Fantasy Football Podcast 2016 - Fantasy Rewind, News & Notes, Mailbag

Summary

Summary of "Fantasy Football Podcast 2016 - Fantasy Rewind, News & Notes, Mailbag"

Released on August 23, 2016, by the Fantasy Footballers, this episode offers comprehensive insights into the preseason activities, player performances, and strategic advice tailored for fantasy football enthusiasts.

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Introduction

The episode kicks off with the hosts—Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright—engaging in light-hearted banter, setting an inviting and entertaining tone. They highlight the value of the Fantasy Footballers' Ultimate Draft Kit, emphasizing its utility in navigating breakouts, values, tiered rankings, and more.

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Preseason Rewind: Player Evaluations

Tight Ends Analysis

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the tight end position, sparked by a listener's question on Twitter (@axwellmorely) about the lowest ADP (Average Draft Position) tight end the hosts would be comfortable starting.

• Listener Question: "What is the lowest ADP tight end that you would be comfortable with as your starting tight end?" (02:00)

• Mike Wright's Response: "To be honest, the answer was like the 18th tight end, Zach Miller." (03:21)

• Andy Holloway's Take: He expresses a preference for starting Will Tye, suggesting flexibility in drafting based on team needs: "I would rather have DeAndre Washington and handcuff my guy or get the player in that spot if it means I'm going to end up rolling with Will Tye." (03:48)

• Jason Moore's Input: Jason remains cautious, highlighting the uncertainty surrounding Will Tye's performance: "I don't feel comfortable starting Will Tye week one." (05:09)

Running Backs Analysis

• Le'Veon Bell's Suspension: The hosts discuss the reduction of Le'Veon Bell's suspension from four to three games, debating its impact on his draft value.

  • Jason Moore: "For me, it actually changes nothing. If I was willing to take him at the back of the first, I'm not changing that." (09:40)

  • Andy Holloway: "I don't think that single game actually changes where he was in my rankings." (10:02)

• Ezekiel Elliott vs. Alfred Morris:

  • Alfred Morris's Performance: Morris shines in a preseason game, leading to speculation about Ezekiel Elliott's future impact.

    • Jason Moore: "I think that investing the fourth pick overall said and what Jerry Jones says, that Ezekiel Elliott is going to play the lion's share of the snaps... I can't even see the future of the upside of how great Elliott could look with his young legs." (22:10)

  • Mike Wright's Counterpoint: Mike argues that Morris still has significant potential and is not an aging player: "The guy is not... He's not an old player." (23:07)

Wide Receivers Highlight

• Jameson Crowder vs. Pierre Garçon:

  • Andy Holloway's Preference: "I would rather have Pierre Garcon." (20:11)

  • Jason Moore's Preference: "Right now. Crowder." (20:26)

  • Discussion: The debate centers on Crowder's target volume in PPR (Points Per Reception) leagues versus Garçon's potential for big plays.

• Torrey Smith's Role:

  • Concerns Raised: Jason expresses worry over Smith's lack of preseason targets, questioning his fantasy viability.

    • Jason Moore: "One total target is not... it's not making me feel very good right now." (41:46)

  • Andy Holloway's Response: "Are you moving him down in your rank? Because I think you've got him as like a low wide receiver." (42:27)

Quarterbacks Assessment

• Dak Prescott's Performance:

  • Andy Holloway: Highlights Prescott's impressive preseason showing, noting his leadership and efficiency.

    • "He's of all the rookie quarterbacks, he's clearly leading the pack." (25:00)

  • Mike Wright: Emphasizes Prescott's athleticism and playmaking ability.

    • "He is so strong. He's one of the best yards after the catch players in the game." (46:02)

• Jared Goff vs. Case Keenum:

  • Andy Holloway's Perspective: Discusses the uncertainty surrounding Goff and Keenum's roles, predicting a balanced split in game appearances.

    • "So it'll probably be a 50, 50 split on the game." (12:31)

  • Mike Wright's Take: Confirms a neutral stance, planning to monitor their performances closely.

Team-Specific Insights

• Washington Redskins and New York Jets:

  • Matt Jones' Injury: The injury's impact on Jones' workload and fantasy value is analyzed.

    • Jason Moore: "Matt Jones will stay where he is. I think he's going to get the predominant workload." (18:58)

  • Jameson Crowder's Potential: Emphasized as a valuable PPR option due to his increasing target count.

    • "I think the upside is there in PPR leagues for Crowder." (19:54)

• San Francisco 49ers and Kansas City Chiefs:

  • Virgil Green's Rise: His performance in preseason boosts his draft stock.

    • Jason Moore: "Absolutely." (41:23)

  • Travis Kelsey's Reliability: Highlighted as a top tight end with safe value.

    • "He is so strong. He's one of the best yards after the catch players in the game." (46:02)

• Buffalo Bills and New York Giants:

  • Running Back Battle: Discussion around Mike Gillislee vs. Reggie Bush, with Gillislee favored as the true backup.

    • Andy Holloway: "I think Gillislee is the guy who's going to be the true backup here." (31:36)

• Jacksonville Jaguars and Tampa Bay Buccaneers:

  • C.J. Spiller's Emerging Role: Evaluated as a potential late-round target due to his increased involvement.

    • Mike Wright: "If you're looking late in drafts... maybe take a flyer on a guy who, if he earns that role..." (39:56)

  • Charles Sims' Potential: Recognized as a pro-caliber running back.

    • Mike Wright: "Charles Sims looks like a pro running back to me." (35:55)

• Los Angeles Rams and Kansas City Chiefs:

  • Chris Conley's Value: Discussed as a potentially valuable wide receiver, especially in deeper leagues.

    • Jason Moore: "Absolutely." (41:17)

  • Benny Cunningham's Efficiency: Highlighted as an efficient performer in his role.

    • Andy Holloway: "He looked very, very efficient." (47:30)

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Mailbag: Listener Questions

The hosts address several listener inquiries, providing tailored advice based on current player performances and draft strategies.

1. LeGarrett Blount's Rankings Post-Dion Lewis Injury:

   • Listener: Tim from South Elgin asks why Blount's rankings only saw a slight bump following Dion Lewis's injury, despite differing roles.

   • Jason Moore's Response: "I don't think that Blount's role changes at all." (48:58)

   • Andy Holloway's Addition: "You can't necessarily know that he's going to get more carries. You can't necessarily know that the offense is going to be worse." (49:45)

2. Brandon Marshall vs. Jordy Nelson:

   • Listener: Tim from Morristown, Tennessee asks whether to keep Brandon Marshall (5th round) or Jordy Nelson (16th round).

   • Andy Holloway: "I would have to take that value with Jordy Nelson in the 16th." (50:17)

   • Jason Moore: "Yeah, I'd go Jordy." (50:36)

3. Dropping Dalton or Romo for Tyra Taylor:

   • Listener: Jeff from Pittsburgh inquires about dropping either Dalton or Romo to pick up Tyra Taylor.

   • Jason Moore's Suggestion: "I would not drop Dalton. Maybe Romo if you think that Taylor has that top eight upside." (50:52)

   • Andy Holloway: "I wouldn't predict that. I would rather have the consistency of Tony Romo and Andy Dalton." (51:24)

4. Josh Gordon's Return to the Browns:

   • Listener: Kai from Vancouver asks about trusting Josh Gordon's return to form and his draft value.

   • Jason Moore's Advice: "In a standard draft I would take Josh Gordon in the seventh round." (51:40)

   • Mike Wright's Perspective: Advocates for drafting Gordon between the sixth and eighth rounds based on team needs and risk tolerance. "If you've gone with a couple of wide receivers already, I'd rather roll the dice... on Josh Gordon." (53:46)

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Conclusion

The hosts wrap up the episode by encouraging listeners to engage with their online resources, including the Fantasy Footballers' website and Ultimate Draft Kit. They emphasize the importance of staying updated with player performances and team dynamics as the fantasy draft approaches. The camaraderie among the hosts continues, reinforcing their commitment to helping listeners excel in their fantasy leagues.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Andy Holloway on Tight Ends:

  • "I would rather have DeAndre Washington and handcuff my guy or get the player in that spot if it means I'm going to end up rolling with Will Tye." (03:48)

• Jason Moore on Le'Veon Bell:

  • "For me, it actually changes nothing." (09:40)

• Mike Wright on Travis Kelsey:

  • "He is so strong. He's one of the best yards after the catch players in the game." (46:02)

• Jason Moore on Torrey Smith:

  • "One total target is not... it's not making me feel very good right now." (41:46)

• Andy Holloway on Josh Gordon:

  • "There are plenty of guys in that range that I would take Josh Gordon over, but there are plenty of guys that there's no way I would." (53:04)

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This detailed summary captures all the critical discussions, insights, and conclusions from the podcast episode, providing a comprehensive overview for those who haven't listened. The inclusion of notable quotes with precise timestamps ensures that key points are easily referenceable.

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

Good morning, fantasy football players.

[Jason Moore]

Good morning. Good morning.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

It might not be morning where you are listening.

[Mike Wright]

My mornings have become much more exciting. I. I ordered a 40. A 40 pack of variety pack of the K cups. So every day is a new surprise. I'm trying to figure out which one's my favorite. So I've got different, different kinds every day. Today was pretty good. Today was pretty good.

[Andy Holloway]

What'd you have?

[Mike Wright]

An intimate. They have an Intamins. Yeah, they have an Intamins K cup.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

That's funny.

[Mike Wright]

Sponsor Jason himself, because his reaction and.

[Jason Moore]

Mine were exact polar opposites. Me of.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't you ruin this for me.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, no. Just that I'm unaware. Oh, I am unaware.

[Mike Wright]

Unaware.

[Jason Moore]

I am unaware of intimate coffee Intamins.

[Mike Wright]

No, it's Intamins.

[Jason Moore]

Intimate.

[Andy Holloway]

The pastry.

[Mike Wright]

All right, Well, I don't think Mike. Mike actually doesn't know something. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Today is Tuesday, August 23, 2016. We have a great show for you today. We're going through some more of the preseason action, what we saw in film. Some insight for you as you enter your draft. Guys depth chart battles, things like that. Guys that we saw stand out. Guys have to prove themselves. We have a very good show. We got all the news and notes that you could need. A good quick question. We are going to be having a lot of good episodes this week as well. Breakouts, bus sleepers, that type of thing. I have a quick question for you guys right off the bat, like we always do. This one from Twitter axwellmorely. What is the lowest ADP tight end that you would be comfortable with? What is the lowest average draft position for a tight end? So what tight end at the lowest ADP would you be comfortable with as your starting tight end? We'll do this Based on the ADP@Fantasy Football Calculator.com I looked at the list myself. The answer was like. To be honest, the answer was like the 18th tight end, Zach Miller. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

For me, I would go undrafted. I mean, I would be.

[Mike Wright]

Well, that's what that is.

[Jason Moore]

Don't steal my guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I'm going to steal your guy because I'm sure it's Will Ty.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, is it Vance McDonald.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

Vance McDonald as well.

[Andy Holloway]

Will tie. I think they're fine if I finish a draft and I've got a great team for full of depth at running back and wide receiver. And I'm going in with Will Tye, who will talk about from this last week's preseason game. I would be happy with.

[Mike Wright]

You would be. That seems like elite to say you'd be happy with.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, Ty, I think I would be okay to stream the position is and I think I can succeed there. My point being that should I be in a draft in the later rounds and say, you know a guy that you know that I really like. Dwayne Allen. Right. Maybe I'm targeting Dwayne Allen and I feel like there's still a good running back or wide receiver, a guy that really helps me. Maybe I have Latavius Murray and so I want to get DeAndre Washington on my roster, but, man, I might miss out on Dwayne Allen. I would rather have DeAndre Washington and handcuff my guy or get the player in that spot if it means I'm going to end up rolling with Will Tye. And the question was, what's the lowest. I think Will Ty is the absolute lowest quality guy that if you go into your season with, you can be fine. Does that make sense?

[Mike Wright]

It makes sense except for the Will tie part.

[Andy Holloway]

I thought.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, I think it's hard to. I would not feel comfortable with Will Ty as my tight end for the entire year because I don't know how that's shaking out yet.

[Jason Moore]

It's not. The question isn't the entire year. I thought it was leaving your draft.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's how I said lowest tight end you'd be comfortable with. So for me, I'm thinking about like starting the guy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. But I'm saying starting week one.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. I don't feel comfortable starting Will tie week one. There you go.

[Jason Moore]

So as of right now, the guys who are undrafted so I can't even tell you where they're being drafted. Vance McDonald and Virgil Green is quickly rising up my. My rankings as the targets continue to come.

[Mike Wright]

All right, couple of announcements. We have a live stream for Everybody [e-mail] taking place tomorrow.

[Andy Holloway]

Tomorrow, Tomorrow.

[Mike Wright]

So if you want to get involved with that, head over to jointhefoot.com we have a live stream once a month. You guys can just chat with us, ask any questions about your team or life or whatever. It's just kind of.

[Andy Holloway]

We actually get to ask follow up questions to the questions because it's a live chat.

[Mike Wright]

You guys have asked for the Wheel of Water app to be on Android and it's going to be on Android like in the next week for real. And so if you don't know what the Wheel of Water app is, you can go check it out on itunes. It'll be on Android here in the next couple days.

[Jason Moore]

Android people go check it out on itunes.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I guess that was ridiculous. You can check it out on Android in a couple days. It's already on itunes. It's a free app. It's just a fun way to make bets with your friends. And I have, I have a little. I have a question for Jason. Now Jason, are you, are you the champion of our league of record?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, sir.

[Mike Wright]

So let me ask you this.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't like where this is going.

[Mike Wright]

Let me ask you this, Jason. Where is the now, how long has this league been going?

[Andy Holloway]

The league has been going for many years. I would say nine fingers is what Mike has said.

[Mike Wright]

I think we're going into season nine or ten.

[Jason Moore]

We're going in ten.

[Mike Wright]

So we have nine seasons. You, you won the championship in our ninth season. One of the things that's kind of a pinnacle of our league.

[Andy Holloway]

I think I know where the is.

[Mike Wright]

I guess it's the trophy, right? Like, I mean, where's the trophy? We haven't seen the trophy lately. Where is it?

[Andy Holloway]

I took the trophy with me to Disneyland and I filmed the awesome trophy everywhere. All across, all across the land. I had Darth Vader holding it and took it with everybody.

[Mike Wright]

I got the trophy right here.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

I. If you're not on YouTube. Yeah, Mike, seeing this for the first time, I'm gonna describe what I have. I just pulled it out from below the desk. Jason doesn't know I knew about this. I'm pulling out a broken trophy. There is nobody on this is a block of wood.

[Andy Holloway]

Now my co owner has, has, has betrayed you trade.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I gone look at this trophy, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

What kind of a champion are you?

[Mike Wright]

It's a block of wood because the guy on top of the trophy is missing. Not only did he not have it where Is he.

[Andy Holloway]

He's destroyed.

[Mike Wright]

He's destroyed.

[Andy Holloway]

He cracked and came into shambles through all of our adventuring. But he'll be back.

[Mike Wright]

Clearly you have treasured your championship very little.

[Andy Holloway]

I take that trophy with me everywhere. You know, when you put your trophy in the pants, there's not a lot of room.

[Mike Wright]

All right, all right. So I thought I'd.

[Jason Moore]

I am thoroughly disgusted.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I know. We've got a block of wood for a trophy now because Jason destroyed it.

[Andy Holloway]

We'll go to Fantasy Jocks and put some.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, you know what? Can't replace our traditions with money. Jason. All right.

[Jason Moore]

No, but he can probably get us a sweet new trophy.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Jumping into the news.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the.

[Mike Wright]

We'll see if we let him win another title. Yeah, that's for sure.

[Jason Moore]

You should be just embarrassed and ashamed of yourself.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I have hidden this for a long time.

[Mike Wright]

I know. That's the part that is.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I'm gonna get it fixed and you guys would never have known. And so Michael Butler, my co owner, I'm gonna have to give some serious consideration as to whether or not he continues to be my co owner.

[Jason Moore]

So you trade me. You're saying that the co owner broke it or let Andy know that?

[Andy Holloway]

Andy.

[Mike Wright]

No, I may have retrieved it from his trunk yesterday.

[Jason Moore]

When did it break?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, it's been months.

[Andy Holloway]

Many months.

[Mike Wright]

Months ago. He has not told us.

[Jason Moore]

So this. Oh, I'm going to get it fixed before the draft.

[Andy Holloway]

That was the reason Butler had it is to fix it right now.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah, yeah. It fixed Nothing. All right. Le'Veon Bell, we somehow omitted. Omitted his suspension change from the news yesterday because we wanted to feature it today.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Three game suspension instead of a four game suspension. I've made the adjustments in my rankings. What do you think about this? Does this just make that decision so much harder? Does he belong in the back of the first round?

[Andy Holloway]

He.

[Jason Moore]

For me, it actually changes nothing. If I was willing to take him at the back of the first. I'm not changing that to say, oh, I'll take him in the middle now. It's. I'm willing to look at him in the back of the first or the beginning of the second. The going from four to three to me does not change that draft value. It really changes nothing for me.

[Mike Wright]

That seems interesting to me based on the fact he is now playing in one more game.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I think I can kind of understand what Mike is saying in the sense that what I had done over the weeks prior is I kept bumping Le'Veon Bell up while the four game suspension kept standing. I, I kept looking at my rankings and going, okay, I would take him over this guy. I would take him over marking him. I would take him over these guys. I kept moving them up and up and I got to the point where I couldn't move him up anymore. And I don't think that single game actually changes where he was in my rankings. I still would rather have those games from the guys that I have ranked above him. So it doesn't actually change my rankings much, even though it does change my year long projection.

[Mike Wright]

Does it change anything about your view of DEZ Bryant to find out he has a concussion with just a couple weeks left before the season?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's very unfortunate, but at this point I'm not worried about anything.

[Mike Wright]

All right. The 49ers head coach chip Kelly has said that Sean Drone, the big salad himself.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Is the team's number two running back. We have heard reports that he had looked pretty good in camp. It looked like Mike Davis might give him a run for his money in the preseason. Mike Davis fumbled that opportunity away quite literally. And now Sean Drones, the number two, probably the third down guy there. Does he have some sneaky value?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the big salad is a great pass catching back with Blaine Gabbard as you know, a guy that checks down to the big salad a lot. He could if he is used in that role in the third down. And we don't know yet with Chip Kelly whether that's going to be a very common thing or whether Carlos Hyde will be in on more third downs. But he does have sneaky value. I'm not sure in a, in a normal sized league if I would take him late. I think there's guys that I usually like at the end of drafts better, but if I'm in a deep league, he's worth, he's worth grabbing.

[Mike Wright]

Let me ask you this, Jason. Would you consider a regular salad to be a sneaky value?

[Andy Holloway]

No, not at all.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, just making sure. Ravens coach John Harbaugh has announced that Brashad Perryman has been removed from the PUP list.

[Jason Moore]

Congratulations, Rashad Perryman. I would love to actually see you play a game of football.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

He was running some routes off to the side today. I think I would.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. He's as far as your draft board. Am I moving him up? I'm shaking my head.

[Mike Wright]

How'd you guys stat Jared Goff and Case Keenum this year?

[Andy Holloway]

I had originally.

[Mike Wright]

Looks like Keenum's going to start.

[Andy Holloway]

I Had originally after the draft, given pretty much everything to Goff. After Hard Knocks, I gave everything to Keenum and I, you know, the reality is Keenum will start, the Rams, won't be very good. Golf will have to come in at some point through the year. Whether that's in game two or seven, we don't know. So it'll probably be a 50, 50 split on the game.

[Mike Wright]

That's exactly how I started my guys, with a 50, 50 split. All right, Kaepernick back at practice. I'm curious to see what happens in week three, but we knew he was missing some time. He should have the opportunity to play this week. Redskins coach Jay Gruden said undrafted free agent Rob Kelly will get, quote, a lot of first team reps in Matt Jones's absence.

[Jason Moore]

That means undrafted free agent Rob Kelly is playing in front of seventh round Keith Marshall.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Keith Marshall, seventh round. And this is really important. I think it's important they get a good look at him. Not so much to determine, you know, the backup order, but to take a look and see. Do we need to bring in a veteran? Do we have guys behind that? Can they need to take a look and say, okay, we've seen a little bit of what we have of Keith Marshall, but do we need to bring in a pure Thomas, something like that?

[Jason Moore]

I think that's the play here or this next guy.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I'm going to talk about Ezekiel Elliott first.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think they can get Elliott from the Cowboys.

[Mike Wright]

Jason Garrett has confirmed that Elliott will play on Thursday. So if you. Are you ready to see Eazy?

[Jason Moore]

Yes, yes, I'm ready.

[Mike Wright]

We'll talk about how the, the Cowboys looked as we go through the review here. But he's going to play. And then Carlos Williams. Carlos the. Off a cliff Carlos. He went unclaimed.

[Andy Holloway]

Surprise.

[Mike Wright]

He's a free. A complete free agent.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I was actually a little surprised that he went unclaimed. There's a couple teams I think could use him. I think that the Colts could use him. So he will be a name. He's a guy to watch for, where he goes. Could be a big fantasy impact.

[Andy Holloway]

Obviously, wherever he goes, he's going to still miss the first four games of the year and he'll probably have to get in shape before he can pass a physical.

[Mike Wright]

We actually told David Johnson the news that Carlos Williams had been cut and he was shocked, completely shocked, which I think all fantasy owners were too. I mean, just a great rookie year. What do you think of Jonathan Williams, dynasty wise, now that Carlos is out of the picture because it seemed like Carlos is the future at running back there and then boom.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, he's got some upside. He should absolutely be rostered if he wasn't and he moves up in the rankings. But I'm not moving him up considerably with Reggie Bush there with Mike Gillislee. And Shady still has plenty of life left, so Williams would have to play his way in. So before we get to the rest of the preseason rundown, we want to thank today's sponsor, Indochino. Look, fellas, we know you got to suit up, we know you got to look sharp. And Indochino is making that better and easier than ever because they're offering you an affordable custom fit suit. They are reinventing men's fashion and the made to measure suit is the best suit you're ever gonna own. Have you ever, have you owned a suit that actually fit?

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[Mike Wright]

All right, let's jump back into the preseason rewind with the disclaimer we're not overreacting. That's what we always give that tip. Right? We say you speak for yourself. Pay attention more to what you see with your eyes. Less actually just ignore the stats altogether. I was joking when we were putting the show docs together, I didn't know who won any of these games. So if you want to know the perspective, I have no clue what the records are of any team and I don't know the scores of these games. I'm watching for the players themselves, what they look like, are they playing fast, are they playing slow? How's the depth chart look? So we're going to start, we're going to jump into the Redskins and the jets game. Just the highlights in terms of the fantasy news there. Matt Jones went off the field with the shoulder injury. It's being reported that is in AC joint sprain. Is that correct?

[Jason Moore]

I believe so. But the there right now there's no concern for him to miss week one.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, so are you adjusting him in your rankings?

[Jason Moore]

I am not. Matt Jones will stay where he is. I think he's going to get the predominant workload.

[Mike Wright]

He looked okay before he got hurt too.

[Andy Holloway]

He sure did. He was hitting the holes nicely, making good moves. Much better than what we saw week one where none of the Redskins running backs were able to move. So that was nice that they made some adjustments and gave a little glimmer of hope for him to be able to live up to some expectations.

[Jason Moore]

My biggest thing that I took away from this game was Jameson Crowder looked very solid. He had an amazing catch and run on a touchdown. Ended up getting called back. But I think that ppr, folks, you got to pay attention to Crowder. I don't think that the touchdowns are going to be huge, but, you know, you're talking the realm of 75, maybe 80 catches for a guy that's going very deep in your league, there's going to be value there.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I think he is a trusted guy in that, in that rotation at wide receiver last year, he had a ton of games with five or more catches and that was his rookie season. So I think the upside is there in PPR leagues for Crowder. I think it's good that you brought him up. Mike, as another name, would you rather.

[Andy Holloway]

Have Crowder or Pierre Garcon?

[Mike Wright]

I would rather have Pierre Garcon.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Right now in a dynasty, it's Crowder. Yeah. For sure.

[Mike Wright]

Here's the real question. In a redraft, would you rather have Josh Dachshund or Jameson Crowder In a redraft?

[Andy Holloway]

Right. Crowder.

[Jason Moore]

Right now.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. Bilal Powell played well. Yeah, we know that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Crowder. It's crowd, eh, Sorry. No, it's not.

[Andy Holloway]

I like it.

[Mike Wright]

Bilal Powell looked pretty good in this game.

[Jason Moore]

Who wrote this note?

[Mike Wright]

Why? What does the note say?

[Jason Moore]

Powell looks dandy as candy.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He did look very good. He got some yards after contact. He was, he was able to go out in space. He was able to go up the middle. We all, we know he's a good pass catching back. So, you know, there's been a lot of reports of, you know, is there going to be a, you know, close to a 50, 50 timeshare with, with forte and Powell.

[Mike Wright]

Forte's been hurt.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So this, this next week, in week three will be important to see, but we know Powell is capable and can get very capable.

[Jason Moore]

Love him. Late.

[Mike Wright]

I wanted to give you the ADP of Powell versus Forte. Forte. So give me just a second to grab that. I'm curious. I'm guessing you're taking Powell in that situation.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah. Between the Valley, he's going in the.

[Mike Wright]

Ninth, Forte's going in the fourth now.

[Jason Moore]

I think Forte's been going right around there. I'm actually more surprised at the. The ninth for Powell. He must be rising.

[Mike Wright]

Matt Forte or.

[Jason Moore]

See, that's the bigger question.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Matt Forte or Arian Foster?

[Jason Moore]

Forte.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. Matt Forte or Jonathan Stewart?

[Jason Moore]

Stuart.

[Mike Wright]

Matt Forte or Jeremy Langford?

[Jason Moore]

That's a tough one.

[Andy Holloway]

I would go Langford.

[Jason Moore]

I think I'd go Langford right now.

[Mike Wright]

Matt Forte or Ryan Matthews.

[Jason Moore]

Matthews.

[Mike Wright]

All right, moving on, Cowboys and Dolphins. Alfred Morris ran wild in this game.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I loved it. The Butler look. I've always liked Alfred Morris. I thought he got an unfair shake there in his last season in Washington. And we actually. We have a different takeaway from this.

[Mike Wright]

You're talking about Alfred Morris versus Jason and myself.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, I think that we were talking about this before the show. The way I view it, Alfred Morris looked fantastic. To me, that just speaks to how amazing Ezekiel Elliott is going to be for fantasy football. Because I think that investing the fourth pick overall said and what Jerry Jones says, that Ezekiel Elliott is going to play the lion's share of the snaps and they made old man McFadden the fourth best rusher in the league last year. Alfred Morris looks completely back. And so I can't even see the future of the upside of how great Elliott could look with his young legs. And his legs are much younger than the rest of his body.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, legs are 12 years old. No, I don't. I don't have that perspective. Yeah, formally, I disagree. I think that Alfred Morris showed a lot left in the tank. The guy is not. He's not an old player. And they. Did you talk about the investment they made? They invested in Alfred Morris in this offseason? Yes. And I think when you, if you have that kind of productivity, if you put him out on the field and he is productive, why not take the load off of Ezekiel Elliott?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And because it's Jerry Jones.

[Mike Wright]

Well, yeah, but Jerry Jones signed Alfred Morris. I mean, there, there are report. Look, if you look through the beat writers in Dallas, there are those that believe you should be starting Alfred Morris. Hmm.

[Jason Moore]

That's. I had those. So then the question.

[Mike Wright]

But I'm just saying I think there will be a little bit of work.

[Jason Moore]

The question for Morris, is Elliot Worth that middle to late first round pick for you or is the resurgence of Alfred Morris pushing him back for you? Two of you're going to be hands off.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not making any adjustment to where I have Zeke. People question my Ezekiel Elliott ranking every day. They do. I have them I think at like 11, I think so.

[Jason Moore]

You're a terrible human.

[Mike Wright]

I'm a terrible human being for ranking in that low. That's where I have them. So for me, I don't adjust him for somebody that has Ezekiel Elliott at like number one or two. Watch the game on Thursday. You don't have to make the decision today.

[Jason Moore]

Some people do. Some people are drafting another thing I.

[Andy Holloway]

Would point out from this game we. We had said last week we wanted to come and see if Dak Prescott could do it again. Granted, this time it was not against the ones, but he had another great game. So if you're in a dynasty league and you don't have a good quarterback situation, Tony Romo is not going to be there forever. I think he's a good stash opportunity in case he ends up being the real deal.

[Mike Wright]

Everybody wanted us to talk about Dak as well.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what I said.

[Mike Wright]

No, I know Dak.

[Jason Moore]

Dak.

[Mike Wright]

What do you mean? I'm saying everybody. That was another guy that everybody kept bringing up to talk about.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, well, I mean, when you play as lights out as he's been in the preseason, he did have an interception that was on him. That an away from the ball foul kind of gave him that one over. And then he went down and scored a touchdown on that drive. But he has looked really good. He's of all the rookie quarterbacks, he's clearly leading the pack. He's ahead of the game. Right.

[Jason Moore]

The last thing I wanted to point out was the Jordan Cameron goal line target. He did not haul it in, but they lined him out. I think he was in the slot, but it was just. It looked very reminiscent of some Julius Thomas in Denver action of calling the goal line to the tight end. So just. I know that the notes on him and camp have been terrible. I'm just pointing out that the tight end usage for the Dolphins After Week 1 or 2 might be something we got to jump in on also.

[Andy Holloway]

Not enough. I mean, two carries for Arian Foster, they did not look good, but, you know, that was the offensive line.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not sad at all.

[Andy Holloway]

This coming week. Adam Gase is saying that he's going to give Aaron Foster a lot of work and I think we need to keep an eye on that. That's going to be one thing I'm going into this coming week. Really looking at. How does he look? Does he pass the eyeball test on the ground?

[Mike Wright]

What about in the air?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he's. I think he. When you get him in space and you. I mean, look at last year for the Texans. He was great through the air, but he wasn't the same when he was behind the line of scrimmage and getting the ball handed off. He couldn't run away from guys. You get him in space, he's. I have much more confidence there.

[Mike Wright]

All right. The Panthers played the Titans. We talked at length about Tajie Sharp yesterday. You can go back and listen to that discussion. Just the fact he's moved up the depth chart. He seems to have the confidence of Marcus Mariota and so he may be the, the best of the worst wide receiving core in the, in the league in terms of fantasy production, not necessarily skill. Just because last year, I mean they didn't produce. Jason said it on the show yesterday, they didn't produce one top 50. Well, they did wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

They didn't produce. And it's very clear from the coaching staff this season that they want to run, run and run some more.

[Mike Wright]

Oh yeah. And that's what I'd be doing too. All right. So to me, I talked to these guys last week. I adjusted my quarterback rankings for a good part of the offseason. I had Russell Wilson number one. I had Cam Newton regressing a little bit. I think that's a very reasonable perspective on Cam Newton. I have come around two weeks ago or I changed my rankings. Cam Newton was number one. I watched this game, the Panthers and Titans. I affirmed in my belief that Cam Newton will be the number one quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

I tried to get a water bet of you Cam Newton versus the field. But you said no.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, because you always take bets that are blank versus the field. Yeah, I, Kelvin Benjamin looked huge and in a good way as like a big bodied going to win at the point of attack.

[Jason Moore]

Not Lacy huge.

[Mike Wright]

Not Carlos Williams huge.

[Jason Moore]

Vertically. Vertically huge.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he just looked tall. I mean he looked like a big outside wide receiver like they finally have, you know, Ted Ginn made a huge play like he's going to do because he's going to get the ball in space against DBs that are the covering the third or fourth wide receiver and Gin can run away from anybody in the league, you know. And I just think the weapons are there for Cam. I saw, I just saw Cam Newton. I don't, I don't see any problem with him repeating what he did last year. I really don't. And maybe that's, you know, very vanilla for the perspective out there. I don't really care. I want to be accurate and I think that's the most accurate thing. I really do care.

[Jason Moore]

I like vanilla.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, vanilla's delicious.

[Andy Holloway]

From, from just a fantasy outlook going forward. I still think that for him to stay as efficient as he was last year with the 27th passing attempts, I just can't see that repeating. But he did look as he, as he is incredibly strong. He fires a rocket.

[Mike Wright]

Don't you think the passing attempts can come up though? Yeah, you don't have to be as efficient.

[Andy Holloway]

I think they will have to come up a little bit.

[Mike Wright]

But Josh Norman's not there anymore.

[Andy Holloway]

You would still have to be so incredible. I mean his efficiency was, was not good. It wasn't like, oh, he was really efficient. It was like historic. I mean the, the amount of touchdowns versus passes was.

[Mike Wright]

I'll give you a top two bet if you want it.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll take the top two bet.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Water bet.

[Jason Moore]

You guys could do that on Android next week.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, we'll have to wait till after the season there. But the one thing I do want to point out that I was happy to see, I came looking for because last year Kelvin Benjamin wasn't around. You want to know is he looking for him? It was his first read every time he was really trying to go at Kelvin Benjamin. So that, that kind of gave me a little bit more confidence in him being the number one in the offense.

[Mike Wright]

Is Derek Henry a handcuff or a handcuff?

[Jason Moore]

I think Derek Henry might be his own guy. I think he might just have standalone value.

[Mike Wright]

8 to 10 carries a game is what I would expect from him.

[Andy Holloway]

I agree. But I do think from what we're seeing on film can I make. I agree. I think he's a handcuff.

[Mike Wright]

Oh yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Because should DeMarco Murray go down as Mike just said they want to run, run, run the ball and then he's the guy.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Let's talk about the Bills Giants game. We talked about well Ty earlier. I have a note here. Two early targets started the game. We know there's a battle between him and Donnell. I think Mike and I have been of the opinion that Ty is more talented. However I did say look I, I'm not confident enough in the way they're going to roll these guys out because I think both guys will be involved. Do you have different opinions about Will Ty?

[Jason Moore]

I like him. I'm. I'm comfortable punting tight ended in starting the year with Will Ty. The. The two early targets was. Was great news for me that, that I think that they will look for him frequently and we've seen Eli in the past. He likes to get the tight ends involved. I think that Ty is just a better pass catching tight end than Donnell and I think that the cream will rise to the top there.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, if week three comes out and Donnell starts the game as ahead of Will Ty it'll completely change. But if what happens as expected and we come out and will tie is the guy in that role to start the game then I'm confident in Ty.

[Mike Wright]

All right, Is it Reggie Bush or Mike Gillislee behind LaShawn McCoy in, in.

[Andy Holloway]

Buffalo now it's Gillislee and Reggie Bush is a big, you know, they like him. They brought him in. He looked rusty to me and granted he should be, but I mean, there were, there were a couple plays where he just couldn't hold on to the ball and I expect that to be done away with. But I think Gillislee is the guy who's going to be the true backup here.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, anything else from this game you guys want to discuss?

[Jason Moore]

Nap all right.

[Mike Wright]

The Ravens and the Colts. I, you know, Mike mentioned Carlos Williams and the fact that Colts could be a candidate for him. Right now they have Josh Ferguson and they have Robert Turban behind Frank Gore. You know, he may not be flashy, but I just don't know how Frank Gore leaves the field. He is the only guy there that can, in my opinion, can pass protect for your franchise that you just paid ten bazillion dollars to. Andrew Luck. Frank Gore is a past protector, even if he's not extremely productive from an efficiency standpoint. I think the volume is just there for Frank Gore and he looked okay to me. I just, I don't want to draft him, but I think you can, which is, I think what's like written next to, what's written next to his name for the last five years is what I was getting at.

[Andy Holloway]

He always over produces expectations. He's done it forever.

[Mike Wright]

But he's really good at getting your.

[Andy Holloway]

Expectations, which is great for average draft position. Frank Gore right now is being drafted behind D'Angelo Williams and that's ridiculous. That's patently absurd to me because Frank Gore is the starting running back, the only running option for a high powered offense or you've got a guy who's going to play three games and then be a backup and a handcuff on your bench. I would. I think that's ridiculous.

[Mike Wright]

Us all right. Philip Dorsett looked good. We talked about the three wide sets for the Colts. So pay attention to that. You know, a lot of the blurbs here are more Pay attention to versus.

[Jason Moore]

Well, that's all you can really do.

[Andy Holloway]

In the preseason, especially in week two. It's. These shows are almost frustrating to us because we want to give you a lot of insight, but we don't really, because if you take too much from these preseason games and talk about every player, then we're just going to end up overreacting, making bad decisions. We've got to go back, take little tiny nuggets, touch on them and that's all we can do in week two.

[Mike Wright]

All right, we've got the. The Raven side of the ball.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it was a split. Justin Forsett and Buck Allen kind of took turns.

[Mike Wright]

Well. And west was out there with the first team before he jammed his thumb.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, but he came in after Forsett and Allen were kind of doing their thing.

[Mike Wright]

He did.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I just mean he did come out with the first.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Mike Wright]

The starter.

[Jason Moore]

Sure. I'm still on the Justin for set camp. I haven't seen anything to change my mind.

[Mike Wright]

The fact he ran 5 for 11 yards didn't change my.

[Jason Moore]

Nope. We just said don't pay attention to the stat box.

[Andy Holloway]

If you go back and look at.

[Mike Wright]

That was a test, Mike. I only pay attention to stats like that when it's a player I don't like and I need to validate my opinion.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the nice.

[Mike Wright]

Just like Jason said that Reggie Bush was quote, rusty but Arian Foster sucks.

[Andy Holloway]

I was.

[Jason Moore]

I was going to say. So the Aaron Foster stat line didn't concern you?

[Mike Wright]

No, it didn't.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, the nice thing is Rusty in the last month, Justin for set's not rusty.

[Jason Moore]

No, he's on a broken arm.

[Mike Wright]

Five carries. It's innumerably more.

[Andy Holloway]

Justin for set has been dropping like a rock. He went from the seventh. He's now in the eighth.

[Mike Wright]

In your mind.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I'm saying on average draft position. So at some point, you know, if you're getting Justin for set in the ninth round, the guy.

[Mike Wright]

I know you're right that he's going.

[Andy Holloway]

Around side is there.

[Mike Wright]

Of course we want to be accurate and I think Justin Porcette has a great opportunity to return better than that draft value.

[Jason Moore]

And if you're saying like, well, I'm going to take a chance on West, I'm going to take a chance on Dixon, I'm taking the chance on Buck Allen over those guys.

[Andy Holloway]

I agree.

[Mike Wright]

All right. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Jacksonville Jaguars. I'm going to try to pronounce it.

[Andy Holloway]

Nailed it.

[Mike Wright]

Every single time on purpose. I watched this game very closely. Jameis Winston just plain old had a very, very bad game. Very inaccurate. He definitely looks like he is in better shape than last year. That is plain to see. To me, what stood out of this game was Charles Sims looks like a pro running back to me.

[Jason Moore]

Love Sims.

[Mike Wright]

Jason is laughing. Should I ask why?

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. I'm laughing because I'm looking and reading through your show notes, Andy, and I see Gus looks Amazing. Gus Bradley.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Gus Bradley looked really good in this.

[Jason Moore]

We have a note.

[Mike Wright]

That's what. That's the note, right?

[Andy Holloway]

That's funny.

[Mike Wright]

I got my Gus Bradley autograph photograph, which you can see.

[Andy Holloway]

It's his monitor. As if this is a family member.

[Mike Wright]

Sure. Like if I had a. Like I was in Top Gun and I had to, you know, had to put a little picture by the window in case something goes bad. It's Gus.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Or it's Arian. It's hard to decide. But let's, let's stay on the bucks here for a second. We saw a very inaccurate Winston. I saw the ups and downs that we saw last year of Mike Evans, but he caught a touchdown pass, which, hey, we're just going to hope that catching a touchdown pass means a sign of positive regression for Mike Evans, that he'll be heading back towards a double digit or close to it touchdown season.

[Jason Moore]

That's what I'm buying.

[Mike Wright]

I watched very closely the running back situation in Jacksonville as I've been doing all preseason in camp. Yelden started, Yelden was out there consistently. I would take Yelden in half point and full point leagues without question over Ivory. Ivory looks fine and Ivory will score and Ivory will be out there in probably a 50, 50 split. So if you want, if you have a really strong opinion about one guy, say, just go with it. To me, Yelden looked good, ran well. Ivory looked good, ran hard.

[Andy Holloway]

There has been as close to a 50, 50 that you can get with these two guys. I think I saw stats somewhere where it was like they have the same rushing attempts, the same snaps, the same, just about everything across the board other than goal line carries.

[Mike Wright]

What about receptions?

[Andy Holloway]

I assume Ivory has more. I don't have that.

[Mike Wright]

So for me, that's how, I mean, that's how I break it down. Their adp. I guess I should pull that up here.

[Jason Moore]

Say, I'm really waiting for week three. I want to see what happens when the starters are out there for a very long time to see what happens for Yelden and Ivory.

[Mike Wright]

Guess the ADP though. The average opposition.

[Jason Moore]

What standard.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, between the two.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I bet they're. Let's see. They're both, I'm gonna say, in the sixth round.

[Andy Holloway]

No, one of them is.

[Mike Wright]

Yelden's almost a ninth round pick. Ivory is a six round pick.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

It has gone too far.

[Mike Wright]

It has gone.

[Jason Moore]

I can actually get on. Yell them for that.

[Mike Wright]

All right. I agree. Texans, Saints. I want to know, plain and simple, the headline of this game. It's on The Saint side of the ball.

[Jason Moore]

We.

[Mike Wright]

We have to talk about C.J. spiller.

[Jason Moore]

Fair.

[Mike Wright]

You have to talk about him. You cannot discuss guys like. Like Sims. Spiller was signed last offseason. Something was wrong physically. He was out there a ton in this game. He got a ton of reps, played on a lot of third downs, saw him line up in the slot a lot. We, you know, you talk about why you like Kobe Fleena. Why do you like Kobe Fleena?

[Jason Moore]

Because the tight end for the Saints has been a predominant position for years.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And the exact same thing exists for the passing down back in New Orleans, whether it's been Push or Pierre Thomas or Ivory. Not Ivory, I'm sorry, Ingram last year or anybody. Sprols.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

So if Spiller's healthy and he looked fast. I mean, he still looked like Spiller, but he looked fast. Caught it out of the backfield. How is he not on the board?

[Andy Holloway]

When we had Willie Snead on the show early in the off season and we were asking about, you know, he had just gotten back, I believe, from San Diego where he was working with Drew Brees and some other guys were down there, and we asked him, who is that guy this year that's going to support. Surprise us. His name, which surprised us, was CJ Spiller.

[Mike Wright]

Listen to this. Listen to this sound. You hear that sound?

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's.

[Mike Wright]

That's what happens when you try to search for CJ Spiller's name on a draft board. You don't find it anywhere. So if you're looking, if you're looking late in drafts, 14 team leagues, things like that, maybe take a flyer on a guy who, if he, if he earns that role and Ingram hasn't been a super healthy guy, they may want to keep Ingram in, in good health. I'm just saying.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, a late name to monitor.

[Mike Wright]

It's. That's all it is.

[Andy Holloway]

It's all it is.

[Mike Wright]

But I mean, seeing him out there, you didn't see that last preseason. He wasn't even out there on the other side of the ball. Osweiler was very up and down. To me, he was very hot and cold. I thought that both quarterbacks had bad decisions that they made. Breeze had a bad decision game. Talk about Braxton Miller. Is Braxton Miller a flyer? As you know, that wide receiver three.

[Andy Holloway]

I would rather take the flyer on Will Fuller just because you're going to have the large chunk plays, I think, and I think in two wide receiver sets, that appears to be the guy, but it's not Jalen strong, as we thought coming in this offseason. Braxton, Miller and Will Fuller, those two rookies are running ahead of them, and it seems like that's going to stick.

[Mike Wright]

The 49ers played the Broncos. Mike, I feel like this game is all about you, buddy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

We've got Virgil Green.

[Jason Moore]

Yep. Love it. He was getting targeted.

[Mike Wright]

Four catches, right? I don't. Four for four.

[Jason Moore]

I believe so Maybe I don't have the stat. I believe he.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, I believe he had four targets, four receptions.

[Mike Wright]

So he's moving up your board, you said.

[Jason Moore]

Absolutely.

[Mike Wright]

Let's get to the big news here. I want to know your opinion on this. Torrey Smith, through two games, is yet to catch a pass. Gabbard has thrown the ball 19 times. Only one of those targets was to Torrey Smith. I know he's a sleeper candidate for you. I know you've been a big advocate of Torrey Smith kind of coming back to form this year. Any concern?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's very worrisome. I. Why I liked Torrey Smith. I think that he's talented and. And I felt that he would get a ton of targets. I mean, we're just through a little bit of the preseason, but one total target is not. It's not making me feel very good right now. The good thing about Torrey Smith is he is much later on in the draft. I'm still comfortable taking a flyer on him for his average draft position even one round early, because of what I believe he can become, which is the upside is there's not players with that type of ceiling going in that range in the draft.

[Andy Holloway]

But.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you moving him down in your rank? Because I think you've got him as like a low wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

I have him as a low wide receiver, too. Right now. I will wait until game three, but if game three, this continues of not getting him targets, then I have no choice but to move him down.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And do you remember this entire off season when I've said you're crazy for that? Just throwing that out there. Okay, moving along.

[Mike Wright]

Why don't you speak to the rest of the players in that game? Anybody else stand out to you?

[Andy Holloway]

Vance McDonald is a guy. To me, that has to be this year's Gary Barnage. He is involved. He looks good. He can catch, he can run. He could do everything. The tight end is used in Chip Kelly's system.

[Jason Moore]

So is the wide receiver one who's supposed to be Torrey Smith? Blake Gabbard, killing me.

[Mike Wright]

Hey, that's cuz Kaepernick Needs to start.

[Jason Moore]

If I, if it takes Kaepernick to get Torres with the ball, then that's what we're doing.

[Mike Wright]

You hear me? Your microphone is bouncing around. You just threw it around.

[Andy Holloway]

He's. He's very upset over here.

[Mike Wright]

I want to remind people the reason Vance McDonald is this level of value right now is because he got concussed in the end of last year. He was ascending last year with Gabbard. At the end of the season, people picked him up and played him and then he got concussed in the beginning of the game and missed a couple games. Fell off the radar. But he would have been one of those names we would have been hyping up had he just not been concussed. So let's, let's move on here. The last game, I want to talk about the Los Angeles Rams and the Kansas City Chiefs. I watched this one very closely as well. I wanted to see what Chris Conley looked like on the Kansas City side. I wanted to get a gauge of Travis Kelsey, who I have very highly ranked. If you watch this game, this was the Jeremy Macklin before he was ejected and Travis Kelsey show it was target after target after target to those two guys. Alex Smith is Alex Smith. It's. It's like I look up. If the target's there, I throw the ball. If not, I'm pretty much like pulling my head down into the pocket and running the ball. That being said, Macklin and Kelsey were super productive. I feel really good about those two guys, Jason and I. I think we've made ourselves a little waterbed about the consistency of Jeremy Macklin. So as long as he's not ejected, I'm feeling pretty good about that.

[Andy Holloway]

I still feel good about the bet. The fact that I think he is up and down. Had too many games with less than five receptions last year. But it is nice. I mean, you know, he is the number one for this team. That is always a nice position to have. I think Macklin is a value for where he's going in the draft. So I don't want our water bet to make people think I wouldn't like Macklin on my roster. I think Macklin is a good fantasy play this year and Kelsey coming into last season was one of the guys that we were the highest on. If a couple of touchdowns went his way, then he would have nailed that expectation. So he is really one of those post hype sleepers where his value is not where it could be. And maybe we were one year too early on Kelsey, he is when it comes to a physical talent, you could see it on the field. He is a Gronkian specimen. He's just a gigantic beast of a human being and he can make plays.

[Mike Wright]

If you just need to understand the difference of Kelsey athletically than somebody else, go watch his first catch in the game. It's a simple screen pass to Travis Kelsey where he does some things to juke a couple guys and gain an extra five yards. He is so strong. He's one of the best yards after the catch players in the game. And so I think, I think Kelsey is a very, very safe tight end value.

[Andy Holloway]

If Kelsey was on the Patriots, he would be going in the, in the first round. He is talented enough.

[Mike Wright]

I agree. All right, so Todd Gurley looked good to me in this game. I want to circle back to Chris Conley. I think he's the two there in Kansas City. He seems like, you know, he caught a deep pass from Alex Smith. Do you guys have any strong feelings about Conley and his value?

[Jason Moore]

I was gonna say, but does the wide receiver 2 in Kansas City hack actually have week to week fantasy value?

[Andy Holloway]

That's how I feel.

[Mike Wright]

There were times. No, not really, but. But there are. There was week to week starts with those guys. Albert Wilson last year produced at times. So I wanted his name out there in deeper leagues. If we didn't need another tight end to talk about. Well, you've got one in my opinion. I think, I think Lance Kendricks. You don't even mention Lance Kendrick's name. But he does not have Jared Cook there anymore. So I think Lance Kendricks is another guy at the bottom of the tight end barrel that you probably will see some productive games out of. You don't have a lot of wide receivers to go to there. Kendricks got in the end zone last year at times, even with Cook there. Just throwing the name out there.

[Jason Moore]

Sure, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Names. We have names we haven't said on the show. That's one of them.

[Jason Moore]

We could, we could play that game.

[Mike Wright]

Benny Cunningham now there.

[Jason Moore]

Now we're speaking my language. Benny Cunningham speaking my language.

[Andy Holloway]

With Benny Cunningham, I think he's looked very, very efficient. He surprised me these first two preseason games where when he's had the ball in his hands, he's done good things with them.

[Jason Moore]

Now it surprises me that you're surprised because Benny Cunningham has been great. He has been great in that role.

[Andy Holloway]

The past catching back as the past catching back. I agree. But I'm talking about when he's been getting handoffs. Getting handoffs. He's he's, he's looked.

[Jason Moore]

Benny Cunningham is look. I think that the Rams are going to use Benny Cunningham to a frustrating level on third down for Todd Gurley. Owners.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, you might be right. We'll see. That won't. I don't think that'll matter to the bottom line for Todd Gurley, but it will be one of those eye roll things where you're kind of just you wish you had that every. It's kind of like Adrian Peterson last year, right? People hoped Adrian Peterson was a 1, 2, 3 every down back didn't really hurt his value but you just, it could have made him otherworldly, otherworldly Asiata really. Yeah. Derek McKinnon. All right, we're going to jump into the mailbag, answer some listener questions.

[Andy Holloway]

Mailbag.

[Mike Wright]

All right. If you have a question for the show, head over to the fantasy footballers.com click the submit a question button or you can dial our voicemail hotline. 302464 TFFB. Leave us a question there. This question comes in from Tim in South Elgin. He said, I only noticed a slight bump in LeGarrett Blunt's rankings following the Dion Lewis news. Why is that? I understand that Lewis and Blunt have very different roles, but don't you think Blunt could see an increased workload with the loss of another play playmaker out of the backfield? What is your response to this inquiry?

[Jason Moore]

It's a very fair question but for me it's it once Dion Lewis went out, I don't feel, I feel like James White, you go look back at his box score and his usage. Once box once White was acclimated to the games, he was actually up at the at those levels that Dion Lewis and I'm talking about targets, I'm not talking about full on production because he's not Dion Lewis is a much better player than James White. However, the targets, the catches once he was really getting going. Look, I'm pulling it up right now so you have a ten catch game, four, seven, five and then and closes out with two. But so to me nothing changes. Like I don't think that Blunt role.

[Andy Holloway]

Doesn'T change at all.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

That's where I was trying to mess whatever extra carries he might get. You could also argue the offense takes a step back losing Dion Lewis. So it's like, you know, to me it's a wash. You can't necessarily know that he's going to get more carries. You can't necessarily know that the offense is going to be worse. But it's not his role. It's really James White and a completely different situation.

[Mike Wright]

Tim in Morristown, Tennessee says, Do I keep Brandon Marshall with a 5th rounder or Jordy Nelson with a 16th rounder?

[Andy Holloway]

Who that is, that's, that's tough. But I think I would have to take that value with Jordy Nelson in the 16th. There's risk to Jordy right now and there's not to Brandon Marshall. But the risk goes away when I'm not risking any draft capital whatsoever with my last pick in the draft.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'd go Jordy.

[Mike Wright]

I would as well. Late quarterback question from Jeff in Pittsburgh. He said in my ten man half point league he has Dalton and Romo. However, Tyra Taylor is available on waivers. Should he drop either Dalton or Romo to pick up Tyrette Taylor.

[Jason Moore]

Ooh, that's. I would not drop Dalton. Maybe Romo just if you're trying, if you think that Taylor has that top eight upside which he's got it. I mean he had, he had the most rushing yards per game on a per game basis for the quarterback. So it's, it's very possible. But man, I agree, it's possible.

[Andy Holloway]

I think I would just stay, I think, I think it's possible that he finishes ahead but I wouldn't predict that. I would rather have the consistency of Tony Romo and Andy Dalton.

[Mike Wright]

I side on that side as well. Kai in Vancouver says with Josh Gordon back on the Browns roster, losing weight, running with the first team, do we really trust or do we trust a 25 year old pro Bowler to return to form? Where should he be going in a standard draft?

[Jason Moore]

In a standard draft I would take Josh Gordon in the seventh round.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not sure I would take him in the seventh round. I think that is about where he will end up going. He should be able to return to form, but you're missing, you're missing several games. You don't know how the target shares are going to be split up. When Josh Gordon was there, he was it. You know what I mean? And we just talked about the other day how now it seems like there are more targets to go around. Gary Barnage is going to get targets, Corey Coleman's going to get targets. You know, Terrell Pryor is going to get targets. So now it's.

[Mike Wright]

He's going to get target.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, he's going to get, he's going to get two target, one catch, 40 yards.

[Jason Moore]

I thought he was getting.

[Mike Wright]

Here's the.

[Jason Moore]

Giving him a franchise store in my head.

[Mike Wright]

I said I would take Josh Gordon in the sixth round. And I still, I don't mind you doing that in the sixth round, though. You're saying Josh Gordon over John Brown.

[Andy Holloway]

Tyler Lock and Alan Jones. I'm not doing any of that.

[Mike Wright]

I would consider taking him over Alan Hearns.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would too.

[Mike Wright]

I would consider taking him over Jordan. I would definitely take him over Jordan Matthews. But I see the debate there. There's several guys that I'd much rather, you know, Emmanuel Sanders or Josh Gordon.

[Andy Holloway]

There are plenty of guys in that range that I would take Josh Gordon over, but there are plenty of guys that there's no way I would. And so I'm probably not.

[Mike Wright]

Don't you. Doesn't it. See, here's what I think. Here's how you draft Jeff Gordon. I think he belongs in the sixth through the eighth round. And I think it depends on what those first five picks are for. You are, I think if you've gone with a couple of wide receivers already, I'd rather roll the dice personally on maybe getting a one like a super one out of Josh Gordon. But if I'm drafting there and I'm going, I need to fill in my two spot because I went tight end or I went running back heavy, I'm probably going to play a John, a John Brown or I'm going to play even maybe an Alan Hearns for that safety net versus the risk of Josh Gordon because even if Gordon is healthy and targeted a bunch, you still have to bake in the risk.

[Andy Holloway]

Completely agree. And it's so important to bring that up as people are drafted. This is draft season. The rankings are, you know, that's the order of which we think guys will finish. But I'll take my own personal rankings that I have started out. And when I'm in a draft based on my team makeup, I might go out of order on the rankings because these players are different. They're not just numbers at the end of the year. It's are they boom bust guys? Are they consistent? What does my team need think about?

[Mike Wright]

And that's why we don't put what round you should take a guy in that doesn't go into the, into the picture of the rankings. We don't say you must take this guy in this round because it really is your team is dependent and whether you think guys can. Can roll back to you as well. So that is it for today's mailbag section. We covered the rest of the preseason games. Very excited for preseason week three and very excited for our sleepers, our breakouts, our bus episode we got tight ends we still need to cover. Lots going on. Definitely check out the website. We're releasing articles all the time. There's a really good one recently by Ben Cummins about who's this year's Devontae Freeman. He gives you, I believe, nine different possibilities for that. So a lot of good free content on the website and got the newsletter and things like that. Definitely check out the ultimate draft kit@ultimate draft kit.com and share your feedback with us on Twitter ffballers. We're always listening, trying to make your season the very best.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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