Fantasy Football Podcast 2016 - Early WR Rankings, Fantasy News & Mailbag

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary
Episode: Early WR Rankings, Fantasy News & Mailbag
Release Date: April 5, 2016

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I. Introduction to Early Wide Receiver Rankings

The Fantasy Footballers kicked off the episode by delving into their early wide receiver (WR) consensus rankings. Host Andy Holloway, alongside Jason Moore and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright, shared their insights on the top WRs, providing a comprehensive analysis tailored for both dynasty and redraft leagues.

Antonio Brown was unanimously placed at number one, acclaimed for his consistent performance and high touchdown potential. Jason highlighted, “Antonio Brown is the number one in our consensus rankings. He is ridiculously consistent... Or you can take all the above with Antonio Brown” [12:43]. Mike echoed this sentiment, emphasizing Brown's ability to maintain high target volumes even when defensive strategies shift.

Following Brown, Julio Jones secured the number two spot. While Jason maintained presence in top positions across various league formats, Andy positioned Julio as his third-ranked WR in standard leagues but retained him at number two in half-point PPR formats. Mike pointed out Julio's solid yardage despite a dip in touchdown consistency, stating, “He had 1871 yards. His big issue is touchdown consistency” [17:04].

Odell Beckham Jr. (OBJ) was ranked third, praised for his versatility and explosive playmaking ability. Andy expressed a strong preference for OBJ over other top WRs, stating, “Odell Beckham is just Odell Beckham is just an incredible. He's uncoverable. You're not going to, you know, very similar to Antonio Brown” [21:05].

Dez Bryant occupied the fourth position, recognized for his touchdown prowess despite a slightly lower reception count compared to elite peers. Mike detailed Bryant’s strengths, “Dez Bryant is not going to be 120 catch guy. I don't think it will ever get to that point... he will probably get around 90 receptions and around 10 touchdowns” [23:08].

AJ Green and DeAndre Hopkins were placed fifth and sixth, respectively. Jason highlighted AJ Green’s solid all-around performance with over 1,300 yards and double-digit touchdowns, while Andy lauded Hopkins for his consistency and high target volume, despite some variability in his second-half performance.

Mike Evans was ranked seventh, noted for his potential regression but still considered a high-value pick due to his age and rapport with quarterback Jameis Winston. Andy remarked, “Mike Evans is number seven. Let that marinade think about him. Just put him into consideration” [40:14].

Finally, Brandon Marshall rounded out the top eight, celebrated for his reliable touchdown scoring and substantial yardage, making him a safe bet despite concerns about team quarterback changes. Mike emphasized Marshall’s consistency, “Brandon Marshall is pretty safe” [42:05].

II. Fantasy Football News

The hosts transitioned into significant fantasy football news, primarily focusing on Colin Kaepernick's trade prospects and LaShawn McCoy's legal situation.

Colin Kaepernick Trade Talks: Jason initially predicted Kaepernick would remain with the San Francisco 49ers, a stance that elicited debate among the hosts. Despite new reports from Broncos showing willingness to cover a portion of Kaepernick’s salary, Jason maintained his position, stating, “I believe that was 80% accurate” [08:44]. However, the hosts acknowledged the evolving situation, with Andy concluding that Kaepernick’s trade likelihood remains slim despite recent developments.

LaShawn McCoy Legal Update: The discussion shifted to LaShawn McCoy, where Jason noted that the Phoenix DA's office decided not to press charges following a nightclub altercation. Andy updated his fantasy roster accordingly, increasing McCoy’s projected games from 15 to 16, affirming his adaptability within their rankings [09:25].

III. Mailbag and Fantasy Strategy

The episode featured a mailbag segment where listeners' questions were addressed, focusing on keeper strategies and player evaluations.

Keeper Strategy Question: A listener named John S. presented a dilemma about managing keepers in a half-point PPR league. With keepers including Kelvin Benjamin, DeAndre Hopkins, Julio Jones, and Lamar Miller, the question was whether to trade Julio for draft picks or reconsider keeping certain players. The hosts advised against trading Julio, emphasizing his value, and recommended keeping Benjamin and Hopkins as strong foundations.

Cameron in Texas's Dilemma: Another listener, Cameron, faced a decision in a 12-team, three-keeper league with special scoring. He was contemplating trading AJ Green for an earlier draft pick to secure Jordy Nelson and Tyler Eifert. The Fantasy Footballers advised prioritizing AJ Green over Jordy Nelson, given Green’s higher potential and reliability. They also debated the merits of drafting Eifert, with Jeff supporting the decision to keep AJ and suggesting alternatives for other positions.

IV. Additional Highlights and Player Discussions

Throughout the episode, the hosts engaged in deep dives into player performances and projections:

• DeAndre Hopkins vs. Team Dynamics: The discussion touched upon Hopkins’ fluctuating performance due to the Houston Texans' defensive improvements. Andy and Jason debated whether Hopkins' numbers would stabilize or decline, considering changes in team strategy and quarterback play.

• Mike Evans' Potential: Mike Evans was a recurring topic, with Jason projecting him for 1300 yards and 10 touchdowns. Andy highlighted Evans' growth under the current offensive system, positioning him as a high-ceiling player despite a modest touchdown run in the previous season.

• Brandon Marshall's Consistency: Brandon Marshall’s placement in the rankings was defended by Andy, emphasizing his dependable touchdown scoring and the ability to adapt to team quarterback changes, unlike some younger WRs who might have higher variance.

V. Conclusion and Future Episodes

The Fantasy Footballers wrapped up the episode by previewing upcoming content, including further WR rankings and additional mailbag questions. They encouraged listeners to visit their website, participate in the Foot Clan community, and support the independent podcast for exclusive content and resources.

Notable Quotes:

• Jason Moore on Antonio Brown: “Antonio Brown is the number one in our consensus rankings. He is ridiculously consistent...” [12:43]

• Andy Holloway on Julio Jones: “If you don't know the frame of reference for that, it's just...” [14:36]

• Mike Wright on Dez Bryant: “Dez Bryant is just such a monster. Two years ago...” [23:08]

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This episode provided listeners with actionable insights into early WR rankings, essential news updates affecting fantasy rosters, and strategic advice through listener mailbag questions. The detailed analysis and engaging discussions aimed to equip fantasy managers with the knowledge to optimize their teams for the upcoming season.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

Foreign to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome into the castle.

[Mike Wright]

I'm still in the front.

[Jason Moore]

Mike is well. So much to get into. Welcome to the show, the Fantasy footballers podcast. Tuesday, April 5, 2016.

[Mike Wright]

I just saw Jason.

[Jason Moore]

Jason is. Jason's with us.

[Andy Holloway]

Looking good.

[Jason Moore]

You can't see him if you're listening on the podcast, which most of you are. And he's wearing the glasses that he's wearing.

[Mike Wright]

The 90 year old driving glasses.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, the ones you get if you got your eyes dilated at the local optometrist.

[Andy Holloway]

I can't see anything right now out of these glasses. It is pitch black in here.

[Jason Moore]

Well, you don't need them though, right? That's the. No, that's the ruse.

[Andy Holloway]

This is the ruse. My eye has healed. It is. It has been a blessing. And I can see you were down.

[Jason Moore]

You were hurt and if you don't know what we're talking about. Jason was gouged in the eye by a defensive lineman in our flag football matchup. He proceeded to writhe in agony on the ground and, well, you know, you were prone and then you got up, left the field and came back into the game momentarily after. I needed some help on the offensive.

[Andy Holloway]

Line playing with one eye, one eye open.

[Jason Moore]

I drove you home and you didn't open your eye for like three days and it looked, it looked bad. Yeah, like we made a lot of pirate jokes, but it was a serious situation.

[Andy Holloway]

I thought there was a chance that I might need the surgery, but it just healed and it's great.

[Jason Moore]

And yeah, he's doing well and he can see and he looks normal. We really still hit him back behind Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Appreciate the. Well, which. Well, I told you, I said once I get in the front, I'm not giving it up.

[Jason Moore]

And you meant.

[Mike Wright]

It's like in a band when you're a trumpet player and you got to challenge for first chair. While I challenged the. My opponent was not here to accept the challenge. So I won and so facto I'm in the front.

[Jason Moore]

That was an injury thing. Some coaches philosophically. Colin Kaepernick.

[Mike Wright]

Colin Kaepernick. Alex Smith.

[Andy Holloway]

I would rather be Alex Smith than Colin.

[Jason Moore]

So in other words, you have a better future ahead of you than you do.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome, welcome. We've got our wide receivers. We're going through wide receivers last week. If you didn't listen, go back, download the episodes, subscribe to the podcast and listen to some of the older ones. We have running backs. We talked about them last week. Really Good shows, some good debates and then we've got Jason back in here. Now we're going through our wide receiver, our consensus rankings. I'm not gonna commit to just getting through the first six. It depends on how the show goes. I want to get through as many as we can and then we're gonna put a bunch more into the next episode.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

I think we might be able to get through more because the first guys on the list, there's not a ton you need to say about them, but we might anyways. That's, that's what we do. And then we got some mailbag. Got some news for you. I've got an interesting quick question for you as well. I'm curious your answer. If you want to follow the show, you can do so on TwitterFFballers. Check out the website, the fantasyfootballers.com we got really good stuff that is going to be hitting the website soon, including some new content for the tools section of the website, including a draft document that you can use as a template for your league. If you want to do an offline draft and not use the live draft software, that's free, we just are putting that up there for our listeners to use because we use it in our leagues. And make sure you check us out on YouTube, subscribe on there. All the shows are on there. You can see Jason with his entertaining glasses.

[Andy Holloway]

Not anymore.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so quick question. This is a weird one I was pondering and I don't even know if it makes sense, but would you rather have. I'm trying to put this in the dynasty, dynasty league context because you're thinking more long term in a dynasty league. But would you rather have a player who is coming back from their very first ACL tear, Calvin Benjamin.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Or a player that is coming back from a second or third tear but has recovered fine from the previous, for example, Jamal Charles.

[Andy Holloway]

So you know, they've gone through it. They've gone through it and now they've done it twice.

[Jason Moore]

They've already reentered but now they've hurt. Yeah, they've had a second ACL tear. So you have a stack of injuries on that player but you know that.

[Mike Wright]

They have the work ethic to get back, get through the, the rehab.

[Jason Moore]

So is it more like, you know, you're a little bit more beat up but you can come back and you've shown it or is it a first time injury?

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

And you don't know Carson Palmer's come back from two Now I'm going to.

[Mike Wright]

Take the One, I get the argument for a guy who's. He's been through it. Charles, we talked about him in the running back shows of coming back off his ACL tear. He was a. He was a one. He had a five over five yards per carry average. So he was still a beast. But the. Once you tear it once they. So I'm told you're more prone to having another ACL tear.

[Jason Moore]

I've heard that percentage is very, very small.

[Andy Holloway]

It's like 4.6% more likely. Yeah. Within the next two years.

[Mike Wright]

That's more than.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's my answer to this, because the way that you phrase. The question is who would you rather have? And I think that it actually is different between whether from a dynasty perspective, I've got this guy on my roster already or who I'd rather draft, like in a redraft. So if I've already got the guy, I'm in a dynasty league, I would much rather have the guy that only tore it once. Right. Because in theory, we might be a little bit younger here. They haven't had the chance to do it again. I already got him. So I'm hoping, you know, he comes back strong. But if I'm in a redraft and I'm looking at who do I draft and I've got a guy who just tore his ACL last year, we don't know how he's ever come back. Or a guy that, hey, he came back strong, you know, Adrian Peterson or Jamal Charles, and you're going, we already know he can come back. I'm more confident to draft a guy who's come back from it before. So I played both sides.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Superman.

[Andy Holloway]

Hedge.

[Jason Moore]

All right. All right, let's get into the news.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league.

[Jason Moore]

What I'm about to say might very well mean we get through less wide receivers than we could on this show. But I'm opening the can of worms that is you two knuckleheads jumping down my throat this past weekend because I said that Colin Kaepernick wasn't going to be traded.

[Andy Holloway]

Incorrect.

[Jason Moore]

No, that's correct. I did say that.

[Mike Wright]

You're downplaying it. You're downplaying it.

[Jason Moore]

Let me. Okay. In the beginning, I said in the very beginning. I did not say 100%. In the very beginning. I just said I don't think he's getting traded. I think he'll be there. Just like I said with Fitzpatrick. Right. I said Fitzpatrick and Kaepernick are going to stay there. Apparently I was very vehemently saying, yes, it was 100% chance that Colin doesn't move. Colin is still a 49er. He's about to report to their training camp.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

What happened is the news that broke was that the Broncos are willing to pay a portion of Kaepernick's salary. The compensation for a trade has been figured out, but Kaepernick's not willing to reduce. And I don't blame him. He shouldn't be, you know, $4 million and the Broncos aren't willing to pay it. Right now the Broncos are in the worst cap situation in football in terms of total money left underneath the cap. And so I'm bringing it up just because you guys both jumped all over me. Like, I was wrong, but I'm not wrong yet.

[Andy Holloway]

All right?

[Jason Moore]

So I'm holding on to being right.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, here's, here's so. So for all of our awesome Foot Clan listeners, you can partake in this with us. Okay. You can enjoy the, you know, forthcoming Colin Kaepernick news with us because here's what happened. And this is why it's a huge deal whether he gets traded or not within this studio. Because this was like what, two weeks ago?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So two weeks ago we were discussing whether or not Colin Kaepernick could get traded. And let me. Can I be Andy for a second?

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll pretend to be Andy. There is no way he has traded 100%. Less. Less than a zero percent chance he's traded. Never going to happen. Not in a million years. I guarantee, I guarantee you he will not trade. It can't be traded. Can't happen. Never, ever, ever, ever gonna happen. I promise. I, I will. I will bet my children on it. It was basically.

[Jason Moore]

That was like as close to 10%.

[Andy Holloway]

No. Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I'll tell you right now, there's a hundred percent chance that was inaccurate.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, yes, but that was 80% accurate. Honestly, how? It was. It was, it was, it was very, very close. It was, it was many of those.

[Jason Moore]

The word yes or no. Has he been traded?

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, we'll move on. Big trial.net reports the Phoenix DA's office is expected to announce that Lashawn McCoy will not face any charges stemming from a February 7th fight at the local nightclub. Mike made a heavy handed Lashawn McCoy joke on the last episode, but not charged. Could he still face punishment from the league?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, absolutely. He can still face it, but this is a step in the right direction.

[Jason Moore]

For all Dynasty Keeper owners. Did you have a party at A nightclub last night to celebrate.

[Mike Wright]

You know what's funny? I was trying, I was thinking about this is, is LaShawn McCoy the first NFL player who is happy that his actions were actually on videotape? Like the videotape is what is going to save him from. From two undercover police officers giving their word of a story which will be taken. That will be taken by the law officers or by the law. The answer is yes, by the enforcement. But there's actual video of it.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

Showing that. And the cops have said they, they found their officers actions questionable. So that's why, that's why nothing will happen. Which he still insist he could still get a game.

[Jason Moore]

The, the 3:00am at a nightclub with your entourage situation.

[Mike Wright]

That's tough.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. More guys get in trouble that way than, you know, being at home.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I agree. And the reality is he can, he can still be suspended by the NFL, but I don't think it's going to happen. And usually I'm more.

[Mike Wright]

I tend to agree now.

[Andy Holloway]

So I'm actually going to bump him up. I started LaShawn McCoy in our rankings that we talked about last week with 15 games because I assumed either, either way he was going to get a one game suspension. With this news, I'm going to stat him for 16, probably move him up a spot or two. Won't really affect our consensus ranking.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think he'll move very much for me because most of my project I didn't really consider. Consider it too much.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So that's pretty much all the news. Right. That's happening right now. Receivers get to as many as possible. But before we do that, we want to take a second and thank today's sponsor, Pristine Auction. You guys, the Foot Clan have heard us talk about Pristine Auction now for a couple of weeks and I get commented on Twitter all the time with the joy of these new memorabilia items that are coming from Pristine Auction. People are tweeting out left and right about their new signed jerseys they found for a screaming deal, their new helmets. Look. Father's Day is coming up, people. Father's Day is coming up and it's not just a male sport anymore. Mother's Day is coming up. All sorts of holidays.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

And that's where I hit the wide receiver drop button that is frozen. So let me move on.

[Andy Holloway]

Wide receivers.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

All right. You're talking about Pristine Auction.

[Mike Wright]

Absolutely.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. That's good stuff. All right, look, big surprise at the top guys. You know, a lot of people think maybe Jerry Rice, maybe get ready for a hot take.

[Mike Wright]

America.

[Jason Moore]

Lynn Swan. No, it's Antonio Brown. Antonio Brown is the number one in our consensus rankings. And like I said, we'll go as far as we can, but Brown, you know, the big debate for Brown isn't is he worthy of the number one spot in the wide receiver rankings. It's is he worthy of the number one spot in the overall rankings? He is ridiculously consistent. He offers. So a lot of times wide receivers offer you different things. They offer you a long, a long play, right? Like a guy that can get deep. Martavis Bryant makes a lot of big plays. Or they offer you volume. You know, you've got like Golden Tate, you know, Jarvis Landry, a player like.

[Mike Wright]

That caliber Edelman, ppr.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Lower yards per catch average. But they, they catch a lot of balls. They offer you touchdowns. You know, you got Kelvin Benjamin. I'm gonna get in the end zone. Does Brian, I'm gonna get in the end zone.

[Andy Holloway]

Or all of the above.

[Jason Moore]

Or you can take all the above with Antonio Brown. I mean, you have multiple double digit touchdown seasons from Antonio brown. You have 1800 yard that for one guy. You know, you hear that number and maybe Julio's. I think Julio's in that category too, because they were both that high. You know, they can do it again. Those guys are. You don't look at it and go, boy, that was a crazy outlier fountain. Well, he missed Big Ben for part of the year and he put up 1834 yards.

[Andy Holloway]

So we had a, we had an awesome conversation with a Foot clan member who has this. I mean, we've talked about it before, but that debate of who do I take? And in his situation, it was keep first in the draft for their first round pick, Antonio Brown or Le'Veon Bell. And that's a conversation you usually can't have. So I think Mike and I went Antonio Brown. Andy, you went Le'Veon Bell. But the fact that you can have that conversation says what he can do. This past year, he led the league in the percentage of team receptions in games that he started with 34.8%.

[Mike Wright]

That is monstrous.

[Andy Holloway]

That is. If you don't know.

[Mike Wright]

Target share is ridiculous.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. If you don't know the frame of reference for that, it's just, it's a. And now with Martavis Bryant going out, you have the questions every time the wide receiver two goes out. Well, does it help? Does it hurt? Sometimes you hear both arguments. Well, last year we saw, we saw what happened when Martavis Bryant was out. And the truth is when you've got a guy like Antonio Brown, he's already getting the best coverage that the defense can do. They're not, they're not, not trying to take Antonio Brown out. And now Big Ben is just looking at him more and more. Antonio Brown to me, is my number one pick in the draft, certainly my number one wide receiver in all formats.

[Mike Wright]

The crazy part about Brown is there was that those couple games you had, the Michael Vick games where Brown lost his, his streak, the 5 for 50, his pace with Ben Roethlisberger, in which that's highly questionable. Ben roethlisberger playing all 16 games, granted. However, his pace with Roethlisberger would have set single season records in targets, receptions and receiving yards with almost 160 catches for over 2,100 yards. I mean, so that's almost exactly what.

[Jason Moore]

Julio would have done with Rosberger.

[Mike Wright]

Here's. Here's what I will say. Antonio Brown did not hit his ceiling with over 1800 yards. He didn't hit it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, I'm not a big fan of the extrapolations of those sites, but the argument is compelling enough. I mean, he, he, I think can be expected to put a unconscionable season out there again without it being weird. You know, he's done two years in a row that way. I. What I like about Brown is you don't seem to see the same negative arguments about the coverage he's facing or the DBs he's facing that you hear about Julio, you know, you saw Julio with the Norman. One good game with Norman, one bad game with Norman. Brown is just Brown. I have Brown as my number one in standard. I have. He's basically tied with Julio and PPR leagues for me. So he belongs there. He is Antonio Brown and he's very worthy of. You know, the guy we talked to this morning. I don't know if you mentioned it just now because I don't remember, but he. He had the decision to make between Brown and Left Bell, but he had Gurley in the third as a keeper.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

So it kind of made it a no brainer to go with Brown and lock down that position. So number two is Julio Jones in our consensus rankings. Do any of us have him outside of the top two in their own rankings?

[Andy Holloway]

I do.

[Jason Moore]

Three.

[Andy Holloway]

I have him three in standard. In standard leagues. And it's not because of Julio. Love me some Julio, but I am huge on Odell.

[Jason Moore]

Becky, where do you have him in half point?

[Andy Holloway]

Half point is he is two.

[Jason Moore]

He's still two. Okay, so what I meant is you don't have him outside of.

[Andy Holloway]

Nope. We're one and two across the board in our half point PPR format.

[Jason Moore]

So just like Antonio Brown, he had 136 receptions last year. He had more yards. 1871. His big issue is touchdown consistency.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, no. Oh, no. Breaking news.

[Mike Wright]

Really?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. This stinks. Andy, you're gonna need to. You're gonna need to play the drop for this.

[Jason Moore]

There's so many different drops. I could play for this. But we'll start here.

[Andy Holloway]

Breaking news. Apparently trade talks for calling Kaepernick have been called off. No.

[Jason Moore]

Eat it.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

I will serve thy pie. My humble pie. Eat it.

[Andy Holloway]

Wow, that stinks.

[Jason Moore]

Knuckleheads.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, is there still time to trade him? Could it come back to life? I will not until game one. I'm not hopping off of this.

[Jason Moore]

I was worried it was gonna go the other direction. I had no idea what text that was.

[Mike Wright]

Where were we? Here's the thing for Julio Jones, you know, monster season. My biggest question mark for him is Matt Ryan. Everyone feels like the feeling is Matt Ryan had a horrible statistical season. You know, he. And he couldn't handle the new Kyle Shanahan offense, which there's only. There's some truth to that. However, he was essentially right in the average of his careers or of his career for. For attempts, yards, receptions, everything except touchdowns. This was the lowest touchdown year of his career except his rookie year. He had 21 touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

That can.

[Mike Wright]

That can go up to me.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Learning the system being used in the.

[Jason Moore]

Red zone a little bit more.

[Mike Wright]

So it just. To me, I think Julio Jones can also go up a little bit. You add, you know, he only had eight. Eight touchdowns for Julio. So you put three or Four more on there and then you're talking just another monster year for Julio.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. Julio is.

[Andy Holloway]

Would anybody be crazy to say I want to draft Julio Jones over Antonio?

[Jason Moore]

Not at all.

[Mike Wright]

Not at all.

[Jason Moore]

That's fine.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I wouldn't do it. But it's not. It's not ludicrous.

[Andy Holloway]

I was hoping one of you said yes, because I lean. I'm just the type where, you know, even from a perspective of how many times you had Julio all year, last year, how many times is it frustrating to just watch him get semi hurt and kind of a little gimby?

[Jason Moore]

Obviously I didn't have a problem. He didn't have that issue for me last year. I mean, he's had. He's had that in the past, but I think maybe in the beginning of the year a little bit. But he was. I mean, look at the numbers speak for themselves. And I know you guys are all about Antonio Brown and okay, he was great without Martavis Bryant. I want to give you two narratives that you can follow that are possible. I think you will admit that they're possible. One, the team averaged seven points less per game with Martavis Bryant out of the lineup as a team. Two, Lev Bell did not play last year. Okay, Lev Bell comes in. He clearly takes a number of targets. He takes a number of red zone opportunities. You got Ladarius Green and Lev Bell now involved in the red zone. You just make that argument. It doesn't mean Antonio Brown struggles or anything. It's just a variable there that, you know, Antonio Brown's not a big guy. He's not going to get a jump ball. He will probably still get the touchdowns that we project him for, but they're, you know, it should just be said.

[Andy Holloway]

It's. It's a word. It's a worthy thought.

[Jason Moore]

That's all to say. Julio very well could be the number one this year. There's no. I mean, they were neck and neck all year last year.

[Andy Holloway]

Very difficult. For how many years has it been since a wide receiver is actually repeated as the number one fantasy option? I think it's been Calvin last one. Yeah, I believe so. So that's. That's a while. Which says Antonio Brown. I mean, if history were to repeat itself, if that was something that, you know, Antonio Brown.

[Jason Moore]

This is a ridiculous question. Did he finish first in standard?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Oh, in Standard.

[Jason Moore]

In standard.

[Andy Holloway]

I believe Antonio Brown did finish first in standard. I'll find that out right now.

[Jason Moore]

I know it sounds ridiculous not to know that off the top of your head, but.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he was like, so close.

[Jason Moore]

It was so close.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So number three on our list is the aforementioned number two in standard for myself, my man crush of the coming year, Ruben Randall. Odell Beckham Jr. OBJ, who is. Look, his. He put up numbers.

[Mike Wright]

You're flustered.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm like, I'm blushing because of my man crush for him. His numbers that he's put up in his first two years pretty much beat every wide receiver in the history of the NFL except Randy Moss has him on a couple of categories. But. But, oh, wait. Odell Beckham has missed five games in those. In those first 32, he's missed five games and he's done that. Odell Beckham is just an incredible. He's uncoverable. You're not going to, you know, very similar to Antonio Brown in the sense that there's nothing you can do to quickness.

[Jason Moore]

It's just too much.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. His speed is. He can go long, he can go short. He got his yards per reception to over 15 last year. And I think that with McAdoo taking over as the head coach, the offense is going to be a power in New York. I like a lot of things for him, so talk me off of him.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not going to talk you off of him, but I am going to ask you a dynasty question. He's 23 years old. Antonio Brown's 27 years old. Julio, I believe, is 27 or 26. Who would you rather have starting today in a dynasty league?

[Andy Holloway]

Odell Beckham, without a shadow of a doubt. To me, when we had that, you.

[Jason Moore]

Know, the next three or four years.

[Andy Holloway]

So let's say the next three or four years, he finishes second or third.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

To those other guys. But then that's just the question. Seven years. I mean, when we had that show after the show on YouTube. Shout out to our exclusive YouTube shows.

[Jason Moore]

Shout out to yourself. Is that what you just did to YouTube?

[Andy Holloway]

To you two on YouTube. But we asked the question of if you had to start a guy for the next 10 years.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Who would it be? And I think Odell Beckham is one of those guys that is in the running for that role.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Yeah. I mean, he had the fifth most yards in the league with 1450. And he didn't have over 100 receptions where you had like Julio and Antonio Brown with 136 each. You've got consistency in the offense, which you love. You certainly hope he doesn't get banged up repeatedly, but it's not a variable you don't have with Julio it's not a variable. You don't have a DEs. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And his game suspension.

[Jason Moore]

Right. So Dez Bryant, this might be the first kind of. Okay, I'm surprised this guy's here. He's number four in our consensus list. Now who has them? The very highest. Because I believe I have him at five.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, you. You and I both have him at five. Mike has him at number four.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. So there you go. He's number four.

[Mike Wright]

Dez Bryant is just such a monster. Two years ago Dez Bryant had 16 touchdowns. That was the most touchdowns for a wide receiver since Calvin Johnson in 2011. I will. My only argument against Dez Bryant is the, is the touchdowns and catches versus the other top elite guys. Dez Bryant is not going to be 120 catch guy. I don't think it will ever get to that point. Just with the offense that they run. Could he do it? Yeah, but that's not what they do down in Dallas. They want to run the ball a lot more. However, when you're, when you're looking at a wide receiver who you say who's going to catch 10 touchdowns you have to put everything you own on a guy. That one guy that'll catch 10 touchdowns. I'm going Dez Bryant because they as much as they're a running team, that little zig out route that they run on the goal line is nearly unstoppable for DEZ Bryant. So is. That's why he's up at number four for me is I know he'll get the double digit touchdowns. I know he'll get around 90 perceptions and he's just. It is a stud.

[Andy Holloway]

Well a lot of these guys are very close in our projections. I do want to bring this up though because for me I feel like there's a tier here. I feel like you've got to me I put Odell Beckham in that top tier with the three you're saying. Yes, I'm saying Antonio Brown, Julio and Odie and OBJ are the first tier.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I think we all break to this next group of guys we're talking about who are in this next group so close together it's. It's flip a four sided coin.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Which I've never seen. So let me. Yep. I'm going to bring up an interesting. Now our rankings don't reflect this question but this question is a valid one. There will be a lot of people who would rather have Alan Robinson coming out for last year at that age then the risk or perceived risk of Dez Bryant now we have Dez Bryant at 4. We do not have Allen Robinson up in this category. Maybe in the category, maybe in the tier. I don't know where we draw the line there, but DEZ Bryant ahead of Allen Robinson. What do you think about that situation?

[Andy Holloway]

I think you, you should have Des Bryant ahead of Alan Robinson. Allen Robinson is younger and sometimes we get a little bit too carried away with that. But you've got a guy last year in Allen Robinson who did not. He got 14 touchdowns and he got 14 touchdowns on for that number. Very few receptions. He was under 90 receptions.

[Jason Moore]

80.

[Andy Holloway]

80 receptions for Allen Robinson last year. And look, he was a huge guy from this show. We loved Alan Robinson last year and still do. Absolutely. He's. He's going to be fantastic this year. But you just look back and you say, well, Des Bryant, I know what I have in him. I know you can argue the foot. You can argue Tony Romo if you want to go on that. But I'm going to argue that we have years and years and years of him being a touchdown target, whereas we have one year of Allen Robinson really all of a sudden being this crazy touchdown target. And it wasn't necessarily red zone. I believe Allen Robinson led the league in receptions over 20 yards last year. So they were bombs, and those are a little bit less consistent, especially after somebody's broken out as that player.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

So I would go, Daz here, to.

[Mike Wright]

Me, like you're saying people would argue Romo against Des Bryant. I argue Romo for DEZ Bryant. I mean, Tony Romo is maybe going.

[Jason Moore]

To have you compare Bortles.

[Mike Wright]

Romo, say, maybe Romo is not clutch or whatever. Romo is a great quarterback. He. His numbers over the years are actually astounding. When you go and look at him and his passer rating, he's a highly efficient quarterback who can. He's the kind of guy who can actually get it done with the lower volume of attempts compared to guy like Bortles, where you need him to be around the top three and attempts for. To sustain that level of production. Romo, he. He's so great that he doesn't need to have that high of a volume.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's move on to the fifth guy in our consensus rankings. He's four across the board. For me, he's one of my big targets this year for the value. And his name might surprise you. Maybe not AJ Green.

[Mike Wright]

Don't forget. Don't forget about AJ Green.

[Jason Moore]

Now, look, AJ Green is the same, same draft class as Julio Jones.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. It was taken before Julio.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, he was. And he's great.

[Andy Holloway]

He is taller than Julio. He's better looking than Julio.

[Jason Moore]

Whoa, whoa. I didn't know we were going into that kind of analysis.

[Andy Holloway]

I got him ranked number four as well.

[Mike Wright]

I would say very in depth.

[Andy Holloway]

I would take AJ Green over Dez Bryant in all formats every single year.

[Jason Moore]

He's played 16 games. He's been a double digit touchdown guy and also a guy right around the 13, 1400 yard mark. He's obviously, I believe that the thing that could change him in my rankings. Now these are early rankings. I hope I don't have to say that. I hope you can look at your watch and see what, what the day is. But the thing that's going to change could change a little bit. I know they're going to draft somebody. They have to draft somebody in Cincinnati.

[Mike Wright]

Brandon Lafell.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, they have to draft two people. But that's a piece of the puzzle. We saw Ifert last year and we think the touchdown regression is coming for ifrt. Doesn't mean he's not going to be a Red Zone 4. It just means that was a efficient red zone force. Yes, that he was. Now it might not.

[Andy Holloway]

But even if they draft someone, I mean they, they lost two guys. So if they replace him with.

[Jason Moore]

Look, there's a reliability there that is.

[Andy Holloway]

Speaking of reliability, AJ Green has the most years in a row of all wide receivers in the NFL of over a thousand active playing because it would have been Calvin, but he has retired of over a thousand yards. I mean that's consistency. And the thing is when you have that kind of consistency in a guy like A.J. green, you also have potential with him for those monster games where he'll put up, you know, 200 yards and three touchdowns and win you a week by himself.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And he, he is capable of that big play. Obviously the long pass. I've had many fantasy week destroyed by one of those passes, the 90 yard touchdown. I just really like A.J. green this year. I think you still have an offense that is. I mean don't let's not forget where Cincinnati was last year when Dalton was healthy. They were a prolific offense. I think I use that word a lot.

[Mike Wright]

Prolific.

[Jason Moore]

I think I use prolific.

[Mike Wright]

It's a good word.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. But I need to, I need to kind of.

[Mike Wright]

You got to open up variety source.com.

[Jason Moore]

So anything else about AJ Green or we want to get to number.

[Mike Wright]

I just, I completely agree. I think he's going to be one of the overlooked guys for whatever reason. He just has that feel, you know, that. That he's not considered one of the elite guys and he very, very well could finish on the top three easily.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, absolutely. So number six on our list is a darling to many appropriately DeAndre Hopkins. Now, DeAndre Hopkins was a shining burst onto the scene.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

An explosion to start the year last year, in fact he had 13.5 targets per game through week 11. That's not target which was the most in the league. That was ahead of guys that finished as the highest reception totals like Julio and Antonio Brown. Now he had a second half of the year that wasn't as good. And this is like Devonta Freeman. Right. Where both of those situations, they burned so bright in the beginning. We said it on the air over and over again. We said be careful not. Not be careful even. We just said the numbers are going to go down. Freak out. They're not. They're going to go down. It just can't happen. A guy. It's like Doug Baldwin. Right. He can't. You can't have 29 touchdowns season.

[Mike Wright]

Careful old.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Are you projecting 29 again?

[Andy Holloway]

30.

[Jason Moore]

30.

[Andy Holloway]

30 touchdowns for Doug Baldwin this coming season.

[Jason Moore]

That's not. I mean I do love Doug Baldwin to a game average. Not a big deal. So DeAndre Hopkins also has what I the reason he's not up at the very top. In fact, I think he's a lot lower.

[Andy Holloway]

He's eight for me as a show. As a consistent.

[Jason Moore]

He's 10 for me in standard.

[Andy Holloway]

I think eight for me. He is one of the guys and of course, please don't hear this wrong. We love DeAndre Hopkins. His target volume is great. But compared to the adp, our consensus, this is one of the guys that we have lower than where he is going in your average redraft league. So keep that in mind. We're a little lower on Hopkins than. Than the. Than the majority.

[Jason Moore]

You bring in Lamar Miller, you have a great defense and you bring in Brock Osweiler.

[Andy Holloway]

Slow the game down, run the ball.

[Jason Moore]

Sure. And even if. Even if I will openly say I think everything could be fine normal for Hopkins. That's a very high possibility. You had Brian Hoyer, you had Ryan Mallet, you had guy off the street last year and they all.

[Mike Wright]

Brandon weeded.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Brandon Wheaton. And they all just threw the ball up to Hopkins and he made plays and that's what he's going to do. I just don't want. I don't know what the offense is. So that variable of seeing Osweiler in the system with Lamar Miller and the defense and then the second half of the year being when their defense was good. Those things are what works him into the still A one, probably room for aggression. I don't generally draft guys that have what I consider to be their career year. You know, Emmanuel Sanders being the example last year, coming off a career year, I don't generally draft those guys because there's not a lot of room for upside. So that's where I stand on Hopkins.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. The thing that really hits that home for me and you mentioned it was the difference between the first half of the year and the second half of the year. Because it wasn't, you know, look, Devonta Freeman, right. He had a big difference first half and second half. He got a concussion, he came back off some injuries and there's. So we go, okay, what's the reason? Well, when you look at the reason for DeAndre Hopkins lack of success, I mean he was still great the second half, but definitely not what he was. That whole season was because of the turnaround of the defense for the Houston Texans. And who is coming into this year saying the Texans D, they're, they're no.

[Mike Wright]

Good, they're going to fall apart.

[Jason Moore]

Did you see that J.J. watt played with five torn muscles and now he says yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey J.J. watt, you ever come back in a game after you busted over? Yeah, I came in with a, with a broken eye. Jj, where you at?

[Jason Moore]

Then again, you are fine a few days later. Yeah, so, but sorry, distracted. Your point?

[Andy Holloway]

The point is that there is a reason, a correlation for why his numbers dipped a little bit. And I expect, I think most people, even Those who love DeAndre Hopkins would agree that the defense is going to be better year long this coming season than it was year long this past season, which stands to reason they'd be throwing the ball a little bit less. You saw, you know, not just gunslinging it as many times as they did last year in the first half.

[Jason Moore]

I got a great question for you guys. Great question. And I think we will go through eight, by the way. I think we'll go through eight and then we'll do like eight more on the next show. So wide receivers a little deeper. We'll do that. Here's the question. We just talked about Lamar Miller on the running back shows. I think he was our consensus five. Now we're talking about DeAndre Hopkins, consensus six. How would you categorize those guys in that offense? You know, we talk a lot about the Lacey and Jordy Nelson or the Antonio Brown and Lev Bell. Now You've got Hopkins and Lamar, who statistically, I mean, projection wise, they're in this like scarce, worthy of a first round pick category.

[Andy Holloway]

Scares me a lot more than those other teams because I don't see the Houston Texans as this prolific offense that's going, I'm sorry, this co. They're just going to put up copious amounts of points.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

As an offense, I feel like the Texans are a defense. First team, the Steelers.

[Jason Moore]

Now could they be the jets, though? Jets gave you lots of ivory. Marshall or.

[Mike Wright]

And Decker.

[Jason Moore]

Marshall. Decker. I'm just wondering, is that the ascension?

[Andy Holloway]

That would be the ascension. That would be the height. But I'm going to trust the higher profile offenses over the higher profile defenses. And there's a lot of questions here. People don't. When there's changes, when there are big, sexy changes, people get too excited and they don't realize that sometimes changes hurt. Especially in the NFL where. Yeah, I mean, you've got a new quarterback, a new running back. Those things are going to have to be worked out and they're not as great as the Texans marketing department is going to make everybody think from day one.

[Jason Moore]

All right, I want to move on to number seven. I think this is the most maybe shocking pick so far today in our, in our rankings.

[Mike Wright]

Really.

[Jason Moore]

I do. I think we have to be different than the consensus out there among other experts with him. Do you want to see where his, what's his adp, what's his number?

[Mike Wright]

Jason's looking right now.

[Jason Moore]

So where's he being drafted as? No, this is.

[Andy Holloway]

I haven't revealed the name yet because I love it. He's being drafted in the third round.

[Jason Moore]

What?

[Andy Holloway]

Wide receiver in a third round. That would put him as wide receiver 13 outside of the wider.

[Jason Moore]

So we haven't. We have him at 7 and we're saying, you know, head down to the basement, put your combination in, open the vault, take out your money, take it upstairs, call your broker, say you want to put it all down on Mike Evans. On Mike Evans. Yeah, let's invest on Mike Evans. Now, some of you driving, maybe you pump the brakes a little bit. What do we.

[Andy Holloway]

Spit out your coffee?

[Jason Moore]

Let's make the case for Mike Evans because if it's not happening on this show, it's not happening anywhere else. So make the case for Mike Evans.

[Mike Wright]

It's all about the ascension of his career. He came out a rookie sensation over a thousand yards. I believe he was a wide receiver. One.

[Jason Moore]

He was. He was like.

[Mike Wright]

Because he was over 1000 yards. A monster of the end zone. Now this year there was, it was a little bit shaky. It seemed you had the injury, you didn't know when he was going to play. He had, there was even a game where I think he had a bunch of targets and no catches.

[Jason Moore]

He had the game where he had the most drops in 10 years.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

The history of the NFL in 10 years.

[Mike Wright]

And the problem to me, six was Jameis was, Winston was still learning. Evans had a very large amount of uncatchable passes. So I think that he made, he maximized what he was given, still had over 1200 yards. So he increased his yardage by a couple hundred. And here is a monster telling stat. In 2014, Mike Evans scored on 10.3 of his targets. Of receivers who had 50 plus targets. That was fifth highest last year Evans scored on 2.31% of his touches. That's the sixth lowest of receivers over 50 targets.

[Andy Holloway]

So, so good. That's such good news.

[Jason Moore]

We talk about six, five receivers. Are those better for the end zone or worse?

[Mike Wright]

We talk about regression from Allen Robinson. You have, you have to talk about return to the average for Mike Evans. Three touchdowns. A guy who was 6, 5 caught.

[Andy Holloway]

Three touchdowns coming into last year. And in the draft we were super high on Alan Robinson and we were a little down on where the norm for Mike Evans. Everyone was going, this guy had this incredible rookie year, over a thousand yards. He's six five and he got 12 touchdowns. And we were like, whoa, whoa, hold your horses. He caught 12 touchdowns in his rookie year. That's probably not going to happen. And I think we ranked him about where he finished up. We didn't hate him, but we were like, he's not worthy of where he's being drafted. And now the pendulum has swung. He got three touchdowns last year and he was still a great fantasy option. Now you come forward with another year of rapport built with Jameis Winston. Winston moving forward, the offensive coordinator taking over the head coach role and dirt cutter. So many things moving toward him being a long term what season fantasy star.

[Mike Wright]

What season is Mike Evans entering?

[Andy Holloway]

Number three?

[Mike Wright]

Number three. The magic season. 22 years old for wide receivers, super young.

[Jason Moore]

Sounds like we need to go on to pristine auction and find some Mike Evans merchandise. Magic Mike, I can dig it. That's what I call him.

[Mike Wright]

So I'm all in on Mike Evans this year.

[Andy Holloway]

I thought I was, you know, a couple shows ago we had a show where we were picking, you know, your, your, your vice president, the guy who's gonna for the first time take that leap to be the guy. And my guy was Mike Evans because I really believe in him. And I was shocked to see when we finished our rankings, you both had him a couple spots higher than I did.

[Mike Wright]

Because you picked Mike Evans. I couldn't pick him.

[Jason Moore]

And look, I don't think what's nice about the touchdown argument is that you're not. You're not projecting ascension in a thousand different categories. Last year at 74 receptions, I think I projected him for 81. I don't think he's much more than an 80. He's like Robinson is. Look, his yards per catch were 16.3. Robinsons were in the 17s. I projected him for just, you know, 1300 yards. 80. 80 touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

80.

[Jason Moore]

80 receptions and. But 10 touchdowns. Double digits.

[Mike Wright]

Like Doug Baldwin.

[Jason Moore]

Exactly. So Mike Evans, number seven. Let that marinade think about him. Just put him into consideration. Because I know there again, somehow this comes back to Alan Robinson because of how high he finished. You start thinking about would somebody keep Allen Robinson or would they keep Mike Evans? Would they keep DEZ Bryant? Would they keep Alan Robinson? So number eight is a guy who finished number three last year. Okay. I think he's probably here. He might move up. I would move this guy ahead of Evans if I knew Fitzpatrick was back. And that's Brandon Marshall. Brandon Marshall. I don't know what it is. I can't look at his stat line without somehow still being surprised. Every time I see it, I know what it is.

[Mike Wright]

That's fair.

[Jason Moore]

But 109 catches, 1500 yards and 14 touchdowns. He is not somebody who I think is. It's as anomalous for him to get that kind of a touchdown total. Not that I'm projecting 14, but I think double digits is pretty. A pretty safe bet that pieces are bad.

[Mike Wright]

He's pretty safe. So if you take out the two years ago when he was on the Bears and he was just getting beat up and he kept trying to play injured and it wasn't working out. So you take that out. Besides his rookie year, he averages 12, 80 yards and nine touchdowns. Wow, that's. That's ridiculous.

[Jason Moore]

I guess I already do have him ahead of Mike Evans. I have him at five in PPR and six in half.

[Andy Holloway]

I think I'm the one bringing Brandon Marshall down in the overall rankings. He would be higher than 8 for us for sure.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, because I have him at 6. So what do you have, Mike?

[Mike Wright]

I'm not on the correct page.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I can tell you. You both have him at six. I have 13 outside of a wide receiver one.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so you're the one that needs to talk.

[Mike Wright]

Defend yourself.

[Andy Holloway]

I can defend myself pretty easily. And the reason that he is ranked where he is at 13 outside of wide receiver one is pretty much because they have no quarterback right now. And I said before the show today, if Ryan Fitzpatrick resigns then I will definitely be moving him up because there's no reason to think that. I mean, sure, you could say he's going to miss a couple touchdowns this this coming year than he did this last year. I think he had 14 touchdowns. That was his career high. I don't expect him to get 14 touchdowns. He could get 10. And I think that that's a really accurate, serviceable number which will bring him down from that number three wide receiver spot. But that's with Ryan Fitzpatrick if Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't there. Brandon Marshall has shown he can do it with a variety of wide receivers, a variety of teams. Brandon Marshall is not going to be bad. I've still got him very high but it is going to take a hit on that offense to have. I mean, what do you want, Geno Smith?

[Mike Wright]

You want me to do you a.

[Jason Moore]

Favor right now so that you can move on with Brandon Marshall? I don't mind doing this, guys. It's really not a problem for me. 100% chance that Ryan Fitzpatrick is the quarterback of the New York Jets. 100%, you guarantee it.

[Andy Holloway]

I can't wait. I'm going to get on the phone and do whatever I can to get Colin Kaepernick traded to the jets so that I can, in one fell swoop come in on my white horse.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, so Brandon Marshall.

[Mike Wright]

What is that phone call? Hey, guys, have you thought about Mr. Kelly? Come on, come on.

[Jason Moore]

Brandon Marshall. Little known fact here, guys. Brandon Marshall is three days older than me.

[Mike Wright]

Ooh.

[Andy Holloway]

So what you're saying is he's an old man.

[Mike Wright]

So what you're telling me is that I'm also older than Brandon Marshall youe.

[Jason Moore]

Can add them to the list, Mike, the list is long.

[Mike Wright]

My life is over.

[Jason Moore]

All right, I guess I should run those back, huh? What do we got? Why don't one of you guys do that?

[Mike Wright]

So we got our top eight, Antonio Brown, Julio Jones and a Just a friendly reminder, this is half point ppr that is our preferred scoring format. So that is what this list is from Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, number three, Odell Beckham Jr. Number four, Dez Bryant. Number five, AJ Green, number six, DeAndre Hopkins, number seven, Mike Evans. And number eight, Brandon Marshall. And just my final Thing for Marshall. I put him in that category with AJ Green where they're great and for some reason their greatness will be forgotten.

[Andy Holloway]

Surprising names not in our top eight. Allen Robinson and Doug Baldwin.

[Jason Moore]

Well, we'll get to at least one of those names on the next show. So let's answer some questions from the mailbag.

[Andy Holloway]

Mailbag.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'll. I'll drop this on you. I project lock it for double digit touchdowns and I think it's easy. Easy?

[Andy Holloway]

Ridiculous. Easy. I gave him seven. You're giving him like what, like four special teams touchdowns? Three. No, because he got several this year. I think he can repeat that. Seven touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

Tyler Lockett, how many did he have last year?

[Andy Holloway]

I think seven.

[Jason Moore]

I'm talking about just receiving.

[Andy Holloway]

Receiving.

[Jason Moore]

Just receiving.

[Andy Holloway]

Five.

[Jason Moore]

Six.

[Andy Holloway]

Six. Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Second half of the year pace was around 10. I don't think easy is the right word for it, but I think he's is very possible.

[Mike Wright]

100%.

[Jason Moore]

Somebody guarantee somebody has to catch touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

For that team and it's gonna be Doug Bowen.

[Jason Moore]

How many does. How many does Russell Wilson throw for?

[Andy Holloway]

30.

[Mike Wright]

I'd say low 30s.

[Jason Moore]

No, I have a lot.

[Andy Holloway]

You are making my case for Doug Baldwin. We'll get into this in a couple of minutes.

[Jason Moore]

Maybe you should write in a mailbag question from Dougie. All right, mailbag, we've got a few questions here today. If you want to ask a question on this show, you just go to the website thefantasyfootballers.com click the submit a question button or you can dial our voicemail hotline. 302464 TFFB. First question from John S. Huh?

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

John's I believe is how you pronounce John's.

[Jason Moore]

Tons of them.

[Mike Wright]

My league allows two keepers to anyone keepers.

[Jason Moore]

Is that any position?

[Mike Wright]

Well, I think it's because it's two anyone keepers and two developmental keepers.

[Jason Moore]

All right. And it is half point per reception. My. What is that?

[Mike Wright]

My devo keepers. So the development keepers. I'll take over here. My development keepers, I don't know what it is are Kelvin Benjamin and DeAndre Hopkins. For his anyone keepers he has to pick between Andrew Luck, Julio Jones or Lamar Miller. Would you try and trade away Julio for draft peaks and picks and keep Luck and Miller or just send Luck or Miller back to the draft.

[Jason Moore]

I would not try to trade. I would keep Lila Jones and Lamar Miller and I would happily send Andrew Luck back to the draft.

[Andy Holloway]

If you start with Kelvin Benjamin, DeAndre Hopkins, Julio Jones and Lamar Miller, you are in a great position set up for this next year.

[Mike Wright]

My question is so he can trade Julio and keep the other two, can you not trade Luck and keep Julio and Miller?

[Andy Holloway]

Sure you can. You probably just can't get as much. And he's thinking, I think that's fine though. Yeah, yeah. Look to trade Luck.

[Mike Wright]

So would you look to trade him or would you rather send him back into the draft and hoping that you're going to pick him?

[Andy Holloway]

No, I would get value.

[Jason Moore]

First one.

[Mike Wright]

Do you trade him more?

[Jason Moore]

Because I don't have any special attachment to Luck. Why would I?

[Mike Wright]

That's right.

[Andy Holloway]

And you don't get anything by having a chance at drafting him. You get something if you get something back for him.

[Jason Moore]

All right, Cameron in Texas, I'm in a 12 team, three keeper league with special scoring. I have so many good players to choose from and so I find myself flip flopping every day. That's a good problem, but a problem nonetheless. I have Jamal Charles, Lamar Miller, Doug Martin, AJ Green, Jordy Nelson, Tyler Eifert. He says he's potentially looking to trade AJ Green for the second pick in the first so I can hopefully grab Jordy and then pick Ifer at my sixth spot.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, clearly based on this show you would know that we like A.J. green more than Jordy Nelson.

[Mike Wright]

We do.

[Andy Holloway]

So I would.

[Jason Moore]

Jordy's name did not come up right.

[Andy Holloway]

So I would, I would not do that.

[Mike Wright]

Lastly, adding keeper into it. Not that you're going to go crazy with the future of only three keepers, however. AJ Green, Jordy Nelson. Jordy Nelson's 31. Are going to be 31 this year. Then give me AJ Green.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, so he says there's special scoring. Let's deal with that first. Because he says in the other parts he gets bonuses for 300 yards, 400 and 500 for QBs, six points per passing, touchdown bonuses for 100 yards or 200 yards for the, you know, positional players. Does that factor into you guys at all in any consideration?

[Mike Wright]

It depends on the bonus scoring quarterback one does.

[Jason Moore]

That's the one that I consider a little bit because there are certain guys that are just locked in for 300 plus yards that push that envelope. You know, Big Ben and Luck. To me, they push those. And obviously the league leaders in, you know, a breeze and those type of guys versus Russell Wilson. Right. Who doesn't really hit those thresholds very often.

[Mike Wright]

I would say we have a bonus in our, in our league of record we have the two point bonus for the 40 plus yard touchdown. I mean those types of things and they don't really factor in. If it's only a point or two, I won't get too carried away with it, letting it impact my decision.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, me too. I pretty much.

[Mike Wright]

It just makes the game.

[Andy Holloway]

It makes it more fun.

[Jason Moore]

Let me add one thing to this. One of the things I don't like about that trade is the fact that you would then lock yourself into picking iford at the sixth pick in the draft. That just doesn't seem like a good place to put yourself in. Not knowing what the other keepers are. You'd be kind of thinking, okay, I don't want to lose him, so I'm just going to draft him here. I just feel like you might have better options. Obviously, we're a little lower on ifrt. We don't dislike him, but we think.

[Andy Holloway]

I wouldn't spend my. I can pretty much say, no matter who's on the board. I mean, not no matter, but given this situation, I'm not picking Tyler. I fort with my sixth pick there in almost any situation, that's basically his.

[Jason Moore]

First pick in the draft. He'd be trading Green for that second pick, but his first pick was gonna.

[Andy Holloway]

Be let Eifert be grabbed by someone else or grab him later if you can. All right, so accessory well, we didn't answer, so we got to keep three of Jamal Charles, Lamar Miller, Doug Martin, AJ Green, Jordy Nelson.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, okay. So Charles and Green are locked in for me and. And my third Martin. My third was between Miller and Martin. I think I would take Miller and.

[Andy Holloway]

I would lean with Andy and go Doug Martin here.

[Jason Moore]

Wouldn't you argue that Martin's safer with the Charles variable? And so you wouldn't want, like, two Lamar Miller new system, Jamal Charles maybe coming back from the injury, you just have one less risk.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know if it's definitely safer. I mean, Lamar Miller has honestly never really had a bad year.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. But anytime you change teams, look, he could ascend and be incredible this year, or he could, you know, maybe he.

[Jason Moore]

Ends up like Doug Martin.

[Andy Holloway]

Right? Yeah. So I would. I would rather go Doug Martin.

[Mike Wright]

Which Doug Martin? You have a 50% chance.

[Jason Moore]

Last year's rookie. All right, so there you go. There's the opinions, basically, you know, that Charles locked in, Green's locked in, and you can. You can side with your favorite footballer there. All right, this is either Caesar or Cesare or in Baltimore or Cesare or Cesar.

[Mike Wright]

We apologize.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, well, I believe it is.

[Andy Holloway]

Cesair.

[Jason Moore]

I'm pretty confident I'm already keeping AP and Brandon cooks because of my flex Options. You can pick up to four wide receivers or four wide receivers in two tight ends, please.

[Mike Wright]

I believe you meant running backs.

[Jason Moore]

You said four wide receivers and four running backs or two tight ends. Please choose one more player. Choices are Woodhead, Carlos Williams, Delaney Walker, Travis Kelsey, Larry Fitzgerald, Kamar Aiken, Willie Snead or Dorial Green Beckham. You guys are the. Hold on. This is the most important part. Oh, you guys are the absolute best. No contest made two championships last season. One one with the help of your analysis. I could have won both if it wasn't against both cousins and Rule 86 in the final week. Yeah, I mean I've heard that. Oof.

[Mike Wright]

Full point ppr, man. So Green Beckham has the highest ceiling.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't.

[Mike Wright]

Ceiling.

[Jason Moore]

I don't agree with that.

[Andy Holloway]

In a full point ppr, I think Willie Snead is going to guarantee out produce Green Beckham. You're saying that because of touchdown potential.

[Jason Moore]

But how is Larry Fitzgerald not being considered after 109 receptions in a full point PPR?

[Andy Holloway]

I think because of the way he regressed in the. In. In last year. 109.

[Jason Moore]

That was like nine.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. No, that's actually very fair.

[Jason Moore]

That's my pick as a ppr. That's my pick. My full ppr. For sure.

[Andy Holloway]

It's ironic because my pick is none of the guys we have mentioned. My pick would be Danny Woodhead.

[Mike Wright]

Woodhead.

[Andy Holloway]

I think in a full point PPR he is the last two healthy years in a full point ppr. He's a running back one.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I was. I was looking between Green Beckham and Woodhead. But I'm going to throw Fitzgerald into the conversation just because of the ppr. I don't think you're going to get a Larry Fitzgerald who was a kind of like a touchdown machine the first half of the year. I think you get more of the second half, which is the possession type of guy.

[Jason Moore]

You know what?

[Mike Wright]

No, I'm going Danny Woodhead.

[Jason Moore]

That's fine.

[Mike Wright]

I'm flipping to Wood.

[Jason Moore]

I don't mind that at all. I'm going to lean, Larry. I think 90 receptions is pretty locked in.

[Andy Holloway]

You gave him 94.

[Jason Moore]

There you go. I'm glad that you couldn't disprove me horribly by looking at my stats. So right around there definitely have them coming down. All right, so that does it for the mailbag on today's show. We will be back on Thursday. We will hit nine through 16 and then maybe throwing a little extra sauce at the end.

[Mike Wright]

That's, you know, generous of you, you.

[Jason Moore]

Know, probably need to, we'll probably still need to talk about like Doug Baldwin and I don't know where he is.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think he is in the top 16. I've done my best to push him up there, but.

[Jason Moore]

And a reminder for everybody on the website, the fancy footballers.com you can go on there. And we will be publishing our early rankings, these ones we're talking about in their entirety within the month of April.

[Mike Wright]

Very nice.

[Jason Moore]

They will be up. Very nice within the month of April in their entirety. Probably some changes. I will also say this if you are a fan of fantasy football, okay, so those of you out there that are a fan of fantasy football made.

[Andy Holloway]

It to this point in the show.

[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So stay tuned all season long. Guys, do you have any, any other parting words that aren't Doug Baldwin related?

[Mike Wright]

I. I've got one that is. Now that we're through the mushy thank yous, on to important stuff. Stuff like the show after the show where I will be defending peanut butter and honey against peanut butter and jelly.

[Jason Moore]

You don't want to miss that. Only on YouTube. Check it out.

[Andy Holloway]

Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com and follow us on Twitter the FFballers. Doug B.