Fantasy Football Podcast 2016 - Matt Harmon Mailbag Show!

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary

Episode: Fantasy Football Podcast 2016 - Matt Harmon Mailbag Show!
Release Date: June 14, 2016
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
Guest: Matt Harmon from NFL.com

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Introduction of Matt Harmon

The Fantasy Footballers kick off this special episode by welcoming Matt Harmon as their first-ever in-studio guest. The hosts engage in lighthearted conversation about Matt's road trip across Arizona, highlighting his admiration for the state's natural beauty and his upcoming visit to the Grand Canyon.

• Jason Moore [00:23]: "Oh, we have a special show today."
• Matt Harmon [01:11]: "There are so many good things to see in this state. I'm enthralled by the natural beauty of it."

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Player Surprises Outside Top Three Rounds

The discussion begins with the question: "What player going outside the top three rounds right now do you expect to surprise people this year?"

• Andy Holloway [03:19]: Suggests Isaiah Crowell, emphasizing his value in standard leagues due to his role in the Cleveland Browns' run-heavy offense.

  "I think Isaiah Crowell will outperform his value easily. He's definitely somebody that you can grab in the 8th that can be in your roster, making a difference."

• Mike Wright [05:11]: Highlights Willie Snead from the New Orleans Saints as a strong sleeper pick, noting his chemistry with Drew Brees and consistent target volume.

  "Willie Snead is plugged in. He's got the trust, he's got the chemistry already built up with Drew Brees."

• Jason Moore [04:48]: Adds Vance McDonald as a potential surprise at tight end, appreciating his possible role in the Saints' offense.

  "Vance McDonald wouldn't surprise me to finish as a top 10 tight end."

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Keeper League Strategies

A prominent segment involves questions about keeper league strategies, particularly concerning draft strategies in different league formats.

• Matt Harmon [12:28]: Discusses the limited value of handcuffs in standard redraft leagues, advocating for players with standalone value.

  "I'm not really a big fan of handcuffs and especially if they don't have standalone value in a standard league."

• Andy Holloway [17:14]: Advises against drafting kickers early in touchdown-only leagues, emphasizing the unpredictability of kicker performance.

  "If you want to win that league, you've got to get the best kicker, which is so stupid."

• Mike Wright [31:14]: Suggests having a supplemental pre-draft for keepers, allowing flexibility in selecting new keepers from existing rosters.

  "Let those guys have a keeper draft… they can alternate picks, flip a coin, whatever you want to do to establish their initial keepers."

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Player Analysis and Rankings

The hosts delve into detailed analysis of specific players, offering insights into their potential performances and draft values.

1. John Brown vs. Michael Floyd [18:57 - 19:19]:

   • Matt Harmon [19:39]: Prefers John Brown for his consistency and chemistry with the quarterback, while acknowledging Michael Floyd's higher upside but greater risk.

     "I really do love John Brown. He's the guy I have highest ranked because of that. And I like Michael Floyd's upside."

2. Julio Jones vs. Odell Beckham Jr. [22:20 - 23:22]:

   • Matt Harmon [22:31]: Chooses Odell Beckham Jr. over Julio Jones due to Beckham's superior route-running and higher catch success rate.

     "Beckham is the perfect route runner... He's just an incredible player, in my opinion."

   • Jason Moore [23:26]: Addresses concerns about Beckham's off-field distractions but maintains faith in his abilities.

     "I really like A.J. Green... A.J. Green to me is safer than Mark Ingram who has an injury history."

3. Mike Wallace Sleeper Pick [50:51 - 52:08]:

   • Matt Harmon [52:09]: Sees Mike Wallace as a potential breakout in Baltimore’s shuffling offense, projecting him to start and provide high upside in best ball formats.

     "Mike Wallace ends up being one of the starting receivers there and that he ends up having like in best ball. It's great because we know that he will have lid popping weeks."

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Mailbag Highlights

The bulk of the episode features the hosts addressing listener-submitted questions, providing personalized advice on various fantasy football scenarios.

1. DeAndre Washington Handcuff [12:02 - 13:16]:

   • Matt Harmon [12:28]: Recognizes potential in DeAndre Washington as a pass-catching back in PPR leagues, suggesting his ability to transition from a handcuff role.

     "He could graduate from the handcuff to handcuff."

2. Touchdown-Only League Strategy [16:53 - 18:03]:

   • Jason Moore & Mike Wright [17:04]: Recommend prioritizing quarterbacks and running backs over wide receivers and kickers due to the scoring structure emphasizing touchdowns.

     "My advice is go heavy with those guys and just find your quarterbacks. Later."

3. Keeper Decision: John Brown vs. Mark Ingram vs. Duke Johnson [36:01 - 42:56]:

   • Matt Harmon [36:45]: Advocates for Ryan Matthews due to his consistent performance and PPR value, while warning against higher-round picks like John Brown and Duke Johnson due to potential risks.

     "I would probably be Ryan Matthews... he's a guy I'll break the rule for."

   • Andy Holloway [41:08]: Supports A.J. Green over Mark Ingram based on consistency and lower injury risk.

     "A.J. Green is the safest option between the two."

4. Handcuffing Strategies [43:24 - 45:48]:

   • Matt Harmon [44:23]: Reiterates his stance against handcuffing unless the backup has standalone value, favoring flexibility over roster clutter.

     "I hate to, like, play fantasy with the idea that one of my picks is gonna fail."

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Closing Remarks

As the episode concludes, Matt Harmon shares his Twitter handle and hints at future collaborations on YouTube, where he will discuss camping and wilderness experiences. The hosts wrap up by encouraging listeners to utilize their draft kits and engage with the podcast community online.

• Matt Harmon [57:23]: "You can find me on Twitter at Matt Harmon_underbyb where I will soon be talking about football again, I promise."

• Hosts [58:10]: Remind listeners to visit their website and follow them on Twitter for additional content and updates.

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Notable Quotes

• Andy Holloway [03:19]: "I think Isaiah Crowell will outperform his value easily."
• Matt Harmon [19:39]: "He has the chemistry already built up with the quarterback."
• Jason Moore [22:31]: "Beckham is the perfect route runner."
• Mike Wright [31:14]: "Let those guys have a keeper draft."
• Matt Harmon [44:23]: "I hate to play fantasy with the idea that one of my picks is gonna fail."

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This episode offers comprehensive insights into player evaluations, drafting strategies, and league-specific tactics, making it a valuable resource for fantasy football enthusiasts seeking expert advice and nuanced analysis.

Transcript

[Matt Harmon]

This is Matt Harmon and you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, we have a special show today.

[Mike Wright]

If you're on the YouTube, you already.

[Jason Moore]

Know and if you're not, you don't. But we've got a good Show. It's Tuesday, June 16, the fantasy footballers Podcast. And we have an in studio guest that first time.

[Matt Harmon]

What?

[Jason Moore]

First time ever. Matt Harmon from NFL.com is here.

[Mike Wright]

How you doing, Matt?

[Matt Harmon]

I'm spectacular. This is an honor to be the first in studio guest. I don't really know how we got here, but here we are.

[Mike Wright]

Well, Matt Harmon had a. He was on a voyage around the continental United States.

[Matt Harmon]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Send out a picture. I'm gonna be in Northern Arizona. And I was like, what? How do you go to Northern Arizona and you don't come down.

[Matt Harmon]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

And hang out with the fantasy footballers?

[Matt Harmon]

Absolutely. Well, after seeing all of the beautiful parts of the state of Arizona, which, by the way, is quickly climbing up my state power range.

[Mike Wright]

Really?

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. There are so many good things to see in this state. I'm enthralled by the natural beauty of it. So after that, obviously I got to come down here to the hot part of the state.

[Mike Wright]

The really hot part.

[Andy Holloway]

Take it down a notch on your love.

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah, exactly. I had to cool it down a little, you know, the whole time I'm driving through the Painted Desert, seeing the meteor crater. I've got the Grand Canyon tomorrow. And then, but of course I gotta, you know, like you said, sobered up a little bit, realize that there's part of the States where it's like 115 degrees.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome.

[Jason Moore]

You're seeing the Grand Canyon tomorrow, you said.

[Matt Harmon]

Yes. That's like the last thing I'm going to do.

[Jason Moore]

Oh. So it'll go right back up the list because that's just incredible.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Little known fact, lived here my whole life. Never seen the Grand Canyon.

[Jason Moore]

What?

[Matt Harmon]

Dude, what are you doing?

[Jason Moore]

Really?

[Andy Holloway]

I know.

[Jason Moore]

That's shameful.

[Andy Holloway]

I hate myself.

[Mike Wright]

And also, Harmon's timing was perfect because we have been in an excessive heat warning now for about four days. You're welcome.

[Jason Moore]

For all those that ask how white we are, it's because we do not go outside. No, you don't want to burn alive. So we got an exciting show we're doing. We're doing Mailbag with Matt Harmon today. So we're gonna answer questions. We. We put it out there on Twitter. So we grabbed a few that are Harmon specific. They Want to ask you some questions. And then we've got a lot of mailbag questions sent in on the website. The fancy footballers.com. you can go there, submit a question. You can Visit us on jointhefoot.com or fantasy football community where we have an extra episode every week. We just did a giveaway and we're getting the giveaway for next month altogether, which will be a lot of fun. Follow us on Twitter @TheFF Ballers. And obviously, I mean, with an in studio guest, you got to go to YouTube. You got to subscribe to the show on YouTube and catch us on there.

[Mike Wright]

The Harmon hair is on fire.

[Andy Holloway]

Looking good.

[Matt Harmon]

I really appreciate that.

[Jason Moore]

He's going to be here for the show after the show as well.

[Mike Wright]

He is.

[Matt Harmon]

I'm gonna be here for a while. Hey, listen, I got nowhere to be.

[Jason Moore]

So the longest show we're ever doing. So quick question for the day. We'll start it off right now. What player going outside the top three rounds right now do you expect to surprise people this year? So it's a broad question.

[Mike Wright]

You expect it's going to happen?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Somebody going outside the top three rounds. A big surprise outside of the top three rounds. Could be good or bad. Could be good or bad.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll go with a good one. I'll skip over my Kobe Fleener love because I share that too.

[Jason Moore]

You should skip that.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm gonn. I think Isaiah Crowell is a guy. I mean, we're talking. I know you said outside of the top three rounds. I could say outside of the top whatever. Thirteen rounds. Wherever he's going.

[Mike Wright]

Eight, ten right now. Eight, ten.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So he's going very late. You know, the Wolverine led offense there for the Cleveland Browns.

[Jason Moore]

Hugh Jackman.

[Andy Holloway]

Hugh Jackman, yeah. Who I have now, Nick.

[Matt Harmon]

I loved that. That was great. I saw somebody, I think you guys retweeted. Somebody photoshopped it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. Well, let's get that going. Let's get, let's get that nickname.

[Jason Moore]

I saw Mike said, you know, he would absolutely coach shirtless if Wolverine was the coach.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. He would have no shirt for sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So I just like Jim Tomsula.

[Mike Wright]

Jim Tomsula was so upset.

[Jason Moore]

He didn't.

[Mike Wright]

Well, he wasn't actually fired. He quit because he couldn't coach shirtless.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that was the big deal. But with, with, with Isaiah Crowell, what I think is going to happen is I think you're going to have a team that runs the ball as their primary function. They spent, you know, they had 14 draft picks, none of them Went on a. On a running back. Duke Johnson is getting all the love right now. And if you're in a standard league, I think Isaiah Crowell will outperform his value easily. I'm not saying he's going to be a top back, but definitely somebody that you can grab in the 8th that can be in your roster, making a difference for your team, getting points. If you're starting wide receiver heavy and you need to be able to have someone to plug in, that's going to get points. I think Coral is going to. Going to surprise.

[Jason Moore]

All right, who's next, man?

[Mike Wright]

I'm looking through the list here, trying to figure out a name that maybe we haven't brought up who I believe in still and right now the name who's popping off because I wanted to go real late. We've mentioned it before, but I want to give him a little bit more. And that is Willie Snead from the New Orleans Saints. Yeah, Harmon approved.

[Matt Harmon]

Great call.

[Mike Wright]

And look, he had almost 1,000 yards in what was essentially his rookie year. It wasn't. It wasn't actually his rookie year, but the, the. I think the people are reacting strongly to the Michael Thomas draft pick and I just. Willie Sneed is plugged in. He's got the trust, he's got the chemistry already built up with Drew Brees. I think we tend to forget about those types of things. We forget about this human element. We think we just, oh, he's a good receiver. Plug him in and he's, he's great in the system. Immediately where Willie Snead has shown it and getting drafted in the 11th round, the number two wide receiver for the New Orleans Saints, Drew Brees, leads the league almost every single year or is in the top three for completions and yardage and touchdowns. So how would you not want that guy on your team?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think we agree with that.

[Matt Harmon]

I'm with you on that one. And I think that actually Michael Thomas and there have been some positive reports out of there. Well, there's been some reports where he's going to not beat out Brandon Colby. There's also been. He and Breeze are completely sympathic already, which is great. I actually think that Thomas hurts Fleener. Sorry to say, I think that he hurts Fleener a little bit more because I think the appeal of Fleener was him splitting wide, playing in the slot in the red zone. That's the things that Michael Thomas is going to do. And I think Snead is cemented already in that role. I really like him. He's a reception perception favorite. If I ever do actually get back to my real life and start writing about football again, he'll be one of the first ones that I talk about.

[Jason Moore]

I think I'm going to throw this name out there because we mentioned him a little bit. There's so many guys that at the tight end position, we feel like you can wait on. I'm going to throw Vance McDonald's name out there. Oh, as somebody who's surprised because, I mean, your options are surprised. That's it. I mean, he's, he's outside the, you know, 13th round and Vance McDonald's somebody who is coming on stronger towards the end of the year and had the concussion probably the week that everybody finally rolled him out there. And you have Tori Smith, who I know you know, Harmon, and yes, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

I have some support.

[Andy Holloway]

You finally, finally. If Torrey Smith comes up, there's actually a battle.

[Jason Moore]

Again, not reading too much into the coach speak, but yesterday a good report that said Tori Smith was. I think I told you this, Mike. I said he's. They said he's the best looking 49ers wide receiver. And Mike's like, okay, well, of course.

[Andy Holloway]

Do they have other receivers?

[Matt Harmon]

Yes, in theory they do. Like there are. There are on the roster.

[Jason Moore]

They put the WR by in.

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I like, I like Vance McDonald. He wouldn't surprise me to finish as a top 10 tight end. But the question is, no, I would not be surprised the same. You saw Gary Barnage last year. It's one of those type of roles where the opportunity is there. But my question is, would you draft him? Would you actually draft Vance McDonald in a standard.

[Jason Moore]

I would draft Vance McDonald late if I had waited on a tight end and I wanted to take. I mean, maybe there's somebody ahead of him. I mean, I choose Ebron over him. Yeah, if you're sitting late in the draft. But I would, I would consider it.

[Mike Wright]

So, Harmon, for these bodies in San Francisco, is there anybody else at the wide receiver position there that you give any kind of care about?

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah, actually, I really do. Like, I like. Okay, First, I like DeAndre Smelter coming to school a lot, but there's already been, you know, there's some kind of negativity with him like that. There's, you know, he can't hardly get the reps without having to see a trainer. You know, he missed all of his rookie season, but he's really talented. Also super, super deep. I like Bruce Ellington a lot coming out of school and, you know, One thing about this trip is I've, like, you know, a lot of time. I haven't done a lot of research lately because I haven't been hooked up to a lot of Internet.

[Jason Moore]

But you found the right show.

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah, no, no research. Just straight shooting. No, but seriously, I've been, you know, just meditating on these things, and I remember really liking Bruce Ellington at South Carolina. I think he fits kind of in the profile of the athletes that Chip like to use in San Francisco. So, you know, you can get him in, like, the 20th round of MFL10s, and I will definitely take a shot because I think he's talented and he's shown some interesting production, like as a rusher and a receiver and a return man in the NFL and back at South Carolina. So he's someone to keep an eye on.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things where you have to kind of find some names in San Francisco with the quantity of plays that are going to be run. They might be disaster plays, but the quantity will be there.

[Mike Wright]

And the deal is there will. There will be points scored. Maybe they're not going to lead the league in points, but they'll get yards. They'll get points. They're still a professional football team. They won't have negative yards every single week.

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah, that's maybe a couple times. That's the argument that I keep getting into. People with Geno Smith, like, I know Marcus Grant. You know, God love him, he's a 49ers fan. And we go back and forth about this when we're like, you know, getting our aggregate rankings together. He's like, well, what's the point of all these plays if, you know, 75% of the balls thrown at him are going to be at his feet? And it's like. But still, the play volume matters, especially when you're that late in fantasy drafts. Like some of the. Like you said, some of these guys are going to score points.

[Jason Moore]

That's why I liked MFL10 specifically. People grabbing Brandon Marshall while the doubt is there about Ryan Fitzpatrick, because he's going third round somewhere and for a guy that was number three. All right, real quick. I want to take a second and thank today's sponsor, pristineauction.com we have a whole group of Foot Clan members that are now addicted to this site because it is the absolute best place to get authentic autographed memorabilia, sports memorabilia and beyond. This is the place that we're getting the signed Leve Bell jersey, the signed Ty Hilton jersey. This is where we get all our autographed memorabilia. And it is run by some really great people. And here's the cool thing. Every single day, they have hundreds of daily auctions. This is not waiting a week and not being able to interact with this auction and get it right away. This is every single night. They're closing, so we love them. Check them out. Pristineauction.com that's pristineauction.com P R I S T I N E auction.com check them out. So before we get into the mailbag itself, I want to remind everybody about the ultimate draft kit. You can see some more sleepers and breakouts. Ultimate DraftKit.com you can get in on that. Let's do it. Let's jump into the mailbag.

[Andy Holloway]

Mailbag.

[Mike Wright]

Mailbag.

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

This is gonna be fun.

[Matt Harmon]

Wait, that's actually you. That does that. That's not part of the drive.

[Jason Moore]

Now you know.

[Mike Wright]

That's live.

[Jason Moore]

Now you know.

[Andy Holloway]

It's amazing because it always sounds the same. Identical. He nails it every time.

[Matt Harmon]

That is true talent, ladies and gentlemen.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

It's his guitar, too.

[Matt Harmon]

Oh, perfect.

[Jason Moore]

So it's perfect. Yeah. So, yeah, this will be great because I got someone else on my side of the desk that, you know, I'm not alone.

[Andy Holloway]

You always feel like we team up on you.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. But really, there's always two bad opinions on the other side of the deck. Go ahead. If you have a question. I didn't give out the voicemail hotline. 302464, TFFB. If you want to leave us a voicemail question and again, go to the website, the fancyfootballers.com, click the submit a question button if you want to submit your own question for the show. We are going to start with a voicemail question.

[Mike Wright]

Guys, it's C. Balls.

[Andy Holloway]

How's it going?

[Jason Moore]

I've got a question about fifth round rookie DeAndre Washington out in Oakland. I'm actually a big tech Tech fan. Is there any chance he can go.

[Andy Holloway]

From being a handcuff this year to being a handcuff?

[Jason Moore]

That was well done. I really. That was nice. Yeah. That was the end. So handcuff hand or a handcuff? What do you think, Harmon?

[Matt Harmon]

That's a really good question. You know, one of the first pieces I wrote for NFL.com when I got hired last year in July, which is. It's almost been a year.

[Andy Holloway]

Whoa.

[Mike Wright]

Congratulations.

[Matt Harmon]

Very nice. They haven't wised up and fired me yet, but it's coming though. They did send me away.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. They just sent you across the country. Go take a vacation.

[Matt Harmon]

We need a little break from you. We'll see you back in the.

[Jason Moore]

Go camping in remote parts of the world.

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah, don't come back. That was the kind of subtle hint, but one of the first pieces I wrote was about how I'm not really a big fan of handcuffs and especially if they don't have standalone value in a standard in a, you know, a typical redraft league, it's. It's kind of tough to endorse that. But I think that Washington could have standalone value as like in ppr, as a pass catcher. So I think he could graduate from the handcuff to handcuff.

[Jason Moore]

Nice.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Matt Harmon]

That was a really, really valuable.

[Jason Moore]

No, that was nice. We'll take it.

[Mike Wright]

It was probably the worst I've ever heard, but it was, it was there.

[Andy Holloway]

A for effort a forever.

[Matt Harmon]

But yeah. So I think that he could. And I think we need to follow, you know, that kind of what we always need to hear with young players in the offseason, which is that drum beat. Like we need that to start happening soon, continue into training camp and then see some good preseason games out of him.

[Jason Moore]

So a good follow up to that is a question that was submitted on Twitter specifically for you and it was about Latavius Murray. So I mean the question that they asked was, is he being overlooked? But is Murray the kind of guy that allows that drumbeat to push the guy forward?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Matt Harmon]

Well, it's so hard to know what the Raiders really think about Latavius.

[Jason Moore]

We were hoping you knew because I have no idea.

[Matt Harmon]

Listen, if you read on my Twitter bio, the last sentence is I don't have all the answers. So remember, it's my easy cop out to these sort of things. But no, I. Murray's hard to know for sure because they at different points really sounded like they were high on him. But they also said they needed to add other running backs. But we don't know what that really means in terms of what the value they want out of that running back is. But I do think he's kind of being overlooked. Like he was what, top five in the league in carries last year and I think he probably will be again. Especially my biggest problem with Latavius Murray last year was that he was going to be a two down running back on a bad team. But they're. The Raiders are kind of an ascending team. So if they're on better game scripts this year, he'll still get the volume.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And number three in attempts Number five in yards.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. The way that. The way that I see the lay of the land there is, you know, they've said nice things about Latavius Murray. They've also said, you know, they need to get more out of him. Right. Because we saw a lot of bad play out of him. He got benched multiple times, one point, and yet he still went over a thousand yards. And so I don't think it's a surprise, though, when the coach comes out and says we need to add more running backs there, because they need to add, like, what. What's their other option? Roy. Hello. Like, he wasn't even there last year. So, you know, I think all the. All the times that they've come out and said we need to get someone else there for running back, I think what happens is that makes us take Latavius Murray down, when in reality it's just common sense that they need to add more depth at running back there. That's my take. But then again, I'm the Latavius Murray lover here.

[Matt Harmon]

Here's. Here's the thing about Murray. You know, there's a lot of running backs this year, kind of in that fourth to sixth, maybe even a little bit seventh round range that they're going to get carries kind of like by default. I've been listening to a lot of podcasts, and one of them, including your guys, of course, but on the couch with Sigmund Bloom, he was talking about this with Jake Seeley recently. Like, this group of running backs, like, you know, Matt Jones, Jay Ajayi, these kind of guys, Murray kind of fits into that, though. We've just already seen a season of him being that guy, like, getting carries because, hey, there's nobody else here.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we ran through some of our tears on the other show and we. Our tier four is just this tear of death of you. You have no clue. I mean, one of these. One or two of those guys is probably gonna hit, but it's like it's the Matt Joneses and you just. You have no idea. If there were. The teams seem like he's the guy right now because there's no one really behind like a Matt Jones, but that could easily change. You have. We have so much time for that to change.

[Jason Moore]

I think with Murray, you have to accept the what he will be in that offense. I think the last year there was the shine and potential of being this guy that makes a lot of breakaway plays and maybe goes over the top, but you saw somebody that was more of a volume type of running Back, which is fine. And it's great. I mean, look at the numbers. But I think you just have to accept that.

[Matt Harmon]

Right?

[Jason Moore]

So. All right, let's go ahead. Let's go to another voicemail question here. Hey, guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Philip, out here in Vegas, I play.

[Matt Harmon]

In a touchdown only league which has.

[Jason Moore]

A very expensive buy in, by far.

[Andy Holloway]

The most expensive league I play in.

[Jason Moore]

So I was hoping you guys could.

[Matt Harmon]

Shed a little light on some draft strategy.

[Jason Moore]

In a league where you only get points for TDs, defense and kickers. Yeah, I don't like that.

[Mike Wright]

That's old school. You get touchdowns, touchdowns, defenses and kickers are the only way you score points.

[Jason Moore]

You ever played in the league like that.

[Matt Harmon]

Step one, leave that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, that's actually true. And you're putting a lot of money. Here's what's crazy is if you want to win that league, you've got to get the best kicker, which is so stupid. I'm Mr. Anti Kicker, but kickers put up points every single week in a league like that. And other guys just so often put up a zero. Obviously you need guys to get touchdowns, but kickers are extraordinarily important in a league like that. Andy and I were in a league like that a couple of years ago.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that was rough for one year.

[Andy Holloway]

Because we got in and it was a friend of ours and Phil Dawson.

[Jason Moore]

Was the real steal of the draft.

[Mike Wright]

The only advice I'll give is I was in that league with Andy Jason.

[Jason Moore]

I actually.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you were there. Sorry.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I won.

[Jason Moore]

You won it.

[Mike Wright]

I won that league.

[Andy Holloway]

Who was your kicker?

[Mike Wright]

And I was in the championship. Back to back.

[Andy Holloway]

The.

[Jason Moore]

The kicker.

[Mike Wright]

I would. What I did was I streamed hardcore with my kickers, my defenses and my quarterback. Where you think, oh, I'm in a touchdown heavy league. I got to get the best quarterback. I punted. I punted and I rode. This was the Bills year with Ryan Fitzpatrick. I rode him for a while. I rode Josh McCowan when he was with the Bears. You can find two touchdowns a week from your quarterback. They're really hard to find a consistent wide receiver, running back who you know is going to score. So that. My advice is go heavy with those guys and just find your quarterbacks. Later.

[Jason Moore]

Players like Chris Ivory might get a bump up Jeremy hill. Jeremy Hill.

[Andy Holloway]

LeGarrett blunt.

[Jason Moore]

You can like Jerry.

[Andy Holloway]

I love Michael Keaton.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, that was Michael moment.

[Jason Moore]

You can. You can love Jeremy Hill again. Just get in some team.

[Mike Wright]

Hey, gross.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, seriously. All right, this is a good one because I want to know this answer. To Caldwell 1985. Sent in this one for Mr. Matt Harmon said, can you give your unbiased take? So make sure it's not the biased one. Do the unbiased one. On the three receivers in Arizona, he is torn between. He gives 15 and 12 here. So John Brown and Michael Floyd.

[Mike Wright]

Correct.

[Jason Moore]

Which Jason and I are torn on too.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

Well, not torn on.

[Andy Holloway]

I have an opinion and I want to see the tiebreaker.

[Jason Moore]

He's on my side of the desk, so I know the answer. But go ahead.

[Matt Harmon]

I saw, I saw this one as I was pulling up to your guys illustrious studio here.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Matt Harmon]

And I love that it said unbiased because I think everybody knows that my. My love and affinity for John Brown.

[Jason Moore]

But that's the biased.

[Matt Harmon]

That's the biased answer. But it's. I still think it's the right. See the thing about. The thing about Brown, I think he really kind of is the best of both worlds of the two other guys. Like he has the weak winning upside that Michael Floyd does, but he also, for a while there when they were all healthy, was super consistent. Like had a really high reception. Yeah, his catch rate was like 70% while his average depth of target was still pretty deep down the field. Like just really dialed in on the consistency thing. And I think that he and Palmer have a really great chemistry when this is sort of, you know, anecdotal stuff like out in the air. But I really do love John Brown. He's the guy I have highest ranked because of that. And I like Michael Floyd's upside. Like I could see him really, you know, owning this year, but it's also still kind of one thing after another with him and I feel like you guys probably would understand that.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Matt Harmon]

Guys, to follow the team, I've had to.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I've had to slide him down my rankings as I've gone from kind of the optimistic view of a perfect season for him. Because you saw the end of last year, you know, where he had multiple.

[Mike Wright]

Five of his. Five of the last eight games he was over 100 yards.

[Jason Moore]

Right, right. So you see that and then you start to want to project it, especially as a hometown guy for Floyd. But I've had to move him down just from the risk factor. You mentioned the anecdotal thing. So I want to ask you this because I think I talked about it on the last show. Do you. You know, Matt Harmon is known for reception perception and really breaking down wide receivers and giving some just incredible insight to that position. Kind of the industry leader at that position.

[Mike Wright]

HE SHRUGS NONCHALANTLY yeah, well, I mean, but.

[Jason Moore]

But we love it. We love that analysis. One thing I brought up with a guy like Keenan Allen or some other players is, you know, you don't have the. On the back of the trading card. There's not a stat for. Okay, when the. When the quarterback starts rolling out to the right and the play breaks down, does this guy find separation? Does he run to the open spot? Do you consider those type of things in your analysis of wide receivers?

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah, if you look at the reception perception route tree charts, there's a little thing that branches off on the end called other, and that's kind of where I put those. But the problem is, like, it's really hard to. Because I also include, like, fade routes in there. So it is kind of just that, like I said, all that other stuff, catch all, because unfortunately, there's really no way to, like, make that look aesthetically pleasing.

[Jason Moore]

Sure. No, I got it.

[Matt Harmon]

But. So that is one thing that I definitely take into account. You know, it plays where the guy, like, breaks down like that. That definitely goes into the other. Or if it's just like, if you can tell which route he was on, he was already open, and then breaks it out, I'll usually put. Put it back into the original route that he's running. But there's. There's definitely something to be said about.

[Andy Holloway]

I have a question for Harmon, my own listener question. Now, this is not for a friend asking for a friend. No, this is.

[Matt Harmon]

This is.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, so take fantasy. I don't. I'm not asking who finishes higher in fantasy, but you watch so much tape on the receivers. Who is the better wide receiver, Julio Jones or Odell Beckham?

[Matt Harmon]

Oh, man, that's a great. It's a great question. And yes, I did it. There you go. A plus for effort again. I think it's Odell. I think that I love Julio Jones, and he is great at what he does. I mean, he has a litany of what I call trump cards, you know, things that even if he makes a mistake on the first three plays, that, you know, the fourth one is just going to be outrageous because he has the physical ability and mentality to really dominate guys, but he's still not a very precise route runner, which, again, is fine for the player that he is. But Beckham is the perfect route runner, which is freakish the way he can do things, especially at a young age. Talk about reception perception. His rookie year, he had the higher success rate versus man coverage that still has ever been charted by the System. So he is just an incredible player, in my opinion. He's the guy that, if I was starting a team, I would take him over Jones.

[Jason Moore]

And the Kardashian situation. How do you weigh in on that?

[Matt Harmon]

That was honestly a nightmare because there was a few people that, like, you know, added me. You know, mentioned me on Twitter, like, hey, you got to move. You got to move Beckham down the rankings. And again, this was when I was out in the wilderness, and I'm like, what's. What happened? What did I miss? And then I was like, oh, this is it. I know he's hurt.

[Mike Wright]

He's hurt.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I know.

[Matt Harmon]

I was like. I was like, oh, my God, he tore an acl. Or like, he had some sort of, like.

[Jason Moore]

They brought me on a radio show, and that was the only question they asked me was the Kardashian impact on Odell Beckham Jr. And they were really trying to force it. After I said, don't worry about it. He's really good. It was like, yeah, but. But you got to move him down, right? I was like, move him up. He's really good.

[Mike Wright]

Move him up.

[Matt Harmon]

Contrarian Pick questions.

[Jason Moore]

You're gonna move. All right, let's go to another question here. This is Mike in Chicago who tries to throw a bonjour in there, but, dude, you don't get to say that you're from Chicago.

[Andy Holloway]

That's for international.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Come on. Hey, guys. Love the show. Withstood many victories with all the good help and got third last year. The champ was the only other listener of your podcast in the league, and so bad luck for him, I guess. He said the league just voted out kickers this year.

[Mike Wright]

Congratulations.

[Jason Moore]

Something that he was against, but they added a flex position that allows you to put a kicker in as well if you want to, which I've never heard of, actually. So now his question is, does this mean I should try to pull a fast one and grab a kicker in the draft?

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Is that a value?

[Mike Wright]

No, I wouldn't. I mean, there is. The fluctuation of the kicker is just week to week. I mean, you look. You look at a guy who's great, like, well, Goskowski is actually pretty consistent.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you draft Goskowski because he's going to put up, you know, 12 points in that flex spot?

[Jason Moore]

If. Look, it's a question of league size to me. If the league's big enough and there's enough, you know, they're flexing out a guy, it's two or three wide receiver. I don't know, you might have a baseline that's safer with a Goskowski alone him. But this is me trying to make a story.

[Mike Wright]

Anybody else it would be.

[Matt Harmon]

No, I don't know. Where's the camera that I can looking? Hold on.

[Mike Wright]

We'll get you.

[Jason Moore]

We'll put it on.

[Matt Harmon]

Perfect.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Matt Harmon]

Anyway, it's one of these cameras.

[Jason Moore]

There you go. Right there. Right there.

[Matt Harmon]

Listen, well, I know I do want to speak to the people here real quick because I think this is a. This is a time to do it. If you guys read Adam Ranks column on NFL.com I've seen a takeover Twitter. Yeah, we saw what happened with it. I just want to put a little PSA out there to the people. Read the whole article. Like, he never actually says, I'm taking a kicker in the fifth round and you should, too. Unfortunately, our social media people at NFL God love you guys. But they said in the, in the original tweet when they tweeted his article out, he makes the case for why you should take a kicker. It was just a fun little story. Let's everybody relax on that. But I want to stand up for rank because he's good people. But in terms of the actual question, I have no idea. Other than Goskowski. These kickers are so hard to predict.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, that's true.

[Andy Holloway]

Now, I saw you shrug at when I celebrated the removal of the kicker position. I've been for years in our league trying to do that. What's your take on. Because I know a lot of people are, you know, look, there's kickers in the NFL. They score points.

[Jason Moore]

We had another question came in. The guy said the same thing. He says he doesn't want to remove it. Right. If they're in the NFL, they should score on your face.

[Andy Holloway]

And our league, that I've been trying to get it voted out in our league of record, we've always said that I'm the crazy one, and that's fine. I usually am. But Harmon, what's just your opinion on the kicker position?

[Matt Harmon]

Get it out. All right?

[Andy Holloway]

Get it out.

[Matt Harmon]

I don't care. I mean, listen, there are a lot of players in the NFL. You know, are you going to do a full IDP then on, right.

[Mike Wright]

Where's the offensive line?

[Matt Harmon]

Right. Are you going to have a fantasy football?

[Jason Moore]

I want a fullback.

[Matt Harmon]

Right. I mean, all these sort of like the blocking tight end, specifically.

[Mike Wright]

Can you imagine if there was a fullback position? Like, there's just a small handful of guys.

[Matt Harmon]

They become the new Bronx Holbert first round.

[Jason Moore]

The Name that's engaging me. Who is the guy that he was in Baltimore. He also.

[Matt Harmon]

Ron McClain.

[Jason Moore]

No, he's the fullback that was in front of Arian as well. Was that him?

[Matt Harmon]

Laron McLean is the guy who ran, like, for 900 yards and scored a bunch of touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I just.

[Matt Harmon]

The fullback one random year, and then he, like, never got touches again.

[Jason Moore]

All right, from Twitter at bin 155390.

[Andy Holloway]

At bin 15589 was taken.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah, he went to go up one. All right, what is. Matt. This for you, Matt, what is your absolute favorite place of nature is what he. How he terms it in terms of this road trip? What's your favorite place you've visited so far?

[Matt Harmon]

That is tough. And I'm glad he specified nature. Also. This is Ben Cummings. Shout to Ben. He's a good writer for Rotoviz, and I think he does some stuff with two QBs, too, so definitely check him out. But I think it's tough to say, like, I'm glad he included nature, because it would be kind of insulting if it was like, I drove all the way across the country to see my family, and, you know, they're like, bottom.

[Jason Moore]

Five, there's the Painted Desert, and then my mot. No.

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah, no. This is a really good question, and it's so hard to say. It would definitely be somewhere in Arizona. Cause like I said, this place is just full of breathtaking stuff. Honestly, when I saw the meteor crater yesterday, I think that was the most wow moment I've had so far. You just really feel the power of nature and the.

[Jason Moore]

How small you are.

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah, right. They have the telescopes there where you can see into these little tiny things that are now in the center. I'm like. I can't see that at all with, like, just my naked eye. That's. I'm just. Yeah. I'm so insignificant and small, which is definitely a nice thing.

[Jason Moore]

Enjoy the Grand Canyon.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, are you gonna do the. The skywalk, I think is.

[Jason Moore]

That's on the north side, though, of the canyon. Yeah.

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah. The trouble with all that is, like, I guess obviously I have Charlie with me, have the dog. So, like, I'm limited in what I can do at the Grand Canyon. I think they only let dogs on, like, the South Rim.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

There you go.

[Matt Harmon]

But it just gives me a reason to go back.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I've never gotten to do the walk. I've been to the canyon, but that thing looks just insane.

[Jason Moore]

The skywalk.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Where you're on the glass.

[Jason Moore]

Do you know what that Is.

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah, that's where you walk through like the glass.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you can walk out on the glass.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think I'd be able to do it, honestly.

[Mike Wright]

Crawling.

[Andy Holloway]

I'd be crawling. And if there's any kind of like metal beams in between the glass, I'd be on that part.

[Jason Moore]

My wife and I.

[Matt Harmon]

Okay, so as if the glass breaks. You're going to.

[Andy Holloway]

Then I'm going to hold on. Yes.

[Jason Moore]

My wife and I went there for our anniversary this past year and I literally, my apprehension was not with myself falling off. I couldn't stand watching all these kids.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh.

[Jason Moore]

Walking out to get photos, you know, cuz everybody's got their. Like the amount of selfie sticks I saw at the Grand Canyon was insane.

[Matt Harmon]

I should have thrown them all into.

[Jason Moore]

Just grab them and toss.

[Matt Harmon]

Those are the worst.

[Jason Moore]

But I was afraid for other people. That's what I really. I was like, oh my gosh, don't do that. Don't go out there and you know, every year like two or three selfie stick people fall in. So don't do that.

[Matt Harmon]

Harmon, I do not have a cell phone. I have, I have. I've like bogarted so many strangers on this trip to be like, can you take a picture of me and my dog?

[Jason Moore]

There you go. There you go.

[Mike Wright]

That's how we used to do it. What's wrong with that?

[Jason Moore]

Before the skywalks. All right, here we go. Voicemail. Question. Let's jump back into it.

[Mike Wright]

Hey, guys.

[Jason Moore]

Big pasty here. I just had a quick question about my formatting and I got a keeper league 10, man. Two of the players dropped out.

[Andy Holloway]

We're trying to replace them, but we.

[Mike Wright]

Need to find out how do we.

[Andy Holloway]

Replace them with the keeper position?

[Jason Moore]

The eight other people in our league want to keep their players.

[Matt Harmon]

What's the most fair way of doing it of assigning new keepers?

[Jason Moore]

Thank you. I got two ways to do it.

[Mike Wright]

Sounds like Big Stacy was taking a left.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, Big Stacy. I heard Dick Tracy.

[Jason Moore]

It's big. It's big.

[Mike Wright]

Well, whoever was.

[Matt Harmon]

I thought it was tasty.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, no.

[Matt Harmon]

So nobody knows?

[Jason Moore]

Nobody knows.

[Mike Wright]

But I heard the blinker. I hope you were on Bluetooth.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, he was in the car. I 2. 2 responses that I have right away for that one. I mean, look, you are already a keeper league. So they can just inherit the keepers.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Or choose them from the existing roster. But if you didn't want to do that, you could do it the same way we would expand in a keeper league, which is, you know, essentially let those guys Have a keeper draft.

[Mike Wright]

Supplemental.

[Jason Moore]

Supplemental pre draft, pre regular draft. If you know two or three keepers and let them alternate picks, flip a coin, whatever you want to do to establish their initial keepers. That way everybody can keep the ones that they have.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's the way I got into our league of record. I also have my other main kind of league of record, and that one is a little bit more harsh. And if you're a new team, you just don't get a keeper or they're actually. I think there's just very, very restrictive keeper rules of you can hold a guy, but that's it. You get him for one year and then you got to find your own, essentially.

[Jason Moore]

So there's.

[Mike Wright]

There's multiple ways to do it, but the best way is, is let them pick from the roster.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Just give them the team. Say, okay, you now own this team. Select your. Your keepers from the team.

[Mike Wright]

Your team sucks. Sorry.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome. Welcome to the league. That's how you got in.

[Matt Harmon]

I was. So you were what you were describing as kind of like a dispersal draft.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah. I was saying beforehand.

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah, that was what I would have.

[Jason Moore]

I would have said, yeah, yeah. And we did that. It worked out well. It worked out a little bit better in our league because we restricted keepers to a per position basis. So somebody couldn't in the supplemental grab like three running backs. Sure. So that made it easier. All right, Rob in Canada.

[Mike Wright]

Bonjour.

[Jason Moore]

My question is regarding draft tiers. I used them for the first time last year and I found myself flip flopping between picks less often. In a standard league, are running backs more valuable than wide receivers from the same tier, for example, in your consensus standard rankings? He says he loves the ultimate draft kit, by the way.

[Mike Wright]

Thanks, Rob.

[Jason Moore]

You have Mark Ingram and Amari Cooper at the top of your third tiers. Would you take Ingram over Cooper in a standard league? Also, would you consider adding a ranking for all positions in one of. In one with tiers? So he's asking for a top 200.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, the top 200.

[Jason Moore]

We've been asked that a lot.

[Andy Holloway]

So much so that we have almost got it finished.

[Jason Moore]

We just wanted to do it smart.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. One of the problems I have with having a top 200 personally, and I guess this is really just preference, but I prefer to draft with separate ranked tiers of positions. That way I can look at who's left at each position really clearly. Take a look at, you know, my wide receiver tier versus my running back tier and makeup. Yeah. You know, I think it's just clearer that way, but the people want it, we're going to give it. So as far as our running backs, more important in a standard league, I would say, you know, wide receivers will score less in a standard league, but in our rankings on the draft kit, that's already factored in. And I think it comes down more to roster makeup, right?

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

If you've got two running backs, two wide receivers and a flex in a standard league, I would say, yeah, running backs. If you're, if you're in the higher tier where they're scoring, I would rather have a running back. If you've got, you know, the three wide receivers, then wide receiver would be more important. Let's say you gentlemen.

[Mike Wright]

Actually, I want to, I want to flip it real quick for Harmon, for how do you fall on running backs versus wide receiver? Do you still like the old school? You got to have a strong running back. Have you been swayed by the zero running back arguments at all? Where are you in that area?

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah, I kind of tend to do like a hybrid of the zero running back where like, I'm fine taking one running back within the first kind of five rounds, but really I do want to, you know, heavily get involved in the receivers. Like this year especially has been doing much mock drafts and MFL10s. Like, I don't really feel good about my team if I don't come away with like two of those top 15 receivers.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Matt Harmon]

You know, and a lot of times it's been because I seem to keep getting this is first world problems, but I keep, I seem to keep getting like top three picks in MFL10s, which is really starting to get on my nerves every time. So I end up with a lot of like Odell Beckham, you know, Julio Jones and then like Demaryius Thomas. And I feel really good about that start this year especially. But yeah, so I kind of tend to do a little bit of a hybrid of it.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. That's, that's how I lean to. I still like to get a strong running back. I understand the variance and the fragility and these guys get hurt. It's just part of the game. And I mean, why we saw wide receivers can get hurt to everyone. You're playing football, it's a get hurt.

[Jason Moore]

It's a pendulum thing too. You know, you have one year where, you know, like the rookie wide receivers from a couple years ago, all of a sudden everybody wants to overdraft rookie wide receivers. You just got to be cautious with the pendulum swing. All right. The king in the north. Ooh. In Virginia.

[Mike Wright]

Wait, is this from the grave? Is this Rob?

[Jason Moore]

Rob?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Rob Stark.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, we're going Game of Thrones. It took me a second to get back.

[Matt Harmon]

If it's the King of the north in Virginia, that's like my people.

[Mike Wright]

So who's the king?

[Jason Moore]

Is it you? Are you the king?

[Matt Harmon]

I thought it was me.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you write this in? This question comes from Matt Harmon.

[Jason Moore]

I thought.

[Matt Harmon]

I thought I took that title, like, officially when I went back to visit. Just to remind people it's implied.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. You might have to file, like, a trademark claim here or something.

[Matt Harmon]

That is a good point.

[Jason Moore]

He says. Hey, guys, reigning Foot Clan champion here.

[Matt Harmon]

It's definitely not me.

[Jason Moore]

Who should I use my keeper pick on in this season? Can choose only one. John Brown in the fifth, Ryan Matthews in the seventh, or Duke Johnson in the seventh. And here's the kicker. Full point per reception, League 14 team.

[Mike Wright]

Oof.

[Andy Holloway]

That's an easy one for me. So I'm going to go last.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And Jason, I probably have the same answer.

[Jason Moore]

What do you got, Harmon? You get to kick it off.

[Matt Harmon]

This is kind of tough. It is, like, because John Brown's the one that you're getting, like, at value, in my opinion, because I take him in the fifth round. So I probably wouldn't do that one. I would probably be Ryan Matthews.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, that would be mine.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. I will be contrarian on this one. I'm gonna go Duke in the seventh in a full point per reception. I am a really big fan of Dude Johnson. I really am. And I am not a fan of the Browns and it. And so that. That conflict exists in my brain at every moment that I say anything about a Browns player, you know, and how they can produce. But I'm gonna go with Duke because I, you know, what did you mention earlier about the. The Raiders? They have to bring somebody in. It's a common sense thing. I think Philadelphia is in that same boat right now. Do you think you can go into the season with Smallwood?

[Andy Holloway]

And they've got Smallwood, they've got Kenyan Barner, they've got Sproules.

[Mike Wright]

They have enough bodies.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I guess with Barner, the thing, like.

[Matt Harmon]

I don't know, man, the tough part about the Ryan Matthews thing, and I know you've been a big fan. Like, you've been pumping him up a lot. And you're not the only one. Like, on the surface, he should definitely be a top 15 running back. You know, they funnel touches in Kansas City and Doug Peterson's offense to the running Backs. But at the same time it is still Ryan Matthews. We have to assume that he will probably be hurt at some point.

[Mike Wright]

Oh yeah, and that's, that's like the second thing that comes out of my mouth is he's massively talented with the opportunity, but his bones are made of glass, so.

[Jason Moore]

And Duke Johnson's got the same potential issues because if you remember last offseason.

[Mike Wright]

He'S like he was going to be dinged.

[Jason Moore]

He might have been the three down guy to start the year if it wasn't for the injuries that started.

[Matt Harmon]

But they're not going to pummel him with touches. Like no, they won't pummel Matthews with touches, which just means that he will eventually be hurt. So I kind of just. The one thing that gets annoying with him is like I think so many people are pumping him up that he's going to keep rising in drafts because like I would happily take him in the kind of six round range where he's been sitting, but if he gets up into the fourth round, then I'm out.

[Jason Moore]

I think he'll go higher than that. We were talking about on the show.

[Andy Holloway]

Though, third round by the time draft comes around, if nobody else is signed there. And I looked up on the ultimate draft kit, your ppr. Yeah, I'm sure.

[Jason Moore]

Ryan Matthews ahead.

[Andy Holloway]

No, Duke Johnson is ahead of Ryan Matthews.

[Jason Moore]

It's always good when your rankings match what your mouth says. All right, let's go to the voicemail. Another voicemail question here, assuming I can pull it up. Gentlemen, Tom from Northville, love the show. Called you a couple of months back and had a 12 team standard league question keeper question. It was AJ Green, Mark Ingram and Lamar Miller, Eddie Lacey and you advised to go with Mark Ingram after reading the ultra draft kit, which is great. Certainly lean towards your advice of A.J. green. Please advise. I also posted the question when I posted a picture on Twitter of my podcast awards vote and just wondering, you're going to have a top 200 in the ultimate draft kit and what's the best tools to bring to the draft? Should I just print out your Excel sheet or do you have another software you advise. Thanks a lot guys. Love the show.

[Matt Harmon]

This is a lot of questions.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he maximized his time.

[Matt Harmon]

I do love that he throws in there too. Like hey, also I need you guys to make some more stuff. The ultimate draft kits. Great. Give me some more though.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I like my favorite part of that was please advice.

[Matt Harmon]

Please advice.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, let's, let's start that trend going.

[Mike Wright]

Please advise.

[Jason Moore]

So I want to know how did he get the impression that the right pick was AJ Green based on the draft kit. Just the idea that we have Green ranked high because we don't have the top 200 in there. So he didn't see right ahead of Ingram.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he's the. I believe he's our fourth ranked wide receiver.

[Matt Harmon]

Ooh, ooh. Daps all around. He's mine too.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we love Green this year. So Ingram I believe is depending on your scoring form. And I didn't, I didn't see. I don't remember what he said but I think he's our sixth ranked running back or right around there. So by that you would just.

[Jason Moore]

I think it's a tough decision in a standard league. I think it's really tough.

[Andy Holloway]

I think it's a little tough. But I will say this. A.J. green to me is safer than Mark Ingram who has an injury history. For me I've said this a million times. My first two picks my round one around two. I am going to avoid risk guy because I think everybody there is great.

[Jason Moore]

I would say when it's that close.

[Andy Holloway]

You'Re going taking great guys. I just want the guy who's not going to bust, you know, as best as you can try. And A.J. green is the longest running wide receiver of thousand yard seasons active in the league right now.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I think it just, it comes down to how do you play because let's say both Green and Ingram live up to the potential and the expectations. Ingram is more valuable because you won't have, you don't have very many elite top level running backs but he comes with a much larger variance. And Ingram has he played a full 16? I think maybe a couple times.

[Matt Harmon]

I think 2014. Did he maybe play full 16?

[Mike Wright]

That's what we can't even remember.

[Matt Harmon]

The answer is probably not.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And that's. So that's the, the deal is there is a much higher risk. It's a risk reward.

[Jason Moore]

2012 he did play 16, but he only had 100.

[Matt Harmon]

That was when he wasn't doing 56 attempts.

[Mike Wright]

It's risk reward with Ingram. So you just got to how do you want to play?

[Matt Harmon]

These are all players I'm pretty high on. Like I mentioned, you know a few thoughts on this. Like one, I mentioned that the run like taking one running back in the first few rounds. Ingram's kind of that guy. I'm targeting in PPR because he had 8 RB1 weeks last year played. We all mentioned he only played 12 games but still like that rate of hitting was he was so consistent. Just. Just a great guy to have last year in PPR league. So if I'm playing in ppr, he's a guy I'll break the rule for. But I'm with you guys. On A.J. green's wide receiver four, he's in the same, like, because I break everything down by tiers. He's in the same tier one as Beckham, Brown and Jones. I think he's going to have that kind of season, like, where everything comes much like with Julio Jones last year where everything comes together for him. They funnel the offense through him. It's really looking like it's all adding up to A.J. green this year. So I would keep him because just in general, whenever it comes to keepers, I'm going to side on the wide receiver over the running back, like Jason mentioned, just because of fragility.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And the top 200, looking at that. Because you want the top 200. We've said it's coming. I actually have access to it right now, and I just looked. The standard ranking isn't done yet, but the half point pbr, we do have AJ Green ahead of Mark Ingram.

[Mike Wright]

There you go.

[Jason Moore]

How close are they on the top 200 on the. Since you have access and I don't.

[Andy Holloway]

Right now, mark Ingram is 13th overall and AJ Green is seventh.

[Mike Wright]

All right, I have a handcuff question, because you were talking about you're not really into the handcuff. What about a Mark Ingram situation where, like you said, dominant while playing but is known to miss some time? And then Timmy Hightower came in. It was. Was great for fantasy purposes. It seems like the Saints said two.

[Matt Harmon]

Leagues off him last.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And that we said the Saints said, K Hightower, it's your show. And I guess Cadet, I think, is still there, but that C.J.

[Jason Moore]

Spiller character still there, too.

[Matt Harmon]

And Daniel Asco, they took him in the seventh round. Spark freak.

[Mike Wright]

So what. How do you feel about Hightower handcuffing Ingram because he was so strong last year?

[Matt Harmon]

This is. That's my problem with Handcuffs is like, if you. I hate to, like, play fantasy with the idea that one of my picks is gonna fail, you know, and so if I'm holding Hightower the entire year, what, like, I'd like to see Mark Ingram play 16, not have to ever deal with Tim Hightower being in my lineup. So. And I don't just have. I just. I think he has no standalone value, obviously. So he's sitting there getting, you know, zeros and ones the entire season, filling a bench spot Burning a roster spot on him. And I just don't have, like, full clarity that they're going to do what they did with Hightower last year, which is just, you know, give him 30 touches again if Mark Ingram ever went down.

[Jason Moore]

I think that's why I feel that I feel the same way about handcuffing most of the time, because I'm honest with myself. I will get antsy about that roster spot, but I'll be like, I'm going to be real smart and I'm going to pick up, you know, the handcuff. And then by week three, I'm going, dude, I got to sign somebody I really want to sign, and I'll let him go. And then somebody else is going to fab him later on.

[Matt Harmon]

Well, that's the thing. Like, I am totally against handcuffing in drafts, but then in the season, like, especially after the bye week gauntlet is over, that's when you start loading up on guys like Tim Hightower because they will get dropped. Most likely, that will be the first guy to bounce. When you need to, like, claim the Devonta Freeman, the hot waiver guy of the week, Those guys will get bounced. And just especially, like, that's like the biggest thing that I always preach with handcuffs is like, we just don't really know. Like, remember when Jamal Charles went down last year? But he's like, Nile Davis. It's got to be Nile Davis. And it was never.

[Jason Moore]

It was never neither.

[Matt Harmon]

That happens much more often than we think.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And the best is when you have the league mates that think they're going to really get you by drafting your handcuff, and then they're stuck with this kind of pride situation. I've got to keep them on my roster. I got to keep them on my roster so I could show him. And then they drop, and then they.

[Andy Holloway]

Keep trying to trade him to. You try to get value, and you just. Here's what you do. You hold out and you pick them up off of waivers. When they're really trying to trade them to you, it's because they want to drop him, but they're like, oh, I got to get value for this guy.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Matt Harmon]

They're going to burn, like, a ninth round pick to do that, too.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah. For a guy like that. Anders in Copenhagen, Denmark.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, bonjour.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you.

[Matt Harmon]

You're welcome. I don't know if that's correct.

[Andy Holloway]

That. No, that's the. That's the joke.

[Mike Wright]

So maybe. Maybe we should explain.

[Jason Moore]

Well, there was one other that didn't yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. So the Bonjour joke evolved. I believe our first international question came from a. Now a good friend of the show, Dr. Football over in Ireland and Scotland. Or was it. Oh, yeah, Scotland. I apologize.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Dr. Football, sorry about the. Sorry about that.

[Matt Harmon]

But so he was former friend of the show.

[Mike Wright]

So it was, you know, hey, from. From Scotland. And so I just threw that out to be ridiculous. And it just, it kind of.

[Jason Moore]

All internationals get Bonjours.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. It just stuck. But now we, we do notice that.

[Matt Harmon]

Until just now.

[Mike Wright]

Well, that was, that was a long time ago.

[Jason Moore]

Which is why some. What a guy from Italy or something like, my name's Italian actually, it's not French. And we're like, yeah, we know. He said, hey, guys, I just saw Bucky Brooks projecting Hunter Henry to have 55 receptions, 700 yards and six touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

Wow.

[Jason Moore]

Do you agree with that? Is he draftable?

[Matt Harmon]

No, no.

[Andy Holloway]

I really like Bucky Brooks, but no, no way.

[Mike Wright]

Would you agree with that for Antonio Gates?

[Matt Harmon]

Oh, I mean, I dig Gates this year. It's tough. Tight ends is really kind of a mess. I know a lot of people have said like it's deeper than ever this year, but I don't feel good if I like after Barnage and Gates are like the last two guys that I really feel good about as like a, a standard league, you know, not a best ball like tight end option.

[Jason Moore]

If you look at what Green did with very little Gates activity last year, he was 37 for 4, 29 and 4.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And he was great. When Gates was suspended for four years, four years he was. He had a real serious problem and the NFL stepped in and they said, look, you get a clean it up for your band.

[Jason Moore]

You get a 42 year old.

[Matt Harmon]

That's why he's still playing at like age 50 because he got to take.

[Jason Moore]

It's hard to doubt. You feel like if Gates is just on the field, it doesn't matter how fast he runs, he's just going to.

[Mike Wright]

Get his and Henry's the rope. I would be shocked, shocked if that happened.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. All right, Patrick and Pittsburgh. I have Bell and Martin in a 12. Oh, another handcuff question. 12 Team MFL 10 PPR. I feel like these are both important handcuffs. Well, they're not, but I get what you're saying. So would you draft and what round would you draft? D'Angelo Williams or Charles Sims? Should I plan on making them my RB3 and 4?

[Andy Holloway]

No, you should.

[Jason Moore]

And then eat the two bye weeks with a late round flyer.

[Andy Holloway]

No, generally, there you go.

[Jason Moore]

Right back into the same conversation.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, specific to MFL10s, generally you don't want to draft your own handcuff. Like, like Harmon was saying, you hope that the guy's going to play the full 16.

[Jason Moore]

You.

[Andy Holloway]

You only win anything here. You know, if you win the league, you've got to have the best guys. Now there is a situation where I'll draft a handcuff if, let's say, you know, I've got Le'Veon Bell and my wide receivers are stacked and I just want to kind of. I know that my flex is always going to be a wide receiver and I'm just trying to plug in a little bit of safety at running back and I want to secure one of those spots, get it out of the way. And I won't draft that many total running backs. But that's a rare situation. I mean, what do you guys think?

[Mike Wright]

I'm with you. I'm not for MFL10s. I'm not really looking for my handcuffs. I'm just looking for upside and flyers.

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah. I don't know. Speaking of these two specifically, like Charles Simms to Doug Martin, I meant to keep talking about standalone value with handcuffs. Sims is the rare guy, especially in MFL10s where it's a full PPR. He does have standalone value. He will have some weak winning some weeks where he wins you or is in your lineup. So I think that he's probably an exception to the handcuff thing. And not to mention again, that's another thing I always say about handcuffs. Like it's not a handcuff if you're throwing like an eighth, ninth round pick into him. Where Sims generally goes. Yeah, that I consider like a real actual pick.

[Andy Holloway]

I didn't actually look at the specific Sims. Sims is a guy try to get in Almost all my MFL10. He's a pass catching back at over 500 on the ground. 500 through the air last year. He's great.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Dwell is not going to accidentally win you a week as long as Love Bell is healthy.

[Matt Harmon]

But. But is Lev Bell healthy now?

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Matt Harmon]

Will he be healthy then? That's why I kind of. We just talked about, you know, not taking somebody else's handcuffs. If it's my RB5 in an MFL10 and people are letting Williams slip to the 11th and 12th round, I will take him then. Because not to mention the other running backs that you're looking at, there are just a bunch of guys anyways and, you know, who knows if they're ever going to do anything like I'll take him over Darren Sproul.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Pat Mayo talked a lot about D'Angelo Williams and having some standalone value in terms of picking him up in the what he even said Mayo was.

[Mike Wright]

All in on just just holding him as a as a potential lottery but.

[Andy Holloway]

Not having standalone value without definite but.

[Matt Harmon]

We know the Steelers just funnel to that RB one like even in the playoffs when both of those guys were hurts, they were throwing a bunch of.

[Jason Moore]

Shoes fits Tucson that fumble.

[Mike Wright]

Oh man.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's we got a wide receiver question here. It'll be a good one Dave in or a bad one depending on your perspective. David in Taunton, Massachusetts what's your take on Mike like Star Wars?

[Mike Wright]

I'm actually really a Taunton I know.

[Jason Moore]

What's your take on Mike Wallace in Baltimore? He has him as a potential sleeper as he's a big target and we all know how much Flacco loves to sling the ball. I'm in a PPR league but I'm thinking in terms of touchdowns. I feel like as late as he's going, he's definitely got a lot of upside, but I hear nothing about him. Are people snoozing while I'm drooling?

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah. Jason's looking at me so I guess I can.

[Andy Holloway]

You're correct.

[Matt Harmon]

This Ravens offense is probably the hardest one to project right now because they are about four deep at tight end, four deep at running back and about seven deep at receiver. I don't really know how it's going to shake out, but it would not shock me at all if Mike Wallace ends up being one of the starting receivers there and that he ends up having like in best ball. It's great because we know that he will have lid popping weeks and you don't have to deal with the zeros that you're probably going to get. I don't think Mike Wallace is bad. I mean he's not as good as his contract ever like led people to believe. But at the same time he was such a poor fit with Ryan Tannehill and then was probably an even worse fit with Teddy Bridgewater. I think it's a good fit there in Baltimore. I think he probably could end up starting. Kamar Akin is the one guy in this group, though that I feel like secure about. And I know that's not answering the question, but I just wanted to say.

[Mike Wright]

It answers my question.

[Matt Harmon]

Well, because I think they already said that he's the favorite for the number two job, which I don't even think that they have like a Secure number one yet. But they're talking about him playing the slot. So he's the one I feel the most comfortable projecting. But yeah, it wouldn't shock me at all if Mike Wallace ends up putting sleeper weeks out there.

[Andy Holloway]

So with Mike Wallace last year, what did you see from Mike Wallace? Was, was did he lose a step or was it. Or was it Bridgewater? Why did Wallace stink so incredibly bad last year?

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah, well, I think that it's a poor fit. It was a low volume pass offense. But at the same time I think he's lost a step which for him like he's still one of the fastest receivers in the league even though he's lost a step. But sometimes when guys are over reliant on that trump card trait when they start to lose it a little bit. And the thing about him that like this is a long tangent that I won't go down but like he's a little bit different from most deep threats where like he's not the type of guy that's gonna win a ball in traffic or track the ball well, like he needs to just be thrown open with a lot of anticipation in the deep ball which I think Flacco has, which is good. But at the same time, yeah, he's not gonna be the guy that wins a contested catch. Like he needs to just streak open.

[Andy Holloway]

Gotcha.

[Jason Moore]

Alright, last question we have here in the mailbag. Mike from north of the wall says. Hey guys, just another. I know another Game of Thrones name. Hey guys, just wondering what your thoughts are on Derek Carr. He can keep him for a 10th rounder or Tyler Lockett Allen Hearns or Dorielle Green Beckham. I'm guessing for the same round. I would guess that the insinuation or he's also keeping Langford for an eighth and Kelsey for a ninth.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not a two quarterback, right?

[Mike Wright]

No. And it's a four point per tap passing touchdown and a half point ppr.

[Jason Moore]

I wouldn't be touching Carr with that.

[Mike Wright]

I would. Absolutely not. I talked about this maybe a couple weeks ago but we when we all thought Derek Carr was the next coming of the, of the great quarterback, he was playing against bottom half defenses. As soon as he started facing top half defenses his numbers fell apart. I know there's the variable of the Amari Coopie Cooper, the Amari Cooper injury, it's outstanding. It's factored into that. But I think Carr is an okay quarterback. So I would not be keeping him for the 10th. I would be throwing the, the chip onto Lockett or Hearn.

[Jason Moore]

I'd be trying to draft Carr way after the 10.

[Matt Harmon]

Yes. Carr Sneaky bad. The second half of the season, sneaky bad. Like sneaky bad. But yeah, I would. I never take. I never keep quarterbacks in keeper league. Like, because again, Carr in the 10th, you could get Kirk Cousins in the 13th. Probably going to get similar production of those receivers though. I'm really kind of getting more intrigued by Tyler Lockett. He's a guy that I'm going down. I'm going to be charting him. He's the first guy I have on the agenda to chart once I get off this trip.

[Jason Moore]

And you just fax me that paperwork.

[Andy Holloway]

Immediately, we'll buy a fax machine.

[Matt Harmon]

Elvis Doomerville, do you have a fax machine?

[Mike Wright]

That was a tremendous reference.

[Matt Harmon]

Oh, wow.

[Jason Moore]

I just like the idea of getting a Tyler Lockett fax coming across. These numbers look good.

[Matt Harmon]

I was gonna say, you know what?

[Jason Moore]

I'm buying. I'm buying.

[Matt Harmon]

I can like email you that. Bunch of dads anyways. But he's a guy really intrigued. I think I would keep him out of these guys. Cause I wanna believe in Dorial Green Beckham's upside. But at the same time, like, I don't even know if Mike Mullarkey likes that guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, so quick, Green Beckham, take. No. I like it where the. It feels like maybe I'm wrong, but it feels like the dynasty community loves Green Beckham. I see him go in the very, very high rounds and people are like, I'm buying in. The upside is great. And I'm like, I don't. I don't know. I mean, like, I would never spend that pick on him. It's not like I hate him and I think the potential is there. But it. It feels like the dynasty community as a whole loves Greenbeck.

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah. And I would put myself into that group, like in terms of just the raw ability, like he was the best player or not the best player, but the best receiver in that 2015 class just based on pure ability. There were obviously offset off field questions. He missed a year, you know, due to things. Yeah, so we know about that. But at the same time, like, he's. And he gets a little undersold for being like, he's just a go route runner that just, you know, because I got that a lot when I was tweeting about him. And that's definitely not true. Like, he runs a pretty good variety of routes and overall has some better technique than people give him credit for. But with that all being Said he's on the Titans, which we know they want to run the ball a lot. It's a low volume pass offense. Like, theoretically, this should be a second year breakout for him where he gets like 130 targets, but I just don't know if that's going to happen on this team.

[Andy Holloway]

A lot of. A lot of people there. Kendall Wright will be back. They brought in Rashad Matthews.

[Mike Wright]

Walker got paid, didn't he?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So it's like you got to spread it around.

[Jason Moore]

It was really, I mean, when I tried to stream Green Beckham one time last year, they completed. Tennessee completed two passes to wide receivers in I think the second half.

[Matt Harmon]

Was that a Mettenberger week?

[Jason Moore]

No, it was a Mariota week.

[Matt Harmon]

Oh, wow.

[Mike Wright]

It was a primetime game.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it was. And it was like I. And I'd kind of throw myself. I'm like, I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna stream him. I threw it out on the podcast and I thought he looked good, but he got, you know, there were two passes. I mean, it's the volume thing for the immediate benefit of Doria Green Beckham that concerns me more than anything else. So that. That's it for our mailbag. That's it for this show. Thank you very much for joining us.

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Mike Wright]

Give out the handle.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Where people find you.

[Matt Harmon]

This was an honor to do this. You can find me on Twitter at Matt Harmon underscore byb where I will soon be talking about football again. I promise.

[Jason Moore]

Right now it's the. The stars look bright tonight out here in the wilderness.

[Matt Harmon]

Like. Yeah, definitely camping. Pictures. Pictures of. Well, they're always dog.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, speaking of camping, the show is not over.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's gonna stick around. Matt Harmon's gonna stick around for the show. After the show on YouTube, we're gonna talk. Talk a little camping or stories from the wilderness. Let's call it that.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So that is it for today. Make sure you check out the ultimate draft kit. Ultimate draftkit.com jointhefoot.com and you know, we'll be back next week. Yeah, well, we got a mock draft.

[Matt Harmon]

Yeah, we'll not be here.

[Mike Wright]

Harmon's moving in. Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you for list another edition of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Don't forget to visit us on the web at www.thefantasyfootballers.com and follow us on Twitter the Ffballers.