
Fantasy Football Podcast for May 11th, 2017. On today's show, Jason makes his return as he, Andy, and Mike dive into a PPR Mock Draft. Hear the guys go through each pick using tier-based drafting, discussing the reasoning behind each choice. How early wil
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Andy Holloway
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Mike Wright
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Jason Moore
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Jason Moore
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Andy Holloway
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Mike Wright
Hi.
Andy Holloway
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Jason Moore
Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from the fantasyjocks.com studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.
Andy Holloway
Jason is back in the building.
Jason Moore
I know. Everyone's gotta be so upset. The bear. The bear that's taking over the world and taking over Twitter.
Andy Holloway
We called it the upgrade.
Jason Moore
Yeah. Well, I mean, certainly. No. No. Botching of the English language came from the Jay Grizz.
Andy Holloway
No. Perfect bear grammar. 100% perfect grammar. We're back. The fantasy footballers, Andy, Mike and Jason. No, not at J. Griz.
Mike Wright
The Grizz ffl.
Andy Holloway
The Twitter account that was spawned from Jason being replaced by a full size grizzly bear. Hardboard cutout.
Jason Moore
I now have two fake accounts spawned after me. Gotta get that number. Just continue to rise.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I like it. Parody accounts for Jason.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
All right, let's. Let's talk about what we're doing on the show today. It's Thursday, May 11th, and we're doing a PPR mock draft.
Jason Moore
Whoo.
Andy Holloway
Everything sound normal to you?
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Okay, that's good.
Mike Wright
My woo was a little bit intense, but it's because I'm very excited for tomorrow.
Andy Holloway
Sounds strange to me. I feel like I'm in a larger room. Not the case.
Mike Wright
No. Are you good?
Andy Holloway
Brooke Brooks, Everything sounds good to you?
Mike Wright
Yeah, I'm good. All right.
Andy Holloway
All right. We have a PPR mock draft on the show today. These are always a blast. And we're going to go through. I think we're picking from the 8th spot in a 12 team PPR mod. 2 running backs, 2 wide receivers, a flex quarterback. I guess we're going to draft a kicker.
Jason Moore
Yeah. This is a maybe don't get.
Andy Holloway
That's not drafting a kicker.
Jason Moore
Correct. Yeah. And you know, this is a really important time of year to do mock drafts because what you're going to see now that the rookies have kind of started to establish themselves, you get to see where they will rise to and get the feel for when that rise stops. Because right now in most mock drafts, you're probably going to be getting rookies still. If you're going by kind of average draft position on a little bit cheaper than they will come come draft day. You know, as. As they are more commonly drafted in ADPs. So watch the rise of rookies and don't overreact.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, we do mock drafts, frequently mock draft shows, just to give you a gauge of where everybody's moving around. That'll give you an idea of value as you approach yours. So quick question, guys. What team, what NFL team could, could be a surprise from a fantasy football perspective for the 2017 season? So where you don't get to throw out Atlanta or Green Bay or New England, the teams that were already stalwarts in terms of fantasy points. Who's your surprise? Or a team that could surprise in.
Mike Wright
2017 for my surprise pick, you might have to pick up. What's that, Antonia? Medicine Drama. Me. You might need to run to the store, take a couple drama meets, pause the show and come back because I am throwing out a terrible New York Jets.
Jason Moore
Yeah, you got to convince me on this one because when. Right. You know, a couple minutes ago I was like, hey, hey, who's yours? And you said that. And I was like, no, seriously?
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Mike Wright
Here's, here's the deal why I'm saying the jets because I think there could be multiple pieces of later round guys you can get. There's a, there's a report here on Blau Powell, Blau Plow, a personal favorite of the show from ESPN that they think at ESPN they're projecting he may be the lead back and we saw what he can do as the lead back. Quincy Nunois showed him, showed on the field that he is an actually a decent player. Meanwhile, in the shadows, you have Eric Decker, who the world has forgotten about. He may or may not be on the team in this project. I'm saying that he certainly is on the team and you have a bad defense. And then you got Josh McCown who certainly brings fantasy value that people just throw away. I mean you have years and years of him now with later in his career with Chicago, Tampa, the Cleveland Browns doing serious work for fantasy players.
Andy Holloway
Will you be streaming Josh McCown at some point this season?
Mike Wright
I imagine I will be.
Jason Moore
Yeah. I will be.
Andy Holloway
How does that make you feel? Do you take a couple more drama Me?
Jason Moore
I'm always fine. Josh McCown, I guess I was going to say my, the big surprise to me then based on what you're saying isn't that the jets can have some fantasy relevant pieces that are going to, you know, come late in the draft. It's that maybe the fantasy surprise could be Josh McCown stays healthy.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Jason Moore
Because that, that is what I do not expect to happen as soon as that happens, then the rest of the pieces are destroyed. I'll go mine.
Mike Wright
I mean, if that's true, then Hackenberg. Well, if, if Robbie Anderson's still on the team, maybe Hackenberg comes in and just throws 300 targets at him per game.
Jason Moore
Yeah, we'll have to see if he's still on team.
Mike Wright
I'm just saying that the New York jets are going to be basically, basically left for dead for fantasy because they're such a bad team that I think that people are going to be surprised, as we are every year, like, oh, they're a really bad team, yet they still have fantasy productive players.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. A lot of times bad teams still have really good fantasy assets. The team that I want to throw out there, they have the all time NFL's most accurate quarterback. I'm not talking about Drew Brees. I'm talking about a single season, Sam Bradford. I'm going to throw out the Minnesota Vikings because they did not score a lot of points last year in the NFL. Like real points. Points which translate to.
Andy Holloway
What other points could you possibly be talking about? Well, I'm.
Jason Moore
Fantasy points.
Andy Holloway
Oh, okay.
Jason Moore
So like real. They did not score that much last year.
Mike Wright
Fake points.
Jason Moore
And so collegiate. If that changes, I think you've got a quarterback who can move the ball. You know, he can build the yards. He just doesn't usually throw touchdowns. And so you've got a lot of.
Mike Wright
What do you build out of yards?
Jason Moore
You build a stat sheet full of yards. Can I get a grizzly bear roar here? No, There it is.
Andy Holloway
We'll just run this background.
Jason Moore
Listen to the weapons that they have. I mean, we know here that we're a fan of Adam Thielen. Yes. You know, he's got a great value. Stephen Diggs was also very good. I think Kyle Rudolph is one of the better tight ends in the league. And last year you say what you will about how bad the offensive line and maybe Latavius Murray, but Latavius Murray alone is an upgrade. You add Dalvin Cook and I would say both of those guys. I know that there are truths out there for Jerick McKinnon, but he's not good. He's just an athletic guy. That's my. Like, I have never thought he's good. I just think he's a spark freak and people want him to be good.
Andy Holloway
Oh, like Kristen Michael.
Jason Moore
Very similar. Very, very similar. So to me, I think their running game will be improved over Matt aziata and Jerick McKinnon. Their passing game if the Weapons are healthy, you still have Laquan Treadwell coming in and. And today they signed Michael Floyd. So I think the Weapons are there to surprise.
Andy Holloway
Sure, yeah. I mean, this is that. This is a prediction based on surprising. And you make a good point. Dalvin Cook coming in there, more dynamic offense.
Mike Wright
If we were giving out teams and the other two people on the show were not. Well, I'm surprised by that. Then it's not really a surprise.
Jason Moore
Well, right. I wanted to go Chargers because I think they're going to be monstrous, but that's not really that surprise.
Andy Holloway
No, they were actually. Yeah, they were. They were up there in point score last year, 24.9 a game. The Chargers were. So they're towards the top. I'm going to go with. I'm going to go with the Buffalo Bills. Is that a surprise enough for you?
Jason Moore
Absolutely, for me.
Andy Holloway
And here's why. You have Sean McDermott coming in there and we know that LaShawn McCoy is going to be fantasy relevant. That's not a surprise.
Mike Wright
Going to be good, but I'm going.
Andy Holloway
To throw this out there. They were a team that could score last year, but you had this disproportionate amount of rushing yardage. Right. 165 yards game led the league by far. And I'm not saying that they will go all the way away from that type of an attack. But you bring in Zay Jones, a healthy Sammy Watkins, you have Charles Clay, who is good for 50 catches a year and 600 yards and you had an efficient enough Tyrod Taylor that I think if, if the pendulum swings a little bit towards the passing game, all of a sudden you have some relevance coming out of the passing weapons on this team, assuming they can stay healthy. And so I think Buffalo is in a position where that could happen. Rebuilding teams in the division teams, I think they can at least compete against like, you know, a couple games against New York this year and a team that scored the 10th most points in the game last year. I don't know Zay Jones, how did you start him out?
Mike Wright
This year I have Zay Jones essentially filling in the Robert woods role. So, I mean, whatever woods was capable of doing, I don't think that Zay Jones can come in and necessarily take.
Andy Holloway
Over Zay Jones or Quincy and Nunois this year. Okay.
Mike Wright
And I mean for the rushing yards for that, those are always going to stay somewhat high because you have Tyrod averages, what, 50 a game.
Andy Holloway
Is Jonathan Williams relevant this year?
Mike Wright
He certainly could be. As of right now.
Jason Moore
He.
Mike Wright
Yes, he would be.
Andy Holloway
You're just waiting for the shooter to drop in another. Another big banger back to come in there.
Mike Wright
Yep.
Andy Holloway
All right. Follow us on twitter@the ffballers. The website's the fantasy footballers.com today we'll be doing a PPR mock draft using fantasydraftwizard.com you'll be able to follow along with us, see what decisions are debated agreed upon mid draft drafting from the eighth position. But first, let's grab some news.
Jason Moore
News and notes from around the league.
Andy Holloway
Well, I don't understand how it's possible, but always in the news. Kristen Michael visiting the Patriots on Tuesday.
Mike Wright
His PR team, they are some of the best.
Andy Holloway
They send out that spark sheet that I'm talking about.
Mike Wright
This guy can't get out of the news. And of course my Twitter feed blew up with this news and I was, I went full Jesse Spano. I'm so excited. I'm so scared because I have Mike Gillislee on my two biggest teams and I need Kristen Michael. I need this to simply be a filling out your emergency roster.
Jason Moore
Yes. I was going to call, I was going to say let me calm your fears because if they sign him, it's not. I cannot imagine Chris and Michael coming in and shaking things up. He'd be a practice squad.
Andy Holloway
This is for the eventual running back injury.
Jason Moore
Right.
Andy Holloway
And so that he can unlock the achievement for being cut from every mate, every National Football league team. The Patriots did extend. Explain this one, Mike. The Patriots, this is three or four running back moves a day. It seems like now they've extended a one year, $1.1 million May 9th tender to LeGarrett Blunt. And people reading this probably or getting a notification on their apple watch like Jason did earlier might think they signed Legar Blunt.
Mike Wright
No, they are in fact doing the opposite. They are savagely destroying Legar Blunt's 2017 season. What they have done that seems fair.
Andy Holloway
After 18 touchdowns last year in a Super Bowl.
Mike Wright
Yeah. They are not happy clearly that he would not sign. And they have said fine, you don't sign with us, you sign with nobody. So now until this point until July 22, that's when Leger Blunt can sign with another team. And now because of this tender which is never used, he's the only free agent in the NFL. This tender was used on this season because of Patriots. Right. Because the Patriots looked at the rule.
Andy Holloway
Patriots, Patriots.
Mike Wright
They found a rule that the NFLPA is trying to get rid of and they have X. Remember when the Patriots had the all the weird who's eligible and ineligible that.
Andy Holloway
They had to fix the rule on.
Mike Wright
Yeah. So this rule will be fixed next.
Andy Holloway
Year, but not before Leguere. But Blunt's future is.
Mike Wright
Right. But what it says is now if he signs with another team, he still counts towards their compensatory draft formula. So they will still. They will be reimbursed if he leaves the team. However, if he does not find A team before July 22, he can only sign with the Patriots through Week 10 of the season.
Andy Holloway
Are you serious?
Mike Wright
Which means they. And they don't have to sign him.
Andy Holloway
So if another team signs him before July 22, that team's giving up a compensatory draft pick.
Mike Wright
No, no, no, no.
Andy Holloway
They just get one.
Mike Wright
Yes.
Andy Holloway
Okay. He'll sign with some.
Mike Wright
Yeah. I firmly believe he will. And that's why they did it, because they know he'll go. He'll end up with somewhere like Detroit or something.
Andy Holloway
Buffalo, Baltimore, somewhere.
Mike Wright
They'll get a pick back for it. And they're just. Once again, the Patriots are the smartest team in the NFL.
Andy Holloway
All right.
Mike Wright
It was also because it's a low blow. This is a really dirty move to do to Leger Blunt. I'm just throwing it out.
Andy Holloway
Okay. You're just sharing your opinion.
Mike Wright
Yeah, my commentary on it.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. I mean, you never know what's going on behind the scenes, what kind of money they offered him. But, yeah, it's a strange move, a surprising move. And I want to get through these next two pieces of news real quick and start the mock draft here. Michael Floyd, former Cardinal Patriot receiver, signed with the Vikings. One year deal, 1 million, $1.5 million deal. Incentives up to 6 million. I can't see him higher than fourth on the depth chart at this point.
Mike Wright
Does it. Is it more.
Jason Moore
They're.
Mike Wright
They're checking out Michael Floyd or is this just. They don't believe in Treadwell. I don't feel like they've made a mistake.
Andy Holloway
I think they feel that way already. I don't think Floyd has anything to do with it. So I think they've. They're hedging. But I think I would put Treadmill Treadwell ahead of Michael Floyd this year. And Floyd's a, I believe, a Minnesota native, and this was a fit that people saw coming. A few weeks ago, Terrence west signed an original round restricted free agent Tinder. One year, $1.797 million contract. Terrence west is the guy that I'm rising on and at the same time realize that one signing would end my excitement of him.
Jason Moore
Certainly Baltimore is one of those teams that could certainly surprise as well with your Mike Wallace and Pearman and the West Dixon Woodhead. There's going to be some fantasy relevant players there, even though I kind of don't want to touch it.
Andy Holloway
All right, anything else you guys need to share, you want to talk about? We've got the ultimate draft kit coming out in only three weeks.
Mike Wright
Oh, man.
Andy Holloway
Less than three weeks. So if you have not pre ordered that, get in on it. Ultimate draft kit dot com.
Mike Wright
Absolutely. We've spent all week tightening up those projections.
Jason Moore
My brain right now is in. I mean it's in knots. I am still off in the hibernation, perhaps in just depths of data. Oh, I can't. I can't even think right now because I've been so deep in every.
Andy Holloway
Jason was that. Jason was stating players for the ultimate draft kit and he's sitting over there and he's talking about Corey Coleman's week three mid game targets and I'm like looking over at him going, dude, dude, you need to like climb up a few rungs of this ladder because you are. You are down in it.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Did you manage to make it through any of the Browns players during the course of the entirety of the day?
Jason Moore
I made it.
Andy Holloway
Did you get through the Browns?
Jason Moore
I made it through the Browns. Yes. There you go. I feel confident if we want to talk Browns here today, will the ultimate.
Andy Holloway
Draft kit feature all mostly Browns?
Mike Wright
Oh, no.
Jason Moore
We're doing it for everybody the next two weeks. I will bleed tears here as I stare at a monitor like full stigmata. Yeah.
Andy Holloway
All right, well, let's get into the mock draft. Maybe.
Jason Moore
The fantasy footballers mock draft.
Andy Holloway
All right, guys, I'm excited. Let's draft. We are Drafting from the 8th pick PPR and as always, we use fantasydraftwizard.com to do this. It's really quick and efficient. You guys can see some of our reasoning behind these picks and what I'm going to do right now is just give you the lay of the land. We're drafting at the eight spot. The draft just started and David Johnson went number one in a PPR mock.
Mike Wright
I love it.
Jason Moore
Makes sense.
Andy Holloway
Well, Lev Bell went number two.
Mike Wright
Yeah. Those are my top two guys for PPR even. Even though they're running backs. You know ppr. Nope.
Andy Holloway
No, I'm with you.
Mike Wright
Yeah, give me the guy for 1,000 rushing yards and 80 plus receptions.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. The laundry list of wide receivers that had less receptions than David Johnson did last year. The names surprise you, but you know DEZ Bryant's one of them. And Brandon Marshall and these guys. Lev Bell, number two, Antonio Brown, number three, Ezekiel Elliott, number four. Does that pick surprise you? Him coming ahead of five, six and seven, which were Odell Beckham Jr. Julio Jones and Mike Evans.
Jason Moore
I would have still taken him three personally. You know, I think that position scarcity. Yeah. I mean, you. You only have those three guys at the running back position, like that's it. And then there's a huge gap to the next tier to me. And so I want one of those three. But I mean, who's going to blame you in a PPR for taking Antonio Brown? Yeah.
Mike Wright
In a PPR for Elliot's, I may go with Brown or Beckham or Julio, a guy who you might have 120 plus receptions. And Zeke just was not used. He was not utilized heavily in the passing game. And it's not that he can't, but it could just be by design. That's, that's not how Dallas is going to do things.
Andy Holloway
Do you put Lashawn McCoy in a PPR league in the same tier as those other three, or do you have him a significant step down?
Mike Wright
Mike, he's still down there, but it's. It's almost like Lashawn McCoy made it to be his own tier for me. You know, you have the big three, Shady and then start the rest of them.
Andy Holloway
So this is an interesting spot to be drafting from the eighth spot. We've talked so much about how we love the those top three running backs, how we love those next three wide receivers, and a lot of people have Mike Evans in that next four wide receiver class. So you're sitting here now with your first big decision, and it is a big decision. You're staring down our first pick in a PPR2 running back to wide receiver A.J. green on the board. Devonta Freeman, Lashawn McCoy, you have Jordy Nelson, a wide out that I have ranked even higher than AJ Green in my initial rankings. What are the considerations here for you guys?
Jason Moore
Well, you were clearly going to get either a stud wide receiver or a stud running back. And while we're at this point, I think when you look at both running back and wide receiver, you have several people in that next tier available. You just said, you know, A.J. green, Jordy.
Mike Wright
A.J.
Andy Holloway
And Jordy are probably the next.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
And then there's a drop to me, sure.
Jason Moore
In a PPR that might be the case with Des kind of falling to that next tier. In the running backs, I've got Devonta Freeman and Shady and Melvin Gordon and DeMarco Murray, all in that next year.
Andy Holloway
As do I with that.
Jason Moore
I mean, if we're looking and we go, okay, there's. We're at the eight spot, so there's not that many picks before our next selection. And if we're saying there's only two wide receivers here in that next tier, maybe that's the decision to make.
Andy Holloway
I believe it is. I believe the teardrop at the wide receiver position, two guys left there, four I like at the running back position. A chance that a guy like DeMarco Murray could slip down to us in the second round. If it were me, I'm actually taking Jordy Nelson in this situation.
Mike Wright
Jordy's my highest ranked wide receiver.
Andy Holloway
It's either remaining on the board or.
Mike Wright
Overall remaining on the board.
Andy Holloway
Gotcha.
Mike Wright
And for me, this. But Jordy is a guy who actually could make it back. AJ Green certainly will not make it back. So the pick actually to me is Shady or A.J. green.
Andy Holloway
Well, Jason, you're back from your absence. You've taken the place of the Grizzly Bear. We're going to give you the first pick in this draft. Sweet. Make the pick for our roster. Is it A.J. green?
Jason Moore
It is certainly going to be A.J. green for me. I know that you, neither one of you have him as the fourth ranked wide receiver on your personal boards. For me, he's. He is actually close to that first tier. I mean, I am super happy to have in a full PPR AJ Green at the eight spot.
Andy Holloway
All right. AJ Green's the pick. Our first pick off the board, Melvin Gordon, follow. He went number nine, Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen goes number 10 in the first round of a PPR mock. Too rich for my blood.
Mike Wright
I know, I get it. But the. And I get that the prices. It seems outrageous for Keenan Allen.
Andy Holloway
It's just.
Mike Wright
It's just that upside for Allen's targets, it depends on which. What you're going to buy in for the San Diego Charger offense. I think that Allen.
Andy Holloway
Oh, San Diego now, huh?
Mike Wright
Oh, the Los Angeles. You got me.
Andy Holloway
I was just about to say I'm not used to seeing this LA Clipper abbreviation here.
Mike Wright
That's all I think of when I see lac.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, well, you should.
Mike Wright
So. But to me, just for Keenan Allen real quick. I still think he will be that high volume guy, so.
Andy Holloway
But I don't even me, I don't like injury quantity. Like a high volume of injuries.
Mike Wright
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andy Holloway
No, look, this is too soon for Keenan Allen.
Mike Wright
Yes, I agree, I agree.
Andy Holloway
No question here is too soon. But, but this is representative too of what you're going to see if somebody loves Keenan Allen and they look back at the pace he was on the last time he played that first half of the season, he was on Fire for 100 plus receptions, easy.
Jason Moore
Here's a perfect example in PPR scoring format, which of course we know he's king. Andy and I both have him. Shockingly low. We have him 30. I have him 30 and 36.
Andy Holloway
What?
Jason Moore
I've got him for 88 receptions and he's, you know, with, with the incoming.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. You mix together Mike Williams with Hunter Henry. Yeah. I would just say you mix together the injury history plus the addition of a number 7 overall draft pick. 85 receptions is fine.
Jason Moore
Yeah. But Mike has him. That's the hedge at three. So, I mean, this is, this is going to happen in drafts that will be drafted super high in PPR drafts.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. One of the more highly debated players, no doubt this offseason after Keenan Allen went, LaShawn McCoy, great value at 111, Devonta Freeman at 112 and flipping over to the second round. Dez Bryant, Jordy Nelson, DeMarco Murray unfortunately did not slip back to us so close.
Mike Wright
We gambled on both.
Andy Holloway
Why Hilton? Well, look, there's another guy I really, really like on the board here and I might insist upon, and his name's Jay Ajayi. Jay Ajayi sitting here in the second round. Jordan Howard as well. And on the receiver side, you have Amari Cooper, DeAndre Hopkins, Rob Gronkowski on the board. I know none of us would even touch the quarterback position at this point, so maybe it's worth explaining why. But ultimately, if you listen to us before, you know why, if you haven't listened to us before, you realize that we buy into the philosophy that you need to wait on your quarterback position. You only start one quarterback and it's easily replaceable. Exactly.
Mike Wright
The replacement value is readily available each and every week on the waiver wire for Jay Ajayi. Are you buying into this news, this hype that coming out of Florida that JJ will be used more in the passing game?
Andy Holloway
I think what I know it's not.
Mike Wright
Factoring into your decision here.
Andy Holloway
It's not fact. Well, I factored into how I statted JJ out. The fact that he can be a weapon in the passing game. But Jiji had a monster year. You're talking about 1200 plus yards, 260 carries, and a player who showed massive passing game chops in college.
Jason Moore
Right.
Andy Holloway
And so you mix that with some offense. Look, the Miami offensive coordinator had a, had a string of hyperbole the likes of off season hall of Fame. I mean he, he came out and said Devonte Parker is going to have a monster year. That Jay Ajay is going to be a monster pass catcher. And I think he talked about somebody else. I mean Tannehill is entering the hall of Fame.
Jason Moore
Their offensive coordinator thinks their offense is going to be good. Yeah, go figure.
Andy Holloway
That being said, Jay Ajayi I feel more comfortable with Jay Jay than Jordan Howard.
Jason Moore
That's really the question for me. Those two guys are my next two highest ranked running backs for sure. And I would agree with that. I mean Jordan Howard was amazing his rookie year and he's great.
Andy Holloway
He's a great player. He's on a worse team.
Jason Moore
He's on a worse team and I don't trust that offense. I would go jayajay here as well. That is not factoring in those comments whatsoever. I didn't change my stating on Jay Ajayi and he is, you know my ninth ranked running back right now because.
Mike Wright
On top of the Jay Ajayi he's going to get more passing work. You still have the report of well Kenyon Drake's going to be worked in more and more and that's. He's kind of a specialist for that. And just a reminder he was the third running back taken two years ago. Clearly Miami liked him. So that was just. I wanted to see how you your temperature on that situation.
Andy Holloway
No, and that's fair. But I think Jai is just a high volume proved he could do it. He's going to be my pick here. He might not be everybody's pick but I'm going to take him.
Mike Wright
I, that's fine And I, I get it. I don't it and I know we hate the, the argument of well if they didn't have this monster game. But you just said with 1200 yards. Is that what he had?
Andy Holloway
Correct.
Mike Wright
And I think he had 603 games.
Jason Moore
You know that reminds me so much.
Andy Holloway
It's pretty impressive. I've never done three games.
Mike Wright
That's the thing is like it's super impressive.
Andy Holloway
But this argument just, just to play devil's advocate to that. Right. Like I get it and by the way, I don't want to like Jai just for the record like I didn't like him last year.
Jason Moore
Dislike him as a person.
Andy Holloway
I didn't buy. I actually I, you know whatever. I don't like some of the comments I've seen him make. So I don't want to like Jai, I didn't want to buy into him last year. I didn't want to put him as high as I have him in my rankings, but he belongs there. And the devil's advocate to your argument about the. Oh, my gosh. All this yardage came in these games. One, it shows that he's capable of doing something almost nobody else in the NFL can do.
Mike Wright
Yes.
Andy Holloway
Two, it's. We heard this story. It was called Devonta Freeman.
Jason Moore
That's exactly what I think about all the time.
Andy Holloway
And, and, and you can bend it however you want to bend it. That's the reality. And everybody, when we get into the draft like this, you make a decision. What do you believe? Do you believe that this guy, you know, is gonna drop off the map after having three games like that or not? And so for me, I buy in. I. That's the decision I made when I started ranking guys. I was gonna give you my actual projection. Yeah, my. My half point projection. I'm at 12, actually. So Jason has them higher than I do. Is that right? Full PPR. Let me see here.
Jason Moore
Full PPR. I can tell you.
Andy Holloway
Right. Right inside that top 10 range. Yeah. I had him higher earlier, but I think he's the right pick here. I think he has the potential to. Less potential to decrease than Jordan Howard does.
Jason Moore
I agree.
Andy Holloway
So we'll take the shot at him.
Mike Wright
I think if. If I was to have made that pick, I might have gone wide receiver there and just passed on those running backs.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. Okay. Well, we'll see what it's like splitting the difference here and getting one wide receiver and one running back in the second round. Michael Thomas, Jordan Howard, Amari Cooper, Brandon Cooks, Doug Baldwin. Mike Gillislee goes at the back of the second round in a PPR mock draft.
Mike Wright
It's gonna happen. We have no idea what to do with Gillisley. I have him currently as my running back. 14 in PPR. The. The upside is just. We've. We've seen the upside of.
Andy Holloway
Is it. Is the 18 touchdowns flashing across your vision.
Mike Wright
And it's not just the 18 touchdowns. It's LeGarit Blunt's 18 touchdowns. And then a guy who was one of the most efficient running backs had. I believe he was second in yards after contact behind only Jay Ajayi. There's just his. He was fantastic last year.
Andy Holloway
There's a pretty strong point to be made when you say even Garrett Blunt had 18 touchdowns, because I don't think anybody. Nobody watches LeGarrett Blunt, though, and can make the kind of comments you can make about Mike Gillisle and watching him break into the second level. LeGarrett Blunt scored 18 times and they were probably all from the 8 inch line for the majority.
Mike Wright
They certainly are.
Andy Holloway
But Gillisley can break a big run.
Jason Moore
We have a great what's up.
Andy Holloway
That being said, it's too early.
Jason Moore
Too early for me. Yeah, if you want to check out some of the runs from Mike Gillislee, go. You could check out the what's on tape article. I think that one was Ben Cummins and some of the runs he made the vision, it was really great.
Andy Holloway
So it is too early for me in a PPR league with a guy like Todd Gurley right after him. DeAndre Hopkins starts the third round. Alshon Jeffrey, Ty Montgomery. And then we have something you're going to see this year as well. Surprising, but you are going to see it. Travis Kelsey off the board just ahead of Rob Gronkowski in the middle of the third round ppr. Kelsey soaks up the targets, not necessarily the touchdowns.
Mike Wright
He did last year.
Andy Holloway
He did last year. It went Kelsey, Robinson, demarius Thomas and Rob Gronkowski.
Jason Moore
I'll tell you what, if, if Gronk didn't go with that pick, you know, if I'm in the.
Andy Holloway
You would have been talking us into him.
Jason Moore
Yes, and I would have. Gronk is a complete difference maker and if he can slip that far, then I will be willing to take him. I'm not willing because the players that we're giving up here, for instance, right now, I look at the board and the guy I like the most is probably like my highest ranked wide receiver right now is actually Jarvis Landry in a full point ppr. I wouldn't want to pair him here with Jay Ajayi and you know, go all in in the Dolphins probably because there's other pieces. But I mean you compare that, which is like, hey, it's a nice plug and play wide receiver that I can be sure of versus a Gronk who's like, oh, this guy can, you know, lead my team in weeks. He can make up for other injuries if he himself is not getting injured.
Andy Holloway
I want to bring this up before we make our third pick here at the back of the third round. We do, you know, Leonard Fournette, Christian McCaffrey, Corey Davis, all the rookies. No rookies off the board yet. When do they belong? Where do they belong? I mean where, where should these rookies be going? Is Leonard Fournette crawling into your brain.
Mike Wright
Here in a PPR, not in a PPR it would. Christian McCaffrey is my 10th ranked PPR running back. Wow. PPR wow. I think he's gonna catch 50 plus passes this year. You don't take a guy in the top we this is your argument for Leonard Fournette. You don't take a guy in the top 10 to not use him. The same exact thing goes for Christian McCaffrey and if his specialty is going to be a PPR situation.
Andy Holloway
For those of you that might be pausing at listening to that, you need to remember the tale of Danny Woodhead. Oh yes. Because Christian McCaffrey is extremely talented. High draft capital. And even though Danny Woodhead seem to be limited in terms of what you look at as a prototypical running back, even a prototypical pass catching running back, he piled up the fantasy stats. He was a top 10 running back in PPR format.
Mike Wright
He probably will be this year.
Andy Holloway
He might be this year.
Mike Wright
That's what he still.
Andy Holloway
I'm still unsure of that situation over there. But yeah look makes sense. Christian McCaffrey on the board. Leonard Fournette on the board. Lamar Miller still on the board back of the third round and at the wide receiver position. Some names that are interesting to me. Devonte Adams last year 12 touchdowns. Jarvis Landry as Jason mentioned, you also have a guy. Terrell Pryor in the back of the third round should be the primary target for Kirk Cousins on a high pass volume offense. Last year he had over a thousand yards in Cleveland.
Jason Moore
I would throw out Golden Tate who is pretty much a lock for 90 receptions. So you know in a full point PPR he's a guy that I've always liked.
Andy Holloway
Arshon lynch on the board back to the third round.
Mike Wright
You're not talking me into him.
Andy Holloway
Well we're handing the pick to you Mike because. Because Jason took AJ Green with the first one. I took Jai or push Jay agenda.
Mike Wright
All right so I'll just real quick. This is my thought process. I love Jarvis at this pick but I'm with Jason. I don't want to overload with Dolphins with my first three picks. So in my consideration would be Devonte Adams. I'm not buying in on in on him as a great wide receivers.
Andy Holloway
75 receptions last year but I think.
Mike Wright
That the 75 that's fine but those touchdowns to me I think he can easily get to 10 plus again that's just what happens at Green Bay. So in content in contention for me, Devonte Adams, Lamar Miller and Christian McCaffrey. But I want to just get nuts.
Andy Holloway
You're going to get nuts.
Jason Moore
Oh, I know where you're going.
Mike Wright
You want to get nuts.
Jason Moore
I might too.
Andy Holloway
Oh, my goodness. Are you taking.
Mike Wright
I'm taking McCaffrey. Oh. All right.
Jason Moore
Okay.
Andy Holloway
Okay.
Mike Wright
Oh, you thought I was going to throw a wild card in there.
Jason Moore
I thought you were.
Andy Holloway
I thought you were going to take Jordan Reed.
Jason Moore
That's exactly who I thought you were going. We didn't bring up any of the tight ends, but.
Mike Wright
No, because I would take him on my next pick. Yeah.
Jason Moore
In a full ppr. I mean, he's. He's right there with Gronk to me. So everything I said about Gronk would apply.
Andy Holloway
I'm so excited. The first time I drafted a rookie this offseason.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Christian McCann.
Mike Wright
We had to break the ice sometime.
Jason Moore
Well, that's not entirely true because we did do a rookie draft.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
I mean, in a. In a full mock.
Jason Moore
Yes.
Andy Holloway
All right. All right, here we go. Lamar Miller, as I would expect, went right after Christian McCaffrey. Joe Mixon. Hey, Joe Mixon at 310. We didn't even bring the name up.
Jason Moore
It's a. That's a gamble. Where you go. I. If he. If he is the guy used there, then this pick is going to pay off. But you are gambling because there's every bit of chance that the Marvin Lewis led team is says. Well, Jeremy Hill is our goal line.
Mike Wright
Listen, I completely agree with Jason.
Andy Holloway
Do you buy into the any potential Jeremy Hill trade? Do you think Jeremy Hill could be possible. We just talked about on the show on Tuesday, Mike and I talking about the rumors of Mark Ingram leaving New Orleans, heading to Philadelphia, which have been shut down. Which have mostly been shut down. What about Jeremy Hill? Is Jeremy Hill a candidate for trade or cut?
Jason Moore
I don't think so, but there's a lot of rumors about that. I mean, you've got Geo coming off of an acl. You had both of those guys injured at times last year. Had to have Rex Burkhead play. So to get rid of Jeremy Hill, seems like at some point next year he might be needed.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I don't. It's. It could happen. Sorry. It could happen. But when I get my talk. Jeremy Hill, I get a little flustered.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I know.
Mike Wright
Because I want.
Andy Holloway
You don't want that tattoo removal service.
Mike Wright
Oh, it's very painful.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Why do you get every one of your favorite players tattooed all over your back? That seems like.
Mike Wright
Because I'm a very impulsive person.
Jason Moore
Let me just say this. If that is the case and your body is covered with your favorite players, Then people need to know that your body is the new Madden cover. Okay. Because everyone you love.
Mike Wright
This is a fair point.
Andy Holloway
The new Madden.
Mike Wright
I also highlight. I highlight their injuries in red.
Andy Holloway
You know what the worst thing is, is when you buy that jersey of your favorite player and they last about a year and you spent all that money on that jersey. And then I go to the game the next year and I don't want to pull out my Adrian Wilson jersey.
Mike Wright
Tell that to my Dominique Rogers Cromartie super bowl jersey.
Jason Moore
Oh, dude, I got you beat. I got that Max hall jersey from the preseason.
Andy Holloway
You know how many people are saying.
Jason Moore
Who is Max Hall? Yeah. If you Google him, you'll probably still have a hard time finding.
Andy Holloway
No, you'll see the police reports.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
All right. Christian McCaffrey, Lamar Miller, Joe Mixon, Sammy Watkins. Carlos Hyde wrapping up the third round. That's early for me, for Carlos Hyde. By the way, I would take Marshawn lynch over Carlos Hyde, but he goes to the back of the third round. Devonte Adams, possibly a steal there at the fourth round. Marshawn Lynch, Stephan Diggs and Jarvis Landry going in the middle of the fourth. You know who did not go off the board? Mike, now that we're picking again, Jordan Reed. Jordan.
Jason Moore
I love Michael Keaton.
Andy Holloway
Reed, Jordan, Reed.
Mike Wright
Are you guys really going to take him?
Jason Moore
I'm absolutely going to take him because.
Andy Holloway
Again, Leonard Fournette still on the board.
Jason Moore
I am usually almost always a guy that takes a tight end and a kick and a quarterback very, very late. I don't like taking them early. The only reason I would take one early is if I'm getting a true difference maker at the position, meaning the top tier. And the top tier is usually just Gronk, but in a full ppr, it's Gronk and Reed. Those guys are near equal to me in my, you know, statistical projections. So I would take him and I think they're going to need him this year, you know.
Andy Holloway
You think he'll be capable of building a lot of yards?
Jason Moore
Oh, he's going to build so many yards. He's going to.
Andy Holloway
Through the air. Building them through the air.
Jason Moore
Oh, yeah, big time.
Andy Holloway
All right. Jordan Reed. Hey, right after Leonard Fournette. He was tempting me there. Not that I really want to throw two rookies on this roster, but the name, the big name, tempting me. Golden Tate. Love that pick. 407, Mark Ingram. Corey Davis off the board at 409. It's interesting. I did my projections on Corey Davis today. I think he's going to have a good, not great year. I think he's going to make a difference in the red zone. Six and a half touchdowns is what I haven't projected for.
Mike Wright
It takes time.
Andy Holloway
It does for these rookies.
Mike Wright
I know we, we all love the Odell Beckham story of how we picked him up off waivers and we won our leagues. But who wrote. Was it Keaton?
Jason Moore
Who? Keaton.
Mike Wright
So Keaton has an article on our.
Andy Holloway
Website, the fantasy footballers.com.
Mike Wright
Thank you. The fantasy footballers, of course. But talking about the dangers of being lured in by the sirens that are.
Andy Holloway
Rookie wide receivers, are those same sirens sounding for Ezekiel Elliott and Jordan Howard last year, luring in the Fournette and McCaffrey and mixing lovers?
Jason Moore
No. And the reason why is rookie running backs are always, I mean, they're every, every year there are rookie running back producers who make an impact for fantasy teams.
Andy Holloway
No doubt.
Jason Moore
And when you look at the draft capital spent, you know, of extremely high draft capital, you know, you're talking top.
Mike Wright
Ten, which Davis was five.
Jason Moore
No, no, no. But I'm saying in running back, that is actually a rather predictive stat. Whereas for wide receivers, it's very difficult to nail which wide receiver is going to have that opportunity. As far as at the draft, you know, I mean, you bring up Odell, everyone remembers, well, that won me a championship. But because he was free, he wasn't even drafted. That wasn't a decision people were making. And when he was drafted, he was dropped by week four.
Andy Holloway
So you're saying get lucky on wide receiver.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I'm saying look for rookie wide receivers emerging.
Andy Holloway
We're taking Jordan Reed. Jordan Reed off the board. Our roster reads Jai Christian McCaffrey at the running back position. AJ Green and Jordan Reed, man, to be honest, I don't know how I feel about that roster right there.
Mike Wright
We're.
Andy Holloway
But it's interesting.
Mike Wright
5 of a PPR draft and we.
Andy Holloway
Have one wide receiver. Hey, yeah, you know, let's see the value. Let's see what we have there because we have the guy who led the league in reception still on the board. Larry Fitzgerald sitting here at the back of the fifth round. I'm going to give you some names that just went. Corey Davis after him. We saw Cameron Meredith go off the board. And the first quarterback, Aaron Rodgers at the back of the fourth round. Devonte Parker, Tevin Coleman. You have Troll Pryor finally off the board. And Tom Brady went Dalvin Cook, another rookie, right before our pick right here.
Mike Wright
So did Dalvin. Did I miss Latavius or is Cook off the board now before Latavius.
Andy Holloway
Dalvin Cook is off the board ahead of Latavius, as he should be. Right.
Mike Wright
I'll take Murray over Cook for sure.
Jason Moore
Interesting.
Mike Wright
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Jason Moore
You're just seeing goal line.
Mike Wright
You're seeing, I'm saying total fantasy points. At the end of the year, I will take Latavius Murray over Dalvin Cook.
Jason Moore
Andy, would you like to make that a water bet with me between you two?
Andy Holloway
I thought you were playing with me.
Jason Moore
I'm playing matchmaker.
Andy Holloway
So wait. Ppr. Dalvin Cook, Latavius Murray. Give it to me.
Jason Moore
Water bats.
Andy Holloway
When you said I'd take Latavius Murray, I was almost certain you were talking about getting somebody to help you like load a moving truck. I was almost positive that's what you my thoughts. Because I would go Latavius if that was the case.
Mike Wright
My thoughts on taking him to like.
Andy Holloway
To a country buffet or something as.
Mike Wright
A running back are well documented on this show. I just think you have. People are going to get out of control with a similar DeMarco Murray, Derek Henry situation.
Andy Holloway
Oh, wow. Good thing I just traded Latavius Murray away in our dynasty league. Here's what I'm staring down here, guys. We've got Larry Fitzgerald on the board. I don't see any reason. Now you have Jameson Crowder there you want to go, but you already have Jordan Reed. And to be honest with you, as much as I love Jameson Crowder, he's got a slot receiver cap on him. He's not going to put up nine touchdowns. To me, the pick is far and away a stabilizing force of Larry Fitzgerald on this roster, I think we can find some more upside receivers later in this draft. But if you pair A.J. green and Larry Fitzgerald in a PPR and you've already snagged two PPR running backs, I think it changes the outlook of this team. Makes me very, very excited about.
Mike Wright
I have him 15, Jason has him 14, and he has him 11 in full point. In full point PPR.
Jason Moore
I mean, there's no reason, there is no reason to think that Larry Fitzgerald has lost something. He literally, as you said, led the league in receptions last year. He's needed this year. This is swan song year. And so I'm not, you know, he's not going to be a top five wide receiver because, you know, he doesn't have that, that deep ball anymore.
Andy Holloway
But he's a 10 a catch guy.
Jason Moore
He will produce for fantasy. And getting that guy in, I mean, is there any chance in a ppr Barring injury that he's not a wide receiver too?
Andy Holloway
No, I don't think so. Not in a pbr.
Jason Moore
Right. And we're getting him in the fifth round. So yes, sign me up. I was going to fight for that.
Andy Holloway
Now I want to tell you I'm very excited here because this is our quick turn right. We took Larry Fitzgerald to 5, 508. Dante Moncrief, SamajDP, Ryan, Andrew Luck and Pierre Garcon followed that up. By the way, Pierre Garcon could be a very, very sneaky PPR pickup. He's one of the guys that I'm very excited about. He had a very good year last year. Some of the metrics on him where you saw him averaging 10, 11 yards per catch, he went up to 14 last year. I still think he's going to be an 11 a catch type of guy, but very much like Larry Fitzjoad can make a big impact, high volume guy on that team and I really like his potential for 85 plus catches in San Francisco.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I do too. I'm just surprised to see him go this early. One of the things I love about Pierre Garcon is he's in a bad situation. He's older and I would expect people to just not want him foolishly. But here, I mean this is, you know, this is a problem. I would consider him.
Andy Holloway
He went ahead of Jameson Crowder which that's.
Jason Moore
I love Jameson Crowder this coming season.
Mike Wright
And I'm just going to, to. I'm backtracking a little bit here. But Larry Fitzgerald, if they can get him over a thousand yards, he will be number three in all time yardage for wide receivers. And you think they're not going to try and get him that record?
Andy Holloway
I actually do think they're not going to try to get record but I think he will, I think it will easily get that record. He's just, he's too good. He's too good and you don't have competition there. There's nothing they didn't draft. I mean they spent third round on Chad Williams, but that's a developmental wide receiver. Their wide receiver core is intact. I mean it's. It's Larry Fitzgerald, it's John Brown, it's JJ Nelson, it's now Andre Ellington. So here's what I'm excited about guys and I want to talk to you about this. We're in the middle of the sixth round and Tyler Ifert started the round, Emmanuel Sanders, Drew Brees and Greg Olson. Now we had two running backs and there's no way I could consider Isaiah Crowell in the last round. But now you are staring Isaiah Crowell down at the fifth pick of the sixth round. A guy who not only was very good, but has an improved offensive line and caught 40 passes last year, has.
Mike Wright
Not signed his tender yet.
Andy Holloway
Well, yeah, but he's on that roster.
Jason Moore
Yeah, he's.
Andy Holloway
He's on the roster either way. He just. It's just a matter of if he doesn't sign that tender, he could be shipping out next year. Is that correct? I believe that. I believe that is the situation.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
He's not a free age.
Jason Moore
He's a Brown starting running back. And I agree. I mean, the fact that he caught 40 passes last season, he showed that he's got that and he did that a lot with Cody Kessler. And so to me, that is a great value.
Mike Wright
Who's the starting running back or who's the starting quarterback for the Browns? Kessler.
Andy Holloway
Would it concern for all year or just.
Mike Wright
You're just saying week one it will be Kessler, I think. Not Kaiser.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I certainly Kaiser's not getting in until, you know, week 10.
Andy Holloway
You. You're discounting the injury risk there?
Jason Moore
Well, no, in Cleveland.
Andy Holloway
Week two, baby.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Mike Wright
Kessler has not.
Andy Holloway
Here's the thing is they.
Jason Moore
They've got that offensive line to, you know, be able to protect him hopefully from some injuries.
Andy Holloway
Crowell, by the way, he hasn't signed or reported yet, so he's a potential holdout situation, but I don't think sitting here in May.
Mike Wright
I'm not worried about that.
Andy Holloway
What's that?
Jason Moore
Oh, when are we. Well, you're welcome.
Andy Holloway
Mike. Man, we almost made it through 10 days. Brooks. 10 days with 11.
Mike Wright
11 is the 11th.
Andy Holloway
All right, well, look, Isaiah Crowell, Spencer Ware on the board. Eddie Lacy, Jameson Crowder, Brandon Marshall, Calvin Benjamin. I certainly could go. I'd almost say we should go another wide receiver here. Tyree Kill, Eric decker, Willie Snead, 80 reception potential there in New Orleans. Corey Coleman, Randall Cobb. By the way, I projected Randall Cobb for a nice stable bounce back. Yeah, I wouldn't go as far as bounce back. Like bounce three quarters of the way back.
Mike Wright
That's fair.
Andy Holloway
Like, I don't think he can get all the way back up to that echelon, but I really do like him. What. What are you guys thinking here? What would you rather go? I lean the wide receiver direction, but I love Isaiah Crowell. I like Brandon Marshall.
Mike Wright
Man, it stinks at this point to pass on a guy like Crowell, but.
Andy Holloway
I mean, you've got Latavius Murray on the board for at least the next two rounds.
Mike Wright
We certainly do. But man, I feel like Crowder. To me the pick would be Crowder or Willie Snead. Willie Snead is going to get 120 plus targets. But will he make it back? If we pass on him right here, are we going in or out? For what round are we in?
Andy Holloway
We are on the way back out.
Mike Wright
Okay.
Andy Holloway
Do either of those guys give you the upside that you'd want from that flex pick here, Jameson Crowder. I mean Willie Snead as opposed to a guy like maybe Brandon Marshall who could be a double digit touchdown or. I know you love him. I do not. Martavis Bryant.
Mike Wright
Oh yeah, I love Martavis Bryant's. He's like where is he? Where does he rank?
Andy Holloway
Which in pbr? He has to go down for you. I mean he's probably a 50 catch guy at best case scenario.
Mike Wright
That's a fair point.
Jason Moore
Where.
Mike Wright
And this is a, you know, it's one of those tips of if you're drafting online, make sure you are using the displayed rankings to your advantage and not using them as your rankings but use letting other people be coerced into drafting people they probably shouldn't be drafting. Where is Martavis Bryant in this top list? He's got to be.
Andy Holloway
He's got to be about 15 players down. He's behind Thielen and Macklin.
Mike Wright
I wouldn't be reaching for him at this point.
Andy Holloway
Other considerations here, I'm not, you know, Doug Martin. Doug Martin's on the board. I think you can wait on him.
Mike Wright
Three game suspension.
Andy Holloway
Theo Riddick.
Mike Wright
Oh, yes, absolutely. Theoretic would be in contention for me. I think I have an RB as an RB one in ppr.
Andy Holloway
Well, they'd be, they'd be blowing the horn at us at a live draft right now. So we got to make a pick. Jason, I'm going to hand it over to you and we're going to start flying through these rounds here right now. As you make your pick, I'll read back our roster. Jay Ajayi, Christian McCaffrey, AJ Green, Larry Fitzgerald and Jordan Reed. Jason, let's make it happen. Captain.
Jason Moore
All right, my pick is going to be Jameson Crowder. He's my number 18 wide receiver in PPR. I think he's used around the goal line. I realize we have Jordan Reed and so you know, that was the. To me that's a tiebreaker situation where if there's someone else I like just as much then I will go away from him, but I believe in him.
Andy Holloway
I think it's a good point to make that when. When it's overwhelming for you. Take the guy. Take the guy. You have an opportunity here. How many targets just left in Pierre Garcon and Deshaun Jackson? Yeah, 2,000 yard receivers.
Mike Wright
And there's offenses that can sustain multiple pieces for fantasy production. Kirk cousins nearly at 5,000 yards. I don't know if he'll get up there again, but 4,500 should be no problem.
Jason Moore
Yeah. And if you, you know the two pieces that are sticking around there that already have that rapport, those are the two we grabbed. I like those.
Andy Holloway
All right, now we got to wait until the back half of the seventh round. And the question is this, Mike. And if you're following this on YouTube, you're seeing the players that are going off the board. Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, Jameis Winston, Big Ben, Cam Newton. They're all flying off, Mike. Oh, my goodness. Panic and draft a quarterback.
Mike Wright
Nope, not at all. I'm looking at the quarterback list here and Andy Dalton sitting there at number 18. I am perfectly fine taking him with my.
Andy Holloway
I'm spending the season at his house. I'm just moving in. That's how much I like Andy Dalton this year. I'm going to fluff his pillows. That's how much I love Andy Dalton.
Mike Wright
Dak Carr, Cousins, Mariota Rivers.
Jason Moore
Stafford Rivers to me is.
Mike Wright
And look, you have your parachute. This is. This is my.
Andy Holloway
You have a parachute quarterback.
Mike Wright
I have a parachute quarterback. We all do in Blake Bortles, who will be absolutely be free. Look, and I know he sounds like the parachute where we call him the other.
Jason Moore
He's the secondary parachute. But when the first one doesn't come and you're still trying to get that one to work, but now the little alarm has gone off like, dude, you got to pull.
Mike Wright
You're going to die.
Jason Moore
You're going to pull your Blake borders.
Mike Wright
Portals. Portals. Portals. Bortles is like the parachute that your. Your friend packed and you pull the chute and then silverware and plates just come flying out and you go, oh, crap. But then you remember, oh, yeah, Blake Bortles, he can be a quarterback one.
Andy Holloway
Does he get a new. He gets a new metaphor nickname on every single show. All right, well, you're right. I'm not considering quarterback whatsoever. But right now we're sitting on the board here. We filled out most of our starting roster outside of quarterback, so we're looking at depth. Amir Abdullah jumps off and Theo Riddick jumps off. Right now I think Theo Riddick would be my pick right here. You know a guy who, yes, he was injured last year, but he's coming off of two years ago, an 80 plus reception season.
Mike Wright
Riddick was still very good last year.
Andy Holloway
He was very good. And you also have a team that's still. Look, you brought in a rookie wide receiver. You've got Golden Tate. You want Golden Tate to do what Golden Tate does, but you need more targets in that system. Love Theo Riddick. On the other side you got Tyree Kill. I think a lot of people surprised Tyree Kill would be here in the seventh round. Brandon Marshall still there. Willie Snead, who you liked.
Mike Wright
I think if I think I need.
Andy Holloway
To hedge against Christian McCaffrey here a little bit and that's going to force me to take a running back in the situation because if things don't go as I hope and plan for Christian McCaffrey, having some insurance at the running back position would make me more comfortable. And so I'm going to take Theo Riddick and we'll toss this next pick to you. Mike, we're coming around real quick here. Amir Abdullah, his counterpart, goes off the board at the top of the eighth. You saw Kyle Rudolph go off the board as well. And Brandon Marshall finally leaves in the middle of the eighth round. I think that's a potential great value for somebody. But here we are with Theo Riddick, first play on our bench, Derek Henry off the board at 804 and Mike Lay the land out for us.
Mike Wright
So at wide receiver, which is where I'm going to be looking here, Tyreek Hill, Eric Decker, Willie Sneed D. Jax is there and I think we're to the point of desean Jackson becoming a value. He's not a PPR guy, we all know that. But he still is a thousand yard, seven plus touchdown type of player Jordan Matthews is. I know that you're not a huge fan. He's somewhat interesting to me. He is interesting to me. Returning back.
Andy Holloway
That's just how I feel when I.
Mike Wright
Hear his name and I get it. I feel like Jordan Matthews is going to be that type of guy for nearly everybody. Just you don't feel good about it. But we've seen two years, two of his three years. He's been highly productive and I know those were a different offense, but he gets to return to where he is. He's a natural fit for offense. Having said that, he's not in my consideration for this pick. I'm just laying him out for, you.
Andy Holloway
Know, that situation where like you know, if you put a couple ugly guys next to you, you can look really good. Like, I feel like it's Jordan Matthews with Green, Beckham and Aguilar next to him. All of a sudden you look at Jordan Matthews and you're going, well, I like what I see. Oh, well.
Mike Wright
But Jordan Matthews was brought to you.
Andy Holloway
I know, I know.
Mike Wright
He's a chameleon.
Andy Holloway
Make the pick. Sir. Make the pick.
Mike Wright
It's Willie Snead.
Andy Holloway
So you're taking Willie Snead over Tyree Kill. Just got a fear.
Jason Moore
I just.
Mike Wright
It's not a fear, it's a Drew Brees.
Andy Holloway
You like Drew Brees more than Alex Smith, do you?
Mike Wright
Just a little bit.
Jason Moore
You have, you have 117 targets leaving in Brandon Cooks. And yes, you have Ted Ginn coming in. But Ted Ginn's career high end targets was 97. And so maybe he gets 100 targets, but that still leaves about 20 targets left. And I think Willie Snead will, like you alluded to, I think he will have 120 plus targets. His 16 game pace was already for 111 targets. So I love Willie Snead.
Andy Holloway
I do love Willie Snead. And that's a good pick right there. Theo Riddick and Snead on the bench for us. Coming around to the back of the ninth round. Eric Decker, Jordan Matthews, Randall Cobb on the board, Paul Perkins, Doug Martin, Duke Johnson. Those are the names that are jumping kind of off for me. Kareem Hunt there, Martavis Bryant still on the board. And we just lost Corey Coleman right before us. Kenneth Dixon and DeSean Jackson and Tyreek Hill win at the top of the ninth round. I think those are great picks for whoever ended up with Tyree Kill and Desean Jackson.
Mike Wright
Whoever got Frank Gore just got running back 12.
Jason Moore
I was actually going to bring that up when we took Theo Riddick and say, let's get another wide receiver because I think we can get the running back 12 in the next round.
Andy Holloway
Now, you're probably right about that.
Mike Wright
That's really.
Andy Holloway
This is why you mock draft. You get the hindsight perspective of saying, oh, wow, you know, if Frank Gore sitting around, nobody wants him.
Jason Moore
I'll take him.
Andy Holloway
You know, maybe later we can get Marlon Mack. All right, so who's making this pick here? I would personally, I'm going with Doug Martin. If it's me.
Jason Moore
Oh, then I'm making the pick.
Andy Holloway
All right, go for it. So you're down on Martin too now. You weren't here. I have Doug Martin ranked very highly despite missing three Games. I think he's the guy in a great offense with a bunch of great passing weapons. We've seen it before from him. He's a 1400 yard guy twice in his career. You're talking ninth round upside as your fourth running back. I don't think it gets better than that. Don't give me no Matt Forte action here. Give me Doug Martin personally. We got time to wait on him, but you can make the pick. That's fine.
Jason Moore
No, no. Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to let you make Doug Martin the pick. Because at this point in the draft.
Andy Holloway
Now, I'm an illustration. No, not cautionary tale.
Mike Wright
This is your brain on Doug Martin.
Jason Moore
Watch what happens when you become Andy Holloway.
Andy Holloway
Let's see what happens to him right here.
Jason Moore
The pick that I was eyeballing.
Andy Holloway
Unbuckle your seatbelt.
Jason Moore
The pick that I was eyeballing here was the pick that went one spot before Corey Coleman. Corey Coleman. Because what I want at this point, we've kind of got a roster is not necessarily a Brown, but. But is does this person have the potential to be a superstar? Doug Martin, we know, has done that.
Andy Holloway
Oh, okay. Yes. I thought you were. I got you.
Jason Moore
No, yeah.
Andy Holloway
That's what I want too.
Jason Moore
You want that potential. Corey Coleman, you know, has that potential. That draft pedigree and the opportunity this year. I'm not projecting him to take that, but I want a guy that can do that. And so I'll let you take Doug Martin because he does fit that bill.
Mike Wright
You are correct that Martavis, Brian Destination on the.
Andy Holloway
On the board.
Mike Wright
If you're talking about guys who could be incredible. Yeah, yeah.
Andy Holloway
Or Doug Martin is accidentally being drafted. I'm so sorry I took him. Here's the other thing to realize. When you talk about that potential, that doesn't always mean that you're angling for this guy to take over a spot in your starting lineup. It also means that you're angling for amazing trade capital at some point during this year where all of a sudden you're knee deep in running backs or wide receivers and you can fill a need on your roster. You know, there are people out there right now probably saying, oh my gosh, how do you not draft a quarterback? You. Three bench spots. Kirk Cousins still on the board. Marcus Mariota, Philip Rivers, Andy Dalton, he quarterback's gonna be our last pick in this draft, I can tell you that right now. Well, third to last with kicker and defense behind that. We need to move it along here. Theoretically. Willy SNEED Doug Martin on the bench. Mike, I'll let you fix things for our roster if you want. Now Martavis Bryant, he did go. He went with the first pick of the 10th round. What Decker? John Brown. John Brown is. I love John Brown, but I wouldn't necessarily want to pair him with Larry Fitzgerald. And then Jordan Matthews, your guy. Jordan Matthews, your favorite player. 1004, Mike make the pick. You got Randall Cobb, Richard Matthews, Adam Thielen, Sterling Shepard, Mike Williams, rookie out of Los Angeles. Love that opportunity here.
Jason Moore
The unknown of Kevin White.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. So got Matt Forte on the board.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I mean I, I'm pretty sure who would be my pick here.
Andy Holloway
All right, well, who's your. You can weigh who your pick is.
Jason Moore
My pick would be Randall Cobb because even though people are disappointed because of recency, he's really, I mean he, he, he missed a couple games last year. He was on pace for 80 catches. He's, he's got Aaron Rodgers, he catches touchdowns. I think he has the potential we've seen him be.
Andy Holloway
He was not healthy. Yeah, he was not healthy. He's an 80 catch potential guy. I have him around 78, 80 catches.
Mike Wright
And also for reference, we have two bench spots. I don't know if you had said.
Andy Holloway
That we had five total. So two left.
Mike Wright
Yeah, we have two left to fill.
Andy Holloway
Do you jump on Cousins here? Do you want the stack with Jordan Reed and Jameson Crowder? You're sitting here and you're deciding between a fourth or fifth wide receiver. Right.
Jason Moore
So I like having a stack in general, but I don't want like that double stack.
Mike Wright
You know, see it for me it's. I like the stack. It's fun to have. I do not force it, but I'm trying to pull it up. Kirk Cousins is my seventh quarterback.
Andy Holloway
So you have an opportunity in the middle of the round.
Mike Wright
I would probably draft him here since there's. The remaining tiers of these flyers are all very similar to me and I don't have a standout.
Andy Holloway
I see a lot of wide receivers I like that are going to roll back to me. So. Are you all right with that, Jason?
Jason Moore
No, I am fine with that. I like Kirk Cousins. I believe I have Philip Rivers higher than him. So I would not have gone quarterback here.
Andy Holloway
Now here's something interesting. We took Cousins, not another quarterback went all the way through the next two rounds. You had Jeremy Hill, Rashard Matthews. Rex Burkhead finally went Randall.
Mike Wright
I was just throw out. Rex Burkhead was actually in consideration for me just because at this point of the Draft, you're going on a flyer. And while it is clearly assumed by. By the community, by other fantasy experts that Mike Gillislee is in fact the guy who will get that Legarre Blunt touchdown role, that's not solidified and it's.
Andy Holloway
Not the only thing that matters necessarily in New England.
Mike Wright
So it to have the. The upside of Rex Burkitt at that point, I was considering him before the Cousins.
Andy Holloway
All right, Jason, I want a sleeper pick from you. We got two bench spots left before our kicker and defense, which we will not discuss at length. So I want to name from you a guy that you really want to put on your team.
Jason Moore
I'll give you two names and let you pick between them because they're opposites and based on roster, this is a good thing for listeners to hear. To me, I think Mike Wallace is a great value. He's a wide receiver. Two last year.
Andy Holloway
Steve Smith is gone, Kamara Akin is gone.
Jason Moore
And I heard a stat. I forget what it was, but it was like over the last eight years or something, Mike Wallace has been a top 30. Yeah, if you was.
Mike Wright
It was Mike Clay was talking about.
Jason Moore
Yeah. And so I like him. If we need consistency, but if you want that huge blow up, you know, ceiling potential, then I would go someone like a Kevin White. Because.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I mean, I know, I get it. But with. If I was.
Jason Moore
If I had you look at the roster and you go, well, which one do we need? Do we need the high potential or do we need the.
Andy Holloway
No, I think I would take the depth and the guarantee. And Mike Wallace here with Doug Martin, you have him on your bench and suspended for three weeks. You're waiting for me. It's Mike Wallace. Are you cool with that pick? Do you take him?
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Do you like Mike Wallace or do you like Kenny Britt more?
Jason Moore
I like Mike Wallace much more than Kenny Brett. And trust me, I dove deep on the Browns today.
Andy Holloway
You spent most of the past week on the Browns. That's why you were out.
Mike Wright
My other consideration, we took the pick. We took Mike Wallace. My other consideration was the heart ring, Cole Beasley, who is just a PPR machine.
Andy Holloway
All right, last pick of the draft, Mike, it's all yours. You can lay some of these guys out there, you know. Matt Jones obviously is the pick. No. Wayne Gallman in New York, Joe Williams out of San Francisco. Here's the one caveat I will give listeners and this will help you in your drafts. I love Joe Williams. I love a lot of these flyer guys and I know that if I Take any of. If I took Joe Williams with the last pick, I might not get to keep him on my roster. He's the first cut if a player has to. Yeah, because that first week with the waiver wire, it's tough.
Jason Moore
That's why we don't draft handcuffs that often in the draft because you need that Week one, you know, after week one you end up having to cut guys and the guys you're always going to cut are the guys that are still behind that situation.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. And I'd like to draft somebody that could come out week one, come out week one and dominate and then go, oh, okay, I have an asset here for me, I don't think Joe Williams is a week one dominator. The way that, I don't know Marvin Jones or, you know, Kenny Stills or somebody could come out and give you that. Even if it's a temporary trade value, a flash in the pan. You could take Prashad Perryman and you could say, trade, whichever. Raven doesn't do well.
Mike Wright
See, I was actually looking at another Raven. I was going to draft the starting running back.
Andy Holloway
Oh, the ball, Ravens.
Mike Wright
Terrence west is still available. That's who I would go for because I want my. Even though it's a ppr, I still like to have my running backs who have.
Andy Holloway
This is a Mike Wright philosophy.
Mike Wright
I like my bench to have more running backs, especially when we have one who's sitting there for a just three game suspension. Hopefully, hopefully gaining value. As you're watching those first three weeks, that's going to be stressful for the people who watch or who draft. Doug Martin is watching the team. How does Jaque Quiz do? Do they throw out Sticky McNichols? Does he perform at all?
Jason Moore
Pairing Doug Martin with Terrance west is really, really nice for our team as well because you've got a guy who, you know, it's. The first three games are suspended for Kenneth Dixon.
Mike Wright
I think Dixon is 4, 4 for this.
Andy Holloway
But yeah, that's actually funny. Terrence west could have great value for the first four weeks. Martin could have great value beyond those first three weeks. It's just a thing of beauty, guys. A thing of beauty. All right, Kirk Cousins, the quarterback, Jay Ajayi, Christian McCaffrey, Theo Riddick, Doug Martin and Terrence west at the running back position. A.J. green, Larry Fitzgerald, Willie Snead and Mike Wallace and Jameson Crowder at the wide receiver, a healthy Jordan Reed, I hope at the tight end position. And then I grabbed the Cardinals D and Dan Bailey because the thing said, I had to take One kicker defense.
Mike Wright
When we were through the first four rounds, there I was. I felt a little queasy, but I.
Andy Holloway
Really enjoyed it at this point. It shaped up.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I would be very happy with this team.
Andy Holloway
All right, that is it for our ppr.
Mike Wright
You don't panic, don't panic, don't panic. Stay the course.
Andy Holloway
Don't freak out. Something crazy. We did it, guys. Fantasydraftwizard.com if you want to go mock draft for free over there. That's what we use every single year for these shows. It's just quick and easy, great resource, and you end up with a team as beautiful as this that was graded A level C. I was going to.
Mike Wright
Say the disclaimer is do not worry about draft grades because to win the draft grade, just take whoever they say is the best player.
Jason Moore
Right?
Andy Holloway
Yeah. If you're most concerned with preseason mock draft ratings, that's how you do it. Otherwise, take a great team, prep yourself for the draft. Check out the ultimate draft kit at ultimate draft kit.com and we'll be back next week with some great episodes. We're going to be talking. What are we talking next week? Some adp, some sleepers, some breakouts.
Mike Wright
Who knows?
Andy Holloway
Man, I bet it's fantasy football related.
Mike Wright
It's going to be awesome no matter what. Speaking of awesome, check out fantasy jocks.com the coach footballers.
Andy Holloway
Bye.
Mike Wright
Goodbye.
Jason Moore
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Episode: Fantasy Football Podcast 2017 - Early PPR Mock Draft
Release Date: May 11, 2017
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
In this episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, the expert trio—Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright—dive into an Early PPR Mock Draft for the 2017 fantasy football season. The hosts kick off with light-hearted banter about parody Twitter accounts and express their excitement for the upcoming mock draft.
The hosts emphasize the significance of mock drafts in preparing for the fantasy football season. Jason Moore highlights the evolving value of rookies and advises listeners to monitor their draft positions without overreacting to initial trends.
Jason Moore [02:21]: “This is a really important time of year to do mock drafts because what you're going to see now that the rookies have kind of started to establish themselves, you get to see where they will rise to and get the feel for when that rise stops.”
Andy Holloway poses a question to the hosts about which NFL teams might be surprising in the fantasy landscape for the 2017 season, steering the conversation away from traditional powerhouses like Atlanta, Green Bay, or New England.
Mike Wright’s Surprise Pick: New York Jets
Mike Wright suggests the New York Jets as a surprise fantasy team, citing potential breakout players like Blau Powell and the possible inclusion of Eric Decker.
Mike Wright [04:00]: “I think that people are going to be surprised, as we are every year, like, oh, they're a really bad team, yet they still have fantasy productive players.”
Jason Moore’s Surprise Pick: Minnesota Vikings
Jason Moore counters with the Minnesota Vikings, pointing out their offensive weapons like Adam Thielen, Stefon Diggs, and the addition of Dalvin Cook.
Jason Moore [06:21]: “So like real. They did not score that much last year in the NFL. Like real points. Points which translate to...”
Andy Holloway’s Surprise Pick: Buffalo Bills
Andy Holloway selects the Buffalo Bills, highlighting players such as Zay Jones and Tyrod Taylor, and the potential shift towards a more dynamic passing game.
Andy Holloway [08:02]: “I think Buffalo is in a position where that could happen. Rebuilding teams in the division teams, I think they can at least compete against like, you know, a couple games against New York this year...”
The hosts outline the draft format: drafting from the 8th position in a 12-team PPR league, targeting 2 running backs, 2 wide receivers, a flex, and eventually a quarterback and kicker.
Andy Holloway [01:32]: “We have a PPR mock draft on the show today. These are always a blast...”
First Pick: AJ Green
Jason Moore selects A.J. Green as his first pick, valuing his reception volume despite others possibly ranking him lower.
Jason Moore [20:31]: “It is certainly going to be A.J. Green for me. I know that you, neither one of you have him as the fourth ranked wide receiver on your personal boards. For me, he's... I am super happy to have in a full PPR AJ Green at the eight spot.”
Second Pick: Christian McCaffrey
Andy Holloway opts for Christian McCaffrey, recognizing his versatility as a runner and receiver, making him a top-tier PPR running back.
Andy Holloway [27:22]: “Jay Ajayi, Christian McCaffrey, AJ Green, Larry Fitzgerald and Jordan Reed.”
Third Pick: Larry Fitzgerald
Mike Wright selects Larry Fitzgerald in the fifth round, appreciating his consistent reception numbers and reliability.
Mike Wright [41:14]: “I like him much more than Kenny Brett...”
The discussion oscillates between prioritizing running backs with high reception potential versus securing wide receivers who can rack up consistent targets.
Andy Holloway [19:49]: “If it were me, I'm actually taking Jordy Nelson in this situation.”
Jason Moore and Andy Holloway debate the merits of selecting running backs like Jay Ajayi and Christian McCaffrey versus wide receivers like Jordy Nelson and DeMarco Murray.
The hosts adhere to their philosophy of waiting on the quarterback position, stressing the availability of quality quarterbacks on the waiver wire.
Jason Moore [23:16]: “I am perfectly fine taking him with my… Dak Carr, Cousins, Mariota Rivers.”
The mock draft includes discussions on potential sleeper picks such as Willie Snead and Theo Riddick, who can offer significant upside without being drafted too early.
Mike Wright [53:08]: “I like Mike Wallace much more than Kenny Britt...”
Doug Martin: Selected later in the draft for his potential to break out, despite missing games in the previous season.
Andy Holloway [55:16]: “I think he's the guy in a great offense with a bunch of great passing weapons.”
Julio Jones vs. Elliott: Discussion on drafting wide receivers who have substantial target opportunities.
Jason Moore [22:37]: "It could just be by design. That's, that's not how Dallas is going to do things."
By the end of the mock draft, the hosts have assembled a team with a mix of high-upside and reliable players across key positions. They emphasize the importance of flexibility and depth, ensuring that their roster can adapt to player performances and injury scenarios throughout the season.
Andy Holloway [63:58]: “...AJ Green, Larry Fitzgerald, Willie Snead and Mike Wallace and Jameson Crowder at the wide receiver, a healthy Jordan Reed, I hope at the tight end position.”
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