Fantasy Football Podcast 2016 - Listener Mailbag Episode, Keeper Questions

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast - Listener Mailbag Episode, Keeper Questions (April 14, 2016)

Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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1. Introduction

The episode kicks off with the hosts engaging in their usual banter, setting a lively tone for the show. Andy Holloway briefly mentions an advertisement for PristineAuction.com, promoting their authentic sports memorabilia auctions.

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2. Josh Gordon's Reinstatement Denial

[04:30] Andy Holloway:
"Josh Gordon's petition to be reinstated to the NFL has been denied."

The hosts dive into the latest news regarding Josh Gordon, whose petition for reinstatement to the NFL has been denied. Andy expresses strong disappointment, emphasizing the responsibility athletes have given their platforms:

Andy Holloway:
"I genuinely hate to scold any of these athletes... you are given an opportunity that one in a billion get."
[05:24]

Jason Moore and Mike Wright discuss the implications of Gordon's situation on fantasy football teams, debating whether to hold onto him in keeper leagues or to drop him given the uncertainty of his future.

Jason Moore:
"If I could answer the Johnny Manziel question, that'd be a lot easier... But for Gordon, man, I think he's obviously going to get another chance."
[06:25]

Mike advocates for holding onto Gordon due to his potential reinstatement, while Andy predicts limited playtime this season, suggesting he might appear in only 12 to 14 games.

Andy Holloway:
"I will predict that he plays in 12 to 14 games this year..."
[07:05]

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3. Listener Mailbag Questions

The bulk of the episode revolves around answering listener-submitted questions. Here's a breakdown of the key topics addressed:

a. Keeper League Strategies

Listener from the UK ([10:47]):
"In our keeper league, you can keep between zero and four players..."

The question centers on adjusting keeper rounds to reflect the original draft rounds of kept players. The hosts recommend involving the league in a democratic vote to switch formats and suggest adjusting keeper values based on Average Draft Position (ADP).

Jason Moore:
"You just wouldn't win a championship, which is fine. We always say it's more about the fun in fantasy football."
[02:16]

b. Drafting Decisions: Mike Evans vs. Jordy Nelson

Listener from New York City ([14:10]):
"I'm stuck because I know Cam Newton would be amazing value in the 14th but I know also that quarterbacks can be up and down..."

Andy and Jason advise prioritizing reliable wide receivers over uncertain quarterbacks, recommending keeping players like Thomas Rawls and Jordy Nelson over Cam Newton.

Andy Holloway:
"I would personally take Rawls, Nelson and Gurley."
[14:10]

c. Risk vs. Safety in Draft Picks

Listener from Austintown, Ohio ([34:14]):
"I've gone with risk over safety... Should I go with a safe pick or a boom or bust pick?"

The hosts debate the merits of risk-taking versus safer picks in fantasy drafts. Jason suggests being risk-averse with early picks and embracing risk later, while Mike emphasizes the illusion of safety and encourages selecting players with high upside.

Mike Wright:
"I think safety is very much an illusion. So go with the upside."
[35:02]

d. Triple Stacking Tight Ends

Listener from Kansas City ([37:44]):
"Is triple stacking tight ends like Austin Safari, Josh Allen, and another beneficial?"

Jason advises against stacking tight ends from the same team, citing limited success and the availability of other viable options.

Jason Moore:
"No, don't do it. Because there are plenty of other tight end options."
[38:14]

e. Handcuffing Running Backs

Listener from Ontario, Canada ([48:30]):
"With injuries to prime players last season, should I handcuff running backs?"

The discussion highlights that handcuffing is primarily a strategy for running backs due to positional depth. In smaller leagues, handcuffing becomes more manageable, but the hosts caution against overloading the bench with handcuffs.

Andy Holloway:
"I just am not willing to... I'd rather have a guy on my bench that is better and tradable."
[51:38]

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4. Show Promotions and Announcements

[24:45] Andy Holloway:
"We forgot to mention that we are eligible for a podcast award..."

Andy promotes the show's nomination for podcast awards, urging listeners to support by nominating the Fantasy Footballers in both the sports and People's Choice categories on PodcastAwards.com.

Mike Wright:
"We forgot to mention that."
[24:45]

The hosts emphasize the importance of listener support, acknowledging that the show's success is driven by their dedicated audience.

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5. Upcoming Content and Conclusion

As the episode wraps up, the hosts tease upcoming episodes focusing on quarterback analyses, including discussions on Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston, and other notable QBs.

Andy Holloway:
"We're going through 20 quarterbacks next week... some of the veterans, the Drew Brees, Philip Rivers,..."
[55:00]

They also remind listeners about their online community at JoinTheFoot.com and encourage following them on Twitter for exclusive content.

Jason Moore:
"Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast."
[55:42]

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Andy Holloway on Josh Gordon’s Opportunity:
  "I genuinely hate to scold any of these athletes... you are given an opportunity that one in a billion get."
  [05:24]

• Mike Wright on Safety in Drafting:
  "I think safety is very much an illusion. So go with the upside."
  [35:02]

• Jason Moore on Triple Stacking Tight Ends:
  "No, don't do it. Because there are plenty of other tight end options."
  [38:14]

• Andy Holloway on Handcuffing:
  "I'd rather have a guy on my bench that is better and tradable."
  [51:38]

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Key Insights and Conclusions

• Keeper Strategies: Engage league members in voting when considering changes to keeper rules to ensure fairness and consensus.

• Drafting Decisions: Prioritize reliable positions like wide receivers early in drafts over volatile positions like quarterbacks to maintain roster stability.

• Risk Management: Balance risk and safety by securing stable performers in early rounds while embracing high-upside players in later picks.

• Stacking and Handcuffing: Avoid over-concentration of positions within the same team and use handcuffing judiciously, primarily for running backs.

• Listener Engagement: Active participation and support from listeners are crucial, leveraging platforms like PodcastAwards.com to recognize the show's value.

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This episode offers a comprehensive exploration of keeper league strategies, drafting nuances, and risk management, enriched with expert opinions and actionable advice for fantasy football enthusiasts. The hosts' dynamic interactions and in-depth analysis provide listeners with valuable insights to enhance their fantasy football prowess.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the podcast, guys. How are you doing today?

[Mike Wright]

Fired up. Fired up. Oh, fired up.

[Jason Moore]

Mike. Mike beat me. I'm not yet fired up. So he wins.

[Mike Wright]

I'm on podcast. Enhancing performance beverages.

[Andy Holloway]

You didn't even put those words in the right order. So that. That doesn't bode well for the rest of this episode.

[Mike Wright]

Lots of energy.

[Andy Holloway]

It is. What is the day? It is Thursday. It is Thursday, April 14th. And I'm Andy Holloway, joined by Jason Moore and Mike Wright with. We are the Fantasy Footballers. Welcome into the show, the year round fantasy football podcast that never stops. And we've got the NFL draft coming up soon. We've been doing our overviews for a number of our early ranking, a number of positions, our early rankings. You can actually check the rankings out right now on the website. The fantasy footballers.com got them broken down by scoring position, scoring type, broken down by position and by individual. So if you, you know, if you want to ignore Jason's rankings, which I recommend you do, coincidentally, just choosing an example, if you wanted to ignore Jason's rankings, you could. You just sort by mine.

[Jason Moore]

You just wouldn't win a championship, which is fine. You don't have to. We. We always say you don't have to. We always say it's more about the fun in fantasy football. But if you want to win the championship, go ahead and click that, Jason. It's. It's really ascending and it's a personal.

[Mike Wright]

Choice if you want to win or not. Yeah, sometimes I don't.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

Well, you didn't last year, right, Both of you guys.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, well, that's it for today's show, and we'll catch you. No, we have. We have been going through the. The Tight Ends were the last episode, so if you didn't listen to that, I thought it was a really great episode. We went through the top 10 tight ends in our consensus rankings where we put all of our stats together and just talked about some of those guys. Really a deep position.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, much, much deeper than, than you usually think about. Free agency was very kind to fantasy players with, with, you know, the Fleener and the. Dwayne Allen split. Ledarius Green, Antonio Gates split.

[Jason Moore]

Martialis Bennett, Zach Miller split.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, they just, it was, I think it's almost like they play fantasy football.

[Andy Holloway]

I was gonna say, I think all the guys, all the tight ends got together at a winter meeting and said.

[Mike Wright]

Look, we mean something.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's all give ourselves a chance to succeed. And they somehow it, you know, it just fell that way.

[Mike Wright]

And so they've heard that you usually only play one tight end and they think that's a stress.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, you certainly can only throw to one tight end on any given play and that's really helpful as well. So spread them, spread them out. So today we are not getting into the quarterbacks yet. We're going to save that for next week. We're going to answer a number of fantasy football questions on the show today. It is a mailbag type of show. We're going to answer a bunch of different questions on the voicemail hotline and through the website, the fantasy footballers.com. you can visit us on Twitter at the ffballers. Like I said, check out the rankings on the website and obviously you can join the fantasy community over [e-mail] we've got exclusive content over there for our listeners. So, guys, I have a quick question for you before we get into the mailbag. And it is a simple, simple one. We weren't, we weren't able to talk about this at length on the Tuesday show because the news hadn't happened yet. The news didn't break. And honestly, I don't even know what the news is anymore because this whole thing started with, okay, Johnny Manziel is living with Von Miller. No, Johnny Manziel's living with Josh Gordon. And now, oh, Josh Gordon. Well, the news is this. Josh Gordon's petition to be reinstated to the NFL has been denied.

[Mike Wright]

You get nothing.

[Andy Holloway]

And everybody like me, who chose to read the Players Tribune article by Josh Gordon, who chose to give him the benefit of the doubt in the decision making.

[Jason Moore]

You're extra angry, aren't you?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm extra angry. I'm angry like, like a father or something, where I'm giving you the opportunity to show me that you can be a responsible adult. You have an opportunity. Genuinely, I hate to scold any of these athletes I feel like I owe him a scolding in the sense that you are given an opportunity that one in a billion get. And there are youth all over the United States that aspire to be in your position with your opportunity. Josh and Johnny and Trey Mason and whoever else you want to add to the list.

[Jason Moore]

You're the father who's gone past anger and into disappointment.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, disappointment.

[Jason Moore]

Sit him down and have the dog.

[Andy Holloway]

Right? Yeah. So sit down, Josh. Look, you. It sounds like you're gonna get another opportunity to apply for reinstatement in August, which is incredible.

[Jason Moore]

I don't even get that.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, and maybe that means he really hasn't been down. Down.

[Mike Wright]

The test was simply diluted. I'm not exactly sure how 1.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not an expert on that topic.

[Mike Wright]

I can't speak to it. So I'm not really sure. But like you said, he has a chance at least to reinstate again.

[Andy Holloway]

So here's the quick before the season because my expectations for him are also diluted. Here we go. Josh Gordon will play in how many games the rest of his career? What is your. Lay it out there now. What do you think Josh Gordon's future holds? Because it stinks. It just stinks to see a guy perform like that and then be in this position.

[Jason Moore]

Wow, that's tough.

[Andy Holloway]

Johnny Manziel wasn't good on the field and had this happen to him. So we're not missing. We don't know what we're missing really. We're not missing anything.

[Jason Moore]

Biased. If I could answer the Johnny Manziel question, that'd be a lot easier. That number would be zero. But, but for Gordon, man, I think he's obviously going to get another chance. Let's say he plays five years. I'm going to say this year he plays zero games. That's. I'm going to guess and say he plays zero games this year.

[Mike Wright]

I am going all season. I think he will. I think he will pee clean, so to speak. And he. I think he'll get reinstated.

[Jason Moore]

And there you have it. Very different answer.

[Mike Wright]

Well, this is completely just your opinion and that's how I. That he has the option and this extra gift of okay, try again in August. I think that, that everything will be okay by then.

[Andy Holloway]

I will make my prediction and then ask you a follow up question about Josh Gordon. I'm going to predict that he plays in 12 to 14 games this year. I will believe that the reinstatement process will take a little bit longer than expected beginning in August and that that's so close to the beginning of September and when the season begins, I'm thinking a two to four game time period where he is not on the field. That is my prediction as of today. Ever ready to open my Rota World app and see that he has made some other mistake. But if you are a dynasty league owner, where do you go from here? Because do you, you can't flip him for much now in this situation. So do you just. Is this just a Holden Hope?

[Mike Wright]

To me it, it's completely Holden hope. I'm not selling Josh Gordon off for a late second round rookie pick. A third round rookie pick. Like people are going to try and pillage away from your team. The you, you know, you got a risk reward type of a thing and the risk is maybe you get nothing or you can get a third round rookie pick which, what's your success rate really going to be with that pick? Or Gordon comes back. So I'm just going to hold him. I'm not, I'm not selling off for peanuts.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you don't want to sell off for peanuts. But if you can actually be the one to get anything of value for him then I would just because it.

[Andy Holloway]

Brings back a situation to mind. You know which one I'm thinking of? Jason. No, tell me another athlete who was traded mere moments before his career certainly came to an end. And I remember in our league of records somebody got a fourth round draft pick in exchange for Aaron Hernandez. Ah, so you have a little different. It is sort of, it is certainly different. But at the time it was, at the time it was like can I, should I buy in on him because maybe he'll be back later.

[Jason Moore]

And I got out. You got, and I got a pick for it and I would get out of Josh Gordon. We have to remember that these, these tests that they get, it's not like the second time we hear about it, they get suspended for a year. I mean that is kind of how it feels. But that's at least the fourth time they've popped. And so you got popped and you got told by the NFL we caught you and then you do it again and then you got caught twice and then you do it again and you got caught three times and then you do it again. You got caught. At some point you realize there's a problem that they're not going to be able to overcome. Justin Blackman. This scares me a little bit for Martavis Bryant. I mean I get a little bit more weary. I know I'm the most risk averse of the three of us. Here, but that's where I lean. Although I would not get rid of him for nothing. I mean, there will be an owner out there who's going to take that risk. You just have to find him.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, I, I'd love to. No, not really. I would not love to talk about Josh Gordon all day. So we're going to move on to some other questions, some more productive questions for the fantasy football community spanning a wide variety of areas. But if you have a question for the show for us to answer, go to the website the Fancy Footballers.com. click the submit a question button or you can dial our voicemail hotline. 302464. TFFB. Let's do it.

[Jason Moore]

Mailbag. Mailbag.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, we're gonna start in the voicemail question category here. So let's go ahead and let's see if I can pull up the first one and we can't, we can't go.

[Mike Wright]

We'll move it on.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, go ahead and do the. Read the one from the United Kingdom.

[Jason Moore]

You.

[Mike Wright]

Green. This is a disaster. I apologize. Oofy. In our keeper league, you can keep between zero and four players. Each keeper takes up an early round pick. So your first keeper counts as your first pick, second keeper, second round, etc. I'd like to have the rounds relate to the rounds in which the keepers were drafted instead. How would we transition into that format? Also in that format, if I keep a guy drafted in the 9th round for many years, does he count as my 9th round pick every year or do we adjust it? So let's start there.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, either, either format is going to be good. I actually really enjoy both formats. Where you have a round penalty and where you have no round penalty. They're both great. If you want to switch, how you switch is you take it up by a vote. You know, I don't know where you're listening from, but where we're talking from, we're democracy. Okay, so we're gonna put this up for a vote and if the league wants to change it, that's what you do.

[Mike Wright]

I think what he means is. Yeah, if they transactically, then how do they do that?

[Andy Holloway]

And how do you have a vote?

[Mike Wright]

You're gonna have to go adp. That's how I would do it for the, for the initial run average draft position. Yes. Thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

So you can find that at Football Fantasy Football Calculator.com. there are a number of other sources. You can also use some of your, your main league hosting sources like ESPN or Yahoo and see where they have initial rankings.

[Jason Moore]

And the last part of his question, as far as do you get to keep the guy at the same value forever? That can't, that's no, no way. Because otherwise what ends up happening is you are going to draft those rookies really late and end up hanging on. And every year when you get maybe.

[Mike Wright]

I mean if it's. People know it's this way they will start going in on rookies earlier.

[Jason Moore]

I think it's. Personally I would really prefer to have a thing where every year it's two rounds above where you picked them last year. It puts more of. Because if you're going this route, you know you, the reason you do that is you want more talent in the draft. If you don't want the talent in the draft and you go no pick penalty and everybody's keeping the best guys. So to go to the pick penalty you get, you get more elite talent in the draft. Having that escalate every year a couple more picks will help that goal.

[Mike Wright]

Yep, I like the escalation. So.

[D]

Hey guys, this is Huss from New York City.

[Mike Wright]

New York City.

[D]

Hope that was a long enough pause for you to do it. I'm in a 10 team half point per reception league where you can keep up to 10 two players just by giving up two rounds from the previous year's draft. The rosters are QB, RBRB, two wide receivers and a flex. And I got four guys to pick from. One of them is a no brainer. It's Todd Gurley for a fourth rounder. But then it gets tricky because I can keep Cam Newton for a 14th rounder. Don't worry Jason, I drafted him in the 16th round last year. And then the other options are Thomas Rawls for an eighth because you can keep free agents for an eighth rounder or Jordy Nelson for a ninth. And I'm stuck because I know Cam Newton would be amazing value in the 14th but I know also that quarterbacks can be up and down. So any advice you can give I'd really appreciate it. Thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

Bye. This is not a tough one for me because of the values of those guys. So I would personally take Rawls, Nelson and Gurley.

[Mike Wright]

Rawls, Nelson, Gurley, yeah. So you're dropping.

[Andy Holloway]

He gets two thirds. So I dropped new. Now I know the really, I know the values there. But this is not Rawls in the fourth and Nelson in the third. This is Rawls in the eighth, Nelson in the ninth. I would go girly Rawls, Nelson and draft my quarterback later.

[Jason Moore]

I would as well.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, because, man, that's.

[Andy Holloway]

I know it seems simplistic, but the practical argument of, okay, I'm in the draft now, can I draft Newton in the second round of this draft? Probably. Could I draft Nelson? Probably not.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, or whatever. You're going to get Nelson and Rawls. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Your replacement value.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

For the quarterback is there. That's tough to give away. 14th round for the guy who was the number one quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

So if you were to.

[Mike Wright]

But I'm in agreement.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. So if you were to keep Newton though, which would. Which is the better situation? Rawls for the eight or Nelson for the nine?

[Mike Wright]

I think I would still take Nelson.

[Jason Moore]

I would go. So you got the tiebreaker here, Andy.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, in that situation, I would probably take Nelson as of today. Doesn't mean it won't change.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I agree.

[Andy Holloway]

I agree with you. Yeah, you should take his monster away.

[Mike Wright]

Never.

[Andy Holloway]

Carmen in San Diego, he said what?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, where in the world is Carmen? San Diego.

[Andy Holloway]

Bow, Bow.

[Mike Wright]

It's like Andy didn't get in on that at all.

[Andy Holloway]

No, but I was visualizing my childhood spectacular. That was such a good show.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. The actual. The game show.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, yeah, that's obvious except you were.

[Mike Wright]

If you were the kid who got the Europe map at the end or any map.

[Andy Holloway]

But the United States. This only time that they ever won anything was if they got the United States. Everybody else, it was like it was back when game shows, you just didn't win them. Yeah, most like 90% of the time you didn't win. All right, I like that. I read that. With no recognition of the fact. This is Carmen San Diego. You touched on a favorite league format during the election show and mentioned three keepers are ideal. How many consecutive years should player be allowed to be kept on a team's roster? His other details that he adds to this question is hashtag foot clan title. Yeah, Carmen, I'll start this one out. Ultimately, the answer is however many you'd like. It's preferential. This is not a. And that's what you're asking our opinion on it too.

[Mike Wright]

So what's your opinion?

[Andy Holloway]

My opinion is that you do not limit that. That. That's my opinion. I don't think you need to limit that. That we tried to do that in some leagues in the past and really it didn't make a difference because the leagues were active enough to where these pinnacle type of players were traded on a regular basis and nobody ever had that situation. If your league does not have trading ever. I'm sorry for you and I guess I would limit it at three years if I had to pick a time period.

[Mike Wright]

Even if there was no trading, I'd still say no. No dice. No keeper regulation for years.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, so you're in agreement.

[Mike Wright]

Free market, baby.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I agree with what both of you are saying is it will usually work itself out. I will say this. Back in the day when Ladanian Tomlinson was the guy for a very long stretch that stunk when you were in a keeper league because that team was always in the championship game, you didn't.

[Andy Holloway]

See anybody just go and send the house for him.

[Jason Moore]

No. If you got a guy that was that good. Problem is, is that going to be able to happen again? You know the. It could.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it could. That's tough though for. Especially for running backs.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Jackson in Bengals country. Kansas. Okay. I have not been there.

[Mike Wright]

I have not either. I've not either.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, he said he loves the show. Going to make it quick and simple and a half point PPR. 12 man league. Who do you draft in these head to head situations? Okay, I will remind you that you can answer this question. Well, maybe not. Maybe not. I won't say that. I was going to say you can answer this question with our rankings, but that's not true at all. All right. Des Bryant versus Jordy Nelson. Who do you guys take? Oh, dez. I take Des.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

Tony Romo versus Nick Foles. Verse. Sam Bradford.

[Mike Wright]

Tony Romo.

[Jason Moore]

Nick Foles. I only say it because why is he even on this list? Are you here? He should not be in this consideration.

[Mike Wright]

That's all right. That's all right. Tony Romo.

[Andy Holloway]

Romo Bradford. And then like anything else.

[Mike Wright]

A box of rocks.

[Andy Holloway]

A box of rocks. RG3 or Kaepernick in a Broncos jersey.

[Jason Moore]

Definitely Kaepernick.

[Andy Holloway]

Can you actually draft him in a Broncos jersey right now?

[Jason Moore]

You can wear a Broncos jersey and draft them. That's about as close as you get.

[Andy Holloway]

Because I am still right. He is not traded. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

At this moment, sure.

[Andy Holloway]

C.J. anderson versus Joe Bernard versus Jeremy Hill.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to take Jeremy Hill out of that bunch.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll take C.J. anderson.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, he says through squinty Anderson. For everybody listening in the studio before the show, we're doing other stuff and Andy just out of nowhere says, oh, I think I'm coming around on CJ Anderson. So Andy, do you have some more?

[Mike Wright]

I'm running in my seat.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not. I don't know what's happening. I. Here's the thing. As much value that I place on my own pride and dignity, I'm willing to lay those things down for the sake of the Foot Clan. And if the Foot clan needs to know the best running backs. Mike is just freaking. He started smacking his belly earlier. Enjoy. Look, I think there's a chance C.J. anderson is going to be really good.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not the emperor pulling you to the dark side right now.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not, I'm not committing to it yet. I'm just, I'm opening the door because I've been down on him. Jason gets on board with me and said, look, I've kind of had enough of propping CJ Anderson up. So we'll see. It's a to be determined. I would take him over Jeremy Hill and Jill right now.

[Jason Moore]

Really?

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so you would as well, Mike?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, I would as well.

[Jason Moore]

Would anybody care to make a water bet with me? Jeremy?

[Andy Holloway]

Not today.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

Not today. All right. We are going apparently very oh international here with Eric in Oslo, Norway.

[Mike Wright]

Bonjour.

[Andy Holloway]

Can you do too much streaming? Is it possible to have success while streaming quarterback and tight end, kicker and defense? Or is it better to go for an every week starter in a couple of the positions?

[Jason Moore]

You can. I mean, the answer is both here. If you have a lockdown starter, well, then that is better. But you can absolutely win streaming all four of those positions. I would say in general, most of my teams I stream quarterback, tight end, kicker and defense.

[Andy Holloway]

At least two or three of them.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, last year I know I had Guskowski in a couple leagues.

[Andy Holloway]

He had Greg Olson as well.

[Jason Moore]

And Greg Olson. So I'm not going to stream over those guys. But you can win at any of those positions. I will say this. If you have to stream four positions at once, your bench size starts to matter because you're going to have to, you know, swap guys in and out. If you ever want to hold more than one at a time, which you're fine to just hold that guy, drop him to waivers and pick up his replacement every week. But I know a lot of times people are scared of that. Sure.

[Mike Wright]

And I'm. You are perfectly fine streaming those four.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me add to this. We, we talk about streaming positions and people hear it. Obviously you're not streaming with a goal to stream. Really. I mean, you are and you aren't. Right. You're not drafting a quarterback high on purpose, but you're also drafting a quarterback late that you hope could be an every week starter.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Whether it's a Carson Palmer last year or Cam Newton Late or a Tom Brady late. These are guys that went at the very end of the draft. Derek Carr that you probably could start three fourths of the time. Some of those, obviously, every week. And so your goal is still to find a solo. You know, you. You might draft Eric Ebron thinking you're starting tight end. I mean, you're streaming tight end and you might not have to.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, ifrt.

[Andy Holloway]

Last year, you know, you drafted him, you hoped, you didn't stream. So your goal is not really to be shuffling your entire roster every week. It's just you put yourself in the position with these positions specifically, that you can do that and succeed. So Tim in California, big fan. Says he loves this show, loves us. Tim trying to decide which five.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. Whoa.

[Andy Holloway]

I should keep. This is an auction league. So he's got prices next to these guys. Wide receivers, he's got John Brown for 12 bucks, Tyler Lockett for 5, Devonte Parker for 5. Running backs, he said he has Hyde for 10, Latavius Murray for 10 and Lankford for 5. So we just dropping one guy off of this list.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. We just got a boot. Give someone the boot.

[Mike Wright]

It's a 14 teamer.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to wait till the NFL draft if at all possible, because the Oakland and Chicago running back situations are in flux. To me, I'm not very worried I'd keep all those wide receivers. And so for me, it's going to be between Murray and Langford that I would drop off. That is going to be really.

[Jason Moore]

See. And I'm definitely going to keep. I mean, I agree with you. I'll wait for the draft because those running backs could have. If Ezekiel Elliott goes 14.

[Andy Holloway]

Raiders. Yeah, I guess nothing happened to either of those, but if nothing happened to.

[Jason Moore]

Either, I'm going to keep all three of those guys and get rid of one of these.

[Andy Holloway]

So which wide receiver would you do get rid of?

[Jason Moore]

I love John Brown this year and I love devonte Parker. I'm still a Doug Baldwin believer over Tyler Lockett, so I'm going to kick Lockett to the curb.

[Mike Wright]

Lockett is my drop as well. Assuming the status quo stays for the running backs.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, you can like Doug Baldwin and Tyler Lockett.

[Jason Moore]

I do.

[Andy Holloway]

Totally fine.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, I do. But here's what you can't do. You can't like Doug Baldwin and think Tyler Lockett is going to have a monster break. You can't say, look, Tyler Lockett's going to be like a. A close wide receiver. One this is going to be his huge breakout year and believe that Baldwin is also going to have a great year.

[Mike Wright]

I don't think, I don't think we're saying that about Lockett. The thing with Lockett is, is the upside exists. I'm not drafting him. And you're right than a low end three or a four. I mean, I'm not reaching on Tyler Lockett. I want him on my team because of the talent level and with the, with the way that the team with how efficient they were towards the end of the year. So potential is there, but that's not a. I'm reaching humongously for Lockett.

[Andy Holloway]

I did realize something. Before we get to this next question from Paul in Canada. I didn't mention this. We are going to be eligible for a podcast award for the show.

[Mike Wright]

We did.

[Andy Holloway]

We forgot to mention that.

[Mike Wright]

That's funny.

[Andy Holloway]

And what we would love the Foot Clan to do. If you love the show, if you want to support us, there is going to be a nominating opportunity to nominate this show for an award in the sports category and in the People's Choice People's choice category on podcastawards.com now you're listening to this. If you're listening to it on Thursday, you can't go and do this yet. But if you are listening after that date or you remember this on Friday, you can go to podcastawards.com and there will be the opportunity to nominate this show. And so what we'd love to have you do is if you're willing and able to go over to podcastawards.com, scroll down, nominate this show for the sports podcast category. In the People's choice category, you only get to do it one time on the website.

[Mike Wright]

One time or is one time a day.

[Andy Holloway]

That's only one time ever to nominate. So just keep that in mind. We wanted to bring it up because it would be pretty cool to have the Foot Clan support over there and Foot Clan, you got anything else? Assemble simple and make you shredder. I guess if anybody. Shredder?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

You're more of a bebop. All right, so check it out because.

[Mike Wright]

You'Re basically saying you're a warthog.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know what I'm saying. We'll mention this again. I think there's a 15 day nominating period, but it would be pretty cool if people had headed over there, head on over there, went over there. So anyways, Paul in Edmonton, Canada. Hey guys, I'm in a 12 team, full PPR keeper league with two running backs, three wide receivers and a flex. We are allowed to keep three players at the round that they were picked out. And any free agents that are kept for the are currently. Wait, I just skipped a line there.

[Mike Wright]

Free agents are kept for a 17.

[Andy Holloway]

Sorry about that. Yeah, just like Jason likes it, if you keep two free agents and the next one is in the 16th round and so on. Currently, I know I'm keeping Oda Beckham Jr. For a first and Al Robinson for a four. My question is this. Which of the following should I keep so one out of this? Jonathan Stewart for a three. Josh Gordon for a 17. Lewis for a 17. That's Dion Lewis and Jeremy Langford for 17.

[Jason Moore]

How many? One.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

One in a PPR.

[Jason Moore]

That's going to be Dion Lewis.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Deon Lewis at the 17th and a full PPR. In a full PPR. He actually cracks, I believe, 2/3 of our RB1s. He's an RB1 projected in a full point PBR to get him with the last pick. I mean, I don't even know what else you could possibly hope for than getting the an RB one in the last round.

[Andy Holloway]

Assuming there is an argument to be made for Jeremy Lankford, he is not coming off an injury and if nobody else is drafted in Chicago, he did catch a lot of passes last year.

[Jason Moore]

I will give you that argument in the sense that he has the chance to be an RB one as well. So it's not necessarily contradicting what I just said. You're hoping for an RB one is which one of those guys are you looking for? I think at a full point ppr, you just have a baseline there.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'd go Louis as well.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's go ahead and do a voicemail question. I'm going to pull that up here. Here we go.

[E]

Hey, guys, this is Stephen from College Station, Texas. A little teaser for what's to come. I got two questions. First one's a commissioner question. I'm reducing my roster size and so it's a dynasty league. The scoring doesn't really matter, but I'm wondering how I should handle all the extra guys. It's an IDP league and there's just. I didn't put roster restrictions. A lot of people are just stashing a bunch of offense and they're not really holding on to defensive guys. So I'm going to reduce the roster size a little bit. So when people do that and after we draft, we're drafting only rookies. So after all that happens, I'm kind of just wondering how you guys think I should handle dealing with all the influx of players into the quote unquote free agency. So just any ideas that you'll have on how to deal with that? The second question I really have is this is more kind of an afterthought being from College Station. A lot of guys in my league are another league are Aggie fans. So we all pretty like Mike Evans. So I'm just wondering where you guys think is too early to draft Mike Evans? Someone I've been looking at. Someone I've been really looking to get. So when do y'all think drafting Mike Evans is too early? Thanks. Love the show. Keep it up guys.

[Jason Moore]

All right, I'll tackle the first half of that question's first question there. If let's say you've got 40 guys, if you're in an IEP league and you're going to 30 in your dynasty, obviously like you said, a lot of guys are going to go back into the waivers and so you need to know how do you deal with that? And here's how you're going to deal with it. What you're going to do is you're going to make the roster size smaller than what it will end up in as the year goes on. So if you're going to go, if you're going to go to 30 then make, make the roster cut down to like a 28 or something like that. And then if you've normally got say a four round rookie draft, you're going to make it a six round or a seven round eight round draft and it's going to be a rookie slash vet free agent draft. So in that draft instead of it being just rookies, you'll actually include the veterans who have been cut to waivers in that group. And actually I know a lot of dynasty leagues prefer to have their rookie drafts every year be kind of they close their waivers in the off season and then they draft either OR and rookies together. But that's a great way to do it if you're downsizing your roster, which it sounds like you need to do.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, the only thing I would, I like that idea or I would just make sure you're on a fab system and maybe instead of his instead of 100 bucks bump it up this year to 150 or something.

[Andy Holloway]

Well how do you handle that in the off season with fab spending though what it did?

[Mike Wright]

Because it depends if they close every day. I would do raw do waivers.

[Andy Holloway]

When does the fab reset? Doesn't that, Isn't that an in season budget mill. Okay, well then maybe you give yourself an off season budget of $100 and then say, okay, guys, go hog wild starting this date.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I guess that's fair.

[Andy Holloway]

And then in the beginning, sure. So that'd be an opportunity to kind of bid on what's out there without doing the draft because it does sound like he wants to do a rookie draft alone. I think those are a couple of good options for you. I'll let you continue because, I mean, you'll never stop talking about Mike Evans.

[Mike Wright]

I will never.

[Andy Holloway]

When is too early to draft Mike Evans? Is it just because he has the same name as you?

[Jason Moore]

Little.

[Mike Wright]

That's 50% of it.

[Andy Holloway]

Is it because he's twice as tall as you?

[Mike Wright]

Twice as tall. Maybe big man. Maybe. Maybe it's Jason. Old Bebop over here.

[Andy Holloway]

Wow. Pile it on.

[Mike Wright]

To me it's. Mike Evans is a target. If you're talking strictly redraft, the top of the second round, he's a target. For me that's too early, so that's where I'm targeting. So honestly, early first round is too early. I mean there's going to be guys who I want more than him, but back of the first round, he's in that category of talent for me.

[Andy Holloway]

Seems like this year he represents that player you really want to have that you might reach on a little bit because you want a share, you want, you want the opportunity, you're more willing to take a risk. And so because of the youth, maybe in a keeper or a dynasty league, you're really going to reach up higher.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm willing to reach for Evans. Is that's basically the everything.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Do you have anything to add to that or should I.

[Jason Moore]

No, I mean I think that that's. I think that's exactly accurate. It's not too high to grab him at the back of the first. I like him. I still would not. I don't. I think there's just better guys there that I would grab. But you know, early seconds, mid second definitely grab.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't want to throw any shade on Evans, but I do have a thought myself that they may draft a wide receiver higher than we're expecting them to do. So you have Vincent Jackson, who, yeah, he might age out and they have an opportunity here to build around Winston and give him other pieces to succeed with. So that's one piece I think needs to be remembered. He also, Evans, with those incredible target numbers, didn't play much of the season with ASJ not that I'm expecting big things out of him, but I'm just trying to find reasons why those numbers can't just kind of go up infinitely. Because they can't.

[Mike Wright]

It's always good to look at your. The counter argument and not just be completely positive on a guy. So I've. No, I don't have a problem with that.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Michael in Austintown, Ohio, the last couple years I've gone with risk over safety. So he went more Mike, less Jason. Two years ago, I picked Zack Stacy with my first round pick. Then last year I took Jeremy Hill. So obviously these haven't worked out the way they should have. It's hard not having a player to really depend on going into next year's draft. Should I go with a safe pick or a boom or bust pick? Thank you very much. Well, I mean, I'm not going to ask you guys that question.

[Jason Moore]

I was just going to say that I still like taking risk. I just don't like taking risk at. With my, essentially my first two picks. My first two picks is where I'm going to go risk adverse and then I go risk because I'm not risking as much.

[Mike Wright]

To me, he's the.

[Andy Holloway]

You've got, you know, you got most of your IRA tucked away into ge. Mike. Mike's got it all in Tesla.

[Mike Wright]

I got it in penny stocks, my man. No, to me, like, look, the, the first round bust rate, probably half of those guys are gonna bust. That's just the way that it goes now.

[Andy Holloway]

Disappoint at least.

[Mike Wright]

Sure. Disappoint slash bust. Now, like there's, there's very, very few guys to me that have little to no risk.

[Andy Holloway]

As you say, is safety an illusion?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, I think safety is very much an illusion. So go with the upside. I was, I was all on board with the Jeremy Hill. I'm. I feel unfortunate for you that you went with Zach Stacy in the first round. That's rough. But I'm still going with the guy who can boom and has the huge upside, knowing that everyone in that range has the chance to bust.

[Jason Moore]

But doesn't everybody in that range also have a boom potential?

[Mike Wright]

I mean, some of them have more than others.

[Jason Moore]

How many guys in the first round don't have the chance to finish as a great option? That's why, that's why in the first and second round, I feel like everybody's got a high ceiling. I'm gonna go with this with the safest floor.

[Mike Wright]

Right. But. Okay, so let's say you're in the Middle of the first round. Who's the safe guy there?

[Jason Moore]

Who's going. Give me. Give me some names.

[Andy Holloway]

Julio Jones.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, so you're in the middle of the first round. These. These are the guys available. Devonte Freeman, Jamal Charles Gronkowski and Hopkins.

[Jason Moore]

Well, Hopkins would be the. Probably the safe of those three. I think it would probably be the safest pick of those three. Gronk is pretty safe. The risk there. I mean, obviously he has a little bit of injury history, but it's more positional. You're taking a risk by giving up a running back or wide receiver of those guys that's, you know, I'd probably rank them like that by just looking.

[Mike Wright]

At the ADP from. Even for. If you consider Peterson to have an age risk, but after Adrian Peterson, the list of the next eight guys or so, they all have massive risk. So take the guy that you want and that you think will perform and just. I wouldn't be.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, don't draft Devonte Freeman.

[Mike Wright]

Don't be afraid.

[Andy Holloway]

Devontae Freeman's far more risky than DeAndre Hopkins.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

There's nobody that's going to argue that point, I think. I mean, you got one year of kind of elite play versus, you know, somebody who's at a position that's more consistent, that's done it for a few years, or maybe not at last year's level.

[Jason Moore]

But, yeah, there's a lot of question marks with Freeman. You know, he didn't start out last year as the starter where they went into week one and Tevin Coleman got 20 carries. It was only when Tevin Coleman got injured that he even that that happened. And now in the off season, so you just got to look at each guy individually and yeah, there's no guarantees.

[Andy Holloway]

There is more or less safety in different picks. All right, Byron in Arkansas has this question. He ended up with Mike Evans in the third round and he ended up with Winston very late in the draft. Now, this is a mock. Yeah, this was a mock. Joe. He needed a tight end, and the only guy that he kind of thought was attractive there was this third Tampa Bay Buccaneer and adding Austin Safari and Jenkins to his team. So he just has a question about is triple stacking, that type of, you know, would you do that?

[Jason Moore]

No, don't do it. And here's why I wouldn't do it because there are plenty of other tight end options. We just talked about this in our last show. I'm the highest on asj, so if I'm the one saying no, it's not worth putting these three together. That's. I know you guys specific to these three guys. Not just a general rule. Can't have three guys on the same offense. But I just believe that there are plenty of other options at tight end that are just as good as ASJ that are being drafted after. After Austin, Sperry and Jenkins.

[Andy Holloway]

I will say, I mean, if you're taking ASJ in the very last round, it doesn't really matter. I mean, you can dump him and grab another guy anyway. So if you feel like you need to take a chance on it. But the odds I think of having success with those three guys, I mean.

[Jason Moore]

Well, let me ask you guys this.

[Andy Holloway]

Thing that's a lot of shares in Tampa Bay.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to name a couple guys that are going significantly after him and see if you guys had Winston and Mariota or would you.

[Mike Wright]

Evans.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Winston and Evans. Would you guys quarterbacks draft Austin Safari and Jenkins or Dwayne Allen?

[Mike Wright]

I would take Alan.

[Andy Holloway]

I'd probably take AS J. I would take Allen.

[Jason Moore]

Zach Miller from the Chicago Bears, I'd probably take asj.

[Mike Wright]

Mm, that one's very close. I think I would lean Miller.

[Jason Moore]

Jason Whitten.

[Mike Wright]

Whitten.

[Andy Holloway]

You're basically reading guys in order from my list. I mean, really, these are all funny.

[Jason Moore]

Because I read them out of order from an adp.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's my order. Actually, now that I look at my list, I have Allen, Miller, ASJ and Whitten. Back to back to back to back.

[Jason Moore]

And where's ASJ on that list?

[Andy Holloway]

Third.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, so my point is in a half point. My point is those are all guys that I would be willing to take over and Jenkins.

[Andy Holloway]

So you would do that to hedge the Tampa Bay?

[Jason Moore]

To hedge the Tampa Bay.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, that makes sense. Let's move on here to Ryan in Austin. Would you keep Antonio Brown in the first or Jordy Nelson in the ninth?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, ppr.

[Mike Wright]

Wow. Wow, Mike, that is the ultimate value question there.

[Andy Holloway]

My mind's telling me no, but my.

[Jason Moore]

Body, my body telling me that's perfect there.

[Mike Wright]

It's Antonio Brown. It's Antonio Brown.

[Andy Holloway]

Body or mind?

[Jason Moore]

That's body.

[Mike Wright]

That's soul, man. Down to my soul.

[Jason Moore]

Your mind says you gotta take that value.

[Andy Holloway]

But I'm going to put this out here for you. Let me put it another way. Jordy Nelson and Devonta Freeman, would you accept them in a trade for Antonio Brown? Somebody offer you Devonta Freeman and Jordy Nelson for Antonio Brown?

[Mike Wright]

I don't think I would.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, then you have held true to your beliefs. You have passed the test.

[Jason Moore]

What say you, Andy? Who would you. Who would you keep?

[Andy Holloway]

Antonio Brown.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think I would as well.

[Andy Holloway]

I think I just.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, there's only five guys or so in the league that are true.

[Andy Holloway]

Five guys.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, no, we're going to get a burger. But there's only a handful of guys that are true elite. Elite. Complete difference makers. Not every team gets one of those guys elite squared. And that would be Antonio going back to this.

[Mike Wright]

Nobody is really safe. Antonio Brown is safe.

[Andy Holloway]

He's as safe as they get. Oh, that's right. We're gonna, we're gonna go to a voicemail. Question, I think.

[F]

Hey, guys, this is Taylor. Love the show. I have a quick question for you. It's a 10 man standard keeper league. I get a keep two, you lose the pick, where you keep the player at? I have DeMarco Murray in the third, Lamar Miller in the fourth, DeAndre Hopkins in the fifth, Allen Robinson in the ninth, and I also have Travis Kelsey in the seventh. I'm thinking Hopkins in the fifth, Robinson in the ninth, leaving me spots one through four for the running back. So let me know what you guys think. Give me your opinions. Love the show.

[Jason Moore]

Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not very far off what you have set up there and what you said. I would probably not in a standard league combine the values of both wide receivers. When you got Robinson in the ninth, I would actually go Lamar Miller fourth, Alan Robinson ninth.

[Jason Moore]

That is exactly what I would do. And I would do it because there's not a huge discrepancy in value between Hopkins and Miller and it will leave you more flexibility in your draft having one of each position. You don't have to get a running.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you don't have to have the mindset you just said, which is like, okay, I got to get a running back. Rounds one through four. Yeah, that's a good.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that, that argument has swayed me. I was on the two wide receivers, but I like to leave my options open. So that's how I would lean.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Garrett in Kansas City said last season our point per reception league switched over to a keeper league with five per team. He's got OBJ Hopkins and Gurley for sure, but he also has Alan Robinson, Lamar Miller, Thomas Rawls and Cam Newton.

[Jason Moore]

You are starting with a good team.

[Andy Holloway]

I think I could package three of these guys to get either Julio Lev Bell or David Johnson. Which of my four would you keep and which of the three would you trade for? Also could keep two of my four. So he doesn't have to trade them, obviously. He's trying to kind of trade up and grab another great top tier option like his girly and OBJ and Hopkins. But does he already have that without Alan Robinson and Lamar Miller?

[Mike Wright]

Right. So obj, Hopkins, Gurley, that's. I'm locking those guys in.

[Andy Holloway]

If I could move Miller, Rawls and Cam and get Levy on Bell and keep him alongside Alan Robinson, I would.

[Mike Wright]

Do that or even Julio or any of those three. Because if you're having to send guys back, then this makes sense to me.

[Jason Moore]

Right? Yeah. The way that I look at it is if you can package key Cam, Rawls and someone else for the same position that you're sending. So if you're sending a Rob and you get Levy and you get Julio or you send Lamar Miller and you get Levy on Bell, that's what I would try to do. Otherwise.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

A Rob, Lamar Miller and those other three, you're still great.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me ask you a philosophical question that comes up with this situation. You're in a league that's a keeper league. Clearly you're loaded. You're about to send three guys off that somebody else is only doing that trade so they can keep those three guys and have a really strong keeper group. Does that factor in your decision making at all or do you just have to wash that out and bring the best guys to the table for yourself?

[Mike Wright]

I definitely think about that, that you're. That you're shallowing the draft pool and so that does factor in. But when you're talking about you have the opportunity to get an elite player. Julio Lev Bell and David Johnson's probably pretty close to there for me, but Julio Lev Bel for sure, because of the caliber of the player, I'm willing to sacrifice the draft.

[Jason Moore]

I don't really mind making another team better at this stage of the year. The only time that I care is if we're nearing the trade deadline and I would make a deal that would make someone else that's clearly on their way to the championship better, then I worry about it. But this is so early. I'm just focused on my team. Make me the best I can be.

[Andy Holloway]

And that goes for the person in the opposite position here. Sending off a left Bell or sending off.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think so. Because if you've, if you've got one of those guys, I mean we've been in this situation a lot of our drafts where you go into the year and you pretty much know you have to trade your best asset because you're a little Bit weaker elsewhere. Obviously, if they're keeping this many of those guys, they need to do that. They might need to unload and grab it. And it's probably going to be a good trade for both teams.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, fair enough. All right, Anthony in Sacramento, California says, love the show, guys haven't missed an episode in months.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, good man, Anthony.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't want to break the rules and miss an episode.

[Jason Moore]

There's rules.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, there is. We give one password on every episode that if you don't put it in the computer, everything blows up.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

I have a trade question that I could use some input on. I'm in a PPR keeper, it looks like. Keep seven. Keep seven.

[Jason Moore]

It's like a half dynasty.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. No round penalty league. And you can trade the next season's draft picks. Right. So very similar to the league that we play in for one of our leagues of record, only we keep three. The Evans owner is shopping him to me and I have a couple of offers in my head. Oh, Offer one. Alan Robinson. Okay, Evans.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

Offer two. Josh Gordon in a first round pick. Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it. Offer three. Randall Cobb, two first round picks. How hard should I push for Evans? I would do offer two and that is it. That is the only one that I would do.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I still feel like it's a coin flip with down Robinson. So you're too neutral to make that trade?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I believe that they're very close, in my opinion, especially for moving forward. Go. I bet that Gordon, that deal is gone. But if it's still available, I hope you hit accept before we were able to get to you. Otherwise, I'm not.

[Andy Holloway]

No guilt, Mike. You wouldn't have any guilt accepting that.

[Jason Moore]

Think it would get vetoed? Probably most leagues.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

You guys would veto it?

[Jason Moore]

No, we.

[Mike Wright]

Duff.

[Jason Moore]

Veto.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me move on here. Duff. In Singapore, you make my bike commute. Amazing. While I dodge cars. Whoa.

[Mike Wright]

Stay safe, Duff.

[Andy Holloway]

Just like Todd Gurley. Dodging defenders.

[Mike Wright]

Dodging cars.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, dodging dodge, that's what I was.

[Jason Moore]

Dodge car.

[Andy Holloway]

12 team. Half point per reception league. Have to keep three from the following. Rawls for a sixth, Nelson for a fourth. Allen for it. Fifth.

[Jason Moore]

Keenan Allen.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Just in case.

[Andy Holloway]

As opposed to Buck.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike Evans for a second.

[Mike Wright]

Keenan Allen is a lock.

[Andy Holloway]

Three of those guys. Rawls for a six, Allen for a fifth, Nelson for a four, Evans for two. I am going.

[Jason Moore]

I'm probably going wrong.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm throwing Nelson back.

[Jason Moore]

Really?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Acl.

[Jason Moore]

I would rather have Jordan Nelson in a fourth than Mike Evans for a second. So I'm going to keep Nelson and I'm actually going to throw Mike Evans back. I don't think he's in insane value. In fact, I don't even think he's a value in the second. I think that's about where you should be drafting him. So I would let him go. Barring any news changes on Raw.

[Andy Holloway]

That's fine.

[Mike Wright]

I'm okay not getting value for Evans. I would keep the three wide receivers.

[Andy Holloway]

So you'd throw Rawls back?

[Mike Wright]

I would.

[Andy Holloway]

Wow.

[Jason Moore]

Which I could do depending on what the Seattle Seahawks do in the draft. But as of now, I want to keep them.

[Andy Holloway]

Ray in Ontario, Canada.

[Mike Wright]

Bonjour, Ray.

[Jason Moore]

That was angry almost.

[Andy Holloway]

It was not pleasant. With all the injuries to prime players last season, I would expect the same to happen this year. Some first rounder will go down and everyone scrambles for the backup. And so number one, and he has 18 questions, is the handcuffs move tailored for running backs only?

[Mike Wright]

Let's go one at a time here.

[Andy Holloway]

That's. That's what I did.

[Mike Wright]

It's mostly. There's not really another situation I can think of.

[Jason Moore]

The other situations where you can handcuff a guy are extremely unique. It's not positional. It's not like, oh yeah, you can handcuff a wide receiver or a tight end. It's like in this position, for instance, Martell's Bennett. Yeah, that was the one guy that at least comes to mind first. But I still wouldn't handcuff him. I would rather have the roster spot to be used and be open for streaming a position. And then if Gronk goes down, I'm going to spend my fab or spend my waiver to get Bennett.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. All right. Question number two. Does the league structure matter with eight teams? With an eight team league, what does that mean?

[Mike Wright]

As in the smaller the league, the less important it is to handcuff is the question. So he's saying eight teams. Don't worry about it up to 12, you must do it. Is there any. Do you change how you look at the handcuff?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. Because of just sheer depth. I mean, if you're in an eight team league, the likelihood of you being able to go grab a law pal and play him in the event of an injury was pretty high last year.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

As opposed to in a 12 team league when he's probably scooped up. So yeah, I think it is a higher priority for those teams. And you also have a higher emphasis on elite players in those you know, so D'Angelo Williams being able to at least come in and be elite, you kind of got to take a chance on that versus just filling in the gaps with like a Charles Sims or something.

[Mike Wright]

So during the draft, is the handcuff always your last or third to last pick?

[Andy Holloway]

No, it doesn't always. Coleman is not going third to last.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I was going to say it depends on the player. I mean, you know, if you draft shady, you are going to get Carlos Williams and if you think you're waiting till you're last, you know, pick ish, you are incorrect. You will not be getting him. So it really depends on who it is. You know, there are certain, certain players, you know, Tim Hightower you can probably get with that third to last pick and grab your defense and your kicker in those last two rounds.

[Mike Wright]

Is it a selection on draft day or play throughout the season? As in do you always draft your handcuff or do you kind of feel it out through the season?

[Andy Holloway]

One of the biggest problems with drafting handcuffs is unless they are unique, is that you often get fatigued with them on your bench. You know, you have, let's say you have two elite running backs. Let's say you got Devontae Freeman and you've got Le'Veon Bell. Are you going to fill two bench spots with Tevin Coleman and D'Angelo Williams for the entirety of your season? Because you probably think you will for about three weeks and then you'll be like, oh my God, I need to drop somebody. Yeah, look at this guy's on the C.G. anderson got her. Ronnie Hillman sitting out there. Then you're. And so that's the situation you get in. I think there are situations where you want to do that with one guy, but very rarely do I do it personally because I just am not willing to. I'd rather have a guy on my bench that is better and tradable as opposed to a guy like D'Angelo Williams who I could not trade unless I have an injury.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I would say that the need increases the longer the season goes. You'll hear us talk about it. But as we're. You're kind of approaching the playoffs, let's say you're, you're in content. You say, oh, I'm going to make the playoffs, you better get your handcuffs on your team.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll pay a price for my handcuffs in that situation because you need to be ready.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. To answer the question, I very much more often have handcuffs. Not after the draft, but through the year. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Andrew, in Florida 12 team keeper league, keeping Levy on Bell on the third and Gurley in the fifth. Do I now have to go wide receiver in the first two rounds? Or since that position is so comparatively deep, can I take another running back if I can't get Julio Jones?

[Andy Holloway]

What say you keeping Love Bell in the third, Gurley in the fifth, Do I have to go wide receiver in the first two rounds? What's the format for this league?

[Mike Wright]

Is there a 12 team half point PPR?

[Andy Holloway]

But you don't have disproportionate amount of running back starting or flex positions. We don't see that. Right.

[Mike Wright]

There's. Yeah, there's nothing. I'm going to guess normal, regular.

[Andy Holloway]

No, not in the first two rounds. But you need a wide receiver in the first two rounds, if that makes sense.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

And I think there's a good chance that you'd be better off to grab two.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

But it's so hard. We never want to say you have to do something because that's just, it's foolish to go into a draft thinking this is what I have to do.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, you might end up with Gronk and Evans with those first two picks, right?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, exactly. I would, I would deprioritize running backs a little bit to me if I was going into this draft because at this point you're getting a flex player which, which is, which is okay. Or then a bench player depending on your, your format.

[Mike Wright]

I got a scenario for you.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Let's say you're at the back. You're, you're, you're the kind of like the back middle. So that 7, 8 area now your tier of running back that there's still, let's say the second tier or the first tier, whatever. It's running out. It is running out. And you see that the wide receiver tier is not. Would you take that gamble and, or okay. And what if that is inversed? If the wide receiver tier is running.

[Jason Moore]

Out, well then I absolute. Then you have to grab the wide receiver.

[Mike Wright]

So just basically just, just look at your tiers is what if is how you would be approaching it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Just protect yourself from being locked in on one position if you can.

[Mike Wright]

Stay water, my friend.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. As much as you can with, you know, Love Bell and Gurley puts you in a position where you're probably okay at running back.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

But if an incredible value is there, then you might have to jump on it. You got a flex position, you got a place to start a guy. So that is going to be the, that was the last question on today's show. All right, so we've got, we got the quarterbacks. We're going to go through 20 quarterbacks next week. We stream a lot of quarterbacks. We talk about a lot of guys during the year. We might as well set the table for them and talk about them in depth. We have a lot of guys. I'm excited to talk about Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston, the sophomore quarterbacks coming into this year, some of the veterans, the Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, I believe, the golden oldies, as I've called them before. And so I'm really excited about those two shows and so you should be, too. And like we mentioned earlier, if you want to head over to podcastawards.com on Friday through the end of the month and you'll have the opportunity to help us out, nominate the show, it'd be really cool to have the support of the Foot Clan and kind of get this show some recognition, which really reflects on you guys because that's why we do this show year round all the time, is because of our incredible listeners. So we thank you so much for your support here and [e-mail] stay tuned for the show after the show on YouTube and we will be back. Well, we'll be back next week. You guys have any other thoughts?

[Mike Wright]

Nope, Nothing.

[Andy Holloway]

I've got. It's a good show after the show. You guys don't know what it is.

[Jason Moore]

Surprise.

[Andy Holloway]

I know what it is.

[Mike Wright]

It's gonna be huge.

[Jason Moore]

Well, then, you know what? I'm gonna go to YouTube and I'm gonna watch it. Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

Very nice.

[Jason Moore]

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