Fantasy Football Podcast 2016 - Mock Gone Wrong, Fantasy Updates & News

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary Episode: Fantasy Football Podcast 2016 - Mock Gone Wrong, Fantasy Updates & News Release Date: July 30, 2016

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Introduction

In this episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright delve into a variety of fantasy football topics, including mock drafts, player updates, and strategic insights to help listeners dominate their leagues.

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Fantasy News and Updates

Carlos Williams and Mike Gillislee Situation

At [06:24], Andy discusses recent reports questioning Carlos Williams' roster status. He suggests that Mike Gillislee might emerge as a sleeper option if Williams doesn't secure his spot. Jason concurs, indicating that despite rumors, Williams is likely to remain on the team, but he wouldn't draft him in week one.

Andy Holloway [06:24]: "If LaShawn McCoy pulls a hammy and he's out for four or five weeks, who's the rush on the waiver wire going to be that? I think we're answering that over the next month."

Brandon Marshall’s Athletic Prowess

At [07:28], the hosts talk about a viral video featuring Brandon Marshall showcasing his fitness by running 24 miles per hour on a treadmill and losing 10 pounds. Andy shares how Marshall confidently challenged Antonio Brown to a race, highlighting his commitment to improving his game.

Andy Holloway [08:02]: "He basically then said, or how about this... If you have more receiving yards than me, you can have my Porsche."

Jason raises concerns about Marshall's age but acknowledges his consistent performance, making him a valuable fantasy asset despite being 32 years old.

Jason Moore [09:05]: "Brandon Marshall's fantastic, consistent, a great fantasy producer, but he's 32 years old."

Ryan Fitzpatrick Joins the Jets

At [07:49], the signing of Ryan Fitzpatrick by the Jets is discussed. Jason praises his reliability compared to other quarterbacks who were speculated to sign, like Gino. Andy and Jason express confidence in their ability to find quality quarterbacks later in the draft.

Jason Moore [08:19]: "I think Mike Gillisle [sic] was talking about giving Reggie Bush a contract, trying to bring him back. Clearly they're not saying, well, Carlos is going to come back."

Eric Ebron as a Breakout Tight End

At [10:09], Eric Ebron is highlighted as a potential breakout tight end. The hosts emphasize his opportunity in the Lions' offense following Calvin Johnson's departure and his first-round draft status, making him a prime candidate for high fantasy production.

Jason Moore [10:12]: "Tight ends always take several years before they are fantasy relevant. I think this is his third year in the NFL. Everything's laid out before him. It could happen."

Thomas Rawls’ Active Status

At [11:39], Andy brings up Thomas Rawls not being placed on the PUP list, indicating that he will participate in training camp and likely step into a starting role. This is seen as positive news for fantasy managers who have Rawls on their teams.

Andy Holloway [12:03]: "Thomas Rawls was not supposed to participate in training camp at all. Now, he's going to be in training camp and that leads to my love of Thomas Rawls."

Devonta Freeman’s Reliability

At [16:04], Devonta Freeman is praised for his consistent performance and minimal risk, making him a reliable pick in standard leagues.

Andy Holloway [16:14]: "I'm not worried that he won't be a fantasy contributor to your team."

Tevin Coleman’s Increased Role

At [15:43], the potential for Tevin Coleman to take a more significant role in the Falcons' offense is discussed. This would benefit fantasy managers looking for versatile running backs involved in both rushing and receiving.

Jason Moore [15:45]: "We need to get more out of Tevin Coleman. That's what you've been hearing."

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Listener Contests and Giveaways

At [02:22], Jason announces the concluding phase of their jersey contest, encouraging listeners to vote for their favorite player among Antonio Brown, A.J. Green, Odell Beckham Jr., and Amir Abdullah. Additionally, listeners are reminded of upcoming giveaways, including a signed Demaryius Thomas jersey and a listener league spot.

Jason Moore [05:08]: "This is the last time you're going to be able to get in on that giveaway... Giving away a listener league spot."

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Mock Draft: "Mock Gone Wrong"

Setting Up the Mock Draft

At [17:57], the hosts begin a 10-team, two-quarterback standard mock draft, starting from the fifth overall pick. They aim to demonstrate how strategies can go awry, particularly in leagues requiring two starting quarterbacks.

Andy Holloway [18:08]: "We are drafting from the number five position. This is a standard league draft."

Round-by-Round Breakdown

1. First Round Picks [18:30 - 21:45]:

   • 1st Pick: Cam Newton
   • 2nd Pick: Antonio Brown
   • 3rd Pick: Odell Beckham Jr.
   • 4th Pick: Aaron Rodgers

   The hosts discuss the consensus in standard leagues where elite wide receivers and quarterbacks are typically drafted early.

   Andy Holloway [19:09]: "It looks like a draft you'd actually be in."

2. Second Round Strategy [19:20 - 26:08]:

   • 5th Pick: Julio Jones (Andy) vs. Todd Gurley (Jason)
   • 6th Pick: Le'Veon Bell
   • 7th Pick: LaShawn McCoy (Andy) vs. Doug Martin (Jason)

   They debate between securing top-tier running backs versus wide receivers, ultimately opting for Le'Veon Bell and LaShawn McCoy to build a strong running back core.

   Jason Moore [20:39]: "What you do here is you put yourself in a position where you want foundational points at the quarterback position."

3. Quarterback Quandary [27:10 - 39:54]:

   • As the draft progresses, the scarcity of quarterbacks becomes apparent. The hosts deliberate whether to secure additional quarterbacks or continue building at other positions.
   • Key Picks:
     • Eric Decker (7th Round)
     • Melvin Gordon (9th Round)

   They argue over the necessity of drafting multiple quarterbacks in a two-QB league, ultimately deciding to wait and rely on the waiver wire.

   Jason Moore [38:15]: "I like guys like... are going to play 16 games like they're the starter."

4. Final Rounds and Weaknesses [43:48 - 52:16]:

   • Bench Spots: Strategies include selecting tight ends like Eric Decker or depth at running back.
   • Strengths: Strong running back and wide receiver corps with Le'Veon Bell, LaShawn McCoy, Julio Jones, Ty Hilton, Thomas Rawls, and Eric Decker.
   • Weaknesses: Questionable quarterback foundation and potential lack of depth.

   Jason Moore [52:09]: "So I would give this draft a strong B plus, A minus."

Notable Quotes During the Mock Draft

• Jason Moore [21:17]: "A lot of people draft it here, but I'm happy with Julio Jones at number five."
• Andy Holloway [25:23]: "Maybe that puts us at five running backs and three wide receivers that we feel strongly about."

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Final Thoughts on Mock Draft Strategy

The "Mock Gone Wrong" segment underscores the challenges of drafting in a two-quarterback league within standard formats. The hosts highlight the importance of balancing positional needs, avoiding panic buys, and leveraging the waiver wire for quarterback depth.

Andy Holloway [38:07]: "With a two quarterback league, we waited on quarterbacks. We end up with Andy Dalton and Jameis Winston."

Jason emphasizes the flexibility of streaming quarterbacks, while Andy remains cautious about relying solely on the waiver wire in a competitive 10-team league.

Jason Moore [39:06]: "I'm going to have a foundation of two good quarterbacks. If you want to add a third, you're fine."

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Conclusion

In this episode, the Fantasy Footballers provide valuable insights into managing a fantasy team, especially in formats requiring multiple quarterbacks. Through their mock draft exercise, they demonstrate the complexities and strategic decisions that can make or break a fantasy season. Listeners are encouraged to stay informed, adapt to draft dynamics, and utilize available resources like the Ultimate Draft Kit to enhance their draft strategies.

Andy Holloway [53:43]: "So ultimate draft kit dot com. Check that out. Get yourself prepared for your draft."

The hosts wrap up by teasing upcoming content, including divisional breakdowns and key offseason updates, ensuring listeners stay ahead of the fantasy football curve.

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Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway [08:02]: "If you have more receiving yards than me, you can have my Porsche."
• Jason Moore [09:05]: "Brandon Marshall's fantastic, consistent, a great fantasy producer, but he's 32 years old."
• Andy Holloway [38:07]: "With a two quarterback league, we waited on quarterbacks. We end up with Andy Dalton and Jameis Winston."
• Jason Moore [39:06]: "I'm going to have a foundation of two good quarterbacks. If you want to add a third, you're fine."

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the key discussions, strategies, and insights shared by the Fantasy Footballers, offering both seasoned players and newcomers valuable takeaways for the upcoming fantasy football season.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from the fantasyjocks.com studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the show. Welcome to Saturday. Welcome to the last show before. Five days a week, my friend. Jason, what's going on?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I'll tell you what's going on.

[Andy Holloway]

Mock.

[Jason Moore]

Mock is what's going on. It's always a great day to do a mock draft.

[Andy Holloway]

Mock drafting.

[Jason Moore]

Mock drafting is one of the most fun things to do. It's one of the most, you know, you learn so much.

[Andy Holloway]

What's the pitch? Are you just selling?

[Jason Moore]

No, I'm, I'm sold. I'm already sold on mock drafts.

[Andy Holloway]

I want to see the infomercial with you talking about mock drafts.

[Jason Moore]

It'd be great because at the beginning of the infomercial would be me trying to do something on paper, but the paper would like fly up in a pile like, are you sick of writing out player names? And then, you know, I'd get paper cuts everywhere in the hospital.

[Andy Holloway]

We could get all of our, like, extended family members to be those really overacted testimonials. When I switched to mock drafting. Well, yeah, we've got a mock draft today. We're going to do a 10 team standard mock draft. It's a two man band in the studio one last time. Mike is back on Monday. He's been gone just the right amount of time.

[Jason Moore]

I miss him now.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the beard.

[Jason Moore]

I was so happy at first.

[Andy Holloway]

I think everybody on this earth missed him after they heard me do the primal Scream yesterday.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, thank you for bringing that up, Andy. Listen. Oh, this is a great day. This is a great day for everyone. If you haven't already subscribed to our YouTube channel or.

[Andy Holloway]

This doesn't need to be brought up.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, it surely does. Or seen the show after the show. Basically every weekday show when we finish, we recorded like, you know, a spitballing take on something. I think we talked about breakfast foods. It's really fun, entertaining. But we start every episode with a primal scream by Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

By Mike?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, by Mike. Because it's amazing. And he was gone. So I had to do it one day and I got Andy to do it on Thursday's show. Guys, look, if you want your day.

[Andy Holloway]

To be the best thing you've ever seen, ever.

[Jason Moore]

And it's terrible, it's horrific, and it's so wonderful. And he put himself out there. He can't. Primal scream. It was great.

[Andy Holloway]

It just reminded me of being a child and having a bad dream. And when I sat up to scream for my parents, nothing came out. That's exactly what it reminded me of. So we've got a good show. I got a quick question for you, Jason. Which quarterback? This is from FF Padawan on Twitter. Which quarterback will lead the league in passing yards in 2016?

[Jason Moore]

That one to me is pretty easy. I might not be right, but it's an easy guess. And that's going to be Drew Brees. Drew Brees is a guy that consistently is slinging 5,000 yards around the field. I believe that this year he has weapons that he didn't have last year. We saw the first half lullaby, including.

[Andy Holloway]

His injury, Thomas last year, Spiller maybe.

[Jason Moore]

Yep, Spiller could get involved. So I think that he's going to be the pacemaker, the rabbit car, if you will, that everybody's going to be chasing. You know, you've got other candidates that throw for a lot of yards like Ben Roethlisberger.

[Andy Holloway]

Andrew Luck could be a candidate. Philip Rivers could be a candidate.

[Jason Moore]

Sure, sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Aaron Rodgers.

[Jason Moore]

No, Aaron Rodgers is super hyper efficient. He throws. He's definitely going to be up near the lead.

[Andy Holloway]

Matt Ryan.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think Matt Ryan could be there for sure.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, I'll go with Philip Rivers. I think that they're going to have a big bounce back year. He's got his weapons back. Gates from the, from the get go, a couple of valuable weapons. Gordon and Woodhead out of the backfield. That just helps Rivers accumulate that yardage. You know, they run through the air as Jason Moore would say. Keenan Allen back. So I'm going to go and Travis Benjamin now. So some deep balls maybe.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, no, I'll go with Philip Rivers.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll go with Philip Rivers. So I should highlight this. This is the last day pretty much, if you're listening to this, that you can vote for our jersey contest where we've had a multi bracketed jersey competition on Twitter at the FF Ballers, where people are Voting for the next autograph jersey to show up in the studio on the wall. So we're going to get whoever you vote for. The finals. We're on to the finals. There's four names left.

[Jason Moore]

It's a good group.

[Andy Holloway]

Antonio Brown, A.J. green, Odell Beckham Jr. And Amir Abdullah.

[Jason Moore]

One of these things is not like the other.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So you can go vote for that on on our twitter@the ff ballers. You can check out jointhefoot.com or fantasy football Community with extra episodes every week. We got a giveaway coming up on the 5th of August. We're giving away a signed Demarys Thomas jersey from pristineauction.com we're giving away some. A trophy, I believe, some other gear from fantasyjocks.com our studio sponsor. And so we also have a listener league spot that we're giving away.

[Jason Moore]

This is the last time next week. We might mention it on next week's podcast, but this is essentially the last time you're going to be able to get in on that giveaway. Giving away a listener league spot. And you could still email listenerleague fantasy footballers.com if you've made something special for us to see why you should be in the listener league.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And there won't be another giveaway with the listener league spot. I know that for sure. Yeah. So check out jointhefoot.com and we're going to get into the news.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league. All right.

[Andy Holloway]

We're going to. I want to bust through this as fast as we can efficiently get the good information out there, but one word answers.

[Jason Moore]

Got it.

[Andy Holloway]

I just want to make sure we get to our mock draft with plenty of time here. There was a report a few days ago about Carlos Williams not being a lock to make the team. I think it was hyperbolic, but it was also interesting because Mike Gillislee needs to climb into the sleeper consideration now with the way, you know, both of the backups to Lashell McCoy are either on the shelf or in the doghouse.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

And Mike Gillisley performed well when he played.

[Jason Moore]

And there's all the rumors of, you know, giving Reggie Bush a contract, trying to bring him back. Clearly they're not saying, well, Carlos is going to come back. He's going to be like the guy. They're not happy. So I fully expect him to be on the team. But I'm not drafting. Nobody's drafting Carlos Williams in week one.

[Andy Holloway]

If LaShawn McCoy pulls a hammy and he's out for four or five weeks, who's the rush on the waiver wire going to be that? I think we're answering that over the next month.

[Jason Moore]

I think right now, if they don't sign anybody else, it would be Mike Gillisle.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. So that's why his name needs to be out there. Did you happen to see this Brandon Marshall video?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I did. I loved it.

[Andy Holloway]

The Brandon Marshall groundswell in my heart is growing now. Look, I didn't have to change him in my rankings because I already had him there. He's like my number five. But Brandon Marshall is in great shape. Ten pounds less than he was last summer. Oh, guess what, by the way, we didn't get to talk about this.

[Jason Moore]

I tried to bury it in the news. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

This is terrible and wonderful. So Ryan Fitzpatrick is signed with the Jets.

[Jason Moore]

Ryan Fitzpatrick signed with the Jets. 12 year, one year deal.

[Andy Holloway]

And do you know anybody in the fantasy community that had guaranteed he would sign?

[Jason Moore]

There was one buffoon that was guaranteeing it from forever ago said, guarantee it 100% chance. There's no doubt in my mind. And then like as time went on, he's like, okay, it's 85, 15, I think.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, I hedged a little bit to your credit.

[Jason Moore]

You never really wavered. Even when it did seem like Gino was going to be the guy and I was 50. 50, you said, no, it's still going to happen. Just wait. So it happened.

[Andy Holloway]

So Brandon Marshall video of him running 24 miles an hour on the treadmill video talk of him losing 10 pounds. Ryan Fitzpatrick gets signed and then this video comes out yesterday, which I just love Brandon Marshall in general. I think he's a hilarious personality.

[Jason Moore]

Love everything about him.

[Andy Holloway]

And he comes out and he basically says he would race Antonio Brown for papers on their cars, but he's got a Porsche. Antonio Brown has a Rolls Royce. But he basically then said, or how about this, you know. Yeah, ab if you get. If you have more receiving yards than me, you can have my Porsche.

[Jason Moore]

That is bold. That's bold to a guy who, you know is a wide receiver. Looking at, can I be the first wide receiver ever to crack that 2,000 yard mark?

[Andy Holloway]

It just, you know, it's the furthest thing from like statistical analytics that you can apply to fantasy football. But it's exciting when you have players that are willing to go out on a limb like that and seem to be working hard. Todd Bowles wants him to be able to run downfield.

[Jason Moore]

There is actually genuine analysis to be found there, though, because the knock on Brandon Marshall is his age. You know, that's the only knock you could possibly find on Brandon Marshall. 1532. I mean, last year he was fourth wide receiver. And that's not like, oh, my gosh, where did he come from? Who's this Brandon Marshall? Brandon Marshall's fantastic, consistent, a great fantasy producer, but he's 32 years old. So you go, you know, I'm just worried maybe he takes a step down. Maybe he can't repeat what he did last year. If he's worried, if he's like, man, I feel a step slower or anything. You're not betting your Porsche to getting more yards than Antonio Brown. You know what I mean?

[Andy Holloway]

Sure, sure. There's no purpose in that.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Eric Ebron, he's one of the guys that we have as a breakout this year in our ultimate draft kit. They expect, the Lions official website said that they expect him to see, quote, a huge uptick in the number of balls thrown his way this year. This is not news to us because Calvin Johnson is gone and Eric ebron was a first round pick.

[Jason Moore]

He was a top 10 pick. Eric Ebron is a beast. And I think whenever I look at ADPs, and I've said this in the studio before, you've heard me say it, I feel like they're broken with Eric Ebron. Yeah. Eric Ebron is, you know, like the 12th. Sometimes the. Depending on what, you know, data source you're using, he's like the 12th tight end taken. And I'm sitting here thinking of all the later tight ends, the, like, deeper tight ends, you know, you're waiting in your draft for. There's not many of those guys that have the chance to be a top five tight end at the end of the year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, and it's not saying he will. It's just, look, everything is laid out before him.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

He has every opportunity. This is a make or break year as well for him.

[Jason Moore]

Tight ends always take several years before they are fantasy relevant. I mean, there's not a lot other than Gronk. There's no good examples that we could give you of. Like, this guy came out of college and he was just a great fantasy tight end, you know, from, from year one to year seven. It just doesn't happen. And now this is his, what, his third year? Right. This is his third year in the NFL. Everything's laid out before him. It could happen.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we'll learn a lot about Ibram, but he's got the potential there. And I'm really high on Stafford this year. So let's talk About Thomas Rawls. He won't practice on the first day of training camp, but they have not put him on the active PUP list. That is encouraging to me.

[Jason Moore]

Well, yeah, it's funny because this is seen as like bad news that he's not going to be there day one. But the reality is coming into great news. It's great news. He wasn't.

[Andy Holloway]

Jamal Charles is on the pup, right? And he's being drafted through the roof.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Thomas Rawls wasn't supposed to participate in training camp at all. Now, a couple weeks ago, Thomas Rawls did say, I'm going to be 100% for training camp, which was great news. But the thing is, is they didn't even put him on the PUP list. So he will be in training camp and that leads to my love of Thomas rawls.

[Andy Holloway]

Chris Thompson's 100% according to Chris Thompson.

[Jason Moore]

Well, yeah, no, I mean, I think.

[Andy Holloway]

That'S ignored Chris Thompson. Everybody wants to talk about Keith Marshall behind Matt Jones. Nobody wants to talk about Chris Thompson, what he did last year out of the backfield. He's a good player.

[Jason Moore]

He is a good player. He's a talented pass catcher. We're drafting guys like Danny Woodhead and Charles Sims like crazy. And we're not drafting Chris Thompson who fits that kind of a mold where it's, look, two minute drills, you know, third downs, those produce fantasy points in this modern NFL. Chris Thompson. And why do we love Matt Jones, Andy? Why does the fantasy community love Matt Jones?

[Andy Holloway]

Two things. Opportunity in the offense.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's it. Well, the opportunity and offense speak just the same to Chris Thompson. There's, there's not a slew of backs there. And while I do expect that they'll go and add a veteran back like a Pierre Thomas.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

Bring someone like that back. I'm not worried about that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And you know Matt Jones had fumbling issues last year. He's his consistency. We've yet to see it. So opportunity there for the other backfield mates. We talked about Ryan Fitzpatrick signing, so I don't need to talk about that again, even though I want to. Bruce Arians came out and said he determined he wants to determine backfield touches game to game. This probably puts a lot of fear into David Johnson. Truthers out there who, who say, oh no, is this, you know, there's been some reports of Chris Johnson. I don't, I'm not concerned by this at all. I think this is Bruce Arians being a good coach. You don't come out and tell a second year running Back like David Johnson, you're guaranteed to be the lead dog all year long.

[Jason Moore]

Right?

[Andy Holloway]

But David Johnson is such a better player than Chris Johnson that on the field, if he performs, it's going to be his show. We're not betting on David Johnson to end up in a top five situation by underwhelming every week. If he plays well, he's staying on the field. He offers him so much more. So don't be concerned. That's what I, that's my message.

[Jason Moore]

Well, it is true.

[Andy Holloway]

And that's coming from the the expert that was singled out as the David Johnson truther Last year on fantasypros.com I.

[Jason Moore]

Love how somehow you were the one that was ranked highest on him. I know Mike and I were the were. The truth is, from preseason on this.

[Andy Holloway]

Show, I probably threw a lot of caution in there. But yesterday we found out that somehow I was the fantasy pros expert that had him ranked the highest in the draft. I had no idea that you're welcoming. And then someone sent me a screenshot. I'm like, and then of course, I was like, yeah, of course I am.

[Jason Moore]

I'm actually a little bit worried about it. Okay, how about that?

[Andy Holloway]

Fair. But you've been, you've been the one saying, hey, look, David Johnson doesn't give me this guaranteed cozy feeling.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And I'm also the one of the three of us that says in the first and maybe the second round, I try to avoid risk. That's just in those rounds and not through the draft, but just in those rounds, I try to avoid risk. This says, hey, there's a little bit of risk there.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, we're going to jump in the mock. One more bit of news. We have to talk about Tevin Coleman. The Falcons talk about getting Tevin Coleman involved in the return game and in the passing game. Those are the two reports that came out yesterday. When guys are getting moved or involved in the return game, it tells me that the coach is not saying, I mean, you do not put your starting first and second down running back into the kick returning position. That does not happen.

[Jason Moore]

That's true.

[Andy Holloway]

So to me, this is, this is saying, hey, look, we're going to involve Coleman in a place with his long speed that he can be a benefit to the team.

[Jason Moore]

We need to get more out of Tevin Coleman. That's what, that's what you've been hearing. And the way that it's been coming about is, hey, we need to get more out of him. There's going to be more of a Running back by committee. But the reality is, what they're just saying is we need more out of this guy. We drafted him high last year, but it doesn't sound like it's going to be one of those 50, 50 timeshares. This is good news for Devonta Freeman.

[Andy Holloway]

There's an article on the website as well, on the fantasy footballers.com that came out by one of our staff writers, all about holding back your doubt for Devonta Freeman. And it's really a worthwhile read. So you want to check that out. I'm really fine with Devonta Freeman. I've been fine with him all off season. I'm not worried that he won't be a fantasy contributor to your team. You talk about risk. I don't think there's risk to Devonta Freeman at the right draft spot at all. I think Devonta Freeman has a baseline that is actually very, very high. Yeah, that's my opinion of Devonta Freeman.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, the Ryan Weiss article is very good. Check it out and see if your opinion changes at all.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, we're going to get into a mock draft. Jason, you have a Foot Clan Assemble message.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yes, I do. Hey, everybody listening? We do this once a year. It's really, really important for the show. So Foot Clan Assemble, if you're listening, please, we need you to go fill out a survey. It helps us know our audience better, match you, you know, better sponsors for the show. It's completely anonymous. Takes like five minutes. I've done it myself. Super easy. But we want to crush it. We want to crush and have everybody listening do it. So here's what you need to do for us. If you love us, you like the show and you want to get your voice heard, go to podsurvey.com footballers podsurvey.com footballers. That's it.

[Andy Holloway]

Sounds very easy.

[Jason Moore]

Well, it's podsurvey.com footballers and it's/ Footballers. Please do it. You can enter to win $100Amazon gift card. You don't have to, but you can. It's anonymous. Five seconds. Message over. The Fantasy Footballers mock draft.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, I don't want to jump to any conclusions, but I. This shows really good when Mike's not here. Just kidding. Mike, we miss you.

[Jason Moore]

We love the. We love the hit.

[Andy Holloway]

We love the Hitman. All right, we're jumping into it. 10 team mock draft. We are drafting from the number five position. This is a standard league draft. We're getting started. Kicking it off right now. First guy, standard. First four names off the board. Believe it or not in this mock draft. Cam Newton, Antonio Brown, Odell Beckham Jr. And Aaron Rodgers.

[Jason Moore]

You know what this looks like?

[Andy Holloway]

It looks like a draft you'd actually be in.

[Jason Moore]

That's what I was going to say. It looks, it looks like your friends and family draft.

[Andy Holloway]

Because all these other podcasts we do, these mock drafts, expert mock drafts, I don't think that's the best thing for the listeners to hear because the experts are not who you're drafting against. Yeah, you're drafting against public perception. You're drafting against ESPN and Yahoo. Average draft position and their default rankings. And in a standard league, I promise you, Cam Newton is going off the board in the top four picks in tons of leagues. So that's what we're dealing ourselves. We're dealing ourselves that hand. And look, we're drafting against the [e-mail].

[Jason Moore]

Also in a standard league, you have to keep in mind quarterbacks are more important in standard than they are in ppr because essentially the extra points from ppr, they don't go two quarterbacks and they don't go to anybody else. Now.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So with Aaron Rodgers, Odell Beckham, Antonio Brown and Cam Newton off the board, that means that every running back of our choice in a standard league is available to select. But it also means that one of the top three, you know, stud wide receivers, Julio Jones. Julio Jones is on the board. So standard league, you're at the spot where you've got the choice between any running back, Julio Jones. What do you do? Let me pull up our UDK top 200.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah, pull up the UDK. I'm going to tell you right now. I understand what you're saying now because when you look at the running back board and Lev Bell is not sitting at the top, you don't have this, you don't have a hierarchy that makes you say, I have to take this guy. Now, if it's me, I'm taking Todd Gurley here. That's my pick. I would take him in a standard league, 10 team league over Julio Jones. I think the, you know, what you're saying plays into the fact that if you do get that running back, that is the stalwart, that is the superstar, I think it impacts your team in the biggest way. And that. So, you know, I don't think that there's any possibility that Julio Jones is going to do you wrong in this situation. But I personally, my pick would be Todd Gurley.

[Jason Moore]

What do you think my pick would, without a shadow of a doubt, be Julio Jones, I think Todd Gurley and David Johnson and Adrian Peterson and you know, other running backs are fine and dandy, but they're not separated. Right. We talk about drafting by tiers and to me, I think Julio Jones is a, is a tier above. He is one of those true difference makers. You know, if he's on your team, he's going to make a difference every week. In a 10 team league, you need those elite, elite guys. So I'm handing you the pick then. I'm picking Julio Jones with this number one pick and I'm ecstatic that we got him at number five.

[Andy Holloway]

The fun thing about debating with the fifth pick and a 10 team standard between those two guys is I'm not disappointed.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you're not going to go wrong. And the thing is, is that if we had gone Todd Gurley, we'd still end up with a great team.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And one of the things, you know, doing these mock drafts live on here, the goal is to give you perspective of what happens in different situations. So we took Julio Jones, Ty Gurley went next. Then it was David Johnson, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, Adrian Peterson, DeAndre Hopkins, A.J. green, Ezekiel Elliott, Rob Gronkowski and Drew Brees.

[Jason Moore]

Wow. Quarterbacks.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you know, flying.

[Jason Moore]

So here's, here's a great thing for this. We get asked all the time, what round, you know, my, my league's different. My league. I think we had a question on last episode of like my League. Every team drafts two quarterbacks and they draft them early. What do you do? Well, one, you take the talent up front, but two, you always pay attention to who's left in your, in your quarterback tiers. So we're not looking to say, hey, we're going to wait till the 10th round to grab our quarterback. We're going to be looking at who's on the board right now. There's still a billion guys on the board. Quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So Des Bryant, Lamar Miller, Jamal Charles, some guys in consideration for us here. We're in the second round six pick. If I told you that Des Bryant would be sitting here, would you. Would that or a Brandon Marshall, would you have taken Gurley or are you just completely fine?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, no, I'm still fine with that pick. The running backs that are on the board here, Lamar Miller is my fourth running back and I think he's great.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm also Le'Veon Bell in the second round right now.

[Jason Moore]

I was going to say, I'm tempted to look at Le'Veon Bell. He's the true difference maker. At the position. So I would be fine.

[Andy Holloway]

Honestly, that would be my pick.

[Jason Moore]

I will give this pick to you because I have not yet mock drafted with Le'Veon Bell in my roster. And I think a lot of people go, well, what, what does that look like for the rest of the draft? How does your team finish? So let's draft Le'Veon Bell.

[Andy Holloway]

I think that's the best thing we can do here is because we had a couple questions come in yesterday on Twitter and on the email that were like, okay, if I take Levy on Bell, if I plan to take him in the second round, what do I do in the first round? Do I have to take a running back to compensate for him? Do I have to trade for D'Angelo Williams? Let's see, where do I have that in draft?

[Jason Moore]

D'Angelo Williams? What if D'Angelo Williams gets drafted? Oh, no. What do I do? All those. And now two weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

Two weeks ago, I would have really found it impossible to have Le'Veon Bell and Julio Jones on my team.

[Jason Moore]

Well, four weeks into the season, you won't.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So Ben. Ben Roethlisberger, Des Bryant, Lamar Miller, Carson Palmer, Alan Robinson, Jamal Charles, Devonta Freeman and Jordy Nelson off the board.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I got none of that. I mean, I. A lot of players got it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. It's early in the morning, so we're coming into the third round now. Julio Jones, Lev Bell, Devonta Freeman, the aforementioned in the news went a couple picks ahead of us. Jordy Nelson went right before our pick here. So we have Lev bell, Julio Jones, 10 team standard league. What are you looking at here? Doug Martin, Mark Ingram, Eddie Lacy, LaShawn McCoy on the board at running back, wide receivers. Mike Evans, Brandon Marshall. Ding, ding, ding.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So here you're looking, I think, at depth at those two positions. We're in the middle. So that means, you know, it's about 10 picks between every single one of our pick. And we, you know, I would look at. Because there are running backs I love here. I mean, getting Doug Martin in a standard league at this point is great to me. Getting Brandon Marshall, honestly, Mike Evans, Al Shaan or Brandon Marshall, I love all three of them is great. But the question is, where am I going to be next round? More hit. Are there three running backs left and seven wide receivers left I like. So how does that bear out here?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you're talking about kind of looking at your tiers for both positions. So to me, when I look at this board, I see three far and above elite names at the Wide receiver position. Marshall, Jeffrey and Evans. Marshall is by far the top for me out of that list. When I look at the running back position, I see really. I think I see three names. I think I see Doug Martin, Mark Ingram and Lashelle McCoy. You might put Eddie Lacey in that group. You might put Thomas Rawls in that group.

[Jason Moore]

I would.

[Andy Holloway]

So maybe that puts us at five running backs and three wide receivers that we feel strongly about.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Except I also would have added Ty Hilton and Sammy Watkins to the wide receiver core.

[Andy Holloway]

So now we're split there.

[Jason Moore]

So now we're split. So we just take the best guy available, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

Now, does Le'Veon Bell factor into this? Because we have essentially one wide receiver and it does.

[Andy Holloway]

It does. I think it makes us want to be stronger at the running back position early if the tiers are the same, so that we have a solidified running back core in the first four weeks of the season.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, so is that. Would that be Doug Martin or Mark.

[Andy Holloway]

Ingram or Lashawn McCoy?

[Jason Moore]

Or Lashawn McCoy. Let me pull up our UDK here.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, go ahead and pull that up. I lean for me, it's between Martin and McCoy. If I'm picking a running back, it would be McCoy. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And I think I love that pick. You got a guy that is on a.

[Andy Holloway]

The volume will be there.

[Jason Moore]

Yep. The volume will be there in the running game. The volume will be there for him in the passing game. Even though you don't get, you know, points per reception, you still get yards and touchdowns when he catches the ball. So that's. That's a pretty good start to the team.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, give us a lay of the land of where we are right now.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so we have Le'Veon Bell and Julio Jones along with LaShawn McCoy. So running back pretty good there. We're going to have to have someone to fill in for four weeks in the beginning. We are coming up to the fourth pick pick. Several more quarterbacks went off the board in between ours. Blake Bortles, Philip Rivers, Tom Brady, Eli Manning. So now we are. Carson Palmer is gone. There are a lot of quarterbacks off the board. We should look and see what the position is there.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. This has been a situation that you'll probably see in some of your drafts where panic sets in at a position and guys start going off the board early because you don't want to be left over or the perception is you don't want to be left with the bottom of the barrel at the quarterback position. Now we talk all the time about drafting a late round quarterback, putting yourself in a position to scoop up talent. And that's what's happened in this draft thus far. We'll be able to grab talent at other positions at the expensive quarterback because quarterbacks are going off the board and those guys are dropping further and further. You look at the board right now at the wide receiver position, you have incredible talent. Keenan Allen, Brandon Cooks, Amari Cooper, Ty Hilton, Sammy Watkins. Love those names. Makes me feel very good about drafting Lashelle McCoy where we did. You still have C.J. anderson, you still have Carl Thomas, Rawls, Latavius Murray. Feel much better about where the wide receiver position is right now at the. In terms of talent. That being said, we're in a standard league. Keenan Allen doesn't jump off the page in a standard league to me.

[Jason Moore]

Watkins jumps off the page to me. I mean, you know that I'm super high on him.

[Andy Holloway]

As far as where do you have Watkins ranked compared to Hilton on your rankings? Do you have that up?

[Jason Moore]

I could pull.

[Andy Holloway]

Go ahead and pull that up because I know you're rising. I'm rising on Sammy Watkins. If you look over the last eight weeks, he did everything he could in those last eight weeks to say, hey, I know that this offseason coming up, you're going to doubt me because of the offense I'm in, the passing volume. But do you really want Sammy watkins and Lashawn McCoy both on your team? Because see, I don't.

[Jason Moore]

That's a good point.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know.

[Jason Moore]

I don't. I don't want to grab the passing. And when there's other talented people here like Ty Hilton, who I love, I mean, I've got them separated by four spots.

[Andy Holloway]

I think very few people draft Ty Hilton over Keenan Allen. But I would do it here.

[Jason Moore]

I would do it. This is a standard league as well. I mean, in a ppr, I'm drafting Keenan Allen over Ty Hilton. But Ty Hilton is the type of guy that is going to get a lot of bomb type touchdowns in an Andrew Luck offense. You don't get that from Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen, you're getting the 9 to 11 yard, you know, quick slants and those aren't nearly as good in a standard league.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I would say I anticipate Hilton and Allen to end with similar touchdown totals, but I expect Hilton to, to put up the yardage to support a standard league pick here.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, there are so many good players here. I mean, Demarius Thomas and Amari Cooper are there as well. There's no shortage. And part of the reason of that is because of quarterbacks. And so what a lot of players do is they go, oh my goodness, I have to now draft a quarterback. You know, I'm stuck with Tony Romo and Andy Dalton and those guys. But when I look at the list of quarterbacks that I would still like, I go way down the list. And I think I'm super happy with Tyrod Taylor and Matthew Stafford and Matt Ryan. They're going to be fine. Because in a 10 team league you can always stream because the waiver pool is full of, you know, 20 quarterbacks that are starting or, you know, usually 15 quarterbacks that are starting will be on your waivers.

[Andy Holloway]

So I feel very, I feel pretty good with Hilton. I feel like what we saw last year with Cooper and Crabtree is you didn't see the red zone targets. I would have liked to see for Cooper. He has the ability to ascend. But Hilton seems to be a great compliment to Julio Jones here.

[Jason Moore]

I love it.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. By the way, 6% of experts agreed with that pick.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, this is the thing is, so we forgot to mention we're using fantasydraftwizard.com that's what the fantasy footballers use, have used for years.

[Andy Holloway]

Just so easy to make quick mock drafts.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, you hear us doing it right now, it's so fun and easy. So that's fantasydraftwizard.com but when you're done with your draft, if you did a good job, usually it says you got a bad team. That's because what you didn't do is you didn't grab just the most recommended guy. If you just click the top guy and close your eyes and just keep clicking your mouse on the same spot, you'll end up with a great team according to the system.

[Andy Holloway]

It is funny because every single year that goes by, we have so many messages on Twitter saying, I thought I did a good job, but look, I got like a D. Is my team that bad?

[Jason Moore]

No, no, the computer.

[Andy Holloway]

You did it right. But yeah, it's not based on recommended. We're looking at, you know, people email us and they say, hey, who should I pick between these two guys? We'll give you our opinion, we'll help you out. But we are not able to be in the draft with you. We are not able to see what the teams around you have. We don't get to see what it looks like down the, down the line when you give us the AB choice. And so that's what we're trying to give you the perspective of now is, look, hey, we drafted Ty Hilton based on the rest of our team, not just based on a head to head matchup. All right, we are now heading into the fifth round. Keenan Allen went off the board. Amari Cooper, Romo, C.J. anderson, Sammy Watkins, Brandon Cooks, Matt Ryan and Carlos Hyde. We are in the fifth round. Our team is a suspended. Likely suspended. Le'Veon Bell, LaShawn McCoy, Julio Jones and Ty Hilton.

[Jason Moore]

Man, those are four great picks. Few ever enter your fifth round having got Le'Veon Bell, Lashawn McCoy, Julio Jones and Ty Hilton. You're going to be happy and you're going to have the freedom to play with these picks. I will note. I will note though. See, here's what starts happening when you don't freak out about the quarterback. Since our last pick coming all the way back around, only two more quarterbacks left. Because teams fill up their quarterbacks and now they're not going to be drafting their second when they're this early in the draft. So it's good to hold on.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, so we're sitting here in the fifth round and this is when I really think drafting Le'Veon Bell does make an impact to your team. Because I'm sitting here looking at the town, at running back, at wide receiver. You still have, you know, these are the quarterbacks on the board. Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins, Andy Dalton, Tyrod Taylor, Jameis Winston, Matthew Stafford, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Alex Smith. Alex Smith. I'm okay with those guys.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, me too.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm totally fine with them.

[Jason Moore]

So I'm going to wait because we'll play matchups.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm going to wait in the season.

[Jason Moore]

And that's another thing. When you're done with your draft, keep listening through the year and stream the right people. That makes more of a difference for winning championships. There's a guy that jumps off Thomas Rawls. To me, Thomas Rawls is the guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Thomas Rawls at the running back position, you got Latavius Murray, Jeremy Hill, Jonathan Stewart, Matt Forte still on the board. So why Thomas Rawls?

[Jason Moore]

Thomas Rawls in a standard league should be a top five running back. I mean, we're talking a first round option.

[Andy Holloway]

I think that's a very bold statement.

[Jason Moore]

You can say it's a bold statement. Let me tell you why it's not. You have the Seattle Seahawks, who have been a great running team. Their defense is the team. Right. Would you agree that they are a defensive minded team and that that is.

[Andy Holloway]

Like historically they have been a defensive minded team? I Think they have both pieces now?

[Jason Moore]

Sure, I think they can open up the offense, but they want to win games the Pete Carroll way and that's going to be with their defense. And last year you saw Thomas Rawls, in a large stretch of games be the number one running back. You know, he can do it and he's, he's going to come in and he's going to be the starting running back for a run heavy, defense minded team. And this is a standard league. The only knock that is on Thomas Rawls, assuming he's starting, is that he doesn't catch the ball or we're afraid he might not. Maybe he'll be used, you know, less than Marshawn lynch was in the, in the passing game. This is a standard league. I mean, to get Thomas Rawls in the fifth, I think is a steal.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, I'm on board. I definitely am on board with the fact that we have Le'Veon Bell and now you've got LaShawn McCoy and Thomas Rawls can quite easily carry the load for you in those first, first part of the season. Now, we drafted Rawls. Do you have any fear that, that depending on Rawls in place of Le'Veon Bell is the wrong choice because of Rawls coming off the injury, maybe being eased into a workload?

[Jason Moore]

No, I don't think he will be eased into the workload. In the news today was the fact that they didn't put him on the pup and so they're going to see him in training camp. He will be in preseason. And so I don't think they're going to ease him in come week one.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. After Rawls went to Marius Thomas, we saw a couple more quarterbacks off the board with Cousins and Tannehill. And so they are getting quite thin at the quarterback position.

[Jason Moore]

All right, who all's left? Let's take a look. And this is where. At quarterback, what I start doing what?

[Andy Holloway]

Look at your roster.

[Jason Moore]

The roster of Levy on Bell.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, look at, look at the two positions ahead of it.

[Jason Moore]

Julio Jones.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no, above it. Running backs. Above the running backs. What are the empty spots up there?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my goodness. Andrew Holloway. It says quarterback and it says quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Maybe that's why all the quarterbacks are going off the board.

[Jason Moore]

Did you put two quarterbacks?

[Andy Holloway]

Apparently I did.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, well, hey, let's say we did this. Let's let. I mean, I have no problem doing that if I can start with Thomas Rawls, Ty Hilton, Julio Jones, LaShawn McCoy and Levy on Bell. And Say, hey, I'm really going to kick the quarterback down the road a little bit.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, did we say we didn't need Mike?

[Jason Moore]

Look at. Well, this is what Mike would have been advocating for. He would have been saying, don't you dare take that guy when you got Thomas Rawls on the board.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you know, I just felt like quite a few quarterbacks were going off the board just even faster than I thought possible.

[Jason Moore]

So let's look at the quarterbacks with that in mind now.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, so at this point we, we're, we're up against it in the six at the quarterback position. You still got Derek Carr, Andy Dalton, Tyrod Taylor, Jameis Winston, Matthew Stafford. If I wanted to have a kind of foundational choice for my first quarterback off the board, it would be Dalton or Stafford. Personally, I think the risk is the lowest between those two guys. And then you have some upside with Carr and Winston. Tyrod Taylor's a guy you really like and Ryan Fitzpatrick is also somebody that's going to have his game.

[Jason Moore]

So let, let me say what I would, what I would do in this draft because when you're in a two quarterback league that you're going to have a lot of quarterbacks off the board. I like guys like you're saying that, you know, are going to play 16 games like they're the starter, right. So I know Fitzpatrick, for instance, just signed, but if he comes out and stinks, I could see, you know, look, if the, if the team's not doing good, you know, they drafted Christian Hackenberg and he's a little bit more risky. Tyrod Taylor gets injured, but a guy like Alex Smith, he is a perfect quarterback. Two for a two quarterback league. So if we were to grab an Andy Dalton, who is my like number seven quarterback overall, and then look for an Alex Smith in a little bit or someone that is, I mean, I would be thrilled with that. It wasn't our intent from the beginning, but goodness gracious, if we could end up with Andy Dalton and Alex Smith and then stream off the waiver.

[Andy Holloway]

Still, every time we talk to Mike about two quarterback leagues, we try to push him to draft a quarterback first early, an early quarterback and a late quarterback. And Mike is the one that consistently pushes back and pushes back and pushes.

[Jason Moore]

Back, you'll be fine if you, if you wait until the sixth, seventh day.

[Andy Holloway]

So I'm going to choose to believe that Mike's the one that snuck onto my computer and added an extra quarterback spot for this draft, for this mock gone sideways, I would say. And so now we do. We get the example to see what that looks like by waiting a little bit longer. We took Andy Dalton there in the sixth round. Lev Bell, LaShawn McCoy, Julio Jones, Ty Hilton, Thomas Rawls, the rest of the roster, very strong. But you need to have the performance of the quarterback position in a league like this. And I think, Let me ask you this, Jason. When you're in this situation and you're drafting quarterbacks late in a two quarterback league, don't you think that having three or four names is very important?

[Jason Moore]

Not, not necessarily in a 10 team. In a 10 team league, you'll still be able to stream. I think three is okay. I mean if you wanted to have.

[Andy Holloway]

You're not going to be able to stream in a 10 team.

[Jason Moore]

Sure you will.

[Andy Holloway]

No, you will not.

[Jason Moore]

100% you will.

[Andy Holloway]

I disagree.

[Jason Moore]

Well, we could.

[Andy Holloway]

You have a 10 team league. You're going to have. Most rosters are going to have two to three. That's going to fill up all the starters. Yes, there will be one or two guys that drop into the waiver wire over the year, but that is not streaming.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, streaming might be the wrong word, but what I am saying is you're going to be able to use the waiver wire to supplement in good impactful ways for your team. That's, that's what I mean. I mean we saw it last year. No, you can, you can pick 50 quarterbacks and no one drafted Ryan Fitzpatrick last year. Nobody, nobody was, was drafting Kirk Cousins last year. Even in most two quarterback leagues, nobody's drafting Tyrone Taylor.

[Andy Holloway]

Just because those anomalies exist.

[Jason Moore]

They exist every single day, but they're two or three.

[Andy Holloway]

That's not the, that's not flexibility to play your quarterback position. You're going to have an entire league competing for those guys. Well, you do not have flexibility there. You have to have a foundation you can rotate in.

[Jason Moore]

I think you have to have a foundation of two good quarterbacks. If you want to add a third, you're fine.

[Andy Holloway]

You have to have three.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, well then let's, let's get three.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. We're sitting here in the seventh round. Jeremy Hill went off the board. Derek Carr, Dion Lewis went off the board late. You can kind of see the impact of a standard league on his draft position. Jeremy Macklin, Greg Olson, Ryan Matthews, Kelvin Benjamin, Jameis Winston is a quarterback that's still on the board. Tyrod Taylor, you also have Travis Kelsey. That is intriguing me at the tight end position this late in the draft in a standard league. I really like the idea, I think Kelsey's a guy that'll push eight to 10 touchdowns, seven to 10 touchdowns. It's in the middle of the seventh round.

[Jason Moore]

Well, read what whether tight ends are on the board.

[Andy Holloway]

Delaney Walker, Kobe Fleen or Tyler Eifert. Gary Barnage.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean for me I have Kobe Fleener ranked ahead of. I have him ranked ahead of Travis Kelsey even in a standard league. I believe. Let me verify that. So I taking. Obviously I wouldn't take Kelsey over Kobe. Let me just make sure. Yeah, in a standard league. Kobe fleener is my fourth tight end.

[Andy Holloway]

You also have Jonathan Stewart, DeMarco Murray still at the running back position. Do you feel a pressure to draft a second quarterback here?

[Jason Moore]

I personally don't because I've been now knowing it's two quarterback, I don't feel.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, okay, so I see Tyra Taylor, Jameson Winston, Jake Cutler, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Joe Flacco, Alex Smith, Brock Oswald.

[Jason Moore]

If you want three and you want to try to grab Tyrod Taylor or Jameis Winston along with Alex Smith in a couple rounds.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't, I, you know you're going to see three more guys go off the board between our two picks right now. So do you think we need to take quarterback or who would you take here? Would you go with Kelsey?

[Jason Moore]

What are our wide receivers?

[Andy Holloway]

Wide receiver wise, we have Julio and Hilton and we need another.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So I, for me, I really like a lot of the guys that are on the board.

[Andy Holloway]

Golden Tate, Julian Edelman, Jarvis Landry, Eric Decker.

[Jason Moore]

Eric Decker as a wide receiver 3. He is in a standard Michael Floyd where he scored. Oh, Floyd is great. I mean that's what I'm saying that I would rather have those type of players.

[Andy Holloway]

So you'd rather drop the wide receiver and wait another round?

[Jason Moore]

I would.

[Andy Holloway]

So would you rather have Michael Floyd, Golden Tate or Eric Decker?

[Jason Moore]

Michael Floyd, Golden Tate or Eric Decker? I'm thinking because we have such top end talent, I'm going to go for whoever is safest week to week and I don't think there's anybody more consistent than Eric Decker.

[Andy Holloway]

I am totally fine with that. You got Ryan Fitzpatrick back and Eric Decker deserves the same upside and praise that Brandon Marshall received earlier. Okay, so we, we drafted Eric Decker in the seventh. You had Golden Tate did go off the board. We did not see another quarterback go off the board. So I was wrong. Golden Tate went off. Kelsey did go Floyd Stewart, Frank Gore. But the quarterbacks have slowed down now. There hasn't been a quarterback pick since these ninth pick of the sixth round. Which is about 20 picks ago. We're sitting here in the eighth round now. Do you. You know, you got Kobe Fleener on the board. You've got Tyler Ifert on the board who probably won't play in the first couple weeks of the year. You still have Jeremy Langford, Gio Bernard, and then you have Tyra Taylor, Jameis Winston. So who's the pick here?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, there's a lot of guys. Let's take one more run through our roster and take a look. So our roster is at quarterback, Andy Dalton. Running back, we've got Le'Veon Bell, Lashawn McCoy, Thomas Rawls in a flex. At wide receiver, Julio Jones, Ty Hilton and Eric Decker. Those were stacked, I think, for me, because we're punting quarterback. If we take Kobe Fleener here and we just have a boss lineup absolutely everywhere.

[Andy Holloway]

You don't think Barnage over?

[Jason Moore]

You know, I trust the Saints offense to use the tight end far more than a repeat of Barnage. I do like Barnage, but I'm not going to take him over Kobe Fleener.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, so let's go ahead and take Kobe Fleener right here, stack that lineup, punt on the second quarterback for a little bit longer, and the risk was worth it. Jeremy Lankford went off, Barnage went off, Landry went off. Ninth round here. There still has not been another quarterback taken.

[Jason Moore]

So we get our. We get our pick of all the guys that we wanted.

[Andy Holloway]

Melvin Gordon is on the board still in the ninth round.

[Jason Moore]

In the ninth round in a state.

[Andy Holloway]

How do you not take Melvin Gordon here? You're going to need a flex play with Lev Bell out. How do you not take Melvin Gordon?

[Jason Moore]

I'm fine taking Melvin Gordon. Now the question is, is this where a couple of those quarterbacks. How many quarterbacks are you happy with? Seven, Because I.

[Andy Holloway]

Seven guys.

[Jason Moore]

Really?

[Andy Holloway]

Taylor, Winston, Cutler, Fitzpatrick, Flacco, Smith and Osweiler.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would say a couple of those guys I wouldn't be happy with.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you're right. Flacco, Osweiler, I would be happy with Taylor or Winston and I would be fine with Fitzpatrick and Smith.

[Jason Moore]

That is identical to how I am.

[Andy Holloway]

So I don't think four go off the board between the next two picks.

[Jason Moore]

Well, the happy is only two. That would be a tier, right. You want Tyrod Taylor.

[Andy Holloway]

You're right.

[Jason Moore]

And Jameis Winston.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you think both go off the board?

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

This is the risk. You do think both?

[Jason Moore]

I think we've. We've. We've escaped two rounds without a single quarterback being taken. I don't think we go three rounds without one being taken.

[Andy Holloway]

That makes me want to draft Melvin Gordon even more.

[Jason Moore]

Let's do it. Let's see.

[Andy Holloway]

I want to roll the dice. Melvin Gordon off the board, stacking the running back core. And no further quarterbacks went off the board.

[Jason Moore]

There you go. You know, it can get scary, but it's one of those things where once teams are. I mean, you can look at other rosters in the league and say, okay, everybody's got two, everybody's got three. People are still filling their flex spot and be a little bit more sure. That's what I would have done in a real draft. In a mock draft, you just click a button and find out what happens.

[Andy Holloway]

At this point, I would like to draft Jameis Winston or Tyrod Taylor. And to be honest, I'd rather draft Winston because I think 100%.

[Jason Moore]

I'd rather draft Winston because of a surety, you know.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah, his upside is huge, but I don't really feel like the odds of him. You know, his floor is probably where I think Taylor would. His floor is much lower.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And also he's the number one. He's the number one pick in the draft for a team. He's their franchise guy. Tyrod Taylor isn't that. If James Winston comes out and struggles for, you know, a quarter of the year, James Winston's playing the next three quarters of the year.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, so look, inventory here, what I'm now calling the mock gone wrong. The mock gone wrong. If this is the mock and the mock gone right.

[Jason Moore]

I was going to say our team is boss.

[Andy Holloway]

I. Well, look, two quarterback league. We waited on quarterbacks. We end up with Andy Dalton and Jameis Winston as our first two. I think there's a lot of people out there that kind of make a grimacing face to that, but I don't. I think, because what. What you do here is you put yourself in a position where you want foundational points at the quarterback position. You want a baseline to support what we have on the rest of the roster. The running backs on our team, Thomas rawls, Melvin Gordon, Le'Veon Bell and Sean McCoy. The wide receivers on our team are Julio Jones, Ty Hilton, and Eric Decker. I mean, I would not be surprised if we end up rolling Eric Decker out more often than Ty Hilton, depending on the way the league goes. The way Decker was so consistent last year.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I could see that. Just for the people rolling their eyes, Jameis Winston and Andy Dalton are my. I'm checking my updated rankings. They are the 11th and 12th quarterback, respectively. We have two quarterback ones according to our rankings.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

And I love it.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, we need to close this draft out here. We have three bench spots left, defense and a kicker. There's still a ton of talent on the board, which is exactly what you see in a two quarterback league. Standard league. You have some upside here that I'm seeing. You got Josh Gordon still on the board. You have.

[Jason Moore]

I don't want Josh Gordon and Levy on Bell holding up two spots.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. You have Tyler Lockett.

[Jason Moore]

I'd rather have Kevin White, who I.

[Andy Holloway]

Think could produce Arian Foster, TJ Yeldin and another quarterback. Yeah, I think I'd grab like Ryan Fitzpatrick right here and just. I'd feel so much better about this team.

[Jason Moore]

I would love it.

[Andy Holloway]

And then you got him with Decker. You got the combination. Ryan Fitzpatrick, we took him. Now you're seeing more quarterbacks off the board. Smith, Cutler, Osweather, Griffin. The panic for the final quarterback set in and we set that trend. We didn't follow it right. Which is nice. You got Tevin Coleman, Kevin White. I'd love to draft Kevin White here.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I want stock in Kevin White this year. I really do. I think he is exceptionally talented. I like him more than any of the, you know, rookie wide receivers this year, which is essentially now his. Going to be his rookie year.

[Andy Holloway]

There are basically no viable quarterbacks remaining in this draft. Blake Gabbard, Blaine Gabbard, Mark Sanchez and Teddy Bridgewater. The only potential starters left, Colin Kaepernick.

[Jason Moore]

I still think Blaine Gabbard and Colin Kaepernick could.

[Andy Holloway]

So right now we need one more bench spot. What are the names that you see.

[Jason Moore]

That stand out to you guys standing out for mention. I know the guy want rookie wide receivers. Sterling Shepard is there and looks pretty good. You have. Who is it?

[Andy Holloway]

Antonio Gates.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, really? A second tight end?

[Andy Holloway]

I would consider it with Kobe Fleener. Look, you can say all you want about Kobe Fleener. He is still in a new offense. If I'm surprised in the wrong way with Kobe Fleener, I'd use my last bench spot on a guy that I now have ranked as the number he's in almost to my top five. Tight end with Antonio Gates.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's going to have a great year. I don't, I don't hate, hate that.

[Andy Holloway]

I just think you have other options here. I mean, you have Sterling shepherd and Kenneth Dixon and you know, a guy.

[Jason Moore]

That sticks out to me is just. We've got Ty Hilton. I wonder if you, if you grab a Philip Dorset set. And you know, for the upside, maybe a Hilton goes down, I would go Gates, I will give you the pick then.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Thanks, dude.

[Jason Moore]

You're welcome.

[Andy Holloway]

Appreciate it. We are going to post this mock draft, by the way. This will be on the website, the fantasy footballers.com on the episode page. Is Goskowski, Ms. Goskowski available? Yeah, we're at the kicker position here. Yeah. Let's go ahead and grab him. Jason, you want him?

[Jason Moore]

I want Gus.

[Andy Holloway]

You want him in every league, every year, for all time?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, absolutely. I'll take him before my defense.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure, sure. As will I. And then let's just go ahead and grab the Bengals defense to close out the draft. I want, I want to get your commentary on this roster, Jason, and what you think the weaknesses are and the strengths.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so quarterback, we.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, we got a C. At quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

We have Andy Dalton, Jameis Winston and Ryan Fitzpatrick. The. You could say that the weakness there would be the top end, like a top five quarterback type of guy.

[Andy Holloway]

If Andy Dalton doesn't do what he did to start last year.

[Jason Moore]

Right. Or Jameis Winston doesn't take a step forward, you know, and the thing is, is with those three, you can play matchups. And with a roster like this, we would be watching the waiver at running back. We've got Le'Veon Bell, LaShawn McCoy, Thomas Rawls, Melvin Gordon. I think that that is a great group of guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Standard league.

[Jason Moore]

It's so strong in a standard league. It's incredibly strong. I do say this. I think that we are, I think instead of Gates looking at the whole roster now, we would have been better to grab one more piece of depth at running back. Four running backs in a standard league is a little shallow to me, especially when one of them is Le'Veon Bell.

[Andy Holloway]

You're probably right.

[Jason Moore]

Wide receiver, Julio Jones, Ty Hilton, Eric Decker, Kevin White. I love, love our wide receivers. I love our running backs. Kobe Fleener is like my guy this year, so obviously I'm going to like him there. And Gates as well. You know what, what this shows me, if we could have got Gates that late instead of Kobe Fleener, had we taken a running back that was at that place on the board, probably would have been better to wait and grab Gates over Fleener, even though that's my guy.

[Andy Holloway]

No, that. That's right. I agree with you.

[Jason Moore]

So I would give, I would give this draft a strong B plus, A minus.

[Andy Holloway]

Interesting to see how it turned out in light of the oversight.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that was my part. That was Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

What was Mike.

[Jason Moore]

The oversight was on Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's Mike's fault. He wanted, he wanted us to wait and see what it was like and it's okay. Does this change your opinion on how you do two quarterback draft though?

[Jason Moore]

Well, no, I think I've always been of the opinion that if you wait, you'll be okay. For me, I prefer to grab, you know, like a Drew Brees or Russell Wilson and then wait a long time, longer than we waited. You know, I wouldn't have got Andy Dalton, we would have got Tyrod Taylor, you know, much, much later in the draft or something.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, that does it for the mock draft episode, the mock gone wrong, the two quarterback adventure, the standard league levy on Bell experiment. We did a lot of different things in that draft. Try to hopefully you got to see some perspective of our decision making process there. We will be back to. We'll be five days a week starting on Monday. Mike will be back in the studio. We'll be going through the remainder of our divisional breakdowns. We will be going through a lot of the major, major key points that you want to know about this offseason. We're talking breakouts, busts, values, ADP updates for you, all the news that's going to break this weekend. A lot of good stuff on the horizon. Definitely check out the Ultimate Draft Kit. We're updating that on a it's almost daily basis.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it is.

[Andy Holloway]

So ultimate draft kit dot com. Check that out. Get yourself prepared for your draft. August is here, football is here. Jason is stocking up on Oreos double stuff. So thanks a lot for listening.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, we'll catch you on Monday. If you need any trophies for all your Bookland titles, go to our studio sponsor, fantasyjocks.com. get your draft boards too.

[Andy Holloway]

See ya.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on JoinTheFoot.com and follow us on Twitter the FFballers. Wow, that sucks so bad. I saw in your eyes you wanting to not do it. The show was incredibly good.