach Bill O'Brien said Arian Foster was day to day.

[Mike Wright]

Still don't know.

[Jason Moore]

So Arian plays this week. Do you just throw them right in the lineup?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep. Because I think that Lockenforce speculation about him playing last week was not completely unfounded in the sense that he probably is taking an extra week, maybe to be sure.

[Jason Moore]

He.

[Mike Wright]

And then there's the reports that he might not be back till week five.

[Andy Holloway]

But there is no maybe with Arian Foster. He's in and he's my guy.

[Mike Wright]

If he's playing, he's in.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

Because if he's playing, that to me, says that he's ready to go.

[Jason Moore]

But if he is playing, he's going up against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Doesn't you.

[Mike Wright]

You might play him injured.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

You might play him even if he is. Yeah. Not. Not active. All right. Fox Sports reports Eddie Lacy's ankle is. Was very weak and sore on Monday. Do you expect Eddie Lacy to play this week?

[Jason Moore]

Well, he doesn't play until Monday night, which gives him an extra day of rest. It also makes the waivers. We'll talk about this in a minute. But it makes the waivers a little bit more strategic. You need to put some thought into the James Starks grab. I expect. You know, for me to say I expect him to play or to not play is just a guess at this point. It's kind of pointless. I think there's a good chance of either. And you just got to watch practice. It's, you know, we're still on a Tuesday right now. Watch as the week goes on. If you're an Eddie Lacy owner, and we'll talk about this in a second, you've pretty much got to pick up James Starks. Although they have a bad matchup this week. Right. They're going up against Kansas City. So either option is not the best. A hurt Eddie Lacy or a full James Starks against Kansas City. I'm not sure I'm in love with either of those.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike Marvin Lewis Expressed confidence in Jeremy Hill despite the fumbling. I think that's what we said on the show. We thought he'd be okay, but it's not a good sign when GEO comes in and dominates and Jeremy Hill stands on the sidelines. So you're obviously starting Jeremy Hill.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's. If you have both and you have to make a decision on one to start, you're still going with Jeremy Hill until further notice. And I think he can recover from this. There Will. He had some fumbling issues last year and was benched in a very, very smart move by his head coach. Because you should always bench anybody who turns the ball over.

[Andy Holloway]

If you are a member of Jay Cutler's family and you were starting in this weekend, he will not be active for the Bears. He will miss at least a couple of weeks, and then Matthew Stafford will. We'll see if he plays this week, according to Jim Caldwell. So he's another guy you want to find a better option for. Tevin Coleman has been diagnosed with a bruised rib. Will be sidelined a couple of weeks.

[Mike Wright]

Are broken.

[Jason Moore]

I think it's cracked.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm sorry. Broken rib? Yeah. Bruised. He'd just be a baby.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, come on. Have you ever bruised a rib?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, no, but I know that.

[Jason Moore]

Where would he have bruised the rib?

[Andy Holloway]

Of course not. Yeah, sorry. My.

[Jason Moore]

He slips in the back of a lot.

[Andy Holloway]

My MMA days. I bruised him all the time.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, but.

[Mike Wright]

So he's going to miss a couple of weeks, and it's a pain threshold thing. He'll probably have a flak jacket, which does hamper running backs.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

You remember Trent Richardson in his actual good year? Well, by good, I mean his fantasy production year. He wore a flak jacket, too, because he broke a rib. Just, Just.

[Andy Holloway]

Just pointed out Eric Decker last night had a great game, but he hurt his PCL and they're wondering if he needs surgery.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he. The. The news is that he hopefully doesn't. It seems like he's not going to, but either way, when you hurt a PCL and you're borderline surgery, that's. Normally you're going to be missing a few weeks. So.

[Andy Holloway]

Good is Brandon Marshall.

[Mike Wright]

The answer to that is very good.

[Andy Holloway]

He's. He's great. He's great.

[Jason Moore]

He went from good to very good.

[Andy Holloway]

To great really quickly in this conversation. Yeah, he's always been great.

[Mike Wright]

It's like we're the Three Bears.

[Andy Holloway]

He's always been separation huge. I mean, he just manhandled three guys into the end zone.

[Jason Moore]

Although that was. I mean, in defense of the Colts. That was also after Vonte Davis went down and her other two cornerbacks were down. They were. He was literally going against practice squad type guys. Guys they just brought up.

[Andy Holloway]

And he did what he should have done.

[Jason Moore]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[Andy Holloway]

So last bit of news. Brashad Perryman. People want to know about him. He had a sprained pcl, which is what we were just talking about.

[Mike Wright]

A lot of PCL injuries going around. Yeah, that's the new hotness.

[Jason Moore]

Was that Andre Ellington? Yep, yep.

[Andy Holloway]

Man, every year there's something I'm going.

[Mike Wright]

To injure mine just so I can be on the list.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, well, we'll talk. We'll talk about you. The cool kids blurting host Mike Wright spotted running routes. Rashad Perryman. I, I think that's the funniest report when it's like, like, is there like a reporter in the bushes that his head pops up with. With binoculars? Oh, there he is running routes over there.

[Mike Wright]

It's not his head. He has one of those full on spy gear. Yeah. So no one can see him in the bushes.

[Andy Holloway]

What All Shefty gets all his news.

[Mike Wright]

All this, this says to me is it could be time to stash him.

[Andy Holloway]

Keep rolling out Steve Smith until otherwise noted.

[Mike Wright]

Right. But I'm saying the Ravens really need him.

[Andy Holloway]

Right? No, no doubt, no doubt. Let me ask you guys, any other impressions from the game last night? The jets are two and oh, the Colts are 02 along with the Seahawks. Those two teams might have been on a lot of people's super bowl list.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And Owen, two. What's. I think the probability is when you start, owing to, throughout the years, 11% to make the playoffs they were talking about.

[Andy Holloway]

I think both those teams probably make the playoffs.

[Mike Wright]

I think one of them at least will not make the playoffs.

[Andy Holloway]

That'd be interesting. Anybody else stand out from the game last night? Gore had an okay game in terms of like yards per carry and actually the way he looked on the field. But he fumbled on the goal line and didn't score.

[Jason Moore]

And, and they were also using Josh Robinson way too much because every time Josh Robinson got the ball, he seemed to just do nothing. Nothing with it. In addition to that, you have the. What I just lost what I was going to say.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, well, this is what I was going to say. Frank Gore, if you're concerned about his, his yardage, he has 88 yards. Frank Gore currently has as many yards as DeMarco Murray is on pace for. For the entire season.

[Andy Holloway]

I would not use DeMarco Murray as kind of A benchmark for anything right now.

[Mike Wright]

Just, just saying.

[Andy Holloway]

Our friend Joe on right over at number fire. What did he tweet that Arian Foster is currently only 11 yards off the pace of last year's leading rusher despite not playing.

[Jason Moore]

That's funny.

[Mike Wright]

And a true story is all of us are only 11 yards behind leading rusher last year.

[Jason Moore]

Chris. Chris Ivory is who I was going to bring up.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, okay.

[Jason Moore]

You know, he stole my brain away. Chris Ivory looked good as well. Did you see the play where he hurdled the man and ran a bunch?

[Andy Holloway]

But then the man, he hurdled the.

[Mike Wright]

Man and ran a bun and ran.

[Jason Moore]

A bunch to grandma's house we go, you know. But then Bilal Powell was used a lot in that game. You had Ivory kind of hurt this this past week and then they had a big lead. So I think it was an indication of game flow as to why Ivory didn't have an even bigger game. Ivory, even though he didn't have the greatest game. I know he won some people some leagues in fanduel. He did enough in fanduel to help out. And also Brandon Marshall was another great fanduel player for Monday night. He is a big Monday night player. If you yourself are not playing on FanDuel or if you have not yet experienced daily or weekly fantasy games, those are the next big thing that seems to be coming. There are over $75 million won a week right now on FanDuel. The way that the game works, it's a salary cap format, so you get to pick any players you want. You can choose from the entirety of everyone and you've got like a $60,000 budget on your team and you get to buy guys, put your roster together and you can go in head to head matchups just like normal fantasy football. Or you can go in big Giant tournaments and win a million dollars. But it's a fun game. It's fantasy football that you know and that you love. Brought to a new weekly awesome game. So here's what you do. Go to FanDuel.com, click on the microphone in the upper right hand corner and use our code Ballers. Ballers. Ballers. And sign up now for new users. Every dollar you deposit, FanDuel will match it with up to $200 that gets earned as you play. That is a bonus of 200 free dollars cash money. So don't forget to use our code ballers fanduel.com where every day is a new season. That's F A n d u e l.com Sign up today.

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[Andy Holloway]

All right, guys, we're going to take some time. We're going to get into the main event here, the waiver wire. See who we need to be paying attention to, what kind of fab budget we should be spending on these guys. And let's get into it.

[Jason Moore]

Let me in, coach.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's a cat.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you. All right, so waivers. There is a lot of waiver noise among around a lot of guys. This is week two. You probably have a couple guys that have put a couple weeks together and you have injuries. And so let's go ahead and talk through some of these. So let's start with the wide receiver position. This is one of the hardest positions in terms of waiver wire value because guys can have humongous games. And the question for us as fantasy owners, as fantasy team owners is does it sustain and would you start him? That's the question I ask is would I Start this guy because. Just because he's, you know, had a good week, do I want to put him on my bench? I mean, wait and see sometimes. So Stevie Johnson has had another good week. If he's on your waiver wire, he has to be rostered, Right?

[Jason Moore]

Has to be rostered because of exactly what you said you would start him. If he was on my team, I would pretty much put him in as a flex over on many of my teams. He would actually be my flex. I have confidence in him. I have confidence in him in the red zone. Antonio Gates is still out, so I like Stevie Johnson a lot. I'm not sure how many waivers he's on, but he's got to be.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you know his ownership percentage? Can you look at that?

[Jason Moore]

I can find.

[Andy Holloway]

I just. I'm curious. In the meantime, a guy whose ownership percentage is about zero or close.

[Mike Wright]

No, he's on. He's on Travis Benjamin's team.

[Andy Holloway]

He's on his own team.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

And Johnny Manzel's team probably. Maybe Travis Benjamin, I think he will likely be the most added guy that I would reason to bet that that's the case. He's probably the most added guy, at least of the wide receiver position. Benjamin came out last week and caught a long touchdown this week. He had two touchdowns with Johnny Manziel. And let me ask this in a way that favors a signing of Travis Benjamin.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. That offense has produced top flight wide receiver play from Josh Gordon in the past. If you don't have other weapons there, because I don't. I hate Dwayne Bow. He does. He's not even playing. I don't think he has any talent whatsoever.

[Mike Wright]

He's got a lot of money, though.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure he does. And heartline's not a big play guy. Hawkins is okay underneath. Do you sign Travis Benjamin and expect him to make these kind of plays? I mean, all year?

[Jason Moore]

No, no, no, no. That's. That's the best I can say is no, no, no. I believe. And you can look this up, I believe he's caught three catches in each of his two games. Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Three a game. Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So three catches is not going to normally yield you good production and the whole Josh Gordon thing, at some point someday in the future, we've got to be able to get past like every team. Whenever there's a bad quarterback and a bad offense, but one good wide receiver, it's always Josh Gordon did it. And it's like Travis Benjamin is not Josh Gordon.

[Mike Wright]

No. Because he's Travis Benjamin.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

And That's a silly comment.

[Jason Moore]

I'm just saying now it's a different offense, it's a different quarterback, it's a different team, even though it's, I mean, it's, I guess, technically the same team, but a different team of guys. And I just think, you know, that if that's the best we can do, the game plan of the Browns is not going to be to air it out. And I expect that he gets three catches a week or something like that and maybe he'll have those big weeks. But going to Andy's first point, would you start him? Would you grab him, put him on your bench and then say, you know, I'm going to roll him this week? If you have to do that in a deep league, maybe, maybe that's all right. But I feel like he's a little bit more of a waste, especially if he's going number one on waivers.

[Andy Holloway]

Reminds me a little bit of Alan Hearns last year who had a couple big games for Jacksonville but had limited target numbers.

[Mike Wright]

Travis Benjamin smells a little ogle tree esque.

[Jason Moore]

Stevie Johnson is owned in 54% of leagues.

[Mike Wright]

So you need to add Stevie Johnson immediately.

[Jason Moore]

He is a great ad.

[Andy Holloway]

Some other guys at the wide receiver position, I want to throw some names out there and you guys tell me whether you would sign them.

[Mike Wright]

Michael Crabtree, 100% over Travis Benjamin.

[Jason Moore]

I agree with that.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

If I have. If I have wide receiver need and I'm low in the waiver priority, I would put him on my bench.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Rashad Matthews, same deal with Crabtree.

[Mike Wright]

I mean he.

[Andy Holloway]

Same deal with Crabtree. What do you mean?

[Mike Wright]

Like if I'm low in the list and I need wide receiver help, I'll put him on the bench.

[Andy Holloway]

Matthews.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Matthews has done well the first two weeks, I think.

[Andy Holloway]

I think with Devonte Parker getting involved, I guess it will wait and see.

[Mike Wright]

Matthew Matthews isn't a guy who's going to hold that role all year.

[Andy Holloway]

Leonard Hankerson, he's low priority. Okay. Devin Funches.

[Mike Wright]

And Devin Funches is only on this list because Jericho Kotri is out for multi weeks, if you have not heard that. So he's a speculative AD at this point.

[Andy Holloway]

So really, from a starting perspective, Stevie's the one wide receiver you want to make sure you're signing and starting.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he is for me.

[Jason Moore]

And I'm going to bring up Ty Montgomery because he's not a guy you're going to start. But if you're putting these other guys on, I would rather have a Ty Montgomery than a Rashard Matthews.

[Andy Holloway]

He's the wide receiver for the Green Bay Packers.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, Ty Montgomery is the. Is the wide receiver for the Green Bay packers who looked great this last week. There's been, you know, Devonte Adams rolled his ankle. He's going to be fine for this next week. But my point in all this is if you can't start the guy, if he's not a guy that you're going to ever play, then I want a chip on my bench that could be something bigger. And I think Ty Montgomery has that talent and is on that offense that can do that. So I like Ty as a stash.

[Mike Wright]

And another name I didn't write down here, but Marvin Jones, he's another possible spec.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'd rather add Marvin Jones over most of these guys.

[Mike Wright]

Well, it's because you refuse to believe that Michael Crabtree is actually a decent receiver.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I didn't refuse to believe that. I just refused to believe that the number two wide receiver on a team that has a very up and down offense is worth owning compared to other guys.

[Jason Moore]

But it sounds a lot.

[Mike Wright]

So the number. Well, yeah, well, Marvin Jones is the number three though because Tyler Iferts clearly the two.

[Andy Holloway]

He doesn't play wide receiver though. He plays tight end.

[Mike Wright]

Option. I'm saying option.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. At running back we have Dion Lewis, Matt Jones, David Johnson. We have a lot of big names here. I want to kind of know how much you would spend to get these guys. Dion Lewis is somebody who, you know, it's always hard to bank on a Patriots running back and it's still hard to bank on a Patriots running back. I mean, I will be the first to admit I made a mistake thinking Blunt was going to get some work. He didn't. It was Lewis again who fumbled again who didn't. It didn't even matter and he got right back in. So I have no idea. I mean they need him in the verine role. So out he's starting to become safer is my point. Because of the fact that regardless of who gets it between the tackle carries, he's going to be involved in the passing game. And that offense is right now I believe that the second most points scored in the league and they just blitzed a Buffalo defense that at home that we thought was really. It probably is really good. And so Dion Lewis, I would. If he's on your waiver wire, what kind of money are you spending on him? In fab, I would certainly blow my waiver priority on Dale Lewis.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I agree with that. Oh, man, you're probably looking at if he's still on your waiver at this point. So a lot of people will have noticed by now. So I between 20, 30% of your fab.

[Jason Moore]

Of your fab, I would go 20% because I would grab him. I would, I would spend. But I'm not going more than 20% because of the Bill Belichick factor. I don't want to waste too much of my fab and then have a guy that ends up possibly hurting Jonas Gray. Right.

[Mike Wright]

Anybody.

[Andy Holloway]

Lewis is owned in 40% of leagues.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So he's available in most leagues out there.

[Andy Holloway]

So let's talk about Matt Jones because I think, I think we all like Matt Jones, the talent, all three of us on the show. I think we disagree with his value right now. Mike, you said you would flex Matt Jones.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Especially this week against the New York Giants.

[Andy Holloway]

And so was that. Is that a product of simply the statistics, his production this past week or is it. Does it go beyond that?

[Mike Wright]

It's, it's a, it's not the production, it's the snaps. He out carried Alfred Morris. Now, I'm not saying Matt Jones takes off and becomes running back one and just leaves Alfred Morris in the dust. I'm saying that seems like a higher RBBC committee situation going on in Washington than we had first anticipated because 19.

[Andy Holloway]

Carries is a lot of carries and they were up.

[Mike Wright]

So that was a game flow situation. But, but you're, if you're up, you feel like you're going to give it to your main guy, you know, the guy who's going to hold on to the ball, a proven guy like Alfred Morris and maybe Matt Jones, we don't know yet if what he is exactly. We don't know about his ball control.

[Andy Holloway]

So Matt Jones had 19 carries for 123 yards and two touchdowns on Sunday. Splitting carries pretty much with Alfred Morris. Believe he like Mike said he had about two less.

[Mike Wright]

I think one more like that, one more snap or one more carry.

[Andy Holloway]

So I think what you said there that stuck out to me is there is a trust factor with Matt Jones, them giving him the ball in that situation. So especially it was a close game. I mean St. Louis could have gotten back in that game very easily. So Matt Jones had a big game. He represents a really great waiver ad because you get even if I like I personally wouldn't flex him immediately like you would, but he's a great waiver ad because he's an upside talent. He has the ability to potentially take a role in a Huge rushing offense. I mean, they're a running team. 19 carries and only out snapping Morris by one. Says a lot of rushes.

[Mike Wright]

And with something that we haven't talked about, the offensive line coach, I'm trying to. Well, I can't think of his name right now, but he was. He was the offensive line coach in Dallas last year.

[Andy Holloway]

Bill Callahan.

[Mike Wright]

Callahan. That's where. Thank you. And the offensive line of Dallas was dominant last year. Now, clearly Washington's line is not dominant by any means, but they are severely improved upon last year. And the Dallas line, they look still good because they have a ton of talent, but they don't look like last year's offensive line.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, not yet.

[Mike Wright]

So maybe the factor of an offensive line coach is not being taken into consideration as much as it should be. So it. I look to. I like Matt Jones a lot as a speculative ad.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason, if you were in your waiver priority situation here, put these guys in order for me. Then for somebody out there who. Because this is what they're going to have to do. They're going to set their waiver priority at running back, put Lewis, Dion Lewis, Matt Jones, James Starks and Devonte Freeman in order.

[Jason Moore]

I would go Deion Lewis first, because I think he's got the best chance of doing it all year, and then Devonta Freeman next, he's going to be the absolute starter. James Starks after that and Matt Jones after that. Now, that's if I'm more of an Eddie Lacy owner. Otherwise, I would put Matt Jones ahead of James Starks. If I'm not, if I'm the Lacy owner, I'm looking for another option this week.

[Andy Holloway]

If you're the Lacy owner, don't you put Starks at the top of your.

[Jason Moore]

List as opposed to maybe, and it depends on your roster, because they're going up against Kansas City. I think there's a chance that as the Lacey owner, you might have to play Starks at Kansas City, in which case you put him at the top of your list. You pay a lot to get him. But if not, if you have any other option and you can flex him out this week, I think your better option might be to roll without your, you know, take the injury there and move on. But you should still absolutely grab him for the. But, yeah, I would put Dion Lewis at the top of this list.

[Mike Wright]

I'd go Lewis, Freeman, Matt Jones, James Starks.

[Andy Holloway]

Now, we did the world a disservice yesterday by not speaking the name of David Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

David Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

So David Johnson scores touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

All he does Is score touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

He's available in many leagues less due to that song. But what are your thoughts on David Johnson? Because he's about a 50% owned player, 46% of leagues he's owned now. Their offensive line is going to improve at Arizona. You know, we're Arizona natives. We know a lot about this team out here. Mikey Opati is coming back this next week. We just saw the 49ers get shredded pretty handily. What do you think about David Johnson moving forward and is he now the guy to own over Chris Johnson in Arizona because of his big play potential, because of the passing game and because of the fact that he going to get more carries?

[Mike Wright]

Not if you need a running back this week.

[Andy Holloway]

So you would start Chris Johnson over him in a standard league this week?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Just because of opportunity. You can't. David Johnson is not going to score a touchdown every time he touches the ball. And Chris Johnson is going to get more carries. David Johnson is still a speculative guy that I want on my bench because you have. He has to be earning more playing time. You can't have a guy come out and perform like this and then say, oh well, we're still going to give him the five carries.

[Andy Holloway]

He returned the opening kickoff for a touchdown and he had another touchdown run, about a 12, 15 yard run.

[Mike Wright]

And the dude is fast.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, when he fast returned, when he returned that opening kickoff, he had the fastest clocked time. They've got microchips in the shoulder pads now. Fastest clock time of anybody in the NFL so far this year. He is a fast, fast dude and personally I would much rather have David Johnson than Chris Johnson for long term.

[Mike Wright]

I agree for long term.

[Jason Moore]

But I'm saying if I have to choose on my waivers and I have to start a guy this week, I'm still going to take David Johnson and I'll start him because maybe he finishes a point or two behind Chris Johnson, but maybe not. And yet I've still got value going forward long term. So for me, I'd much rather have David Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

So before we move on from the running back position, one guy we mentioned in passing but haven't talked about yet, Devontae Freeman. Tevin Coleman is going to be out for a little while. Devontae Freeman does catch the ball a little bit. He hasn't been very productive on the ground, but he will get the lion's share of carries. So would you start him this week?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, absolutely. What is their matchup this week?

[Mike Wright]

He hasn't been very productive on the ground.

[Jason Moore]

They're going up against the Cowboys and the Cowboys run D looked pretty darn good. I do expect that they're going to get him involved in the passing game. I would probably still start him just because, yes, the opportunity is going to be there. You always want a guy who's going to touch the ball 15 plus times and I don't see how he doesn't touch the ball that many times given the fact that Tevin Coleman's going to be out.

[Mike Wright]

He just needs Julio Jones to go down on the one. That's all Freeman needs.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you're right. And so tight ends, which tight end are you looking to sign this week?

[Mike Wright]

Well, Jordan Reed for me is still at the top if he's available, which there's a possibility maybe that Jordan Reed is still there. And my next guy I'm looking at is Eric Ebron. He's getting, he's highly involved in the, in the passing game. He's getting a large share of the targets. Now this, some of this I suppose depends on Matt Stafford's health because if I think his Dan Orlovsky is the next man up in Detroit, we don't know what he's going to do and if he's most likely just going to feed Calvin Johnson, if he's the backup quarterback. But Eric Ebron is gaining the trust of Stafford and he's getting involved in especially in the red zone.

[Andy Holloway]

Nine receptions on the year for 96 yards, two touchdowns he scored in both games. He's played in five receptions, four receptions, and the game on Sunday he had 10 targets.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a lot of targets. That's the kind of thing you like to count on when you're streaming a tight end or you're looking for a value at tight end. Jason, is it Ebron for you? Is there another guy that stands out to you at the tight end position? And would you spend waiver priority?

[Jason Moore]

There's two guys. Well, I would pretty much spend a little bit of waiver priority on a tight end almost every week unless I've got one of those top end guys that, you know.

[Andy Holloway]

Kelsey, how do you spend a little bit of waiver priority?

[Jason Moore]

Well, a little bit of fab or I put him in my waivers and I'm willing to ruin my priority. But not at the top.

[Andy Holloway]

Gotcha.

[Jason Moore]

That's what I mean. So there's two guys I like Kyle Rudolph against the Chargers. The Chargers have a very good pass D, but the tight end has been getting through in each of the first two weeks. So I think that Kyle Rudolph Has a great opportunity to touchdown this week. That's what I try to kind of project with tight ends. And while it's not quite the same touchdown, Jared Cook I like a lot because he's going up against Pittsburgh. I actually picked him up in one of our leagues this morning. And Jared Cook has been heavily involved in the passing game. Pittsburgh's defense has been giving up a lot of yards to the tight end. So those are things I like. I like Jared Cook.

[Andy Holloway]

Kyro, this is another guy Cook, who's been five receptions in each game. And we know, you know, from years past he has the talent to be a pass catcher. And at least in this system, with a new quarterback, you might see some differences start to emerge. But six and seven targets in those games. The big stat line from the weekend.

[Mike Wright]

Was Davey David Crockett Gilmore of the Baltimore Ravens.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, thanks, dad. Crockett Gilmore, two touchdowns. Tight end. You know, when Dennis Pitta was there, very productive. Not a lot of receiving options.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, a Mark Tressman offense.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, do you just sign Crockett Gilmore and, and throw them in and then watch your opponent go, who's that? And then, I mean, we were all talking about when they, when they drafted Max Williams, the potential of Max Williams coming into an offense. Now he hasn't moved up the depth chart, but doesn't the same potential exist for the tight end position?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it does. I think the, his massive production is more a situation with the Raiders secondary, their safeties. But he's a guy that if you're, let's say you're a Jordan Cameron owner this week and we don't know if he's going to play. I might put Crockett on the bench as a one week fill in guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Why not? Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean week two is a lot better for him. Obviously not just with the touchdowns, but he had six targets versus four the week before and he caught five passes and they were downfield. I mean, his average catch was 17 and a half yards.

[Jason Moore]

The problem with him I have this week is he's going up against the Bengals and they've got a really good lockdown defense against the tight end. They haven't given up hardly anything so far. So I think there's better options on the waiver than Crockett, but he's looked really good.

[Mike Wright]

You don't get to sing an awesome song whenever he scores.

[Andy Holloway]

I always, I mean, I always take issue with kind of the how good you are against tight end statistic. I think that's just a really bad Statistic most of. The. Most of the time. Because there are a select amount of tight ends that are part of a game plan and are talented enough to produce. The Cardinals could be the very best against tight ends. If you go up against the four or five teams that don't have really productive tight ends, it doesn't mean Jimmy Graham's not going to go off on them.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Well, last week they played San Diego. Right. And Ladarius Green looked great. That's a team that uses the tight end.

[Andy Holloway]

Who played that? Who played San Diego?

[Jason Moore]

Sandy. The Bengals who are now going up against Crockett Gilmore. And so they didn't give up hardly anything to ladarius Green. Yeah. Who in week one was a monster and used like crazy. And San Diego uses the tight end. That. I'm just saying. I don't think that.

[Andy Holloway]

I think you're proving my point. You're not. You're not talking me out of it because I don't. I don't think that.

[Jason Moore]

Let's get across the Gilmore bet going.

[Andy Holloway]

Was Ladarius Green a monster?

[Mike Wright]

He was. Eek one. He was great.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Okay, let's. I'll.

[Mike Wright]

But I agree with the sentiment of your statement that when you're looking at how many points a tight end scored in a particular week, you need to factor in is the tight end a star did like did they play against Kelsey or Gronk and the. And those things got inflated.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Or have they been. Or have low end tight ends have been having success against that.

[Andy Holloway]

I would play Gilmore this week. I mean, Green had five catches against the Bengals. So any other thoughts on tight ends? Richard Rodgers comes to mind. Kyle Rudolph, we talked about.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I agree with Richard.

[Andy Holloway]

Anybody who signed Daniel or Fells from Arizona? Darren, he caught. Yeah. Darren Fells caught zero passes.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Because tight ends just not involved in Arizona.

[Andy Holloway]

We talk full stream ahead segment later in the week. Quarterbacks that we like to sign. Last week our streamers were who? Kaepernick.

[Mike Wright]

Kaepernick, Dalton and Fitzpatrick.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And they all had pretty productive weeks, multi touchdown weeks for each guy this week on the waiver wire. If you're looking to replace a Tony Romo or a Matthew Stafford or maybe even a Drew Brees, you're looking for a talent that has a good matchup this week and has the ability to produce fantasy points and kind of probably not have a really low floor. So what guys are standing out to you? Because there are three running quarterbacks or at least quote unquote running quarterbacks that are on a Lot of waiver wires right now. And Tyra Taylor, Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick. So who's your guy from those?

[Jason Moore]

Cam Newton is on a lot of waivers still right now after his week one look and I like his matchup this week against the Saints. I expect him to continue running the ball. So I would take Cam Newton out of those three. I would go Cam Tyro Taylor, then Colin and Colin wouldn't be very high because I think that is that in Arizona? I.

[Andy Holloway]

It is, yeah, it's in Arizona. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So I don't think Collins going to have a great week for himself. I could be wrong on that.

[Andy Holloway]

So which one did you take? You said Cam.

[Jason Moore]

I would take Cam. And then after Cam for me just. I'm ranking all the quarterbacks on the waiver. I actually like Alex Smith this week. I think the Green Bay game is going to be a more high scoring game, a little bit more opportunity to use Jeremy Macklin, to use Travis Kelsey and allow the weapons to get out and score.

[Andy Holloway]

For all of Alex Smith's crashing back to earth last week, those were two of the best corners in the league that they played against last week. And Macklin I think is a great buy low. I'm going to say it right now. I think he's a good by low in the sense that he hasn't been terrible but he hasn't scored and he hasn't put up huge numbers.

[Mike Wright]

He has been spectacularly average.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure, sure. But because of the matchup last week, coming into week three, I think he's a great buy low. I really do. I think he can, he can produce this week against Green Bay. So. And that kind of fits with what Jason was saying. Streaming defenses for this week, which teams have stood out to you and who would you start?

[Mike Wright]

Well, you have the Texans against the Bucks. That's a top one. I kind of disagree with Jason. I think the packers vs. The Chiefs is a decent defensive play. Falcons vs. The Cowboys, Cowboys struggling with. It's going to be the Brandon Wheaton show. No Des. So I think the Falcons are an okay play. The Steelers versus the Rams and the Patriots versus the Jaguars. These are. Those are five good options that are. That could be available.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's take some time and get into the listener mailbag.

[Jason Moore]

Mailbag.

[Mike Wright]

Mailbag.

[Andy Holloway]

What was that? I don't know. That's the type of blurting that gets those reviews.

[Mike Wright]

Then I will continue to do that.

[Andy Holloway]

You're kind of out of control with your dad jokes. All right, mailbag today. If you want to submit your own question for the mailbag, you can do so on the website thefantasyfootballers.com Click on the Submit a question button. It is very easy. You can also call us and leave us a voicemail. The Number there is 302464, TFFB. We like to play some of those voicemail questions on the show as well. So, Bryce in Minneapolis, I hate to panic on Jeremy Hill, but I was offered Jarvis Landry and Todd Gurley. Is this too tempting to pass up?

[Mike Wright]

Rest of team Latavius Murray, Frank Gore, David Johnson. So the running back depth, I mean, you're. You're really going all in on Todd Gurley, which we think Todd Gurley can be very good. But man, we don't know when he's going to play and we don't know when he's going to play and get actual workload. I love Jarvis Landry, especially in a ppr. He's been great. He has been fantastic. But I'm still going to hold Jeremy Hill.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, me too. I would not give up on Jeremy Hill from one game of poor play, especially when he's getting the support of his coach right now. And considering your roster, I don't think you can take that hit.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So here's a question for you. This is from Kid Fresh. All right, Kid Fresh has a question for us and he's 0 and 2 and he's wondering about taking Justin for set out for Dion Lewis. Is that something you do?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man. So Dion Lewis is playing the Jaguars and Justin Forset plays whom I cannot remember off the top of my head. The Ravens are playing the Bengals. Man, you might consider doing it this week. I mean, you got. Dion Lewis has just been fantastic and I don't know if I can do it, though. I don't know if I can sit Justin for set yet.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I don't know. That's a tough one because you're putting reliance on that offense and what Belichick's doing. But the matchup is not good for four set and the usage wasn't amazing for four sets.

[Mike Wright]

What are you guys doing? Am I the only one talking?

[Andy Holloway]

You're not. I just gave perspective.

[Mike Wright]

Your perspective stinks.

[Jason Moore]

I think you. I'm still rolling four set. I want Dion Lewis on my team and if I need to flex him, I would play him. But if I'm going to play him over an option like four set, that's pretty much a guarantee that he's not going to get a touch by Bill Belichick. I just know it. I know it in my bones that.

[Andy Holloway]

If I. Belichick looks at ownership percentage, I know for the week, he.

[Jason Moore]

He. That's pretty much his main game plan.

[Mike Wright]

And he also listens to this podcast and I got through to him with. You don't bench a guy simply because he fumbles one time.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, well, he's listening.

[Jason Moore]

Thanks.

[Andy Holloway]

Because he likes Dion Lewis and Steven Ridley must be the worst person in history.

[Mike Wright]

What else?

[Jason Moore]

Personal issue there.

[Mike Wright]

Steven Ridley did something like. Yeah, he just kicked his dog or something.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Mark in Detroit. At this point, Charles Johnson's just taking up space. Thankfully, he's my wide receiver. For any of these waiver pickups worth dropping him for. I'm gonna go through you guys. Say yes or no. Would you drop Chris Johnson? I'm sorry? Would you drop Charles Johnson for Travis Benjamin?

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Doug Baldwin?

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Taven Austin. Avon Austin?

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Ted Ginn Jr. No.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Leonard Hankerson?

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Marvin Jones.

[Mike Wright]

I'll put a maybe.

[Jason Moore]

I'll put a maybe on the last two.

[Mike Wright]

I feel like they're Marvin Jones. Charles Johnson is interesting because it's. He's, to me, kind of one of those.

[Andy Holloway]

How come we haven't talked about Ted Ginn Jr. That's fair.

[Mike Wright]

The floor is yours, my friend.

[Andy Holloway]

Isn't. He's the number one wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

On Carolina.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Jericho Kadri. No. Calvin Benjamin. Greg Olson got a pile of targets, but only came down with a few. I think you have to pay attention. I mean, this is a 2 and O team, and Cam Newton has thrown, I believe, two touchdowns last week. I just think this is a perfect example. I would much rather have Gin junior Than I would Ty Montgomery or Marvin Jones or any of the guys that are in that. Maybe they hit a home run this week. I'll just start a starter.

[Jason Moore]

Looking at this list, I completely agree with you, and I think Ted Ginn Jr. Needs to be moved up. Look, pre draft, right? Devin Funches, an absolute known unknown. Nobody who wasn't even that great. We would. We just love him because maybe he could be Kelvin Benjamin, who, you know, showed up on the scene solely because he was the only target. Well, that is Now Ted Ginn Jr. And I agree with you. I think we got to start. We don't like his name. Ted Ginn Jr. Has disappointed for a long time, and I think that's why.

[Mike Wright]

He'S different than Funches is. Funches is. You didn't know.

[Jason Moore]

Right? Right. But you still had high hopes because of the role, and the role has now Gone to Ted Ginn Jr. I think that that's firmly established that he's the number one wide receiver there.

[Andy Holloway]

And he does have. I mean, he has wheels. So at least he's not just a. If Kotri is the number one, which I guess he kind of was, right.

[Jason Moore]

Who'S getting Junior and Corey Brown?

[Andy Holloway]

You're not really. Okay, you're not really excited about Khadri because he doesn't have big play potential. He's older. Gin Junior. At least he has some big play potential.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, but to me, it's fine. It's. It's. I'm not doing it. Because you have. You have a quarterback who struggles with accuracy and you have a wide receiver who struggles catching the ball.

[Andy Holloway]

Now, unfortunately, I wish we could continue talking, but we've met our yearly quota of talking about Ted Ginn Jr. And I have to. Legally. Legally, I have to stop at this point. But you'll have to remember him. So, Ryan in Columbus. Hey, guys. Which would you recommend streaming in a 12 team, one quarterback league? I have Tyler Ifert and Delaney Walker. Okay, so choose between those. That should be obvious. The answer is Tyler Ifert, quarterback, Eli Manning or Tannehill.

[Jason Moore]

This week, I believe I like. Oh, man. I was going to say Eli, but isn't he on Thursday night? I hate playing Thursday night.

[Mike Wright]

Guys, Eli did okay last year on Thursday night versus Washington.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'm going to Eli, because Tannehill has a bad matchup this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it was nice to see Odell Beckham Jr. Come back to form. I mean, people. Where was he in week one? Well, there he was really, really good.

[Jason Moore]

Didn't he do almost all of that work in the first half?

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, he's. He's just so good.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, him.

[Andy Holloway]

When he makes the catch. When you watch him make the catch and hit the ground, his next burst after that, that's. I mean, so many yards after the catch from. I mean, his. His touchdown was about a, what, a 20 yard pass that turned into a 70 yarder?

[Mike Wright]

That's what he does.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what he does. All right, last question. Nicholas in Malta. Europe.

[Mike Wright]

Malta meal.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Jason Moore]

It is.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait.

[Jason Moore]

Nicholas from Malta Meal.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think that's what it says. You should be excited. This is somebody from Europe listening.

[Jason Moore]

Bonjour. I still.

[Mike Wright]

No, you're supposed to purposely get it wrong.

[Jason Moore]

I thought I did.

[Andy Holloway]

No, that is getting it wrong. You don't French in Malta.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Is Malta a Grecian island?

[Mike Wright]

I was moving off of Europe and it was a European language.

[Jason Moore]

So what were you gonna say?

[Mike Wright]

Konichiwa.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

That's how you do a dad joke.

[Andy Holloway]

Malta is between Sicily and the North African coast.

[Jason Moore]

You had to just look.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I know that. And they speak Maltese.

[Mike Wright]

All right, coming up next, our geography podcast. Stay tuned.

[Andy Holloway]

Didn't you say geography or something?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I botched that word horrifically.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, new to the podcast. This is funny, because the next line is new to the podcast. Loving the banter. Oh, you just spent too much time on tedgen jr. And Malta. So. Which makes me want, like, a malt, by the way. Just like a vanilla malt.

[Mike Wright]

Wait, wait, wait. Are you a malt person or are you a milkshake person?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm a malt.

[Jason Moore]

This guy's a malt.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm a huge he.

[Jason Moore]

Literally.

[Andy Holloway]

I get extra malt powder with extra malt. Yep.

[Mike Wright]

What about you?

[Jason Moore]

I love all things that are sugar. So I would take the milkshake and I would pour it on top of the malt, and then I would ingest all of it.

[Mike Wright]

I wipe my butt with malts. They are disgusting.

[Andy Holloway]

I didn't know if that was a good thing or a bad thing.

[Jason Moore]

No, it's a bad thing to wipe.

[Mike Wright]

Your butt with malt. Milkshakes are dominant.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, so somebody said, this is a great final question. When we say you're going to get wet with the water bets, what exactly do you mean? Will there be proof, et cetera? Well, yes, sir. We are actually going to pay out a bunch of those bets today.

[Mike Wright]

Every time we get going to pay the bets, something huge comes up and we are not able to do it. But we're.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we'll do it today.

[Jason Moore]

We really do pay those out.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So there were several this past week. I lost a Percy Harvin bet when I thought he'd have five receptions. He had four. I won the trifecta bet between.

[Mike Wright]

Hit the garbage button. Oh, the garbage land can.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey. Unfortunately for you, all of it counts. And so, yeah, we'll pay those out today. So you'll get to see those. Check out the website. The fancyfootballers.com or you will post them on Twitter at the FF Baller. So. All right, guys, we are going to have our mailbag.

[Mike Wright]

You could douse me in a malt and it would be. That would be a.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, seriously, why do you not like malts?

[Mike Wright]

Because it tastes like crap.

[Jason Moore]

That. Well, that's just stupid. That's stupid. And now nobody can listen to your opinion.

[Mike Wright]

Do you like Whoppers?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I like Whoppers. They're great. Of course I like Whoppers. They're malt balls. I would put. I would put Whoppers in a malt and eat that.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you for listening to another edition.

[Mike Wright]

Of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.

[Jason Moore]

Don't forget to visit us on the web at www.thefantasyfootballers.com and follow us on Twitter the Ffballers.