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Andy Holloway
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Jason Moore
Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.
Andy Holloway
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Jason Moore
I'm starving now.
Andy Holloway
I know. Delicious, right? Yes, it is. Wednesday, October 7th.
Mike Wright
There's not much I enjoy more in life than beef jerky.
Andy Holloway
I agree with that. I feel like I could. Don't give me the whole package because I'll just down the whole thing.
Jason Moore
Yeah, we gotta. We gotta put him on, like, a portion control. Here's a piece of beef jerky.
Mike Wright
If someone hands me a whole bag, that's them saying, here, eat this.
Andy Holloway
My policy on beef jerky is identical to my policy on ice cream, which is. I just want a lot of it. That. That makes it a better experience. So welcome to the show. This is the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. I'm Andy Holloway, joined by Mike the fantasy Hitman. Right.
Mike Wright
Mike the Beef jerky man.
Andy Holloway
Okay. Okay. And Jason Moore.
Jason Moore
Howdy. I am looking forward to answering listener questions today.
Andy Holloway
Yes, it is a mailbag episode. We are answering as many as we can on the show today. We know people are, you know, they're in trade season. There are some offers sitting on your desk, and you, as the general manager of your fantasy football franchise, are ready to make some decisions.
Mike Wright
Don't blow it.
Andy Holloway
Don't screw it up. Don't trade for the wrong guys. We'll give you the best advice we can today. So we're going to get into that. And you guys got anything going on other than, you know, apparently, an obsession with beef jerky?
Jason Moore
I have a team that has, like, four bye weeks, and I need to drop some people that I don't want to drop. That's time for two for one trades special. You come. You come get them.
Mike Wright
What is. What are you dealing with right now? Who you got on by?
Jason Moore
I got. Apparently, I love the Panthers. I have Cam Newton. I got Greg Olson. I got the Panthers D as well.
Andy Holloway
So the Panthers are on by is what we found out this week. The Panthers Are on by news alert. Yeah. You know, you don't get to start Jonathan Stewart. Are you disappointed?
Mike Wright
You had Cricket.
Jason Moore
You had Jonathan Stewart did, but I got rid of him. Thank you, Andy.
Andy Holloway
Well, I had him too, and I got rid of him. Thank you.
Jason Moore
He's like hot potato.
Andy Holloway
I've got Mike Evans for him now. Who knows where he's gonna land? But that's not true. I know he's gonna run for nine for 50 or not nine for 50. Maybe 15 for 50.
Mike Wright
There you go.
Andy Holloway
So let's get into the mailbag. Yeah, let's do it.
Jason Moore
Mailbag.
Mike Wright
Mailbag.
Andy Holloway
All right, straight up trade question.
Mike Wright
Straight up.
Andy Holloway
Mike Evans for James Jones. Would you do that trade? How insane is that trade?
Mike Wright
What a world we live in.
Andy Holloway
A just crazy world. And everything I saw from the packers tells me I'm not sure I am.
Jason Moore
Still going to take the Mike Evans side. I am probably the least high of the three of us on Mike Evans, so I would be surprised if either of you don't. However, I think, you know, when Devonta free, when Devonte Adams comes back, he's still going to be the number one or two in targets. And so I would take Mike Evans.
Andy Holloway
I would take Mike Evans.
Mike Wright
I would take Evans.
Andy Holloway
Let me throw this out there. Before we get to the next question, would either of you guys like to make a water bet with me?
Mike Wright
Yeah, I would love to.
Andy Holloway
We were talking before the show about Eddie Lacy. Obviously his workload has been a little bit problematic. We also talked about Arian Foster. And so I'd love to make a rest of season bet. So put this in there. This would be from week five on rest of season, Lacey versus Foster. I take Foster. No injury clause on either side. What do you think?
Mike Wright
Absolutely.
Andy Holloway
I am both down.
Jason Moore
Yes. Waterbed Arian.
Mike Wright
Breaking news. Aaron Foster is dead.
Andy Holloway
No, he's not dead. He's fine. He's playing on Thursday. And then you guys are gonna regret that.
Jason Moore
He's your number two, right?
Andy Holloway
Correct. Yeah. I've taken away the number one for my rank so that they're protected. Or. Or I put Eddie Lacy is my new number one.
Jason Moore
There you go.
Andy Holloway
I don't. Lacey's fine. Lacy's totally fine. He's great. I mean, he's gonna have huge games this year, but he's also sharing some snaps. He hasn't had a big game this year. And he's got a little ankle problem, too. We don't. You know, it's not just Aaron. Arian doesn't have the monopoly on injuries, guys.
Mike Wright
He's got a large market share.
Andy Holloway
He's gonna have the monopoly of the workload, though, this week, so. All right, Adam in Fantasy island sounds like a wonderful place.
Jason Moore
I'm coming.
Andy Holloway
He needs two wide receivers to start alongside obj. He has Matthews, Aiken, and Allen Robinson. Who would we take this week? Now, it's interesting you bring up Kamar Aiken, because Aiken is the number one right now playing the Browns at home. He needs two wide receivers to start along. Odell Beckham Jr. Two more along.
Mike Wright
Jordan Matthews is absolutely in for me. It's a plus matchup. If you watched the game. Sam Bradford just missed Jordan Matthews for a touchdown that I believe turned into a Miles Austin touchdown. Something along those lines. But Jordan Matthews is still getting a ridiculous share of the targets up in Philadelphia, so he's in for me.
Andy Holloway
I take Matthews and Robinson.
Mike Wright
Yep.
Andy Holloway
And I don't get too cute with Kamar Aiken.
Mike Wright
You're not aching for some bacon.
Jason Moore
Yeah. You've got. You've got good options there. Aiken is a. Is a good streamer when you're out of options.
Andy Holloway
He also says he listens every day and he feels smarter. Smarter than everyone in his league because of it.
Jason Moore
Wow. Thanks.
Mike Wright
You like Yogi Bear?
Andy Holloway
You know, I wouldn't have mentioned it if that wasn't a complete fact. All right, Dave in Boston. Dave in Boston. Sammy Biscuits Sam Bradford or Carson Palmer at quarterback.
Mike Wright
Oh, man.
Jason Moore
Cardinals playing the Lions.
Mike Wright
It's on the road.
Andy Holloway
It is on the road. And Carson had his highest yardage game last week, but only one touchdown.
Mike Wright
Yeah, he says the game flow and market correction of the touchdowns happened to Carson Palmer. I still. I still trust Palmer every week. And Sammy Biscuits. What was the matchup?
Jason Moore
Saints. He's playing Saints, but he's in Philly. So I'm going to take Sammy Biscuits.
Mike Wright
I'm going to take Carson Palmer.
Andy Holloway
I will go with Palmer. So Mike Evans or Vincent Jackson at wide receiver this week? We know Evans had a tough matchup last week against Norman, the Incredible Storm. And Norman, he's awesome.
Mike Wright
He's very good. Yes.
Andy Holloway
I think he broke. So I'm gonna misquote it, but he broke some record of pick sixes. What is shaking? Who's shaking the desk?
Mike Wright
Oh, is that me?
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Mike Wright
Sorry about that.
Andy Holloway
I was like, what is.
Mike Wright
I'm amped up.
Andy Holloway
I just. Like Eddie Lacy walked in the room or something.
Jason Moore
So we got. It's like that.
Mike Wright
You see the.
Jason Moore
You know.
Mike Wright
You know, Eddie Lacy's coming. When you're. When your water, your glass of Water starts pulling like the Tyrannosaurus.
Andy Holloway
I know you're like, oh, crap, here comes.
Mike Wright
And then.
Andy Holloway
And then you're disappointed when Richardson walks in.
Mike Wright
So hide the Burger King. The Teddy Lacey's coming. Oh, all right.
Jason Moore
So Tampa Bay wide receivers. Is that the question?
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I guess so.
Jason Moore
Tampa Bay wide receivers because they're going up against the Jacksonville, Jaguar, Jaguars, Jaguars. Jaguars. I believe Mike Evans is going to have the better opportunity there. There's no true elite guy like a Norman to shut him down.
Mike Wright
So for me, you're. You're really talking, flip a coin. Evans is the talented, more talented guy. But for what's going to come down to, I think every week is just who gets the touchdown. And I would say the probability leans towards Evans. But this isn't just a.
Jason Moore
This.
Mike Wright
It's not a slam dunk. I'm going to. I'm going to plug Evans in weekly. But knowing that Vincent Jackson can easily.
Jason Moore
Get the touchdown, this is exactly why I don't want either of them on my team right now. I don't want Mike Evans because you pretty much have to plug him in week in and week out. And I, you know, I want guys that have a higher baseline that aren't going to just one week help me win and one week help me lose. I would have drafted Torrey Smith.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I guess I just don't see Evans that way. I mean, I like him a lot.
Mike Wright
I'm just saying.
Andy Holloway
17 targets and then he faced Norman. He still got eight targets. Like I'm talking about, those are the only two games that we have.
Mike Wright
I like them both, especially this week. I'm playing both of them. I plugged Vincent Jackson into my lineup this morning, but. So either I would lean Evans, but just understanding that maybe Vincent Jackson gets the touchdown and has the higher output.
Andy Holloway
So that's going to be a very difficult. Evans was 12 touchdowns in 12 his last 12 games last year.
Jason Moore
Yeah, he's.
Andy Holloway
But no, I'm not disagreeing. I'm just pointing out the stats people can make their own decision. I don't disagree. There are going to be games. I mean, Roddy White had games that are better than Julio every week, too. I look at it somewhat similar. Not.
Mike Wright
Not anymore. Roddy White.
Andy Holloway
No, no, I'm talking like last year. Yeah, he came out and said he's super disappointed because he believes he's getting open, but he's not part of the progression for Matt Ryan. And I would agree with the target numbers. I know, I know. All right, let's talk about Jeremy Macklin. For a second.
Mike Wright
Okay.
Andy Holloway
Ready, Mike? No, you're not going to, you're not going to say Jeremy.
Mike Wright
Apologize to Jeremy because my.
Andy Holloway
Fine. Don't. All right, Chris in Salem, Oregon, I have a real hard time deciding what to do with Macklin. He's been offered Lamar Miller and Jonathan Stewart for him. So talk to me a minute about Macklin and then talk to me about this trade. So he's offered Lamar and jstu. Is he selling high? Is he buying low? Is he trading reliability for meh.
Mike Wright
Here is my deal with Macklin. My arguments against Macklin have never ever been against his talent. Jeremy Macklin is a fantastic receiver. It would my. My question was with Alex Smith, the risk proof quarterback, can he get Macklin the ball enough? And the answer the last couple weeks has been yes. And his target share is, I think, close to 30% of the targets every single week. So, yeah, moving forward, Macklin is. Is absolutely a guy. And I would not trade him right now for Miller and Stewart. That, and that speaks greatly of how I've fallen on Stewart and Miller.
Andy Holloway
It depends. This one depends on what you have on your team too. I mean, if you need a running back, I don't mind buying low on these guys. Give Miller another shot in a couple weeks when the team's turned over. But I feel like Macklin was this delicious piece of cake that you saw at a party and it was sitting on this kind of, you know, ugly plate and you didn't appreciate the cake for what it was. You were just focused on the plate it was sitting on and then you finally took a bite and it's really good. It's delicious.
Mike Wright
Macklin is a delicious piece of cake.
Jason Moore
There is no. I agree. I think that the plate does matter in the sense that, you know, it's not just a bad looking plate.
Andy Holloway
Oh, what if it's in your mouth?
Jason Moore
But what if the plate is like scalding hot and you have to grab the cake by the plate? That's a more accurate analogy here. You could burn your hands. But here's another.
Andy Holloway
Some cake tastes good no matter what plate it's on. That's.
Jason Moore
That's true.
Andy Holloway
It's just a matter of I'll eat it off the dirt. I don't care. I'll eat that cake right off the dirt. That's more accurate.
Jason Moore
Yeah, because you're getting a little bit of dirt on that cake.
Mike Wright
In the dirt.
Jason Moore
Yeah, you got to eat your. Your Jeremy Macklin cake off the dirt.
Andy Holloway
Can we make some bet with Macklin again? This Week, I want to make one every week.
Jason Moore
Here's one of the other things about this trade is that both J stuff and Lamar Miller are on bye weeks. And I've seen a lot of trades, people don't know what to do. Do I trade a bi week guy? Do I trade for a bye week guy? Here's one thing that you have to keep in mind when you're doing a trade. If it's not a clear cut win, if it's like, I think I like this guy better than that guy. But all of a sudden you're making this week a risky proposition for getting a win because you're taking a guy like Jeremy Macklin out of your roster and putting nobody back in. It's no longer a win. I mean you, if you are going to end up taking a loss for a, for a marginal trade, don't do it.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I wouldn't do it.
Andy Holloway
I agree with that. And just speaking to Jason's point, if you want to trade for a guy this week, if you believe in him, and I'd love to hear you guys opinion, but I would consider trading for Deion Lewis because he's coming off of his bye week so he doesn't have a buy the rest of the way. So if you can swap a similar guy, this is a hot tip, okay? Hot fantasy tip for the pro player. If you can swap a similar guy that you see in your eyes that that guy still has a bye week coming up and your guys buys in the past.
Mike Wright
Right.
Andy Holloway
I love it.
Jason Moore
Yeah, you're gaining an injury free week.
Andy Holloway
Exactly. And every, all the wins, Week five wins count, Week six wins count towards the end of the season. You don't just need to win then, you need to win now too. So that's something I'd look into. But let me ask you about Dion Lewis then, rest of season, what are your thoughts on him? I mean you've had what, three weeks. Yeah, three weeks of looking good and.
Mike Wright
He'S, he's getting the snaps which it's, it's so hard because. Because of the abuse that we have taken as fantasy players from Belichick's running back situation. It's still very difficult in my heart and in my soul to really buy into Lewis. But I am.
Andy Holloway
What did you see on tape, Jason, when me and you were debating a trade? And you can kind of answer this one. Mike too, he's trying to get Alshon Jeffrey from me and he's offering me packages with Deion Lewis, different packages. And I'm sitting there, I'M looking at the tape on Dion Lewis. I'm watching the coaches film on Dion Lewis. He's watching tape on Dion Lewis, you know, but then you have game flow. You've got LeGarrett blessed had three touchdowns in a game that Lewis knows game flow.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
What did you see, Jason?
Jason Moore
Well, the main thing I saw from that was game flow that Dion Lewis was the guy they started off using. They got him involved. His snap count was great. And in the passing game, when they are in this year, it looks like they are a passing game. Passing team, passing every down type of passing. Yeah. Yes, they are. They are passing in New England and Deion Lewis is that back. So he's going to be used. And what happened in the last game was just a game flow situation that allowed Legarette Blunt to get those three touchdowns. And so you. He came in later in the game. LeGarrett Blunt did and more had garbage time.
Andy Holloway
It seems like right now Lewis is Vereen plus. Yeah, he's getting early down. He's got some goal line that's enticing. He's also talk about that trait because I'd still consider something.
Jason Moore
Okay, so I'll Sean Jeffrey for Deion Lewis.
Andy Holloway
No, no.
Mike Wright
He has shown a propensity to fumble and he's gone back in somehow.
Jason Moore
But.
Andy Holloway
But that gets scary.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Mike Wright
You so and what three games, two fumbles and three games. My correcting. You are correct if he fumbles again.
Andy Holloway
I know.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Jason Moore
That's scary. Part of the reason I'm trying to get.
Andy Holloway
All right, let's switch gears here. Christian in Newport Beach, California, he has Chris Ivory. He wants to know if he should trade him for Antonio Brown.
Mike Wright
Oh, yeah.
Andy Holloway
You say yeah very quickly now I want to talk about Ivory because if you take out his gooser, which is. I think you should take his gooser out if you want to know how good of a player he is. Because he didn't play. Right. Like if he had played and got zero. If you take that out, he is the number three running back in fantasy football right now.
Mike Wright
You mean giving him his average?
Andy Holloway
Yeah. If you just average the three games he's actually played in, he's number three in terms of points per game. That's just context. I'm not saying I wouldn't do the trade for Antonio Brown. Brown's got the Big Ben thing week seven, maybe.
Jason Moore
I get all that. One thing that makes my consideration very easy is the fact that he's on by this week. We just kind of talked about that. So if you Need a player. You're trading a guy who's, you know, not playing for one of the best wide receivers.
Andy Holloway
Brown will go on by, though.
Jason Moore
Sure. But you can prepare for that. I mean, this week we didn't even play.
Mike Wright
Did we talk about Big Ben? Sorry, I was looking at a hilarious text message. Okay. Did we mention that Big Ben is. There's talk of him being back week seven?
Andy Holloway
I mentioned it just now while you were on the text message.
Mike Wright
Sorry. Well, someone had offered my friend Mike Wallace for Todd Gurley.
Andy Holloway
Oh. Oh, what a steal.
Jason Moore
Wow.
Mike Wright
I had to send him a. Hahahaha.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Mike Wright
Sorry.
Andy Holloway
Alrighty. So you wouldn't. You would do the deal because you like Antonio Brown more, or is it the buy thing?
Jason Moore
No, it's. No, it's definitely because I like Antonio Brown more. The buy factors in minutely, but I like Antonio Brown more for a couple of reasons. One of the reasons is because Chris Ivory is my favorite, like, preseason pick. I loved him coming in, but the knock on him has always been health. We've already seen him sit out of a game. And so if this is what I tell people, if Chris Ivory's playing, he's an RB one. But I have to say that every time I talk about Chris Ivory. I don't feel like I have to say that with Antonio Brown. I just say, you play Antonio Brown. It's not if he's playing. And so that's kind of one of those other considerations is the history going, you know, projecting forward.
Andy Holloway
I would take Antonio Brown too.
Mike Wright
Yeah. And here's what you need to look at. Week one, if someone had offered, if you're the Ivory owner and someone had said, hey, I'll give you. I'll give you Antonio Brown for Chris Ivory, what would you have said?
Andy Holloway
Well, you would have said, yeah, immediately.
Mike Wright
Week two, what would you have said? Basically every week and before Big Ben got hurt.
Andy Holloway
Right.
Mike Wright
This trade is impossible. So I would make things change. Things change. But Big Ben will be back.
Andy Holloway
Yep.
Mike Wright
According to reports.
Andy Holloway
Okay, let's just pretending Ivory's the number three guy rest of season. I would rather do the deal.
Jason Moore
No, I would rather have the number three running back versus let's say Antonio Brown finishes number three wide receiver. I would rather have the number three running back than I would the number three.
Andy Holloway
It's fun to talk about because this happens every year. We draft all these running backs in the beginning of the first round, and half of them end up there and half of them don't. And Ivory's the kind of guy that can Jump into that spot. There are other guys. Deion Lewis right now is in that spot. So Dave in Florida wants to know, who would you start this week between Alex Smith and Jay Cutler? Jay Cutler.
Mike Wright
We actually kind of just talked about this on yesterday's show.
Jason Moore
Yeah, but more than just that, I was really going back and forth between these exact two guys who are in a matchup against each other as my start of the week. I was telling these two guys beforehand, man, I'm going back and forth, Alex Smith or Jay Cutler, who do I take? And here was the tiebreaker for me is that the Chicago Bears, as bad as they've been as far as giving up points, they have barely given up yards. They've gone. They've held three of their four opponents under 200 yards. And so I think Alex Smith is going to. I mean, he's not a huge yardage guy, so you're not going to get a ton of yards from him. So I went with Jay Cutler.
Mike Wright
This is just kind of off cuff. I want to test your Jeremy Macklin love. Oh, it's just a. Just a question, hypothetical question. Let's say you have an injured Alshon Jeffrey on your bench. Someone offers you Macklin for Jeffrey straight up. Would you take that?
Andy Holloway
No. Okay.
Mike Wright
I just wanted to see how far the rabbit hole went.
Andy Holloway
No, if Jeffrey keeps missing games, I'm going to wish I had, that's for sure. But no, not right now. That's a good. That's a good question. All right, Danielle in San Francisco has a question about TJ Yeldin. So I want to talk about TJ Elden today as well. She's been offered Brandon Cooks or Vincent Jackson for him straight up, which I think we all say. No.
Mike Wright
I would say I would consider Vincent Jackson, depending on team makeup, but generally in a vacuum, Cook, no.
Andy Holloway
Now, Yelden had his first hundred yard game of his career. He hasn't scored this season. What are your guys's thoughts on the Jaguar TJ Yelden, the workload monster? I think he's third in the league in carries. Right.
Jason Moore
That's the problem, is that it's. Is the team.
Andy Holloway
That's a problem.
Jason Moore
No, no, no.
Andy Holloway
The problem.
Jason Moore
Jaguar problem, because he's. He's on a team that's limiting his scoring potential, his offensive output. And so he reminds me a lot of Melvin Gordon in the sense that he's getting the work and he looks all right, but the touchdowns just don't seem to be there. So for me, that's how I feel about Yelden. That Being said, in a vacuum, I would rather have the running back who's getting work and slightly underperforming your hopes than the wide receivers who are doing the exact same thing. And those, I would say both Vincent Jackson and Cooks kind of fall into that category.
Andy Holloway
David Johnson is currently, at least in our league scoring format, which is slightly different. Half point ppr. David Johnson is where.
Mike Wright
He's still very high.
Andy Holloway
Where do you. He's a.
Mike Wright
He's a top 20 running back.
Andy Holloway
I was 14. Yeah, he's ahead. Here's who David Johnson's currently ahead of. Dion Lewis. I'm not going to say.
Jason Moore
Not on average.
Andy Holloway
Huh?
Jason Moore
Dion Lewis had a bike.
Andy Holloway
Oh, you're right. No, I'm sorry. Sorry, sorry. Jeremy Hill, though. Doug Martin, Frank Gore, Justin Forset, Eddie Lacy, TJ Yeldin, all guys that played just kind of incredible to me. He's one of those David Johnson's like Geo, you know, or even less than where you hate. I personally, I hate starting running backs that are in those miscellaneous random timeshares where you don't know what they're going to get. But yeah, I'm just noting it because it's crazy. To me, he's really high touchdowns for.
Jason Moore
David Johnson's value to be there. The cool thing is he's been scoring.
Andy Holloway
What song did you sing when he fumbled opening kickoff, David?
Mike Wright
I went with hello Darkness.
Andy Holloway
My old friend Chris in San Francisco. My forte for his, Antonio Brown.
Mike Wright
That's. That's interest.
Jason Moore
That's, that's testing the water here because, you know, I see Chris Ivory.
Mike Wright
I was just gonna say who do you want, Ivory or Matt Forte?
Jason Moore
I would rather have Matt Forte than Chris Ivory.
Mike Wright
I think I'd rather have Ivory.
Andy Holloway
I'd rather have Forte.
Jason Moore
Yeah. So.
Andy Holloway
Because Matt Forte doesn't come off the field for ball pal on third down.
Jason Moore
Yeah, Matt Forte is the guy I would rather have. I would still rather have Antonio Brown. But this is completely team dependent because if you need a running back, which I would say more teams need a running back than they need a wide receiver, then, yeah, Forte.
Andy Holloway
All right. Bobby in Utah has a question about four set. He says should he trade him straight up for Julian Edelman? And so I bring this question up because I want you to speak to that trade and I want to talk about Julian Edelman. This is kind of a. I mean, we're a quarter of the way through the NFL season. I'm bringing up guys that I believe need to be discussed again from draft time. We didn't talk enough about Edelman. Edelman has been dominant.
Mike Wright
You said four set.
Andy Holloway
Four set. Four set for a straight up trade for Edelman.
Mike Wright
If this is a. If it's a PPR league, I would do it.
Andy Holloway
It is a standard league.
Mike Wright
Then I would not. I would keep four set.
Jason Moore
I would probably still go Edelman. Obviously, this is. Whenever you're talking running back, wide receiver, it's team needs, but Edelman is so incredibly involved. Check this out. What rank do you think Edelman is.
Andy Holloway
In targets in the league?
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
The NFL.
Jason Moore
Not on average on total targets, having played only three games because they were on by.
Andy Holloway
I would say he's in the top five.
Mike Wright
We're counting.
Jason Moore
He's 10. He's. He's the 10th best despite missing a game. If you give him that fourth game on the same average, he's the clear cut number one guy. So, I mean, that's just.
Andy Holloway
I thought he was tied with Julio, and then Julio had more than him on week three.
Jason Moore
Oh, he might be behind. Well, and also, DeAndre Hopkins had 22 targets last.
Andy Holloway
Oh, my goodness.
Jason Moore
That kind of helps Skew. Hey, skew it.
Andy Holloway
I didn't. I didn't reap him. He was my number one there.
Jason Moore
Wow. No, I thought that standard.
Mike Wright
That's not fun to talk about.
Jason Moore
We only talk about your family.
Mike Wright
More fun when you kill guys.
Andy Holloway
I know. I just like being right every once in a while. Remember that YouTube guy? He doesn't like me. I wanted to know whatever.
Mike Wright
But I would do the. I would keep four set. The offensive line, maybe it was just against the Steelers, I don't know. But the line looked like they were getting it together in Baltimore, and that's what Forset really needs.
Jason Moore
All right, for clarification on targets here, he actually does beat Julio. Jones is ahead of Julio on targets at the pace he was on, however, behind the new number one, which is DeAndre Hopkins because of 22 targets.
Andy Holloway
Because Julio didn't have to play on Sunday. Yeah, probably. He was on a buy as well. He was on a half buy, thanks to the Devonta Freeman.
Mike Wright
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Andy Holloway
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Mike Wright
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Jason Moore
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Mike Wright
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Jason Moore
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Mike Wright
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Jason Moore
I've got like a Beetlejuice pattern. That's what my wife says. She's like, hey, Beetlejuice.
Mike Wright
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Andy Holloway
I agree. I can't argue with that. I wore my tie dyes yesterday.
Jason Moore
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Andy Holloway
What's our promo code?
Jason Moore
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Mike Wright
Ballers.
Andy Holloway
All right. Wide receiver targets on the waivers. We talked through them yesterday. If you picked up these guys, what order do you put them in? Kmar. Aiken time. Montgomery, Tavon, Austin.
Jason Moore
I go. I probably like Austin the most of this group, but if I need a start. Oh, if it's for this week, if I need a start, it's got to be Aiken. To me.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I think it's. It's between Aiken and Austin for me. And the Rams play the packers, and the packers defense has actually been pretty good. Pretty good. Pretty stuff. I'm gonna go with Aiken.
Andy Holloway
I agree. I'd go Aiken, Austin, Montgomery. I don't think Devonte Adams will play this week, but he is questionable and they're going to. The last report said evaluate him week to week, which is not the same as day to day and not so good.
Mike Wright
That's code for he's. He ain't going to play this week.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I agree with that one. So what are your thoughts on Adams when he returns?
Mike Wright
I still like him. I think he's going to get plugged back in. I don't. I don't think Jones will hold on to that. Number two. He'll go back to what he's doing, which is scoring a touchdown basically every single game, but only drawing a few targets.
Andy Holloway
It's been a really disappointing start to the year for Adams.
Mike Wright
Well, getting hurt will do that, but.
Andy Holloway
Well, he was lackluster before that.
Mike Wright
Yes, he hasn't been producing, but the targets have been there. And Rogers, just over the off season, Rogers, that was the guy he was talking about. And I just. I believe that that's. I don't know if I completely buy into the talent, but the opportunity is there. And if the packers actually do like him, like they say, then I'm still buying it.
Andy Holloway
All right. The Commissioner's Fist. That's what his name is. The Commissioner's Fist.
Mike Wright
Look out.
Andy Holloway
Eddie Lacy. Is that you? Pick one tight end and flex. Larry Donnell, Julius Thomas, Eddie Royal, or Golden Tate.
Jason Moore
So this has to be assuming that Julius Thomas is going to play, right?
Andy Holloway
I would assume that because otherwise I.
Jason Moore
Would pick Dunnell every time.
Andy Holloway
Right, right. Yeah. And that's the kind of insight and information we count on you for.
Jason Moore
Jason, you are welcome.
Andy Holloway
You know, he's probably going to be cleared. You'll want to check right now depending on when we recorded this show to what time you're listening to it. But he's meeting with doctors this week and he's supposed to be cleared for full practice, so he'd get three practices before, you know, he plays the Buccaneers.
Jason Moore
Have a. Have a decent defense. So I would probably go with Donell. Not knowing how you're going to use Julius Thomas, it's tough to just have a guy coming back off an injury on a new team that you've never seen before and roll him out. So the only reason to start Julius Thomas is if you are just playing for excitement and excitement only and you just want to watch and see what happens with, you know, you know, a horse in the race or maybe on like a fanduel if you're going one of those big tournament style things. Not a lot of people going to be.
Andy Holloway
I would.
Mike Wright
I'd go with the Nell or Donnell and Royal.
Andy Holloway
Okay. Nick and Lafayette, Louisiana. Hey, guys. They need to start two of these three running backs. Todd Gurley, Arian Foster, Latavius Murray.
Jason Moore
Ooh, Good off.
Andy Holloway
Full point ppr.
Jason Moore
Oof. So you got to win.
Andy Holloway
He needs a big win.
Jason Moore
Oh, all right. Okay.
Andy Holloway
If he needed a loss, who would he.
Mike Wright
No, that's. Well, I'm glad you said that because that changes everything.
Jason Moore
Yeah. Normally we don't care about winning your matchup, so you got Gurley going up against the Packers. Man, I liked Gurley last week, but it's hard to sit Latavius Murray. Latavius Murray up against the Broncos. That makes it far easier to sit Foster.
Andy Holloway
Gurley.
Jason Moore
Yep.
Andy Holloway
So Foster was the luck for both of you.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Should I trade Alshon Jeffrey? This is me.
Jason Moore
No, Andy. Yes. Trade me Alshon Jeffrey for Dion Lewis. Do it on the air. Make a deal.
Andy Holloway
I'm not doing that. First of all, be a chicken fry. If you really wanted. If you really wanted a deal, you wouldn't come to me on the air with a different deal than the ones that you sent. You're sending me a weaker deal on the air, which means I'm going to reject every deal you send me.
Jason Moore
Sammy Watkins and Dion Lewis Max in Seattle.
Andy Holloway
Should I trade Alshon Jeffrey for Devonte Freeman?
Jason Moore
Alshon Jeffrey.
Mike Wright
No, I would Freeman you. I would keep Jeffrey.
Jason Moore
Yeah, me too.
Mike Wright
No, now I already gave him an apology.
Andy Holloway
That's just the music I associate with Devontae Freeman. Now that was a great clip. That was on Twitter yesterday. Alex in East Lansing. By the way, you can follow us on Twitter @ the FF Ballers. I don't think I said that at the beginning of the show.
Mike Wright
And by the way, if Coleman comes back and tears up, I will immediately turn on devonte free.
Andy Holloway
You will sell on great, Alex. And East Lansing needs to start two and bench one.
Mike Wright
Okay, for set.
Andy Holloway
Jeremy Hill. Joseph Randall.
Jason Moore
I'm benching Jeremy Hill.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I think I'm going to bench Hill against the Seahawks. Unless you get a game similar to last week where he's kind of gifted some touchdowns.
Jason Moore
Yeah, that's the only way. He only got nine carries last week and really it should have been eight carries and two touchdowns because that GEO touchdown I did.
Mike Wright
Yeah, that play calling was weird, man. With Geo with nine carries and or Geo had 11 carries and Hill had nine.
Andy Holloway
That's just even in a game in their head the whole time. That's one piece of news we didn't mention on yesterday's show that broke was the fact that Boom Heron was signed by the Bills. And so keep that in mind with the situation with Carlos Williams.
Mike Wright
He's just going to be there to be an emergency back.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, but people, you know the Trent Richardson love all the love out there. His mom, his aunt, his old high school coach, the list goes on.
Mike Wright
Does Nick Saban still believe in Trent Richardson?
Andy Holloway
I don't know. Who called him the worst running back in the history of the NFL?
Jason Moore
I did. Sorry, you mean someone else?
Andy Holloway
No, I mean like a. Like an. A professional ex running back said that on the air. On espn. Called him the worst recently. Yes. Call him the worst running. I'm going to effort this. You guys keep talking. Worst running back in the history.
Jason Moore
All right, so who.
Mike Wright
Sorry, what? Do we have a question?
Jason Moore
Well, who's.
Mike Wright
I've lost track.
Jason Moore
Here's the question now, Mike. Who's the worst running back in the history of the NFL?
Andy Holloway
Former.
Mike Wright
That's impossible.
Andy Holloway
Former NFL player Ryan Clark said that.
Jason Moore
Ryan Clark.
Mike Wright
He just wants to be in the news.
Andy Holloway
Who?
Jason Moore
Remind me who? Ryan Clark.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I was gonna say remind Jason who a defensive player is. Yeah. Come on, Come on now. All right, next question. Qb start. Sick question from David in Cleveland. He's got Peyton Manning and Philip Rivers.
Mike Wright
Oh, Philip Rivers.
Jason Moore
Rivers. A great matchup.
Mike Wright
Rivers against the Steelers.
Andy Holloway
Oakland though.
Mike Wright
I know, but Philip Rivers. Antonio Gates is back. Philip Rivers at home against the Steelers.
Jason Moore
I Don't know.
Andy Holloway
I am going.
Mike Wright
Yes, yes, yes.
Jason Moore
Water bet.
Andy Holloway
Bounce back week for Peyton Manning.
Mike Wright
That's fine.
Jason Moore
That's a water bet between you guys.
Andy Holloway
By the way, I love Philip Rivers, but I think Peyton will outscore him.
Jason Moore
I'm not hopping in on this, but I will say this. Looking these two matchups over and what I think is going to happen with Owen Daniels, I'm going to say Peyton Manning as well.
Andy Holloway
That's fine. That is. Thanks for, you know, you had the chance to get in on it with me.
Jason Moore
Oh, I don't.
Andy Holloway
Which would have been one of the first times you're ever with a deal with me. It's like the table separates us so you can't ever join. It's like you're sitting next to him.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Both wearing me undies.
Jason Moore
I'll say. What?
Mike Wright
That's true.
Jason Moore
That's true.
Andy Holloway
You know, trust me, I wore me undies all week. I just ran out and I didn't wear them.
Jason Moore
You know, you should have got the 365 pack. They have it.
Andy Holloway
Well, you know, I'm waiting for that.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Still waiting for it to arrive. Brian as well as my. Nevermind. Brian. In Mississippi. Should I trade Randall Cobb and Doug Martin for Julio Jones?
Jason Moore
Randall Cobb.
Mike Wright
I would do it.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I would do that.
Mike Wright
I would do it.
Andy Holloway
Jason, the only Cobb owner in the room here. Hesitating.
Mike Wright
All right, Owner.
Andy Holloway
Because our bias, I don't know. Coming into play heavily.
Jason Moore
Sure.
Mike Wright
No, no, no.
Jason Moore
Okay, so let me just explain what my brain is going through. Right, so you had a really good week out of Doug Martin. You have a little bit of depth for, you know, future bye weeks for injuries, things like that. And you're upgrading, right? You're saying you're upgrading from Randall Cobb to Julio Jones?
Andy Holloway
Without question.
Jason Moore
Okay, so is how big, how important of an upgrade is that to lose, you know, a very potential flex? So you think the difference between Cobb and Julio is going to be large from here on out?
Andy Holloway
Yes.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Mike Wright
The difference right now in leasing our spot.
Andy Holloway
Did you not think that about Antonio Brown and Randall Cobb? Because I mean, Julio is the number one guy right now.
Jason Moore
Yeah, no, I see Randall maybe I just see Randall Cobb higher than you guys. And that's all the, the differences. What is the difference in them right.
Mike Wright
Now so far on the year in our league scoring? They are about 27 points difference after Julio Jones played basically one quarter.
Andy Holloway
Right. And you know, we talked about it last week. Julio's on pace for 181 receptions. He was on pace for you know, he has a little bit. They both have injury risk but just from a pure. I mean Cobb's a slot receiver. He's going to have his games where he scores some touchdowns. You're going to get devonte Adams back. You're going to, to get. I just think Julio difference is significant. All right, what kind of trade value do you guys think Thomas Rawls has?
Mike Wright
None.
Andy Holloway
If he's starting next week.
Jason Moore
Trade.
Andy Holloway
If we found out he's starting next week. Yeah. Would you.
Jason Moore
He has plenty of trade value to the Marshawn lynch owner. I mean if you own Marshawn lynch, you really want Slash probably need Thomas Rawls and so that, that's generally the team. I always, when I've got a handcuff or a backup that's starting and I'm looking to make a trade, I'm always going to be going to the handcuffs. Owner first and foremost because they'll pay the most for them.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I just, it may be. I just think he has very little value moving forward at least right now.
Andy Holloway
All right, Mike, why don't you tell the people a little bit about jointhefoot.com Ah yes.
Mike Wright
Jointhefoot.com is the world's fastest growing and greatest fantasy football community. JoinTheFoot.com you can join in with us and a bunch of other listeners of the show. There's ongoing discussions just constantly happening. Ask your questions. There's exclusive content from, from our show. We do an extra mailbag show every week. There's awesome things like live streams and, and hangouts and waste of, of making sure questions are answered. It's just, it's, it's a really fun thing on the Internet for, for people who like the show. Just another way to connect.
Andy Holloway
Alright, so you can check out jointhefoot.com also don't forget you can go to the website anytime and submit a question to the show and to us. So go to the website, the fantasy footballers.com. click the submit a question button. It's really easy. You can submit your question right there. Tell us what kind of league you're in and we'll do our best to answer those questions. Anything else going on, guys?
Mike Wright
Friday a reminder that Friday there is the Twitter blitz, the official fantasy football.
Andy Holloway
I've been working my fingers out so I can get on Twitter and doing the best. That's exactly how you do.
Mike Wright
I've got mine on rest actually. I'm just resting up. Doing ice baths. Thumb ice baths.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. So stay tuned for that. Follow us on Twitter the Ffballers. Be sure to check us out on YouTube.
Jason Moore
Yeah, if you're on YouTube, I want you to comment whether you think Peyton Manning or Philip Rivers has a better week.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, that's true. That'd be good for the bet.
Mike Wright
Philip Rivers. Goodbye.
Jason Moore
Thank you for listening to another edition of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Don't forget to visit us on the web at www.thefantasyfootballers.com and follow us on Twitter the FFballers.
Fantasy Footballers Podcast - Episode: Week 5 Mailbag Questions, Trade Questions, Starts and Sits
Release Date: October 7, 2015
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
[00:00 - 02:08]
The episode kicks off with a brief advertisement endorsement for Ballpark Flame Grilled Jerky by Andy Holloway. Shortly after, the hosts—Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright—introduce themselves with a light-hearted banter about their shared love for beef jerky.
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[03:12 - 03:55]
A listener poses a direct trade question: swapping Mike Evans for James Jones. The consensus among the hosts is unanimous in favor of taking Mike Evans over James Jones, emphasizing Evans' higher talent and consistent target share.
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[03:55 - 05:12]
Andy proposes a rest-of-season bet between Eddie Lacy and Arian Foster, wagering on who will perform better without including injury clauses. Mike and Jason agree, favoring Foster. The discussion touches upon Lacy’s workload and recent performance, highlighting concerns about Foster’s injury history.
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[05:20 - 09:40]
Adam from Fantasy Island seeks advice on which two wide receivers to start alongside Odell Beckham Jr., choosing between Jordan Matthews, Kamar Aiken, and Allen Robinson. The hosts predominantly recommend Matthews and Robinson, citing favorable matchups and target opportunities.
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[06:42 - 07:27]
Sammy Biscuits needs to decide between starting Sam Bradford or Carson Palmer at quarterback. Mike and Andy lean towards Palmer, considering his higher yardage game and the matchup quality.
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[07:23 - 09:40]
A debate arises over whether to start Mike Evans or Vincent Jackson. The hosts discuss the reliability and touchdown potential of both players, ultimately leaning towards Evans due to his consistent target volume and higher probability of scoring.
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[10:12 - 13:44]
Chris from Salem, Oregon asks about trading Jeremy Macklin for Lamar Miller and Jonathan Stewart. The hosts express strong support for keeping Macklin, lauding his consistent target share and questioning the value of Miller and Stewart. The discussion uses the analogy of appreciating the "delicious cake" that Macklin represents.
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[16:15 - 22:03]
Christian from Newport Beach contemplates trading Chris Ivory for Antonio Brown. The hosts overwhelmingly support acquiring Brown, citing his higher reliability and impact in fantasy scoring compared to Ivory, who has been hampered by injuries and inconsistent play.
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[32:09 - 38:53]
Brian from Lafayette, Louisiana, considers trading Randall Cobb and Doug Martin for Julio Jones. Hosts Mike and Andy endorse the trade, recognizing Julio Jones as a significant upgrade. Jason expresses caution, evaluating the trade based on team needs and recognizing the substantial point differential in favor of Jones.
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[20:44 - 23:25]
Danielle from San Francisco asks whether to trade TJ Yeldon for Brandon Cooks or Vincent Jackson. The hosts advise against it, suggesting that Yeldon’s workload may translate better into consistent fantasy points despite the Jaguars' offensive limitations.
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[35:32 - 36:22]
David from Cleveland faces a quarterback dilemma between Peyton Manning and Philip Rivers. The hosts predominantly favor Manning, anticipating a stronger performance based on game flow and matchup considerations.
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[32:35 - 38:53]
Further trade considerations include trading Randall Cobb for Julio Jones, with Mike emphasizing Julio's superior target volume and scoring potential. Additionally, the hosts discuss Thomas Rawls’ negligible trade value and the implications of Trent Richardson’s performance and reputation in fantasy football.
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[25:55 - 27:28]
The hosts take a moment to promote their sponsors, including MeUndies and FanDuel. They share personal endorsements and discount codes for listeners, highlighting the comfort of MeUndies and the excitement of playing fantasy sports on FanDuel.
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[27:28 - 30:07]
The discussion shifts to evaluating wide receivers available on waivers, prioritizing Kamar Aiken and Jordan Matthews based on their matchups and target potential. Additionally, TJ Yeldon's role and the overall impact of Deion Lewis are analyzed, considering their contributions and injury risks.
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[39:27 - 41:00]
The hosts encourage listeners to join their community at jointhefoot.com, submit questions via their website, and engage with them on social media. They briefly mention upcoming segments and re-iterate promotional offers.
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This episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast provided listeners with in-depth analysis on trade decisions, start/sit dilemmas, and valuable insights into optimizing their fantasy football teams. The hosts combined humor with expert knowledge, ensuring that both novice and seasoned fantasy managers gained actionable advice to enhance their league performance.
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Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this summary are based on the podcast transcript from October 7, 2015, and reflect the hosts' perspectives at that time.