
Fantasy Football Podcast for November 17, 2016. Welcome to week #11 and the fantasy football playoff push. Andy and Jason return once more to deliver their own brand of fantasy football goodness, an accurate, entertaining, high-quality fantasy football
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Andy Holloway
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Jason Moore
Happy Thursday, everybody. How you doing, Jason?
Andy Holloway
Pretty good, Pretty good. We got some starts of the week today.
Jason Moore
It's true. That's not all we have. Oh, we've got your boom boom kicker of the week.
Andy Holloway
Darn right we do.
Jason Moore
I.
Andy Holloway
It's everybody's favorite segment, including mine. I tell you, I just.
Jason Moore
Has it grown on you?
Andy Holloway
I just love kickers. Yeah. They are so important.
Jason Moore
I know who it won't be. It won't be Blair Walsh.
Andy Holloway
No. No. And. And maybe surprisingly, it's also not gonna be for bath.
Jason Moore
No.
Andy Holloway
No.
Jason Moore
Okay, that's. I'm not letting you know how we're gonna do the. The boom boom this week. It's a process of elimination.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Jason Moore
Are you just gonna say was not for 30 kickers?
Andy Holloway
That's what I should do. I should never put it in our. In our show docs. I should just surprise every time with my boom boom kicker.
Jason Moore
It's fine with me because I. That's. It's kind of. Here's a little tip. I don't even look at it.
Andy Holloway
So.
Jason Moore
Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. I'm Andy Holloway. I'm joined by Jason Moore and Mike the fantasy hitman is away again.
Andy Holloway
I miss him. I hope lazy. I hope that the listeners miss him as well. Because, you know, every one of us brings something to the show. But, well, you know, you host, Mike brings the man bun and the. And the beard and the unverification.
Jason Moore
Sure.
Andy Holloway
I bring the poor grammar. Yeah.
Jason Moore
All have the same thing. Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. But it has.
Jason Moore
We all had different reasons. We flunked out of school, apparently.
Andy Holloway
That being said, man, has it been such a great week without him? I mean, just incredible. Just the best.
Jason Moore
Oh, well, we miss you, Mike. As you can tell. Yes. Today we have the fantasy forecast. Getting into the Week 11 matchups, our starts of the week. Jason does have his boom boom kicker segment. We've got some news for you And a reminder that we're giving away some sweet autographed gear. So if you have not taken the time to go and enter for free, check out foot clangiveaway.com get involved. Win a David Johnson signed jersey. We've got a Carlos Hyde signed jersey. We got a Jordan Reed signed mini helmet. We have some gift cards and things like that. Free to enter. We're just giving stuff away because it's fun. If you want to follow us, you can do it on Twitter, the ffballers Ballers at the FF Ballers. And we are on the fantasy sports network. Don't forget we're also on YouTube. You can subscribe, you can watch the show. Jason's wearing a very bright red fantasy reaper shirt.
Andy Holloway
Yes.
Jason Moore
I am paying homage to the.
Andy Holloway
To you.
Jason Moore
To me.
Andy Holloway
Which is weird.
Jason Moore
Thank you.
Andy Holloway
And kind of grossing me out.
Jason Moore
Okay, good. And check out our fantasy community@jointhefoot.com where we like to hang out. We've got an extra episode this afternoon.
Andy Holloway
Over@Jointhefoot.Com do we have time today to get to mailbag? Probably not.
Jason Moore
Do we? Probably don't.
Andy Holloway
If we do, I will do the mailbag drop. But I said it yesterday, I mean it on today's foot. Cast over on Join the foot. You are doing the mailbag drop.
Jason Moore
Which is great because I have. If you've been around, you know that I have a range that doesn't exist. Like it's not. I don't just sound bad in a certain pitch and range. It's non existent. There is an omission from my vocal cords that was removed.
Andy Holloway
It's so great memes have been made about you. In fact, Brooks, why don't we get those tweeted out today?
Jason Moore
All right. All right, let's get. Look, this is a fantasy football show. Let's get into the quick question. All right.
Andy Holloway
All right.
Jason Moore
The quick question comes in off of Twitter today. And the question is this. How many players are you willing to have from one team on your roster? So, for example, we talked on the. And by the way, if you haven't listened, yesterday we had the playoff primer, the schedule, the matchups for teams in the playoffs. One of those teams that has a really nice playoff slate is Tampa Bay. So are you comfortable with a rolling Jameis Winston and Mike Evans and Doug Martin because. Because they played the Saints two times in the playoffs.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I mean, I personally would not love that. Am I willing? Yes, I think you can win with the three pack of them if you have to, but that wouldn't Be my desire. Because you know that you're capped a little bit. You, you know when Doug Martin goes and gets his.
Jason Moore
They cannot all score on every play.
Andy Holloway
Right. When you know it's okay to have the quarterback wide receiver or even the quarterback running back combo in the case of someone that's going to be a pass catching running back. But you are capping your total upside and in the playoffs that matters. What you're saying if you have Winston and Evans and Doug Martin for two games is that you're assuming that those six opportunities are all going to go well in the playoffs and that's probably not going to happen.
Jason Moore
Well, I will agree in part with what you're saying. Traditionally I have won with multiplayers stacks from really good teams. The Dallas Clark, Reggie Wayne, Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers. Eddie Lacy and Jordy Nelson from a couple of years ago.
Andy Holloway
Absolutely.
Jason Moore
Or Tom Brady, Rob Gronkowski, LeGarrett Blunt. Or Edelman.
Andy Holloway
Peyton Manning on the Denver Broncos.
Jason Moore
Sure. Demarius Thomas and I think at that time. Who was it in the backfield? No. Sean Moreno.
Andy Holloway
Oh, yeah. He was good.
Jason Moore
So.
Andy Holloway
But the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are not that caliber of offense. Correct.
Jason Moore
And that's, that's my point is that you are handing over the keys to your playoff run to. Is there a team that's mediocre?
Andy Holloway
Is there any team this year that is that caliber of offense?
Jason Moore
It's. Yeah. New England.
Andy Holloway
Really? Yes.
Jason Moore
I would happily play Blunt, Grand, Gronkowski and Brady. In fact, if you went back and looked at that stack when they played together, I'm sure you would have been very happy.
Andy Holloway
Sure. Sure.
Jason Moore
I can't see a situation where you're not.
Andy Holloway
So I guess I was thinking wide receiver and there's no wide receiver that I absolutely trust. But if you're going right in running back, then yeah.
Jason Moore
I'm trying to think of another team here. I mean, is New Orleans in that category? Probably not.
Andy Holloway
No.
Jason Moore
Not with the.
Andy Holloway
I don't think there's another team that's in the category where I. There are acceptable areas.
Jason Moore
Oh, I know one. You.
Andy Holloway
Well, Dak Dak, Zeke and dez. Yeah, they're close.
Jason Moore
Plus they have nice nicknames.
Andy Holloway
That's true.
Jason Moore
It's very easy to say Spencer Ware and Travis Kelsey. No, no, no.
Andy Holloway
But I think that's it. I think you got the Patriots. Okay. And the Patriots, again, we talked about this yesterday. They don't have the best playoff schedule. No. You know, divide up your assets, put your eggs in multiple baskets and play the right matchups. Listen through the playoffs and win your league, bring home a hashtag Foot Clan title.
Jason Moore
I can't wait. Can't wait to see those Foot Clan titles. All right, before we get into the news, I want to remind you there are articles up on the website, the fantasy footballers.com including some of the reiterations of this matchup show starts of the week. Our quarterback, one primer is going to be up there. Jason, I need you to share the ridiculous waiver wire story that took place this morning in our Dynasty League, where obviously it's very rare to have any players available on the waiver wire. So why don't you share this spectacular tale of glory?
Andy Holloway
Yeah, well, this is. This is no good. Sometimes people think that all my grammatical mistakes, that I just make it up for the sake of the show, is not true. It's not. My brain just works a different way than yours. Yeah, don't judge me. However, it has bled into other areas of life. So I go into our Dynasty League, our main fantasy footballers Dynasty League, and I have Aaron Rodgers. I don't love his playoff schedule and, you know, I don't have anybody behind him if he gets injured. I'm just kind of dumb. Yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada. So I thought, you know, Robert Griffin is out there. He's back to practice. I see him on the waivers and I think he's definitely worth, you know, a 24 man roster. I'm going to pick him up. And so I make a claim.
Jason Moore
That's Robert Griffin iii.
Andy Holloway
Robert Griffin III from your Cleveland Browns.
Jason Moore
Okay.
Andy Holloway
And so I go and I pick him up. I make a $10 waiver bid. I look this morning to see if I got him, and I see congratulations that Robert Griffin was picked up for $0 to another team. And I go, what? I made a $10 bid. I go back and I look at my team and I am the proud new owner of Ryan Griffin. Ryan Griffin, who I paid 10 fab dollars for. So.
Jason Moore
So not only can you not speak, you can't read? Is that what we're. Is that what we're learning?
Andy Holloway
Dyslexia is a hard thing, my friend.
Jason Moore
Ryan Griffin, can you start? Have you petitioned the league to start him at quarterback?
Andy Holloway
I've actually made a trade this morning and already dropped them.
Jason Moore
Okay, so Ryan Griffin is not Robert Griffin the third.
Andy Holloway
No, he is not.
Jason Moore
Okay, let's move on to the news.
Andy Holloway
News and notes from around the league.
Jason Moore
I really. I'm really entertained by that. So thank you. Thank you very much.
Andy Holloway
I got Matthew Stafford.
Jason Moore
And it's always great to know the thought of you being flabbergasted and, oh, a travesty. Something has come up against me. No, that was just on you. All right. Really, really good news, everybody.
Andy Holloway
Oh, stop it.
Jason Moore
The packers have claimed Kristen Michael because.
Andy Holloway
I wish we had a phone call tape of Mike just gleefully doing cartwheel.
Jason Moore
It's just too funny.
Andy Holloway
A lot of people want to know, what do you do with Kristen Michael now? I would immediately. You know, O'Reilly's pumped the brake on Christian Michael signing personally. Chris and Michael went to Washington. Chris and Michael went to Dallas. Chris and Michael has had several stints now with, you know, Seattle. He is a talented, physical player, but every team.
Jason Moore
It's like a bad movie that teams can't stop renting. I mean, it's just he has.
Andy Holloway
He has left every team wanting. He has not done what the coaches want. Everywhere he's gone and he's disappointed. He.
Jason Moore
Look, you know what this was? This was John Don Jackson went on IR yesterday.
Andy Holloway
That's right.
Jason Moore
Okay. James Starks is the guy to own there.
Andy Holloway
I have no depth. And I don't blame them at all.
Jason Moore
For picking him up as a. Minnesota had a claim on him. Green Bay had the higher waiver priority.
Andy Holloway
Truth. So, you know, look, in a dynasty league, I think Kristen Michael maybe. Maybe Eddie Lacy sign somewhere else next year and they keep Kristen Michael and get him more involved in the offense. But I think he's going to be a little bit slower to pick up the offense. We saw them bring in Niall Davis, who's an athletic, physical freak as well. How did that work out for them?
Jason Moore
Yeah, don't freak out.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Jason Moore
And don't. Don't waste your waiver priority, which is the question I was asked a lot yesterday on Twitter.
Andy Holloway
Right.
Jason Moore
All right. Chris Mortensen says CJ Pro Size will remain the starting running back for the immediate future, perhaps adding a little bit of a pat on the back to anybody who wants to roll him into the lineup.
Andy Holloway
This week, he was almost my start of the week. He was not, but he was in consideration because I think.
Jason Moore
So you are unequivocally starting CJ Pro Size above Thomas Rawls this week. This week, Rawls practiced in full, and.
Andy Holloway
I think Rawls will be great going forward the next few weeks. Rawls is one of those kind of rise from the ashes fantasy players. But this week, I think CJ Prosise will have the majority of carries will be used also in the passing game. You'll see Thomas Rawls in The role that he was in when he was back for a little while where he and Kristen Michael were sharing the load, which kind of capped Rawls value. But then you're also going to have Pro size in the receiving game, which Kristen Michael wasn't really in.
Jason Moore
Would you start CJ Pro Size against Philly or Mark Ingram against Carolina tonight?
Andy Holloway
I think I would start CJ Pro Size. I don't love the matchup against Philly, but at least they're at home and not in Philadelphia.
Jason Moore
Okay. All right, Very reasonable. Let's move on here. Jordan Howard was correct apparently that he had not been injured in any way and he practiced in full.
Andy Holloway
So wait a minute. You're telling me John Fox was was wrong or was feeding misinformation credible?
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Let me mark that guy.
Jason Moore
I think right now I realize we've made a grave error in the show. Is Mike verified?
Andy Holloway
Oh, let me check. Is Mike verified calm? Nope.
Jason Moore
Nope.
Andy Holloway
No. Okay.
Jason Moore
Still don't trust.
Andy Holloway
Anyway, Mike.
Jason Moore
He's actually, you guys think he's on vacation. He was suspended from the show due to some trust issues. So DeSean Jackson returned to practice on Wednesday. I, you know, I don't want to do the desean Jackson dance anymore. Not only is he not fun to try to start when he's healthy, he's often hurt and I don't even know if he plays this week.
Andy Holloway
So, yeah, I think most fantasy owners are hoping he doesn't because the relevant players right now are your Jameson Crowders and your Jordan Reeds and even your Vernon Davis.
Jason Moore
You're going to hear me talk about Vernon Davis in a little bit. So. All right. Some other guys that did not practice just to keep you aware of what's going on. Remember tomorrow on the episode we have our in or out segment where we give our final word on whether we think guys are playing. These guys did not practice. Grob Gronkowski, Time Montgomery, Jeremy Macklin, Will Fuller, Jacquiz Rogers. And then you have some kind of veteran rest days probably for Larry Fitzgerald, DeMarco Murray and Jimmy Graham. Sound good?
Andy Holloway
Sounds great.
Jason Moore
Any other news before we get into the matchups?
Andy Holloway
Did you hear about Isaiah Pete? And it's not super fancy relevant, but that was sad story. He lost part of his leg in a car accident today.
Jason Moore
I don't believe the accident took place today. I believe the accident took place about a week ago.
Andy Holloway
Yes.
Jason Moore
But I did not hear an update on it. I knew he was in critical condition. So he lost part of his leg.
Andy Holloway
Yes, yes. It was last. It was Last weekend when the. When the car accident happened.
Jason Moore
That is very sad. Yeah. He.
Andy Holloway
Thoughts and prayers with Isaiah.
Jason Moore
Yeah. And his family. That's. That's tragic. All right, we're going to move on, get into the matchups for the upcoming week. As soon as I. As soon as I find the right button here. Hold on. I'm still searching.
Andy Holloway
Fearless hero fantasy forecast.
Jason Moore
Fearless hero.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Jason Moore
Very, very interesting phrase, is definitely fearless.
Andy Holloway
Leader is the phrase that I should have said.
Jason Moore
Once again, proving, proving. How's Ryan Griffin, by the way? Is he doing well?
Andy Holloway
He's good, man.
Jason Moore
We're holding hands. Okay. All right, teams on by this week, a final reminder. Atlanta, Denver, New York. That would be the jets and San Diego in terms of Thursday Night Football updates for tonight's game between the Saints and Panthers, Jonathan Stewart's not on the injury report at all. So I think second time in his career. Okay, that part's not true. But good news nonetheless for those starting him next week, there are no buys. And then week 13, we have two buys.
Andy Holloway
Well, because that makes sense, right?
Jason Moore
That makes a lot of sense. So let's get into the matchups. Let's start with the Bills and the Bengals. The Bills and the Bengals. This game's in Cincinnati, and So they're favored by three. 47 and a half point over under. Andy Dalton did show up on the injury report yesterday with a shoulder injury, which is pretty rare for him.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, And I'm not surprised to see him show up considering the way he was just manhandled at the end of that game. Certainly worth worth monitoring because they're giving.
Jason Moore
Up sacks at a record pace. Right now. They're 32nd in the league when it comes to the average pass attempts per sack. The Bengals are. Every 11 pass attempts he's getting sacked. Now he faces a Bills defense that is number one in the league, sacking the quarterback once every 9.6 pass attempts. This math problem ends up with the solution of. I'm not excited about Andy Dalton this week.
Andy Holloway
No, I don't think you should be. And I don't think Andy Dalton is excited as much as usual about just playing football on a weekly basis because he's getting his helmet smashed in the one place player in the passing game for the Bills. I think for the. For the Bengals, I would say two players kind of sneak out at me. One is AJ Green. One is AJ Green. You're going to let that one go. One is AJ Green because he is this year's biggest deep threat. And the Bills are one of the worst teams at giving up the deep play this year, that's a matchup made in heaven. And if you could just protect Andy Dalton from for a few seconds for like three plays in the game.
Jason Moore
That was the problem last week.
Andy Holloway
Right.
Jason Moore
He could not settle into the pocket and make deep throws that were accurate.
Andy Holloway
What you. What you need to have happen for the. For the Bengals offense to be good is they cannot get down because as soon as they're down and they're in a pass situation where the defense knows they are going to pass the ball, they're not able. So there's going to be no garbage time opportunities for the Bengals. Thankfully, they're. They're still a solid team and should be able to do it. The other guy's Gio Bernard, because if your offensive line isn't holding up well and you are in passing situations, I think the cure for that is the screen game where you let guys come through and you dump it over.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I'm not going to play that cardigan this week, though. Last week I had confidence in Bernard and things came to fruition with the passing game, you know, with the offensive line not being good. But Bernard stunk last week. Jeremy Hill was the guy last week and he looked okay. So while I agree with you in principle, I'm not feeling very good about Bernard.
Andy Holloway
You would rather have Jeremy Hill?
Jason Moore
Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Andy Holloway
Okay.
Jason Moore
I'm going to go with Hill.
Andy Holloway
Both guys are about what they have been all year, which is a startable asset that you're not super excited to start. I don't think you're going with any other. This isn't the game. I don't think to have confidence in starting lefell or, you know, Tyler Boyd.
Jason Moore
No, no. On the other side, we're going to talk about Tyrod Taylor. He's my start of the week. So I'll get into the details about Tyrod Taylor.
Andy Holloway
Copycat. He's my stream of the week. Okay. So I agree with you.
Jason Moore
Okay, good. You're starting the Sean McCoy with confidence. The Bengals defense, we know the story. They've not been good this year. 24th against the run, 17th against the pass. And we'll get into that again with Taylor and how bad the Bengals defense has been. Robert Woods. Okay.
Andy Holloway
Yes.
Jason Moore
A forgotten man because of the bye week in terms of waiver wire pickup potential. Had a very, very good week leading.
Andy Holloway
Into the buy 10 for 162 yards. That qualifies as very, very, very good.
Jason Moore
So Robert woods spot start this week.
Andy Holloway
I definitely think Robert woods is a legitimate Spot start. He was a little bit banged up. He got the bye week coming off. I think he should be in good position to, you know, look, if we both like Tyrod Taylor, you have to like.
Jason Moore
Sure.
Andy Holloway
His weapon.
Jason Moore
Yep.
Andy Holloway
And his main weapon right now is going to be Robert Woods.
Jason Moore
Absolutely. I agree.
Andy Holloway
So, hey, before we continue on talking.
Jason Moore
About Steelers Browns next, by the way.
Andy Holloway
Steelers, Browns.
Jason Moore
We're moving on to Steelers Browns.
Andy Holloway
That's going to be exciting for one half of the game.
Jason Moore
Okay.
Andy Holloway
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Andy Holloway
I think it's Antonio Brown. I also think it's Eli Rogers. Eli Rogers to me is as.
Jason Moore
So Eli Rogers or Robert Woods.
Andy Holloway
That's. I was just going to say he's as good a start as Robert woods and I'm going to go with Eli Rogers here because look, Big Ben on the road, we've seen it. His last game at Baltimore was very bad on the road. But Baltimore's, you know, they're pretty good. Defense on the road in Miami was also very, very bad. He did get injured in that game on the road at Philadelphia. Very, very bad. However, the. Those are all okay defenses and or he got injured.
Jason Moore
They're all not Cleveland and they're all.
Andy Holloway
Look at week one when he was on the road against Washington, he threw.303. Big Ben is still a good quarterback and Eli Rogers has come on lately in a meaningful way. I mean he's got two weeks in a row and that was with Sammy Coates. You know, out there where he's combined for 10 receptions, 145 yards and a touchdown. Both weeks have been serviceable against Cleveland. I think that you're going to have a fine startable game. And when you've got your big blow up potential guys on your roster already and you just need to get points and you're like, I want to get, I want to get 10 points this week. I think Eli Rogers is going to, is going to come through in this game.
Jason Moore
Okay, so here's the thing. On the Brown side, I think Troll Pryor is a great player. I do. I think he's going to get paid. I think he's a great wide receiver. But here is what fantasy owners are having to come to grips with over the last few weeks. And I know I'm a Prior owner, he's had very good first halfs in a couple of weeks. But the problem with the Browns, no matter who's starting at quarterback, McCown Kessler, soon to be Griffin III, who knows, maybe all three of them will start. The Browns only throw for about 218 yards a game. So what you are counting on with Pryor generally in the past few weeks is if he scores, you're happy and if he doesn't score, you're disappointed. The volume hasn't been there for Prior. That gets you to the point where you're really excited about him as in every week. One right where he ends up kind of in that one bubble. Right. Now in terms of the statistics, look, the Steelers defense, they, they don't sack the quarterback very often. So your hope is, okay, McCown, Kessler, settle back, throw a couple deep balls to Pryor. He's been pretty dominant at that. If you get that, you're going to be happy. So do you start Prior this week?
Andy Holloway
I do start Prior. He's still the centerpiece of the offense the last two weeks. He's had five receptions in both weeks, six the week before, and two of the last three weeks. He's had a really good fantasy game. So I'm not worried about Terrell Pryor. This game Vegas has is a 49 point over under. So when you say you're kind of relying on touchdowns, Cleveland's best opportunity for a touchdown every single game is Terrell Pryor. You know they're going to get at least one touchdown. Two probably. I think there's a good chance that Terrell Pryor scores here.
Jason Moore
Let me ask you this, would you start Charles Pryor this week against Pittsburgh or would you start Steve Smith, senior.
Andy Holloway
Against Dallas, I think I would start Steve Smith, senior. I don't think he has as high an upside necessarily, but, you know, he is. He is very safe as far as, you know, six, seven, eight receptions. I usually lean towards the safe route.
Jason Moore
Okay. All right, Very interesting. Otherwise, Crowell and Duke Johnson, you really, you know, the Steelers have not been their middle of the pack against the run. I'm just tired of hoping.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Jason Moore
For those two guys.
Andy Holloway
So I find myself more down on Isaiah Crowell than the consensus is. You know, look, he's. He's been getting involved in the passing game, which is kind of weird and great the last couple weeks. In the last two weeks, he's had seven receptions. If that keeps up, great. But I'm just so surprised because in the last two weeks he hasn't even had 10 carries. Just 10. Just like the low. Not really, you know, even a split, you can split carries and get 10, and he hasn't had it in two weeks.
Jason Moore
Clearly, the confidence of Hugh Jackson is not there for him right now. And that offense isn't doing anything.
Andy Holloway
The reality is, is that they're getting down into big holes on a regular basis, and I think the Steelers should be able to do that as well. And that kind of doesn't help Isaiah Crowell's game. Thankfully, he is still getting involved in the passing game, but that's not his forte. I wish they would use Duke Johnson a little bit more so I could have confidence to start him, but I also don't.
Jason Moore
All right, Ravens. Cowboys. Ravens traveling to Dallas. Dallas, seven point favorites with a 45 point over under. This is Dak Prescott's team, further confirmed this week with the Tony Romo press conference. We know about Zeke's incredible year so far with over a thousand yards on pace to break Eric Dickerson's record. And we know about Des Bryant's big game. So I wanted to break this down. You know, Mike wants to talk about Cole Beasley.
Andy Holloway
Right.
Jason Moore
And make his. His comments. But I looked at the split over the last couple years when these guys play together versus when DEZ Bryant's off the field. And I'm probably going to tell you what you already know, but Cole Beasley isn't Cole Beasley with Dak, with Des on the field.
Andy Holloway
But Andy, we've seen two games where he's been good with Des out there.
Jason Moore
Yeah, yeah, that's true. And good is okay, but you don't get the upside. I mean, if you look over the last two years when Des is out, he averages over 11 fantasy points per game. He averages more receptions. Almost four game he averages. And his touchdown percentage, his potential is twice. He scores twice as often without Des than he does with Des.
Andy Holloway
So that just makes sense, right? Right.
Jason Moore
The best red zone weapon is DEZ Bryant.
Andy Holloway
Maybe in football sometimes you see, you know, splits and they're interesting, but there's not really sense behind it. You can't make sense of it. This one. Look, if Des is in there, that's taking, you know, shots away from Cole Beasley. I'm not starting Cole Beasley right now. Mike isn't here to disagree, so I think we recommend looking.
Jason Moore
Would you start woods and the aforementioned, aforementioned Eli Rogers over Beasley because of their upside?
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I think I would. Especially against the Ravens. The Ravens have a pretty good passing.
Jason Moore
Very good, Very good.
Andy Holloway
And so I don't expect this to be a high scoring game. You've got Vegas saying it's middle of the pack, 45 points. So, yeah, I'm not. I don't think the upside is there with Beasley probably at the end of the week. Woods, Eli Rogers, Beasley, they're all around the same. But I think Eli Rogers has the potential to have a great game.
Jason Moore
All right. In terms of Zeke, you know, you're rolling him out there. Do you start Dak in this matchup? Like you said, the Ravens are first against the run, fifth against the pass. Pretty good defense, but Dallas is at home. So your confidence level in Dak is.
Andy Holloway
What my confidence level is. He's in deck going forward is very high. I think he's legit. I think he is legit as a fantasy quarterback. But against the Ravens, I take most all players down. We just talked about how Big Ben had a terrible game against him and Big Ben is a better quarterback.
Jason Moore
So we have him outside the top 12. All three of us do.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. I think I've got him 17th this week. And it's not because I don't believe in him, don't like him. It's just the matchup says that this is going to be a game where I think Ezekiel Elliott is going to have to run the ball and they're not going to do much with Dak and they're not going to be able to, you know, have a prolific passing game and it just doesn't.
Jason Moore
They don't need. They probably don't need to. They probably don't need to. I mean, the Ravens, they're going to be pushed when it comes to their, basically Cowboys.
Andy Holloway
I'm starting destroyers, I'm starting Ezekiel Elliott and That's it.
Jason Moore
Okay.
Andy Holloway
And I'm tempering my DES expectations.
Jason Moore
How about the Terrence West, Kenneth Dixon conundrum for fantasy owners? Because last week Dixon, five catches on seven targets. Terrence west had the majority of the carries.
Andy Holloway
I'll tell you, I'll tell you straight.
Jason Moore
Your face tells me that you're not excited about starting either of these players.
Andy Holloway
You read my face wrong.
Jason Moore
Wrong.
Andy Holloway
Yes, you are reading my face wrong. The reality is I'm not. I'm not excited to say what I'm about to say.
Jason Moore
I am very curious.
Andy Holloway
I think this is Dixon's breakup. I think it's time. I think it would have happened last week if he was completely healthy going into that game. You know, you did see Terrence west with the bulk of the carries. He still got 21 carries to Kenneth Dixon, six. But that, that was with a Kenneth Dixon who, you know, didn't practice most of the week. And you know, you're not going to try to shove him up the middle when he's. When he is probably could have used better words there, but when he is injured, you're not going to, you know, put him between the tackles. They still used him. He had five receptions for 42 yards. He is clearly the better looking prospect. When you watch the film and you watch both of them run, Kenneth Dixon is the guy that will win out. Is this the week that it happens? You know, maybe not, because Dallas's defense is good. And so I'm not necessarily saying you need to be starting Kenneth Dixon pro size or Dixon. I would definitely start process over Rawls or Dixon that's closer. And I think I would go Dixon here because if it's any kind of PPR format, I think I would play Dixon over Rawls personally. But that's. That's about where it is for me.
Jason Moore
All right, let's go ahead and move on now and talk about this Jacksonville, Detroit game up in Detroit. The Lions are six and a half point favorites. To me. I take the over on the 47 point over under from Vegas. I like the potential. This game is indoors. It's a Bortles and Stafford extravaganza. You've got a defense in Detroit that's been pretty atrocious. You've got a defense, you know, outside of the past defense in Jacksonville, they've been pretty bad and you know that they can be scored on. So to me, this game has the potential for a lot of points and they're going to be distributed. So where do they go? What side do you want to Start on here.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. Let's start with the Lions, because I think when I look at where are the points going to go in this game, the player that sticks out to me the most is Theo Riddick. We'll talk about him in a little bit. He was going to be my start of the week. Unfortunately, you had already claimed him.
Jason Moore
I stole him.
Andy Holloway
We are both in agreement that Theo Riddick is a very good play this week. The Jaguars have not been great against the run. They have been giving up touchdowns at. Theo Riddick has been really good.
Jason Moore
Yeah, he's been running really well over 5 a carry the last two weeks.
Andy Holloway
So you know that. That's where I think it's going to come from, the most part. That doesn't necessarily take anything away from Stafford, though, because Theo Riddick can be getting it done through the air. Stafford's numbers can be fine. The question always becomes, whenever you talk about the Lions, is it Golden State or is it Marvin Jones?
Jason Moore
I would start both this week.
Andy Holloway
Really?
Jason Moore
Yeah. I'd be okay starting both, because you're not. You probably don't have them both on your roster. You're sitting there saying, could I start Tate? Could I start Jones? Let's see where we have them ranked this week as a consensus. By the way, the Week 11 rankings, you can find them all on the website, the rankings tab atthe fantasy footballers.com. this week, it looks like we have Tate in the wide receiver two category and we all have him ranked ahead of Marvin Jones right now. But they're very close.
Andy Holloway
They're both in the wide receiver 2 category.
Jason Moore
So some guys we like more, maybe that will help. When we say, oh, stardom, the question is over who.
Andy Holloway
I would like Dante Moncrief.
Jason Moore
Sure. Pryor.
Andy Holloway
Pryor. Michael Thomas.
Jason Moore
Crabtree.
Andy Holloway
For sure. Crabtree. I'm never going to sit, but I'd.
Jason Moore
Probably start these guys over. Diggs, who faces Patrick Peterson this week.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I can see that.
Jason Moore
I have Diggs a lot lower than you guys, but I have Tate higher.
Andy Holloway
Than Diggs over a Mike Wallace.
Jason Moore
Yeah. Yeah. So hopefully that's some perspective. I like the matchups. I like the potential for points on the board in this game. On the other side, I really like Alan Robinson. No team in the league has allowed more a higher percentage of the passes to be caught than Detroit has to wide receivers, they are a bad, bad, bad passing defense. Now, I do hear Darius Slay is going to be out there again this week. That's the rumor that he'll be back. So some people have said okay, well then do you take a shot with Marquis Lee? If you need a deep league flyer, I'm okay with that. Lee's catch totals have been fine. He doesn't score though.
Andy Holloway
Right.
Jason Moore
And so I like Robinson. I like, I like Bortles enough to stream him. I'm not excited. I think he's going to make his mistakes because that's what he does. But look, I think this is one of those games where the only one that I would really say stay far away from right now is Yelden and Ivory.
Andy Holloway
I agree.
Jason Moore
And I look, I looked back at this, right. Like let's say out of all the potential starts that you had between Yelden and Ivory when they've been healthy, there's 16 times this year that you could have started one of the other guys. There's only been five times out of that 16 when you would have been moderately happy with the result. Right, right. Like where you.
Andy Holloway
Where they didn't.
Jason Moore
It's double, double digit games. You've got five of 16. So your odds are low when you choose. Not only do you have to choose the right one, but you already have a less than a 33% chance to even get it right.
Andy Holloway
And the way that those splits work is you can't prop. You can't know if it's going to be a Chris Iver game or a TJ Yelden game. So I agree. I would stay away. The one other player that I would start, he was almost my, my start of the week is Julius Thomas. He's got three touchdowns in the last four games and the Lions are terrible against the tight end. If this game goes how you expect over Vegas line, I think you know, if Darius Slay is on Allen Robinson, Julius Thomas is in prime position for a touchdown. You could definitely do worse than him this week. And he, you know, I think he ends the week as a top 12 tight end.
Jason Moore
All right, you ready to move on to the Titans and the Colts?
Andy Holloway
Yes. Now that that is a game I am excited about. Vegas agrees 53 points as the over under is their expectation of about where this game finishes. We have seen the Titans just on complete. They are scoring as much if not more than every team in the league over. I would say from about week five on their combination of Mariota and DeMarco Murray has been unstoppable.
Jason Moore
Seeing the emergence of Rashad Matthews, you've also seen a softening week after week of their defense. Yeah, that has not looked as good.
Andy Holloway
Good for fantasy purposes.
Jason Moore
It is. It is. The Titans are now ranked 24th against the pass. This is not what they were in the beginning of the. I might move Andrew Luck up to number one this week. He's. He's in consideration for my favorite play this week in Indianapolis with Hilton, with Moncrief. I really like Andrew Luck. I like Mariota.
Andy Holloway
Well, we're going to talk about Mariota here in a little bit at the start of the week. So we'll pass the quarterbacks. You're going to start both these guys?
Jason Moore
Sure, sure. Absolutely.
Andy Holloway
The question becomes who are they passing to? Because I do think that there's going to be plenty of production. It's very difficult on the Titans side of the ball to determine who that's going to be. I think you're going to start Delaney Walker. He's been great. This is a plus matchup.
Jason Moore
Yep. No doubt.
Andy Holloway
Are you going to stay in the flames with Rashard Matthews, who's. Yeah, I think you have in this matchup.
Jason Moore
I will. The Colts are 31st against the pass. Really, I don't know how many very difficult decisions there. I'm starting Hilton, starting Moncrief.
Andy Holloway
Would you be willing to start Kendall? Right. In a game like this?
Jason Moore
No.
Andy Holloway
Okay.
Jason Moore
I mean, willing to start. Yeah. I mean, but I'm going to start those other guys we've talked about earlier in the show over Kendall. Right. Because what you've seen with him is in these shootouts, maybe he's lucky enough to get to get one of those.
Andy Holloway
But Andy, remember Tajie Sharp?
Jason Moore
Yeah. He actually scored last.
Andy Holloway
No, he looked very good for the first time.
Jason Moore
Yeah. We have Kendall right outside that wide receiver three. We have him at 43 right now. I'd start Tyree Kill over him. I'd start Devonte Parker, Eddie Royal as a sneaky start over Kendall Wright. Those are all guys that I'd. I'd much prefer. But Rashard Matthews, he's right on that wide receiver 2, 3 edge with the upside of scoring in sixth straight.
Andy Holloway
He has the upside of being a wide receiver. 1. We talked about this. I forget from what week it was on, but he was the number five wide receiver just because he has been in the end zone every single week. And I do believe that Rashad Matthews is a quality NFL wide receiver. So that's all coming together nicely. And I think part of the emergence of Mariota and the passing game is what is hurting to a large degree, their defense that is not able to be rested up as well during the game. You know, we've seen this so much with different offenses and defenses the defense of the Dallas Cowboys is better and better when the running game is the core of the Cowboys offense. You're starting to Marco Murray. I don't think you're going to start Derek Henry.
Jason Moore
No, you're not.
Andy Holloway
So let's flip over to the Colts.
Jason Moore
I think we kind of.
Andy Holloway
You start Frank Gore.
Jason Moore
I don't think there's another discussion to be had on the Colts side, unless you're talking Doyle Allen and I'm picking Doyle.
Andy Holloway
So I'm picking Doyle as my start of the week. We'll talk about that.
Jason Moore
Yeah. So let's, let's. One more matchup, then we'll get into the starts of the week and we'll have the rest of the matchups tomorrow. The Buccaneers take on the Chiefs. The Chiefs are heavy favorites in this one. Seven and a half point favorites at home. I'd love to write a narrative where Tampa can come in and beat the Chiefs. I don't think it's possible. I just don't. The Chiefs have played so well. Justin Houston's practicing in full. You know, this is one of those games that I just think Jameis Winston is going to be up against it. We know we like how the end of the season looks for him. He's been on fire. I don't have the confidence to play Jameis Winston in this matchup. How do you feel about Jameis Winston?
Andy Holloway
I agree. The Chiefs defense has been legit. They have Justin Houston back and they are going to be nasty the rest of the way. In fact, I would say we don't usually talk about picking up defenses, but the Chiefs are.
Jason Moore
It happened last year. One of those were great to grab last year.
Andy Holloway
At the end of the day, Absolutely. They're one of those teams that I have seen on plenty of waivers. They get dropped because they're, you know, a matchup type of team. I would grab the Chiefs and I would hold on to them the rest of the season and use them as a streamer off of your bench as opposed to off the waivers. And for those reasons, I agree with you. I'm not really liking a lot of the Tampa players. I mean, you're still going to start Mike Evans, but I'm, you know, tempering expectations. What do you do with Doug Martin?
Jason Moore
Well, you're going to probably end up having to start him, but this is, you know, this is not a great matchup. He's easing back into the rotation here. So, Winston, we have outside of our top 15, where's our consensus rank for Martin as of right now?
Andy Holloway
Right now we have Doug Martin at, let me tell you.
Jason Moore
Looks like we have Martin 2020. Okay.
Andy Holloway
I think that's exactly. That's about right.
Jason Moore
Yeah. So the matchups, it's not great. It doesn't mean that this team can't surprise. They're pretty good offensive team. But, you know, last week they had the benefit of facing a Chicago team that was just tripping over itself on offense. You know, Cameron Brait is a good start this week. He might have been a waiver pickup for you. Travis Kelsey, you're going to lock him in and you're going to play him. Jeremy Macklin, I don't know if he's on the field. I think Macklin likely is going to be one of those game time decision type of players if Macklin does not go. I'm going to tell you right now, Tyree Kill is strong consideration for me. 10 catches last week. A very beatable Bucks defense that's ranked in the 20s for both pass and run. I really like Tyreek.
Andy Holloway
You've talked all week in the office about Tyreek Hill. I agree with you. If Macklin is out, if Macklin is in, I'm not starting Tyreek Hill. That's. That's how I see it. And also, just to kind of disagree with you on one other thing. I'm not liking Cameron Brait this week. I still like picking him up. His playoff schedule is amazing. He should be owned. He has been, you know, three weeks in a row with a touchdown. But. But the Chiefs against the tight end, they've been great. They've given up one touchdown on the season to the tight end. They just played Greg Olson. They've played, you know, Indianapolis and New Orleans and teams that have good tight ends and they've shut them down. So Cameron Brait, maybe he gets a sneaky touchdown. You know, it happened. You know, Pittsburgh scored a touchdown to the tight end, but I'm not going to project that. I think Cameron Brait finishes outside the top 12.
Jason Moore
Okay. All right. Very fair. You ready to.
Andy Holloway
And you're definitely starting.
Jason Moore
Where is Smith?
Andy Holloway
Spencer Ware must start.
Jason Moore
Yeah. I love where this week. I moved him up in my rankings as well. I've Spencer where as my number five overall this week. You guys have met six. You buried him at six.
Andy Holloway
There's five people. I'd start over him.
Jason Moore
Yeah. Okay. And then Alex Smith, possible streamer candidate this week. I thought about it.
Andy Holloway
Absolutely. He is.
Jason Moore
He just hasn't thrown very many touchdowns.
Andy Holloway
My problem with him isn't actually that. My problem is he hasn't been running the ball, which is where his value has, has always come from.
Jason Moore
But I don't, I don't like him. I'm going to officially say I don't like him.
Andy Holloway
Well, I mean, when we're talking streamers if, if you're going deep on the waivers and our other streamers aren't available, he is at least a capable quarterback who has done it before with a plus matchup.
Jason Moore
Fair enough.
Andy Holloway
There you go. Starts of the week.
Jason Moore
All right, starts of the week from myself and Jason. Today I'm going to go with Tyrod Taylor at the quarterback position. Alluded to it earlier. Listen, I took a look at the numbers. If you throw out Cincinnati's game against Cleveland, which I, I am in full approval of throwing out anything Cleveland related when it comes to your defense, you throw out that game. Cincinnati has given up 2.37 touchdowns to quarterbacks this year per game on average.
Andy Holloway
That's great.
Jason Moore
Tyrod Taylor hasn't even needed throwing passing touchdowns to be fantasy relevant. He scored three straight on the ground in three straight games on the ground. Now you get a matchup with Cincinnati who has been giving it up. Tyrod has been putting up consistent numbers. I really, really like Tyrod Taylor this week. He's my start.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, that's a good start. I mean, he was my stream. So we obviously agree. My start of the week at quarterback is Marcus Mariota. There is, I mean there's nobody on fire more than Marcus Mariota right now in the league. You want to know how good Drew Brees, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers have been this year? Nobody who has them is upset that they've got him. They have been on fire. And those three hall of Fame incredible quarterbacks are the second, third and fourth placed quarterback since week five. The number one is Marcus Mariota. The first four games of the year when Tennessee was a defense and run oriented team, Marcus Mariota only had, I think two touchdowns, no four touchdowns in the first four weeks from week five on. Listen, I'm just going to read you his touchdowns sequentially. Three, three two two three four. And that's not. Yeah. And that's not including during that time two extra rushing touchdowns. He has been on fire. He's playing in Indianapolis. If you've got him, you have to.
Jason Moore
It's reminiscent of what we got from Russell Wilson over the second half of last year.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Jason Moore
Where the touchdown totals were just up there. You've got the potential on the ground. He's been doing it, I think four straight weeks without even the rushing Yards that we're used to seeing from him. It's nice to have that in the back pocket, though. Really agree with that call. Who's your running back? Who are you starting this week at? Running back with confidence.
Andy Holloway
My running back with confidence and it's supreme confidence is LeGarrett blunt. You know, this might be a little too obvious for my normal taste. I like going a little bit deeper. But if you have LeGarrett blunt and you worry about Dion Lewis coming back and you know, because he wasn't even active during the game last week, that's silliness. Last week, obviously. He had this crazy three touchdown game this week. He's playing the San Francisco 49ers, who are the worst defense I can remember seeing against the running back position. And LeGarrett Blunt's been on fire for him. I will say this, Tom Brady, he wants to be special against the 49ers, the team he grew up rooting for, a team that brought him in one of the only other teams that brought him in for tryouts. And he thought he was going to be drafted by his hometown team. And he's pretty much gone on the record talking about this game being important for him. So if Tom Brady throws for, you know, 16 touchdowns, I'm not going to be shocked.
Jason Moore
That'll be a lot.
Andy Holloway
It'll be a. He's going, he's going to set the record. But I do still think even with Tom Brady having an excellent pass touchdown game, you're going to have Legara Blunt run a few in here.
Jason Moore
All right, My start of the week at the running back position is Theo Riddick. I beat Jason to the punch on this guy, but look, he's been over five a carry in the last two weeks, including a game against Minnesota. You know, he is just so crucial to the Detroit offense right now. There's nobody behind him that's going to threaten the amount of snaps that he's going to get. So I think he's a very high floor type of player. He averages more touchdown receptions per game than any other fantasy running back because Matthew Stafford is willing to look to him in the red zone. He's the third most targeted running back. Look, and we already talked about points being on the board, so I really like Theo Riddick and what he's done since he got back off the injury list. You know, I have no confidence in Dwayne Washington doing much to take anything away from him. So Theo Riddick, my start of the week, my wide receiver, start of the week. Is Kelvin Benjamin. And I know people, they're all over the map with Kelvin Benjamin. He started off the year on fire. I think that made some people very upset because I think they went out and traded for him. I think that they have counted on him to be a one where he's been a two. He's been a two type of player, 8 for 86. The last time he played New Orleans last week, he had seven catches. New Orleans likes to give it up to fantasy wide receivers. I just think the matchup is too good to pass on Kelvin Benjamin tonight. So I'm going to throw him out there as a confirmed start. I'm going to put him in that backing. Wide receiver one.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I agree. The start of the week for me, for wide receiver is Larry Fitzgerald. This is a guy that, if you have him, you've been thrilled with him, but if you have him this week, you're a little concerned about whether you play him or not. There's, you know, he got an MRI in his knee. He's going to be missing practice through the week and he's playing the number two ranked defense against wide receiver. Do you consider sitting Larry Fitzgerald against the Minnesota Vikings?
Jason Moore
It's a little trepidatious.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, it certainly is. And I'm telling you, don't sit Larry Fitzgerald in this game. This is a homecoming game for Larry Fitzgerald against Minnesota. Bruce Arians came out and was like, you know, when people were asking about, you know, are you worried? Is he going to play? Is he not? And he goes, there's no, in the, there's no way in the world he's not playing against Minnesota. This is one of those heart games for Larry. Plus, forget, forget just the narrative of the homecoming game for him. You know, he grew up as a Minnesota ball boy, right? And now he's going to the new stadium in Minnesota. Great, great for Larry. But he has two weeks in a row with over 10 receptions. He is clearly important. And you think back to like, okay, well, what about when he played Seattle, a great, you know, number one or two or three against the wide receiver as well? Well, in that game, he was 6 for 81 and two touchdowns. Big games are where Larry thrives. I don't think they're going to shut him down. I think he's going to be safe. Is he going to finish as the number one, you know, top five wide receiver? No, but he is not going to crap your team. He's Larry Fitzgerald. Make sure he's in your lineup unless you've got three. Just unbelievable Studs that are better than him. I can't see sitting Larry.
Jason Moore
Now, I think both of us are walking out on a ledge a little bit with our tight end starts this week. So why don't you kick it off? We'll close out starts of the week with your tight end pick and my tight end pick. So who do you have?
Andy Holloway
Sure, I've got Jack Doyle. Doyle rules again.
Jason Moore
Man, I'm surprised.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I know. It was a little bit deeper. I wanted to go somewhere, you know, look, if. If you're. If you've got Cameron Brait, I want.
Jason Moore
You to go somewhere too. If you've got somewhere.
Andy Holloway
If you've got Cameron Bray and you've got Jack Doyle, I'm going to start Doyle over him. Jack Doyle has been very involved all season long. If you look at his reception totals for the tight end, you know, it's great. His last four weeks he had four receptions, nine, two and five. Last week, five for 61. And this week he plays a very good matchup. We were just talking about. This game against Tennessee is a very high scoring game. Where are the points going to come from? Well, I do know that Tennessee has solid parts of their defense, but one of those parts are not against the tight end. They're 25th in the league at giving up points to fantasy tight ends. A lot of touchdowns go to him. And if you look at The Jack Doyle vs. Dwayne Allen conundrum there.
Jason Moore
It's not a conundrum.
Andy Holloway
It's not. It's just Jack Doyle, he has inherited that Kobe Fleener role from last year. He's not quite as talented, but. But he is. He's got a great.
Jason Moore
He might be more. He might be more talented.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I guess that's kind of. Shut up. Yeah, I don't want to say that, but it's possible he's not as athletic. I'll say that.
Jason Moore
Okay.
Andy Holloway
He's better at catching the ball.
Jason Moore
Yeah. All right. I'm going to go out on a ledge big time this week. I'm going with. I'm going with Vernon Davis, by the way, side note, really like Zach Miller. If you have Zach Miller, I'd start him over Vernon Davis, but I think Vernon has moved himself into a category of a startable tight end. There are not many teams worse at defending tight ends in Green Bay. Go ahead and look at Delaney Walker's stat line last week. Washington has two tight ends, so you have to pay attention to Jordan Reed and Vernon Davis. Davis is four straight weeks with double digit fantasy points and So I think you can roll them out there this week. I'm having a hard time deciding between Vernon Davis on my roster and Kobe Fleener because I'm not sure who the better play is this week. You've got the Carolina pass defense, but I mean Fleener is seeing a lot of pass route snaps. But Josh Hill's being targeted too and so I'm not sure it's that different.
Andy Holloway
Who you starting?
Jason Moore
Andy right now? Fleeners in my lineup.
Andy Holloway
Okay.
Jason Moore
All right. But Vernon Davis might end up there. We'll see. That's.
Andy Holloway
So I would, I would start Fleener for the record. But I don't blame you for having the considerations and I think the points you make are valid because they are accurate.
Jason Moore
All right, so we have.
Andy Holloway
Those are verified.
Jason Moore
Yes, they're. Of course, of course. I don't. I wouldn't have it any other way. You can trust me. And speaking of trust, it's time.
Andy Holloway
Oh, I forgot. Jason Moore's ironclad. Locked and loaded. 100% guaranteed. Boom boom kicker of the week.
Jason Moore
It's nothing. There's nothing more important in this segment.
Andy Holloway
No, this is, this is what matters. I was going to go Adam Bennett, Harry again. He let me down the first time and he's too old.
Jason Moore
Oh, no, he's not.
Andy Holloway
No, he's not. And of course. But the reality, the reason I didn't go there is because if you've got him, you're starting him. He's 100% owned. I went with. I went a little deeper this week. Look, this guy's available in 35% of your leagues. And I'm saying my boom boom ironclad lock, the loader kicker of the week is Cairo Santos for the Kansas City Chiefs. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are the perfect type of defense that is bad enough and good enough. Their offense is good enough. And you know where there's going to be a field goal game for the Chiefs? He's got.
Jason Moore
Oh, I agree. Why? I don't like Alex Smith that much.
Andy Holloway
Four weeks in a row of double digit production from the kicker position. So locked and loaded, man. Boom boom.
Jason Moore
I feel like the DirecTV needs to add a, an additional channel to its red zone. That's just the Cairo Santos channel because every time on Sunday I feel like he's kicking a field goal at all turns. I mean, Andy Reid's doing it on third down anymore.
Andy Holloway
He's got three weeks in a row of four field goals.
Jason Moore
See what I mean? I'm telling you.
Andy Holloway
That's nice.
Jason Moore
They get in the red zone And Cairo Santos comes out. So I. I love it. This is going to win, people.
Andy Holloway
Oh, yeah.
Jason Moore
There we.
Andy Holloway
Boom, boom, man. Locked and loaded.
Jason Moore
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Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary: "Starts of the Week, Week 11 Matchups, Boom-Boom!"
Release Date: November 17, 2016
In this episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway and Jason Moore dive deep into Week 11's fantasy football landscape. With Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright absent, the duo fills the studio with their characteristic blend of analysis, humor, and actionable advice. The episode kicks off with brief mentions of sponsors, including Avast for digital security and Five Four Club for fashion subscriptions, ensuring listeners are both informed and entertained from the get-go.
Time Stamp: 04:35
The hosts address a listener's question from Twitter: "How many players are you willing to have from one team on your roster?" This discussion centers around balancing talent versus risk, especially with playoff schedules impacting player performance.
Jason Moore shares his experience:
"Traditionally I have won with multiplayers stacks from really good teams... Eddie Lacy and Jordy Nelson from a couple of years ago."
Andy Holloway weighs in on Tampa Bay's playing schedule:
"If you have Winston and Evans and Doug Martin for two games, you're assuming that those six opportunities are all going to go well in the playoffs and that's probably not going to happen."
The consensus emphasizes diversification, advising managers to spread their assets across multiple teams to mitigate the risk of underperformance in crucial playoff weeks.
Time Stamp: 09:00 - 15:13
The podcast transitions to the latest NFL news affecting fantasy rosters:
Ryan Griffin vs. Robert Griffin III Mix-Up: Andy shares a humorous anecdote about dyslexia leading to mistakenly acquiring Ryan Griffin instead of Robert Griffin III, highlighting the importance of accurate player identification.
Kristen Michael's Waiver Claim: Jason discusses the Packers' acquisition of Kristen Michael amid John Don Jackson's injury, expressing skepticism about Michael's consistency:
"He has left every team wanting. He has not done what the coaches want everywhere he's gone and he's disappointed."
CJ Prosise vs. Thomas Rawls: The debate centers around starting CJ Prosise over Thomas Rawls, with Andy noting:
"Pro size will have the majority of carries will be used also in the passing game."
Time Stamp: 16:35 - 43:07
The hosts provide in-depth analyses of key matchups, offering strategic insights for fantasy managers:
Andy Dalton's Performance:
"The Bengals are giving up 2.37 touchdowns to quarterbacks this year per game on average."
Top Player Picks:
"I'm not feeling very good about Bernard."
Streamers: Tyrod Taylor is recommended as a reliable start with high upside against the Bengals.
Terrell Pryor's Value: Andy advocates for starting Pryor based on his consistent touchdown potential:
"Cleveland's best opportunity for a touchdown every single game is Terrell Pryor."
Isaiah Crowell vs. Duke Johnson: Andy expresses uncertainty about Crowell's usage, leaning towards Johnson for greater stability.
Cole Beasley's Upside: Jason emphasizes the dependency on Dez Bryant:
"He averages more receptions and has a higher touchdown percentage without Des Bryant."
Dak Prescott's Matchup: Andy rates Dak Prescott 17th for the week due to facing the Ravens' strong pass defense:
"I think Ezekiel Elliott is going to have to run the ball and they're not going to do much with Dak."
Running Back Choices:
High-Scoring Potential: Both hosts agree on the potential for a high-scoring game, favoring the over on the Vegas line.
Key Players:
Wide Receiver Strategy: Jason suggests starting both Dante Moncrief and Terrell Pryor, while Andy introduces Julius Thomas as a valuable tight end option.
Cairo Santos as Kicker of the Week:
"He has three weeks in a row of four field goals. So locked and loaded, man. Boom boom."
Jameis Winston's Dilemma: Both hosts express low confidence in Winston’s performance against the Chiefs' robust defense, advising caution in starting him.
Running Back Selection:
Time Stamp: 45:44 - 55:10
Both hosts reveal their recommended starters across various positions:
Jason Moore: Tyrod Taylor
"He scored three straight on the ground in three straight games on the ground. Now you get a matchup with Cincinnati who has been giving it up."
Andy Holloway: Marcus Mariota
"Nobody who has them is upset that they've got him. They have been on fire."
Jason Moore: Theo Riddick
"He's been over five a carry in the last two weeks... a very high floor type of player."
Andy Holloway: LeGarrett Blunt
"He's been on fire for him... He is going to have to run a few in here."
Jason Moore: Kelvin Benjamin
"The matchup is too good to pass on Kelvin Benjamin tonight."
Andy Holloway: Larry Fitzgerald
"This is a homecoming game for Larry Fitzgerald against Minnesota... I don't think they're going to shut him down."
Jason Moore: Vernon Davis
"Four straight weeks with double-digit fantasy points."
Andy Holloway: Jack Doyle
"He has inherited that Kobe Fleener role from last year... He's got great reception totals."
Jason Moore: Cairo Santos (Kansas City Chiefs)
"Boom, boom, man. Locked and loaded."
Andy Holloway: Also endorses Cairo Santos, emphasizing his consistent performance.
The episode wraps up with reminders about ongoing giveaways, community engagement through jointhefoot.com, and sponsor promotions. Both hosts encourage listeners to stay connected via social media and the podcast’s online platforms to maximize their fantasy football success.
Notable Quotes:
Jason Moore on CQ Prosise vs. Thomas Rawls:
"[...] I'm going to go with Hill."
Andy Holloway on Marcus Mariota:
"Nobody who has them is upset that they've got him. They have been on fire."
Jason Moore on Cairo Santos:
"I feel like the DirecTV needs to add an additional channel to its red zone. That's just the Cairo Santos channel because every time on Sunday I feel like he's kicking a field goal at all turns."
This episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast provides a comprehensive guide for Week 11, blending statistical analysis with personal insights. Andy and Jason's discussions offer valuable strategies for roster optimization, player starts, and matchup exploitation, making it an essential listen for fantasy football enthusiasts aiming to secure their league victories.