Fantasy Football Podcast 2016 - Explain Yo'self! + Fantasy News, #FootClan Mailbag

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary Episode: Explain Yo'self! + Fantasy News, #FootClan Mailbag
Release Date: May 31, 2016
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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1. Introduction and Podcast Highlights

The episode kicks off with the hosts briefly discussing their sponsorship by Fantasy Jocks, promoting live draft boards and championship belts. Transitioning into the main content, the trio introduces the episode's primary theme: "Explain Yo'self!"—a segment dedicated to addressing and clarifying discrepancies in their fantasy football player rankings.

2. Podcast Awards and Listener Appreciation

Timestamp: [03:48] – [05:17]

Andy Holloway expresses immense gratitude towards their listeners for supporting the show through Podcast Awards. He shares enthusiasm about the community's participation, noting:

"I am blown away with the listeners in the Foot Clan. The response, the amount of people voting, I am genuinely shocked, humbled, amazed."
– Andy Holloway [04:22]

Jason and Mike join in, highlighting the incentives for listeners, such as a signed Le'Veon Bell jersey and other rewards for voting and sharing their support on social media with the hashtag #FootClan vote.

3. Player News and Updates

Timestamp: [05:48] – [13:09]

• Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Jets: The hosts discuss reports of Ryan Fitzpatrick potentially re-signing with the New York Jets on a three-year, $24 million deal. While Andy views the offer as reasonable, Mike considers it insulting, suggesting Fitzpatrick deserves more given his performance:

  "I think it should be like a 12 million. 8 million, 8 million. I don't have a problem with the jets..."
  – Jason Moore [06:40]

• Jameis Winston's Improvement: Jameis Winston is climbing draft boards due to his offseason dedication and physical improvements. The hosts compare Winston’s situation to Marcus Mariota’s, debating their potential reliance on the passing game.

• DeMarco Murray's Role with the Titans: Reports indicate DeMarco Murray will handle the majority of carries for the Tennessee Titans, despite drafting Derek Henry. Mike notes:

  "I think he's going to score touchdowns and they will be valuable for fantasy."
  – Mike Wright [10:15]

• Detroit Lions' Player Updates: Eric Ebron is sitting out OTAs with an undisclosed injury, while Amir Abdullah is recovering from shoulder surgery and expected to return in September.

• Carson Wentz vs. Sam Bradford: A quote from Matt Lombardo highlights Carson Wentz's superior grasp of the playbook compared to Sam Bradford:

  "Have a better handle of the playbook than Sammy Biscuits."
  – Matt Lombardo, NJ Advanced Media [13:03]

4. Rankings Discrepancies Explained

Timestamp: [17:35] – [34:57]

a. Torrey Smith

Torrey Smith’s ranking (41 for Andy, 49 for Jason, and 53 for Mike) sparks a debate. Mike argues for his potential increase due to a significant rise in target volume with the Philadelphia Eagles' offensive changes:

"They're going to increase by at least 200 targets. Torrey Smith is going to be the number one wide receiver on that team."
– Mike Wright [19:20]

Jason contemplates slightly bumping Smith’s rank based on total targets, while Andy remains hesitant, emphasizing the uncertainty surrounding Smith’s role and the Eagles' offensive dynamics.

b. Matthew Stafford

Andy defends Matthew Stafford’s high ranking (9) against Jason and Mike’s lower placements, highlighting Stafford's improved second-half performance last season:

"I think he can be a top 12 quarterback."
– Andy Holloway [24:48]

Jason acknowledges a slight adjustment, moving Stafford from 23rd to 22nd in his rankings, while Mike shares his own progression, moving Stafford up to 17th.

c. Austin Safari and Austin Jenkins (ASJ)

ASJ’s tight end ranking (21 for Andy, 22 for Mike, and varying positions for Jason) leads to a heated discussion. Jason supports ASJ’s upside as a red zone target with Jameis Winston, whereas Mike remains skeptical due to concerns about consistency and the depth behind ASJ.

d. Duke Johnson

Duke Johnson is ranked differently across the hosts (19 for Andy, lower for Jason and Mike), with Andy advocating for his rise based on improved opportunity and coaching:

"Matt Jones has the highest floor and the highest ceiling to me."
– Jason Moore [57:27]

Mike emphasizes Duke's pass-catching abilities but remains cautious about his durability and workload consistency.

e. Will Tye

Will Tye’s emergence as the Giants’ primary tight end is analyzed. Mike and Jason discuss his potential, with Andy considering his reliability based on Eli Manning’s usage patterns:

"I think he could be very solid and I think he will do enough to be a Tight end one by the end of the year."
– Mike Wright [43:08]

5. Listener Mailbag and Q&A

Timestamp: [53:58] – [67:15]

a. Tyrod Taylor in Two Quarterback Leagues

A listener asks about Tyrod Taylor’s value in two-quarterback leagues. Andy appreciates Taylor’s upside but remains cautious about his consistency. Jason supports Taylor’s potential based on the Buffalo Bills' offensive outlook, while Mike recommends pairing him with a safer quarterback option like Ryan Fitzpatrick.

b. Running Back vs. Wide Receiver Draft Strategy

Listeners inquire about the strategy of drafting two RB2s over wide receivers. Andy and Jason reaffirm their commitment to securing running backs early due to position scarcity, while Mike emphasizes the importance of upper-tier wide receivers like Julio Jones and Antonio Brown but still favors running backs in the early rounds.

c. Mid-Round Wide Receiver Sleepers

For mid-round wide receiver sleepers with top-five potential, Andy suggests Doug Baldwin and Kevin White, considering their offensive roles and opportunities. Mike mentions Dante Moncrief and Ty Hilton as potential breakout candidates under the right circumstances, while Jason points to Josh Gordon and Golden Tate as late-round high-upside options.

6. Final Remarks and Show Promotion

The episode wraps up with the hosts encouraging listeners to support the show through Podcast Awards, subscribe to their YouTube channel, and engage with them on various social media platforms. They tease upcoming content, including a Game of Thrones recap and the addition of Jake Seeley from Ultimate Draft Kit as a guest in future episodes.

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Notable Quotes:

• Mike Wright on Ryan Fitzpatrick's Deal:

  "That to me is extremely insulting and I would not accept that deal if I were Ryan Fitzpatrick either."
  – Mike Wright [06:37]

• Andy Holloway on Matthew Stafford:

  "I think you have a vulnerable enough division defensively to... I think he can be a top 12 quarterback."
  – Andy Holloway [26:22]

• Jason Moore on ASJ’s Potential:

  "Austin Safari and Jenkins has the chance here to actually put up a great year and become a key red zone cog for Jameis Winston."
  – Jason Moore [30:25]

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This episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast delves deep into player rankings, offering listeners nuanced insights and fostering an engaging dialogue about fantasy football strategies. The "Explain Yo'self!" segment highlights the importance of understanding differing opinions in fantasy rankings, while the mailbag segment addresses real-time listener concerns, making the show both informative and interactive.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my goodness. Jason is holding up.

[Jason Moore]

Should we have him change that to Jason the champion more where in the beginning intro?

[Andy Holloway]

Nope.

[Jason Moore]

No. Well, the championship belt should do for me.

[Andy Holloway]

I feel you already took one of those home and you have another one on your shoulder.

[Mike Wright]

You need to do this whole show as Macho Man.

[Jason Moore]

Ooh.

[Andy Holloway]

There's a saying that they have in the NFL that the experienced veterans say, and they say, you know, act like you've been there before.

[Mike Wright]

That's what boring people say.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And then there's some people that just want to flaunted around.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Well, Jason's wearing belts. Wearing a championship belt today, which I.

[Jason Moore]

Did get from Fantasy Jocks.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, you did.

[Mike Wright]

That's something that, like, people who cannot dance say, I couldn't.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll be honest with you. I was familiar with Fantasy Jocks before they ever sponsored the show. And I could. I couldn't appreciate the belt until I saw it with my eyeballs till it arrived. It is so big and like heavy and metal and amazing.

[Jason Moore]

I wear it around my house. I have my wife sew large belt loops on all my pants so that.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

Where this is a normal belt.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's get into it, guys. The Fantasy Footballers Podcast back again. Tuesday, May 31, 2016. Oh, it is a fun time of year.

[Jason Moore]

We are.

[Andy Holloway]

We are almost into June or June 1st.

[Mike Wright]

Getting there.

[Andy Holloway]

June 1st is tomorrow. If you're listening to this on Tuesday and tomorrow, we've got the draft kit.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, this is. If you're listening today, this is the last day that you can pre order and save on the ultimate draft kit. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So it comes out tomorrow, which is exciting. And the one question we've had a lot, and I think it's my Own fault for not putting it on the website. Better is, will this thing update? People are afraid they're gonna like, get the draft kit and then it's just gonna be stagnant for. No, it's gonna update.

[Jason Moore]

This is not 1990.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you go buy a magazine if you want 1990, but we're gonna update it all of the time. Today's show, we've got a fun one we have. It's basically dubbed Explain yourself.

[Jason Moore]

Explain yourself.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly. I didn't say it like that because you can only do that, but explain yourself. There are some inconsistencies in our rankings, which is normal and good. Right. I would say we're different people.

[Mike Wright]

More like disagreements, not an inconsistency.

[Andy Holloway]

You are right that it is. It is a difference of opinion.

[Mike Wright]

Correct.

[Andy Holloway]

And so we're going to put each other on the spot for a couple of guys in our rankings and make each other explain yourself. All right. Are you prepared?

[Jason Moore]

I am.

[Mike Wright]

Except now all I can think about is express yourself.

[Jason Moore]

Really? Cuz see, what I think of is I go to. No, not that. I go to treat yourself. Oh, you don't know.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know. Treat yourself.

[Andy Holloway]

Should I know that?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, you're not there yet, are you?

[Andy Holloway]

No, I am the treat yourself part of Parks and Recreation.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, sir.

[Andy Holloway]

That was. Joe's there. Yeah, that was really fun.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not there.

[Andy Holloway]

Forget. All right, what else is going on? As if that wasn't enough, we have the Podcast Awards and I cannot express this enough. I am blown away with the listeners in the Foot Clan. The response, the amount of people voting, I am genuinely shocked, humbled, amazed. It is so rewarding to have so many listeners that enjoy this show because what's happening is people are going to podcast awards.com and they're voting for us and then they're. They're sending their screenshot on Twitter with the hashtag Foot Clan vote like you're supposed to do. And that gives you.

[Jason Moore]

They're setting timers on their phone so they can do it every day.

[Andy Holloway]

But what has been cool is a lot of people post those images and then they're like, thank you for making my job 10 times better or thank you for making my commute or my bike ride or my lawn mowing time that much more fun. And it's super rewarding. And we can't thank you enough for supporting this show when you do post it.

[Jason Moore]

If you, if you're not aware, use the hashtag Foot Clan vote when you say that you have voted and shows that you do, because we are giving away a signed Le'Veon Bell jersey to.

[Mike Wright]

Somebody at random, reluctantly, because I tried to keep it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that is true. And our first spot in the 2016 Listener League. Big deals. Also, if you didn't know, make sure you actually click the. Confirm the vote on the email otherwise.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep. So. And you can vote every day for the next two weeks, basically until June.

[Mike Wright]

4Th for best sports and People's Choice are in both categories.

[Jason Moore]

Two times.

[Andy Holloway]

Two times. So also check out the website, the fantasy footballers.com you can visit us on Twitter @the ffballers. We love interacting on Twitter, YouTube, on the fantasy Sports Network, on Facebook, etc, etc. There's so many places to be and we're at all of them. So I think I'm gonna jump right into the news, guys, because I want to get to this explain yourself section. Everybody okay with that? Any. Any other headline news?

[Jason Moore]

Let's. Let's hear what. Let's hear what the headline news is. News and notes from around the league.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I thought I kind of meant like in your lives, you know, if there's anything going on in your lives that you needed to share.

[Mike Wright]

Not more important than this hot jets news.

[Andy Holloway]

I also thought Jason was going to take the belt off and set it on the ground after the intro. Oh, no. But he has put it on like a belt holding up his pants.

[Mike Wright]

It got tighter.

[Jason Moore]

This will stay here for life.

[Andy Holloway]

I would doubt that from anybody but you, but you will probably do that. All right, let's talk about the guy I knew was going to sign that is probably going to sign. That might sign Ryan Fitzpatrick.

[Mike Wright]

He still has not signed.

[Andy Holloway]

I know, but there are reports that the jets have offered him a $24 million deal over three years, which I personally think isn't that bad. Mike thinks it's an insult.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason I think agrees with me.

[Jason Moore]

I'm in the middle. I think it should be like a 12 million. 8 million, 8 million. I don't have a problem with the jets saying, look, we'll give you one year of starter money. You're old. Then take backup money. But at the same time, he's probably going to lead them to be a good team. If he resigns, he's going big deal to this team and he's a big.

[Andy Holloway]

Deal to fantasy potentially.

[Jason Moore]

When I look at the Jets, I think, look, with Ryan Fitzpatrick, they are a playoff contender. Without him, they're not. I don't think they're even that good. And is this really what the world has come to, where. Where a Team is changed so much by Ryan Fitzpatrick.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. Because you have all the pieces around him. You have Decker, you have Marshall, you have a good defense, you have a good coach. You have a lot of the situations that were in Arizona when Carson Palmer went down. The. The world was over. And it will be over with Geno Smith and it will be over for Decker and Marshall. From a consistency standpoint, Fitzpatrick. But don't worry, he's coming back.

[Mike Wright]

He's not that old. I mean, he'll be turning 34 this year. That is. That is not old to. To offer a man who threw for almost 4,000 yards and 31 touchdowns and you came within half a game of the playoffs to offer him starter money and not even great starter money for one year and then say, okay, you'll probably be our backup. That to me is extremely insulting and I would not accept that deal if I were Ryan Fitzpatrick either.

[Andy Holloway]

So we'll see what happens. Let's talk about Jameis Winston. He is climbing up many a draft board spelt and he shed 18 pounds getting svelte. Says he wants to avoid his sophomore slump. Jameis Winston, where is he right now on all of our rankings? I believe that up there.

[Mike Wright]

I believe he's a quarterback one for me, I am very a quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

What that was.

[Mike Wright]

I'm playing. I'm playing injured today, man. I don't know if you can hear it in the voice. It's pretty raspy. It's going out on me. I'm doing my best over here.

[Andy Holloway]

So I got him at 16, Jason has him at 11, Mike has him at 10.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, Jason.

[Jason Moore]

What? I've been a Winston believer this entire off season. I think that when you've got a guy who did what he did in his rookie year with the problems he had with his weapons, with Vincent Jackson going down, Austin Safarian, Jenkins going down, and now you take a step forward into an offseason program where you see, oh, he is dedicated and he's working on his craft. He cares about his body. The, the offensive coordinator now has taken over the head coaching role. It just seems like some things are lined up for him to at least not regress and maybe take a small step forward. If he takes a small step forward, he should be near, you know, the low end quarterback one.

[Andy Holloway]

I will say that I think his situation is very similar to Mariota's. I. People might not agree, but I think I would.

[Mike Wright]

I would strongly disagree.

[Andy Holloway]

That is fine. And what I mean by that is this. And maybe you'll agree with this small Part of my argument is that both teams could be very run dependent. They could both lean on the run a lot. I'm curious to see if Winston has somebody to throw to other than Mike Evans. That's a question that needs to be answered. Mariota, how often are they going to let these guys throw the ball? That's the question for me. That's why they're ranked pretty close in my rankings. I think that they're both in a situation where if the training wheels came off, if they became passing offenses, which I think I agree with you, Winston has a higher probability of that because of dirt cutter. But that's. That's how I see those. And speaking of the Titans, the report right now out of Titans campus that DeMarco Murray is going to handle the majority of the carries. They obviously, you know, they drafted Derek Henry. Do you agree with this? Do you think Murray will be a volume play?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, I do. I am. As time moves on, I'm rising more on Murray. From a value standpoint. I don't necessarily believe that he's going to be anywhere close to a running back one, but I we saw it with Jeremy Hill. We've seen it with just bad guys in bad situations on offenses that are not putting up a lot of points. If they're a running back that's going to get 225 carries or so, they're going to score touchdowns and they will be valuable for fantasy. I think the big difference of opinion for fantasy right now is will he get around the 225 or will he barely make it to 200, which doesn't sound like a huge difference. But overall for fantasy that's a pretty big gap right there.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me throw this out there. There are two of us that have Matt Jones ranked ahead of DeMarco Murray as of today.

[Jason Moore]

Nice, I assume.

[Mike Wright]

I certainly hope that I am not one of them.

[Jason Moore]

I hope that I am one of them.

[Andy Holloway]

You are not the one.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, mine are pretty much 15, 18 in standard.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'm not a believer in DeMarco this year. I do think that he will get the bulk of the work up front. But Derek Henry, they didn't draft him to sit him. They didn't draft him where they drafted him to not use him. And if he turns out to be able to do Anything or if DeMarco Murray turns out to show the legs that he showed last year, either of those things happen and all of a sudden the workload gets cut into a little bit. I just don't think the ceiling is super high in an offense that I don't trust for a head coach. I don't trust now. I don't. I'm not really throwing trust into Matt Jones, but I could see the path for Matt Jones to take over young, over. Over old.

[Mike Wright]

And before it's like, whoa, you know, Mike loves Murray. That's not what I'm saying. Just saying that he could become a value in drafts. So do. Do not reach for Murray by any means, but if he falls to you in a. In a good spot, don't be afraid to take him.

[Andy Holloway]

Pete Carroll came out and talked about Jimmy Graham being ready for week one. I will get into it in the mailbag. There's a question about Jimmy Graham in the mailbag, so I'll save it for that. Okay. The Lions camp. Couple quick bits of news. Eric Ebron is sitting out of OTAs with an undisclosed injury. Just monitor that he's one of our guys, that we kind of like making a step forward this year, or at least myself and Jason do. I don't know if Mike really does. Jim Caldwell also said Amir Abdullah was recovering nicely from a shoulder surgery. He needs to.

[Mike Wright]

It happened in January.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

And when did Caldwell turn into John? Fox here with the injury updates was like, he's got an undisclosed. We don't need to talk about it.

[Andy Holloway]

From what I understand about this surgery and the recovery, they expect Abdullah to be ready. His arm should be prepared and ready to fumble again starting in September.

[Mike Wright]

Abdullah's. I don't even understand why he fumbles so much. Have you seen those guns? They're ridiculous.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, that don't matter, APs. I mean, AP is a fumble maniac, too. Yeah, well, all right, let's go. This is an interesting tidbit that Mike threw into the back of the news here. The New Jersey Advanced Media's Matt Lombardo reports number two overall pick Carson Wentz. Quote seems to, which is such a great preseason phrase, have a better handle of the playbook than Sammy Biscuits.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, you know, it's a new playbook for both guys. One guy was coming in expecting, hey, I'm going to the NFL. I got to learn something I'm ready to learn. The other guy pouted for a couple weeks and said, I'm not going to look at your playbook.

[Andy Holloway]

Is that what he said?

[Jason Moore]

That's what he said.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, that was a quote?

[Jason Moore]

That was. Yeah, Direct. I was actually. I just played the audio.

[Andy Holloway]

Play it again, would you? Would you play that again?

[Jason Moore]

I'm not gonna look at a playbook.

[Mike Wright]

Why does he sound like Jim Gaffigan?

[Jason Moore]

I'm not sure. Maybe it's Bradford's lazy. I don't know. I'm sorry.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's talk about the running backs in Philly. Let's talk about Wendell Smallwood for a second. Reported to be the, quote, key to the running back situation. I'm not sure what it means to be the key of a running back situation, but I do believe somebody has to carry the ball. And we talked about Ryan Matthews on the show. It's him and Smallwood right now and somebody to be named later.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. In the reason why I just wanted to mention sprawls is because, like we talked about this, I think a couple weeks ago, the Wendell Smallwood hype is going to grow. It is going to become a deafening noise. I feel it will be just shattering windows by the time draft season rolls out.

[Andy Holloway]

I believe he is. Go ahead.

[Mike Wright]

I say people are going to reach for Wendell Smallwood instead of taking him as a normal handcuff. Personally, I think that Ryan Matthews is an extremely talented running back, more than capable of being the guy for Doug Peterson. I know that injuries are a concern, so I'm not saying I wouldn't want Smallwood on my team to be a kind of a higher level handcuff, a higher volume handcuff.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, would you say a regular handcuff or is he more of a handcuffs?

[Mike Wright]

That's a very good question because I don't know. For Smallwood, I think the volume would be there. I'm just not sure if he.

[Andy Holloway]

I am not going to. I'm not going to make a prediction on that because I don't believe they go into the season with these two.

[Jason Moore]

Guys, which means he's just a handcuff. One of the things that we saw.

[Andy Holloway]

He'S the same size as Jamal Charles. He's not.

[Jason Moore]

He's a little smaller than Jamal, but.

[Andy Holloway]

He'S the same height.

[Jason Moore]

He's five feet.

[Andy Holloway]

He's the same weight.

[Jason Moore]

I think Wendell Smallwood, he gets a knock for being small. I think a lot because of his name, which is.

[Mike Wright]

Which is unfortunate.

[Jason Moore]

True. But he's. I think he's 5 10, 5 11.

[Andy Holloway]

2. Oh, 1. 5 11. 201.

[Mike Wright]

That's not bad.

[Andy Holloway]

Guess how big Jamal Charles is. 5 11.

[Mike Wright]

And Jamal Charles looks like.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know why they didn't give me his weight because he weighs like 150, 199. So Wendell Smallwood is the same height and two pounds heavier than Jamal Charles.

[Jason Moore]

You heard it here. Wendell Small Smallwood is Jamal Charles physically.

[Andy Holloway]

People who want to say that Small was just a scat back, I'm just saying he could. He could take it between the tackles as much as Jamal Charles.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I doubt that. But the point here that I wanted to make is that last year there were so many handcuffs that were just the wrong guys. And really, over the last few years, we've had situations where it's like, okay, the guy goes down, and so everybody rushes out to get Nile Davis, and it's not even Niall Davis. You know, people rush out to get CJ Spiller, and it's Tim Hightower. And so when you've got a situation here. Now, now, I think the reason that the hype train comes is because there's really nobody else. I mean, if it's. If there's only one guy, go ahead and take Ryan Matthews Doubt as well.

[Mike Wright]

Which I understand the injury doubt completely.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

But I'm just saying, I. Wendell Smallwood is one of these guys that you watch out, watch out with. The hype train gets rolling.

[Jason Moore]

You know, I'm going to go. I have not watched a ton of tape on Wendell Smallwood in a long time. I'm going to go and do that, and I'm going to tweet out my opinion on him because I want to see. I think the opportunity he has is above average, and I like opportunity. I'm not sold on his talent, but I need to take another look.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, well, let's. Let's move on.

[Jason Moore]

I'm quite well, thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

No, clearly you are not. No rational person would do as you have done. Explain yourself. It's time.

[Mike Wright]

It's time to break bad.

[Andy Holloway]

It's time to explain yourself. Mike, we're starting with you. Me? Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm gonna make you explain yourself. I'm picking one of your players here. I'm looking at our rankings, and we're looking at half point leagues. This guy is our consensus 41, and that's because of Jason and I yanking him down the rankings. He's 49 for me. He's 53 for Jason.

[Jason Moore]

I did not realize he was that low. I thought I was high.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't worry about it. You're okay. You're with good company.

[Jason Moore]

No, I looked at his stats again today just to make sure that I like them. And I. And I liked where I had them.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly. So do I. And. Oh, he's 21. 20.

[Mike Wright]

I know where we're going here.

[Andy Holloway]

This is Torrey Smith.

[Mike Wright]

This is Torrey Smith.

[Andy Holloway]

So sing me the song of Torrey Smith. Mike, sing it hard, sing it long. All right, well, explain yourself.

[Mike Wright]

I, I am more than willing to explain myself. Here's the deal with Torrey Smith. It is a matter of targets. I am a mathematical man, my friends, and last year San Francisco had 525 attempts, okay? Tori Smith got 62 targets from there. Now, the last two years, Chip Kelly up in Philadelphia has averaged, averaged 616 attempts. That is a difference, my friends, of 91 passes compared to San Francisco.

[Jason Moore]

Very big difference.

[Mike Wright]

That's a big target increase. If we just do that. Oh, let me throw this part in. Anquan Bolden and Vernon Davis accounted for 141 targets last year. They are gone. That is a raw difference of 232 targets to increase. We're talking they're going to increase by at least 200 targets. Torrey Smith is going to be the number one wide receiver on that team. He will likely be the number one passing option on that team. We've already seen him. We've seen what his talent can do. He's had a double digit touchdown season. He's had a plus thousand yards season. So we know that the ability is there now. The opportunity will match that. It doesn't matter to me that if it's Blaine Gabbard or Colin Kaepernick throwing the ball because Chip Kelly teams have Never had under 4,000 passing yards. He has taken Nick Foles, he has taken but fumble Mark Sanchez and he's. Sanchez didn't have 4,000, but he had half of the 4,000. So it's just the yardage speaks to me that it will be there and the passing attempts will be there. So I just, I don't see any way that Torrey Smith doesn't produce some serious fantasy value.

[Andy Holloway]

So this is a guy who on 425 attempts in San Francisco last year had 33 receptions. It's hard for me, obviously to jump in on Torrey Smith, but you bring up Some very good points. 233, two extra targets. What happens if Bolden gets resigned in San Francisco? Does this change if you have him ranked?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, he'll, he would move down absolutely, if Bolden was there, because Bolden's a possession type guy. But I would still have Smith probably in that, in that upper three range because I think that he can produce in. Chip Kelly values speed and that's what Tory Smith has in boatloads. So I just, I think it's there.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I have, I think I doubled Tory Smith's Numbers from last year or close to. It worked out that way. And that leaves him very, very low because he was so irrelevant last year. I think the reality that he is the guy there and that that offense is going to be more productive at the very least, even if the team is not good. Those two things are true. But I have a hard time when you look at, okay, what he's done at Philly. Well, in Philly, he had desean Jackson and Jeremy Macklin and Jordan Matthews. He had weapons that helped him get to those 4,000 yards. I'm not convinced entirely that that means just because he's always had 4,000 that he'll be able. He's just capable of producing yards.

[Mike Wright]

Is desean Jackson tremendously better than Torrey Smith?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I don't know that he's tremendously better, but the cast that was around him when desean Jackson was there was tremendous.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me ask you, better are you concerned with. I mean, San Francisco could. Could be one of the worst teams in the league, plays in a division with Seattle, Arizona and the Rams, who have. All have good defenses.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And that is. I understand the concern there. The concern would be that they are always losing and always passing the ball. Okay, garbage time counts, my friends.

[Jason Moore]

Here's how Jacksonville, here's the beautiful thing about Torrey Smith, though, is that people, because of his last year, I mean, he's free. He's as far as what he's going to cost you to draft. Mike's not going to take him as the 21st wide receiver off the board. He's going to look at the ultimate draft kit and see his ADP when he goes to draft and go, oh, I'm just going to grab him at the very end of my draft. And if you're right on his upside, it's a worthy pick.

[Andy Holloway]

So here's how we're ending your attempt to explain yourself. I'm going to ask this question or you're going to ask it to me. Have you made myself or Jason change our ranking? Have you convinced us to make an adjustment to our ranking? Because right now we're at 49 and 51 or 53, I think if you.

[Mike Wright]

Ask me that question, that's not something I could.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I mean, that's the question that we need to ask and ask yourself. So, Jason, are you going to change your ranking based on that explanation?

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to take a look at the total targets, and I might bump Tory Smith up just a hair because I think 53 is probably low. He's still the number one on his team.

[Andy Holloway]

And I will say this compelling argument. I'm not going to change him in my rankings because I went through Torey Smith very recently.

[Mike Wright]

That's a lose.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a lie.

[Jason Moore]

All right, all right. So, Andy, let's. Let's make you defend yourself here a little bit.

[Mike Wright]

Put the spotlight on him.

[Jason Moore]

We'll put it over to you and we'll bring up a guy who Mike and I have as the 23rd ranked guy and the 17th ranked guy at quarterback. And you have him up at number nine. You've got him top 10. And that is Matthew Stafford. Explain yourself.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, I can do that. Matthew Stafford is. Is very interesting because we've talked about him on this show before. You guys, I believe, did this to me a couple of months ago, pretty much weekly splain.

[Jason Moore]

Your Matt Stafford.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. You at least came at me. It seemed like last week we had moved ourselves to the point where both acknowledging all his finer points, but clearly not to the point of moving him up in your rankings. And so that's really what we're talking about here. And the story with Matthew Stafford is that he had a very. He's not just a good quarterback. He didn't have a down.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, he's a good quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

He's a good fantasy quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

He's a good fantasy quarterback. Last year we had all of the horrible ramifications from a terrible start. Fantasy. And in, in reality, I mean, for the Lions, Matthew Stafford had a bad beginning of the year, namely with interceptions. He ended the year with, what was it, 32 touchdowns, 4,200 yards, a 67% completion rating and a 97 passer rating. And this was not Calvin Johnson dominating every target last year. This was Matthew Stafford making adjustments the second half of the season. Once Jim Bob Cooter, the offensive coordinator changeover happened. His second half season pace was 38 touchdowns, 4,400 yards and four picks. It's just numbers. It's just numbers. In Stafford, you mix those numbers as opposed to. Okay, let's say you look at Blake Bortles and Bortles had a good season. Well, the track record for Blake Bortles in fantasy is shorter and smaller than Matthew Stafford. And I'm not elevating Matthew Stafford onto a pedestal above all others, I believe. What'd you say? He's nine for me right now.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

So Matthew Stafford is nine. I'm very comfortable with that. Let me see, let me see here. Yeah, Nine. Okay. So I have him one behind Eli Manning and right ahead of Big Ben and Blake Bortles. So I'm very comfortable with that. And the other thing about it is I like Ebron and Marvin Jones as red zone weapons to fill in for Calvin Johnson. Nobody is Calvin Johnson, but this team's best.

[Mike Wright]

Calvin Johnson is Calvin Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, you're right.

[Jason Moore]

Thanks.

[Andy Holloway]

But nobody else. Thank you, Mike. Good analysis. This team is on Matt Stafford's back. This is not Calvin Johnson's team anymore. He has two passing catching running backs in Amir Abdullah and Theoretic. And so everything is on his shoulders. To me, he's 28 years old. The average age of the offense is like 25. He is the leader of the team. And to me, I think you have a vulnerable enough division defensively to. And that's all to say I think he can be a top 12 quarterback. So that, that's what I think. I think it's an optimism. I think he has weapons. I think that he has youth on his side. And I think best of all, he's a great value at quarterback late. That's, that's basically my argument for Matt Stafford. So.

[Jason Moore]

Well, he's definitely a value late. He's, he's being drafted in the, in the like the mid-20s at quarterback, which means there are plenty of guys that I would probably take him over that are going ahead of him because of how late he is. So the question is, have you swayed us at all? And Mike, what say you?

[Mike Wright]

Well, I just recently moved him up to 17, so I don't know if I can move him any higher than that. I will admit that I have not.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure you can.

[Mike Wright]

I have grown on Matt Stafford. The problem is I'm still torn now on, was it Jim Bob Cooter or was it the, the last part of the season that he played Philly, Green Bay, the Rams who had packed it in, the Saints, San Francisco and Chicago? I mean that's a perfect storm for your. You can't point to exactly what the, what the reason for success was. But I, I'm moving more in, more in, in the line to want to take a jump in on Matt Stafford this year.

[Jason Moore]

And while you were giving your spiel, Andy, I looked at my rankings, looked at my numbers and I actually did change the numbers live. Live. While it was happening, I forgot how his reception. Yeah, I changed his interception total and so he did move from my 23rd ranked quarterback to my 22nd ranked quarterback. So not really, I would say that, that I'm not sure that that qualifies as a winner.

[Andy Holloway]

I think that qualifies exactly as moving them up.

[Mike Wright]

That's a win.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

Hey, I really hope that someone ends up getting moved down.

[Jason Moore]

So you have convinced me to move him down.

[Andy Holloway]

Even better than convincing you about Matthew Stafford is questioning you on Austin Safari and Jenkins.

[Jason Moore]

Oh yeah, Mike hates Austin Sifarian Jenkins.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Mike really does hate as he doesn't like anybody with. What you said you don't like any players with kind of like three names. Is that.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, I'm all about the. The three names. But. But Safari and Jenkins, you're not a fan.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean I'm clearly.

[Mike Wright]

I don't like 30 yard games.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason has a 10. Has him at 10. Okay, then you don't like tight ends in general. Jason has him at 10, I have him at 16. Mike has him all the way at 22. Back, back behind Many, many players Eat it Jenkins like Dwayne Allen or Jord or will tie Zach Miller. Not a mini. ASJ is in a head of a lot for Mike, so.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so I will explain yourself. I will explain myself on Austin Safari and Jenkins. The best thing that I like about Austin Safari and Jenkins is his opportunity. What we saw happen last year with him was a ton of injury. How long, how long was the running joke at this show that he was.

[Andy Holloway]

Still not healthy, but not that he.

[Jason Moore]

Was healthy but not practicing. But I mean it was good.

[Mike Wright]

Those were good times.

[Jason Moore]

Healthy. And you saw that when he got back on the field. Remember how he came out of the gates last year when he was at least healthy for that first week and he went off on complete monster mode last year in just a few games that he was healthy. I believe he had five, four touchdowns in seven games. So that would be just, just from last year on a pace of about a little over nine touchdowns on the season, which would be good. But you've got Vincent Jackson a year older, Kenny Bell and Lewis Murphy. Look, here's a. Here's the thing. One of these guys, right? Vincent Jackson, Kenny Bell, Lewis Murphy, Austin Safari and Jenkins, someone is probably going to take a step forward and I'm going to go with the guy who was picked very highly for a tight end in the NFL draft because he was highly touted, a great prospect who's also coming into only his third year. Right? We say all the time rookie year for tight ends. Just ignore them. They don't do things in their rookie year and generally they don't do much in their sophomore year. But in his sophomore year on a per game basis last year I thought he was okay, so now he's coming into a third year, another year with Jameis Winston in an opportunity that is there. He's a great red zone target. So he represents a huge upside to me. When I look at the guys that are. That I'm fine with at tight end who are in the 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 20 range, you know, I'm looking for someone that I hope can just become a monster. And most of the guys there are going to be okay and I'll live with them. But Austin Safari and Jenkins has the chance here to actually put up a great year and become a key red zone cog for Jameis Winston. That's what I like about Austin Safari and Jenkins.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't, I don't really have any problem when I look at your ranks and I see, you know, you still have Eric Ebron two spots ahead of him at eight. You have iford at nine right now with the injury news. You know, right now you have ASJ ahead of Delaney Walker, which I think people would love. It would be a little bit.

[Mike Wright]

You love that.

[Jason Moore]

Love that.

[Andy Holloway]

Surprised that. But here's what I will say that the most compelling and I'm not going to move him. That's my official response. I'm not going to move him. But the most compelling part about that argument is what I saw in the field, which is that, you know, Mike Evans is not catching every touchdown, Doug Martin is not running every touchdown. And, and, and ASJ is a legitimate end zone threat. Is he Kyle Rudolph or is he something more? That is the question that I have is, you know, Rudolph became in my mind, famous for those type of games where you'd two for 21 and a touchdown. And if you got the touchdown, you were happy and if you didn't get the touchdown, you released him back to the waiver wire. And so that's the question with asg. I like, I like the opportunity and the athleticism. Can he stay healthy and will he fulfill his potential? And I. But I do not disagree with your choice of putting him there. I can see why.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, so Mike, are you moving him up from 22?

[Mike Wright]

I'll take a look, but as of now, I'm not moving him up. I will say. I mean, he certainly not. Yeah, the. You are correct, though, that the depth behind Jackson and Evans is questionable. I mean, you do have other guys there, but I mean, Kenny Bell is coming off a hamstring injury. People have pretty high hopes for him, including myself. Lewis Murphy coming off an ACL tear. I mean, Humphries And Dye. I just. There's not. They aren't the most inspiring guys. I don't think they necessarily have to be. When you have look at a team like the jets where they basically the production was. Was Decker and Marshall and I think that can happen for the Buccaneers. And I will agree with this. I think Safari and Jenkins will either be a monster or he's going to be that 30 yards. I don't think he's. There's a middle ground for Jank is. I think it's. It's all or nothing. So I just. But I'm as of now I'm not buying into but it. So we got a question here for Andy. A guy that Andy is buying into. He is buying the shares like it's like it's sour candies. I don't know. Do you like sour candies?

[Andy Holloway]

They're fine.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, well switch that.

[Andy Holloway]

He's buying like sweet Candy.

[Mike Wright]

More like their shares of Werther's Originals.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, good, good. Thank you.

[Mike Wright]

Caramel.

[Andy Holloway]

The briefs of Candy were. There's original.

[Mike Wright]

Well, yes. And that is Duke Johnson. Both Jason and I, we like Duke Johnson. We've got him in the early 30s.

[Andy Holloway]

RB3 rank.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Andy full throttle all in on Duke.

[Andy Holloway]

Johnson is number 19 in your rankings. All in.

[Mike Wright]

I'm pretty.

[Andy Holloway]

Or is that. I mean that's compared to you.

[Jason Moore]

Number 19 is a middle RB2. I mean that's a guy that you're not drafting to flex. You're drafting to start him week in, week out.

[Mike Wright]

So sell me. Sell me Duke Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

Teach us.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's. Let's travel back in time, gentlemen. Let's go far. Let's go back to last offseason. Let's go back to a 21 year old Duke Johnson because that's what he was back then. He's only 22 right now. But let's go back to when he was 21. This is a guy who the previous coaching staff saw as a three down running back and that's what he was going to be to start the year until the hamstring injury that sidelined him.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, that's weird.

[Andy Holloway]

And changed the scenario. Which I get it. You don't like him because you think he's going to be Andre Ellington. You think he's going to be the injured running back we're looking. I'm presuming some health on this 22 year old and I think that Hugh Jackson is far and away a different scenario for the running back core in Cleveland. Would we agree with that?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Oh yeah. He's a, he's a running back coach.

[Andy Holloway]

Because last year Duke Johnson was essentially the offense was a train on the job type of situation. The previous offensive coordinator was basically a first year offensive coordinator. Duke Johnson only got nine carries two times. So we don't really know the between the tackles numbers for him because yeah, he averaged 3.6. That's not great. But he barely got any opportunities being a three down back. But take that, take that away. He had 61 receptions as a rookie and he made his mark in the passing game. Now he has Hugh Jackson, somebody who's had great effect on running backs. Duke has the confidence of Jackson. Jackson said he believed, quote, the talent was extreme. When he's talking about Duke Johnson and last year. Guys, here's the problem I have with your rankings and this is what will convince you both to change it. He was the 24th running back last year. You both have him in the 30s. He finished as the 24th highest scoring fantasy running back last year.

[Jason Moore]

In what format? He's such a PPR guy. Was that PPR or was that standard?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, we'll vet. I'll bet that for you. But you're talking about a guy who if that. Okay, in that range you both have him regressing. I don't see regression for Duke Johnson at 22 year, two chance for three downs. If Isaiah Cruell doesn't pan out. Didn't spend a high draft pick in Cleveland on more running backs. I'm not drinking Kool Aid on him. He's number 19 and I wouldn't take him super high and maybe he'll be. I think he's going to be one of those guys that in some drafts, super value. In other drafts, somebody's drinking the Kool Aid and he's going in the third round. But those are. That's the argument. Did you pull up any.

[Jason Moore]

He was 34th in standard.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, yeah, yeah. In standard leagues.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

So, okay, yeah, you're taking Duke Johnson, you're throwing him into a full standard and you're trying to.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, no. I was.

[Andy Holloway]

Why didn't you give me a half or full here? I'll give you ridiculous.

[Jason Moore]

I'll give you full.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm calling horrible shenanigans on that full.

[Jason Moore]

Point PPR where he is much more valuable. He was 23rd.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, all right. So in half he was in half. He was right in that 28 range. I'm at 19. You have him at 31 or something like that. That's my argument for Duke Johnson. Opportunity plus talent improved Coaching staff. I don't see regression. I think 19 is right. I'm not projecting. 15, 14, 13. Getting into the top Danny Woodhead range. 19. I feel great.

[Mike Wright]

The reason, and I will say this, I don't hate Duke Johnson. TD only leagues I don't. He's 75th. Well, yeah, he only scored twice last year. He'd be terrible in those leagues. I don't hate Duke Johnson at all. But he had 61 receptions like you said. That's more than Giovanni Bernard has ever had in his entire career. So do I.

[Andy Holloway]

Great point.

[Mike Wright]

Do I see regression coming for Duke Johnson? With Hugh Jackson bringing his offense very, very possible, especially in the reception category. I think that he could increase because.

[Andy Holloway]

They have so many other pass catchers.

[Mike Wright]

That's. That's fair. But they didn't have him last year either.

[Jason Moore]

It's going to. A lot of. It's going to come down to the attempt.

[Mike Wright]

They had Brian Hardline, I take it back.

[Jason Moore]

It's going to come down to the attempt that, that they drop back to throw because we've seen Hugh Jackson go to teams and the amount of times that they throw the ball dip a lot and then the amount of times they run the ball go up. He's also spoke super highly of Isaiah Crowell, not just Duke Johnson. He has gushed over Crowell. So the three down back thing I don't see at all. But I do think that I probably need to bump Duke Johnson up a little bit in my PPR rankings, which I think in PPR he should be an RB2. I do buy that and I have him right now. I believe outside of that I've got him. Where is he at 27. That's too low. So I need to bump Duke Johnson up a little bit in PPR formats.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You don't like Austin Safari and Jenkins?

[Mike Wright]

No, I do not.

[Jason Moore]

You've got him 22nd, but yet at number two.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, wait. Mike didn't even get to respond to.

[Jason Moore]

Oh whether he was going to bump him up to do Johnson. I thought he did.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Mike Wright]

So I'm taking a look at my stats from. I've got him at 60 catches. So it's. I just feel stronger about the other guys who are ahead of him. I have him at 29 in PPR. So I mean, he's right on. He's right on the edge there. And I will say this. If I draft Duke Johnson and he goes on a tear for four or five weeks, I will be selling, selling high because Duke Johnson's body will Fail him and Duke Johnson will get hurt.

[Jason Moore]

He had the knock coming out of college. He was always just a little nicked up and banged up and he was a little bit last year.

[Mike Wright]

So I, and I guess maybe you're like, I don't want to predict an injury, but Duke Johnson just doesn't strike me with all of his past injury history as someone who can do it for an extended period of time if he, if he actually is going to get three down work.

[Jason Moore]

See, I tried to keep him from having to say that to you, Andy, and go on to his next player. But you wanted to, you wanted him to pour that salt, right?

[Andy Holloway]

It is my job to keep us on, you know. Yeah, we needed to hear.

[Jason Moore]

We got to stay honest. All right. Speaking of staying honest, a tight end that you have as a tight end number one, who we are not even sure is the tight end number one on his team in the National Football League is Will Ty. Explain yourself.

[Mike Wright]

The Will the Tie Fighter Will Tie.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, how much of this rating is. Because you want the nickname to be frequently used on the show.

[Mike Wright]

At least 75%.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, good.

[Mike Wright]

No, but here's the deal about Will Tye. He, he came up from the practice squad last year at the beginning of October. In his second game he Will tie was an undrafted free agent. In his second game in the NFL he went 4 for 48. You know, not bad, but not great. But that is not bad for the second performance of your career as an undrafted tight end. And then from weeks 10 through 17, he was averaging over six targets a game. He scored in three of the final four weeks and in that time period he was the number nine scoring tight end in both standard and ppr. The reports out of New York currently have Will Tighe as the favorite to be the tight end for the Giants. I am not concerned about Larry Donnell. Larry Donnell, as we talked about, looks like a high school athlete who's not used to his big body yet. He like he's gotten bigger and stronger, but he doesn't know exactly what to do with it. Will Tie is a guy who can be dominant and we've seen how much Eli Manning likes to throw to the tight end, especially in the end zone. Like the aforementioned Larry Donnell. We, we all saw him drop that 3 TD game in prime time. I think Will Tye can do that. He's not going to blow you away every single week with Gronkowski level numbers. Not at all. But I think he could be very solid and I think he will do enough to be a Tight end one by the end of the year.

[Jason Moore]

I liked Will Ty a lot coming into this offseason because of what I saw the last half of the year. I will say this. I am not moving him up in my rankings. And the reason why is because during that stretch that we saw him do well, Larry Donell was not there. He was gone. So Will Ty was it. And so he averaged six targets a game. Well, even if Will Ty is the starter, he's not the only guy anymore. So I don't think he's going to keep up that great pace he had for a very few short games when he was the only guy and still only finished ninth in that stretch. So I think that where I've got him at, I believe I'm around 17 or so is fine because he's going to, at the very least, be splitting with Done. Now that's my take. Andy, what say you?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I had done now high. I had him high.

[Jason Moore]

Ty.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm sorry. Yeah, I had. I had Ty up high in the sky.

[Mike Wright]

In the sky, eating pie.

[Jason Moore]

And.

[Andy Holloway]

And I moved him down simply to wait and see how it shakes out. I. I believe it's 50. 50 that Larry Danell makes the team. Oh, I think it. I think there's a good chance that he doesn't.

[Mike Wright]

So if Donnell does not make the.

[Andy Holloway]

Team, then Will Ty will climb back up. I don't know. If it gets a 12, it'll be in the 13, 14 rankings.

[Jason Moore]

He'll climb up my rankings as well because I, like. Wouldn't make the team. Absolutely.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I like the offense. I like Eli Manning. I like what he does in the red zone with the tight end. It's just a matter. It's hard for me right now. 12 is just too high. I think it'll be too high even if Donnell was gone because, you know, nine over the last six games. I think 13, 14 is probably as high as I'll bring them, but mine's more of a hold. Mine's more of a Hold on. Hold on a second. So.

[Mike Wright]

And it was the last seven.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, last seven games. I thought you said the last six.

[Mike Wright]

Weeks, 10 through 17.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah. Math. All right, good. All right, let's move on. Last guy here. I do want to get into the mailbag. We want to answer some listener questions, and as far as I'm concerned, we can just skip this guy altogether. But we're going to make Jason explain himself. Although I. The sad reality is that most people would probably make me and Mike explain ourselves. So Andy Dalton, the Red Rocket himself. Is this you having him high or is this us having him low?

[Jason Moore]

Where do you guys have him? I can tell you right now, Andy Dalton is the 14th quarterback taken off the board in average draft positions.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, okay.

[Jason Moore]

So I believe I do have him higher than that.

[Andy Holloway]

So we have andy Dalton at 19 and 13.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I have him 13. I'll just not.

[Andy Holloway]

This is not Mike against Jason at all.

[Jason Moore]

This is me against you, Andy. Let me see if I can convince you.

[Andy Holloway]

Convince me to bring Andy Dalton up.

[Jason Moore]

I will convince you.

[Andy Holloway]

Which I think you already did. When I had Andy Dalton at like number 24 earlier, you convinced me to bring him up. Go ahead and do it again.

[Jason Moore]

Bring him up again. I looked at his numbers today. I moved him down a little bit because of the Tyler Ifert news and I think where he's landing at spot 12 is great. We have to remember that he has been a successful fantasy quarterback on a season in a six point league. He finished as the number three back in 2013. Now let me remind you what happened last year. He was on pace. I think he was the number four quarterback before he went down in his 13th game right off in the beginning and then was out for the rest of the year with that injury in 2014, Hugh Jackson took over. Now he was the running back coach. Right. And so what happened was we were coming off Andy Dalton being this great fantasy quarterback, was the number three guy, threw over 30 touchdowns, threw over 4,000 yards, was looking great, young and up and coming. And so you go well. But then he stunk the next year, but he didn't really stink. The Bengals just stopped throwing the ball and they had over 100. You just talked about the 90, the big number of 90 plus 90 targets, plus 90 targets. That changed over 100 less passes the next year when the running back coach took over the offensive coordinator role. Go figure.

[Mike Wright]

They also AJ Green was beat up almost that whole year even though he was still okay. And there was Eifert, went down immediately. There was injuries all over the Bengals pass catching unit.

[Jason Moore]

And so we come back to 2014, it starts to level out a bit more, but they were still run heavy. And yet even then when he had the weapons, Andy Dalton was on fire and was that number four quarterback. Fast forward to this year and Hugh Jackson is out. Now you could make the argument, well, that just hurts the offense. I'm going to make the argument that I don't care whether it hurts the offense. I care how it impacts the running and the passing game and the passing attempts. Should go up. Guess who took over the offensive coordinator role. Oh, the quarterback Coaching the quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

Andy Dalton's offensive quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

Guys, we're going to pass it again.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. But the quarterback coach, Ken Zampisi, took over and so he's coming in to now show his stuff. And I see them airing the ball out just a little bit more than they did the last two years where they were a complete solely focused on the running game. And I think Andy Dalton is talented enough to capitalize on that. I love AJ Green this year I moved Andy Dalton down a little bit because he might miss Tyler if it for a couple of games. But I like Tyler Boyd who they brought in and I believe there's this guy there, Gio Bernard, that you keep talking about as well, who's great as a pass catching back.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And I looked it up and you were correct. From weeks one to 12, Andy Dalton was in, in fact the fourth, the.

[Andy Holloway]

Fourth highest he's finished a year at three before.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So you're asking me the question.

[Jason Moore]

So I'm asking you, do you think he should be back at the 17th or where do you have him?

[Andy Holloway]

I have him at 19.

[Jason Moore]

That's the 19th quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

Barely.

[Mike Wright]

Like a middle quarterback, too.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he'll come up.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

We did it. We did it. American.

[Andy Holloway]

He'll come up ahead of Tyrod Taylor for sure.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm looking at my rankings right now and I'm saying he'll come. He'll come up ahead of Tyrod Taylor and that might be it.

[Jason Moore]

See what happens. I'll bet he. I'll bet he jumps up. He'll probably be number three. It's my guess.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's what I do think. I think that the arguments for Andy Dalton aren't very different from the arguments that I made for Matthew Stafford. They both have a pedigree where they've performed well and bad in fantasy football, where they've thrown interceptions and haven't. Where they have a big weapon and they don't. Where they've dealt with some of those things. Right now I have.

[Mike Wright]

Dalton still has his big weapon.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he has one of them. He's got a hurt Tyler Ifert.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. But he's got Green, right?

[Andy Holloway]

He does, yeah. And you know, you're very high on Golden Tate.

[Mike Wright]

I wouldn't say extremely high, but yeah, I like Tate a lot. I think 100 plus catches.

[Andy Holloway]

So you be quiet for a second.

[Mike Wright]

You were asking me about Tate.

[Andy Holloway]

What I'm trying to do here is get a good old fashioned water bat between Dalton and Matt Stafford with Jason. Oh, because we have for you not.

[Jason Moore]

To do this with bj.

[Andy Holloway]

Intellectually insulting.

[Jason Moore]

Because I know that's a. That's a. That's a sign.

[Andy Holloway]

Because you have Stafford at 22 and Dalton at 12. I have Stafford at 9 and Dalton at 19.

[Jason Moore]

We can't both be right. There can only be one Thailander.

[Andy Holloway]

You ready for this?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Water bat. The truth is, with all of these explain yourself things is. I mean, we do this for a living. None of these arguments are really surprising us. We have chosen prior to this to disagree on these guys. And this is what I like. One of the things I like about this show is the fact that we aren't making your draft picks for the Foot Clan. The Foot Clan, listen to us for info, and then you take that out and you guys make the decision based on just the knowledge. We're just trying to make the game more fun and players more smarter. That's it.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, if we have disagreements, changes in our rankings that are big disparities, because that's what we did when we looked at the rankings. We said, oh, we're kind of have a disparity here. Let's talk about this on the show. That means there are some differing opinions out there as well.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

With Dalton and Stafford and ASJ and some of these guys. So there's your arguments. There's always narratives to be written. You know, we do this for a living, like Jason said, and we looked at the numbers and this is where we ended up. So hopefully those helped you out. We're gonna jump into the mailbag, answer a few listener questions right now.

[Jason Moore]

Mailbag. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Whoa.

[Mike Wright]

Wasn't sure it was gonna come out.

[Andy Holloway]

That's right.

[Jason Moore]

You're.

[Andy Holloway]

You're dealing with the voice thing. You took care of business. Good. Good luck on the Primal Scream today on show.

[Mike Wright]

After the show, you're gonna get Doom.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason to fill in.

[Mike Wright]

We might need that. Or you're gonna get Nordic Metal.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, it's a very thoughtful sound right there. I wanted to start meditating.

[Jason Moore]

Everyone, please go subscribe on YouTube for the show after the show.

[Andy Holloway]

This is Jason's new mission.

[Jason Moore]

My new mission is everybody who listens.

[Andy Holloway]

To the show on the podcast. I'll just say the goal.

[Jason Moore]

I want a hundred thousand YouTube subscribers. That's what I want. Make it happen. Foot Clan.

[Andy Holloway]

He put it out there, and we're at what, 14,000.

[Jason Moore]

14,000.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, so let's put it out there.

[Jason Moore]

But Foot Clan can move mountains.

[Andy Holloway]

That's right. And we do have the show after the show. After today, talking some Game of Thrones recap. All right, so if you have a question for the show, a fantasy question, you can send it in. Go to the website, the fantasy footballers.com. click that submit a question button. You can also dial our voicemail hotline, 302464, TFFB. I had fun explaining myself with Duke Johnson. That was one of those guys. The, the deeper I dug, the more I felt comfortable with my pick.

[Mike Wright]

So that's, that's always the best, is when if you feel challenged and you dig in and you feel even more confident. It's, it's also good to, if you're challenged, you dig in, you see, oh, maybe I do need to change this. But it, there's always a warm, fuzzy feeling when you start that confidence to build.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Sometimes you start to write your own argument and you go, I can't back this up. Think I had some guys today when I was, I was modifying my rankings where I was like, yeah, he needs to move Zach Ertz. I'll just publicly say that. You can go look right now. Zach Ertz finally moved down. I loved being in the Zach Ertz camp. I can't do it anymore. With Carson Wentz potentially starting in the. In the tumult in the. It would be stupid. It just would be stupid. So he moved down. All right, let's go to a voicemail question. And I believe this caller could help fill in for you if you needed help with your voice. Yeah, I think so. Or not.

[Jason Moore]

Definitely not.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, guys, it's T. Balls. I was wondering if you could discuss.

[D]

The value of Kyrod Taylor in a two quarterback league. I feel like he's got some sleeper potential, but I'm just curious, you know, where you guys had him ranked and what do you think is feeling, of course, this year.

[Andy Holloway]

Appreciate it. Tyrod Taylor, somebody we probably haven't talked about enough. I know Jason is a pretty big Tyrod Taylor fan. I am. And I'm a very hesitant Tyrod Taylor fan.

[Jason Moore]

When you said, well, I'll definitely move him up above Tyrod Taylor, you were.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, no, don't do that.

[Jason Moore]

My thought was like, wait, why? Definitely above Tyrod Taylor. Tyrod Taylor's great.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's talk about.

[Jason Moore]

Explain yourself. Explain yourself.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, so Tyrod Taylor, two quarterback leagues. I love it. Upside value, late later in the draft than some of these other guys. I wouldn't want to pair them with another high risk quarterback myself. I'd want to have somebody that's kind of a steady, steady Type of quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

And you know what's funny is I was listening to that banter. Go on. And you know Jason loves Tyrod Taylor. Jason is the lowest on Tyrod Taylor.

[Jason Moore]

Well then I need to bump him up because I'm. I have not checked into how I have him statted in a while. But what I have looked into is just the. The Buffalo Bills offense, what I think they can become what Tyrod Taylor did last year. So I just haven't updated his stats. I'll make sure I do that.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm sure it's not by much.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, no.

[Jason Moore]

Just by a couple.

[Andy Holloway]

I think I have Tyrod at 17.

[Mike Wright]

You do.

[Andy Holloway]

But any other thoughts on Tyrod as a value in two quarterback leagues?

[Mike Wright]

Spectacular. I think if you can get one of the. A more known weekly starter. I'm not saying go out and you have to get Rogers or Cam Newton.

[Andy Holloway]

In the Ryan Fitzpatrick or Tyrod Taylor right now. If he's back. If Ty. If he's back.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would go Fitzpatrick.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, I'll take Fitzpatrick because I know Fitzpatrick is going to play 16.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

Or I feel confident. I'm pretty confident.

[Andy Holloway]

14 and a half. But yeah, no, I think Taylor will.

[Mike Wright]

Not play a full season. Even though I really like him, I think he's a great later round target.

[Jason Moore]

Upside. Yeah, because huge upside. When you look at the late round guys, normally there's not as many high upside guys. Guys that can go out there and put a 35 point game up. But Tyro Taylor can do that with your legs. And Andy, I think you bring up a great point of pairing him with a guy that is safe. If you want to go and target kind of that riskier late pick then grab a Russell Wilson, a guy that's, you know, consistent and good.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Not a low or you know, not a really low floor. Ross and Humboldt. I'm in a 16 team standard league this year. I'm going to try 0 RB in the first few rounds. Gio Bernard or of Gio Bernard, Matt Jones and Duke Johnson. Who has the lowest floor on their value?

[Jason Moore]

Standard scoring.

[Andy Holloway]

Who's the safest player?

[Jason Moore]

Basically, can I just say Ross. How dare you bring up Duke Johnson's name in a standard league.

[Andy Holloway]

He was only the 34th.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. All right. So I can't believe he did that to me too. Sorry.

[Andy Holloway]

Ruin me. This was supposed to be me explaining myself and you getting convinced.

[Mike Wright]

They said it was Jason burying you.

[Andy Holloway]

He was burying me in a standard league. The pass catching running back did very poorly.

[Jason Moore]

All right, well this is a Standard league. Ross wants to know which one of these three guys. Gio Bernard, a pass catching back who's also very involved in the run game. Matt Jones, who is pretty much the show for Washington until Aaron Foster or someone else signs there. Or Duke Johnson, the pass catching back. I'm curious to see what Andy says.

[Andy Holloway]

I think Matt Jones is the safest of these. If it was a half or full. Duke's by safest to me. But I think in this full standard league, 16 team league, I think Matt Jones is safer. And I have Matt Jones rated ahead of Duke Johnson in half point leagues 17 and 19. So it only makes sense to go.

[Mike Wright]

I would say that Matt Jones of this group has the highest ceiling, but also the lowest floor.

[Jason Moore]

The lowest floor?

[Andy Holloway]

Why would that be?

[Jason Moore]

I think he's got the highest floor and the highest.

[Andy Holloway]

Because of the pass catching of the other two guys.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, well. And just I think that Matt Jones could miserably. I think that Jones could come out fumble two or three times real early. I know Jason's shaking his head because you love Matt Jones.

[Jason Moore]

No, it's not because of that. It's because of last year's Latavius Murray. Last year's Latavius Murray. Look, Murray came out and he had bad games and he came out and he fumbled and he got benched a couple of times.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

But you have to run the ball at some point and he was the only guy there. That's what Matt Jones is this year. So I agree. If Aaron Foster comes to town, sorry, don't draft Matt Jones the way we.

[Mike Wright]

That's what I'm saying is they were already looking at Foster.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, but right now you have to answer the question.

[Jason Moore]

Right? And right now Matt Jones has the highest floor and the highest ceiling to me.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but if you answer like Mike, you'll say if Arian Foster signs with either the Browns or the Reds.

[Mike Wright]

I'm just saying of anyone, like there are still variables left for Matt Jones. Like the way that I feel about. Oh, now I've lost my train of thought with the running back. Where you. Oh, Smallwood, how you. You think someone else is coming to Philly? I think someone else is coming into Washington. So that's why I think that he has the lowest.

[Jason Moore]

Here's my. Excuse me, here's my guess because I agree someone else else has to come into Washington. I think it's going to be someone like Pierre Thomas. Just. And if that happens, then I see Matt Jones the same as I'm describing him.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, Another voicemail. Question.

[D]

Hey guys, finally I'm giving in how to give you guys a call. Ask a quick question. I guess my question is with you guys talking about the strategy so much about going with wide receivers so much earlier, are you guys okay with getting two running backs like two RB2s for your two RB1 and your RB2? I've done this in past years and I just keep getting screwed over every single year. I just want to know your guys thoughts on that. Thanks a lot. Appreciate the show.

[Andy Holloway]

I need to speak on this first. I think for me I'm not okay with that.

[Mike Wright]

You're not okay taking two running backs?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not okay having two running back twos. I'm still.

[Mike Wright]

No, I think what he's saying is going rbrb.

[Jason Moore]

No, I think Andy's right. I think what he's saying is are you okay if you end up with just two RB2s because you went wide receiver early?

[Andy Holloway]

Are you okay either way? I can answer the question the same way. I mean I was going to basically say I'm still of the opinion. I still make the same argument I made last offseason that position scarcity exists for the running back versus the wide receiver position. I'd rather be taking running backs early. That's what I'm going to do on my teams this year. I think what we've talked about a lot this summer is the viability of a wide receiver. First draft it is there. The viability is there. You have upper echelon names in Antonio Brown, Julio Jones In Odell Beckham Jr. Probably does Bryant that if you draft them, you will get production from them and you will get high level production. Last year the very high level running backs didn't produce at the level we hoped. It left a bad taste in everybody's mouth and I think that's why it's been brought up so often now. Jason, you know, Jason's also talked about this as well and I'll let him talk about it now. I what all I wanted to get out was that we are not opposed to running back early. We did not change to a 0 RB strategy for the show. I'm still a running back first guy due to position scarcity. But Jason also sees, I think the value of some of these later pass catching backs. You know, like everybody but Duke Johnson. All right, Jason.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, for me it's. I have always, always, always been a running back guy. You have to have it because of the position scarcity argument. It is real and it matters and I don't like I Would prefer to have a really good running back. I want one of the top running backs and in most of my drafts, I have a feeling I will end up with one. That being said, this year is very different than the last few years. If you go do this, if you want to see a visual representation, go to fantasy football calculator.com and go to their ADP list and they've got all the years of history. And Click back on 2014 and 2013 and 2012 and what you see is it was dominated by running backs early and in your league, running backs went early. And so position scarcity got even scarier because there were no running backs of any value left. But now it's. It's flipped. Now there It's. It's basically 50, 50. And in a couple of rounds, when I look, you know, at the 2016 list and if I'm going to say, okay, so I take my first two picks my first two rounds, let me look at who's available in the third and fourth round. I kind of like the running backs more than I like the wide receivers that are available there just because of how many are taken early. You know, I like. I would rather have Carlos Hyde or Matt Jones than I would Randall Cobb or Doug Baldwin when I look at it. So that's the argument for me is just it's kind of because I don't usually do this, but I feel like I have to do it because everybody's doing it, you know, but. But from a logical standpoint that says I now can get running backs later. And so I think one valuable spot to be in right now is to actually be near the end of the first round, because I like that spot. At the end of the first round, you can actually get one of the best running backs available and still get one of the best wide receivers. That's how I would prefer to start my draft.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I would too. That's where I'd like to be as well. Based on how things are going with this year's ADP. I'd love to be 7, 8, 9, 10 in a draft and be able to take one of the upper echelon running backs at that value. It's only going to make it easier for me to take, I think, a viable wide receiver later on.

[Mike Wright]

And the way the draft looks for me at the very beginning right now is I feel like Julio Beckham and Antonio Brown are their own tier. They are the S tier of this draft for me, but after that, I fall in line of there's of the string of running backs that I want, you're looking at, you know, Bell, David Johnson, Gurley, Peterson. There's becomes this huge list of guys that I would rather take over that second tier of wide receivers. So unless I'm in the top top four, so where I'm going to get one of the big three wide receivers, I'm still probably taking a running back in the first round.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, last question for the show today. Travis and Sue Falls, which mid round wide receiver do you think has the best chance of ending the year as a top five score in standard fantasy points? Obviously this is a difficult question, right? A mid round guy you think could be top five. I think you're aiming very, very high with those guys. You know we have some sleepers in the ultimate draft kit online that we're talking about, but two names came to mind for me. Do you guys have anybody that are.

[Mike Wright]

Jumping out as a middle round? I'll have to pull up an ADP here. A middle round guy that will, that.

[Andy Holloway]

Could finish just has the potential to. There are middle round guys have no potential.

[Jason Moore]

I've got a couple of guys.

[Mike Wright]

All right, you guys go ahead. I'll find, I'll find someone.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I got Jason's guy. Doug Baldwin is obviously a middle round guy that could end up there because he ended the year, last year on a tear that, you know, even if he didn't sustain that exact touchdown number, he could end up there. He's a guy that could. He's got a great quarterback, a good offense. The other guy that I'd mention is Kevin White.

[Jason Moore]

And that's funny, he was on.

[Andy Holloway]

Was he one of your ones?

[Jason Moore]

He was, he was, yes. He was one of the three guys that kind of came to mind.

[Andy Holloway]

And that is more me saying I don't think all things being equal, he's going to end up top five. But if Alshon Jeffrey was to get hurt, he has the athletic ability, the quarterback, the offense, the talent to be a top five guy if he had the number one role in Chicago. So those are two guys that jump out to me. Is there anybody to you? It's a tough question.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's a tough one. Things would have to break in a certain direction clearly for this, but I'm going to throw out Dante Moncrief. The Colts are a very pass heavy team. Their running back situation as we know, is not the. Is not the most desirable, not the youngest. We'll say, speaking for an NFL team, gorgeous, well done. But in Ty Hilton, I like him a lot. I'm rising on him. But I'm just saying, if the right circumstances happen, Moncrief has the talent. And that's the kind of team with Andrew Luck who could come out and throw 40 touchdowns again, that he could end up as top five.

[Andy Holloway]

I like it.

[Jason Moore]

The guys I would throw out would be Josh Gordon. It's still going very late.

[Andy Holloway]

Fair, fair.

[Jason Moore]

Believe. But I'm just saying, you know, if he, if he ends up not suspended, he's got the talent and he's going very late. And I don't know that this guy is middle round enough because he's like back of the fourth right now. But Golden Tate, he's going to have the opportunity. And if he ends up as the red zone guy, he could, he could.

[Andy Holloway]

Possibly be there, throw one more name out there. Any chance Laquan Treadwell could be that?

[Jason Moore]

No, no. Only because of the offense. I just don't think that the Vikings throw the ball enough to utilize him in even a DEZ Bryant, efficient touchdown type of role.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, that is it for today's show. We got Jake Seeley coming on for our Thursday show. Yes, that's the all in kid fantasy sports network. We talked about it last week. We. He bumped into Thursday. Oh, he bumped us to Thursday.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

What happened?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we did nothing.

[Andy Holloway]

We need to bump him back, man. Jake Seeley, 2018. He's coming on the show. No, we got him on Thursday and we'll have some. Some more good stuff for you. Also, just a reminder, if you want to help support the show, head over to podcast awards.com we're giving away a. For those that go and vote, just vote. Screenshot that you voted for us in the People's Choice and in the sports and rec section.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Click the email, it'll. It'll say your vote has been verified.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And you can do that every day. Support the show. Help us get that People's Choice in Sports and Recreation podcast award. And then everybody who screenshots those and hashtags Foot Clan vote on Twitter. We're gonna take all of those, we're gonna put them into a big pot. We're gonna pull out a bunch of rewards, including a signed Le'Veon Bell jersey. We're giving away some stickers, giving away some gear, and we're also going to be giving away a Listen listener league spot for 2016. And so we appreciate your support. Like I said at the beginning of the show, it's been truly humbling. And overwhelming. Let's take it home, Foot Clan. But we want that hat. You know, you got all them hashtag Foot Clan titles. We want one, too. So come and support us.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

That's a long hashtag. But I can dig it, man.

[Mike Wright]

I'll make it longer.

[Andy Holloway]

I can dig it. So thanks for listening. Check out our community jointhefoot.com we'll be back on Thursday. We'll be three times a week starting in July.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, my goodness.

[Jason Moore]

Show after the show on YouTube. Thank you for listening to another edition of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Don't forget to visit us on the web at www.thefantasyfootballers.com and follow us on Twitter the FFballers.