Fantasy Football Podcast 2017 - Bounce Back Players, Favorite Fantasy Offenses

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary Episode: Bounce Back Players, Favorite Fantasy Offenses
Release Date: June 29, 2017

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Introduction

In this episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright delve into two primary topics: identifying bounce back players poised to excel in the upcoming fantasy football season and discussing their favorite NFL offenses for fantasy purposes. The episode also features a mailbag segment addressing listener questions.

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Favorite NFL Offenses for Fantasy Football

The hosts begin by sharing their favorite NFL offenses to target in fantasy drafts, emphasizing personal preference over outright supremacy.

• Mike Wright – Washington Football Team

  Mike champions Washington's offense, highlighting its high-powered and potent nature. He appreciates the value Washington offers in drafts, allowing fantasy managers to acquire key players without exhausting early-round picks. Key points include:

  • Kirk Cousins: Threw nearly 5,000 yards last season and is available in the 8th and 9th rounds.
  • Wide Receivers: Raul Pryor is valued around the 4th round, with Jameson Crowder and Josh Dockson providing significant upside as later-round picks.

  Notable Quote:

  "Kirk Cousins threw almost 5,000 yards last year. He's going to be an eighth and ninth-round pick."
  — Mike Wright [02:03]

• Jason Moore – Atlanta Falcons

  Jason favors the Atlanta Falcons' offense, citing the trio of Matt Ryan, Devonta Freeman, and Julio Jones as a "holy trinity" of fantasy points. He believes the Falcons' offensive machinery will continue to dominate, providing consistent and high-scoring options for fantasy teams.

  Notable Quote:

  "I firmly believe that the Atlanta Falcons offense this year... will win you your league—in style."
  — Jason Moore [04:34]

• Andy Holloway – Indianapolis Colts

  Andy aligns closely with Mike's preference for Washington but also highlights the Indianapolis Colts as a source of underdrafted talent, mentioning players like Frank Gore and Dante Moncrief as high-value additions.

  Notable Quote:

  "It's a good quick question today. Who is your favorite NFL offense for fantasy football?"
  — Andy Holloway [02:06]

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Bounce Back Players

The core of the episode focuses on identifying six bounce back players—those who underperformed last season but possess the talent and circumstances to rejuvenate their fantasy value. The hosts present their top candidates, each supported by in-depth analysis and relevant statistics.

1. Sammy Watkins (Wide Receiver, Buffalo Bills)

• Host: Andy Holloway

• Analysis:
  Sammy Watkins is highlighted as a prime bounce back candidate due to his proven ability to perform at a high level when healthy. Despite suffering from foot injuries and undergoing a second surgery, Watkins demonstrated significant upside in his return. Andy emphasizes his consistent performance in the latter half of his career and his potential to be a top-tier fantasy wide receiver.

  Notable Quote:

  "Sammy Watkins is being drafted... he's the 19th wide receiver."
  — Andy Holloway [16:58]

2. Doug Martin (Running Back, Tampa Bay Buccaneers)

• Host: Jason Moore

• Analysis:
  Doug Martin's performance has been hampered by injuries, leading to limited playtime in recent seasons. However, Jason argues that Martin's talent remains undiminished, positing that a healthy season would see him return to his former glory as a high-upside running back. Despite concerns about his average draft position (ADP) reflecting skepticism, Jason believes Martin offers top-five running back upside if he regains his starting role.

  Notable Quote:

  "If he's healthy, I believe he'll bounce back."
  — Jason Moore [27:07]

3. Jeremy Maclin (Wide Receiver, Baltimore Ravens)

• Host: Andy Holloway

• Analysis:
  Jeremy Maclin is presented as an underestimated asset due to his transition between teams and previous injuries. Andy contends that Maclin's move to a team with a competent quarterback like Joe Flacco positions him for a resurgence. Despite being overlooked in drafts, Maclin's consistent route-running and high reception efficiency make him a valuable late-round pick.

  Notable Quote:

  "Macklin's assignment in the Chiefs offense somewhat restricts what he can do vertically."
  — Andy Holloway [31:07]

4. Ben Roethlisberger (Quarterback, Pittsburgh Steelers)

• Host: Mike Wright

• Analysis:
  Ben Roethlisberger, despite a subpar previous season, is viewed by Mike as a strong candidate for a bounce back. Drawing parallels to Martavis Bryant's performance fluctuations, Mike believes that Roethlisberger's experience and the Steelers' offensive capabilities will facilitate a return to form. He notes that Roethlisberger's ability to produce monster games makes him a valuable asset, especially in best-ball leagues.

  Notable Quote:

  "If you can see him falling in drafts... that's why I want to bring this up."
  — Mike Wright [35:01]

5. Adrian Peterson (Running Back, New Orleans Saints)

• Host: Jason Moore

• Analysis:
  Adrian Peterson is discussed as a traditional power back who hasn't had a full season plagued by injuries. Jason argues that Peterson's experience and the Saints' offensive line present a favorable environment for a strong performance. While acknowledging Peterson's age and wear-and-tear, Jason believes his unique talent still positions him as a dependable RB1.

  Notable Quote:

  "He's never played a full season and not been in RB1. That's never happened in his career."
  — Jason Moore [37:13]

6. Adrian Peterson vs. Mark Ingram

• Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike Wright

• Analysis:
  The discussion turns to a comparative analysis between Adrian Peterson and Mark Ingram. While Jason supports Peterson's potential resurgence, Andy expresses skepticism regarding Peterson's ability to return to his peak. Instead, Andy favors Mark Ingram, who remains undervalued and offers consistent production as a reliable RB option.

  Notable Quote:

  "I have Mark Ingram ahead in my rankings right now and I certainly think he'll have a better season."
  — Andy Holloway [42:57]

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Mailbag Segment

In the mailbag portion, the hosts address listener questions, offering tailored advice based on specific fantasy scenarios.

• Listener Brandon from Phoenix:
  Question: In a half-point PPR league, with a 7th-round pick, should you select Amir Abdullah, Willie Snead, or Dante Moncrief?
  Responses:

  • Andy Holloway: Recommends Willie Snead for volume or Dante Moncrief for higher touchdown potential.

    "I would bet on volume."
    — Andy Holloway [44:42]

  • Jason Moore: Leans towards Amir Abdullah for his dual-threat capability as a running back and receiver.

    "I'll take Amir Abdullah."
    — Jason Moore [45:09]

  • Mike Wright: Supports Amir Abdullah, highlighting his consistent participation across all games.

    "Amir Abdullah playing 16 games."
    — Mike Wright [45:10]

• Listener Luke from St. Louis:
  Question: In a half-point PPR, 10-team league with the first pick and the choice between LaShawn McCoy (2nd round pick) and Mike Gillislee (14th round pick), considering available top RBs or Antonio Brown at the first pick.
  Responses:

  • Jason Moore: Suggests taking LaShawn McCoy to secure a reliable RB, allowing flexibility in later rounds.

    "I would take LaShawn McCoy for the 2nd and then... choose a great RB in the first round."
    — Jason Moore [46:18]

  • Mike Wright: Contrary to expectations, opts for Mike Gillislee in the 14th round, emphasizing the value of acquiring quality RBs later.

    "I'm taking Gillislee."
    — Mike Wright [46:20]

  • Andy Holloway: Recommends LaShawn McCoy for early reliability, especially if confident in his performance despite team changes.

    "I would take LeSean McCoy... favoring his confidence despite team switches."
    — Andy Holloway [46:33]

• Listener William from Memphis (Dynasty Trade Question):
  Question: Tevin Coleman and Will Fuller for Tyreek Hill and Smash Jackson.
  Responses:

  • Jason Moore: Favors Tyreek Hill and Smash Jackson for their immediate impact and secure roles.

    "I'll take the Hill and Smash Jackson side."
    — Jason Moore [48:27]

  • Mike Wright: Agrees with Jason, advocating for the immediate benefits of Hill and Jackson.

    "I'm taking Hill and Smash Jackson as well."
    — Mike Wright [48:39]

  • Andy Holloway: Supports the trade, anticipating deeper offensive schemes and the future potential of selected players.

    "I expect Devonta Freeman to get a monster contract soon."
    — Andy Holloway [48:47]

• Andy and Jason debate a final question about selecting between Mark Ingram and Adrian Peterson, with Andy ultimately favoring Ingram for his consistency and lower draft risk.

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Conclusion

The episode concludes with the hosts reiterating the importance of strategic drafting, especially in identifying undervalued players and potential bounce backs. They encourage listeners to utilize resources like their Ultimate Draft Kit for insightful draft strategies and remind fans to join the Foot Clan community for ongoing support and updates.

Final Notable Quote:

"Our job on this show is to give you information to make your decision."
— Jason Moore [43:07]

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Key Takeaways

• Favorite Offenses: Washington and Atlanta are top choices, offering high upside and valuable ADP options.
• Bounce Back Candidates: Sammy Watkins, Doug Martin, Jeremy Maclin, Ben Roethlisberger, and Adrian Peterson are highlighted for their potential to return to peak performance.
• Strategic Drafting: Emphasis on balancing high-upside picks with reliable performers, considering injury history and team dynamics.
• Listener Engagement: Thoughtful responses to mailbag questions provide practical advice tailored to various fantasy league configurations.

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

Hey, this is Al Robinson from the Jacksonville Jaguars and you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from the fantasyjocks.com studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

That's right, we're all back in the building.

[Mike Wright]

It's good to be back.

[Andy Holloway]

America.

[Jason Moore]

Mike is here.

[Mike Wright]

What's going on, everybody?

[Jason Moore]

Now, Mike, it's just like riding a bike, okay? Just get back on and fall off. You can do it.

[Mike Wright]

Full steam ahead, fellas. I'm not concerned in the slightest.

[Jason Moore]

Thursday, June 29th. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Andy, Mike and Jason back in the building. No J. Griz.

[Mike Wright]

He's foraging.

[Jason Moore]

He's foraging. But we're back and we have a great show for you today. Bounce Back players. We're each going to present to you our case for two Bounce Back players. So we'll have six of those to bring your way. We have a good quick question and we'll get into the Foot Clan mailbag as well. So we're very excited to get started here. So let's do that. Who is. This is a quick question today. Who is your favorite NFL offense for fantasy football?

[Mike Wright]

So to clarify, this is our favorite. This is not. We're saying this is the best. Get all of these guys. This is our favorite.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, just the ones that we find ourselves liking the players on.

[Mike Wright]

Right, sure. I'll jump in here first since I was gone on the last show.

[Andy Holloway]

We miss you.

[Jason Moore]

You just need to get your. Get a word in.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah. My favorite NFL offense for fantasy football, Washington. I like everything about them. I think they're a very high powered, very potent offense. And on top of that, I like the fact that you can get these guys later in drafts where you got. You have the Green Bay Packers. You got to spend a first or a second round pick to get Jordy a third to get Devonte Adams, which I like. All those guys. Rogers, Rod Rodgers. You have to pay up for everyone, though. Meanwhile, over in Washington, Kirk Cousins threw almost 5,000 yards last year. He's going to be a eighth and ninth round pick. We don't know who the top wide receiver option is but that's going to baked into the ADP where it's Raul Pryor. He's likely what, a fourth, probably a fourth round pick come draft time. But huge upside. Jameson Crowder, huge upside, huge upside. He's going to be 8th, 7th, 8th round pick. Josh Dockson, we don't know but huge upside with him as well. He's basically free.

[Jason Moore]

Jordan Reed, you got the bargain of the elite tight ends.

[Andy Holloway]

So let me ask you on the, on the Washington running backs right now in the eighth round they're both going basically almost next to each other. You can choose Rob Kelly, the incumbent, the starter looked good at the beginning of last year, looked terrible at the end of last year or your, your pain bot samanjay P. Ryan. You, you basically you're taking one of those guys and every draft that I've done I've got to the point where.

[Jason Moore]

I go which do I want?

[Andy Holloway]

Which do I want?

[Mike Wright]

I think if I'm on the clock right now I would take Rob Kelly because I think that he will be the starter to begin the year. My love for Samaj P. Ryan is well documented on this show but I still think that Rob Kelly played well enough that they will give him a chance. Samaj will eventually take over and be the two down back for that team. But if I'm drafting, I want the guy who's going to give me help right now and then whoever spends the draft pick on Samaj goes three weeks with him doing nothing, then either drops.

[Jason Moore]

Them off or I'll trade for him, get him cheap. Yeah, all right. I'm going to go with the, you know, you went with the late round ADP value team. I'm going glitz and glamour. I'm going. The Atlanta Falcons open the limo door and out walks Matt Ryan, Devonta Freeman and Julio Jones. You talk about the, the holy trinity of fantasy points on a team and you, you know I love an offense and in consideration was Washington. I do like them, New England obviously. But you have a potential number one wide receiver, a potential number one running back and then a potential, you know, we saw this, you know, top three type of quarterback and I am firmly in the camp that believes that the beat will go on for the Atlanta Falcons offense this year. And so I'll say my favorite fantasy offense is Atlanta. Taylor Gabriel is a nice sleeper pick, has the potential to, you know, Austin Hooper, you Never know. But those three, you know, Tevin Coleman, obviously, as well, but those three big guys. Yeah, they get my attention.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, obviously those two teams have a lot of fantasy, relevant assets. Make sense to be favorites, ironically enough. This is great. Why we're, you know, we have the three differing opinions here on the show because I see regression for both of those offenses this year.

[Jason Moore]

You do. You've been vocal about it. Incorrectly vocal about it.

[Andy Holloway]

And very, very well could be incorrect on that. My team that I'm going with, it's similar to yours, Mike, in the sense that I just think there's so many guys that I like where they're being drafted at. They're being underdrafted, and that's the Colts. Andy, you think who's being underdrafted besides Frank Gore? Oh, well, Frank Gore. I think Moncrief is being.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, all right.

[Jason Moore]

You're making argue that Andrew Luck is being underdraft.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what I was going to say. Andy thinks that Andrew Luck is being the only guy really going Moncrief at the value. Yeah, no, I said Moncrief. The only guy that's going at the value that's like you're already paying for him to succeed is Ty Hilton. Sure. I mean, even, even Doyle is a value right now.

[Mike Wright]

He does rule.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, I think Eric Swope is also a value if you're in a crazy deep league.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And he's got the Kamar Aiken. Come on.

[Mike Wright]

Andy has finally, finally been rising on Dante Moncrief. You told me in the office and.

[Jason Moore]

I was, it's true.

[Mike Wright]

I was very happy about it.

[Jason Moore]

And I want to. This is a good segue because I made a number of changes. Probably 20 to 30 players got moved around, not all of them dramatically, a couple spots here, there. Yesterday I made a few more changes to our rankings and Tyrod Taylor moved up. And a lot of the reaction on Twitter was what happened, what happened in Buffalo where Tyrod deserves to move from. You know, I think he was 22 and now he's 16 or something. Nothing happened. But what I want people to understand out there is that this is the time of year in which we're deep diving player to player. And you know, no, Macklin didn't go back to. Didn't go to Buffalo like we had hoped. But I was deep diving on Tyrod a little bit more and I looked at week to week consistency, actually pulled up the fantasy finish charts in the udk and I said, wow, you know, a little more impressed than I thought players shuffle around, they move around. We're establishing those values. And it would be intellectually stupid of us, on your behalf, to have our rankings permanent based on February or March or April when we put our first initial rankings out there. So there's more movement now that is not injury or hype related. Then there will be later when movement will happen, more dependent on, oh, man, he lost Sammy Watkins again or Jordy Nelson went down. So I'm going to take Aaron Rodgers down or whatever the case might be.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think it's actually more indicative of a good move. When you see someone change in our rankings without. I haven't heard any news on what's going on. That probably means we were diving deep on this player because this is what we spend our lives doing full time. And we realized that we were probably wrong. And so when you see that ranking adjusted as opposed to following a hype train, it's usually a really good move for us when the year comes around.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, it takes a few months sometimes with certain players for us to slough off our biases of how they ended the year. We make that joke about, you know, you got to be able to forget what they've done to you and move on. But if a player ended the year bad and then you get a chance to dig deep and look at the week to week, all of a sudden you're like, okay, I need to give Tyrod a little more respect than I was giving him. And the reality was Sammy Watkins does look a little bit better now.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, well, we'll certainly be talking about.

[Jason Moore]

Him very soon from a health standpoint. And so I felt a little, you know, it's like Martavis. I moved Martavis because.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, which is good.

[Jason Moore]

He hasn't been arrested in two months, so he's two more months under his belt.

[Mike Wright]

I just wanted to throw a shout out to our man. Mike Tags. Mike Tagler, Love tags. He just yet tweeted about Moncrief because I had brought him up, but in the last two years, he has seen 11 targets inside of the 10, which are those incredibly valuable.

[Jason Moore]

Juicy.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, very juicy. Of those targets, he has scored.

[Andy Holloway]

Nine times.

[Jason Moore]

Nine times. Nine times out of 11 targets.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

It's pretty efficient.

[Jason Moore]

Dear Andrew Luck. I mean, are you interested in throwing touchdowns this year?

[Mike Wright]

Those are unbelievable numbers. And for those, you're like, whoa, regression. That's over a couple years. This is what Moncrief is going to do. And if we can put together something between the twenties, just a little bit. Moncrief that's all I want. Just a little bit.

[Jason Moore]

And you're not extrapolating proportionately because I think I looked last year and if you had extrapolated what Moncrief had done and given him the Julio Jones targets, it equated to like 40 touchdowns. So we're saying, hey, he's been really good. If he's just a little bit good in the red zone, but plays the whole year, wow, what could he do? All right, follow us on Twitter at the ffballers. Check out our YouTube channel if you want to watch the show.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah, they know where to find YouTube. But not just saying football, saying, we've got a smart. You can subscribe over there too.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Notifications so you know when a new episode drops. Smart. Our fantasy community Is join the Foot.com Become a part of the Foot clan community. You can submit questions to the show on the website the fantasy footballers.com and we love to answer those and help you with your team. And we always appreciate your itunes reviews and subscribes over there on the podcast app. So. Oh, big highlight, guys. Before we get. We're gonna jump right in, by the way. We're jumping right into the bounce backs. We're going to give you some bounce back candidates. But before we do that, big announcement. We're going to three shows a week now. Tuesday, Thursday, as we've been doing, but a Saturday show is going to be dropping right into your pocket into your podcast app, the fantasy Footballers. One extra show per week in July. And then in case you weren't aware, we ramp it up in August for half a year. Yeah. From August through December, this show is five times a week. Six if you are a member of Join the Foot. Join the foot. So from what I understand, fantasy football is an entertaining and fun activity for you to spend your life on.

[Mike Wright]

Well said, well said.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's get into it.

[Mike Wright]

Hello, everybody.

[Jason Moore]

I am back. Ah, there's a classic. There's a classic. All right, Bounce back players. Well, Jason, summarize what a bounce back player is.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. A bounce back player is a guy who has performed in the past in fantasy. He has shown that he can be a quality important player for fantasy. But last year they underwhelmed. Whether that was they just stunk on the field. Maybe they had some injuries, maybe they had things not go their way. Now it's like, okay, is that the new norm or are those, are there those players where that was the outlier and we expect them to bounce back. And so we've got six guys here today we think are going to have good seasons. Here's the great thing about a bounce back player. There is no player ever who has a bounce back type of season, meaning they've done it before, who is not an incredibly important draft a value. Because the fact that they have to bounce back means that people are afraid they're not going to. Means that they had a crappy season last year. Those are the guys that year after year make such a difference for getting you to the championship.

[Jason Moore]

If you're right on them.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

Then it pays off in space.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I mean, and hearts and clubs.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think we're going to go six for six here.

[Jason Moore]

All right, Jason, why don't you kick it off? Who's, who's your bounce back candidate?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the first guy, because we just talked about him a second ago. It's Sammy Watkins. I am a believer that Sammy Watkins will bounce back. You might go, well, bounce back to what his best season was. You know, I think wide receiver, 17. But if you look at the career, here's what happened with Sammy Watkins In 2014, there was one of the best wide receiver draft classes, if not the best wide receiver draft class of all time. You had Mike Evans, Kelvin Benjamin, Odell Beckham Jr. Sammy Watkins was drafted over all of those. The Buffalo Bills traded up.

[Mike Wright]

They traded a first round pick to move a couple spots to get him.

[Andy Holloway]

To get him at the fourth pick overall because that's how good a player he is. He comes in his rookie year, almost gets 1,000 yards and six touchdowns, looks great, deals with some injuries, sophomore year's coming in injured, has a problem with his foot in the second half of that year. Oh, my goodness, he was unbelievable. If you take that second half, which was, I believe, nine games. He had 900 yards, seven touchdowns during that span. If he did that for the whole season, you're talking 1800 yards and 14.

[Mike Wright]

It's also impossible.

[Andy Holloway]

No. Well, I mean, yeah, but the point is his capability as a player from college has already been seen in the NFL. That's my point. He can beat guys bad. Matt Harmon's reception perception shows that he is a separator extraordinaire.

[Jason Moore]

He can beat them badly.

[Andy Holloway]

So now the issue has been last year he had the foot problem. He's already had a surgery on his foot. Okay. This is very common, not just in the NFL, but specific to NFL wide receivers. We said last year that there's worry with this injury warning, warning because that injury is one of the most common in the NFL for. For a repeat occurrence. And so we gave those warning signs and he struggled. You went into training camp and he wasn't there. He wasn't able to get there. He sucked last year because of this foot problem. He didn't want to have the second surgery, but in January, he had the second surgery. Here's. I'm giving the unwarning sign.

[Mike Wright]

What would be unwarning?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the green light, the go symbol.

[Mike Wright]

Giving an unwarning.

[Andy Holloway]

Unwarning sign.

[Mike Wright]

A very merry unbirthday to you.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, we've got an unwarning.

[Andy Holloway]

The unwarning signs abound with Sammy Watkins. Here's why. The repeat surgery, which last year we were basically calling for, that is very common, might happen. But when that surgery gets repeated, the wide receivers that have had that in the NFL, they come back and they succeed. Repeat foot surgeries have happened with this injury with Julio Jones. Anybody scared to draft Julio Sometimes? Sure, but I mean, where are you drafting?

[Mike Wright]

But no, I'll still take him.

[Andy Holloway]

Emmanuel Sanders, DEZ Bryant, Julian Edelman. These guys have had to get that repeat surgery and then the problem's fixed. Now he was supposed to maybe be ready for training camp. And in training camp, they're going to bring him along slowly. Okay. It's not being reported that he's ahead of schedule. He is in OTAs. He was running first team. Okay. So this isn't reports. This is what you see.

[Jason Moore]

He's the only wide receiver on the roster.

[Andy Holloway]

That's another benefit. Right? You got Robert woods gone.

[Mike Wright]

Marquis Goodwin.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he's gone. Yeah. They brought in a rookie in, Zay Jones who I like. They've got the efficient Tyrod Taylor who, when we dove deeper this last year for fantasy football, he's great. I think Sammy Watkins has the type of ability that he could be top five even on this volume team. I am saying his foot will not be the injury this year. If he is re injured. I think he is ready to have a full, you know, off. Not a full offseason program since he was, you know, had surgery in January, but from training camp on, I love him. And right now he's going in the fourth round. He's the, you know, 19th wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

Off the Sammy Watkins or Trout Pryor.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, Sammy Watkins all day for me.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

I think. And pry higher in my. In my rankings. But Watkins is going to have to move up.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so cool. Bounce back candidate Sammy Watkins. The unwarning has been distributed. Mike, who is your bounce back candidate for 2017.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to talk about another guy who had a foot problem. Jason talked about him. That is DEZ Bryant. It was an interesting year.

[Jason Moore]

Thought you were talking about Rex Ryan for a second.

[Mike Wright]

Rex Ryan. Oh, come on.

[Jason Moore]

Just move on. You're supposed to just proceed. It took me a second to proceed.

[Mike Wright]

It's not a problem. He has.

[Jason Moore]

Shush. Move on.

[Andy Holloway]

So Desbrin, that might be a problem. We make no judgment.

[Mike Wright]

Des Bryant. Yeah, exactly. Des Bryant. Interesting year. Thought it was going to be Tony Romo, an elite level quarterback, but instead you get stuck with Dak Prescott which turned out to be pretty amazing for that team. However, you know, he was still. Dak was still rookie, still learning the game. And Dez Bryant also dealt with some injuries. He missed three games. He missed weeks four through six last year. However, between weeks two and 15. Yes, those, those three games, he missed 90 targets, 49 receptions, almost 800 yards and eight touchdowns. He also threw a touchdown, by the way. So you know that he's got that up his sleeve. Just, just in case that has to be called upon. Here's the thing about that. His pace for the season was 131 targets. If he had, if he had played all 16 games. 131 targets. You think, well, that's, that's pretty low. That's, you know, it's not 15, but that's like 15 to 17 range in targets. That's not outrageously high. What you're thinking of a wide receiver one. I want top five.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

If you're talking top five. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

But DEZ is not a high volume guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Never has been.

[Mike Wright]

In 2014 he was the wide receiver 4 on 136 targets. In 2012. The wide receiver 3 on 138 targets.

[Jason Moore]

He's much more how I view prior by the way, because the real. You have to be realistic with target counts there. So it's a good.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

It's a good.

[Mike Wright]

And so his, his actual pace of production would have been 71 receptions, about 1150 yards and 12 touchdowns. If you extrapolate everything out, and that's not to mention the playoff game, he was 9 for 132 with two touchdowns. And I know that the packers secondary is not terrifying to anybody, but it's just the fact that DEZ Bryant is very, very good. Please do not forget this. The last couple years have been rough because he's gotten hurt.

[Jason Moore]

Let me, let me ask you a question. How much do you read into the fact that. I think it was Scott Barrett who talked about DEZ Bryant being one of the more DB dependent wide receivers. As in when he faces tough competition, his numbers go down. He's in a division where he has some tough, difficult matchups twice a year. Could that hold the bounce back up in your mind?

[Mike Wright]

It could, but I don't.

[Jason Moore]

Josh Norman being one of them.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Who has shut him down.

[Mike Wright]

I don't want Des as my wide receiver one.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

But he's going in the back of the second. A wide receiver. Ninth wide receiver off the board. But he's already shown you that he can be a top five guy. Dak Prescott, in my opinion, has shown he's going to be a great quarterback. There could be some regression now that teams like have an entire offseason. Let's figure out how to beat Dak. But I think that Dak Prescott is just good. And that offensive line in that running game creates a situation where DEZ Bryant can thrive and he. He will be your two. You don't need him to give you.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, like I moved. I moved as up too. But I worry about the ADP rising where we just talked about bounce backs being values. It may. If it keeps rising, it may go beyond, but it probably won't move much.

[Mike Wright]

I think we'll stay in the back.

[Andy Holloway]

I do think this though. If he's in the back of the second, you probably are having him as your wide receiver one because you had an early first round pick.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe you went with one of those.

[Jason Moore]

No RB or something. Right. All right. Going to move on. I'll give you my bounce back candidate.

[Mike Wright]

Before you do that, I'm calling my wide receiver one and a half.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Mike Wright]

Because at the back of the second you're going to get.

[Andy Holloway]

You're going to get another guy just the same.

[Mike Wright]

Another one and a half. And then we have a wide receiver one and a two.

[Andy Holloway]

There you go.

[Mike Wright]

We're good.

[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Have a little Peekski. All right, moving on. I'm going to give you my bounce back candidate and I really am going to. I enjoy this because I know it's going to be a challenge to convince you both that you should buy in. Good luck on Doug Martin. Oh, as a bounce back, I'm open.

[Andy Holloway]

My ears are open and I'm going.

[Jason Moore]

To make my case. And here, here's where it begins. And Doug Martin, you know, part of this is he's being drafted in the back of the fourth round. Okay. And we understand. Let's put it out there. He's going to miss three games.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Maximum of. So, yeah, I'm trying to do the math.

[Jason Moore]

16 minus 3. You can't do 16 minus thinking.

[Mike Wright]

I'm like, well, I got to factor in the 17th and then the playoffs.

[Andy Holloway]

Playoffs usually start in week. What 14.

[Jason Moore]

You play 16 games. I get what you're saying, though.

[Andy Holloway]

You don't make the playoffs.

[Jason Moore]

So here's the funny thing. And we talk about the consistency of Doug Martin and the funny thing about not playing football, which has been part of his career, is that you don't score touchdowns and you do not gain yards when you do not play football. So that's step one that I want to.

[Mike Wright]

My man, Keenan Allen. Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

So we hear a lot about the inconsistency about Doug Martin's career. We talked yesterday on the or two days ago on the show, we talked about, okay, he's either had a 400 yard season or a 1400 yard season. He's done the 1400 two different times in 2012 and 2016. 15. But it's been due to health. That's the real situation for Doug Martin. He played 16 games in 2012. He had 1400 yards, played 16 in 2015, he had 1400 yards in between years, torn labrum, had surgery, missed five games with ankle and knee injuries. And then he missed six games with a hamstring strain. And so here's what's built into the Doug Martin bounce back. For me, you have fear and you have doubt about Doug Martin and that is reflected in his adp, his average draft position. You have the suspension that's built into his adp. Maybe I think both of you would think it needs to be more built into it.

[Mike Wright]

I'm actually further back. I'd be shocked that he's a fourth round pick.

[Jason Moore]

Here's the thing, if he's healthy, I believe he'll bounce back. And that's what it comes down to. And the thing about Martin is this. He is very, very high upside. He's top five running back upside. If the reins are handed back to him. And there's 100% risk. I mean, there is risk with Doug Martin on, but I believe it's health. I don't believe it's talent. And here's what I know about that offense. We all like Tampa's offense, do we not?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Do not think that they're very. They're a potent offense.

[Andy Holloway]

I think they're pretty good. Their offensive line is not the. Sure, not that great.

[Jason Moore]

We, we already know though, if you look at the backfield in Tampa, we've heard all the buzz about Doug Martin and he's been one of the players where actually when the preseason Buzz was there two years ago, it was 100% spot on. We watched him in the preseason. We said, whoa, he looks a little different. Yeah, that buzz is back with him. We saw what Charles Sims was as a lead back. He wasn't a lead back. That's done. I know Jaquiz Rogers had a very, very good year.

[Mike Wright]

He was better than Martin.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, he was better than Martin. Listen, Listen, though. Just 120 carries, okay? 120 carries for Dequiz Rogers. His career average yards per carry is 3.8. And if you take out last year, the five previous years combined, his career average is 3.6. Martin isn't even in that. I mean, he's in a different stratosphere. He's a, you know, a career 4.2 runner. In his healthy years, he's a 4.7 runner. And Jeremy McNichols, the rookie's not taking the job. So for me, you look at the draft, you guys complain about ADP. Well, here's ADP. You want Doug Martin, top five upside, or you want C.J. anderson or LeGarrett Blunt or Ty Montgomery or Carlos Hyde? And I personally am taking Doug Martin over all four of those players. So that's my case for the Doug Martin bounce back. If he's healthy, I believe he will be a frontline starting fantasy wide receiver. And so let's say I've spent my first three picks elsewhere and I want to grab an upside guy like Martin and I want to pair him with either Jaquiz later to really be in protective mode with Doug Martin because you can get Jacquiz late, or Terrence west, who will start the beginning of the year and give you some production. Carlos Hyde, I don't know if he's a guy that he's not late enough to be that fill in. But that's my case for Doug Martin is the bounce back. I know some of you out there, you're going to say, hey, I don't want to touch him. That's fine. You don't want to touch him. I understand that. But I think he can be a.

[Andy Holloway]

Top five back having a top five upside, which is 100% legitimate. With Doug Martin, nobody could argue against the upside capabilities he's done. It does prove to be valuable. If he comes back and he's. That you're not going to have C.J.

[Jason Moore]

Anderson, top five upside. Legarette Blunt, I think C.J.

[Andy Holloway]

Anderson, top, to me, upside.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Okay, that's fair. Top 10 for sure.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, but Blunt Montgomery.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no. But what I was going to say.

[Jason Moore]

Is, but they're going to play the first three weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

What I was going to say about that, though, is when you name those players. Now I realize all the more why Doug Martin, you know, you think, oh, maybe he should be in the sixth, seventh, eighth. Now I realize why he's.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, why he's in the fourth.

[Andy Holloway]

Because there's just garbage at the. Those are your fourth round running backs, people. And this is why there's players with.

[Jason Moore]

A lot of warts and worry.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Question mark.

[Andy Holloway]

And so, I mean, for me, you know, the whole idea of grabbing the, you know, not getting a running back early, it just, it just so that.

[Jason Moore]

That'S the lesson you got out of my argument was I want to not draft any of these five guys if I can avoid it. So. All right, let's move on. Jason, give us your second bounce back candidate for today's show.

[Andy Holloway]

So I went the. The double wide receiver route today. My other bounce back is a guy that I argued against you on.

[Jason Moore]

This is so weird, man.

[Andy Holloway]

That I'm on.

[Jason Moore]

This is like my love of Moncrief this year. I know, changes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. From year to year, things change. And that's the whole point of a bounce back player. Jeremy Macklin, the dirty cake himself, who is now a delicious vanilla cream pie.

[Mike Wright]

He's a tasty cake.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, tasty cake.

[Jason Moore]

That's smart. That was well done. So I wish I believed you.

[Andy Holloway]

It's unbelievable to me that you don't buy into Jeremy Macklin since the reason why you argued for Jeremy Macklin in Kansas City, if I remember correctly, is that he is a good wide receiver. Right?

[Jason Moore]

That was a while ago.

[Andy Holloway]

That was three years ago.

[Jason Moore]

You got it.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no, no. Three years ago, he's a top 10 wide receiver in Philadelphia. So then two years ago when he went to Kansas City, I was saying, look, this offense cannot support a wide receiver. That's why I didn't like him. He was a top 15 wide receiver in Kansas City. That was two years ago. Then last year he got injured.

[Jason Moore]

44 for 536 and two touchdowns. Limited work.

[Andy Holloway]

He was worthless. Limited work.

[Jason Moore]

Clearly Andy determined he was worthless as well.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, yeah, I mean that. Well, they're cap for the cost. Their cap situation is nightmarish for Kansas City. So now you have Jeremy Macklin, a guy who two out of the last three years has been a top 15 wide receiver on two different teams, one of which was Aaron Rodgers. Stink fest. No production for wide receivers historically. Now he goes to Joe Flacco, who can throw the routes that he's good at. Here's a quote from Matt Harmon on the out of the reception perception About Macklin's time with the Kansas City Chiefs. He said Macklin, Harmon is a hack.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, that Harmon. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Macklin's success rates on the, on the, out the nine, the flat and curl are some of the best recorded this year. If anything, Macklin's assignment in the.

[Jason Moore]

When was that?

[Andy Holloway]

That's in this year's ultimate draft game.

[Jason Moore]

No, I mean, but what. This is based on the film from last year.

[Andy Holloway]

From last year? Yeah. If anything, Macklin's assignment in the Chiefs offense somewhat restricts what he can do vertically. Joe Flacco can take advantage of that. You've got a wide receiver who's 29 years old. This is not all, you know, 31, 32. Now you're starting to say this is an old wide receiver. A 29 year old who's been a top 15 wide receiver for two different teams two of the last three years, who's now going to a team where Joe Flacco's number one target has always been on pace for 130 plus targets.

[Mike Wright]

Going to say if he doesn't get 120 targets, I'll be blown away. I'll be shocked.

[Andy Holloway]

So Macklin, to me right now, is being drafted, you know, in the, in the ninth. He's risen now that he's gone to Baltimore. But what's crazy is when I look at the expert consensus rankings of people out there, he's the wide receiver, 45.

[Jason Moore]

Want to know why?

[Andy Holloway]

Because they're making a mistake. Yeah, I already know why.

[Jason Moore]

It's possible. But the reason why is because everybody. I don't have any problem with any of the compelling arguments you just made. If you want to say that he's the one. I am not willing to hand Jeremy Macklin the lonesome one role on that team with Wallace and Perryman and Woodhead, who I believe would head will probably lead the team in receiving yards.

[Mike Wright]

So that's a hot take.

[Jason Moore]

If he was the one, there's no.

[Andy Holloway]

Way he could lead them in receiving yards, right?

[Jason Moore]

No, I believe he could.

[Andy Holloway]

What?

[Jason Moore]

I believe he could. I believe the leading receiver on that team due to distribution, could have 900 yards.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, so you.

[Mike Wright]

That's a high. I mean, you must have Danny Woodhead very high.

[Andy Holloway]

You must have Macklin in like the 70s.

[Jason Moore]

No, because I can give him 850 yards, which is what I, and all the consensus experts that you're talking about have done.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, well, here, this is good news, Foot Clan, because what this means is Macklin is going to stay where he's been. I mean, I've been doing live drafts.

[Jason Moore]

But this sucks to have to talk about Macklin.

[Andy Holloway]

I've been doing live drafts right now where the news is, you know, it's not super fresh. Macklin is still going draft after draft in the ninth round, and I think he's pretty much a locked and loaded wide receiver, too. I'm not saying he bounces back to a top 10 wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

I don't see that that's going back.

[Andy Holloway]

He's going to be a wide receiver, too, this year, and he's being drafted as a wide receiver four or five late in drafts. He's one of my favorite guys, so I think he bounces back. His talent has gone nowhere. He's a great wide receiver and in a much better situation.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

With a chip on his shoulder. Give me a boot.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. Stay healthy, Jeremy.

[Mike Wright]

I like it. I'm with Jeremy Macklin on the team Mac team Mac attack.

[Jason Moore]

I can't believe this.

[Andy Holloway]

I know. That's so funny.

[Jason Moore]

We've Twilight Zone.

[Andy Holloway]

We were.

[Jason Moore]

If I had a Twilight Zone drop, I'd play it right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You just chose him so that I'd have to be depressed the rest of the afternoon.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to jump in here with a guy that I am calling for a bounce back, but this has to come with a great warning. A great warning, because I'm talking about.

[Jason Moore]

Not an unwarning, but a great.

[Mike Wright]

This is a big red flag warning, and that's big Ben Roethlisberger. I think that there is a massive bounce back coming for him. However, before I get into that, I just want to throw it out. He's still being drafted as the quarterback nine. Which. The bounce back has to be pretty extreme.

[Jason Moore]

What did he finish last year?

[Mike Wright]

I don't.

[Andy Holloway]

17 or something?

[Jason Moore]

18 maybe?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I don't have it in front of me, but it wasn't great. So. But the way that people are drafting with him, they're kind of agreeing that the bounce back is here. But the.

[Jason Moore]

A lot of.

[Mike Wright]

A lot of experts are not as high on Big Ben as I am.

[Andy Holloway]

18.

[Mike Wright]

So here's what happened with Big Ben. In 2013, he was the quarterback 11, he was a QB1. 2014, he was a quarterback 5. That's called the Martavis Bryant jump. And Martavis Bryant was the wide receiver 20 in points per game through championship weekend. In 2015, Big Ben only played 12 games, but his pace was over 5,000 yards, almost 30 touchdowns. And in that time, Martavis Bryant, through championship week, was the wide receiver 13 in points per game. Of course, we've never, we haven't seen the full Martevis Bryant season yet, but I think that we're going to see it this year. Now, 2016, that's when you saw things kind of fall apart. The Big Ben only played 14 games. Again, that's also another giant red flag with Big Ben is the health. But what I want to say is I think he does bounce back. He does bounce back. So if you can see him falling in drafts, you know, that's why I want to bring this up is you could be in a league where people are like, I'm writing off Big Ben and all of a sudden Big Ben is dropping to the 10th in your home league. I'm fine. I'm great drafting Big Ben right there. He is a great quarterback to have in best ball.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's what I was going to bring up. I think he is because in a home league it's really tough if he's in the 10th. So what, you can cut him, you can stream him, you do whatever. But in best ball, he's great because his monster games are humongous.

[Mike Wright]

And, and this is also my call in here. Buy Martavis Bryant. That's what I'm, I am pushing this narrative, buy Martavis Bryant while you can, because I think it's going to be impossible to buy him after a couple weeks of this season. And just to go along with, with the warnings, I know there's a lot of warnings here for a guy I'm calling a bounce back, but he's just going too early in drafts. He's ahead of Kirk Cousins, he's had a Dak Prescott. So I just want to say if he is falling in your draft, draft him well.

[Jason Moore]

And to your defense, saying Big Ben's going to bounce back doesn't have to speak to ADP value at all.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

You're just saying that. Maybe you're just giving validation to the people drafting him at QB9 by saying you believe he's going to bounce back. I mean, it doesn't have to be a draft day value, a draft day value to be a bounce back. And so I think you've made a compelling case. And Big Ben at least has done it before. I mean, he had back to back years where I believe he finished what, 11 and 5. 11 and 5. So. And we've seen him have those weeks even in his bad years where he has, you know, two, five touchdowns weeks. Here's my last bounce back. We'll conclude this. Do some mailbag. Probably have to sell you on this guy as well. But look, Adrian Peterson is my second bounce back candidate. And so the first question I have to you is, you know, because I hear, oh, he's done, he's done, he's done. And Jason, he makes the comparison to Arian Foster.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I'm going too soon.

[Jason Moore]

Well, and that's why I'm preemptively striking. Look, is 37 carries split across two parts of the season enough to say Adrian Peterson's done? Because that's what he had last year, 37 carries. And yes, the yards per carry was pitiful. We know the offensive line was pitiful. We know he got injured. But that's what you have to figure out as a fantasy owner. You have to decide, is 37 enough to tell you that he's done? And if he's not done, if he's not Arian Foster, I think he's a student and I think he's a value. He's never played a full season and not been in RB1. That's never happened in his career. So we have not hit that point yet where he's played a full season and not been in RB1. And so the question is, is he done? He's 32 years old.

[Mike Wright]

That's old.

[Jason Moore]

2400 career carries. But you could make an argument that the wear and tear. He had a full year off. He's had a year off with injury before. You could say he's more in the 30 range as a runner. Plus, we all, I think, are willing to admit Adrian Peterson's a freak.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, there is no one else in the NFL that you have a right to compare Emmett Smith or Curtis Martin to. But I think it's in the realm of completely fair to say that about Adrian Peterson. Curtis Martin ran for 1700 yards when he was 31 years old. And so I put him in that free category. And the last piece of the bounce back puzzle for me, going beyond, you know, you hear camp and they love him. They say he looks amazing. Is the team he joined okay? And the coach, he's playing for number one in the league in yards last year. This is New Orleans. Right. But let's, let's go back. Let's look at the rushing yards last three years. I mean, you might as well print the same numbers every year in terms of what they do on the ground. Touchdown totals for the team, rushing touchdowns, 15, 14, 14. So now you have to ask, where do those go?

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

They have 15, 14, 14. How does that split with Ingram? You know, the rushing totals have been consistent for that roster. How do you split 1700 rushing yards on the ground amongst Ingram and Peterson? And 15 touchdowns. So for me I'm going with the hall of Famer. I'm splitting those in his direction. He's a double digit touchdown possibility guy in that kind of an offense. With the way, with the oddities from the head coach when it came to Tim Hightower and the weird things he's done with Ingram.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, he hates Mark Ingram. I mean it's, that's, that's, that's on the record.

[Jason Moore]

Ingram might have the third down job. I mean I'm not willing to just give it to Kamara as a rookie. It could be first and second down, Adrian Peterson, third down, a mix of Ingram and Kamara and then Ingram spells ap. That's how I'm stating it. I have AP higher than Ingram and I believe he's a bounce back candidate as well. And I, I just think he's a freak and he. Look, if you dropped him on Cleveland as a free agent. Well, actually that would have been pretty good. That would have been pretty good.

[Mike Wright]

That's a nice line.

[Jason Moore]

That was my default line. But if you. Sure, yeah. If you dropped him in on the jets or even on a team like you know, that just doesn't have the kind of offensive prowess that New Orleans does, I might have more hesitation, but I think he's gonna have the opportunity. So if he pay. If the first few weeks go well for Adrian Peterson, unlike Arian Foster last year.

[Andy Holloway]

Didn't the first week go well for Arian Foster?

[Jason Moore]

Sort of. He scored, but I don't even think his yards per carry were very good. But yeah, at 37 carries, you're not, you're not ending the career of Adrian Peterson on 37 carries.

[Andy Holloway]

It's always difficult to argue against Adrian Peterson, the player. You're usually going to lose that argument because he has proven it over and over. People are saying he was too old and then he had the too injured to come back. And then 2015, he was the second best running back. Your point is well taken. I believe that he is being overdrafted. I don't think he is at 32 years old coming off of the injury previously seen in a super small sample just not being that good. I don't believe he is going to show that he's still the Adrian Peterson. It's just hard for me to believe what I do think. And this was what, you know, you alluded to a minute ago. It dawned on me last year. I was like you know, last year Jay Ajayi, you know, who is a good running back, got kicked to the curb because Arian Foster came to town. The vet, the vet who had been so good for so long and every report out of camp was just Arian Foster turning heads. Arian Foster is the man. Aaron Foster is going to take over and he skyrocketed and Jay Ajayi plummeted. And if you look at like what's happening to the ADPs, it just reminds me so much. I, if Aaron, if Adrian Peterson is who he's been in his career on the Saints, he's going to be great. I'm not calling for that, but I do think Mark Ingram, who is continuing to plummet, is down in the eighth round, is a great eighth running back. Yeah, he's down in the eighth. Simple running back.

[Jason Moore]

And I'll take the ADP out because I already know the answer. But simple question for you. Let's say you paid the same cost for Ingram and Peterson. Who do you think has the better fantasy year?

[Andy Holloway]

I have Mark Ingram ahead in my rankings right now and I, I certainly think he'll have a better season.

[Mike Wright]

I believe that. I also have Mark Ingram ahead a little bit.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

And I do.

[Jason Moore]

And hey, take it for what you will. Our job on this show is to give you information to make your decision. So if you buy into, you know, any of these bounce back candidates, maybe it helps you in your draft. Certainly you should buy into mine.

[Mike Wright]

I would. Between your two guys, we're both fourth round guys.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, they are 100%.

[Mike Wright]

I would go. Adrian Peterson in this situation, not just the three games but of the upside, that is Peterson on one of the highest scoring teams in the league.

[Jason Moore]

All day you would go?

[Mike Wright]

I would.

[Jason Moore]

All day, absolutely. All right, we're going to get into the mailbag, answer some listener questions.

[Andy Holloway]

Mailbag.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's right. If you have a question, you can go to the website thefantasyfootballers.com, click the submit a question button. You can also dial our voicemail hotline, 302464 TFFB. Keep those short and to the point and we'll get them on the show and we'll answer them and try to help you out. So let's look here at Brandon in Phoenix.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, bonjour.

[Jason Moore]

Wait, no, stop. In a vacuum, who do you take with a seventh round pick in a half point per reception league? Do you take Amir Abdullah, Willie Snead or Dante Moncrief? 7th round pick.

[Andy Holloway]

So usually this comes down to Roster construction. So I like the way that he took that answer away from us and said, it can't be. Who do I need? The consistent guy. The high upside. Just in a vacuum.

[Jason Moore]

Well, in a vacuum, in that case, you're just pretty much saying, hey, who's.

[Andy Holloway]

Your only the best player? And if I had to bet on one, I would bet on Willie Snead this year. I just think his. I bet on volume. That's usually where I go. And while Dante Moncrief, I believe, has a much higher ceiling than Willie Snead because of touchdowns, which is, you know, always what ends up with those high upside guys. I'm going to bet on volume.

[Jason Moore]

So I would take Snead and I'll probably. I'm going to lean Abdullah here.

[Mike Wright]

I take Amir Abdullah.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. A half point league. I'll. I think he'll have some volume there in the passing game. And I'll take the running back.

[Mike Wright]

So if Amir Abdullah plays 16, he's a running back too, at the worst.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, that's probably true.

[Jason Moore]

If I go to astronaut school, I get to be an astronaut.

[Mike Wright]

But no, that's not going to astronaut school. Yeah. Amir Abdul is playing 16 games. You heard it here first, folks.

[Jason Moore]

Put it on the bar. All right. Luke in St. Louis. My league is a half point per assumption. 10 team league. Each team keeps one player. I have the first pick in the draft. Who should I keep? LaShawn McCoy for a second round pick.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Mike Gillisle for a 14th round pick. It looks like the top three RB are available for him to draft. Or Antonio Brown with that first pick. So he has all of those available. So what would you do with the pick? Oh, man, it's not hard for me. I would take LaShawn McCoy for the two and then that would free me up to take a great running back in the first round. Or if I want the wide receiver combo, I got Antonio Brown.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not. I'm taking Gilly.

[Jason Moore]

Are you? That is shocking to me.

[Mike Wright]

It's not.

[Andy Holloway]

I have.

[Jason Moore]

Every time we do these questions, you always take the earlier guy. And now you have one of your favorite players in Lashawn McCoy. Yeah. It just speaks to your confidence despite him switching teams.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, it's the 14th round. I mean, this isn't.

[Jason Moore]

That's a free player.

[Mike Wright]

This isn't the sixth round. He's completely free. And you get to grab David Johnson and company.

[Jason Moore]

Where do you stand on this?

[Mike Wright]

And then have your second round pick. And clearly there are good players still available in this Draft.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, usually, you know, I do lean on the go with your stud guys and that would be draft one of those top three studs as you're planning on with your first round and take LeSean McCoy. However, I think that Mike Gillislee in the 14th and because you're giving up a second round pick, you have to wait, you have to weigh in. Okay, who could you get? Because Shady in the second is great. Yeah, I would love to get Shady in the second, but let's say you don't get Shady in the second. Who are you going to get with that second round pick? Keep in mind the keepers here, you know, they cost for the round value. So you're really just getting a second rounder. And if that ends up being a Des Bryant, I would rather have DEZ Bryant and David Johnson, David Johnson and Mike Gillislee than just a Shady. And you know, dj, it just comes.

[Jason Moore]

Down to your confidence level in Gillisley.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Because otherwise you're not trading, you know, your Des Bryant for your LaShawn McCoy. So if you have a decent level of confidence in Gillislee, then I understand it. I would take the student. All right, Dynasty trade question from William in Memphis. He said, which side wins this trade? All right. Tevin Coleman. Tevin Coleman and Will Fuller for Tyreek Hill and Smash Jackson. So Paul.

[Mike Wright]

That's Paul Perkins, for those who are.

[Jason Moore]

Not aware of his greatest nickname, he rebranded Tevin Coleman and Will Fuller.

[Mike Wright]

Wow.

[Jason Moore]

For Tyree Kill and Smash Jackson.

[Andy Holloway]

No one want it going away. I mean, this is a fair trade. I think I could make arguments for both sides.

[Jason Moore]

I do and I'll take. I feel like the Hill and Jackson side is more of a bird in the hand side. You have a starting job for Paul Perkins in the opportunity. And you know what Tyreek Hill has in terms of a lockdown job. Coleman and Fuller you might be waiting on. So I'm going to take the Hill, Samash Jackson side.

[Mike Wright]

Smash. I'm taking Hill and Smash Jackson as well.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, me as well. I expect Devonta Freeman to get a monster contract here soon. So the future of Tevin Coleman, you know, maybe he'll still stick around, but it's not one of those like, ooh, in a year or two, Tevin Coleman's going to take over. I don't think that's going to happen. And Tyreek Hill, his future says he's going away from Alex Smith, the Dinkin Dunk to maybe a guy who can, you know, explode down the field. With him you can explore. We're going with that.

[Jason Moore]

He works to get down the field. All right, Andy in green.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Last question here. I can keep two players in a 14 team point per reception league. Mike Evans is the no brainer. But who would you pick between Melvin Gordon and Michael Thomas? That's an easy one for me. It's Melvin, me as well.

[Andy Holloway]

Mevin Gordon.

[Jason Moore]

Mevin.

[Andy Holloway]

To me, there are eight, maybe nine if you include Jordan Howard, running backs that are presumably. I mean, we're going to be wrong. Some of them will bust. But presumably those locked and loaded three down type of back or at least enough production to say you're going to be a stud if you play 16 games. Melvin Gordon is one of those players to me. If you've already got Mike Evans, I'm going to. I'm going to pair them up.

[Mike Wright]

Thomas and a PPR.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, Thomas should be, you know, 90 receptions.

[Jason Moore]

You still need running backs.

[Mike Wright]

No, I get it. But it's a PPR I can find. I can draft Danny Woodhead, who is apparently going to lead the Ravens in receiving yards. I can get that RB one in the eighth round.

[Jason Moore]

Did I say he would or he could?

[Andy Holloway]

You said he would. I thought we're going to have to check the tape.

[Mike Wright]

We'll have to check the tape.

[Jason Moore]

No, we don't need to check the tape because I'm going to go with could.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, that's still.

[Jason Moore]

All right, fair.

[Mike Wright]

But the fact that those guys exist and it's ppr, they still get that bump even if they're sure if they're catching four passes for 50 yards. I mean, that's a highly usable running back. And to have Thomas and Evans.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going.

[Mike Wright]

Gordon, I would lean with. I'm going to go. I'm going to take Michael Thomas.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm still going to go.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

Two. Two. If it's a two, two flex. Two running backs, two wide receivers. Flex. I'm going Melvin Gordon. If it's three wide receivers. Look, then maybe you could talk me.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's right. And hey, like I said before, next week we're going to three shows a week which means fantasy football time. I mean it's even more close. It's even more upon us. So thank you very much for listening, supporting the podcast. We will be back next Tuesday. See you later. Yep.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Goodbye. See ya.

[Andy Holloway]

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