Fantasy Football Podcast 2016 - Fantasy Impact of Coaching Changes, News & Mailbag

Summary

Fantasy Football Podcast 2016 - Fantasy Impact of Coaching Changes, News & Mailbag Fantasy Footballers Podcast | Release Date: February 11, 2016

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Introduction

The Fantasy Footballers kick off the February 11, 2016 episode with a playful nod to the leap year, setting an engaging tone for the packed show ahead. Hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright delve into the significant coaching changes across the NFL and their potential impacts on fantasy football strategies.

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Frank Gore: A Deep Dive into His Future

Discussion on Frank Gore's Performance and Value

Frank Gore's future in fantasy football takes center stage as the hosts analyze his past performances and potential trajectory. Andy Holloway raises the question of whether Gore's underwhelming 967 yards in 2015 were due to personal decline or team inefficiencies:

Andy Holloway [03:02]: "Do you believe in Frank Gore? In 2016 he had 967 yards. In 2015, he said himself they were the toughest 967 he has ever got."

Jason Moore and Mike Wright debate Gore's value, considering his age and the Colts' offensive struggles. They discuss the likelihood of the team adding a running back to support Gore, thereby enhancing his fantasy value.

Mike Wright [04:56]: "I fully expect them to add somebody now. Frank Gore as a leader of a timeshare. If Andrew Luck can get back to a high-scoring, leading a high-scoring offense, then yes, I will buy into Frank Gore because touchdown opportunity will be there."

Jason Moore remains cautiously optimistic, positioning Gore as a late-round value pick in fantasy drafts.

Jason Moore [05:27]: "I think Frank Gore would be like a 6th round pick off the top of my head."

The discussion concludes with an acknowledgment of Gore's potential cliff drop due to age, emphasizing the necessity for fantasy managers to weigh his current value against future uncertainty.

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News and Notes

1. Johnny Manziel's Troubling Situation

The hosts express growing concern over Johnny Manziel's NFL prospects, highlighting his off-field issues and diminishing relevance in professional football. Andy Holloway emphasizes the severity of Manziel's situation, suggesting rehabilitation is his only viable path forward.

Jason Moore [08:13]: "Everyone knows the only place that Johnny Manziel needs to go, and that's not an NFL team, that's a rehab."

2. DeMarcus Ware Remains a Titan

DeMarcus Ware's commitment to the Denver Broncos is discussed, with the trio noting his significant contract and the team's cap constraints. They speculate on Ware's role and the Broncos' defensive strategies moving forward.

Mike Wright [08:45]: "The cap number is monstrous for this next year, I believe. And so over $11 million."

3. Mike Wallace Out with the Vikings

The Minneapolis Star Tribune's report on Mike Wallace not returning to the Vikings is dissected. The hosts reflect on Wallace's disappointing performance and its implications for fantasy managers.

Jason Moore [11:07]: "I had hopes for Mike Wallace. Teddy Bridgewater in his rookie year for a rookie, had a good deep ball. And so bringing Mike Wallace in seemed like a good fit that just never worked out."

4. Lashawn McCoy's Legal Troubles

Andy Holloway and Mike Wright discuss the legal issues surrounding Lashawn McCoy, considering the implications for his standing with the Buffalo Bills and his fantasy value.

Mike Wright [10:34]: "I would just say hold him because his money's guaranteed and there's not really a benefit to cutting him."

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Coaching Changes and Their Fantasy Impact

1. Tennessee Titans: Mike Malarkey Takes the Helm

Mike Malarkey's appointment as the Titans' head coach is scrutinized. The hosts express skepticism about Malarkey's track record and the potential impact on the team's offensive performance.

Jason Moore [15:17]: "He was fired... Took that team to a great 2 and 7 record finish strong and while doing that looked very poor."

Despite the pessimism, there's a silver lining as the Titans aim to develop Marcus Mariota, potentially benefiting fantasy quarterbacks.

2. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Dirk Cutter Upgraded to Head Coach

The promotion of Dirk Cutter to head coach signals a shift towards an offense-centric strategy for the Buccaneers. The hosts highlight the potential for increased fantasy relevance with quarterback Jameis Winston under Cutter's guidance.

Jason Moore [19:53]: "From a fantasy perspective. I think that it is. It could be a good move because what you're doing is you're taking the offense and making them the center of your team."

3. New York Giants: Ben McAdoo Replaces Tom Coughlin

Ben McAdoo's hiring as the Giants' head coach is lauded for bringing stability to an already elite offense. The discussion focuses on how Eli Manning's consistent performance under McAdoo could enhance his fantasy value.

Andy Holloway [30:46]: "You know, if Coughlin's out, I love this for just the reliability of Eli Manning."

The trio explores potential running back options and the expected continuity in the Giants' offensive strategies.

4. Miami Dolphins: Adam Gase Takes Over

Adam Gase's appointment is examined for its potential to revitalize the Dolphins' struggling offense. The hosts discuss how Gase's experience with successful quarterbacks and offensive schemes could benefit fantasy managers.

Mike Wright [40:08]: "Devonte Parker we. You can go back in the rookie show where we really broke him down. He's a guy that I like a lot moving forward."

The conversation also touches on the implications for Ryan Tannehill and potential wide receiver targets under Gase's leadership.

5. San Francisco 49ers: Chip Kelly Returns as Head Coach

Chip Kelly's return to the 49ers is a point of contention among the hosts. While some appreciate his offensive acumen, others criticize his player relations and the overall effectiveness of his coaching tenure.

Jason Moore [46:08]: "I believe Chip Kelly is a very good head coach, a very good offensive mind."

The discussion delves into the challenges Kelly faces in transforming Colin Kaepernick's performance and integrating wide receivers like Torrey Smith.

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Mailbag: Listener Questions

1. Potential Brady-Manning Super Bowl Rematch

A listener from New Hampshire inquires about the possibility of a Super Bowl rematch between Tom Brady's Patriots and Peyton Manning's Rams.

Listener [51:33]: "If Manning, Peyton Manning goes to the Rams, do you think there's any possibility of another Brady-Manning rematch?"

The hosts humorously address the hypothetical scenario, acknowledging the unlikelihood of Manning joining the Rams but appreciating the excitement such a matchup would generate.

2. Keeper Decisions in Auction Leagues

Listeners from St. Louis and Lancaster seek advice on keeper selections for their auction draft strategies.

• Andrew from New Hampshire: Focused on choosing between Gurley, Cooper, and Gordon.

  Jason Moore [52:39]: "If Josh Gordon's Gordon, if Cooper is available, then I think I would pony up the dough for Amari Cooper."

• Ryan from Tuscaloosa: Deciding among Jarvis Landry, Alshon Jeffery, and Martavis Bryant.

  Jason Moore [53:03]: "There are chances for regression. I'm curious, Landry, and you know that I'm high on Martavis Bryant, but to me, the guy's got to be Alshon Jeffery."

3. Streaming Quarterbacks Performance

A listener from Pittsburgh questions how the hosts' weekly streaming quarterback picks would have ranked over the previous season.

Jeff in Pittsburgh [55:27]: "If I had streamed a quarterback every week in 2015 like the footballers suggest, how would your QB streamers have finished in the final rankings?"

The hosts discuss the advantages of having multiple streaming options and the potential consistency it offers, albeit without concrete rankings.

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Conclusion

Wrapping up the episode, the Fantasy Footballers reiterate the importance of adapting to coaching changes and staying informed on NFL developments to optimize fantasy football success. They encourage listeners to engage with their community and stay tuned for more in-depth analyses in future episodes.

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Notable Quotes:

• Mike Wright [00:35]: "Wow, it's like the purge."
• Jason Moore [01:37]: "Yeah, the honey badger don't care, man. Come on."
• Andy Holloway [03:02]: "Do you believe in Frank Gore?"
• Jason Moore [08:13]: "Everyone knows the only place that Johnny Manziel needs to go, and that's not an NFL team, that's a rehab."
• Jason Moore [15:17]: "He was fired... Took that team to a great 2 and 7 record finish strong and while doing that looked very poor."
• Mike Wright [19:45]: "Musical chairs."
• Jason Moore [38:21]: "This takes Hugh Jackson away from the Bengals."
• Jason Moore [46:08]: "I believe Chip Kelly is a very good head coach, a very good offensive mind."
• Jason Moore [53:06]: "Man, if hopefully you don't have to make your decision right now, but for Josh Gordon for $6, I'm in on that."

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Transcript

[Mike Wright]

Foreign.

[Jason Moore]

To the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. We are back again. It is Thursday, February 11, 2016. It's a leap year this year, guys, so we get an extra day this month. You can do anything you want on that day.

[Mike Wright]

Wow, it's like the purge.

[Andy Holloway]

I was thinking of that too. There are no rules, no laws.

[Jason Moore]

I'll be locked in my house.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you're not gonna go out? I'm going out. I'm going out and I'm gonna take care of some business. Welcome to the show. We've got a good one for you today. We're gonna talk about all the coaching changes that have taken place already in the NFL landscape and give you kind of our fantasy twist. Okay, we're going to let you know how the coaching changes and now two people in the studio are doing the twist and neither of them are me. We're going to let you know what it's going to do, what it's going to impact for these offenses and the defenses in these teams that have seen head coaches turnover this year. So we're going to do that. We're going to go through the news and we're going to go into the mailbag, dive right in and answer some questions. Got some keeper questions that we're gonna get into. And so it's going to be a jam packed, a great show here in February. You guys look super excited. Jason, you're wearing a honey badger shirt.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, the honey badger don't care, man. Come on.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you sound.

[Mike Wright]

Well done. Oh, no, I was just, I was pulling up some information for, for the quick question.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, well, we'll get to that in just a minute. But before we do, I want to let everybody know that you can follow us on twitter @ the FF Ballers, follow us on the website, submit questions to the show. We're going to be adding a lot of good stuff on there. And the website is thefantasyfootballers.com you can check out our fantasy football community of [e-mail] where we release an extra episode every week, including all off season and in the prep season, draft season. You can check us out on Facebook, facebook.com the fantasy footballers and we are on YouTube as well. In fact, the show after the show has been a big success so far. So if you don't know what that is, it's the best part. It's the show. After the show, we leave the camera running for an extra 5, 10 minutes and we Talk about something that either came up on the show. We debate something could be something in the world that is taking place. We don't really know that's the truth.

[Jason Moore]

It's Footballers After Dark, right.

[Andy Holloway]

We turn the lights off.

[Mike Wright]

It's premium. It's HBO.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And so that's only on YouTube. So you should go to YouTube, subscribe to our channel and you'll get the show after the show, the HBO version. Oh, all right. So quick question for the day, guys. Do you believe. Simple. It's direct. Do you believe in Frank Gore who is now 33?

[Jason Moore]

33.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you believe in him? In 2016 he had 967 yards. In 2015, he said himself they were the toughest 967 he has ever got. And so do we read into that because his body resisted him or because the team was what it was last year, which was a just a kind of disaster on the offensive side with Andrew Luck situation, who wasn't playing well, then he goes out, then it's Hasselbeck. So what do you believe in Frank Gore?

[Mike Wright]

It was also a disaster that they had nobody else really. They, they brought Josh Robinson in in the draft with his, his triangle shaped body and that did not work out because he was cut just a few weeks into the season for a fourth round draft pick. To give up on a guy that early speaks volumes to what they really thought of him. They brought in Bradshaw who had some success but then went full. Ahmad Bradshaw got hurt again. And I feel like Frank Gore had to carry more of a load than they really wanted or they thought would happen. They just didn't have a particularly good backup. So I fully expect them to add somebody now. Frank Gore as a, as a leader of a timeshare. If Andrew Luck can get back to a. Being a high scoring, leading a high scoring offense, then yes, I will buy into Frank Gore because touchdown opportunity will be there. It should running running lane should open up a little bit more if Andrew Luck is there and you actually have to be scared of him throwing the ball. So I will. But to me, let's project around. I think Frank Gore would be like a 6th round pick off the top of my head.

[Andy Holloway]

And there's no chance that he. He'd be a six for you.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Because there's no way he's a six if he's the starting running back for the Colts. In the actual fantasy, what I was.

[Mike Wright]

In my head, I'm saying they've added somebody.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. In the dark, you're putting them in that timeshare free agency maybe hard to pick a name out, but somebody comes in there and if they.

[Mike Wright]

If they go into next year and they've done nothing, then he's going to be a much higher. He'll still slip in value because of age and production like he has for.

[Andy Holloway]

The past five years.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

So it's way too early on the mock drafts, but he's going right now in the seventh round. Late seventh.

[Mike Wright]

Booyah.

[Jason Moore]

I still believe in Frank Gore. It's difficult to believe that a guy who's 33 who has always been over 4 yards of carry and came in to his age 32 season and fell to 3.7 yards of carry is somehow going to be better. And I don't necessarily think he is going to be better. I don't think he's going to be better. We forget Frank Gore was an RB1 in standard scoring. He was the 12th running back this year, but he had to play against stacked boxes with no passing game. When Andrew Luck comes and I hope they address the offensive line in the draft that will. Those things will help. I believe in Frank Gore and I think he's going to be a value. He's going to be what Fred Jackson was two years ago. A guy that's just completely forgotten. Nobody wants him because of his age and he's going to produce.

[Andy Holloway]

And now you pretty much touched on everything that needs to be said. I would say you might get 900 out of him again next year, but he'll be in a place you maybe in the draft that is more reasonable.

[Mike Wright]

You might get 900 or you could get absolutely nothing.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, sorry about that.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, okay. My final thought was that with running backs we see it when it's over for a running back, it's over. It's over immediately.

[Andy Holloway]

Not with. Okay.

[Mike Wright]

I just.

[Jason Moore]

When it's very common when they hit the cliff, it's.

[Mike Wright]

It's done there. They don't come back is they're done. So I don't think that Gore hit that right. But if he is getting there, then it's.

[Andy Holloway]

It's over. So essentially you have the potential for cliff drop and then you have no potential for great increase because of the age and yes.

[Jason Moore]

Which is why he'll be in the seventh and he'll be a great. Like if you want to go zero RB to me, you know, and grab someone in the seventh round as an RB that can be consistent. I like it.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, what do you want to start with, guys? Should we talk About Johnny Manziel? No, never skip right over that.

[Mike Wright]

Just giving up.

[Andy Holloway]

It's just getting worse and worse. There's come the point now, we've talked about it in the studio privately, where he's no longer worth any sort of risk for another team. And in the beginning of the offseason, it was kind of like Manziel, RG3. Do they end up in Dallas? Where do they go to be backups and have the potential to be a starter? It's starting to get to the point where, okay, maybe Manziel finds some backup opportunity someday. But right now, the news is worse and worse and worse.

[Jason Moore]

Everyone knows the only place that Johnny Manziel needs to go, and that's not an NFL team, that's a rehab.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the truth. Yeah. And so all these different stories coming out about him and the threats and things, I don't want to get into all of that, but, you know, the Browns knew things were going on throughout the year, and the ultimate thing right now is that he gets help because even his own father came out and said he won't live to be 24 if it's a current path that he's on now. All right, so DeMarcus Ware, a big part of the super bowl winning Broncos part, says he's not planning on retiring. So he'll be back, is the plan.

[Mike Wright]

You know what was funny? I was thinking about this the other day for the. The rise of the Denver Broncos in the last few years. How. How lucky and beneficial were they for ridiculous free agent signings? You get to actually sign a Hall of Fame quarterback as a free agent. Then the Cowboys have screwed up their cap so badly, they have to cut DeMarcus Ware, who is one of the best defenders in the league, especially at that time. And they're like, oh, yeah, well, sure, we'll pick you up.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, it's the big problem with.

[Mike Wright]

Come on.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. With. Where is that? His cap number is monstrous for this next year, I believe. And so over $11 million.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And so this is when it would. You know, he would be one of those guys that.

[Mike Wright]

But can they even cut him? What. What's his dead money if they cut him?

[Andy Holloway]

It's only like 1.6 million.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, really?

[Andy Holloway]

So, okay, so there's. I think the way that that will work out is he would either find another team, they'll restructure, or they'll just restructure something. If they want to keep him around.

[Mike Wright]

You have to keep him around.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that. That D line. You keep that Intact, you keep the defense intact. And then you do whatever little things you can to just make sure you have an offense.

[Andy Holloway]

So another question that has come up with the Lashawn McCoy news. There are arrest warrants pending or is what. That's what's being reported. Certainly there's going to be a legal headache here. We don't know where that's going to shake out.

[Mike Wright]

There's video.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, there's video. You can see it. But now what people want to know as well, will they just cut him loose? Well, it's not a good cut loose situation for McCoy. The likelihood is that he'll remain on the bills. They're not just going to cut him free. Depending on the severity of the situation. Maybe something changes. But right now his money's guaranteed and there's not really a benefit to cutting him.

[Mike Wright]

To me, it'll be the situation. You hold him because it's the guaranteed. Then if he gets. If there's trouble, then you say, okay, you owe us this much money like you owe us millions of dollars now. Sean McCoy. So thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. The Minneapolis Star Tribune's Matt Vinzel does not expect Mike Wallace back with the Vikings. I didn't know he had ever shown up this year. So not a big surprise. One of the bigger fantasy disappointments of the season, season was Mike Wallace and his lack of contribution to that team in a lot of different ways.

[Jason Moore]

I had hopes for Mike Wallace. Teddy Bridgewater in his rookie year for a rookie, had a good deep ball. And so bringing Mike Wallace in seemed like a good fit that just never worked out. They're not a passing team.

[Mike Wright]

Well, they also. We had high hopes. Well, I had high hopes for Charles Johnson and neither Charles Johnson nor Mike Wallace, the two guys that we actually talked about, did anything because we had.

[Jason Moore]

High hopes for Teddy Bridgewater saying Stefan.

[Mike Wright]

Diggs did what I thought Charles Johnson would do. And I assume he did what you thought Mike Wallace would do for four games.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I was just going to make the exact point of does what Charles Johnson did emerging and then I guess climbing back into a cave. Does that scare you with how that offense works and then Diggs is kind of emergence and then.

[Mike Wright]

No, I think Diggs is.

[Andy Holloway]

See you like Diggs.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. In the future, I dig him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, me too. All right, so before we move on to the kind of the meat of the show, which is we're going to go through the coaching changes and how it impacts your fantasy football teams, I do want to take a second and thank the sponsor of today's show Squarespace. You've heard me say it before. Before we did this show, I worked in web development and web publishing and those type of things. So I know exactly how hard it is to to build a website, the expenses and things that come into that, and it can be tough even if you know your way around coding. Now, creating something that looks good and works well is a time consuming affair. And whether it's for a business site, a portfolio, a restaurant, or whatever else, in this day and age, you need a website. Well, lucky for us, Squarespace makes it easy to build beautiful websites without breaking a sweat. They provide simple, powerful and beautiful websites that look professionally designed regardless of your skill level and no coding required. Seriously, you cannot beat the ease and simplicity of Squarespace and They give you 247 online support and a beautiful website. So what are you waiting for? Start a trial, no credit card required, and build your website today and listen for listeners of this show. When you decide to sign up for Squarespace, make sure you use the offer code Footballers and you'll get 10% off your first purchase and you'll show your support for this show. The Fantasy Footballers podcast. And we thank Squarespace for their support of this show. Squarespace. You should. I thought it would be appropriate to pay homage. Pay homage to David Bowie and just throw that in there. We're talking coaching changes, so it seemed to fit. However, when I brought up the idea to Jason, he had never heard this song before.

[Jason Moore]

Never once. And when you play it, it doesn't strike a bell because I had never heard it. And so I want to know, because Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

So I mocked him. And to Mike. Mike wasn't in the studio yesterday morning. So I told Mike this news, which I'm sure floored him.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I thought, what kind of uncultured wine am I working with that you don't know? Changes by David Bowie?

[Jason Moore]

And I said, look, I think half of our audience is not gonna know that song. No disrespect.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you just call half our audience uncultured swine?

[Jason Moore]

No, Mike did. However, I want to know if you're. Go to YouTube and tell me if you have not heard this song. If you have heard the song, just keep silent.

[Mike Wright]

I like, I like that Jason represents half the demo.

[Andy Holloway]

I know he told me that that was the exact point he made.

[Mike Wright]

That's how highly.

[Andy Holloway]

Because if I don't know it, half the audience won't know it. So we're not doing it.

[Mike Wright]

I'm like, just like. Well, maybe 33% of the. No, Jason's half.

[Andy Holloway]

He was doing it by weight.

[Jason Moore]

I'm out of here.

[Mike Wright]

I'm out of here.

[Jason Moore]

The league. All right. Speaking favorite joke I've ever done of terrible, terrible things. Let's talk about the coaches. Mike Malarkey. Oh, is the in for the Tennessee Titans.

[Andy Holloway]

So we'll start with Tennessee. We'll get the. Get this out of the way.

[Mike Wright]

Get it out of the way.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't want to come on here and just completely disparage the hope of Tennessee Titan fans, but we don't have a really positive spin for Mike Malarkey signing, and we don't think you do either. The, the reporting out of Tennessee is the same sort of befuddlement that we have here, and the numbers back up that befuddlement. Am I right?

[Jason Moore]

Well, yeah, because you say, okay, who left? Ken Wizen Hunt. But he didn't leave at the end of the year. He left really early with nine games left.

[Mike Wright]

Well, he didn't leave well.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

He was. He was fired.

[Mike Wright]

He was asked to leave.

[Andy Holloway]

Escorted out on premises.

[Jason Moore]

Took that team to a great 2 and 7 record finish strong and while doing that looked very poor. I mean, the team didn't. It wasn't like a really tough, you know, oh, man, they just lost some bad breaks. They were a bad team under Mike Malarkey. And so to everyone's surprise, considering that they were for the first time in a long time, a really hot destination. You have a franchise quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

There are a lot of Chip Kelly rumors based on Mariota being there.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And so you bring in Mike Malarkey and you hope that he does better than his career record everywhere else. 18 and 39 as a head coach.

[Mike Wright]

And speaking just to. For fantasy purposes, as a head coach, his offense, when you're talking about yardage, has not done. Done very well. He was the head coach of the Buffalo Bills for a couple of years, 25th and 28th in yardage, head coach of Jacksonville for a year, 29th in yards. He just, it's, it's hard to get excited about the potential he brings now. The players can overcome these situations. When you have good players, good things happen. So I'm not abandoning the Tennessee Titans. You're just. You don't. You have to question the higher of. Was that really the best choice?

[Jason Moore]

So the hope here for Tennessee Marriott is going to grow with or without a good coach. Mariota is going to take another step forward over the next couple years each year and get a little better, which when the quarterback gets better, your offense entirely gets better. So There is still a little bit of silver lining for the future of fantasy players from Tennessee. Doyle Green Beckham has a nice chance to develop something with Mariota and have a future, but I'm not going to be investing in any of the running backs. Personally, I don't trust kind of the rotation on a not great offense. The only player I really want from this team is maybe Mariota.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, and the thing is is if you want an optimistic spin, you have to go to the offensive coordinator position because they did hire Terry Rubisky at the end of January and he's somebody who was the receivers coach with Roddy White and Julio Jones in Atlanta and could do some more innovative things there. And so you kind of hope that what you see is, you know, malarkey is over it all and you see some innovation from Rubisky and you start to use the multiple skill sets that Mariota represents because he should be the kind of mismatch that we've seen with, you know, he's not Cam Newton. Okay. He's not the same type of runner as Cam Newton, but he has a multidimensional offensive Wilson type of. Yeah. Any of these comparisons where you, you need to drop innovative play calling for them and take advantage of them. Kaepernick a few years ago. And so that would be the optimistic spin. But you're right, the only guys to own right now for me are Mariota and obviously Delaney Walker based on his involvement last year. I like Delaney Walker. I don't think there's any reason he won't be involved. Yeah. And give the opportunity for Green Beckham to emerge. He can be a late round flyer right now for me. We've talked about him a little bit already in the rookie show. So you can go back in here. That. So let's move on to Tampa and let's talk about Lovey Smith. He's out. Dirk Cutter has arrived. Or better yet, you know, he got a bigger chair, right? Yeah, they moved him up. They said, everybody, Lovey, step out. Everybody move down one. Yep, sort of. So Dirk Cutter.

[Mike Wright]

Musical chairs.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So Dirt Cutter is the head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. There are some things to like about that, is there not?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, there's a few from a fantasy perspective. I actually think there are.

[Andy Holloway]

We should do the fantasy perspective one.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, from a fantasy perspective. I think that it is. It could be a good move because what you're doing is you're taking the offense and making them the center of your team. Right. Lovey Smith was a defensive minded coach. He wanted an offense that fed to his defense. He wanted to slow the game down and do those things. And now as a franchise, they're saying let's get rid of the defensive minded coach, take the offensive coordinator and put him in place and let's make this team.

[Andy Holloway]

Well. They're building it around Winston.

[Mike Wright]

Absolutely.

[Andy Holloway]

Their first pick. I mean, when you draft a guy like that, you kind of, I think at the high levels, you got to be thinking, we build our team around his given every chance to succeed and not blow this pick, you know. And so from that perspective, you know, Matt Ryan had a lot of success under dirt Cutter in Atlanta. He had his three best seasons fantasy wise. You know, we already talked about Winston, But Winston was 14th at the quarterback position last year. You guys both told me that you thought he's a top 10 guy.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I like.

[Andy Holloway]

You'd both put him above Mario.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I like the. I like the move from the point of. Of all the. The rumblings in the bushes were the team thought that dirt cutter he growing and grooming Jameis Winston into a professional quarterback was the most important thing to that franchise. And they felt that they might lose dirt Cutter. So they did the only thing that you can do to ensure that dirt cutter stays around. He said, okay, well, now you're the head coach. So to make that move for. For the investment of. Winston said, it's good things for. For fantasy for me. Of you got a franchise quarterback, you have a franchise wide receiver, you maybe have a franchise running back if you can resign Doug Martin. But all the pieces are there for some. For some delicious fantasy.

[Jason Moore]

I wish you guys didn't know the stat that we just talked about before the show because I saw this yesterday and I was going to ask you blindly what rank you thought Tampa finished in yards for the league. And I'm pretty confident that I would.

[Andy Holloway]

Not have said what the real stat is.

[Jason Moore]

Right. They were the fifth highest team in the league in total yards as an offense. So you know, there are things to.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, but 20th in points.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

So they were. They moved the 20 to 20s pretty well and Winston got things moving, but fifth and yard. There's a lot of good things. There are teams right in fantasy. Cincinnati last year is a good example where you kind of get a lot of fantasy relevance out of a specific team. I could see them being that team this year where you have Evans, Martin, Sims, Winston Safari and Jenkins and maybe Vincent Jackson.

[Mike Wright]

Vince Jackson's still there, but I mean.

[Andy Holloway]

That'S like I don't know how many fingers I just pointed out, but that's a lot of guys that could be relevant. And, you know, they had, like, up and down relevance this year, but if they find consistency, if Winston makes the next step, we could see a really explosive offense on a team that really is pretty. Could be pretty good.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And I don't expect their defense to get better with Lovey Smith going away. Sometimes that, you know, you take a look at what Jacksonville Jaguars. You got to keep scoring. So if they can be a garbage team, then garbage time.

[Andy Holloway]

Garbage time. Team.

[Jason Moore]

Team.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we don't want them to be a garbage team.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Unless you're playing against them and you're the head coach of the opposite team. All right, Chip Kelly out. Doug Peterson.

[Mike Wright]

Peterson.

[Andy Holloway]

Peterson.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Petterson.

[Andy Holloway]

Peterson.

[Jason Moore]

Peterson.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. No T. It's a D. It's a.

[Jason Moore]

D in his name, which is very, very off putting.

[Andy Holloway]

Very off putting. That's where we're starting with the analysis. Is spelling related?

[Jason Moore]

It is. I will say it is as unconventional as his hiring.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, here we go.

[Andy Holloway]

So why don't you drop the take on us, because if you have a really strong opinion about Peterson that is aligned with that sentiment, I'd love to hear it.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. So I think this is one of the most head scratching, nonsensical moves of the coaching carousel here. And I completely admit I could be wrong. Look, Mike Tomlin and other guys that are young and up and coming, where everyone talks highly about them who don't have the head coaching experience, they can come in and just say, look, I'm good. There's a reason they hired me. That could happen here. I don't know a whole lot about Doug Peterson, but the point is, nobody's been talking about this guy. You didn't hear about, you know, Adam Gase is a very similar situation and no head coaching experience. You heard about him for years. He's just waiting to get that opportunity.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but they missed Andy. They miss Andy.

[Jason Moore]

No, I think that's honestly what it is. They made a mistake letting Andy Reid go, and they go, we need to be that type of franchise. Let's take Andy Reid's protege. So here's who Doug Peterson is for all of you out there, all of you, because you don't know who he is. He was the assistant. He was basically a protege of Andy Reid for many years. I think since 2009, the last three years, he's been an offensive coordinator. Never been a head coach in his career. And keep in mind, because he was with Andy Reid, he wasn't really? The full primary play caller, offensive coordinator. He wasn't the primary play caller. He wasn't. I read an article about how this year he's going to be more involved with game planning. He's like the offensive coordinator, like, you know. Oh, good. It just surprises me that you take someone who doesn't really have that experience and bring him in. So I'm not looking at this with a rosy outlook for what he's going to be able to do with the Philadelphia Eagles.

[Andy Holloway]

From a fantasy perspective, it means the west coast offense is back in Philadelphia and it means that the running back position, whomever that might be, Mr. Glass or DeMarco Murray, that should be featured again at that in Philadelphia. You also have the optimism around the newly re signed Zach Ertz, right? Is that who you're bending towards?

[Mike Wright]

Optimistically wise, I like the hire and I like the hire of Doug Peterson because you do.

[Jason Moore]

Explain yourself.

[Mike Wright]

I like it because Doug Peterson has been with Andy Reid like we talked about since 2009. That's many, many years to learn and to be groomed and shown the ropes of everything that Andy Reid knows. Hopefully he didn't teach him how to time management. Yeah, don't worry about the time management. Get someone else to do that. But Andy Reid has been a very, very successful head coach. If you look back at his time in Philadelphia, just a string, string of years of double digit wins and in the Kansas City Chiefs, 11 wins, nine wins, 11 wins. So he's, he's been very successful. Reed is a great coach. So you take him with all those years pouring his knowledge into Doug Peterson and you give Doug Peterson an offense that I think is very capable with Zach Ertz. I still like Jordan Matthews. The running back position is loaded.

[Andy Holloway]

So is he gonna. If it's Bradford that's back, you know, this is. In Kansas City, you had a very, you could call it conservative, but I'd call it more efficient. West coast offense where they led the league three straight years in the least amount of interceptions.

[Mike Wright]

And what an interesting thing for Kansas City. They're all, they were always in the bottom 20 for yards, but they're always in the top half of the league for scoring.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, points.

[Mike Wright]

And we know that the touchdown is the difference maker in fantasy football. You have Kansas City, so 2013, sixth in offensive points. Last year ninth. Did you know that the Kansas City Chiefs were a top 10 scoring offense? Because that's, that's crazy. That's not how you think about them. So you give him the, an almost mirror situation to me, as far as you're talking about skill players going to Philadelphia compared to Kansas City, you have from Kelsey to Ertz, from Jamal Charles to Murray and Matthews and Jeremy Macklin. Now you have Jordan Matthews or Andy or as Andy hopes, it's Nelson Aguilar.

[Andy Holloway]

Clearly that, that's who I like Nelson Aguilar. Not more than Jordan Matthews. I just like him to bounce back.

[Mike Wright]

I just, I like the hire. I think that it's good things for the Philadelphia Eagles and get some stability in there.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's a final thought on the Eagles.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

And you guys let me know. There's an impossibility from a hype standpoint for Jordan Matthews to be higher this year than last year. Everything with the Chip Kelly, everything rolled into that, maybe people are going to be more of Jason's mindset with the higher and all of that has come down off of this high powered offense. Is Matthews primed to be a value in this draft?

[Mike Wright]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Andy Holloway]

And you're targeting him?

[Mike Wright]

I will be. I would be. I, I don't know where he's going to end up but in, in my history and just experience of seeing a guy like that who gets, you get the shine and you burn people pretty.

[Andy Holloway]

Bad because of where you were drafted.

[Mike Wright]

You turn in, you like, I mean Matthews was what, a second round, third round pick about there last year.

[Andy Holloway]

He was drafted very high.

[Mike Wright]

And you, you move him into this year, he's going to be available in the fifth, sixth round and that's for his ceiling.

[Jason Moore]

That is tremendous, especially with the opportunity to move him to the outside, something Chip Kelly was never willing to do. He's got the body for it, so we'll see if he does take that outside move. But that gives a little bit more excitement for, you know, more yards per reception.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, now we're going to move on to the Giants coaching situation. Out is Tom Coughlin, the longtime stalwart there, not retired. One of my favorite coaches was Tom Coughlin. Ben McAdoo takes over. From a fantasy perspective, this is outstanding news because you get a consistency in an offense that was already elite. That's the overarching story. Now the real question for us is if you have an offense that is first in passing like they were last year, but we didn't see running back production because they used 18 of them. But when you have that, you know you have Eli Manning, 4400 yards, 30 touchdowns, back to back seasons under McAdoo. But when you have that type of a situation, Ruben Randall, free agent, who's going to Be other than Odell Beckham Jr. And Eli Manning, who are both fantasy options, who's going to be that mystery third or fourth guy at the running back, at the wide receiver, at the tight end position. Somebody's going to put up points there. And so it's up to us to figure that out and tell the listeners. So tell me who it is.

[Jason Moore]

You know, I like Rashad Jennings. I like what he did at the end of the season. I think he's a capable running back. And I believe that Ben McAdoo is not going to go with the 17 running back system because that good committee. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And they can all take one bus.

[Jason Moore]

We'll have to see what they do this offseason.

[Mike Wright]

That's the running back bus. Hold on.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

We'll have to see what they do this offseason with their roster moves with running backs. Because you could. You could already kind of see that they were going to have a crazy committee before the season last year, and then it was even crazier than we thought. So this year before the season, we're going to see what are they doing with their running back rosters. Who are they re signing, who are they letting go.

[Mike Wright]

You're going to see Andre Williams, right?

[Jason Moore]

Exactly. If you see Andre Williams get cut, I am even more, you know, excited about Rashad Jennings who, you know, should. Should be. I'm not like, I'm not.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he's not the pinnacle of youth either.

[Jason Moore]

Right. I'm not on Rashad Jennings in general, but I'm saying as far as to answer your question, what Giant can take kind of a step forward this year? I think just by the fact that he's a good running back and might not be, just getting 15% of the carries will go a long way.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Yeah, very. He could be a sneaky guy if they don't make a lot of changes. But give him the rock. He'll be 31, by the way, for next season.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. But the chambering is still there.

[Jason Moore]

And the whole first half of his career, he. He didn't really have a lot of.

[Andy Holloway]

Usage, but every year in Oakland counts as three.

[Mike Wright]

It's like dog years. A question for me is Victor Cruz. He was already kind of looked like he was on descending in his career with the numbers he was putting up before destroying his knee. So can he be back? He's got the entire year off. Can he rehab and be back to a capable wide receiver? Because if you have a capable guy in Victor Cruz with, with Beckham, Beckham doesn't need Anybody else, and he'll still find a way to get the ball. That's how much I believe in Odell Beckham. But they're going to be in the hunt. They'll pick up a free agent like we talked about, like Marvin Jones. Maybe they'll. They'll go in on Travis Benjamin. I don't know. They would have very little height if they went that route with pairing those wide receivers. But they're going to add somebody, and as long as you have a guy, they proved it with Rubin Randall. The. The. The overall consensus thought of Reuben Randall is that he's not very good, and he still put up numbers. He was still a. Had a place in that offense. So you just. You get a guy who is at least capable, and this offense will still produce at a very high level.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. All right. So. And we don't really believe Randall will be back. For those wondering, it just doesn't seem to make sense with the amount of money they'd have to pay him at 24. And I think the people in New York expect him to be gone. So. Anything else from the. From the New York side?

[Jason Moore]

I think this is a great. You know, if Coughlin's out, I love this for just the reliability of Eli Manning. Eli Manning, you know, two straight seasons with 4400 yards and over 30 touchdowns. He actually.

[Mike Wright]

He's back. I mean, people. People thought Eli was done.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. He had 35 touchdowns this year, which was, I believe, second in the league. Passing through the air, so.

[Mike Wright]

Passing through the ground.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my goodness.

[Mike Wright]

That's like. It's a Super Mario move.

[Andy Holloway]

I thought it was a joke, but it was a real statement.

[Jason Moore]

There was a slash. Passing. Slash through the air. Just. Yeah, you take either. Either type.

[Andy Holloway]

No, we don't. We just call it passing. That's what we do.

[Mike Wright]

Check out my Groundhog pass.

[Andy Holloway]

This is gone sideways. All right, Mike Petton is out. Hugh Jackson is in. Johnny Manziel will be out. And now we give a coach that is highly respected, a coach that is a kind of very smart offensive mind.

[Jason Moore]

A coach that is one of Andy's longtime favorites.

[Andy Holloway]

It's true. I don't feel like he got a fair shake in Oakland. You're right. I like Hugh Jackson. I think we saw last year a plethora of fantasy options emerged from an offense run by Hugh Jackson. You had so many guys that contributed. Jeremy Hill, Gio Bernard, Tyler Ifert, Marvin Jones, AJ Green, and Andy Dalton. And now you put him in a position to, I think, lean even more on the run. Like Hugh Jackson loves to do. You're probably going to have a Jared Goff from California or Paxton lynch from Memphis State could be their quarterback. You might McCown to start the year, but you probably are going to see a situation where you want to see it. I mean McCown can stay on the field first of all and he's old and so there's, there's a very high probability to me that they are grooming either on the field from day one or three or four games into the year their next franchise quarterback. And already Hugh Jackson's a guy who almost always leads the league in rushing attempts. You've got a guy like Gio Bernard in Duke Johnson that can be involved in that offense. I like the hire from a fantasy perspective as much as can be expected from Cleveland's offense. So what is your take, Mike?

[Mike Wright]

I'm with you for the running backs. That's. That's the first place I'm going to be looking for. The Cleveland Browns, do they make any changes or do they just stick with. With Duke and Crowell. Crowell is. There's still something there to Isaiah Crowell in my opinion. He had a decent year. It seemed to. He seemed to start kind of slow but as the, the team kind of found their footing they. There was, there was more there once and they got the role carved out for Duke. You're going to be the pass catching back. But like Andy said, the, the attempts are just tremendous for, for a Hugh Jackson led offense and he's come out and he said probably not going to hire an offensive coordinator because I'm going to, I'm going to call the plays myself.

[Andy Holloway]

And then Doug Peterson said oh good, it's my.

[Mike Wright]

But as far as rushing Attempts since here's 2010 with Oakland 4th, then 7th. Then he got the O coordinator job in Cincinnati 5th, 7th. He is a top 10 as far as rushing attempts and those rushing attempts you want. We always talk about you need talent but you need opportunity for fantasy and targets for wide receivers attempts for running backs. So if they make no changes then Isaiah Crowell is going to be very interesting.

[Andy Holloway]

It's interesting too to think about, you know, I just gave you all those names for Cincinnati and how he impacted them on the fantasy side. Duke Johnson, Isaiah Crowell, Josh Gordon, Travis Benjamin, Gary Barnett.

[Mike Wright]

If they resigned Benjamin.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Correct. Which it's lean that was and if Gordon's back. But there's a lot of. I mean I don't think any of us in draft season are going to say if they're on that team that Benjamin or Gordon or Barnage or Crowell or Duke Johnson are irrelevant for fantasy, much less McCown, if he gets a starting job. So it's one of those situations where the team has been struggling, but maybe we see, you know, a lot of fantasy relevant players if he can get that offense moving.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it is definitely possible. I have a question for you regarding this hiring. This doesn't just affect the Browns. Right. This takes Hugh Jackson away from the Bangles.

[Andy Holloway]

That's true.

[Jason Moore]

And so I wonder what it will do now. They took their, their quarterbacks coach who's been there a long time and promoted him. I like that move to the OC for the Bengals.

[Andy Holloway]

Keep things similar.

[Mike Wright]

Keep Sandy dolls.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it keeps Andy Dalton's growth good. But I do wonder from a, from the running game, you know, is, is that going to. There's consistency for the Bengals, so I don't expect too much change. But does losing Hugh Jackson miss, you know, is. Are they going to miss him? What do you guys think? Yes or no? Is it from a fantasy?

[Andy Holloway]

From a fantasy perspective, what I think you'll see is different tendencies for their usage for some of those guys than what we've seen in the past. We, we've always. Hugh Jackson is always the first one to come out and talk about the ups and downs of a Jeremy Hill. Right, Right. And so it's a different guy now. It's a different guy managing that relationship. Jeremy. Jeremy Hill is a up and down kind of player. So. Yes. But I don't know if it's going to be bad or good. It's going to be up to, you know, the tape to show us what he's going to do. But change. Yes, I think there will be changes. So. All right. Guns Mahoney's out. Joe Philbin is out. I saw a. What was that? On one of the late night shows, they called Joe Philbin the most likely to be in a painting holding a pitchfork. That was his official awards. It was Fallon.

[Jason Moore]

He looks just like the guy in that famous picture, American Gothic.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, they put them up.

[Mike Wright]

You uncultured swine.

[Andy Holloway]

They put him up to each other and it was great. So Adam Gase, Vladimir Putin himself, and if you think I'm joking, go look up those two names in Google and there's enough pictures of them side by side that other people have thought the same thing.

[Mike Wright]

Wait a minute.

[Andy Holloway]

So Putin takes over in Miami. I'm just, I'm just testing it out. Okay, this is not good. All right. Adam Gase takes over In Miami. He's a guy who's had a lot of success with the quarterback position and wouldn't you know they need somebody who's had success with the quarterback position because Ryan Tannehill went backwards in every way shape and form last year.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So what do we do here in Miami? I have some thoughts on guys that I like in the fantasy landscape with Adam Gase. He had a lot of success with demarius Thomas and Ashon Jeffrey. So Devonte Parker has to be really high on that list.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Devonte Parker we. You can go back in the rookie show where we really broke him down. He's a guy that I like a lot moving forward and I think the Adam Gase hire is tremendous for Devonte Parker in the schemes and the ways that they will try and get him involved like the bubble screens they do with the Mary's Thomas freak or he did with. With Thomas frequently. And it just. It wasn't. It wasn't the best year I would say for Adam Gase in Chicago. But there was. What were you to do? Your superstar in Alshon Jeffrey is basically non existent for the year. Matt Forte gets dinged up.

[Andy Holloway]

You lost Brandon Marshall before the season. But Cutler.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. And Cutler, he really cut down on Cutler's interceptions, correct?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, down to 11. Which on the whole season for Jay Cuddy.

[Mike Wright]

I mean Jake cut. He's a guy who doesn't.

[Andy Holloway]

Three of those were week 17 so he had eight in 16 games. That is Jake.

[Mike Wright]

That is not Jay Cutler.

[Andy Holloway]

That's impressive.

[Mike Wright]

I mean he doesn't care. He's just going to throw the ball and maybe he gets intercepted, maybe doesn't. So if he's able to do that work with Jay Cutler, we have to hold out some hope for Ryan Tannehill in that department.

[Jason Moore]

I don't have very much hope for Ryan Tannehill from just a football perspective. I watched a lot of his play this year and I'm not sure if he couldn't take the step forward this year that we really hoped he would. I'm not sure what's going to happen to make him take that step forward the next year or the next year. How long do you wait for a guy to really get it and leap forward? So what he is to me something that's holding this offense back.

[Andy Holloway]

I think from a fantasy side. And you're probably. You could be very right about him. We'll get the opportunity to see it. He'll be there. You're gonna. You're going to have a lot more clarity in the offensive passing options in Miami this year, where it's a. It's a Landry and Parker show. Greg Jennings. Greg is gone and Rashad Matthews is almost assuredly gone. Will they use Jordan Cameron or did they sign him?

[Mike Wright]

I think Jordan.

[Andy Holloway]

Or did they sign him for fun?

[Mike Wright]

Jordan Cameron might be gone.

[Jason Moore]

I think he'll get cut.

[Mike Wright]

Well, he'll restructure his contract or he'll be.

[Andy Holloway]

It's very, very, very possible. So we'll see what Gase wants to do with that offense. But it's a hiring that at least has some potential because you're bringing in a guy who solves some of these issues where he. Okay, you've got it. You got a top wide receiver. Let's. Here's a guy who's had success with that. You've got a quarterback that's struggling. Here's a guy who's put that together for them. So in that sense, I like it.

[Jason Moore]

But, you know, you also have continuity that you didn't get this year because I don't think anybody thought Philbin was a good.

[Andy Holloway]

Really leader.

[Jason Moore]

Good leader, a good offensive coach for this team. And so he had the, you know, the preseason and the. And the. All the minicams and all that, and then gets fired and guns. Mahoney comes in, Dan Campbell, and he wants to completely change it, say we're a running team. Even though he's still. Didn't do it.

[Andy Holloway]

Guns Mahoney is still in the NFL, by the way.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he went to the Saints.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So just so we know where to.

[Mike Wright]

Look for the guns. If you hear clanging of weights banging together, it's because he's blasting his biceps.

[Jason Moore]

But the continuity is a very good thing for the Dolphins receiving and hopefully for Ryan Tannehill. This is because of this hire. It's like you give him one more chance to take this forward.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you have to.

[Mike Wright]

Something I do not want to gloss over is the running back position with jj. We expect Lamar Miller to be gone again, sixth in attempts. Last year in Chicago. I know they had Forte and Lankford running the show, but Adam Gaze is not opposed to running the ball. 11th and 12th as far as rushing attempts when he was in Denver as the oculus.

[Andy Holloway]

So the tragedy is if Gase is there and Lamar Miller's back, he will find ways to use him and his skill set, catching and running better than anybody's ever used Lamar before. So it could be the best destination for Lamar Miller is to stay home.

[Jason Moore]

Maybe.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it could be, but it's Unlikely.

[Jason Moore]

We'll see. And then the last coaching change of course, Jim Tomsula out, Chip Kelly in. So they just gained a head coach is all they did. They didn't lose anything. Oh, I'm sorry. I blasted Jim Tomsula last year and.

[Andy Holloway]

That'S just because he farted during that one, that interview. I mean the press conference.

[Jason Moore]

No, I'm talking last year when they hired him and we did our coach check.

[Andy Holloway]

That's just because his shirt was open and his chest hair was popping out.

[Jason Moore]

It's because he was a bad hire.

[Andy Holloway]

That's just because he's a bad coach.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, just because he was a bad coach. Now here's it's because he's Carl. I am on the From Aqua team. I am on the record.

[Mike Wright]

Stone cold luck of the week.

[Jason Moore]

I believe Chip Kelly. I believe Chip Kelly is a very good head coach, a very good offensive mind. This year things didn't work out great but you can't discount his entire body of work including two years in the NFL as a successful game, you know, winning and offensive producing coach.

[Andy Holloway]

So he, the problem with him is the alienation of players that has taken place over three years.

[Jason Moore]

But the alienation of those players, while some of those happened while he was just head coach, most of those happened once he had that role of being the gm.

[Andy Holloway]

You're talking about a fine, upstanding character in the Sean McCoy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

That was offended by Tim Kelly.

[Jason Moore]

He was offended.

[Mike Wright]

That's not, that's not working out.

[Jason Moore]

Maybe a little redemption there for Chip Kelly. The question is, can Chip Kelly do anything with the pieces? And Quan Bolden does not strike me as a Chip Kelly type of like, hey, we're going to run a bunch of extra plays and we're going to be super fast and go nonstop.

[Andy Holloway]

Why is that age?

[Mike Wright]

I think Bolden can still get it done.

[Jason Moore]

Bolden's great man.

[Andy Holloway]

I love.

[Jason Moore]

He's one of my all time favorite.

[Andy Holloway]

He's probably in better shape than Nelson Aguilar.

[Jason Moore]

That's true. I think you're a number one guy.

[Mike Wright]

And my saying that, please.

[Jason Moore]

For the record, Andy Holloway loves not.

[Andy Holloway]

As much as you like Sam Bradford.

[Mike Wright]

So a guy I'm going to throw it out now because you're going to hear me talking of him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we hate this too. We're shaking our head in disgust.

[Mike Wright]

Is is Torrey Smith and that's because I still believe in Chip Kelly as a play caller and I believe in his offenses and I know it didn't work out this year but the previous Two years. Go look at desean Jackson's numbers. Before Chip Kelly got into town, he was a good wide receiver. And around the 55% catch rate, you know, hovering just under a thousand yards, Chip Kelly gets there in his first year, Desean Jackson jumps over 120 targets. His catch rate goes to over 65%. And I think he had over 1300 yards or so.

[Jason Moore]

You're correct on all three of those.

[Mike Wright]

It just. It might not happen. But Tory Smith is a guy you're going to be able to get later in the draft. Just saying. He is right now one of my top sleeping.

[Jason Moore]

I shake my head no because of my disdain for Tory Smith this year, and I felt like I was burned by him. But I actually believe that there is a lot of logic to what you're saying. The value in a late pick, the upside of Torrey Smith, if he got involved and got targets, would. I mean, he only had 62 targets on the year.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the problem, though, guys. We're burying the lead here. The lead is Kaepernick. Can Chip Kelly make Kaepernick see a wide open Torrey Smith when no one guards him on the side of the field or not? That was the problem.

[Mike Wright]

Is it going to be Kaepernick or is it going to be Gabbard?

[Jason Moore]

I think it's going to be Kaepernick because there's a ceiling ability to run.

[Andy Holloway]

Into both of those situations. Unless you think he's going to transform one of them. He didn't transform Sam Bradford.

[Mike Wright]

He surely transformed Nick Foles.

[Andy Holloway]

That's true for a while.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

That's all I need. Give me one year.

[Andy Holloway]

So you take the historic inconsistency of Torrey Smith and you par that with the hopes of Chip Kelly transforming an inconsistent quarterback. And that's your value.

[Jason Moore]

That's a value when you can get them in late in a draft.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me just say this. I don't like the fact that you changed in the middle of this.

[Jason Moore]

I didn't change. I still can't stand the idea of drafting towards. Give me an emotional.

[Andy Holloway]

Throw those guys out. Give me Carlos Hyde. Give me a guy who's coming into Chip Kelly, who was fourth, seventh and 11th in rushing attempts in his three years in Philadelphia. Carlos Hyde, the guy that's going to be going downhill as long as he can. And I mean that in a good way down the field. Downhill, not downhill. Fantasy wise. He's going up fantasy. All right, this is confused.

[Jason Moore]

I'm with you.

[Andy Holloway]

Carlos Hyde. I like him.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

I'M completely with you too. Carlos Hyde was showed. He proved a lot of things to me last year in that limited amount of time when he was actually healthy and the team was, was not in complete disarray. And I'm with you on the Chip Kelly on the rush attempts. We saw great things happen for runners in that, in Chip Kelly's offense before this year and even, even DeMarco Murray and Ryan Matthews, they were okay.

[Andy Holloway]

They didn't produce a really important question.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, we can't, we can't forget about Chip Kelly's guy that he has already said he's very excited about at the running back position.

[Andy Holloway]

Is it a salad?

[Mike Wright]

Oh that. No.

[Jason Moore]

Nope.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Is Jared Hayes.

[Mike Wright]

He's going down under.

[Jason Moore]

The Australian rugby player.

[Andy Holloway]

If I had a dollar for every excited coach and distant third string player, I'd be really rich. They, they like all their players. The coaches like all the players on their teams when they Kelly, he gets rid of them. All right, let's move on. Maybe, maybe we'll move on.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, it was so smooth, Mailbag.

[Andy Holloway]

It tricked me because it worked. The whole show. It worked well and then the drop didn't come. So thanks for singing, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

You got it.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, so if you have a question for the show this offseason and in the regular season, go to the website the fantasy footballers.com. click submit a question. You can call our voicemail number 302464 TFFB. This voicemail question came in just before we started recording. So we'll start with this.

[Listener]

Hey guys, this is Andrew up in New Hampshire. First time listening this season. Not really a fantasy football question, but just a regular football question for you guys. Wanted to get your opinion on it. If Manning, Peyton Manning goes to the Rams, do you think there's any possibility of another Brady Manning rematch? Except this time it would be in the super bowl and how big that would be because obviously I'm a Patriots fan. So I want to get you guys a hit. Thanks a lot.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, let me, let me start by saying this. If the Patriots get to play the Rams in the super bowl, you're going to be.

[Mike Wright]

Congratulations.

[Andy Holloway]

You're going to be a really big Patriots fan. No.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Well, we found out that if Peyton.

[Andy Holloway]

Manning were not in the super bowl.

[Mike Wright]

If he was to quarterback the Rams, there is a 100% chance of that happening because they are scheduled to play each other.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that would be. That make for a nice Thursday night.

[Jason Moore]

Football and I believe there is a 100% chance of him not being on the Rams. So, yeah, he's.

[Mike Wright]

He's gonna be done.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. David in St. Louis has a question for us. Standard 12 team, league $200 auction budget, three wide receiver setup, and he's already keeping Gurley for 29 bucks. So that's the lay of the land.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

Needs help with the second keeper, guys. Amari Cooper's $24, John Brown's 12, Tavon Austin, 6. Josh Gordon 6.

[Jason Moore]

Man, if hopefully you don't have to make your decision right now, but for Josh Gordon for $6, I'm in on that. If you can't, or if you've got to make it early or if Josh Gordon doesn't get reinstated, then I think I would pony up the dough for Amari Cooper.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Cooper is my pick here.

[Mike Wright]

This is a. Huh.

[Jason Moore]

Either way, if Josh Gordon's Gordon, if.

[Andy Holloway]

You knew Gordon was back, I don't mind you doing it. But you still have a lot of uncertainty with his return that. That is just not built into Amari Cooper.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

So it would be real close then. And so that's why I say it's just going to be Cooper.

[Mike Wright]

For me, it's a two person race for me. For Gordon and Cooper, I would lean towards Gordon. If it's just a two keeper situation, I'm going to be aggressive with that of getting the value of the money, just the difference of the money for between Gordon and Cooper, because then I have more money for more opportunity during the draft.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep. All right. Ryan in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. That's national championship country.

[Mike Wright]

Ooh.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Need to know who to use his last keeper spot on. He's narrowed it down to Jarvis Landry, Alshon Jeffrey, and Martavis Bryant. Ooh. Any advice would be appreciated. And it's important to know it's a full point per reception, which makes Landry.

[Jason Moore]

Mighty nice, more valuable. But this one is easy to me. There are chances for regression. I'm curious, Landry, and you know that I'm high on Martavis Bryant, but to me, the guy's got to be Alshon Jeffrey. He is the best wide receiver of this group, and I can't imagine that he is as injured next year as he was this year.

[Andy Holloway]

There's no reason he wouldn't catch as many passes as Landry if he was healthy and he represents more touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

Remember. Remember how great Alsha?

[Andy Holloway]

Remember the Jeffrey?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you ever see that movie Denzel?

[Mike Wright]

Remember the Jeffries?

[Andy Holloway]

Remember the Jeffrey? There was a speech in that movie. It was really powerful. All right, Jeff in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Last week you guys told the truth about 2015 quarterbacks where they finished in the final rankings. Kept wondering if I had streamed a quarterback every week in 2015 like the footballers suggest, how would I have done? In other words, would your QB streamers, totaled up over the year, have finished in the 2015 rankings or of quarterbacks? And the reason I asked this is because we each had a streamer every week. So there were three per week for the entire season. And so I am putting it out there to the Foot Clan to figure that out.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, go.

[Mike Wright]

Well, you would. What we would have to do because we did not. I didn't total up where our guys finished. I know we have. We were very successful in picking our guys. One of our. Kind of the way we run it is like Andy said, we each pick one and we do that intentionally to show you that there are multiple options. We're not saying, okay, this is our guy and we're going to calculate, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

We like him more than Kirk Cousins this week.

[Mike Wright]

It's just maybe we can do that for next year.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, no, because. No, because the point is this is we might have a streamer that's Kirk Cousins, but he's available in some people's leagues and not in another person's league. And so we give you multiple options not because we think each one is equal, but because everybody's league is different and there are different guys available.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you need, you need the variety so that.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, I don't mind us saying, hey, here's our favorite guy this week. And then absence.

[Jason Moore]

We did that a little bit. This.

[Mike Wright]

I'm saying going into next year, we can do. We can everyone pick one.

[Andy Holloway]

So we have three options and one is the consensus.

[Mike Wright]

Consensus guy. And then we can figure out where he would finish.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And it was, it was a good year. You had a lot of guys that had opportunities to. Against the right defenses.

[Jason Moore]

We had several weeks where we had the number one or number two guy.

[Andy Holloway]

I tell you what, none of the teams, our listeners that won titles came to us and said, boy, it was because. It was because I took Andrew Luck in the first round and tell you what, he really cared. Unless that walked you right into Kirk Cousins or somebody.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, there were a lot of Kirk Cousins championship winners.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

And once again, just to. We'll talk about this more on the streaming quarterbacks. We recommend you take a quarterback late because they are. You can get guys late that could turn into a weekly starter.

[Andy Holloway]

Carson Palmer.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly that. That's the goal.

[Andy Holloway]

The goal is Eric Carr the goal.

[Mike Wright]

Is Carson Palmer in the 10th round or so. The goal is not just to stream because you feel cool doing it. No, you stream if that. If your first initial draft pick doesn't.

[Andy Holloway]

Pay off, if you can draft Aaron Rodgers in the third or fourth round, go do it and then play them all year. If it were me, that's fine. It's the. It's the what you're giving up for a potential failure there. All right, Jordan in Lancaster, Pennsylvania has a question. 14 man half point PPR league get to keep one keeper. Fifth round or later. Here are the options. Pick one. Thomas. Thomas. Todd Gurley and Thomas Rawls. Martavis Bryant, Gary Barnish, Dion Lewis.

[Jason Moore]

Pick one.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. What is the round, though?

[Mike Wright]

Fifth round or later? Draft position.

[Andy Holloway]

So those are options.

[Mike Wright]

We don't know the actual cost.

[Jason Moore]

He picked all these guys after the fifth, so I'm going to go Todd Gurley.

[Andy Holloway]

Even Mike would take Thomas Rawls over Gurley.

[Jason Moore]

Really?

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe I'm trying to put words in his mouth to see how he reacts.

[Mike Wright]

No, it's it. I'll take girls, but I would still go with girly in that situation.

[Andy Holloway]

I just thought I'd test it. I just wanted to see what would happen. So that does it for today's show. Again, you can go to the website, the fantasy footballers.com make sure you stay tuned for the show after the show. I don't think we know exactly what we're talking about yet, so that you.

[Jason Moore]

I got a very, very unique story to share.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that is the show. Yeah. You will not want to miss this story. I laugh.

[Mike Wright]

You're doing that story.

[Andy Holloway]

I laughed so loud that almost ruined my voice for the show because of how wonderful that is. So stay tuned. That's only on YouTube. Check us out on there. Thanks for listening to the podcast today. We'll be back next week. Have a great One Foot clan.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Have a tremendous weekend, everybody. Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

Goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

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