
Fantasy Football Podcast for Novembers 3, 2015. The Fantasy Footballers are back again and talking fantasy football for Week 9 and the waiver wire. After a week of injury carnage, the Fantasy Footballers break down who to sign, how much to spend, and who
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Jason Moore
Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.
Andy Holloway
Good morning, everybody. Yeah, we're here. We're back. It's Tuesday.
Mike Wright
What a game last night.
Andy Holloway
That was a good game. That was a great game. That was fun to watch. We'll talk a little bit about that on today's show because we had some fantasy implications in that game too, obviously. And yeah, it's November 3rd. We're back again. It's Tuesday. It's our waiver show. We are the Fantasy Footballers. I am Andy, joined by Mike and Jason.
Unknown Speaker
Hello.
Andy Holloway
And you can find us on the web, the Fantasy footballers dot com. That's where you can submit us questions. Check us out on twitter @the ffballers. You can also visit us, visit our fantasy football community. There is 900 plus of you in our on jointhefoot.com in our fantasy football community, asking questions, sharing information, making your teams better. So it's always fun to go on there and see people's stories. I got an email today from somebody who is a Foot clan member who was.05 in two leagues and is now back in the playoff picture. Yeah. In both leagues.
Mike Wright
Love it. There you go.
Andy Holloway
So, and I, by the way, I'm officially four and four in that league. I started one and four in and I have the.
Mike Wright
You got the second highest points scored in the league, Andy.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Mike Wright
Behind me.
Andy Holloway
I know. Behind you.
Mike Wright
All right.
Andy Holloway
All righty. We have. What do we got? We got some news and notes. Got a lot to update you on the kind of injury getting whatever took place on Sunday. We got to let you know how the players are doing. We've got our full stream ahead section today and we're going to go through all your waiver wire pickups. This is kind of. It seems like this is kind of a monster week.
Mike Wright
Monster week. The last few weeks, I've been really disappointed with the waiver options. Not so this week. There are a lot of guys worth spending some money or some waiver wire priority on.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. And I think even more, you know, when I say that, I mean need. There's going to be more need this week and there's going to be there's bye weeks, big bye weeks. So that'll be good. Quick question of the day. How confident would you be heading into the fantasy football playoffs with Andrew Luck at the helm?
Mike Wright
I. I would be. I would be decently confident and here. And I base that on the fantasy playoff schedule. I believe Andrew Luck has one of the better schedules for quarterbacks in week 14, 15, 16, which are the predominant fantasy playoff weeks. And the thing is, is he has stunk. I mean, he's been terrible. You watch the games and something's wrong with him.
Andy Holloway
Ugly. Yes, Ugly. You Ugly.
Mike Wright
However, if you look at the fantasy production, I mean, he still keeps squeaking out decent performances, and that's why he's.
Unknown Speaker
Didn't he enter.
Andy Holloway
He entered the fourth quarter negative with point one.
Unknown Speaker
With negative points.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Unknown Speaker
And I don't. What did he end up finishing with?
Andy Holloway
18, 19.
Unknown Speaker
That's ridiculous.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. This is why. I mean, quarterbacks just score.
Unknown Speaker
However, next week, Andrew Luck takes on.
Mike Wright
The Broncos and that. So.
Andy Holloway
So the Texans, I think they're on by, aren't they? Yeah, they're on by.
Unknown Speaker
Yep.
Andy Holloway
So they can't. But they could go into the division league just by de facto. The Indianapolis Colts losing.
Mike Wright
Oh, man, that's. That's crazy. I will say this. I'm not confident in Andrew Luck getting me to the fantasy playoffs.
Andy Holloway
Would you be more confident in Cam Newton right now than Andrew Luck?
Unknown Speaker
About the same.
Andy Holloway
If he keeps dancing every first down he gets.
Unknown Speaker
Dude, he like. Do you guys really think that he can sustain playing the way he is right now? You think he was going to be alive and playing every single game by the end of the year?
Mike Wright
By the end of this year?
Andy Holloway
He's a truck. He's a truck.
Unknown Speaker
I understand that he's a truck, but you can't get hit like that continually and not suffer something.
Andy Holloway
I couldn't. Jake Gruden or John Gruden couldn't get over the hits. Every time he took a hit, he'd just be like, well, gee whiz. In my day, we didn't want our quarterbacks getting hit like this. This is just, you know.
Unknown Speaker
Yeah. Because they. They know that if Cam Newton goes down. Well, I guess Derek Anderson was.
Mike Wright
Was great last year.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Unknown Speaker
But most of the time you're speaking, your main quarterback goes down, you're done, they're done.
Andy Holloway
If he goes down, their whole offense is predicated on the ability for him to run the ball. They have Ted Ginn and Corey Brown running routes. I mean, it's just. He's a selective passer that pass he made though in overtime to Olson, that kind of put Olson in a position to go make a play on it got them down at a field goal range to tie it back up. Really an impressive throw. Many impressive. The throat again.
Mike Wright
The throat again was perfect.
Andy Holloway
It's all back foot, man. It's crazy.
Unknown Speaker
Newton, the, the touch was there. I would. Which something that I've felt was missing. And he, he had some great passes the last week. And as, as the Arizona fan, I was very happy to see the Arizona version of Ted Ginn show up yesterday after he's been playing pretty well. It was frustrating. Like why can't you play that well last year?
Andy Holloway
Yeah, well, he did drop a horrible now forgotten pass.
Unknown Speaker
Yeah, that was a game winning pass.
Andy Holloway
All right, before we move on, hit.
Unknown Speaker
The, hit the button there.
Andy Holloway
We got several tweets.
Unknown Speaker
Several tweets. There was quite the debate yesterday between Ty Hilton and Dante Moncrief who can score five points and this poor listener.
Andy Holloway
He had both debate.
Unknown Speaker
Yeah. And many people tweeting us following saying it's not gonna happen. So either way, that listener wins. I'm sorry, you lost five points.
Andy Holloway
Both, both players could not get five points. And the joke I made at the end of the show about the Bermuda Triangle bet that I, that we should have made where I take Hilton, Jason takes Moncrief and you take Andre Johnson and we all laughed. Andre Johnson had like infinite infinity more points. It seemed like. All right, so let's go ahead. Every week we like to read reviews from the listeners. The show exists for you because of you. So we like to give shout outs to our fans and read reviews that are funny or we like. So we're gonna go ahead and do that right now.
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All right, thanks for the review. We appreciate it. It's. It helps the show out if you leave those reviews on itunes. So we, we like to read one every week. Let's go ahead and get into the news.
Jason Moore
News and notes from around the league.
Andy Holloway
I don't think we've ever had a just pure news and notes show, but it's feeling like the amount of stuff going on.
Unknown Speaker
Yes, Huge, huge news.
Andy Holloway
All right, let's start at the top. Vernon Davis. Vernon Davis traded to the Broncos. Tell me what this means for fantasy owners.
Unknown Speaker
Yeah, it's very interesting because we saw Virgil Green kind of start getting involved in the, in the actual pass catching last week, finally, after Owen Daniels has simply disappointed the entire year and to the point of thinking, hey, maybe we should pick up Virgil Green. And while I was forming that thought and thinking about it, Vernon Davis gets traded over to the Broncos. And I, I believe that he kind of slides right into the, that Owen Daniels role. Virgil Green will go back to being a blocker because the O line hasn't been.
Andy Holloway
He's a great blocker.
Unknown Speaker
He's a great blocker and they need him to block, unfortunately for Virgil Green in his fantasy outlook. But Vernon Davis, if, if you've watched him win healthy, he could still get it done. So there, there is a pretty strong opportunity here for Vernon Davis. I'm not, I'm not blowing a huge fab for it, and I'm not using high priority to get him. But let's say you're. You're in a tight end, needy position. I'll take a flyer on him, but I'm not Vernon Davis.
Andy Holloway
Vernon Davis or Heath Miller.
Mike Wright
Heath Miller.
Andy Holloway
Okay, the. Let's see. Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen is out with a kidney injury and this is an indefinite injury. From what I read, he had to go to the hospital after symptoms got worse after the game. And so no real timetable yet. We'll find out more, but right now I would count on him being out this week. They said he's going to miss time and so big blow to Keenan Allen. Owners out there and the Chargers, I was telling you yesterday, they're two and.
Mike Wright
Six that blew me away. You're like, guess the Chargers record.
Andy Holloway
I just feel like they've been in every game and yet they're two and six. So. Keenan Allen, owner. Okay, so who's the fill in? Would you rather play Stevie Johnson or you'd rather play Malcolm Floyd?
Mike Wright
Stevie Johnson, because of the way that Keenan Allen is normally used with the short passes, I think Stevie is more likely to fill that role in.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, that's kind of how I lean. Although Floyd's coming off a monster week, so he might. He might be the guy that goes on the waivers.
Unknown Speaker
That's what Floyd does is every once, about every four weeks or so, Malcolm Floyd will have a huge week. But I agree Stevie Johnson will be more of the possession type receiver and hopefully Antonio Gates can get healthy there.
Andy Holloway
Hey, guys. Hey.
Unknown Speaker
Hey.
Jason Moore
What breaking news.
Andy Holloway
Ken Wizen Hunt has been fired. He accomplished three wins in 23 games.
Unknown Speaker
Oh, Ken Wizen Hunt.
Andy Holloway
I guess we could muse on Ken Wizen Hunt a while as Arizona Cardinal fans, but we won't. We'll move on to the fact that Marcus Mariota is a full participant or should be in Wednesday's practice. Probably expect him back this week maybe.
Unknown Speaker
Yes.
Mike Wright
He.
Unknown Speaker
They. The former coach Ken Wizen Hunt had said he expects him to play.
Andy Holloway
All right. Stay on top of the Brandon Marshall situation. It's too early to tell. According to head coach Todd Bowles regarding toe and ankle injuries. Everything I've read says sore toe. So ankle. But you kind of need both when you play wide receiver. So we also don't know about Ryan Fitzpatrick right now because he needs surgery on his left thumb at some point. But it's a pain tolerance thing right now. So he could be back in next week.
Unknown Speaker
Is it pain tolerance? I thought I had read it. It wasn't pain tolerance. It's just. Can he actually grip a ball?
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I think it'll be interesting to see what happens. Yeah. And Geno Smith is day to day, so monitor that they play. They have a good matchup at home. They play the Jacksonville Jaguars in New York. Coming off the loss, we'll have to see what happens, see if they can bounce back. Let's see here. Map forte news. This is big. He'll miss at least two weeks.
Unknown Speaker
Allegedly.
Andy Holloway
Allegedly could be longer. Basically the reports bounced all over yesterday. But here's the gist. He's going to miss some time. He should be back at some point this season is what was told. So that's tough.
Mike Wright
Yeah. It's just an mcl, right? Not no damage to the ace well, it's not.
Andy Holloway
What is this sprain?
Unknown Speaker
It's a strain. Wait, no sprain.
Andy Holloway
I know. I'm trying to remember ligaments. Sprain is ligaments versus.
Unknown Speaker
Yes. And unfortunately, Matt Forte's head. Coaches. John Fox, the.
Andy Holloway
He's clever like a fox.
Unknown Speaker
Oh, man. He gets you with that injury misinformation.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. So desean Jackson supposed to play this week against the Patriots. Either of you guys taking a flyer on him on the waivers and.
Unknown Speaker
And.
Andy Holloway
Or starting it?
Mike Wright
No, I'm not. But I'm also, you know, Pierre Garcon's around a lot of waivers. He's been a viable, usable guy, and I'm less inclined to play him now just because targets.
Unknown Speaker
I would pick up D Jacks if I needed a wide receiver. I don't know about playing him this week.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I agree with that.
Unknown Speaker
But I pick him up. Yeah.
Andy Holloway
All right, let's go ahead and talk about. Let's see, Kyrie Robinson. We said yesterday he probably had a broken leg. He's got a broken right tibia. He's done for the year. Do we bump up C.J. spiller?
Unknown Speaker
Yeah, I do bump up both of.
Mike Wright
Those guys because Kyrie's been heavily used and that usage is going to have to go elsewhere, obviously. So I think both Mark Igram and C.J. spiller take a bump up and maybe even Drew Brees if they've got to pass a little bit more. We saw last week. He is still capable.
Andy Holloway
Yes.
Mike Wright
Throwing that football.
Unknown Speaker
And I've gotten quite a bit of questions of, you know, of these trades. Should I trade away Mark Ingram? No. Mark Ingram has been awesome and his value has gone up now with the unfortunate injury to Robinson.
Andy Holloway
Well, you got to remember, Ingram had a huge week two weeks ago and he lost two touchdowns to Robinson.
Unknown Speaker
Exactly. Robinson's not there to take touchdowns anymore, and I don't imagine that C.J. spiller will be doing any goal line carries. So Ingram has to get at least a minor boost.
Andy Holloway
And last bit of news, Bill's Camp Watkins should practice this week. Tyrod Taylor will be back, and they expect him to be. Not limited at all, 100% back against the Dolphins. Big. They need a win that'll be a good divisional game. And I like Tyrod Taylor moving forward.
Unknown Speaker
Oh, yes.
Andy Holloway
So he's. Don't forget about him. That's. I mean, you've probably made other plans at quarterback because you had to, but don't forget about Taylor.
Unknown Speaker
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Andy Holloway
Don't forget people with the simple minds.
Unknown Speaker
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Andy Holloway
Oh, I thought it was a Ken Wizen hunt reference. All right, go ahead.
Mike Wright
That's funny.
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Jason Moore
Let me in, coach.
Andy Holloway
Oh, my goodness.
Unknown Speaker
It's a big one.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, we're going to really need to be hitting the, the best signings here because there are a lot of guys. Let's talk about the situation. Let's start at wide receiver and talk about the situation taking place right now in Baltimore, which is, you know, Steve Smith out with the Achilles injury. Somebody has to fill in, don't they? Is it Kamara Akin?
Mike Wright
It is, yeah. We saw in just a few quarters when Steve Smith was out, Kamar Akin had 14 targets in that time. The targets are going to be going his direction. And unlike, you know, what happened when DEZ Bryant went out and Terrence Williams had to get the targets, he has a quarterback that can get him to him. So I think that Kamar Aiken is a must grab if you need a long term prospect. But we have to be realistic that he's on the buy this week, one that helps you grab him. So if you need a guy for the rest of the season, a decent play, that's good. But if you need a guy to start this week, then obviously he's not going to help you.
Andy Holloway
And I think you need to monitor what they do in free agency a little bit because they're going to sign somebody, maybe a couple of guys.
Unknown Speaker
Yeah, Aiken's still going to be the target hog, I think.
Mike Wright
Who do you think they could bring in?
Unknown Speaker
Grab and say, okay, here's our playbook. Go out there and run every single route.
Mike Wright
You're our number one.
Andy Holloway
Not, not many guys, but, you know, Crockett Gilmore, I move up a little bit just from a target perspective on that team. So if you are wavering on him, I just. It has to be a mixture of talent and opportunity. And he's got opportunity part of it. I don't think Aiken is anything special. I think this was very similar to like, okay, let's say Keenan Allen's out for the year. Right. Like, what do we think of Malcolm Floyd?
Unknown Speaker
Well, Malcolm Floyd is. He's He's a desean Jackson kind of guy. He, he shows up big and then he disappears.
Andy Holloway
I'm not really arguing with anything anybody's saying. I'm just saying temper your expectations. Don't expect them to come in.
Mike Wright
He's not going to be Steve Smith, right? Absolutely.
Andy Holloway
Number 18 in the, in the wide receiver rankings right now is Tavon Austin. Tavon Austin put up a huge game last week. What do we think about him? I mean, he's on a lot of waiver wires and, you know, more than 50% and he keeps getting it done.
Mike Wright
You called him well this last week when you made him your start of the week and he exploded. Part of the reason you made him your start of the week was because of matchup and you've seen him really take advantage of good matchups. He's used and he is, he has the talent portion of what you're talking about. He was a high draft pick in the NFL for a reason and he is blazing lightning fast. However, I think he, he has to be a matchup play type of guy. To me, this week he's playing Minnesota. You know, I'm not sure what I would expect there. You know, he could put up 10 points. I wouldn't be shocked.
Unknown Speaker
Austin is one of those guys where, yeah, he, he keeps doing it every single week, but are you ever really comfortable putting him in your lineup?
Andy Holloway
No, no, I'm.
Unknown Speaker
And that's the problem with, with him where.
Andy Holloway
But compared to guys, I'm free agency.
Unknown Speaker
Yeah, sure, I can see that.
Andy Holloway
He at least can give you those kind of Deshaun. I mean, he's a lot like desean Jackson from a fantasy production standpoint this year. You know, he's averaging about 14 a game in half point PPR. He's had, you know, four double digit games, three single digit games. So yeah, I mean that he's a guy that should be owned, I think. But yeah, he's not going to be perfectly consistent. And Jason's right. The matchups matter. We talked a little bit about it earlier. Jason said he prefers Stevie Johnson in the absence of Keenan Allen. Stevie Johnson and Malcolm Floyd are about the same ownership percentage in all of your leagues, about 28% in ESPN leagues right now.
Unknown Speaker
I think they're both good ads. I just, I would prioritize Stevie as long as.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, no, I think that's the right play. He's a little bit of a, you know, Keenan Allen in the preseason talked about them in the same breath. You know, that type of a player.
Unknown Speaker
Philip Rivers, who Did I say Keenan Allen?
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I did mean Philip Rivers.
Unknown Speaker
Keenan Allen says, hey, Stevie Johnson and Keenan Allen, we're good.
Mike Wright
You saw in the beginning of the year, the first two weeks, Stevie Johnson came out and was great. He was targeted a lot. He caught the ball a lot. He caught touchdowns and then he got injured and went away. And now opportunity has come back. So I do think he's a really good ad. If I was going to add anybody for this week, a matchup that I'm confident in, they're playing against Chicago. I love Stevie Johnson. He would be my number one wide receiver. That is a claim.
Andy Holloway
Monday Night Football game.
Unknown Speaker
Excellent. And the last guy I'll mention is Brandon Lefell. He's. But he is about 50% owned, so he may or may not be available. He's. He played over 80% of the snaps last week and he was very highly targeted. I think he had seven. So moving forward, lefail is going to get even more involved in the offense. The thing to watch about him, like I mentioned, was as soon as they got in the red zone, he got pulled out. I don't know if that's going to continue or if that's just a.
Andy Holloway
Because that's what you don't know with New England one time game plan, are.
Unknown Speaker
They working him in slower in the. The red zone or. Or not. But he's just. He's on the field so much and the Patriots are scoring so many points that Brandon LaFell will get his. But I. So how would you guys prioritize? These guys? Aiken, Austin, Stevie Johnson, Floyd and LaFell.
Andy Holloway
Man.
Unknown Speaker
Who's your number one?
Andy Holloway
Rest of season or like for the next week? For next week.
Unknown Speaker
How are you picking them up? Let's say you need a wide receiver.
Andy Holloway
If I'm rest of season, I take the shot on Aiken.
Unknown Speaker
Okay.
Andy Holloway
If I'm looking for next week, I probably sign Stevie Johnson. That's the truth.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I'm the same. Except if I'm rest of season, I would probably take Brandon lefell over Aiken just because of offense and the hope that he can score a lot more touchdowns than Aiken.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I kind of left LaFell out of my. Out of my brain.
Unknown Speaker
Lefell is kind of harder because he's more owned. But yeah, number one, he's not available.
Mike Wright
I would see Akin that way.
Andy Holloway
All right, we need to talk about the main event here, the running back position. Yes. Thank you for that. D'Angelo Williams.
Unknown Speaker
Yep.
Andy Holloway
How much are you spending?
Unknown Speaker
Everything.
Mike Wright
All of it.
Unknown Speaker
Everything.
Andy Holloway
So you guys are both completely 100% committed to D. Well, being a top 12 back everything.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I really am. I mean, when we say we're spending everything, that means if you've got the top priority, you obviously put your claim in on him. And that means that you look at your. If you've got the fab system, look at your fab and look at the league. Right? Because Mike, I know in one of our leagues you have the most fab available to you. I think you've got $96 available, which is lunacy. Get involved, Mike. In your waivers. However, the next highest person only has 70, so you're bidding 71. Look at that. So you don't just waste money on your fab if you know you're making, you know, a max type bid.
Andy Holloway
That's a good point.
Unknown Speaker
D'Angelo Williams, the first two weeks when Le'Veon Bell was out, was the number one running back. The offense is too good in Pittsburgh. It runs through the running back and you just, you know he's going to be involved. There's nobody else there that's really going to take anything of note away from D'Angelo Williams. He's looked solid.
Andy Holloway
You're not worried about Isaiah Peed Even this week?
Mike Wright
Even this week in half a game after Le'Veon Bell got injured, he finished without a touchdown in a low scoring game, was a top 12 back.
Andy Holloway
Unbelievable.
Mike Wright
And you have to remember D'Angelo Williams has always, I mean, you want to talk about a talented guy, he's a great runner. He's just older and he was always in a timeshare and he was always in a low scoring offense. Now he's coming to a great opportunity. So he's got to be everything.
Andy Holloway
All right, so you missed out on D'Angelo Williams because he's the top AD. Everybody's going after him. You don't got the fab, you don't have the waiver priority. Let's talk about the Forte situation.
Unknown Speaker
Now.
Andy Holloway
There. We don't know. There's misinformation. My prediction is that Forte misses four to five games.
Unknown Speaker
Really?
Andy Holloway
Yes. I could be completely wrong and I probably. You guys will let me know when I am.
Unknown Speaker
No, no, not at all. Because this is all just speculation. Off of, off of a.
Andy Holloway
Let's say, let's put it this way. I am treating the signing of Jeremy Langford as a four to five week AD for my team.
Unknown Speaker
Okay.
Andy Holloway
So I did some research on Langford. I wanted to look at him a little bit closer because we want to know just like we Wanted to know with Char west, is he going to be a guy that can contribute to your fantasy team or is he just a guy? You know, the 49ers are in a situation where they have to put just the guy in the backfield. Nobody's putting that guy at the top of these lists. Okay. Lankford was a fourth round pick from Michigan State. He played wide receiver. He played cornerback early days, Michigan State. He's got hands, which lends itself to some baseline numbers there. If he's the starter, he's a pretty talented guy. He's not a super physical guy. I don't know what we'll see around the goal line with him. He's, you know, kind of that middle round pick. I like him probably the same as I would. I would have treated west with upside because he's young, you know. You know, you're not just getting some, you know, the offense is okay. It's pretty good. So I would spend a decent amount of money on Langford.
Mike Wright
Yeah. The hardship here because you're fighting to.
Andy Holloway
Get in the playoffs and so you need a start.
Mike Wright
Yeah. If you are fighting to get in the playoffs, then he is a great guy. He's only owned in 2% of leagues. So, you know, you might not be able to get D Will, but you can get Langford. You know, he's out there and available. The difference obviously is that we don't know how many games he's going to be relevant. So if you're the forte owner, then go all in or, you know, go a lot in. Make sure you get it because then you've still got rest of season covered in that spot.
Unknown Speaker
In the Bears, similar to the Pittsburgh Steelers, their offense is really predicated. The running back is extremely important to the success of the offense. So I do like Langford a good bit because. And he. When Forte went out, Langford was the guy. And the backfield is crowded and there absolutely can be a surprise, which is why it's. I'm not saying everything on Langford. I know what D'Angelo Williams is going to do and how he'll be involved. Langford, we're still kind of guessing they from what they showed, but there's a lot of guys in that backfield. Kadeem Carey is still there, even though everyone's passing him on the depth chart. Just saying he's. He's still there. The spectacular Anton Smith is there. So who knows. But as of now, I'm treating it like Langford will be the majority snap guy.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. Yeah. So Langford is kind of number two on my list. Let's talk about some other guys. There are three players on bye this week and I mention that because they three running backs that you could probably get super cheap because of that. That's Joyk Bell, Theo Riddick and Buck Allen. They're all on buy this week. None of them are high tier waiver wire guys, but we like to mention them because if you can sneak by and snag a guy that could be valuable down the line, you know, Joy looked okay.
Mike Wright
Yeah. To me, Joy Bell is the guy that I would want. Of the three of those, they used him in the running game and it wasn't a great running matchup for them. And that was what I had said when they made that change, was they were wanting to be more balanced and do, you know, carry the ball on the ground, not just run through the air. And so Joy is going to be the guy that does that. You have a bye week to get him just all the more healthy to get that offensive line working. So, you know, you guys had a water bet from the off season that seemed, that seemed insane that Andy could ever win it because at the beginning of the year, it was second half of the year. Joy Cabell versus Amir Abdullah.
Unknown Speaker
Yes.
Mike Wright
And right now, if I had to predict who's going to win that, I'm.
Andy Holloway
A go second half of the year starts.
Unknown Speaker
Yeah. If I had to predict who was going to win, it would not be me since Amir Abdullah cannot get on the field.
Mike Wright
Yeah. A guy that I really like. We mentioned him already, but he's worth picking up. He's owned in most leagues, 57% of leagues. But C.J. spiller is a guy that you should go out and grab with Kyrie Robinson being out because Spiller's been very good. And he gives a big frowny face because he dropped them going into this week.
Unknown Speaker
Oh, no.
Andy Holloway
I spent.
Unknown Speaker
It happens.
Andy Holloway
This week was terrible. I saved money all year long. I'm not the most frugal, fab guy in general. I kind of. I take the philosophy you spend when you. When you need to spend and you get the guy and just be happy it worked. You know, Signed Edelman last year real early. A lot of money. Spent 13 bucks in last week on CJ Spiller. 13 fab. Nobody competed with me, nobody bid against me. So I felt dumb spending 13 on Spiller. The news about Carlos Hyde comes out. I dropped spiller spend 10 bucks on.
Unknown Speaker
Reggie Bush, which was a smart play.
Andy Holloway
Reggie Bush gets goes. Nobody bid against me, by the way. Maybe $1.
Unknown Speaker
I didn't have a spot.
Andy Holloway
Reggie Bush goes sliding. By the way, reggie bush torn MCL, not ACL. So that is very good news for him. But $23 down the drain. And now Spiller's back on waiverwire. That's why that frowny face. You are correct, Jason. All right, I'm going to mention some other names. You guys talk about who you want to talk about. Carlos Williams, Chris Thompson, Matt Jones, David Cobb, Antonio Andrews.
Unknown Speaker
Carlos Williams is a decent ad. I'd say he's pretty close to a must add. If you're a Lashawn McCoy owner, wouldn't.
Andy Holloway
You rather have Cobb or Andrews?
Mike Wright
Not if you're Lashawn McCoy.
Unknown Speaker
I'm saying if you're Lashawn McCoy owner, you want Carlos Williams. Because we've the carnage, man. You gotta, gotta buy that insurance right now. But so between, let's say Thompson, Matt Jones and David Cobb, and, well, let's throw Antonio Andrews in there as well. What are you guys doing with these four?
Mike Wright
You know, before the head coaching change with Kid and Wizen Hunt, I didn't really want any of the running backs. I realized that someone could be valuable, but I could never anticipate a situation where I feel confident starting anyone from the Tennessee running game. However, with that coaching change and then maybe wanting to, you know, try to get something going, I would take a flyer on either Andrews or Cobb and I'd probably put them higher in that list. Cobb is probably the most the more exciting. You know, he's the rookie that we haven't seen. Right. But Andrews has been playing well.
Unknown Speaker
So I think of this list, I'd go with Chris Thompson, where the news out of Washington is still Matt Jones and Alfred Morris will continue to split and Chris Thompson is the guy who gets in when they are down. And guess who Washington is playing this week.
Mike Wright
New England. They will be down.
Unknown Speaker
They will be losing. Yeah, sorry, Washington fans. So I expect a healthy dose of Chris Thompson this week. Who could be a very sneaky PPR.
Andy Holloway
Guy rest of season. Theo Reddick. Chris Thompson.
Unknown Speaker
Theoretic.
Mike Wright
Theoretic.
Andy Holloway
I would do that too. So let me. Let me ask you this, guys. Carlos Hyde is out. Reggie Bush is out. Mike Davis is out. Broken hand. Who do you sign? I mean, somebody has to play running back in San Francisco for Blaine Gabbard, right? We didn't mention Colin Kaepernick. News.
Unknown Speaker
Sorry about that.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, there was a lot of news, but Colin Kaepernick has been benched. He's terrible. He really is. I mean, I feel like. I mean, if there's one thing I was wrong about.
Unknown Speaker
Oh, it was.
Andy Holloway
It was Colin Kaepernick in every way, shape or form except for the two weeks that he was my start of.
Mike Wright
The week and he crushed it.
Andy Holloway
But, I mean, I thought he was going to assist, not descend into the pit of whatever he's doing right now.
Mike Wright
So the pit of Tom Sula, it's not a pit you want to be in.
Unknown Speaker
It's like a Sarlacc pit.
Andy Holloway
The pit of Tom Sula, it's just filled with chest hair.
Mike Wright
Stinky.
Unknown Speaker
Who do we pick up?
Andy Holloway
Kendall Gaskins.
Unknown Speaker
Hey, we talked about this yesterday off the air.
Andy Holloway
They will sign somebody.
Unknown Speaker
Hit the breaking news button.
Jason Moore
Breaking news.
Unknown Speaker
49Ers have signed Pierre Thomas. In your face.
Andy Holloway
They did. They signed him.
Mike Wright
Did you listen to me? Just like rewind the tape about five minutes. Yeah. I said. You said who do you sign? I said Pierre Thomas. I called that one workhorse.
Andy Holloway
We need to debate. This is fresh, fresh news in the air.
Mike Wright
I want 100% signed Pierre Thomas. He. He is a talented back and he is the lone running back there, it seems like.
Unknown Speaker
Hey, Gas around.
Andy Holloway
Is he depth, though?
Mike Wright
No way. No way. Pierre Thomas. Here's my. Here's my thinking why he's not depth.
Andy Holloway
Be careful not to speak in such absolutes, my friend. All right, well, Kendall Galians has been a part of this offense.
Unknown Speaker
Sure.
Andy Holloway
Complex to learn offense.
Mike Wright
Let me, Let me.
Andy Holloway
There are eight plays this well oiled machine.
Mike Wright
Let me rewind and give out a realistic expectation here for Pierre Thomas. Pierre Thomas would not sign a veteran minimum contract. He didn't want to come in. And the reason he hasn't signed yet is because he wanted. He thought he was worth more. And so I'm guessing that, you know, this is breaking news. I don't know. But I'm guessing he signed not a veteran minimum contract, which means they signed.
Andy Holloway
Shane drawn too, which means Sean Drum.
Mike Wright
If they're paying him money, they're paying him to use him. Now the starter is Carlos Hyde and that's one thing we can't forget about here. Carlos Hyde is not gone for the year or anything like that. He's probably just.
Andy Holloway
When you sign two guys, you might not be counting on him to come back.
Mike Wright
Well, Reggie Bush just went out and then Matt Jones went out. Two guys went out.
Unknown Speaker
No, not Matt Jones or Mike Davis.
Mike Wright
I always. Their names are too moving, easy and simple.
Unknown Speaker
But this signing, to me, I'm not as. I'm not nearly as excited as Jason is. But of anybody from San Francisco, I would take a flyer on Pierre Thomas. This, this could be a Jim Tomsula desperately trying to save his job type of maneuver where they, they have to Thompsoula has to win some games or he, his career can be in trouble. So Pierre Thomas is a, a decent guy I don't know of. Besides Ahmad Bradshaw, Pierre Thomas is the only running back I know of on the street right now who, who can come in and produce in kind of all phases of the game. So I think Pierre Thomas is, I'm.
Andy Holloway
Gonna, I'm gonna go ahead and completely contradict you both and I don't believe he'll be valuable in any way, shape or form. I don't think anybody there will be valuable in any way, shape or form. That's, that's they face, they face the Seahawks, they face the Cardinals. Hyde will be back after the buy. Maybe It I think is a waste of your fab. So. Yeah, well, I'm choose your favorite footballer.
Unknown Speaker
I'm not saying spend anything on him, but if you're in a deeper league, taking a flyer, that's fine. He's a pass. Catching back a flyer's fine.
Andy Holloway
That's what I did with Orleans Dark one. That's that kind of guy. You just want to see what happens in a committee.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
So I wouldn't, I wouldn't count on him to be a contributing factor to your fantasy.
Mike Wright
I wouldn't, I wouldn't drop a lot of money on him, but I would, I would definitely pick him up.
Andy Holloway
All right, we gotta, we gotta go through tight ends real quick. Somehow Jordan Reed's still on our waiver wireless because he's only owned if it's 2% of leagues, which is just insanity, people.
Unknown Speaker
Jordan Reed.
Andy Holloway
Same with Ben Watson.
Unknown Speaker
Jordan Reed, when he plays and plays an entire game this year, he's put up double digit fantasy points.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Unknown Speaker
If he's healthy, you pick him up and you play him.
Mike Wright
Yeah. If you're listening right now and you've got Greg Olson, just go everyone check your waiver wire and see if Jordan Reed is there. Because if he's on your waiver, you need to pick him up. Drop someone. He is worth that. Drop in Ahmad Bradshaw on your bench and pick him up.
Andy Holloway
Ben Watson still available in some leagues. He's got to be signed. We talked about Heath Miller having a much higher ceiling now that Big Ben.
Unknown Speaker
Is back and Lev Bell is gone.
Andy Holloway
And Lev Bell is gone. Charles Clay, if he's been forgotten about in your league for some reason, been Dropped Tyrod Taylor's back. He had the best rapport with Tyrod Taylor. And Clay gets the targets also on Heath Miller.
Mike Wright
He's playing Oakland this week.
Unknown Speaker
Oh, my goodness.
Mike Wright
Kind of a nice storm.
Andy Holloway
All right, we're going to get into our.
Unknown Speaker
And Vernon Davis, we talked about.
Andy Holloway
We're going to get into our streams as well. You guys want to move on to that? You guys want to talk streams?
Unknown Speaker
It just some. Some quick defensive matchups. The Bengals versus the. Versus versus the Browns.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, that's a good one.
Unknown Speaker
Rams versus Minnesota. The Patriots versus Washington. And I kind of like Philadelphia versus.
Andy Holloway
I love Philly versus Dallas. Yeah, absolutely.
Unknown Speaker
So those are four that may or may not be available to you.
Andy Holloway
All right, let's go ahead and talk streamers.
Jason Moore
Full stream ahead.
Andy Holloway
All right.
Unknown Speaker
Oh, before Andy's shifting, before we get.
Andy Holloway
Into our streams of the week. Yeah. I've stretched my arms out because I want to say a couple things once I. One, I want to let people know what to say. Section is full stream ahead is our opportunity to tell you, you know, if you're taking the approach that we kind of prescribed for most, you know, for a lot of leagues, which is stream the quarterback position, spend your early draft picks on running backs, wide receivers that are more valuable to your team because quarterbacks score so much. So we have this section. We like to talk about streaming quarterbacks, which are guys that are available in more than 50% of leagues. Pretty much. Isn't that our standard 60%?
Unknown Speaker
Yeah, right around there. Yes.
Andy Holloway
So let me just say this. We give you these guys. This is not go bench your superstar quarterback and play these guys. This is if you're streaming and need a good matchup and a good start. These are guys that we like to stream this week. Okay.
Mike Wright
Yes.
Andy Holloway
I say that because I got some word from people saying I benched Drew Brees to play your stream of the week.
Mike Wright
Well, that being said, I probably. No, I'm just saying last week, Drew Brees, nobody saw that seven touchdown game coming and clearly I did.
Unknown Speaker
I just kept it to myself.
Mike Wright
He would have, but. Yeah, I mean, you're not. You're not bitching.
Unknown Speaker
I will say this. If you are an Andrew Luck owner, you may want to pay attention to these three guys.
Andy Holloway
Fair enough.
Unknown Speaker
I'm not playing Andrew Luck this week against Denver.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, no, you're right. That's all.
Unknown Speaker
I'm going with Tyrod Taylor. He's back. He's back, everybody. And he put up almost 300 yards and three touchdowns the last time he played Miami. He's playing Miami again. Their, their defense got very exposed.
Andy Holloway
The.
Unknown Speaker
The letdown of guns. Mahoney as the new coach kind of fell apart there as the Patriots just, just destroyed them.
Andy Holloway
Dismantled, disassembled, destroyed. All of those words.
Unknown Speaker
Exploded. Yeah, yeah. Whatever your derogatory comment was, that's what happened to Miami last week. And Tyrod Taylor has been a spectacular fantasy quarterback and he's been quite a good real life quarterback.
Andy Holloway
They seem to take their time getting him back too.
Unknown Speaker
Yes.
Andy Holloway
So I back.
Unknown Speaker
I believe Tyrod Taylor is fully healthy. He's good to go. You pick him up. And this is a streamer who may turn into your every week quarterback, Jason, who's yours?
Mike Wright
Yeah, well, mine is similar.
Unknown Speaker
You got to hit the button.
Mike Wright
Oh yeah.
Andy Holloway
Send in the car. Send in the car.
Mike Wright
A similar vein in the sense that this is a quarterback that's quickly becoming a guy that can be near an every week starter because Derek Carr has gone up against two really tough matchups in San Diego and the Broncos and had good games. This.
Unknown Speaker
The jets, you mean?
Mike Wright
Yes, the Jets. Yes, the Jets. And, well, all three.
Unknown Speaker
He was, he was okay against the Broncos, but he was great against the.
Mike Wright
But by comparison to what other people have done against the Broncos compared to Aaron Rodgers. My point is he has been playing good. He's been playing great in good matchups.
Unknown Speaker
He's been playing well.
Mike Wright
Good. Oh, yeah, you're right. Playing well. Thank you, Mike. Playing well in hard matchups. And so he's got Pittsburgh, which has been a decent matchup lately, decent defense. And I expect this game with Big Ben another week back to be higher scoring. So Derek Carr is still available in a lot of leagues and he's just been slinging it and he's got the weapons to use now. So Derek Carr should be owned. Pick them up.
Andy Holloway
All right, I'm going to go with the ambiguous jets quarterback versus Jacksonville at home. I think it'll be Ryan Fitzpatrick and so that's kind of why this is my start. I like them at home. Bounce back. Deckers have been playing well. Marshall, I expect to play. So keep an eye on it.
Unknown Speaker
At home versus Jacksonville.
Andy Holloway
At home versus Jacksonville.
Mike Wright
Yes.
Unknown Speaker
That is a. That's a solid matchup for a quarterback.
Andy Holloway
And this has been a pretty resilient jets team this year. When they've lost, they've come back in a big way. I expect their defense to be better. I expect whoever's behind center, hopefully it's Ryan Fitzpatrick to be a worthy start this week as a streamer. So not a ton of great options in the streaming world. So he's kind of my favorite of what's left. And you guys snuck into the show doc before because Tyra Taylor was at the.
Unknown Speaker
That's what you get for stealing Chris Johnson.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Unknown Speaker
Last week.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, that's what I get. So. All right, that's it for today's show. Thanks again for listening to the Fantasy Footballers podcast. You can find us on Twitter at the ffballers.
Unknown Speaker
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Andy Holloway
Sure thing. Yes. If you go to the website thefantasyfootballers.com at the top of the page there is a green button that says shirts. So if you want to buy a Fantasy footballers shirt in any color you.
Unknown Speaker
Want, Any color imaginable.
Andy Holloway
Imaginable. If you want that.
Mike Wright
You want a hoodie?
Unknown Speaker
Oh, yeah, there's hoodies and long sleeves. But yeah.
Andy Holloway
Thank you.
Unknown Speaker
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Mike Wright
Goodbye.
Jason Moore
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Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary: Week 9 Waiver Wire Pickups, Streaming Options, News
Release Date: November 3, 2015
In the November 3, 2015 episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright dive into the latest fantasy football developments. As the team navigates Week 9, they focus on critical waiver wire pickups, streaming quarterback options, and essential news updates that can influence fantasy lineups.
The hosts kick off the episode by sharing positive feedback from their listeners. Mike D praises the podcast for its consistent delivery and impactful advice:
Mike D (08:07): "The Fantasy Footballers have helped me fill to the brim with knowledge and build and adjust a winning squad that now sits atop my league."
Andy gratefully acknowledges the support, emphasizing the community aspect of their platform.
Vernon Davis to the Broncos:
The trade of tight end Vernon Davis to the Broncos presents both opportunities and challenges for fantasy owners. While Davis has potential as a receiver, his role might be limited compared to the currently underperforming Owen Daniels.
Andy Holloway (08:58): "…if you're in a tight end, needy position. I'll take a flyer on him, but I'm not Vernon Davis."
Keenan Allen's Injury:
Wide Receiver Keenan Allen is reported to have a kidney injury, sidelining him indefinitely. This leaves fantasy managers scrambling to find suitable replacements.
Marcus Mariota's Status:
Marcus Mariota is expected to participate fully in Wednesday's practice, with a likely return to action this week, offering some stability for fantasy quarterbacks.
Matt Forte's Availability:
Uncertainty surrounds Matt Forte's injury status, with predictions suggesting he may miss four to five games. This impacts teams relying on Forte for consistent production.
Tyrod Taylor's Return:
Tyrod Taylor is back in action and fully healthy, making him a viable streaming option at quarterback.
Kamar Aiken:
With Steve Smith out due to an Achilles injury, Kamar Aiken emerges as a primary target. While not an immediate starter, he offers long-term value for teams looking to bolster their receiving corps.
Mike Wright (18:41): "I think that Kamar Aiken is a must grab if you need a long-term prospect."
Tavon Austin:
Known for his explosive potential, Tavon Austin remains a popular waiver target. His performance is heavily matchup-dependent, making him a high-risk, high-reward option.
Mike Wright (20:32): "He's used and he has the talent portion of what you're talking about."
Stevie Johnson vs. Malcolm Floyd:
In the absence of Keenan Allen, Stevie Johnson is favored over Malcolm Floyd due to his role in short-pass scenarios. However, Floyd remains a viable option for those seeking additional depth.
Mike Wright (21:59): "I love Stevie Johnson. He would be my number one wide receiver."
D'Angelo Williams:
Both Mike and Andy express strong support for D'Angelo Williams, citing his significant role in Pittsburgh's offense, especially when Le'Veon Bell is injured.
Andy Holloway (24:29): "Everything."
Jeremy Langford:
With Matt Forte potentially missing multiple games, Jeremy Langford is highlighted as a valuable pickup, offering consistent usage in a crowded backfield.
Andy Holloway (26:11): "I am treating the signing of Jeremy Langford as a four to five week AD for my team."
Pierre Thomas:
A recent signing by the 49ers, Pierre Thomas is discussed with mixed opinions. While some view him as a reliable option, Andy remains skeptical about his immediate fantasy impact.
Mike Wright (35:06): "Pierre Thomas is a talented back and he is the lone running back there."
Jordan Reed:
Despite low ownership, Jordan Reed is praised for his double-digit potential when healthy. Owners are encouraged to pick him up and utilize him in their lineups.
Mike Wright (38:02): "If he's healthy, you pick him up and you play him."
Ben Watson:
With newfound value following the return of Heath Miller, Ben Watson becomes a must-add for teams needing tight end depth.
Mike Wright (38:27): "Ben Watson still available in some leagues. He's got to be signed."
As the playoff picture begins to take shape, streaming quarterbacks based on favorable matchups becomes crucial.
Tyrod Taylor:
With his return, Tyrod Taylor is recommended for his strong performance potential, especially against weakened defenses like Miami.
Andy Holloway (40:24): "I like Tyrod Taylor moving forward."
Derek Carr:
Derek Carr is highlighted for his effective performances against tough defenses, making him a reliable streaming option.
Mike Wright (42:09): "Derek Carr is still available in a lot of leagues and he's just been slinging it."
Ryan Fitzpatrick:
Facing Jacksonville at home, Ryan Fitzpatrick is suggested as a solid streaming choice due to the Jets' resilient performance and favorable matchup.
Andy Holloway (42:52): "That is a solid matchup for a quarterback."
The Fantasy Footballers provide a comprehensive analysis of Week 9's fantasy landscape, offering actionable advice on waiver wire pickups and streaming options. With key player injuries and team dynamics in flux, their insights equip fantasy managers to make informed decisions and optimize their rosters for the upcoming fantasy playoffs.
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