Fantasy Football Podcast 2015 - Week 4 Review, Studs and Duds, MNF Preview, Fantasy News

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary

Episode: Fantasy Football Podcast 2015 - Week 4 Review, Studs and Duds, MNF Preview, Fantasy News
Release Date: October 5, 2015
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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Week 4 Review

Surprising Performances:

• Josh McCown (QB, Cleveland Browns):
  Andy Holloway expressed surprise at McCown's performance, noting, "He played pretty good, you know, 356 yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions. That is not the line that I would ever expect from Josh McCown on the Browns." ([02:14])

• Kirk Cousins (QB, Minnesota Vikings):
  Jason Moore highlighted Cousins' clutch play, stating, "Cousins was jazz. He completed a clutch pass and then celebrated like a fourth grader." ([02:52])

• Gary Barnidge (TE, Cleveland Browns):
  Barnidge emerged as a fantasy asset with 67 yards and a touchdown, surprising the hosts. Mike Wright remarked, "Gary Barnage, man, that 67 and a touchdown." ([03:46])

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Studs and Muffins

Top Performers:

• Philip Rivers (QB, San Diego Chargers):
  Rivers delivered a strong performance with 23 completions for 358 yards and three touchdowns. Jason Moore praised his consistency, "If you have Rivers right now, hold on to him. The schedule is going to be great for him moving forward and he gets Gates back." ([17:06])

• Sammy Watkins (WR, Buffalo Bills):
  Watkins returned from suspension, earning the label "Sammy Biscuits." His performance was notable, and Andy Holloway hoped fantasy managers capitalized on his return. ([17:55])

• Chris Ivory (RB, New York Jets):
  Ivory showcased his ferocity with 29 yards and a touchdown, revitalizing his fantasy value. Mike Wright complimented, "The Ivory just looked... absolutely ferocious." ([31:54])

Notable Mentions:

• Drew Brees (QB, New Orleans Saints):
  Brees bounced back with an 80-yard touchdown, bolstering his fantasy standing despite previous struggles. ([18:38])

• Devonta Freeman (RB, Atlanta Falcons):
  Freeman exceeded expectations with multiple touchdowns, prompting Andy to admit, "I was wrong" regarding his previous assessments. ([28:54])

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Duds: Players Who Underperformed

Quarterbacks:

• Peyton Manning (QB, Denver Broncos):
  Manning had a lackluster game with 213 yards, two pickups, and one touchdown, raising concerns about his weekly reliability. Andy Holloway noted, "How do you start someone else over them" despite their high draft value. ([36:50])

• Matt Ryan (QB, Atlanta Falcons):
  While not a bad game, Ryan ranked 20th among quarterbacks, leading to discussions about streaming options versus sticking with high-name QBs. ([36:50])

Running Backs:

• Carlos Hyde (RB, Jacksonville Jaguars):
  Hyde struggled with 8 carries for 20 yards, leading to debates on his future value in fantasy lineups. Jason Moore suggested, "Fantasy wise, you hold on to him," but Andy expressed skepticism about his long-term production. ([38:19])

• Lamar Miller (RB, Cincinnati Bengals):
  Miller mirrored Hyde's poor performance with another subpar game, placing him low in weekly rankings. Andy advised, "Neither one of them are cuttable," but Mike was hopeful for improvement post-coaching changes. ([38:19])

Wide Receivers:

• Mike Evans (WR, Tampa Bay Buccaneers):
  Evans had a disappointing week with limited targets and a lackluster performance against a tough defense. Andy voiced concerns about his matchup consistency, while Jason remained confident in his target volume. ([26:37])

• Roddy White (WR, Atlanta Falcons):
  White underperformed with 2 receptions for 8 yards, prompting Andy to reminisce about his past greatness and question his current form. ([40:26])

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Monday Night Football (MNF) Preview

Seattle Seahawks vs. Detroit Lions:

• Matchup Insights:
  The Seahawks were favored by nearly ten points. Discussions revolved around Detroit's offense featuring Calvin Johnson, Choo Choo Abdullah, and Joy Bell, although Johnson was sidelined. Jason Moore mentioned, "He was out today," referring to Johnson. Andy and Mike debated between starting Abdullah or Rawls based on matchups and potential opportunities. ([11:15] - [12:30])

• Strategic Plays:
  The Steelers’ offense was highlighted with the return of Antonio Gates and Martavis Bryant from suspension. Hosts discussed the positive impact on the offense, especially in opening up the field and supporting players like Le'Veon Bell. Andy considered starting Martavis Bryant despite some reservations about his initial performance. ([05:00] - [07:10])

• Player Dynamics:
  The return of key players like Bryant was seen as a boost, and the hosts evaluated how this would impact the Steelers' offensive dynamics. Jason emphasized, "Martavis Bryant opens up the field for everybody." ([06:12])

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Fantasy News

Coaching Changes:

• Joe Philbin Fired (Miami Dolphins):
  The Dolphins parted ways with head coach Joe Philbin amidst poor performance and questionable play-calling decisions. Jason Moore humorously suggested he could take over as coach, highlighting the chaotic state of the team. ([19:13])

Player Movements:

• Martavis Bryant Return:
  Bryant’s return was a significant talk point, with hosts debating his immediate impact versus long-term benefits. Despite a rocky start, Andy was willing to start him in the upcoming week. ([06:12] - [07:16])

• Antonio Gates & Owen Daniels:
  With Gates returning, Andy and Jason recommended fantasy managers to consider signing Daniels, who was showing increased target volumes and red-zone involvement. ([43:00])

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Mailbag Highlights

Listener Questions:

1. Cece in Chicago's Dilemma:
   Facing a 19-point deficit with options between Abdullah and Rawls, Jason advocated for Abdullah's potential big-play ability, while Mike leaned towards Rawls based on consistency. ([44:09] - [46:02])

2. Evan and Livingston's Triple RB Decision:
   With choices among Jamal Charles, Arian Foster, Devonta Freeman, and Justin Forsett, hosts recommended prioritizing Charles and Freeman based on matchups and current performance trends. ([46:13] - [47:43])

3. Trade Evaluations:
   Discussions centered around trading Jarvis Landry and Jeremy Hill for C.J. Anderson and Amari Cooper. The consensus leaned towards retaining Landry and Hill due to inconsistent performances from Anderson and Cooper's potential availability. ([48:21] - [49:53])

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Conclusion

The hosts wrapped up the episode by encouraging listeners to engage with their community through jointhefoot.com, follow them on social media, and participate in their upcoming Twitter blitz. They emphasized the importance of building a strong fantasy team through informed decisions based on player performances and matchups discussed throughout the episode.

Notable Quote:

• Jason Moore on Devonta Freeman's Emergence:
  "Devonta Freeman hits the... He just five for 81 through the air, 14 for 63, 68 and three and played half a game." ([28:54])

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This summary captures the key discussions, insights, and advice shared by Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright during the Fantasy Footballers Podcast Episode 2015 - Week 4 Review.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Hello, everybody. It is Monday, October 5th.

[Mike Wright]

Whoa. That's what I'm talking about.

[Jason Moore]

It's Falcon Monday. Wait, Falcons are 4 0.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yes.

[Jason Moore]

We did this NFL show. So all Falcon references are referring to the team and not the bird. I thought.

[Mike Wright]

I wasn't sure if you were referencing.

[Jason Moore]

I could have said it's a Panther Monday.

[Andy Holloway]

I was wondering why you leaving the Panthers out? When did they play each other?

[Jason Moore]

Far less of a surprise than the Falcons are. Panthers. We have been in the playoffs a couple years in a row. Won the division a couple years in a row. The Falcons, however, who would have thought they could win 42 to whatever it was with no Julio Jones. Yeah, dominant, dominant performance by your guy, Devontae Freeman.

[Mike Wright]

We'll talk about that later.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we got a lot we're gonna go over today. Week four is almost in the books. We got a Monday night football game tonight. We're gonna preview it. We've got our fantasy rewind. We've got our fantasy stud muffins. We got some guys that, well, they poop their big boy pants. And so we'll talk about them and what you should do with them. If you wanna follow the show, you can go to the website thefantasyfootballers.com youm can follow us on Twitter heffballers. You can Visit us on jointhefoot.com our fantasy football community. You can also check us out on YouTube and see us. It took us a while getting the camera working this morning, but we're here.

[Mike Wright]

We're good. Good to go.

[Jason Moore]

So, quick question for the day. What player surprised you the very most in week number four?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, that's an interesting question.

[Jason Moore]

Go ahead.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to go with Josh McCown. Josh McCown seemed like a serviceable, very good quarterback that I did not think would be a serviceable, very good quarterback. I mean, he.

[Mike Wright]

I wasn't sure.

[Andy Holloway]

He played pretty good, you know, 356 yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions. That is not the line that I would ever expect from Josh McCown on the Browns.

[Jason Moore]

I will pick two guys cheater one is not my real fantasy selection, but Kirk Cousins surprised me that he completed a clutch pass, then celebrated like a fourth grader.

[Mike Wright]

I missed the celebration.

[Jason Moore]

Cousins was jazz.

[Andy Holloway]

He won the Super Bowl.

[Jason Moore]

He was so excited. I mean, I don't blame him. It was a pretty good throw. Really great catch by Pierre Garcon. I mean, just threaded the needle and won the game against Chip and tougher.

[Mike Wright]

In the streets up in Philadelphia.

[Jason Moore]

I'd say Duke Johnson's involvement was. Was heavy. I mean, that was nine catches. A really great catch in the corner of the end zone. Got his feet inbounds. Really good throw from Account. So I'll just. It's all Browns here, man. Well, they're not lost.

[Mike Wright]

I'll keep it going. I'll keep it going with the Browns with Barnage. Gary Barnage, who we thought was a. A just part of our equation of you plus or if you're tight end plus matchup with Raiders, you play them.

[Andy Holloway]

Which is still alive.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. Oh, yeah, that's still very much going.

[Jason Moore]

But Gary Barnage, man, that 675 and a touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's good stuff.

[Andy Holloway]

So our surprise of the week was.

[Jason Moore]

The Browns, even though they lost, that's. They're just a fantasy.

[Mike Wright]

We don't care about that.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, a fantasy bounty this week. So let's get into the rewind.

[Andy Holloway]

Weekly rewind.

[Jason Moore]

All right. If you saw the barn burner last night, the.

[Mike Wright]

You talk about Lance Dunbar's knee, you.

[Jason Moore]

Know, I think 99. Oh, we will talk about that. Just a second. I was gonna say 99 out of a hundred times. When the ball hits the upright like that, at that part of the upright, it goes through and somehow, some way, it didn't go through, but they still got the job done. So he got bailed out.

[Mike Wright]

And people, we've heard from some listeners that they like to hear about our league, so this is, this is worth mentioning. I have to say we had two guys playing last night, head to head. They were tied. They were. Or wait. No, no, no. He was. One guy was up one point and he had the Saints kicker. He was up one point. He kicks the field goal, he misses. He gets minus two points for missing a 30 yarder. And then we go into overtime. You think, okay, well, there's still very good chance that the field goal kicker will win the game, get some points. But C.J. spiller won the game and he lost because of that field goal. The clank was amazing.

[Jason Moore]

So in that game, Lance Dunbar tore his ACL mcl.

[Mike Wright]

That's the we think.

[Jason Moore]

We think. I was going to say that's not known, but that's the he did something terrible. Oh yeah, it looks not good.

[Andy Holloway]

Looked no fun.

[Jason Moore]

So I think the implication here is I'm buying. I know it sounds crazy because of the yards per carry, but I'm buying Joy Randle in a lot of leagues because the opportunity for the heel of goal line, at least some of the goal line work and then he's going to be on third down now with more opportunities to catch the ball. So there's just like a floor for Randall that I really like out of an RB2.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. What would not surprise me though is if they go and they buy a third down back like Pierre Thomas is still available. Ahmad Bradshaw, there's third down guys that you can get and I would not be surprised to see them pick somebody up.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's not a bad call. Reminder to everybody, Antonio Gates and Martavis Bryant are eligible to return this week from their suspension. So this means probably good things for Rivers and that offense. Although Ladarius Green caught a touchdown this week and then. Well that. That's good for Gates. Then Martavis Bryant will return. But he will return without Big Ben.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I still like him and he's great just in general for that offense. You finally Hayward Bay has been serviceable and worked out for that team, but he is not Martavis Bryant. Bryant really opens up the field for everybody. I mean we. You kind of had to figure Le'Veon Bell is going to be the biggest benefactor as far as fantasy production when Big Ben went down because they're going to have to lean on the run a little bit more. But Martavis Bryant opens that up even more for Le'Veon Bell and he helps Antonio Brown. I just. This is great news for the Steelers.

[Jason Moore]

And Vick can throw the ball really far.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, he can do that and I.

[Jason Moore]

Believe in the preseason he had a long one to Martavis.

[Andy Holloway]

And Bryant is also the type of guy who can get yards after the catch in a much bigger fashion than Hayward Bay. So he'll be much better when Big Ben comes back. But I agree with you, Mike. I'm willing to start him this coming week.

[Jason Moore]

You're willing to start him?

[Andy Holloway]

I am. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I am not.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

We'll have to look.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not starting the wide receiver two slash three of a Michael Vick offense in his first week.

[Andy Holloway]

I think that's completely fair. But this week when we look for our games ahead, we'll have to find a water bet. There.

[Jason Moore]

Fair enough. Let's talk about Andrew Luck. He did not play, missed his first game as an NFL quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

They didn't need him in Indianapolis.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, they needed him. That darn. That darn Jagger. I'm saying this, my friend said this last week I would pay Justin Tucker $20 million a year. The amount of teams that either lost or almost lost on the foots of kickers that had easy kicks. I mean, it's just ridiculous if he makes either of those field goals in, you know, in the Jacksonville Colt game, the Jaguars win that game and they get, you know, Lucky, so to speak, not having to face him.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not fair to be able to trade away Josh Scobie and still have him. That's the ghost. Either way, they're, they're, they're in bad position.

[Mike Wright]

I have actually started my son on a regiment to become an NFL kicker now. Yeah, well, they need, the kickers are needed.

[Jason Moore]

The problem is you can make some.

[Mike Wright]

Sweet cache and you know, you barely ever get hit.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you lose your job every, every 30 seconds.

[Mike Wright]

Not if you're dominant.

[Jason Moore]

No, teach them to be a dominant kicker.

[Mike Wright]

That's the, that's why I'm teaching him right now.

[Jason Moore]

There you go. I got my kids starting soccer today, so that's what you got to do. You got a chance for that. So let's talk about Luck real quick though. The Colts are expecting to have him on Thursday. This could be gamesmanship though, if he is really still hurt. So real quick. Do you expect Andrew Luck to start on Thursday Night Football?

[Mike Wright]

I, man, I'm probably, I feel about 50, 50 right now. Maybe 51%.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I'm exactly the same. 50, 50. And I don't think we can make any predictions before we see whether or not he's practicing. I mean, that's, you know, it would be silly to say, make a decision now. So I have no idea.

[Jason Moore]

Cecil Shorts dislocated his shoulder. Stevie Johnson has a strained hamstring. Daniel Fells has foot surgery, likely headed to the ir. This could, I mean, Donnell had a good. Donnell had a good game. He's got a few passes. And then the kind of dumpster fire that is the Miami Dolphins current roster. I mean, coaching situation. ESPN's reporting the head coach Joe Philbin is probably going to be fired. Now. The Rota World reported that it might be the defensive coordinator that takes the fall right now because they didn't like anybody that they could bring in in the interim. However, this team is not good shoo.

[Mike Wright]

The play calling is just It's a majestic thing almost. It's just such a car crash to watch the choices that they make where the game was actually not. It was out of hand. And then they started coming back and there was a sequence of events where they were on around the three or five yard line and they didn't run the ball a single time. Throw, throw, throw, got bailed out by a penalty then Throw, throw, throw, throw.

[Andy Holloway]

How many touchdowns did they get out of that?

[Mike Wright]

They got zero.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, and that's not even the first game they did that. They did that last week too. And what's going to happen here is if Philbin is fired, they're still going to probably keep Bill Lazer, who's calling the plays anyways and maybe nothing changes if Bill Lazer goes out. I'm much more happy about the changes in Miami because then they'll have to be a team that calls run plays more than, you know, seven a game.

[Jason Moore]

I still believe that the front four on that defensive line and whatever they're doing there is not working. I mean that those four guys were sack masters last year. What about you bring in sue and they have zero across the front four defensive line?

[Mike Wright]

Well, zero sacks, but sue did have a sweet kick to. I think it was Fitzpatrick's head.

[Jason Moore]

Well, you do one of those a game because no matter where you go, Detroit, Miami, you can always kick the other team when they're beating you. So anything else that we want to talk about in the fantasy rewind guys, before we start talking about the games and the, the stud muffins and such.

[Mike Wright]

Are we, are we moving to Monday night game? Are we moving forward? What are we doing?

[Jason Moore]

We are moving forward here. Do you want to talk Monday night right now?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, I do.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, so we, so Seattle faces Detroit. The lines almost 10 here in favor of the Seahawks.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So I've had a hard time kind of figuring out what to expect from this game probably because my brain tells me that, you know, this, this high flying offense has to figure something out. Right.

[Mike Wright]

Which?

[Jason Moore]

Detroit. Oh, Detroit's offense has to be. I mean they have Calvin Johnson, they have, they have Choo Choo Abdullah, they've got, they got Joy Bell.

[Mike Wright]

Don't gloss over your man.

[Jason Moore]

No, he's out today.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I was going to say they've got an upgrade. They got Zach Zinner in today.

[Jason Moore]

Maybe how many carries over under seven carries for Zach Zinner?

[Mike Wright]

I hope it's over, but I'm going to go under.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think right around there.

[Mike Wright]

But I've had Lots of questions of. Do you go Rawls or Abdullah?

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

I've had tons of these questions, and I think it depends on your situation totally. But I think Rawls is the safer play.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I think he's going to get guaranteed points and the.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, the goal line.

[Andy Holloway]

One of them gets to go against the Lions, and one of them gets to go against the Seahawks, so.

[Mike Wright]

Well, Abdullah could decide to turn right, I guess.

[Andy Holloway]

I guess if. If Abdullah can go against the Lions, definitely play him.

[Jason Moore]

That's very good advice.

[Mike Wright]

It's like, you guys remember rock and jock on mtv where they would rock and jock softball.

[Jason Moore]

I didn't have cable, bro.

[Mike Wright]

Well, you missed out.

[Jason Moore]

I grew up with that cable you missed out on. Some of you guys ever see pbs?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Public. Public television?

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

That's what we had.

[Mike Wright]

Without cable, team players would constantly be traded in the middle of games. So fingers crossed, Abdullah could go over to Seattle where they commit to the running the game.

[Jason Moore]

I'm very excited about Jimmy Graham. I believe Jimmy Graham's gonna have a great season. I think we saw what he'll do last week. Still running routes. They got to involve him. And without Marshawn lynch, the offense has to funnel a little bit heavier through Russell Wilson, who's been okay for fantasy so far.

[Mike Wright]

Did you see the. It's kind of jumping back to the other game, but the quote of Clay Matthews taunting Colin Kaepernick.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, I did.

[Mike Wright]

Saying, you are not Russell Wilson.

[Jason Moore]

He also kissed his bicep after a sack.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, that is just doing him dirty.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, Clay Matthews has a very fun attitude about it, though, because he's just kind of like, you know, we're grown men clowning on each other out there. It's not a big deal. I make it up as I go along.

[Mike Wright]

He's not J.J. watt, where he, like, it feels serious when he rips off the other person's celebration.

[Andy Holloway]

That being said, isn't it really a compliment to Russell Wilson? Because that's.

[Jason Moore]

Of course.

[Andy Holloway]

I think.

[Jason Moore]

I think that that's, like, the whole point.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, well, right. But I just mean, from me looking, I would assume it would be just as hard to chase down Russell Wilson or Colin Kaepernick just watching them on the field. But his admission is like, no, no. It's not as hard to chase both guys.

[Jason Moore]

Nice sneakers, bro. All right, let's. Let's move it on.

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[Andy Holloway]

This week's fantasy stud muffins.

[Jason Moore]

Let's talk about. Let's talk about my start of the week.

[Mike Wright]

Let's.

[Jason Moore]

The number one. He ended up the number one. Is that right?

[Andy Holloway]

That is.

[Jason Moore]

I didn't even know that until you told me that thus far, we still.

[Mike Wright]

Have two quarterbacks to go, Russell and Matthew, who will not be the number one quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

So Phillip is in the top three no matter what.

[Andy Holloway]

No matter what.

[Jason Moore]

So Philip Rivers, 23 completions for 358 yards, three touchdowns. It took him a little while to get going in this game. He only had about 12 points at halftime. In fantasy, however, he got it done.

[Mike Wright]

And I believe there was three missing starters from his offensive line. So that's what happened. If you watch the game early on it was. There was. There was a particular play near the very beginning of the game where the linebackers just hit the A gap and came running completely free right up the center. It was ridiculous. And they. So there's a credit to that team and that offensive line coach who managed to get things going together because they had. It wasn't just Rivers. I mean Woodhead had a pretty decent game. Melvin Gordon was. We really liked him but the game flow just didn't work out for him. But Rivers was great. If you, if you have Rivers right now, hold on to him. The schedule is going to be great for him moving forward and he gets Gates back.

[Jason Moore]

He had a great game. Sammy Biscuits. Sammy Biscuits.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's back.

[Andy Holloway]

I hope people made some money on those gbps. We were like maybe throw him out for a fanduel bigger tournament because he was, you know, he finished great. I think he finished as the touchdowns number two maybe.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Sam Bradford had a good week. He had a 39 yarder to Miles Austin days past.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Drew Brees came back with a big game last night. Ended with an 80 yard touchdown which always boosts the stats. But he's 359 and 2 and we talked about McCown and Cousins. Both of those guys completed a lot of passes. 356 yards for McCown, two touchdowns. Kirk Cousins had 290 yards in a touchdown. Although I'm not signing or starting Kirk Cousins anywhere. This is just more like his mom called and wanted us to mention his name.

[Mike Wright]

However, I think we, we need to start taking Josh McCown serious as a streamer.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Mike Wright]

But this is back to back high volume weeks. It's just he's got to be.

[Jason Moore]

Johnson helps that offense a lot.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

From a standpoint of like you can take it out of the backfield and do something with it. Young legs, fresh legs.

[Mike Wright]

Duke really got it done in the passing game though that the touchdown, the deep touchdown was just. That was a great pass and a really good catch. Yeah. So it was a fantastic play overall. Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Breaking news.

[Jason Moore]

Let us have it Joe Philbin has been fired.

[Mike Wright]

Sorry, Sorry, Joe. But hashtag sorry, not sorry.

[Jason Moore]

I tweeted a little note about Joe Philbin over the weekend that I won't repeat on the show.

[Andy Holloway]

Now, out of curiosity and the breaking news, is the defensive coordinator and or offensive coordinator still around?

[Jason Moore]

Let's see. I don't know yet. Very breaking entire coaching. Extremely breaking.

[Andy Holloway]

They should do that.

[Jason Moore]

No, Domicon sue has kicked Joe Philbin in the head. Wait, that is not a real news story. Okay, so he's gone. This can only mean nowhere to go, but. Nowhere to go but up.

[Mike Wright]

You have to hold out the whole. Here's what you do.

[Jason Moore]

You guys want me to take over as coach? Because I can tell you what to do. Do you want to know?

[Mike Wright]

I want to know.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, first, on offense, you get Lamar Miller more involved and you get devontae Parker more involved. You don't keep throwing the ball to Greg Jennings or rotational Rashad Matthews as your number one guy. While they tried to throw to Guinea Stills, he finally caught one at the end of the game, but they kept throwing all over the place.

[Mike Wright]

The play calling is of how many fades do you have to miss on before you think, okay, we've missed five times in a row. Maybe we should hold off on calling the fade passes?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it was gross. So that's where I would start on the offense is I would, I would use your first round pick. No, I would, I would involve him in the offense. You know, he's a giant superstar in the making and you, you throw him like no passes. Actually, the only contribution I saw from him yesterday was the touchdown that got called back because of the pick.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

The one to Landry. So kind of disappointing there. So. All right, wide receivers that had big games. Tavon Austin, Tavon, there's got to be nobody better than him in the screen game. And the wide receiver screen, he just always seems to, you know, he plays with a Fury. He had two touchdowns, 96 yards through the air. He had another 20 or 25 rushing. Do you, do you start to consider Tavon Austin a flexible guy?

[Andy Holloway]

He's getting close. Here's what I consider him right now, because watching the game, he was as fast as he's ever been. And that's always been his huge thing. They're using him more and more, targeting him more. So he is now not flexible yet, I don't think. But he is rosterable. And before I have, you know, seen him on waivers and left him on waivers. And now you really do have to consider it, especially with the Emergence of Todd Gurley going to open things up there.

[Jason Moore]

You guys want to hear a funny stat?

[Mike Wright]

Of course.

[Jason Moore]

Always. This one comes from field Yates, by the way, so got to give him credit. Field Yates. The Patriots hired Bill Belichick in 2000. How many combined coaches has the rest of the AFC east had in that time?

[Andy Holloway]

Just that division.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Wow.

[Mike Wright]

So that's been so three teams in 15 years.

[Jason Moore]

15 years combined.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to go with 25, 21.

[Andy Holloway]

21.

[Jason Moore]

21 coaches for the AFC East. So, you know, I've always been the kind of. I mean, you have to have the right guy, but. But the way Cincinnati's done it, the way New England's done it, you're going to have down the way. The way the Giants have done it. Jason and I were talking about this with Coughlin yesterday and say what you will about Coughlin, you can like him, you cannot like him. They've let him work through tough times in the division. I think the Giants win this division, by the way, this year. And I think it's just a testament to Coughlin. This will be the third time they've been, oh, are they gonna fire Coughlin and then he comes out and wins the Super Bowl? Yeah, I know the last two times.

[Andy Holloway]

It was like, oh, they didn't fire him. Oh, he. He just got us to the Super Bowl. He gets two more years and then by that time they're about to fire him and he gets him back to the Super Bowl.

[Jason Moore]

Crazy. So. All right, Alan Hearns, start of the week by Mike the fantasy hitman. 11 for 116 and a touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

I tip my cap.

[Jason Moore]

That's beautiful. I remember getting the tweet this week or the text this weekend that said Hearns td.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I was, I was very excited.

[Jason Moore]

We want to come through for you guys.

[Mike Wright]

I was happy with just the touchdown. And then he decided he was going to have his. The best game of his career.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, well, I mean, that's a good time to call him your start of the week, don't you think?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And then Vincent Jackson reappeared.

[Mike Wright]

You got to hit the button for Vincent.

[Jason Moore]

Why, why have you not put. There's a name missing, by the way, in this wide receiver list. Yeah, who.

[Mike Wright]

Who are we missing?

[Jason Moore]

His name rhymes as smearmy schmacklin.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, because I just went through. I was going through the tops.

[Jason Moore]

Uh huh. Yeah, he was kind of one of the tops.

[Mike Wright]

You're right.

[Jason Moore]

He just didn't score a touchdown. But he was like 11 for 149.

[Andy Holloway]

He was the sixth highest wide receiver this week, so.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Well, he's higher than Mike Wallace and Leonard Hankerson.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm sure he is one higher than Mike Wallace.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

And he is two behind Leonard Hankerson.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, Hankerson scored. Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Jeremy Macklin had a great game.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you. That's all I wanted.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And I just wanted you to say that without me having to hit the garbage man button.

[Andy Holloway]

One other guy that's fair. Worth mentioning because of future injury as well who had a top 10 wide receiver game was Kmar Aiken. And with Steve Smith being out, I think he's a name he should keep on the radar.

[Jason Moore]

He can be started next week if you need to. I'd rather start Kmar Akin next week than.

[Mike Wright]

Is it Kmart? Is it Kamar?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I kind of follow Jason's lead there, but I believe it's Kamar, but.

[Mike Wright]

Well, we gotta hit the YouTube again.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. All right. I do. Leonard Hagerson had a good game that game. I'm going to share my story from the league.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

This is called Nightmare. It's called. It's called the Nightmare. I had. I was playing Mike. I lost to Mike handily. I had Arian Foster and Julio Jones. And the worst combo of events happened in that game where just a boat racing. By the way, this was my almost upset of the week. That is now going to be called the almost. Almost upset of the week.

[Mike Wright]

When it was 00.

[Jason Moore]

It was almost very close. I mean, just ridiculous. I think I've picked the two biggest blowouts the past two weeks. So I'm like 2 for 4 now on the year, which is whatever. They're tough picks, but this is terrible because they scored a million points. And so both of the guys didn't even play in the second half. I mean, it was like every time I looked on my phone, it was the Falcons with the ball and a guy named Ward keeps running the ball. And you knew there was going to be no Arian Foster. They're going to save him for Thursday night. And they don't need to throw the ball to Julio Jones because this game was over before it started. So four, no Falcons, but I got no points out of those guys. I started Mike Evans for those that are. You know, we just talked about Vincent Jackson. Do I believe. Who do I think is better rest of the year? Mike Evans. By far.

[Mike Wright]

Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Not even close. He had a billion targets, but he went up against Norman.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I was going to say he got the Josh Norman effect. That dude is a bad man.

[Jason Moore]

He is. And that team is a great team because of him.

[Andy Holloway]

So let me ask you guys this, because I have a little bit of a hard time right now trusting a start in either Mike Evans or Vincent Jackson, because I don't think the Tampa Bay offense with Winston is going to put up enough points through the air for both to have a good week. So I feel like you're just rolling the dice and either one of these guys can win you a week. But. But they could also be guys in your roster that lose you a week. And so I'm not. I mean, Mike Evans, I agree, is the guy to have there going forward of the two, but I'm not thrilled about having him on my team where I've got to choose to start him and go, is this going to be the week that he gets in the end zone? Because if he doesn't, I mean, it's. It can't go to both guys enough in that offense.

[Jason Moore]

I don't agree. We'll just disagree on that one. I think Mike Evans has more than a sustainable amount of target numbers coming his way for the remainder of the season. He had 17 targets last week. He didn't score last week. He still put up 15 fantasy points. He faced Norman this week. He still had eight targets this week. He's just too big, and they're going to be down by too many points. I mean, we saw this last year. They were a terrible team last year.

[Andy Holloway]

So are you saying you. You are comfortable starting Mike Evans? Let's say you don't have Mike Evans and you've got Vincent Jackson. Are you comfortable starting Vincent Jackson?

[Jason Moore]

I'm comfortable flexing Vincent Jackson.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, so you think I'm a wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

I'm a two on Evans. I'm a flex on Jackson.

[Mike Wright]

I'm a. I'm a two on Vincent Jackson.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, it doesn't mean I disagree that they're not that good. It doesn't mean that I disagree that one guy's gonna be higher than the other, but that's kind of par for the course. I mean, even Julio can have a day where he's.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

Julio and Brown. Antonio Brown. I thought I was in the gold here where Mike started Antonio Brown and he got five points or whatever, and I'm like, oh, Julio should triple that. Nope, got less. Just happens sometimes. So. But the target numbers are what I look for, and I like the target numbers there. And they're. They're going to be losing a lot of games. So. Mike Wallace did score a touchdown. I thought I Thought about making him my start of the week last week because of the fact that Charles Johnson wasn't playing. They're facing Denver. You know, he had a good game.

[Andy Holloway]

That would have been bold.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't. I almost started. I almost benched Foster right before the game.

[Andy Holloway]

I know.

[Jason Moore]

And put Eddie Royal in because Cutler was gonna play. And I'm like, well, if Royal's the lead dog with.

[Andy Holloway]

And then he immediately gets a touchdown, right?

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

Right afterwards.

[Mike Wright]

That was great.

[Jason Moore]

All right, running backs, Devonta Freeman. Devonta Freeman hit the.

[Mike Wright]

Mr. Freeman, some things might have been said over. I'd like you to quote them over the off season. I believe the words he stinks were. Were said by some panelists in this. Some panelists, mostly myself. And you have. You have proven me very wrong right now. So, Mr. Freeman, this is a heartfelt apology. You are playing fantastic and. Yeah, that's what I have to say about that. I've been wrong.

[Jason Moore]

He's three more touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

That's just every week. He puts up three.

[Jason Moore]

And he just five for 81 through the air, 14 for 63, 68 and three and played half a game.

[Mike Wright]

He just. When he's on these scoring plays, it's just him rocketing. He looks up the middle.

[Andy Holloway]

He looks like eyeball test. All of a sudden, he looks like the. Like Barry Sanders. I mean, he's just, like going nuts on the field. He looks so fast, and he did not.

[Jason Moore]

I have a very funny comparison for him.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Because I think it might reflect his skills, because I don't think his skills are through the roof. Okay. He kind of reminds me of Noshon Moreno in the fact that he runs so darn hard and wants. You know, Moreno ran wanting the next yard, and that made the difference. It's like Freeman gets some confidence behind him and he's once. The next yard. I don't think his skills are top 20 in the NFL. I just think he just. The offensive line is playing very good in Atlanta. I mean, do you just. So the question for fantasy owners, which we need to be bending these things towards, obviously, is, is do you just keep rolling Freeman out?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you have to.

[Jason Moore]

Or do you. Do you sell him because you anticipate Coleman coming back in a couple weeks and splitting the low.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm fine selling him. If you can get great value, like RB1 value. Exactly. If you can get RB1 value, I'm fine selling him because I don't expect him to keep up. I mean, obviously he's not going to keep up this pace. But I don't necessarily expect him to be a top 12 running back from week five to the end of the season. I think he has the potential to do that, so I'm fine selling him. However, if you have him, you have to start him. There's no reason to think that the 4 and O Falcons who are working with this formula are going to have Tevin Coleman come back and go, well, sorry, Freeman, get to the back of the line. Not going to happen.

[Mike Wright]

Clearly the team thought Coleman was the guy. If you look at the snap counts and the touches in the first couple of weeks, it was Coleman. That's who the team was grooming. But Freeman has emerged and you can't, you can't ignore what he's done.

[Jason Moore]

Devonta Freeman or C.J. anderson rest of season two, I assume.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

So, yeah, I think you can probably get RB1 value for him in most leaks based on a repeat three touchdown performance for a lot of owners. So pay attention to that. If you can get, you know, if you can swap Devonte Freeman and another guy and get back in Adrian Peterson.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Or love Bell.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

Because people are buying into the.

[Andy Holloway]

You cannot trade too much.

[Jason Moore]

For now we've said that. All right. Jeremy Hill, he had nine carries for 40 yards and trace three touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. The market corrected itself with all those passing touchdowns that they were getting.

[Jason Moore]

I agree. And I wasn't happy about it because I played against Jeremy Hill, but I was happy because there were three guys we thought would bounce back this week on the show. And it was Justin Forsett, it was Jeremy Hill, and it was C.J. anderson. And two thirds of the two out.

[Andy Holloway]

Of three ain't bad.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, not bad.

[Jason Moore]

So Chris Ivory had a monster game. What were your impressions of Chris Ivory, Mike?

[Andy Holloway]

Good.

[Mike Wright]

That was, that was a pleasant surprise to wake up to. The Ivory just looked. That's the Ivory we remember look. Looking just absolutely ferocious. His line is helping him out, getting him gaps to run through.

[Jason Moore]

It looks like he runs on a field. That's that point down, that's pointed down. So when he hits a guy, gravity pulls them in this direction.

[Andy Holloway]

You never see him not pick up the extra yard or two lean. Nobody ever pushes him. And he, he doesn't fall backwards ever to like lose that yard. And the truth is they rested him last week because of his.

[Jason Moore]

They arrested him. Yes, he's been arrested.

[Andy Holloway]

They rest by the Jets. Oh, last week. For his hamstring troubles.

[Jason Moore]

Quad, quad, quad.

[Andy Holloway]

And clearly they feel like he was over that because I kept waiting for them when they were ahead to stop giving him the ball. But they're going, no, he's over the injury. They've got a bye week coming up.

[Jason Moore]

That made a big difference.

[Andy Holloway]

So you saw the reason in the preseason.

[Jason Moore]

He's 12 back the rest of the year.

[Andy Holloway]

Absolutely, 100%. And he's a guy that on a bye week, I would try to trade for. Because sometimes people go, you know, if they need a player, if they.

[Jason Moore]

29 for 166, that's pretty good. One touchdown, and Stacy's mom took one touchdown from him, which was so disappointing.

[Mike Wright]

That was.

[Andy Holloway]

It was not fair.

[Jason Moore]

Doug Martin had a big game. Actually, that's not really true. He scored his touchdown early.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

But he got 20 for 106 and a touchdown 5 for 37 through the air, which certainly helps Duke Johnson. We talked about him and we had the debut of the girly show, and, man, did it look good.

[Mike Wright]

Well, for three quarters it looked horrific.

[Jason Moore]

Not three quarters, no. I mean, the first half, it looked horrific. The second half, he was.

[Mike Wright]

He had over 100 yards in the fourth quarter.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, but. Okay, so you're saying he picked up most of it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Which. And that's not a knock on Todd Gully. That's actually. That's a positive thing.

[Jason Moore]

They knew they were running the whole fourth quarter and the Cardinals couldn't stop.

[Andy Holloway]

That's.

[Mike Wright]

That's why it's positive for me, because a running back is not. You want him to get like three yards, five yards. You can't get these one yard, one yard. But when a running back gets better as the game goes along, that. I mean, that's Adrian Peterson style. If. If you. If you've ever actually watched Peterson, which most people have. But I'm saying Peterson doesn't just come out of the gate all the time and run six yards here. And he wears the defense down just.

[Andy Holloway]

Like this last game.

[Mike Wright]

And he's just so strong that by the end of the game, they can't tackle him anymore. And that's what Todd Gurley did.

[Andy Holloway]

And this was in Arizona against a super tough run defense with the crowd behind him, watching him be able to pull away from speedy guys. He looks deceptively fast. And you know, I had told some people wait to try to buy Todd Gurley after this week, because he was going to Arizona. Yeah, good luck against that run, D. Yeah, good luck buying him. But if you can, I would. I would love to have him based on what I saw and what I didn't see, which was no Trey Mason.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no, he was there.

[Andy Holloway]

I know he was there. But my point is just he was not the. He was. It was the girly show. That's what it's going to be.

[Mike Wright]

When I said he was there, that's.

[Jason Moore]

What I've been saying. I mean, I expected him to be fantasy relevant this week, guaranteed next week and that you don't spend a pick on him and a talent like that, you just leave him on the field. 19 for 146. He could have scored. Probably coming around the edge at the end of the game.

[Mike Wright]

100%.

[Jason Moore]

Could have played the smart play and went down. Tight end wise Martellus Bennett, 11 for 83 and a touchdown and he was a start of the week. Charles Clay was the start of the week, 9 for 111 and had a touchdown taken away from him, but he still had a monster game. Kobe Fleener was 9 for 82 and a touchdown. We saw Dwayne Allen inactive before the game and then we talked about Gary Barnage. Six for 75 and a touchdown moving forward. Do you start Clay and Bennett? Obviously you probably do.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

What about Fleener in the future if Allen's out?

[Mike Wright]

If Allen is out, you can play him.

[Jason Moore]

How much of this was because of Matt Hasselbeck?

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think it was too much because of Hasselback. I think Luck would have used him too. I think it was more because Allen.

[Jason Moore]

Was out and then Gary Barnage. Do we just.

[Mike Wright]

You got to play him.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

You got to play. Move.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's talk about the guys who didn't do so well.

[Andy Holloway]

Hooped in his big boy pants.

[Jason Moore]

I actually think this segment is one of the more important ones that we're going to do all week because we're going to talk about guys that didn't perform. And this is trade season. This is sell season. This is do I stick with these guys and keep rolling them out or not? So at the quarterback position, we have Peyton Manning. Peyton had a very lackluster day. A couple picks, one touchdown, 213 yards through the air. Is this kind of what we're going to see? Is this a defensive led Broncos team where man, he's going to have his games. But is he a start every week? No, he's not streaming him.

[Andy Holloway]

He's definitely not a start every week. He's a stream type of guy. But the thing that's interesting about two of the guys on this list, Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan, is their names say you drafted them to start them every week. And how do you start someone else over them. And Matt Ryan had. Didn't have a bad game, but he was the 20th quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

Well, Matt Ryan is a complete. Yeah, Matt Ryan, I don't worry about him at all here. No, start him going forward.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. My point though is it's another thing where we look at names and don't realize game flow matters, matchups matter. And you streaming, you can get better value from certain big names like Peyton Manning. But it's a defensive led Broncos. They're not going to be in a lot of giant shootouts because their defense keeps the game score low. So I'm a little worried about Peyton. If he was my guy, I would definitely be playing matchups at least if there's a really good matchup. And Peyton, you know, I would play him over Peyton. I had Peyton this week, for instance, ranked I think 18th or 19th on my quarterback, so.

[Jason Moore]

All right, running backs. Carlos Hyde had another bad game, 8 for 20. Mike and I were talking before the show. I think you need to start looking at Carlos Hyde the way you would look at a, you know, Jaguar running back from, from the past few years where this team is not good. They are not a good team. And running backs, as talented as you can be, if you're not on a very good team, if you're not competitive in these games, you're going to be game flowed out of fantasy production. Am I right?

[Mike Wright]

You are absolutely correct.

[Jason Moore]

And speaking of another bad team, the same thing's happening to him. Lamar Miller had another terrible game. What do we do with Hyde and Miller? Fantasy wise, Jason, you hold on to him.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think you're going to get enough value out of either guy. Neither one of them are cuttable. So you bench them or you play them. Matchups, if they're, if they've got a.

[Jason Moore]

Great matchup right now they're sitting 48 and 43rd week. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I think Miller. Miller. We got that hope again, right, because. Because Philbin will be gone.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So you got to hold on a bye week. They're on a bye week this week, so.

[Mike Wright]

Well, maybe they learn how to run in the bi week. Who knows?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, maybe they say hello to Lamar Miller.

[Mike Wright]

You know who else we got to say hello to?

[Andy Holloway]

Hello.

[Jason Moore]

Latavius Murray ends up being benched due to a fumble. He had two fumbles in the game, but he wasn't.

[Mike Wright]

It wasn't just the fumble there. What? There was the. He caused the pick.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Where it bounced right off his hands.

[Jason Moore]

Yep. So, Roy, hello.

[Mike Wright]

Hello.

[Jason Moore]

How you doing? Mike's been so excited to say that on the show today. Yeah. How as are all of you who said it at your draft. And what is it? Is this just a one time thing or.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, probably it's a one time thing. Looking at, looking at Carr and seeing what the coach said afterwards and even what Latavius Murray was saying afterwards. This was, you know, send a message. But he's going to be back.

[Jason Moore]

Arian Foster eight for ten. He's back, baby. He also had one of the most disgusting little fumble return for a touchdown things. This game was a complete disaster from the beginning for Houston. I am excited about Arian Foster Thursday night against the Colts. Are you guys with me?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Absolutely.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Maybe he'll get to play more than a quarter or two.

[Mike Wright]

Maybe.

[Jason Moore]

Maybe I like him. Yeah. So no, no setbacks there. That's the big news for fantasy owners. No setbacks for A and Foster wide receivers. That had a pretty crappy game. Mike, I mean Jason, we talked about this. He didn't go gooser, but he got pretty darn close. Roddy White two for eight coming off of two zero zero games. Are you preparing a eulogy?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he's. He is. Roddy, I remember once upon a time when you were a wide receiver one and then I remember when you were a great wide receiver too but you skipped wide receiver three and you went straight to wide receiver eight. And so we will remember you in the future as the Roddy White who was a hall of fame level for a couple years.

[Mike Wright]

If you are still, if your team is alive in your 24 man team, then Roddy White, you start him every week.

[Jason Moore]

What is a 24 man league? Yeah, yeah. If you have to start every player in the NFL, he's on somebody. Mike Evans, we talked about a 3 for 32 against Norman.

[Mike Wright]

Hold on, hold on. What about Leonard Hankerson? So are we. Is Hankerson now weekly start?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he's a, he's a flexible guy. I would have him.

[Jason Moore]

He's a bi week start.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, okay.

[Jason Moore]

He's a bi week start. He's just what Hearns was this week which is a matchup. And by kind of oh, I can roll Hearns out there in my flex based on the matchup. You know when, when Julio goes up against somebody that is going to keep him to like two touchdowns on 100 yards than Hankerson. Let's talk about Odell Beckham Jr. What I, what I thought was interesting about this game, he had 12 targets but he only ended up with five for 38. We pay attention to targets. Okay. We know Oda Beckham Jr. Is going to be okay. Eli Manning really trusted the other receivers on the team.

[Andy Holloway]

Rubes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Ruben Randall, but not just him. Dwayne Harris. Dwayne Harris got targeted. I don't want to talk about Larry Donnell.

[Mike Wright]

I want to talk about Reuben Randall.

[Jason Moore]

This was not the week for the big name wide receiver because Odell Beckham Jr. Julio Jones and Antonio Brown all had stinkers. Yeah, but their teams had. Yeah, other than, I guess the Steelers lost, but the other two won anyways. So let's talk about tight ends real quick. Travis Kelsey, 5 for 49 and a fumble.

[Mike Wright]

Boom. How many. How many targets did he actually get?

[Jason Moore]

It was a disappointing game because they were in it and I expected. And they were coming back, so I expected him to have a bigger game.

[Mike Wright]

I'm looking. I'm pulling them up right now.

[Jason Moore]

Zach Ertz, 2 for 11. Kyle Rudolph, 2 for 7. I. You know, it's hard to put these guys in to poop their big boy pants. I don't think any of these guys got big boy pants on. I don't think Kyle Rudolph or Zach Ertz or Heath Miller were expecting big games from them.

[Andy Holloway]

No. But I guess they're in there. Just to say you guys did nothing for your NFL team this week, literally.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so go sign Antonio Gates.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

If he's on your waiver wire, consider Larry Donnell as a start because of the fact that we don't have competition there for him anymore.

[Andy Holloway]

Go sign Owen Daniels because he plays the Raiders next week.

[Jason Moore]

Owen Daniels plays the Raiders and his. I believe. I don't know if it sustained this week. Jason, you signed him in one of our leagues, but the three previous weeks, he had increased target numbers each week.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know that he had increased targets, but he did get a red zone target touchdown.

[Jason Moore]

What was that again?

[Andy Holloway]

Target touchdown.

[Jason Moore]

A target touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

Kelsey had seven targets, so that's.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's all right.

[Mike Wright]

You got a target.

[Jason Moore]

He is a fumbler.

[Andy Holloway]

He.

[Jason Moore]

Career wise, he just fumbles a lot.

[Mike Wright]

But if I'm recalling correct, I don't think that was actually a fumble. I'm trying to. Trying to remember if we could get.

[Andy Holloway]

Video recorded as a fumble. Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it was a fumble officially, but I don't. It was one of those weird review things. I thought he was down.

[Jason Moore]

He's the kind of guy who either fumbles or nearly fumbles a lot, which is my point. So let's go. Mailbag.

[Andy Holloway]

Mailbag, mailbag.

[Jason Moore]

All right. If you have a question, you can go to our website. Click the Submit a question button in the top right. If you have a quick trade question, waiver question start sit, that type of thing, you can get those through directly to us. You can Also call us 302-464-TFFB. We will play some of those voicemails on this show. All right. Cece in Chicago says He is down 19 points and the other guy is done. He has either Abdullah or Rawls in his flex spot. Full point ppr. And oh, by the way, the guy I'm playing married my ex. He got me there. I need to get him here.

[Mike Wright]

What?

[Jason Moore]

Thanks and great show. Wow. Point ppr.

[Mike Wright]

Sounds like Jerry Springer show over here.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Well, I am more confident about Abdullah than the majority. So I would play Abdullah and that is. I know that's bold and you can.

[Andy Holloway]

Rip me for it, but 19 points.

[Jason Moore]

I'm playing Abdullah for the big score and the. In the past catching.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you going to get 19 points with one score out of Abdullah? Do you think he can get one touchdown and still get 19 points? So he needs two touchdowns in order to.

[Jason Moore]

No, he doesn't need two touchdowns. He needs one. I thought you meant like a one player or something.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he needs one score and he'll catch enough through the air and a full point PPR to get 19.

[Mike Wright]

Maybe I would go Rawls.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

I think I have to.

[Jason Moore]

I want to come back to this tomorrow. Yeah, obviously we're going to see the game tonight. I doubt any of us want to water that.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, that's a.

[Jason Moore]

It's a tough call in a full point ppr. I don't think Rawls catches a pass. I mean. No, but he's going to have to score two touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, but I. What I think is more likely is rawls goes for 102 than Abdullah getting the 19 points.

[Jason Moore]

That's fine. I mean it's a completely split down the middle for me. I mean, I don't really know. I'm just going to play the. At least Abdullah can bust a 67 yard screen pass or something.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

Evan and Livingston says Has to start 3 running backs in week 5. Doesn't know what to do. Non PPR. Choose 3 out of Jamal Charles, Aaron Foster, Devonta Freeman and Justin Forset.

[Mike Wright]

Wow, that's. We're kind of early for the week. We're still in week four, however.

[Jason Moore]

Well, that's. It's an interesting question for people now who are looking at trades and looking at things.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

That they want to set up.

[Mike Wright]

I don't even know what the match looks like.

[Andy Holloway]

So you.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I can tell you.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Charles is in regardless.

[Jason Moore]

So the Falcons. The Falcons play the Redskins, and I. Obviously, you're playing Jamal Charles.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Especially against the Bears. You're playing Arian Foster. I think, on Thursday night.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I would be playing him over. Four set and over.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. The Raiders play the Broncos, which is a bad. Oh, I'm looking.

[Jason Moore]

The Ravens play the Browns. Is that what you're talking about?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's. That's what I was talking about.

[Jason Moore]

Did somebody get traded to the Raiders that I don't know about? I think I go Charles, Foster, Freeman.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I.

[Andy Holloway]

Definitely go Charles and I go Freeman. To me, the Thursday night Arian is a little scary, but I lean him over for set.

[Mike Wright]

I agree.

[Jason Moore]

Adrian in Syracuse? Yeah. Wasn't he in New York, too? No, he's in Washington, D.C. what? Rocky?

[Mike Wright]

Philadelphia.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, it was.

[Andy Holloway]

And Adrian was a girl. She.

[Mike Wright]

Do you know how I said.

[Jason Moore]

I said, wasn't he in New York?

[Mike Wright]

He was referring to Rocky.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I know.

[Jason Moore]

I just want you. You were, too.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. But I want to let you know that you probably can never show your face in Philadelphia again.

[Jason Moore]

It'll be all right.

[Mike Wright]

No, he won't.

[Jason Moore]

Someone in my Tin Man PPR league offered me this trade. Marshawn lynch and Thomas Rawls for Justin. Four set. I have four set. Should I stay true to four set, or do I take advantage of four sets? Big day this past Thursday. Great question. I take lynch and rolls.

[Andy Holloway]

Me, too.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I think so.

[Jason Moore]

All right, Dr. In Dre, figure that one out. Do I trade away Jarvis Landry and Jeremy Hill for C.J. anderson and Amari Cooper? Cooper, this we need to speak about. C.J. anderson. I don't know why he wasn't in the poop section.

[Mike Wright]

Because he didn't poop. He just. He had an average game.

[Jason Moore]

He did.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

An average game.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. He opened with a 27 yard catch, and I think he had 40 on the ground or so. So it wasn't. It was a fine game. It wasn't an RB1 like you're hoping for from C.J. anderson.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it was an RB3. He was the 32nd running back.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, so. All right, so. So what do you do with this trade? Landry and Hill for C.J. and Cooper?

[Mike Wright]

I stay with Landry and Hill.

[Andy Holloway]

I. Yeah, I think I agree. Yeah, I'd rather have Cooper than Landry, but I'd rather have Hill than Anderson, so.

[Jason Moore]

I agree. But I like the idea of getting Cooper somehow. So, Matt, so you can do the.

[Mike Wright]

Little thing with Mr. Cooper?

[Jason Moore]

Exactly. Yeah. Matt in Manassas. What?

[Mike Wright]

Where do these people live?

[Jason Moore]

They. We make them up. Just kidding. All right, Matt says won my matchup this week based on the last minute edition of Charles Clay.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, nice.

[Jason Moore]

Thanks for the tip. Got an offer. I give up Jimmy Graham and get Emmanuel Sanders. Feel like Graham's production is going to plummet, giving the spread of targets in Seattle. Do you take this deal?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, I would.

[Andy Holloway]

I would take it in a heartbeat.

[Jason Moore]

If you have Charles Clay. I'm okay with that. Yeah, I'm okay with that.

[Mike Wright]

I would take it.

[Jason Moore]

Would you take it if he did not have another alternate at tight end?

[Andy Holloway]

Most people found Charles Clay on the waivers this week, and I think you're going to be able to do that in an average week. So I would still do it, but Charles Clay makes it a slam dunk for me.

[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

Oh, no.

[Jason Moore]

All right, guys, thanks for listening. We'll be back tomorrow with some waiver wire.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, the waiver wire.

[Jason Moore]

It's time. Let's get ready.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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