Fantasy Football Podcast 2015 - Week 5 Review, Studs and Duds, MNF Preview, Fantasy News

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary
Episode: Week 5 Review, Studs and Duds, MNF Preview, Fantasy News
Release Date: October 12, 2015
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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Introduction

In this engaging Week 5 episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright delve deep into the latest happenings in the fantasy football landscape. They offer insightful analysis, discuss standout performances, highlight underperformers, and provide valuable advice for the upcoming games, including a preview of the Monday Night Football (MNF) clash between the Chargers and Chiefs.

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Fantasy Rewind: Week 5 Highlights

The hosts kick off the show by reviewing the key events of Week 5, focusing on significant injuries, standout players ("stud muffins"), and disappointing performances ("pooped in their big boy pants").

Notable Injuries

• Jamal Charles:

  • Timestamp [08:31]: Mike Wright reports that Jamal Charles has suffered an ACL tear, raising concerns about his season's longevity. Although not officially confirmed, the consensus is that Charles's season is likely over, severely impacting Chiefs' running back depth.

• T.J. Yeldon:

  • Timestamp [12:16]: Yeldon sustained a groin injury but remains in relatively good condition, catching a touchdown pass despite the injury. His status is not expected to be serious, keeping him as Jacksonville's primary running back.

• Kendall Wright:

  • Timestamp [13:07]: Wright suffered an apparent head injury during the game, raising concerns about his availability for upcoming matches.

• Nick Folk:

  • Timestamp [30:56]: Folk reports a sprained toe injury, while Julio Jones requires monitoring due to limited reps during his team's game.

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Studs and Duds: Player Performance Analysis

The hosts dissect the performances of various players, categorizing them into 'studs' for exceptional performances and 'duds' for underwhelming outputs.

Quarterbacks

• Studs:

  • Josh McCown ([19:11]): Delivered 36 completions for 457 yards, two touchdowns, and a rushing touchdown across three leagues, leading to Andy Holloway's undefeated streak in his leagues.
  • Andy Dalton ([19:16]): Posted 30 completions for 331 yards, two touchdowns, and a rushing TD, benefiting from new offensive weapons in his team.
  • Eli Manning ([19:22]): Achieved 41 completions for 441 yards and three touchdowns, contributing to a strong performance in Andy’s third league.
  • Blake Bortles ([19:08]): Recorded four touchdowns and 300 yards, securing his position as a reliable starter.

• Duds:

  • Peyton Manning ([35:28]): Struggled with 266 yards, two interceptions, and no touchdowns, leading to Andy Holloway's decision to consider streaming him.
  • Matthew Stafford ([35:29]): Had a disappointing game with 188 yards, one touchdown, and three interceptions, prompting discussions about his future as a reliable fantasy option.
  • Matt Ryan ([35:33]): Delivered 254 yards with no touchdowns and two interceptions, placing him in Andy's "big boy pants" section.

Running Backs

• Studs:

  • DeMarco Murray ([25:38]): Consistently provided around 20 fantasy points per game, confirming his reliability despite previous uncertainties.
  • Doug Martin ([28:12]): Demonstrated impressive agility and scoring ability with 24 carries for 123 yards and two touchdowns.
  • Tevin Coleman ([30:28]): Showed promise with 20 carries in a previous game, although his current involvement is minimal due to injuries.

• Duds:

  • Tyler Ifert ([01:07]): Mike Wright admits making a poor trade decision by acquiring Ifert, resulting in a significant loss in his league.
  • CJ Anderson ([35:09]): Recorded 11 carries for 22 yards with no touchdowns, leading to frustration among the hosts.
  • Jeremy Hill ([37:19]): After a lackluster performance, hosts suggest shifting focus to Gio Bernard for better fantasy returns.

Wide Receivers

• Studs:

  • Gary Barnage ([22:38]): Highlighted for his impressive catches and role as a reliable target in Josh McCown's passing scheme.
  • Willie Snead ([24:06]): Praised for his consistent targets and potential upside as a rookie, making him a valuable waiver wire addition.
  • Julio Jones: Monitored for limited reps but remains a significant threat when active.

• Duds:

  • Andre Johnson ([21:29]): Despite two touchdowns, his performance is overshadowed by Willie Snead's potential and Johnson's declining role.
  • Mike Evans and Randall Cobb: Both recorded only three catches each, with Jason Moore noting their underperformance in their respective games.

Tight Ends

• Gary Barnage ([34:44]): Praised for his utilization in both passing and scoring situations, making him a preferred option over Jimmy Graham.
• Tyler Ifert ([34:43]): Due to Mike Wright's poor trade involving Ifert, he falls into the 'pooped in big boy pants' category.

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Monday Night Football (MNF) Preview

The hosts preview the upcoming MNF game between the Chargers and Chiefs, expressing confidence in the Chargers' victory.

• Chargers vs. Chiefs Prediction ([01:42]): Mike Wright confidently predicts a Chargers win, a sentiment echoed by Jason Moore. This prediction is based on the Chiefs' injury woes, particularly the loss of Jamal Charles, which undermines their running game and overall performance.

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Fantasy News and Updates

The segment covers various fantasy-relevant news items, including player statuses, trade evaluations, and strategic advice.

• Twitter Blitz Success ([03:50]): The Fantasy Footballers successfully executed a non-stop Twitter blitz, engaging fans and disseminating information rapidly. Although halted by Twitter's automated systems, they persisted by switching to Mike's account, ultimately breaking their target.

• DeMarco Murray's Consistency ([25:26]): Despite initial doubts, Murray's consistent performance reassures fantasy managers about his reliability, securing around 20 fantasy points weekly.

• Josh McCown's Ankle Sprain ([42:54]): Concerns are raised about McCown's health and his usage rate, given his history of concussions and recent performance streaks.

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Listener Mailbag

The hosts address listener questions submitted via the Fantasy Footballers' website, providing personalized advice and insights.

• Jay in Canada ([41:34]):

  • Question: Should Jay own Theo Riddick in 12-man PPR keeper leagues?
  • Answer: The waiver wire is thin, and given Amir Abdullah's poor performance and injuries on his team, owning Riddick might not be advisable.

• Gary Barnage vs. Jimmy Graham ([41:34]):

  • Question: Is Gary Barnage for real, and should he be started over Jimmy Graham?
  • Answer: Andy Holloway affirms Barnage's legitimacy due to his role in McCown's offense and suggests starting him over Graham based on matchup and opportunities.

• Nile Davis vs. Kendrick West ([43:57]):

  • Question: In situations where one must choose between Nile Davis and Kendrick West, who is the better pick?
  • Answer: Both hosts favor Kendrick West but recommend claiming Nile Davis as well. They advise dropping players like Tevin Coleman or Alfred Morris to accommodate these backups, emphasizing West's upward trajectory and Davis's established role.

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Conclusions and Final Advice

The Fantasy Footballers wrap up the episode with strategic recommendations and encouragement for listeners to stay engaged through their platforms.

• Streaming Quarterbacks:

  • The hosts recommend streaming quarterbacks like Josh McCown and Matthew Stafford based on matchups and performance trends, advising managers to remain flexible and responsive to weekly developments.

• Waiver Wire Recommendations:

  • Players like Willie Snead and Gary Barnage are highlighted as valuable additions to fantasy rosters, offering upside and consistent targets essential for fantasy success.

• Injury Management:

  • Emphasis is placed on monitoring key injuries and making informed decisions to optimize team performance, such as addressing Jamal Charles's ACL tear and assessing the impact on team dynamics.

• Community Engagement:

  • Listeners are encouraged to participate in the Fantasy Footballers' community through their website and social media platforms for ongoing support and information.

Notable Quotes:

• Mike Wright ([01:07]):
  "I traded Tyler Ifert in a deal for Charles Clay, and I lost by 10 points in one of my leagues."

• Andy Holloway ([19:16]):
  "If you look at him this year, he's had. He's kind of gone back and forth between throwing for some touchdowns and then throwing for some picks."

• Jason Moore ([44:17]):
  "This week is why. If you watch the game, they were in the lead the entire game. They were on the goal line multiple times."

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Final Remarks

The Fantasy Footballers podcast episode provides a comprehensive review of Week 5, offering listeners valuable insights into player performances, injury impacts, and strategic decisions for their fantasy teams. By blending expert analysis with engaging discussions, the hosts equip fantasy managers with the knowledge needed to navigate the complexities of the season successfully.

For more detailed discussions and weekly updates, listeners are encouraged to visit www.thefantasyfootballers.com and join their vibrant community at jointhefoot.com.

Transcript

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Chewbacca.

[Mike Wright]

It's Monday, October 12th, and I'm disappointed.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh.

[Mike Wright]

In myself.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm very happy. A very happy man.

[Mike Wright]

Why are you. Oh, okay. You know, when you say it like that, you make it sound directly proportional to my disappointment.

[Andy Holloway]

It is. It's.

[Mike Wright]

You're so happy because I'm disappointed.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, I'm sure it. It factors in.

[Mike Wright]

Listen, I need to come clean on something, guys. I. I made a mistake. I made a lot of right decisions this week, but, you know, one wrong decision can turn you sour. And I'm sour because I traded Tyler Ifert in a deal for Charles Clay, and I lost by 10 points in one of my leagues, and, well, the gap between those was a lot more than 10.

[Jason Moore]

And your trade.

[Mike Wright]

Can I get an undo?

[Jason Moore]

Your trade is likely leading to a loss for me.

[Mike Wright]

Well, that I don't mind.

[Andy Holloway]

And I am so happy.

[Mike Wright]

All right, welcome to the show. Week five is nearly in the books. We got a Monday night Football game tonight, and I think the Chargers win that one. Really? I do.

[Jason Moore]

I think they do, too.

[Mike Wright]

But we'll see a lot of fantasy relevant players.

[Andy Holloway]

I think they do, too. Thank you.

[Mike Wright]

So we're gonna. We're gonna do the fantasy rewind today. We're gonna talk about what we saw. We got some big injuries. We've got this week's fantasy stud muffins on the show today. I mean, not literally on the show, but we're gonna talk about them. And then we got our pooped in our big boy pants section, which I did with that ifrt trade. And then we got some mailbag. We're gonna answer listener questions as well if you want to get a hold of the show. How do we do that? How do we find. How do people find us?

[Jason Moore]

Internet.

[Mike Wright]

All right, so where else do we.

[Jason Moore]

Say we're the fantasy footballers?

[Mike Wright]

Well, I mean, the intro guy did.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, there's two. There's two great ways to find the fantasy footballers. One is our website, the fantasy footballers.com youm can submit questions on there. We answer them all the time. The other is jointhefoot.com. if you think that you are one of our main fans. You love our show. Join our [e-mail] that's where we spend a lot of our time as well.

[Mike Wright]

We're also broadcast on the Fantasy sports network and our show can be watched on YouTube. You can follow us on TwitterFFballers. We are fresh off of a finger bleeding Twitter blitz.

[Jason Moore]

We broke Twitter.

[Mike Wright]

We really did. So we. We had our what we hashtag ballers blitz. We had a non stop. This was part of the reward for our supporters on jointhefoot.com it was a non stop Twitter blitz. It started at 10am on Pacific Time and we went till 6. Now at about 3:30 in the afternoon, Twitter stopped us. Twitter said, you have tweeted too much.

[Andy Holloway]

You must be a robot.

[Mike Wright]

They said you need to wait a little while. And so we said, no, we will not wait. We will go over to Mike's Twitter ffhitman and we will continue the blitz until we break his. And then we broke his. So that is a successful Twitter blitz.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Which I don't know exactly how many. I wonder if I can find that right now. How many questions were answered in that amount of time. But I got really tired.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that was exhausting. I feel like if I played a game of basketball or something and went home, I'd be far less exhausted than that Twitter blitz that destroyed my brain.

[Jason Moore]

So speaking of our friends at sleeper Bot, who we opened the show with, I just got an alert from them saying that because they with the Chiefs thinking that Jamal Charles is out with an ACL tear, the Chiefs will work out. Drum roll please. Ben Tate. I don't know how serious they're taking this ACL tear.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, well, you know what? Their season's over. The chief season's over.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, probably.

[Mike Wright]

They're one in four. They lost Jamal Charles. They're losing games. They should win for the second straight week in a row. It is not looking good there.

[Jason Moore]

Here's. Here's what you need to do. Andy Reid, you have a.

[Mike Wright]

You're talking to me for a second.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, this is. This is a note to Andy Reid from. From me. You have a player on your team who is.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no, this is a Travis Kelsey.

[Jason Moore]

He is a monster of a man.

[Mike Wright]

What did he do this week?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he did. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Poop.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he did. Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

As we'll see when we get to the tight ends. There's a weird tight end.

[Mike Wright]

You know this injury helps the Travis Kelce owners.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Because of goal line and it should.

[Jason Moore]

But you have Travis Kelsey on Your team yards after catch for Travis Kelce. I don't have the number in front of me, but that guy is just a monster. Every time he catches the ball, he gets at least five yards. I feel like after contact he is ridiculous. Get him some targets.

[Mike Wright]

I want those new stats that are like he does this. I feel like he does this. The stats. Well, I feel like Julio scores 20 touchdowns a game.

[Jason Moore]

I wasn't prepared for this.

[Mike Wright]

I know.

[Andy Holloway]

Is that like the windshield chill? You know, it's 80 degrees out. Feels like 102.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah. I mean it feels like Kelsey goes for about 500. I'll look it up after that. Yeah, you should. Then you'll sound legitimate. All right, quick question of the day. What do you do with Peyton Manning?

[Andy Holloway]

He's about as hot as a Klondike bar right now. I think so.

[Jason Moore]

So that ties everything together because what would you do for a Klondike bar? Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, that was where it was coming from.

[Mike Wright]

I would trade him for Eli Manning.

[Jason Moore]

I'd trade him for a Klondike bar.

[Andy Holloway]

I would. Here's what I would do if I had Peyton Manning. I would stream him if he's got a good matchup, which he did. No, that's fine. I mean you're not, you're not always going to. I mean it's not just. You get a good matchup so you get a good.

[Mike Wright]

Still available.

[Andy Holloway]

And then I would wait until he has a big blow up game, has one of those three touchdown games which are going to come.

[Mike Wright]

They are.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

If you look at him this year, he's had. He's kind of gone back and forth between throwing for some touchdowns and then throwing for some picks.

[Mike Wright]

Well, you can cut that Owen Daniels rapport with a knife, can't you?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man. As he was one of those, one of those interceptions was Owen Daniel not breaking to the left in the end zone for a red zone target.

[Mike Wright]

The tight end defense is flip flop this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Because Oakland normally gave it up and Baltimore normally stopped it. And then that was Barnage came to town.

[Andy Holloway]

That was my one regret from this last week. I feel like I was on point for most of my stuff, but I was an anti Barnage and probably Owen Daniels guy. I apologize.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to toot my own horn on one little issue because I was so boisterous on Sunday morning about it. And that is Marcus Wilson.

[Jason Moore]

Marquis. Marquis, Yeah, I believe it's Marquis.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, well, I.

[Jason Moore]

Let's just call him.

[Mike Wright]

Listen, he's the guy who Scored. He. I started him in every single league and told people to start him on Twitter for Cutler because he was the number one and Kansas City ended up blowing that game. And so if you started Marcus Wilson, congratulations. It didn't help me win this stupid league because I traded to Tyler if it. All right, let's get into the weekly rewind.

[Andy Holloway]

Weekly rewind.

[Jason Moore]

I have an update on Travis kelsey yards after catch 214. That puts him feels like 250. Okay. Well here the number two guy, a Rob Gronkowski. I guess he had the bye week, but 168.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So I don't number one in that.

[Mike Wright]

Where's Barnage?

[Jason Moore]

He's number four.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I was wondering Hunters.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not sure if this week is calculated in.

[Mike Wright]

That doesn't even count as barn catch.

[Jason Moore]

I'm looking at Pro football Focus. I think this week is in there. But he's. Kelsey is dominating with all of his catches.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Speaking of not that all right. Jamal Charles tore his acl. I don't expect. I mean, it's not official. Right. But I don't expect him to come back and say is he's actually fine.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I don't. I don't know. We. We watched Andre Ellington do something similar and then he's back.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. But they did not come out and say the preliminary report on Ellington. That's horn acl.

[Andy Holloway]

It looked yucky.

[Mike Wright]

Fact. I'm going to just double check because classic Charles. Oh, it's not. He's done it once before. Opposite knee. Right.

[Jason Moore]

That I don't know. That I do not. Do not recall.

[Mike Wright]

All right, so Jamal Charles. This. This stinks for Charles owners. Who's the back to own or is there one or what kind of fab money are you spending? Because I don't know, maybe this is just me because my teams have enough running back depth that I don't care as much. But I'm kind of blase on the big fab spend on west or Nile. Am I crazy to be blase about that?

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think you're crazy to be blase about that.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, I know you've got to spend money, man.

[Andy Holloway]

There's probably going to be more of a timeshare. There's definitely going to be more of a timeshare than there was when Nile took over last year or, you know, obviously than there is with Jamal Charles. Here's why I'm a little bit excited about it. I'm a little bit excited because Niall Davis has the name recognition he had Such a great time without Jamal Charles in the past that I think that that is who the majority of your league mates are going to be putting their claim on is Nile Davis. And I don't think that's the right guy to put it on.

[Mike Wright]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Which means you're going to get Shark, Hendrick, west cheaper and have the better player. That's.

[Mike Wright]

West is the better player. West is the better player for sure. He has more pep to his step. All right. He can break bigger runs and he's looked better than Nile all year long.

[Jason Moore]

As the owner of a Jeremy Hill and a C.J.

[Mike Wright]

Anderson, you'll be spending.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to spend some money.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's exactly right. So what does spend some money mean? What do you got left in one of your leagues that you consider that in our league?

[Jason Moore]

What do we have?

[Mike Wright]

100 bucks?

[Jason Moore]

Fab.

[Mike Wright]

I have.

[Jason Moore]

I think I'm in the 80s.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I might dump at least half of that.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

At least.

[Andy Holloway]

And now are you going to. Are you going to put claims in for both guys?

[Jason Moore]

Maybe, Maybe. But it sounds like west has got two weeks, I mean, prophetically, of the Chiefs. Two weeks ago, they came out and said, west has passed Davis on the depth chart. All the carries have gone to West. West was the first one in. But I'm going to be extremely aggressive because I need running back help.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Asked Sunday evening why Latavius Murray played sparingly in the second half, Jack Del Rio said they were focused on his health. Now, this was a big Twitter topic because Murray started out, he looked okay. You know, you will have to wonder how hurt he is because I would have been focusing on the win.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

As well, but he wasn't on the field. What do we do with Latavius Murray? A couple good weeks, couple bad weeks. Now I don't know.

[Jason Moore]

And that's two weeks in a row. A benching. Non benching of last week where, oh, no, we didn't bench him. He just caused two turnovers and then wasn't playing after that.

[Mike Wright]

But maybe he was hurt then, too. I mean, it's possible he was banged up then, too.

[Jason Moore]

It's very possible.

[Mike Wright]

Or.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, he wasn't playing bad, though. It's not like he was playing banged up and they needed to take him out.

[Jason Moore]

But.

[Andy Holloway]

So if they're really sitting him for health reasons, that means they see him.

[Jason Moore]

As valuable or he's screwing up blitz pickups. And these are like, I have to go back and watch the tape to really know what was going on.

[Andy Holloway]

But It's.

[Jason Moore]

It's a mystery even to me at this point.

[Mike Wright]

All right. T.J. yelden had a groin injury. He says it is not serious. He caught a touchdown pass. It was actually. If you saw the play, it was kind of funny because Bortles just kept like rolling left and dancing around for like 12 minutes and then found Yelden in the back of the end zone. So it wasn't like a designed pass catch for Yelden. It was an eventuality. But Yelden said the groin injury isn't serious, which would be good news for Jacksonville because he's their every down guy. Julius Thomas did play, had two catchers for 20 yards. Do we care about signing him this week? You see a pickup?

[Jason Moore]

Maybe.

[Andy Holloway]

I guess he's.

[Jason Moore]

No, I mean, he's a tight end. He's worth picking up. He's worth picking up. I don't know if I'm going to play him right away, but that was a quite a surprise. The Jaguars executed in a flawless smokescreen of that Thomas is not going to play. And then he did. And he was a huge factor in the game. He screwed everything up for Tampa Bay.

[Mike Wright]

Now Justin Forset has an ankle injury. I saw the play. It doesn't look serious, but if it's high ankle, you can miss a week or two, if not more. And he, he had a good game. They ran him. Let's scored.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's say he's out and you're the four set owner.

[Mike Wright]

Buck out.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's what I was going to ask.

[Mike Wright]

By far. Talia Farrow missed the game.

[Jason Moore]

My third running back on that team. I was just talking about his four set. I am just so screwed right now.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, well, at least you're not. All right. Kendall Wright has an apparent head injury.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he went down at. Towards the end of the game.

[Mike Wright]

Very disappointing. He was.

[Jason Moore]

He was down for a while and we don't have an update on him yet.

[Mike Wright]

Now what's the latest on. Now on. On the same play and I saw this. Aguilar and Miles Austin both got injured. So Aguilar, he was limping off. He didn't look like. I mean, he looked very uncomfortable.

[Andy Holloway]

Josh Huff.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You know, did score.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

That game. Let's talk about that game for just two seconds. Did you guys. How much of that Philly game did you watch?

[Jason Moore]

Good amount.

[Mike Wright]

Bradford did not look good.

[Jason Moore]

Well, what are you talking about are the multiple picks in the end zone.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, man, he just. I don't know. I will say this. He. Drew Brees looked worse. Drew Brees messed Up.

[Andy Holloway]

If Drew Brees didn't have garbage time, crazy late game touchdowns this season, he'd be like, I'm going to tell you 20.

[Mike Wright]

He's going to be doing wrangler and Manning's going to be doing DirecTV and that's going to be their full time job soon. So. All right, Odell Beckham Jr. Had a hamstring injury last night. What's the latest, Mike?

[Jason Moore]

He, well, he got pulled out or I guess he pulled himself out of the game. And the funny thing is he looked perfectly fine until he did his massive end zone celebration dance that was like.

[Mike Wright]

Way over the top.

[Jason Moore]

And then he went gimpy like.

[Mike Wright]

Well, let's, let's calm it down.

[Jason Moore]

I am all for celebrity. This is why I think you should be able to use the ball. If you use the ball, then you're less likely to hurt.

[Mike Wright]

You are able to use the ball.

[Jason Moore]

No, you can spike the ball. You can't. Like what's his face? The Ram.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. The guy who laid down.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

He got fined.

[Mike Wright]

Did he?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Even though they didn't penalize him in the game.

[Jason Moore]

Correct. But he got a fine because the NFL doesn't like the foul.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not with you, though. Here's what I think. I like the Larry Fitzgerald. I've been there before. Every time Larry Fitzgerald scores a touchdown, tosses it to the referee, runs off the field.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, get off my lawn, young kid.

[Mike Wright]

Dude, odb, spend your effort. You know, you sound like a guy who wears briefs.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll be honest, when I'm watching, when I'm watching those games, I'd much rather see the John Brown touchdown and have him do some crazy salsa dance. That's entertaining to me. But.

[Jason Moore]

So anyways, so he was out of the game for a while. The final drive, he did come in. He drew a pass interference and then Eli Manning done. Now that was a monstrous catch. What a catch.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, that was super.

[Jason Moore]

So we don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

The one thing that I would say about ODB is that this hamstring has been a lingering coming back repeating injury. He missed four games last year. So it is, it is to me a mild concern as far as him being able to play all 16 games. So he would have been a good option though.

[Mike Wright]

And also, also, real quick, I, Matt Jones, we'll give you injury updates. We don't have a lot of information yet. So Matt Jones had a sprained toe injury. A quick note. Julio Jones needs to be monitored. He seems fine in the game, but he only took a couple Couple reps.

[Jason Moore]

He doesn't seem very fine in the game. He's always. That's him getting up after every catch and he's still fine.

[Mike Wright]

But he growls when he scores fantasy points. All right, go ahead.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

True.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

In your pocket goes, I love it.

[Mike Wright]

And then you got a bit of news in there.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, last week I actually made a couple trade offers based solely on that app.

[Mike Wright]

You know, I'm glad that the sleeper bot app does not make that sound every time Abdullah fumbles. Otherwise my battery on my phone would run out. But yeah, grab sleeper bot app. Today we're gonna go through and we're gonna take a look at the games or actually, you know what? I take. Take that back. We're going to go ahead and get into the stud muffins.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. This week's fantasy stud muffins portals McCown.

[Jason Moore]

Speaking of Amir Abdullah. Not a stud man.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. We should add him below.

[Mike Wright]

If there's one reason that the Lions are on five, it's Joy Bell's missing.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Because you under. He's a little. He's got a little Tebow in him.

[Andy Holloway]

We're not allowed to talk.

[Mike Wright]

He rallies the squad.

[Andy Holloway]

We're not allowed to say that name while we're talking about fantasy stud muffins.

[Mike Wright]

And no, we can't. He eats a lot of muffins.

[Andy Holloway]

That's true. I'll go ahead and talk about the quarterbacks.

[Mike Wright]

Of course you will. You went undefeated in all your leagues thanks to the quarterbacks. You talk about it.

[Andy Holloway]

In our main three leagues, I went three and oh. And it was thanks to three of these four guys. Started Josh McCown, 36 completions for 457 yards, two touchdowns. And he ran another one in. Started Andy Dalton against the Seattle D. I was saying that Andy Dalton might be the truth with all those new weapons. And he had 30 completions for 331 yards, two touchdowns, and he ran another one in. And then in the third league, I started Eli Manning, who had 41 completions, 441 yards and three touchdowns. And we can't forget Blake Bortles. You had an amazing week as well with four touchdowns, 300 yards. So there's a lot of here's who was not named in these fantasy stud muffins for quarterbacks. Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees. You see why we say in draft season, stream these guys and it's not like you.

[Mike Wright]

Did you say stream them or were you the guy saying always start? Matthew Stafford. I can't remember.

[Andy Holloway]

I was definitely the stream candidate because.

[Mike Wright]

I know you were the Orlovsky guy.

[Andy Holloway]

And here's the thing, right? We help you pick these guys. We picked Josh McCown this week. That was your stream guy. I had him ranked as My number five.

[Mike Wright]

That's a home on and then worked.

[Andy Holloway]

Out and I changed mine. Hopefully you guys are following us on Twitter. A lot of times we give you. You know, I had Jay Cutler this last week as my. As my fantasy stream of the week, but we pick those really early so you can get them on the waiver day. And then, of course, Alshon was out, Eddie Royal was out. So I posted on Sunday morning, you know, don't play Cutler. Play McCown. And Cutler still had a great game. He did very well against that awful Kansas City secondary.

[Mike Wright]

Man, they held up for almost the whole game.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I am done doubting Andy Dalton. Yeah, I'm done.

[Mike Wright]

Are you getting your now, I assume the Jeremy Hill tattoo?

[Jason Moore]

Well, see, I already have the bangles.

[Mike Wright]

That's what I mean.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Yo, you're going to convert the Jeremy Hill on your jersey to a Dalton red rocket.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, all I have to do is I'm bringing in a picture of Ronald McDonald and say, Put this hair on this guy.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. All right, wide receivers, we talked about Andre Johnson. Mike said he would not go and sign him off of waivers.

[Jason Moore]

No, I would not.

[Mike Wright]

He had a big game on Thursday night Football. Now, Alan Robinson, another fantasy stud muffin type of week. Two touchdowns. Alan Hearns played very well. Five for 116 and a touchdown. As long as that team is in these matchups where he's going to throw the ball a lot and I mean even more if Julius is back to kind of pull the defenses to the middle of the field. And Yelden, this injury be watching because Hearns is a. An every week start. He got started against me and he beat me in one league. So Brandon Cook's got a hit the button. Do we really? I mean, if that's the case, why are we putting him in the. The fantasy stud muffins?

[Jason Moore]

Because like you said, garbage. You love garbage production. It's your favorite.

[Mike Wright]

Five for 107 and a touchdown.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's your favorite.

[Mike Wright]

It's okay. There are probably. Aren't there another seven or eight guys we could have put in there like that?

[Jason Moore]

Nope.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Willie Snead.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah. The need.

[Mike Wright]

I got the need for. Need for Sneed. 6 for 147.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, and we got.

[Mike Wright]

It's like the.

[Jason Moore]

Dude, you got to shout this out. Our residents Photoshop fan rumballs.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

For Sneed one was. That is the most legit Photoshop we've seen you.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Your Photoshops are giving us the dedication we need to come up with more horrible Puns, I mean, are the motivation. We need to come up with more terrible puns. We will, trust me. There might be some with Gary Barnage and a barn somewhere, but I. I haven't figured it out yet. All right, Julian Edelman. Monster move in the middle of the field.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Reminded me of a Jordy Nelson cutback.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Took it to the house. They took care of business. All right, let's go ahead and look at running back.

[Jason Moore]

Well, that's a hold. Hold on.

[Mike Wright]

All right, Wheelie Sneed. We can hold on.

[Jason Moore]

We got a Willie Snead. Are we buying into Willie Snead?

[Andy Holloway]

100%. I am buying into Willie Snead week after week after week. He's been on the field for more snapshots, he's had more targets. He's earned the trust of Drew brees, and I'm 100% on board. He is the number two guy there.

[Mike Wright]

For Drew Brees, so I believe he is the number one guy there for Drew Brees.

[Jason Moore]

So you're. You're completely in.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Oh, you know, you take away. I know. I'm not saying it doesn't count on the fantasy board, but the last pass of the game to Brandon Cooks for the touchdown. I believe Cooks has four catches, no touchdown. Snead has by far the best game.

[Andy Holloway]

Snead did get quite a bit in the same drive, but I think the.

[Jason Moore]

Nice thing is Cook's catches were on the last drive.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I was remembering.

[Mike Wright]

Right. There was a lot. All I'm saying is Snead looks the reason you can buy in just for fantasy owners out there when we. This is a perfect contrast. Andre Johnson, 6 for 77, two touchdowns. Okay. Mike's not buying in. Willie Sneed, 6 for 147. We're buying in. Why? Because Andre Johnson's old and Willie Snead is a rookie, and his. His role hasn't been established, which means that there is upside there. There isn't the same upside for Andre Johnson in terms of snaps, targets, all those things. Snead, we don't know what his upset is. Right. Am I. Am I explaining that correctly?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Well, Sneed is. So if he had to cheat is ascending.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

Andre Johnson. Andre Johnson's not even descending. Andre Johnson is down.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. So while he had a good week, I'm going to give him credit for that.

[Jason Moore]

And for those who are like, oh, the revenge game, how'd CJ Spiller do against the Saints? Yeah, exactly.

[Mike Wright]

Against the Saints. He's playing himself.

[Jason Moore]

CJ Spiller oh, who am I now? Now I confused. Oh, not C.J. spiller. Sprouls.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, sorry. All right. Sorry.

[Jason Moore]

I had.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Brain fart. It's okay. It's kind of the same player. They switch. Switch teams, man.

[Jason Moore]

Now I'm just. Now I've confused myself.

[Mike Wright]

So Willie speed over Andre Johnson in the waiver wire.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, 100%. I would rather have Willie Snead. All right, put it this way. Next week I will start Willie Snead. If he's on my roster. I would not have any trust to start Andre Johnson.

[Mike Wright]

All right, we've got the running back spot, and I have to hit the button again. Mike, you owe him a second one.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, you really do.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

Mr. Devonta Freeman, the.

[Mike Wright]

I don't.

[Jason Moore]

I don't even know what I.

[Mike Wright]

The things that.

[Jason Moore]

I don't even know what I could say. I. I besmirched your name. I ran it through the mud. I ran it through the garbage dump. I left you abandoned and dead on the side of the road.

[Mike Wright]

Bring the strings in here. All right, my friend, I'm sorry.

[Jason Moore]

You are the truth.

[Andy Holloway]

Devontae Freeman, like a Phoenix, he rose from that garbage dumpster.

[Mike Wright]

I am. I figured it out. He heard that episode. That's what I figured out. Devontae Freeman heard the episode where you besmirched him 27 for 153. A complete, unadulterated commitment to the run by the Falcons. They won the game 7 for 44 through the air. And honestly, one of his. His rushing touchdown was a passing touchdown the play before. And I actually changed the channel because I didn't think there was any way they would overturn it. And then I find out they overturned today's NFL. Yeah, it's ridiculous. But Devonta Freeman, does our opinions change at all now that he's done it three straight weeks in terms of. Would you just go out and try to work him in a deal for AP or for a big. Another big name?

[Andy Holloway]

I would still rather have another big name because I do think Tevin Coleman, while he was back, he was barely worked in. I think he got what, like one or two carries. And so it's one of those things where you can make the argument and we should realize that there's a chance that, okay, he's back, but they're not going to change the mold because the mold has been working. They're five and, oh, three of those games. You know, Devonta Freeman was the man getting the entire workload and they're just going to roll with it. That's a legitimate possibility. I think that it's probably more likely though that Tevin Coleman, as he gets further, further back from his injury, eats into the workload a little bit. And I don't see Devonta Freeman Having the 27 carries week in week three weeks from now. I don't think Devonta Freeman is going to be getting those 25 plus carry games. And that's why I would rather trade him for a guy who doesn't necessarily like an AP or some.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I can go either way with that. I agree with all of your assessment. Coleman only played nine snaps this past week. But you know, you can come down off of 27 carries and still be pretty darn effective. In the NFL if you got 17 carries and you're catching three or four balls, you know, half PPR league.

[Andy Holloway]

You bring up a really good point because look at when Tevin Coleman was completely healthy. Tevin Coleman had 20 carries in a game and Devonta Freeman had 10. That's, you know, 30 carries to your main guys. And so you just flip the script on that. Yep, Devonta Freeman's number one.

[Mike Wright]

Coleman could get some goal line.

[Andy Holloway]

So Freeman really should be. Even if Coleman is worked in and both guys are healthy by that logic and just remembering those first couple games, Devonta Freeman really should have 20 carries a game. And you can do a lot with 20 carries. Just imagine if Lamar Miller could ever get 20 carries in a game.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Other guys that stood out. Doug Martin looked great. 24 for 123, two touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

What do you think about Doug Martin?

[Andy Holloway]

He's looked good all year as far as running the ball. It's a matter of opportunity. But he has eyeball test the entire season.

[Mike Wright]

If you watch that game, there were probably, I would say six, six to eight plays where he made kind of above average moves to get into the open field to. He scored on a really tight goal line jump. He scored on a pass. He scored on some shifty moves. I mean, he looks kind of like how he looked in the preseason. There's still going to be games where this team's down by three scores and you're going to wonder if Charles, I mean Charles Sims had a good game as well. You know, I think he had 73 through the air or something like that. So Sims could get more work on those games when the game flow changes. And that's just the risk you run with a good running back on a bad team.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

Do you agree?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

[Mike Wright]

Well, all right. So would you rather have Doug Martin going forward or Justin Forset four set. Okay. For set was 21 for 121 and a touchdown for 49 through the air. Ankle injury you need to monitor. Now one guy that I'm very glad had a good game statistically, fantasy wise is DeMarco Murray. Because I had him rated very high this week and I gotta be honest with you, rating him that high felt terrible, felt terrible and it felt scary. And I was worried about giving these recommendations because, you know, he hasn't done it up to this point and you know, there are guys like Hill that we can say, okay, he's gonna bounce back. He doesn't bounce back or four set, that does. And so I'm worried. I was worried Murray might not be that guy, but he wants. So Murray had 20 for 83 and a touchdown, 7 for 37 through the air. This is exactly the stat line I would expect from DeMarco Murray on most weeks. A touchdown 20 for 80. Sharing the rock with Ryan Matthews and then catching a lot of check down stuff that gives you kind of that baseline of a fantasy game.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I got no problem with that. I had him very high as well. I think running back 10 going into this week. So very happy he came through. And it looks like the Eagles offensive line has figured out something with the running game because that is, to me, when I watched the game, the difference, you know, they were. They were doing some guard polls where they would get out in front of them and there would be some blockers and there wouldn't be defenders in the backfield, which is always helpful for a running back.

[Mike Wright]

It doesn't hurt when you have the opportunity to, you know, take a step or 2. Todd Gurley, 30 carries and it should have been 60 the way Nick Foles was throwing the ball. I mean, I got to tell you, he's got to be the worst if you're. He's the worst if you're in a. I'll give him credit. He took some hits to make those horrible passes downfield. Sorry, you were saying if you're in a, like a five points per interception league, you draft Foals number one.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I was still on. On the stud Muffin Gurley. I'm just saying if you're in a.

[Mike Wright]

Keeper stand Gurley, not on Foals.

[Andy Holloway]

If you're in a keeper league, you know, and you need a piece for the future. Man, does he look like what, you know, the Rams were hoping he would be and he hasn't got in the end zone yet. So there might be an owner out there that's willing. That's my point. There might be an owner out there willing to give up something decent. And I think that you can overpay for him in a keeper league and be happy with that for years to come.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

It might be too early to say that we're two games.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, no.

[Jason Moore]

I was just going to say there. There are very few running backs at this point. I've only seen two games. But what you just, you can't that eyeball test that, that he put on the Packers, I mean, they're. The packers know they're going to run and it doesn't matter. There are very, very few running backs who I would trade Gurley for. Like I'm talking, I want. If I'm going to move Gurley at this point, I want an upper echelon player in the rest of the league. Probably. Maybe they don't agree with that. Then I'm not trading him. Like, I'm not. Basically, I'll say this, I'm not trading Todd.

[Mike Wright]

Let me ask you, I have a great, okay, redraft league, non dynasty redraft league. Somebody comes to you and they say, I'll give you devontae Freeman for Todd Gurley. What do you do? What do you do rest of season?

[Andy Holloway]

I think I would rather have Freeman from a touchdown standpoint because Atlanta's offense is going to be putting up a lot of points and I don't think the Rams are in a redraft league where the only thing that matters is now. And I'm not looking into the future and hoping the Rams get better and build around Gurley this season. They're both going to be pretty good, but I want those touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

All right. And then Thomas Rawls had a very big game. 23 for 169 and a touchdown, including a very long touchdown that I don't want to talk about because it destroyed me in one of my leagues. But. And it, you know, it's funny because if you looked on paper. Excuse me, if you looked on paper, Rawls, Dalton, you didn't want to start those guys because of the matchups. They're in Cincinnati against a really good run defense. Backup running back Fred Jackson is active, which, you know. No, no, you should have started him. Rawls had a huge game. And you know, if you're the lynch owner and you don't own Rawls, maybe you need to snag him before next week.

[Andy Holloway]

Or if you're the Rawls owner and you can get lynch for something. I'm just saying either way, those two guys need to be on.

[Jason Moore]

What's your temperature on lynch right now?

[Mike Wright]

I think he plays next week and he'll be okay.

[Jason Moore]

You think he'll be fine.

[Mike Wright]

That's, that's my current, you know, assessment.

[Jason Moore]

Do we think that Rawls eats anything?

[Mike Wright]

No, no.

[Jason Moore]

You think lynch comes back and he's.

[Mike Wright]

I think Rawls goes the way of D'Angelo Williams when Lynch comes back.

[Andy Holloway]

I agree, but I don't spelling him.

[Mike Wright]

From here to here.

[Andy Holloway]

At the same point, I would have no, you know, no issue assuming that Marshawn lynch will come back and maybe miss another game, you know, as the weeks go on. So you got to keep roles there.

[Mike Wright]

Tight end wise, you had EIford 8 for 90 and two touchdowns. You had Barnage 8 for 139 and a touchdown.

[Jason Moore]

And if you did not have those.

[Mike Wright]

Two guys, you were sad you had no one. Yeah. Charles Clay cramps one for seven. We'll get into that in the tight end section. So Ifert here to stay, huh?

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

And Gary Barnage. You guys see the barn catch? Caught it right in his barn.

[Andy Holloway]

I've.

[Jason Moore]

I've never seen a man with stronger glutes.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that was impressive. I watched that play over and over.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I, you know, I mean, you want to talk about a lucky play? There was the back half of that. There was a little bit of skill there, but, you know, they went up.

[Jason Moore]

There was skill from his back half.

[Andy Holloway]

Very nice.

[Mike Wright]

All right, let's get into our next segment.

[Andy Holloway]

Hooped in his big boy pants.

[Mike Wright]

If you haven't heard this section before, we talk about guys that we expected big things from and then we look forward. What do these bad games do to them? Fantasy wise, what do you do with them on your team? Peyton Manning, 266, two picks, no touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

Woof.

[Mike Wright]

Matthew Stafford, 188. One touchdown, three picks.

[Andy Holloway]

Benched.

[Mike Wright]

Benched. Benched. Matt Ryan, Enigmatic in my opinion. 254, zero touchdowns, two options.

[Jason Moore]

He didn't play very great.

[Mike Wright]

You know what? Washington is not bad.

[Andy Holloway]

We got a sleeper bot. Breaking news, Chuck. Yeah, I know. Chuck Pagano told reporters that Andrew Luck was a full participant at practice. So you can drop Matt Hasselbeck now because everyone had them from your league, from here.

[Mike Wright]

All right, that is interesting. And I was looking at the standings this morning. It's like they're just gonna run away with that division. Everybody else is 1 in 4 South 3. Yeah, yeah. I mean, just. They've pieced it together very easily. And now they'll run away with it for them. Watch out for the like carry load of Gore to go down or something because they're just gonna get ready for playoffs.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I thought you were talking about the Falcons still.

[Mike Wright]

Nope, I was talking about Andrew Luck and.

[Jason Moore]

Sorry.

[Andy Holloway]

Both would be legit though.

[Mike Wright]

And both would be. Yeah, not this out though. All right, running back C.J. anderson 11:22 0.

[Jason Moore]

Hillman sucked as well.

[Andy Holloway]

That's just their offense. The entire Broncos offense was their defense. What is going on with the Broncos being able to put up points? That was the Raiders.

[Mike Wright]

I'm done. I'm done. I'm done with CJ So then you're.

[Jason Moore]

You done with Hillman?

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

You're done with the entire Broncos running game?

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

I do not blame you, my friend.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you done with the passing game?

[Mike Wright]

No, I'm not done with Emmanuel Sanders or Demarius Thomas.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And otherwise I'm done with everybody else.

[Andy Holloway]

That's exactly why I think Peyton is going to have those games with three touchdowns because those two guys.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And at that point you try to get value for his name and for his game and try to get something better and stream your quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm fine getting rid of Peyton for anything. Jeremy Hill 8 for 13. 0. Mike, what do you say for yourself? Were you like scratching at your tattoo the entire game? Dude, was the skin coming off?

[Jason Moore]

It is.

[Andy Holloway]

I got a potato.

[Mike Wright]

You got nothing to say?

[Jason Moore]

Do you know it? Well, what I will say is when Andy Dalton would rather try and quarterback sneak five yards into the end zone, which he did very successfully. But when, when the play calling goes to that, then there's just nothing.

[Mike Wright]

Would you give it to a guy that was 8 for 13 and no.

[Jason Moore]

Touchdowns on the goal line at this point? He was not 8 for 13. That's how he finished. So he finished horrific.

[Mike Wright]

Would you give it to a guy who has the potential for 8 for 13?

[Jason Moore]

Not at this point.

[Andy Holloway]

I will say this. If we're talking Jeremy Hill, we got to talk Gio Bernard. And he looked really good. I mean he was going up against Seattle's run D and he got more carries, did more with the carries is involved.

[Mike Wright]

It's time to change expectations in Jeremy Hill and maybe Freddie Lacey too.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I would. I would start Geo over Jeremy Hill without question.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

The rest of the way until otherwise proven.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And then you know what One guy we did not mention in the running back success stud muffin section that we should have. I want to mention Dion Lewis because Dion Lewis was fourth straight double digit game. Almost 20 fantasy points in our league format. Given an extension by New England, I think you can rely on Dion Lewis.

[Andy Holloway]

His touchdown was ridiculous. It was a two yard screen pass. Where the defenders. Three defenders there. I mean, you're talking about maybe he can pull out an extra yard and then he's like, whoop, whoop. I'm missing you. Missing me. I'm a stick of butter and I'm in the end zone.

[Mike Wright]

I like that. It was. He did. He ducked down. He slid right through. It was amazing. All right, wide receivers that did not succeed this week. The list could be longer, but Mike Evans and Randall Cobb both only had three catches each. What did you say? Jameis Winston threw the ball how many times?

[Jason Moore]

I thought it was 19.

[Mike Wright]

19. That's called interception mitigation. Protocol put in place.

[Andy Holloway]

Hard to throw four interceptions with 19.

[Jason Moore]

Passes when Doug Martin is running the rock. You got to. There's. Don't throw.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

If you don't have to throw, then you don't throw.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, very weird game from Rogers. He threw his first and then second interception at home in over 580 throws. Now the Rams defense is legit, but two interceptions for him. Randall Cobb was barely involved. Julio James Jones and Ty Montgomery wasn't involved until the very end. Not a very good offense. Yeah. Not a very good offensive performance across the board. We talked about Lacey. 13 for 27. Are you worried about Lacey?

[Jason Moore]

I don't think so.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I'm not either. You just said that you might be.

[Mike Wright]

Worried about Eddie Lacy, not just adjusting some expectations.

[Andy Holloway]

I think the Rams defense is very good. And you know, they were winning that game. It was a little bit surprising that he didn't get more offensive output.

[Mike Wright]

No, the Rams, I think, is the biggest part.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

All right, what do we got? Tight ends. Nobody else performs.

[Andy Holloway]

If your name wasn't Gary Barnage or Tyler, you pooped your. Then basically, if you were a touchdown in the NFL and you caught a touchdown, or if you were. If you were a touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

I wish I was a touchdown in.

[Andy Holloway]

The NFL, signed immediately.

[Jason Moore]

I just pictured it was like a Schoolhouse Rock, like I'm a touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

If you were a touchdown, you'd be signed immediately by everybody but John Fox.

[Jason Moore]

Oh.

[Mike Wright]

Who would consider whether or not he. I should give him credit. They won this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they did. They tried to not win. But Jake, are they 2 and 2 and 3.

[Jason Moore]

You know who tried to not win was the freaking Giants. Fourth and one on the end zone and you're kicking a field goal. What are you doing? Score and put the game away.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

They won by a miraculous Eli Manning drive.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

All right, let's get into the mailbag.

[Andy Holloway]

Mailbag.

[Mike Wright]

All right, if you have a question, you can go to the website, the fantasy footballers.com, click the submit a question button and then you can submit a question. It's that easy. When you click the button, you just type ity, type it in and then we get it. All right. Jay in Canada, should I be owning Theo Riddick in 12 man PPR keeper leagues? Our waiver wire is very, very thin. Very, very, very, very, very thin. Yeah. Either way, Amir Abdullah put it on the ground. I would have put him in the poop if he did, if he had big boy pants at all. But Amir Abdullah has been awful. I want to not overstate that at all. Awful. Terrible. Fumbled again. Zach Zinner got on the field because of it. Joy Bell's injured. That team is a sad dumpster fire. Jay in Canada also wanted to know if Gary Barnage is for real and do you start him over Jimmy Graham?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, It's a part one. I think he is for real. Josh McCown, both. Both quarterbacks really seem to be using him. He's a needed weapon there and he's being used in the scheme. So I like Gary Barnage going forward. Would you start him over Jimmy Graham? I would say that that would be matchup dependent, situational, but I would be, if I had both on my team, I would not hesitate for a second to start Barnage over Graham if I thought the matchup was better. They're equal to me in opportunities.

[Jason Moore]

And Josh McCown does have an ankle sprain, so we have to monitor his health, which is.

[Mike Wright]

He'll be fine.

[Jason Moore]

It's a.

[Mike Wright]

He's had so many concussions, he doesn't actually feel the pain.

[Jason Moore]

It's a strange world when we need to monitor the health of Josh McCann.

[Mike Wright]

Dude, three straight games of what, 350 or more yards.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He's been. No. No interceptions.

[Mike Wright]

Guess what percentage of plays he's throwing passes on?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, it's got to be in the 70s.

[Mike Wright]

73%. 73% of plays, which, I mean, I don't know. I don't know how you roll the dice on a wide receiver week to week on that team, but if you have to roll the dice, you know, this week I was looking at, oh, do I start? Jameson Crowder? Do I start Tavon Austin? Do I start? Marcus Wilson? Do I start? You can roll out a Browns wide receiver if you want to.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Travis Benjamin did all right.

[Jason Moore]

And Benjamin's getting targets.

[Mike Wright]

That's the difference between Manzell and him as target.

[Jason Moore]

First couple weeks was targets. That's why I didn't, I didn't like him was he was getting three targets a game but now he's getting 10 targets a game. That's a guy I want.

[Mike Wright]

All right, so right now who's the Sam And Nashville wants to know the question we talked about earlier. Nile Davis or Char Kendrick West.

[Jason Moore]

I'm picking.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep, me too. But I'm also putting a claim on Nile Davis afterwards.

[Mike Wright]

If you had to drop Tevin Coleman or Alfred Morris to sign one of those two backups, who would you drop?

[Jason Moore]

Coleman.

[Mike Wright]

I would drop Morris.

[Jason Moore]

What?

[Mike Wright]

I would drop Alfred Morris over Tevin Coleman.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, you know why? Yeah, I do want to know why.

[Mike Wright]

This week is why. If you watch the game, they were in the lead the entire game. They were on the goal line multiple times. It was the Thompson and Matt Jones show. Alfred Morris put up a gooser.

[Andy Holloway]

They almost.

[Mike Wright]

I mean he didn't actually but I mean it was like it is a.

[Andy Holloway]

Three way timeshare there and you have no idea who to start. If you've got to make a flyer and put one of those three guys in, you could have a good fantasy week, but I would never want to actually start one. This is a good example of you try to package, you know, alf to the. To, you know, to the Jones owner for super cheap just so that you can add that extra.

[Mike Wright]

And they like. I mean, you can't count on them, but they like Chris Thompson. They like him in that GEO role. He got a lot of check down. He had a good game. Justin in Iowa, he's been playing Tyrod Taylor for the last three weeks. Things have been average. He picked up Josh McCown after the fact. He has Stafford on his bench, as do the Lions. And which direction does he move going forward now, did you boys watch the Buffalo game?

[Jason Moore]

I watched a little bit of it, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Tyrod Taylor was scamper source Rex.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

He was amazing in his runs. He is so shifty. That being said, he was. He was ridiculously bad in the pocket for a second week in a row. If you're moving forward, would you stream Taylor and McCown back and forth and what am I saying?

[Andy Holloway]

So here's what you're saying. First of all, he had a decent game. Tyrod Taylor did. Tyrod Taylor finishes the rushing yards, right? He finishes the seventh quarterback. I saw some people on Twitter like, oh, I can't believe, you know, he Ruined my, my week. I'm like, he was the seventh best quarterback. That was weird. So, you know, he, he, he did all right and he had no weapons. Right. Because Clay was out. Clay going down and off. Yeah. Having, you know, his hurt little hammy, no running back. You got Sammy walkins out. So he is all right going forward. McCown, we can see on a good matchup should be streamed and is a legit option and I am going to put my name out there and say Matthew Stafford is an absolutely fine option to stream as well. Matthew Stafford stunk this week, just as I expected. And now in five weeks, the 05 Lions have faced four of the top five passing defenses. It's no surprise that he's had a hard time from here on out, his schedule gets much better and I think he is a legit option. He's probably going to be found on plenty of waivers. He might be my stream of the week this next week. I don't know.

[Mike Wright]

You ask Golden Tate. They still have a chance to be special. That is what he said.

[Andy Holloway]

Honestly. Golden Tate, Calvin Johnson, Matthew Stafford, those are guys right now. Who their owners, if they still have owners are super down on them and they can be acquired on the cheap and I'm not afraid of any of those three guys.

[Mike Wright]

All right, fair enough.

[Jason Moore]

But you don't need to hold three.

[Andy Holloway]

Quarterbacks, that's for sure.

[Jason Moore]

So who of those three are you dropping?

[Andy Holloway]

Depends on the matchup. Those are all stream guys to me.

[Jason Moore]

Stafford, Stafford takes on the Bears.

[Mike Wright]

No, you're going to keep Taylor because of the baseline and so, I mean.

[Andy Holloway]

Who'S McCown playing next week?

[Jason Moore]

Broncos.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, all right. Maybe not.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe I would drop.

[Mike Wright]

Drop him just for a second. I think you drop him in Stafford and just fill up your, you know.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm fine with that. I'm fine with just keeping Taylor.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

Got a lot of love coming. Got a whole lot of love. There you go. All right, so thanks. We'll be back tomorrow. We'll. We'll recap the Monday night game. We'll get you ready for the waiver wire.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's called Sharkandrick West.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, pretty much. So this no Tuesday show and don't forget to grab the sleeper bot app and it's pretty sweet.

[Jason Moore]

It's a very exciting noise.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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