Fantasy Football Podcast 2017 - Explain Yourself! Ranking Debates & Hot Takes

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary: "Explain Yourself! Ranking Debates & Hot Takes"

Release Date: May 18, 2017

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Introduction

The Fantasy Footballers kick off their May 18, 2017 episode with their trademark blend of expert analysis and spirited debate. Hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright dive into early-season rankings, addressing discrepancies in their evaluations of key fantasy players. The episode is structured around the "Explain Yourself" segment, where each host defends their unique rankings against their co-hosts' perspectives.

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Listener Question: Eddie Lacy vs. Paul Perkins vs. Amir Abdullah

The episode begins with a listener question from Tim Seaman, who inquires:

Tim Seaman (00:46): "Who will have a better fantasy football season this year, guys? Eddie Lacy, Paul Perkins, or Amir Abdullah?"

Mike Wright advocates for Amir Abdullah, emphasizing his role as a starter for the Detroit Lions and his potential as an electric playmaker:

Mike Wright (03:13): "I'm still buying into Amir Abdullah because I'm buying into a second-round talent... Abdullah excels at that, too."

Andy Holloway concurs, supporting Abdullah while also highlighting Eddie Lacy’s strengths:

Andy Holloway (04:11): "I feel like the Lions still trust Amir Abdullah... Eddie Lacy has been productive and was good last season."

Jason Moore also backs Abdullah, citing his reliability despite occasional injuries:

Jason Moore (06:00): "Amir Abdullah is the answer."

The consensus among the hosts leans towards Amir Abdullah as the superior fantasy option among the three.

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Listener Review

A heartfelt review from go Falcons 99 praises the podcast's impact:

go Falcons 99 (07:40): "After finishing seventh my first year, I found this podcast. This past season I jumped from seventh to first."

The hosts express gratitude, reinforcing their commitment to delivering valuable fantasy insights.

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News and Notes

The hosts briefly touch upon significant NFL updates:

1. LeGarrett Blunt's Signing:

   Andy Holloway (09:10): Discusses Blunt's move to the Philadelphia Eagles and the likely release of Ryan Matthews.

   Mike Wright (10:30): Notes Matthews' productivity and injury concerns, supporting the Blunt signing as a strategic move.

2. NFL Rule Changes:

   Jason Moore (12:12): Mentions the addition of a second IR spot and overtime reduction from 15 to 10 minutes for player safety.

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Explain Yourself Segment

This core segment delves into the hosts' differing rankings on various players. Each discrepancy is dissected with detailed arguments and statistical backing.

1. Big Ben Dos (Ben Roethlisberger)

Mike Wright (13:56):
Ranks Big Ben at number six, attributing his high placement to his consistent touchdown potential, especially when paired with Martavis Bryant.

Mike Wright (16:31): "Martavis Bryant is a special player... He raises Big Ben's ceiling."

Andy Holloway (16:45):
Positions Big Ben lower, criticizing his inconsistent performance and dependency on Bryant.

Andy Holloway (17:37): "Big Ben has played 13 seasons. Only nine times in those 13 he wasn't even a backup quarterback."

Jason Moore (16:54):
Supports Wright’s view but emphasizes the risk associated with Bryant's involvement.

Jason Moore (17:00): "I love Big Ben as a streaming quarterback when he's at home, but you mix the risk of Martavis Bryant."

Conclusion:
While Mike and Jason see Big Ben leveraging Bryant's presence to boost his fantasy value, Andy remains skeptical about his overall reliability.

2. Christian McCaffrey

Jason Moore (19:45):
Ranks McCaffrey at number 25, highlighting concerns about Carolina's offensive line and target distribution.

Jason Moore (20:30): "Christian McCaffrey is all the rage right now... but his skill set is matched with the poorest team."

Andy Holloway (21:17):
Rates McCaffrey at number 25, focusing on the Panthers' limited passing game potential, projecting him for 40 receptions.

Andy Holloway (22:20): "I gave Christian McCaffrey 40 receptions next year... Carolina only had 32 receptions for all running backs last year."

Mike Wright (24:32):
Supports a conservative outlook, citing the Browns' offensive struggles as a dampener on McCaffrey's usage.

Mike Wright (24:18): "The contract extension was not more so that they're rewarding Jonathan Stewart."

Conclusion:
All hosts agree on McCaffrey's talent but express reservations based on team dynamics, leading to a more conservative ranking.

3. Brandon Marshall

Jason Moore (26:27):
Ranks Marshall at number 17, praising his consistent performance and potential in New York's offense.

Jason Moore (26:46): "He has the skill set to kick million studs... robust touchdown potential."

Andy Holloway (30:30):
Evaluates Marshall lower due to target competition with Odell Beckham Jr., questioning his reception and touchdown numbers.

Andy Holloway (30:08): "67 receptions, 832 yards, and seven and a half touchdowns."

Mike Wright (28:40):
Highlights the challenge of balancing targets between Marshall and Beckham, expressing uncertainty about Marshall surpassing 100 targets.

Mike Wright (28:43): "Is there enough to go around to get Marshall up over that hundred threshold?"

Conclusion:
Jason remains optimistic about Marshall's role and production, while Andy and Mike are cautious due to the offensive target distribution.

4. Corey Coleman

Jason Moore (31:24):
Ranks Coleman at number 26, valuing his potential as Cleveland's primary receiver if he secures the top spot.

Jason Moore (31:52): "He can see more than that. It's a... I feel like they're seeing what's Le'Veon Bell doing."

Andy Holloway (31:45):
Places Coleman at number 44, recognizing his talent but concerned about the Browns' quarterback situation and overall offensive strategy.

Andy Holloway (32:04): "I expect him to be the number one wide receiver for the Browns."

Mike Wright (33:44):
Highly skeptical, ranking Coleman at number 61, doubting the Browns' offensive direction and Coleman's usage.

Mike Wright (34:09): "I don't think it's the year for me for Corey Coleman, possibly next year."

Conclusion:
Jason sees Coleman as a high-upside player in Cleveland's evolving offense, while Andy and Mike adopt more modest and cautious stances due to external factors impacting Coleman’s performance.

5. Terrell Pryor

Jason Moore (45:11):
Ranks Pryor low, due to concerns about his transition to Washington's offense and the presence of established receivers.

Jason Moore (45:55): "Terrell Pryor... can you say more than three receptions and a little more than 50 yards for 0.1 touchdowns per game?"

Andy Holloway (45:30):
Places Pryor at number 20, despite recognizing the potential, remains doubtful about his target volume in a crowded receiving corps.

Andy Holloway (50:04): "If you can't promise me 120 plus targets, you're not going to be able to wide receiver too."

Mike Wright (46:34):
Supports Andy’s skepticism, emphasizing Washington's quarterback and offensive challenges that could limit Pryor’s effectiveness.

Mike Wright (48:43): "Terrell Pryor is a very good player... he had more than Zeke last year."

Conclusion:
All hosts express concerns about Pryor's high ranking prospects in Washington's offense, with combined skepticism leading to lower positional expectations.

6. Devonte Parker

Jason Moore (52:10):
Ranks Parker at number 29, citing his growth in the Miami Dolphins' offense and potential as a reliable target for Ryan Tannehill.

Jason Moore (52:07): "I have him in the 68 catch range for about 1000 yards... Devonte Parker is already a high draft capital guy."

Andy Holloway (52:04):
Ranks Parker at number 48, considering the Dolphins' offensive shifts and Jarvis Landry’s continued dominance in target distribution.

Andy Holloway (54:53): "You're going to need that [120+ targets], according to my projections."

Mike Wright (53:16):
Expresses doubt about an explosive year for Parker, highlighting the Dolphins' run-first approach and target competition with established receivers.

Mike Wright (56:50): "Jarvis Landry is still going to command a bunch of targets... He can't score a ton just like other players."

Conclusion:
Jason is optimistic about Parker's upward trajectory given the Dolphins' offensive investments, while Andy and Mike maintain a conservative outlook due to internal offensive dynamics.

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Final Thoughts and Conclusion

The hosts wrap up the episode by reiterating the value of their Ultimate Draft Kit, emphasizing its comprehensive, regularly updated nature that surpasses static publications. They encourage listeners to visit [ultimate draft kit.com](http://ultimate draftkit.com) to access detailed rankings, projections, and player profile videos that encapsulate the depth of their discussions.

Jason Moore (55:18):

"You can find the rankings on the website... 100 plus player profile videos where we break down... your checklist for draft day."

Mike Wright (35:30):

"Pristine Auction... the best sports memorabilia site in the known universe."

The episode concludes with the hosts highlighting their collaborative approach to consensus rankings, fostering a balanced yet dynamic perspective essential for fantasy football success.

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Key Takeaways

• Amir Abdullah is favored over Eddie Lacy and Paul Perkins for his role and potential impact.
• The Ultimate Draft Kit is a valuable resource for fantasy managers seeking up-to-date rankings and projections.
• Discrepancies in player rankings among the hosts highlight the nuanced considerations essential in fantasy football decision-making.
• Team dynamics, offensive strategies, and player roles significantly influence fantasy projections, as evidenced in debates over players like Big Ben Dos, Christian McCaffrey, and Brandon Marshall.

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For more insights and detailed rankings, visit fantasy footballers.com and follow the hosts on Twitter @ffballers.

Transcript

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, coming to you from the fantasyjocks.com studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Mo, Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the show. We're back again. Thursday, May 18th. Fantasy footballers in the building.

[Mike Wright]

You crushed that date. You sounded a little hesitant. You weren't sure that it was accurate, but you, you, you persevered and you, you dominated it.

[Jason Moore]

You have to make a decision and you go with it. You don't want to be wishy washy on the date. I like, I like the music in that intro. That's very. Did you put that music back there, Mike?

[Mike Wright]

Many moons ago.

[Jason Moore]

Many moons ago. Welcome to the podcast. I am very excited for today's episode. We have an episode I'm sure we will repeat at least once more.

[Mike Wright]

I was gonna say, I already put.

[Jason Moore]

That on the board. We're doing this episode again.

[Mike Wright]

We only did it once last year, but it's just, it's so fun that it really should be. We should return to this.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, well, I mean, clearly we will, because today, Andy Holloway has been jacked up around the office, running around. I can't wait for today's show. I think he has a list of statistics to come at us, Mike. Like he is.

[Mike Wright]

They aren't just statistics. Jason, he's. He's doing a hand motion like he's Montgomery Burns over here. He's like, secret stats.

[Jason Moore]

This is getting built up way too much. I don't know if I have what it takes.

[Mike Wright]

Secrets.

[Jason Moore]

Today's episode is. Explain yourself. Explain. We are defending one and we're defending ourselves against the other two for our early season rankings, players that we have ranked a completely different way than the other two guys. And so if you've been on the website, the fantasy footballers.com, you look at the rankings, you see where we have our initial early rankings. All the rookies are in there. Everybody's in there. Even LeGarrett Blunt, whom we'll talk about very shortly. They're all in there, but some of us, we Just feel a different way about a certain player. And today is the explain yourself so explain yourself episode. Quick question though, guys. Jumping right into it here. This one comes in from Tim Seaman. He said, who will have a better fantasy football season this year, guys? Eddie Lacy, Paul Perkins or Amir Abdullah? I think it's a good question because all three of those guys, they've got upside and they have some downside.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, they certainly do it. For me, it's. I'm still buying into Amir Abdullah because I'm buying into a second round talent. When we have seen him on the football field, he is an electric playmaker. He was already reinforced as the starter for Detroit. They did not make any moves. Meanwhile, Seattle has a thousand running. They're taking that New England Patriots approach where they just keep adding a new running back every single week. Paul Perkins has to deal with Wayne Gallman, who the Giants drafted. And Paul Perkins is. He's kind of a tweener. Meanwhile, they have Sean Drone, the big salad. They got Shane Vereen, they have pass catchers. I think Bobby Rainey's still there. So there's a lot of competition there. Up in Detroit, it's Amir Theo Riddick and then Zach Zenner is the big back. And they don't do a lot of running in Detroit. It's a lot of running through the air. And Abdullah excels at that, too.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. The problem with that is that he doesn't excel as well as Theo Riddick does in the same backfield. And so if Theo Riddick were gone, obviously we'd say Amir Abdullah is great. Now my answer to this question is Amir Abdullah. Yeah, I do have him rated the highest because you just don't want him.

[Jason Moore]

To get a big head.

[Andy Holloway]

I think his.

[Jason Moore]

I think talk him down a little bit.

[Andy Holloway]

He has the talent if he can stay healthy, which has been a big question mark so far in the two years. But they obviously. I feel like the Lions still trust Amir Abdullah to a point in the sense that they didn't go out and draft another running back to replace him. When he's been on the field, he's been good. So he has the opportunity and talent combination. I will say this, though, in defense of Eddie Lacy, I feel like Eddie Lacy could have been on today's show with a splain yourself. You know, like Mike, you got him. I think RB46.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I bodied him.

[Andy Holloway]

I just can't. I mean, you've got the starting running back.

[Jason Moore]

You can't body. Eddie Lacey bodies you.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, he does. You know, they're a Team that's always been a team that runs the ball. Eddie Lacy has been productive and was good last season when he was on the field. So I think it's between those two guys.

[Mike Wright]

And just to be fair to Amir Abdullah, he did appear in all 16 games his rookie season. So it was it. I'm not going to call him injury riddled just because of one season. A lot of players lose a season so it just is unfortunate that it was his second year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Half of his career, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's. Look, I can't argue the.

[Jason Moore]

I can write, I can write the story for Amir Abdullah here and I can write the story for Eddie Lacy here because Eddie Lacy's season would have to look a lot like LeGarrett Blunt's good offense down on the goal line. He's the guy to go to in those situations. We saw Marshawn lynch double digit, double digit, double digit.

[Mike Wright]

Very different team.

[Jason Moore]

Sure. That's the story for Lacey. I would say Abdullah is the answer. I don't know why I can't write a story for Paul Perkins. We all agree that's the whole point is I can't write the story where Paul Perkins has any significant piece of that offense when you have so many pass catching weapons. It doesn't mean he won't be solid but there are players like that that you're just kind of like, boy, I really, I really want Paul Perkins as my three. Yeah, like that's how I feel about Paul Perkins right now.

[Andy Holloway]

And I would just say this Amir Abdullah, good friend of the show. We if you're, if you're listening right now, if you're watching, please do good. This year I think we still have a stack of Abdullah Express posters. Not well, we would like to have do good.

[Jason Moore]

Do good charitable, very kind. Be a community.

[Mike Wright]

Well, if he's kind to your fantasy football team then he is donating many.

[Jason Moore]

Fantasy points and we know Mike loves him because he gets hurt a lot. So on today's show we have, like I said, the explain yourself section. We're going to talk some news. You can find us on Twitter at the ffballers and the websites the fantasy footballers.com check out the ultimate draft kit. I believe there are 14 Brooks. Can you check, is there 14 days left until that thing is released?

[Mike Wright]

That's correct.

[Jason Moore]

Is that why I'm working 16 hour days? Is that the reason why I'm doing that? Two weeks away from the ultimate draft kit and you can check that out ultimate draft kit.com from time to time. We like to read reviews from the listeners of the show in only the way that Jason can. And so let's hit it. Oh, maybe not.

[Andy Holloway]

Reviewasaurus Rex. This one comes in by go Falcons 99 from Canada. He says thank you. Absolutely love this podcast. I've only played fantasy football seriously for two years now. It is now practically my life. After finishing seventh my first year, I found this podcast. This past season I jumped from seventh to first. It is now a routine to listen to the podcast on my lunch. Love the football knowledge and the fun that comes along with it. Well, go Falcons 99 from Canada. You're welcome. Well, his message was thank you.

[Jason Moore]

You're right, you're right, you're welcome. And but look, it captures what this show is all about. We want to deliver solid fantasy football knowledge that helps you in your league, helps equip you to make good decisions and we like to have some fun.

[Mike Wright]

That's what fantasy football is, just a sincere thank you. The reviews people think, well, what's. If you enjoy the show, a quick way you can help us out with very little impact to your life. Just click some buttons and then leave us a five star review. It helps us out.

[Jason Moore]

Absolutely. Let's get into the news.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yesterday, Mr. LeGarrett Blunt signed a one year deal with a team that needed a running back, the Philadelphia Eagles. This LeGarrett blunt, this should be the farewell to Ryan Matthews.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, it should be.

[Andy Holloway]

He, yeah, he'll almost certainly be cut. All the beat writers around Philadelphia have been saying he's going to be cut for the last few months. And you're like, well, how they don't have other running backs. That's why LeGarrett Blunt had been tied to them in rumors. But this is a great signing because I'm sick of all these running backs. You know, Adrian Peterson goes to a team and wrecks it. Jamal Charles might go to a team and hurt C.J. anderson here. I mean, there were all the shady owners worried about Buffalo grabbing. I was terrified LeGarrett blunt and I was starting to think that LeGarrett blunt might go back to the Patriots and just, you know, make another one. Another running back to the core there. Here he actually becomes someone with value. I don't think anybody was really banking on Ryan Matthews currently. And he doesn't hurt any. But he have relevance.

[Jason Moore]

Do you have anything to say about Ryan Matthews, Mike? At this point where you have an obvious other than the fact that you believe he's absolutely fabulous and amazing player. I do. Are you willing to just concede the fact that everybody else in the world disagrees with you?

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, because I agree with him. You keep.

[Mike Wright]

Look, what I will say is I think it's to disagree that he has a very good player. I would not agree with that at all. But to.

[Jason Moore]

Is he better than Legara Blunt?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, he's a must.

[Jason Moore]

So why is he being cut and legarre Blunt being signed?

[Andy Holloway]

Money.

[Mike Wright]

Money and injury. Ryan Matthews is officially not that we needed last year, but Ryan Matthews is injury prone. There are some guys who just can't seem to stay healthy. And I just want to throw this out here. I love the signing by Philadelphia. I think that Legara Blunt could be a low end running back too for this team. I think he can score a bunch of touchdowns just like Ryan Matthews did last year.

[Jason Moore]

Matthews had eight last year.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. And I also want to throw out. We have a guy in our keeper league. He is essentially the taco of our league. Taco from the league where he just makes these weird moves, but they always work out. And he kept Legera Blunt despite it.

[Jason Moore]

When he was a free agent looking.

[Mike Wright]

Like an absolute idiotic move.

[Andy Holloway]

The clear wrong move.

[Mike Wright]

And now LeGarrett Blunt is the starting running back. So he's going to be great.

[Andy Holloway]

He's going to be a top 10 running back now. I mean this is how it always works, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

I didn't even think about those implications until now. All right, so Leguerre Blunt, I've statted him out for about six touchdowns in that offense. He has the upside to be double digits depending on how that offense comes into form under Carson Winston's in year number two. But Leguerra Blunt signs with the Eagles. Very interesting signing. Good signing. Glad he didn't mess someplace else up like Jason said. Just a couple quick notes. The NFL is looking to add a second IR to return spot for the upcoming season. This gives the opportunity for somebody to be tucked away in that IR to return spot. They come back, I believe week eight, is that right?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's they after six weeks they can start to practice and then two weeks later they can join, rejoin the team.

[Jason Moore]

And this would have a implication on an early injury to a player, a player coming back from surgery that you know you didn't want to leave out for the entire season. The NFL is also going to approve a proposal most likely that will change the overtime from 15 to 10 minutes. This was a kind of a player safety issue where they looked at it and said, hey, if One of these games goes really long. On Monday Night Football, this team has to turn around and play Thursday or Sunday morning. It is damaging to the players potentially. So that's why you're doing that. All right, we're going to get into the meat of the show. Are you guys ready for this? Are you possibly ready?

[Mike Wright]

Am I ready?

[Jason Moore]

I love this. I love this episode so much. Here we go.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm quite well, thank you.

[Jason Moore]

No, clearly you are not. No rational person would do as you have done.

[Mike Wright]

Explain yourself.

[Jason Moore]

It's time, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Let's break bad.

[Jason Moore]

Just like Gus. Gus was always bad. Gus was always bad and yet so good.

[Andy Holloway]

Someone you could root.

[Jason Moore]

Look, he was a wonderful employer, that's for sure. Depending on what company worked for. All right, we look. Our initial rankings are out. Mike, we looked at the rankings. We saw you had Big Ben up there at number six. Jason and I. Jason and I have Big Ben at number 16. Explain yourself.

[Mike Wright]

And I will. I need to start this off by saying, yes, Big Ben is my number six. Does that mean I am drafting him like my number six? No, not at all. That's how my projections have him landing if he can make it to 16 games. And that's a pretty big F with Big Ben lately. And I actually had Big Ben much closer to the area where you guys had him. And then something happened over this off season and a player was reinstated, an alien of a player in Martavis Bryant. And I connect we can do this as a combo package here because I have Martavis Bryant much, much, much higher than you guys do. So I'm going to give you some numbers here just for reference on Big Ben, Big Ben 2014, this is when everything really changed for him. When everyone said, okay, Big Ben is great for fantasy because he played all 16 games, almost 5,000 yards, 32 touchdowns. What also happened that year, Martavis Bryant joined the team. You can look back to 2013. He's a 4200 yard guy. 2015, he only played 12 games, but his pace, 5200 yards and 28 touchdowns. Last year, with no Martavis Bryant in the 14 games, his pace was only 4300 yards and 33 touchdowns. So the touchdowns were still pretty nice for him, but the yards were way down because Martavis Bryant makes that big of an impact for this team. He is an absolute dominant wide receiver who in his rookie year, he finished as the wide receiver 55 in only 10 games. And he was a rookie. He was only playing, you know, 40, 50% of snaps. The following year, despite he had his, you know, suspension the beginning of the year, and then you had. The team didn't let him back quite yet. Then on top of that, his final two games, he essentially did nothing. He had one total catch for or two receptions for six yards even, including those abominations of games. He was on pace. Let me, let me make sure I got this right. He was on pace for over 1100 yards and nine touchdowns. A full 16 game pace. Martavis Bryant is a special player. He is an outlier to me of talent in the NFL. And I think that he raises Big Ben ceiling that much. And Martavis Bryant, if he's playing high risk, high risk. But if he's playing, like I have said, he's a wide receiver too, for me.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I would say that the majority of people in the world that are listening might think that Andy and I are the ones that need to explain ourselves, saying that Big Ben, who might be a Hall of Fame quarterback, who's usually drafted around quarterback six, which he shouldn't.

[Mike Wright]

And he should not.

[Jason Moore]

He's the easiest person for people to go, hey, Big Ben's gonna have a great year. And you just kind of, you nod and you go, oh, yeah, Antonio Brown.

[Andy Holloway]

Big Ben has played 13 seasons. Only nine times has. Or, I'm sorry, nine of those 13, he wasn't even a quarterback one. So that's just not getting it done for me. And then you factor in, and I agree, maybe he does step it up. Maybe 16 is a little too low. If Martavis Bryant is in that starting role and looks good. But I like how you let it off saying you're not necessarily drafting Big Ben that way. Because when you spend high capital on a guy as hot and cold home and away as Big Ben. I know it's been talked about a lot, but it's so real that you need to understand you can't start Big Ben on the road. Even going back to when he had Martavis Bryant, I was gonna say, let.

[Jason Moore]

Me piggyback on that, because I don't know if you looked that up too. That's the stat that I wanted to see. What happened to Big Ben home road with and without Martavis Bryant? Because there's no question, Mike, you're 100% right. That team is better with Martavis Bryant playing. Well. There are seven points per game. That team scores seven points more per game when Martavis plays than when he doesn't. Here's the catch on that. When Martavis played, Big Ben stunk on the road. In fact, without Martavis Bryant on the road, he was actually two points better than with Martavis Bryant on the road. His entire improvement was Martavis Bryant at home. He averaged 29 fantasy points a game compared to 20 points a game at home without Martavis Bryant. So it all came down to that split. I love Big Ben as a streaming quarterback when he's at home, but you mix the risk of Martavis Bryant and that. I just cannot project him to get up into number six. Is he capable? Look, Big Ben, traditionally, every single year, what did he have? He had two, five touchdown games a couple years ago. He can do it, but I don't know if Martavis Bryant, I mean, you have been the first person to say. Now, I understand he's older, but you've been the first person to discount Marshawn lynch simply because he missed time on the field. Rhythm. Is he the same player? Does he have the same role? Juju Smith, Schuster was drafted. Have other players in that offense? Too scary. I'm too frightened.

[Mike Wright]

It's zero concern to me. This is. I mean, it's par for the course from Artavis Bryant to. To miss some time and then come in and dominate his. I've lost my notes here, but his first four games of his career, he. Dang it. I'm sorry I lost it. But he had six touchdowns in his first four career games and that was week seven, I believe. So he didn't start the season as a rookie. He had to earn his way onto the field and he came on in a big way. I just.

[Jason Moore]

It's been a while.

[Mike Wright]

He is. Yes, it is. It has been a while.

[Jason Moore]

And he could be suspended again really easily.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, that's why I was saying there's absolutely high risk for him. But as a.

[Jason Moore]

But you don't have concern that if he plays, he'll be the same player?

[Mike Wright]

No, I do not.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. All right, let's turn. You got anything else to add on that one, Jason?

[Andy Holloway]

No, I think we've exhausted it.

[Jason Moore]

So, Mike, you have explained yourself, obviously, very poorly. Christian McCaffrey is the next player. We're having Jason explain himself on this one. Mike and I, we've got him at number 14 in half point per reception leagues. I should have let off this whole segment by letting people know, reminding people that these are half point per reception leagues and we are defending ourselves against the other two. So, Jason, you have Christian McCaffrey at 25. We both have him at 14. I think for us it comes down to. And Mike, you can add to. It comes down to the draft Capital invested in the talent and the PPR potential of a guy like Christian McCaffrey. Jason, explain yourself.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, look, Christian McCaffrey is all the rage right now. Especially people listening to all the kids are doing. I mean, if you're listening to fantasy football podcasts in the middle of May, then that means you have been plugged into rookie Twitter and you know, the rookie world. The amount of pub that rookies get every off season is disproportionate to what rookies produce. Now that's not to say a running back specifically. They. There are guys every single year that produce at that position. I mean, we had Jordan Howard last year and Ezekiel Elliott. A lot's been made of, you know, if you take a running back in the top 10 picks, they usually perform. And the reason I've got him at 25, I mean that's not, you know, killing the guy. That's just saying.

[Jason Moore]

And no, it's not, it's not bad.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm lower on him than a lot of people because his skill set is matched with the poorest team. Now let me be real clear. I'm not saying he's matched with, you know, a team that is not the best for a pass catching running back. I am saying that he is matched up with a team that is the worst. Not bad, but the worst for a pass catching running back. And the stats bear this out. I mean, put it this way, in my stats, I gave Christian McCaffrey 40 receptions next year, which is a pretty, you know, good number. A lot of people are giving them 60, you know, 65, 70, because you know, the best pass catching running backs, they get that. They get maybe 75, maybe 80. Do you know how many receptions running backs had for Carolina? The team, the entire team last year they had, I think it was 34 to the running back position. No, I'm, I'm sorry, It looks like 32.

[Mike Wright]

You misspoke.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, it's, it's hard to tell.

[Jason Moore]

Sounds like they needed a pass catching running back to throw the ball to.

[Andy Holloway]

You mean like Jonathan Stewart who used to be that when he came in.

[Jason Moore]

And he hasn't been three years. He hasn't been for a while.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I know, but I'm saying he is capable now. I know they're going to change it up, but I just believe that he, he very well could lose goal line. I don't expect him to get goal line when you've got Jonathan Stewart there. This is the Carolina Panthers that drafted a first round guy in D'Angelo Williams followed that up with a first round guy in Jonathan Stewart, who was, you know, pick number 13 in the NFL draft, and they split him. Everyone was like, no, let Jonathan Stewart free. No, they split him because they had two good running backs there and they just paid Jonathan Stewart.

[Jason Moore]

See, I buy into that line of thinking a lot more than I do that they won't, they aren't willing to throw the ball to Christian McCaffrey or that he's not suited to do that, because I don't think you would make the same argument. Look, you draft Leonard Fournette, you're going to run the ball. You mentioned transitioning to an eye formation to be conducive to Leonard Fournette. A lot of what happens in NFL, and maybe it's a hard thing to predict in fantasy football, is you can form your roster and your team a lot of the times to the talent that you have. I like the argument that they're not going to waste Jonathan Stewart. I think that's a pretty compelling one. You have him back. You paid him. Why wouldn't you split time with McCaffrey? And therefore McCaffrey is not worthy of that type of a. Of a high ranking.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. I would just say the difference there between, you know, okay, now we want to run the ball more because you drafted Leonard Fournette. Well, you're calling the plays. You call a running play most, you know, pass catching running backs, when they're up in those 60s, you know, those 60s, 70s, they're not getting 60 screenplays called for them. It's. It's the dump off the, you know, that's kind of the. They read and then they dump it off like a Drew Brees. But that's just not Cam Newton's game.

[Mike Wright]

I could be wrong on this, but I believe that the contract extension was not more so that they're rewarding Jonathan Stewart, but they're, they're positioning to get out from Jonathan Stewart. They were fixing where his money was coming.

[Andy Holloway]

That's.

[Mike Wright]

That's my belief. And like I said, I could be wrong, but Jonathan Stewart, his rook Cam's rookie year, J. Stu had 47 receptions. So it's not that they can't do it, and maybe it's buying a lot into narrative, but the team has said we have to change how we do things. Their first two draft picks says that they're going to change how they do things. So that's all I, that's how I'm projecting Christian McCaffrey, and I'm not projecting him with that Goal line situation. Just like a 50. I have my 50 receptions, and I could. He could see more than that. It's a. I feel like they're seeing. What's Le'Veon Bell doing?

[Andy Holloway]

What.

[Mike Wright]

What's David Johnson doing? And we can have Christian McCaffrey do that.

[Jason Moore]

All right, what's next?

[Mike Wright]

I don't have the doc in front of me.

[Andy Holloway]

I explained myself. You know, next up, looks like it's you, Andy.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, Brandon Marshall.

[Andy Holloway]

We got to talk about this. Brandon Marshall.

[Mike Wright]

We know that Andy likes a couple things. He loves pizookies.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

[Andy Holloway]

He loves lemon Werther's Original.

[Jason Moore]

I don't love Werther's Originals. He loves Milk Duds. I like Milk Duds a heck of a lot.

[Mike Wright]

Confirmed. Old people candy. We put it to Twitter.

[Jason Moore]

No, no. And we said 5248 on my. On my feet.

[Andy Holloway]

That's because the old people follow you, Andy.

[Mike Wright]

All right, wait, but 52% said Milk.

[Jason Moore]

Duds are not old people candy.

[Mike Wright]

A win is a win, man. You gotta. You gotta deal with these things.

[Andy Holloway]

But one of the things he certainly loves is Brandon Marshall.

[Jason Moore]

What are your thoughts on milk is.

[Andy Holloway]

Not allowed in them.

[Jason Moore]

Brooks. Brooks, what do you think of milk does?

[Andy Holloway]

I am all on your side, Andy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's right.

[Andy Holloway]

They're delicious. They're not exclusive to old people.

[Jason Moore]

That's right. And old people can. First of all, when I told my wife this, she said old people can't eat them. They'll destroy their teeth.

[Mike Wright]

You kidding me?

[Andy Holloway]

Their teeth are indestructible. They're honey.

[Jason Moore]

Right?

[Mike Wright]

But anyways, on top of that list of things that Andy loves is Brandon Marshall.

[Jason Moore]

A lot of people love Brandon Marshall.

[Mike Wright]

Wide receiver now for the NFL hall.

[Jason Moore]

Of Fame is going to love him.

[Mike Wright]

So we have a quite a big wide margin here of our rankings. So. Andy, explain yourself.

[Jason Moore]

Brandon Marshall is one of the best wide receivers the last 10 years. He has the skill set to kick million studs. No, that's the last hundred years. Look, Brandon Marshall, I like him so much that I've had to temper my excitement for Brandon Marshall this year. And it wasn't something that happened when this trade took place. When the trade took place or the.

[Mike Wright]

The signing?

[Jason Moore]

The signing took place and he went to New York. It made me think, okay, ancillary piece. But the reality is, is that nothing that I've seen on film tells me Brandon Marshall can't do what Brandon Marshall has done. And when you look at the numbers for Brandon Marshall, I don't believe. Here's the fundamental piece of this puzzle. To me we all know Alpha dog, his name is Odell Beckham Jr. But the fundamental piece of this to me is do I believe that Brandon Marshall has lost a step? No, I don't. Do I believe the targets are going to be there for Brandon Marshall? I do. When Brandon Marshall played with a very highly skilled high fantasy value wide receiver two in the past because he's always been kind of the alpha dog, right. When he had another piece he was always better. When he played with Alshon Jeffrey, the target numbers were higher, the touchdown potential was higher and the receptions were the same. When he played without him they were lower. When he played with Eric Decker, all of those numbers that I just said were higher or the same. When he played without Eric Decker they were lower. So to me I've seen this history where look, Brandon Marshall has lived his entire career being heavily double triple covered and it didn't matter and he was a high enough reception guy. Now you put him on a team where you have Odell Beckham Jr. To worry about mismatches with Evan Ingram. I personally believe I have him at 17. I personally believe that he has enough left in this tank to make a big mark and he always has potential for double digit touchdowns. So for me those two. Look, I've been the last guy to get on the wide receiver 2 draft pick train. For me it's 1A 1B at this point in New York in terms of.

[Mike Wright]

Talent and I can, for me Brandon Marshall everything's going to come down to the touchdowns. I agree that he can, especially in New York he can put up double digit touchdowns but will he be able to do that with all the players where Oto Beckham is going to command 170 plus targets then you have no.

[Jason Moore]

Way, no way does he get 170 plus targets.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think he'll get 100.

[Jason Moore]

No way.

[Mike Wright]

How many targets did Odell Beckham get last year? 169.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. He's going to, he's going with Brandon.

[Mike Wright]

Marshall coming and with sterling Shepard had 105 targets and that's where I'm saying. And Victor Cruz was there, he got.

[Jason Moore]

So you think Marshall's getting none?

[Mike Wright]

No, but my point is that between Sterling Shepard and Brandon Marshall is there enough to go around to get Marshall up over that hundred threshold? And I. That's where I'm not so sure.

[Jason Moore]

He'll take 50 of shepherds and he'll take 50 of Odell Beckham juniors and.

[Andy Holloway]

There you go, no, no, no. Let's say he does that. Let's say he takes 50 from Odell.

[Jason Moore]

Beckham, which is only 100.

[Andy Holloway]

Which is only 100. Keep in mind, okay, two years ago, Eli Manning had his career high in completions, 387. That year, the second most targeted guy still only got 90 targets. So let's say with all the weapons now, Brandon Marshall can get even more than that and he can get 100 targets. What's his catch percentage? I mean, 69% would be great. That's easy math. That's 69 receptions. That's just not getting it done for the Brandon Marshall who's always been 90, 95 receptions. If he gets 69, if he can.

[Mike Wright]

Get 90 receptions on 70 targets, sign me up.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, so my point is, I think that, you know, you don't think it's enough to go around to 70 receptions is kind of where I'm capping him. And then it just comes down to.

[Jason Moore]

Touchdowns, which you believe he'll score very little. With him at 38, if you believe he's going to have 69 receptions and.

[Andy Holloway]

I've got him with seven and a half touchdowns. I've got him 67 receptions, 832 yards and seven and a half.

[Jason Moore]

Where does that put him in your standard league scoring then?

[Andy Holloway]

Standard? You've got him at 38, 32.

[Jason Moore]

So you're saying he's not even in consideration for a wide receiver too?

[Andy Holloway]

That is correct.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, so that there's a big. I do believe Brandon Marshall has it left and this team's going to pass the ball. That's what they've done. So we'll see what happens with that. Doing. We already kind of talked about Martavis, so we're going to move past that. Let's talk about Corey Coleman, please. I've had a lot of dynasty interest in Corey Coleman lately. I picked him up, actually, I had him. I traded him, I picked him back up and now I'm getting emails about him. People want Corey Coleman. I don't have him. I have him at 44. I have fears, I can see the upside of Corey Coleman, but Jason has him much higher than Brandon Marshall in that wide receiver two range at 26. So, Jason, explain yourself on Corey Coleman. Why do you like this guy so much and what opportunity do you see for him? Obviously prior out the door, but Kenny Brett coming into Cleveland.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So I mean, here's my view of Corey Coleman. When we saw Corey Coleman last year, he had, you know, some games that really electrified you know, he had that one big giant blow up game where you saw what you saw in college, which is he was one of the best wide receivers coming out now he lost a lot of last year. He was gone.

[Mike Wright]

And if you look at what broken hand or thumb.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And if you look at what the Cleveland Browns are doing going forward. Right. I mean they drafted David Njoku. What did they do with their quality tight end that was there who doesn't really fit the future in? Gary Barnage. They said you don't help us in the future and we are building a future team. So when I look at the wide receivers here, there's not that many wide receivers. Just like Terrell Pryor became the just the complete lion who gobbled up every. He had 140 targets in that system last year. You've got either Corey Coleman is going to get the bulk and I think he will, or you're going to argue that Kenny Britt is going to take over that role for Terrell Pryor. I don't think Kenny Britt is who the Cleveland Browns see as their future. I think it's Corey Coleman. And if he ends up with 140, 150 targets, which that's kind of where I can see him going, he has the talent to take these balls to the house. I've got him just outside a wide receiver too. He's still a wide receiver three to me. But I expect him to be the number one wide receiver for the Browns. And we saw last year that when you're the only show in town you can get fantasy production.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And that'd be my only argument is to say he's the only show in town when you spent the money on Kenny Brett. A thousand yard receiver would be a stretch for me. I do agree that Corey Coleman will be targeted much more than last year. He may even be the one. But to the tune of Terrell Pryor like 140 plus targets, I don't foresee that happening. And I don't think he's going to score more than three or four touchdowns. So I think that's the challenge here. If you get a quarterback in place that can air it out, they can get him the ball. Maybe Hugh Jackson lets him do that. But you know, for me, Terrell Pryor exceeded a lot of those were slants getting the ball out of the Cody Kessler's hands at the line of scrimmage. It's not that Corey Coleman can't do those things. He can, but I don't think he's Going to be all alone in that secondary. Mike, what do you think you have. You haven't the lowest at 61. So you must have some strong thoughts on Corey Coleman.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I've slightly bumped him up from 61 since then. But it's the Cleveland Browns, if I'm reading this correctly, they had just over 3200 total passing yards. And looking at Cody Kessler, I don't think he's the answer. I mean, he's a 200 yard guy and that's unless Corey Coleman is going like Terrell Pryor where he's getting a third or so of the passing yards, which I just don't see.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't.

[Mike Wright]

I don't think that's happening this season. I think in the future the Browns are building something special. I like desean Kizer far more than I like Cody Kessler. But I agree with the draft community. That said, Kaiser's not ready yet. He still needs some time. So that's why I think it's not the year for me, for Corey Coleman, possibly next year. But you like him taking that jump.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he's going to take that year to jump because he's going to go into the role of the number one and he has the talent to back it up.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

You went bananas the other night.

[Mike Wright]

I may or may not have gone bananas on Pristine Auction. Look, it's the best sports memorabilia site on in the known universe. I went on there the other day.

[Jason Moore]

I saw it come through and I said, mike, what'd you do? And he said, well stocked up because.

[Mike Wright]

Andy looked at the toll and he's like what'd you do there? And then when I showed him the booty, the, the loot that I had gathered, he said that. He said, balderdash. There is no way that you got all those signed jerseys.

[Jason Moore]

Why don't you tell them what you got?

[Mike Wright]

Well, I can't. There's so many. I can't even remember.

[Jason Moore]

You got a signed Ty Helden. I can remember this. You got a signed Tyreek Hill jersey. You got assigned Stephen Diggs jersey. That was basically stealing. I and this is an auction sports memorabilia website.

[Mike Wright]

So you when you catch them, right.

[Jason Moore]

And I'll just tell you. Mike snagged a signed Stephen Diggs jersey for $35.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

That's a full jersey. Signed, authenticated.

[Andy Holloway]

You can't go to the store and buy a Stefan Diggs Jersey.

[Jason Moore]

It was ridiculous. And I. So at first I was like, mike, what are you doing? And then Mike told me, he goes, you bought me all those frames to fill up. I'm filling them up.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Can we fast forward for a second and just talk about Terrell Pryor? Can we jump to Terrell Pryor?

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no. This is just a tease. We're going to talk about.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, we're going to talk about. I just thought maybe on the heels of Corey Coleman, go ahead, set the stage for who you wanted to meet up.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we're going to. We're going to throw it to you and talk about Mr. Carlos Hyde. Now, Carlos.

[Jason Moore]

Well, if you threw it to Carlos Hyde, he wouldn't catch it. So.

[Mike Wright]

But continue 50% of the time it would.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, there you go, Mike. Glass half full.

[Jason Moore]

So I have Carlos hyde down at 32. And I've seen a lot of mock drafts with Carlos Hyde obviously going much, much higher than that. You guys have him at 15 and 21. And to be honest, cool. That doesn't really bother me that much. I have chosen, I've made a willful decision to move Carlos Hyde down into the 30 range. Because you know what? I don't want any of you out there making the mistake of drafting Carlos Hyde because I don't think it's going to end well. I mean, before we had his name in this doc for the Explain yourself. Before news broke today out of out of the Bay Area, a beat writer anticipating that Joe Williams could very well take a hold of this backfield if not by season's beginning. A few weeks into the season. He is the pick, the hand pick. Kyle Shanahan, guy in San Francisco. He's the youth. He's the piece. Carlos Hyde last year of his deal. And honestly, Carlos Hyde cannot stay healthy. And that's what it comes down to for me. I'm not going to sit here and say, boy, when Carlos Hyde plays, he's terrible. No, he's not terrible. But you know who he is. He's Ryan Matthews.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's probably why I like him so much.

[Jason Moore]

That's probably why you like him. And look, if Kylos Hyde, if you told me, boy, he's going to be healthy and he's going to be on the field, I'd say, you know what, he's going to score a ton of fancy points and you're going to be, you're going to be loving him, but you're not and he won't. And so I've got him at 32 and that's the end of that story.

[Mike Wright]

And I just wanted to run some numbers by the people just so you can, you can understand that. Carlos Hyde is good. And I can't disagree with Andy that he can't stand the field because he's literally never done it in his entire career. However, last year, according to pro football focused, 10th among running backs and missed tackles, 37. He had more than Zeke. Last year he had 12 runs of more than 15 yards. That's ninth. That's more than David Johnson. That's more than DeMarco Murray. He had. He averaged 32 yards after contact per game. That puts him third in a per game number. He had 414 yards total after the contact. That's seventh in the league and that's only in 13 games. The guy is an absolute stud, but he can't stay healthy.

[Jason Moore]

And here's the reality too. If you told me Joe Williams is going to be a starter, I'm not going to anoint him a top 12 position because this team isn't very good either. Carlos Hyde, he was on the field beyond week five, wasn't he? He was on the field a lot. He had monster games. He didn't score a touchdown from week five on.

[Mike Wright]

Remember how bad his team was?

[Jason Moore]

That's what my point is. My point is that even if he is healthy for a good part of the season, you are capped at that touchdown total. If this team cannot get in the red zone, give him opportunities. Joe Williams in the backfield. They signed use check. They have the trader for Cabri bribs. Whatever the situation is in that backfield. You know, right now I clicked on Carlos Hyde on espn. He's still got a questionable sign next to him. That's not even a joke. He's got a cute. He's got a Q next to his name.

[Andy Holloway]

And I think they started putting that on his jersey.

[Jason Moore]

I think drafting. They put it on. Yeah, there's a hide on the back with the red Q above his name.

[Andy Holloway]

They just put a little Velcro patch and when he comes off, the other coach rips it off and go, hey, you're doing Good. You get a pee.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my gosh.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, the P is gone.

[Jason Moore]

Let's flip this over to Mike. Hey, we. We got a review the other day that said. Hey, once I. Once I heard that Mike, like, I almost said Legare blunt, that he liked Latavius Murray more than Dalvin Cook this year. I had to turn the show off.

[Andy Holloway]

You.

[Jason Moore]

You are a polarizing man, Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

Now, it's worth saying, you know, as. As this show is, what we are defending here is the minority opinion. So. So this is. Mike. I don't think either Andy or myself possibly agree with you here.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

So this is about Dalvin Cook, because me and Mike. I'm sorry, Jason and myself, have Dalvin Cook at 22 and 23. Mike has Dalvin Cook way down at 45.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Say what?

[Mike Wright]

And here's the thing about the review is what bothered me was it was accusing me of thinking Latavius Murray was a good running back. And if you followed this show for any length of time, you would know that is unequivocally false. Yes. Thank you. I have never supported Latavius Murray, and my point is simply, I think that the Minnesota vikings gave him $5 million and they're going to use him. I understand Dalvin Cook's the new hot draft pick, but last year you had Matt aziata and Jerick McKinnon. Who's the better running back?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you're right.

[Mike Wright]

Who's the more talented?

[Jason Moore]

I know, I know. Asiato's on the field way too much.

[Mike Wright]

He's on the field a ton. And not only is he on the field, he was the goal line guy. They said, Jericho McKinnon. We're inside the 10. Hit the bricks, son, because it's Matt Asiata time. Who's going to. If you gave me the tuba sound. Everyone knows what Matt Aziata is about, and it's just the snaps. Asiata was on the field for 42% of snaps. Jerick McKinnon was on the field more at 56%. My. My argument against Dalvin Cook, who is a. I think a better talent than Latavius Murray, is simply and better than Jerick McKinnon.

[Jason Moore]

You'd agree, right?

[Mike Wright]

Yes. Yes. He's a better running back than Jerick McKinnon. It's. My argument is just they're going to use Latavius Murray. I feel very confident that Latavius Murray will be the goal line back. Dalvin Cook may get work, but also, Jerick McKinnon is not just going to be benched. They will still give him snaps here and there. So Instead of just two guys, now you have kind of two and a half. Like what's Charlie Sheen show the Two and a Half Men. Because Jerick McKinnon, I still have estimate he'll get 15 to 20 receptions.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's where I agree and disagree with you. When it comes to Latavius Murray, I actually agree to a point. I fully expect him to be the goal line back. They didn't bring him in for no reason. Dalvin Cook is not a big bruiser. You have Latavius Murray who has had double digit touchdowns in the NFL. You could say it's okay, it's the, the Redskins line. But if I'm a coach.

[Mike Wright]

Oakland's line.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yes, Oakland's line. If I am a coach, I'm putting Latavius Murray in at the goal and he has shown me that he's got a nose for the end zone and could get the job done over Dalvin Cook. But where I disagree with you is how much you think McKinnon is still going to be involved. You just talked about how they were pulling McKinnon off to get Asiata on and then they go out and they sign Latavius Murray and then they go out and they draft Alvin Cook. I don't think they like McKinnon that much and I think, I think Cook will. I think it's going to be mostly a two man show and Cook will thrive with the small pepper targets from Sam Bradford. So that's why I have Cook much higher than you and I won't linger.

[Jason Moore]

On Cook too long. But I agree with Jason. It's one of the reasons I don't love Kyle Rudolph because I don't think he's going to have to be the only peppered short target anymore. You have Dalvin Cook, you have him in the backfield. I think we all like Danny Woodhead.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

It's the same type of application here for me and Dalvin Cook. High utilization and in a half point per reception league, I just like him more than Tavius Murray.

[Mike Wright]

Now if, if it seems like they're going to commit to Dalvin Cook as the passing downs back then, then I will absolutely move him up. McKinnon had 43 receptions. Oz Yada had 32. They. Jason's right.

[Andy Holloway]

They.

[Mike Wright]

They throw to the running back a ton or Sam Bradford at least did last year. I don't know if that's what they really want to do. But they were forced into it with their offensive line was a disaster. But so Last year the final thing was is Matt Aziata running back 38, Jerick McKinnon, RB30. It's my argument is they're just going to cannibalize. We got another it could be a.

[Jason Moore]

Hundred party situation, a bad situation. I agree with that possibility. They're not a good running team. They weren't last year. It's time to turn our attention to maybe the most debated guy in our studio. Certainly over the last week and a half. In fact, I had to ask myself before we did this segment whether we had done this segment already because we've done it around the office. We've done it over the course of the ultimate draft kit. We just did our player profile videos at the wide receiver position. So we just had this debate in brevity. Let's talk about Terrell Pryor and the defender self goes to Jason because he's got Pryor way down at number 30. Terrell Pryor signed by the Washington Redskins one year deal to come in and be a big piece of that passing offense. Everybody freaked out when desean Jackson, Pierre Garcon left Washington. Josh Dockson coming back was injured most last year high draft pick. And then Terrell Pryor has arrived. Terrell Pryor, great year last year. Jason, defend yourself. And then I'm going to talk after that.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. I know you got some juice on why you believe you're right. And here's the deal. I love Terrell Pryor. I ruined. No, you don't. No, no, no, I can. I like him. When he first came over, I thought, man, he was, you know, he was a wide receiver too. With the Browns and their mishmash of quarterback garbage last year.

[Mike Wright]

How dare you insult Charlie Whitehurst.

[Andy Holloway]

Now he comes over to, you know, Kirk Cousins and a good offense and I'm like, how is he? How is he possibly go down? But then I look at it realistically. I mean the truth is there's no way he can't do anything but go down. And the reason why.

[Jason Moore]

Just wait to hear how I look at it.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. Well, would you say Terrell Pryor was good with the Browns last year?

[Jason Moore]

I would say Trout Pryor had a very good year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Would you. Can I interest you in a little more than three receptions and a little more than 50 yards for 0.1 touchdowns per game?

[Jason Moore]

No, no, no.

[Andy Holloway]

Because that was what he did when Corey Coleman was there and he wasn't the only show in town.

[Jason Moore]

How many games was that?

[Andy Holloway]

That was six. That was six games which I think is is plenty. When you're talking about a single season. But let's shift over to look at the Redskins. Okay? The Redskins have Kirk Cousins, a guy who I think is obviously world's better than the Cleveland Brown quarterback, but. But a guy.

[Mike Wright]

How dare you insult Kevin Hogan.

[Andy Holloway]

But a guy who spreads the ball around. Do you want to know that? Look, Terrell Pryor is not as good a wide receiver as either Pierre Garcon or desean Jackson. Now they're all different types, but at the end of the day, how in the world a first year single year wide receiver converting from quarterback could be better than these Pro bowl wide receivers who knew the system and had years with Kirk Cousins, I would be surprised. But neither one of those guys, despite Jordan Reed, the actual main target and main red zone target being gone for half the year, despite that, which is like the best situation for their wide receivers, they didn't have a top 30 wide receiver last year in fantasy football, either of them. So now you're telling me Terrell Pryor, the second year wide receiver is going to come in. Josh Dockson, who they drafted, is, is there as well. They did sign Brian Quick, they have Crowder, they have Jordan Reed, and all of a sudden, I mean, how many targets could he possibly get last year? If you look at the targets, Garcon.

[Mike Wright]

Had 114, Desean Jackson had 100.

[Andy Holloway]

So let's say somehow that he gets more than even Pierre Garcon. He's going to get 115 targets. Okay? Last year he got 140 targets with the Browns. Yes, the targets will be better per target, but that is, that's not a small gap. And so that would say he goes down. And keep in mind, I mean when he was with the Browns last year, he was throwing the ball. I mean he, I think he wildcat ran a touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

And I talked about Kirk Cousins, his numbers on the regress impress show of that. I think that the yardage is sustainable, but I think that his touchdowns were too low compared to what his colleagues had done who were throwing up at that, at that yardage level. So the difference is if he's getting those targets but he's scoring instead of three or four touchdowns, which Garcon and DeSean Jackson did. If you put him up at seven or eight, then he easily makes that jump into being a wide receiver too.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean last year, trial prior, first year as a wide receiver, first five games with a guy named Robert Griffin III. With Robert Griffin III.

[Andy Holloway]

The ghost of Robert Griffin.

[Jason Moore]

With Robert Griffin III, Terrell Pryor's fantasy points per game was eight with RG3. Every other quarterback that you gave him, he was over 15 a game. That's probably the wide receiver position.

[Andy Holloway]

Very similar to when Corey Coleman played.

[Jason Moore]

Sure. And you, you've made the wrong connection and I've made the RG3 connection. Look. 140 targets. Yes. You keep bringing that number up and you want to just extrapolate it over to Washington. Maybe he doesn't get 140 targets, but that's not some insane 170 plus number. That's 16 best per game in football. If he's a one, that puts him. He can be a one in the 16th ranked position there and still get a sustainable target number. Pierre Garcon is. I don't think he's ever had double digit touchdowns in his career. He's not a prototypical big type of guy. You see heard Jay Gruden come out this this week and say he's the most unique athlete he's ever been around. Jay Gruden just said that this week. He's working with Randy Moss and Michael Irvin this offseason. He thinks he should have had over 1500 yards. And he's right. With what happened last year, Desean Jackson, I cannot. The biggest thing I can't get behind.

[Mike Wright]

Do you mean Terrell Pryor or Pierre Garcon? You were saying Pierre Garcon is the most unique athlete. Did you mean Terrell Pryor?

[Jason Moore]

100%.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Jay Gruden came out this week and said after working out with Terrell Prior, he's the most unique athlete he's ever seen and he's working with these big time wide receivers. To me, the hardest thing to do is to say he's better or worse than DeSean Jackson or Pierre Garcon. He's completely different. DeSean Jackson has never. He's had one season in his career, which is like nine seasons of over 62 receptions. He's not a high target, high reception type of guy. He's a big play down the field type of guy. And so I'm with Mike on the touchdown totals. Those should rock it up. He's an actual viable red zone option. Pierre Garcon's never been that. Desean Jackson's never been a viable red zone option. Option. He's a down the field type of guy. So for me all the pieces are in place to say I can't imagine him having a worse year in Washington if with 120 targets, I think he outperforms what he did last Year.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I could say this, the top 24 wide receivers. So you know a wide receiver, two last year and half point scoring only two of them were under 120 targets. So you're going to need that. And those two were Tyreek Hill who got a bunch of special teams touchdowns and Rashad Matthews who had that on a sustainable touchdown rate. To me, if you can't, if you can't promise me 120 plus targets, you're not going to be able to wide receiver too. According to my projections.

[Mike Wright]

It's fair. All right. We're going to close the show out with one final name. A name who beats talked about. He's talked about because he was a hot commodity in the draft. Devonte Parker was taken by the Miami Dolphins and he was kind of. He's kind of languished in a land of nothingness. While his counterpoint, Jarvis Landry is force fed targets. Jason and I have him in the low 40s.

[Andy Holloway]

Could be a post type sleeper.

[Mike Wright]

Could be. Yeah. And that's how Andy views Devonte Parker. Jason and I have him in the low 40s. But Andy, is this number still current, this ranking?

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

Andy has him at 29.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And I feel super comfortable with that.

[Andy Holloway]

The Terrell Pryor area. Sorry, go on.

[Jason Moore]

For you.

[Andy Holloway]

20.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. For you. No, that makes sense. No, I'm not like all up in devonte Parker's world. Like I don't think he's the greatest player that's ever played but he's high draft capital guy and he's been an incremental guy. And you know what else? He's a third year wide receiver. I like what Adam Gaze has done with that offense. And when you look at what Ryan Tannehill has done and succeeded with in the NFL and how they have found a way to help him succeed when devontae Parker has at least three catches from Ryan Tannehill. Ryan Tannehill averages four or five little over four more fantasy points per game. So he succeeds. With devontae Parker on the field and with devonte Parker being targeted on a regular basis, I think we've seen some reasons to believe Jarvis Landry no longer needs to be or will be the 110 type of catch guy anymore. And obviously a piece of that's JJ but you go from year one for Devontae Parker. 26 catches, 494 to year two, 56 catches, which is more than double 744 yards this year I have him in the 68 catch range for about 1000 yards. And so that's good enough.

[Mike Wright]

That's a hot take.

[Jason Moore]

That's good enough for him to get up into that 29 range. It's not like this is a late round wide receiver that doesn't have the potential. This is a high investment, draft capital type of guy who we've seen make absolutely huge plays. That's actually been one of the things where Tannehill has thrown the ball up to him and he's gone up and made really incredible down the field catches. To me, I just see a stair step and a stair step still makes him a three.

[Andy Holloway]

I was going to say, you know, I can't really complain or disagree with this ranking. Obviously my ranking says, you know, 48 versus the 29. But you have to keep in mind every single year certain players improve and you have to project them forward. I am not projecting devontae Parker forward, but if he takes that step forward, he's going to be where you have him. That's what's kind of nice about having consensus rankings between the three of us is that when one or two of us actually project that step forward, it's not just getting those repeat numbers of, okay, everybody's going to do what they did last year.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, and so if he does take that step forward, which I do believe a year two in Adam Gay's system with continuity there at the wide receiver position, you know, Ryan Tannehill is exactly to me like devonte Parker. I have statted him to not, not take a step forward just like devonte Parker. And yet there is a decent chunk of me that believes that this could be a step forward year. So I like the fact that our rankings have, you know, that neutral year mixed with that step forward year because.

[Jason Moore]

No, that's a good point. I think a lot of the times when we look at these guys, we're looking at range of outcome possibilities.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

At least with devonte Parker, you have a range of outcome possibility. To me, he's built like a prototypical number one wide receiver. He's in a system where number one receivers have succeeded. I think everybody probably just says, well, the number one is Travis Landry. And you're probably right, but at least that's a possible outcome as opposed to, I don't know if you draft Anquan Bolden or Kamara Akin. You don't have a possible outcome of, you know, top 15 numbers.

[Mike Wright]

And I agree that it's there. Why I don't think devonte Parker is set to have the explosion year is the Agile shift for the team from week five. Forward Ryan Tannehill is throwing the ball 28 times a game per average. And that includes an outlier huge number where they were trailing the whole game and they said to throw, throw, throw, throw. But that's 446 attempts on the season. That's lower than Alex Smith. That's lower than Dak Prescott last year.

[Andy Holloway]

Very low.

[Mike Wright]

And it's. I just that Jarvis Landry is still going to command a bunch of targets. Landry had 131 last year. I still think that he's going to get the predominant share. And they paid Kenny Stills. They want to keep him around. The Miami Dolphins run a three wide set farm a high majority of the time, more than other people in the NFL. But that just leads to spreading the ball around a little bit more. So I feel like Parker and Stills limit each other because it's a run first team and you have just so many options. I mean run first pass to Jarvis Landry first. Ish. And then the other two guys are just afterthoughts. But it'll be interesting to see how will Parker get used because you have his rookie year where he was averaging 19 yards a reception and that's when he was really making those sensational down the field types of catches. But if, if I'm correct, that was not Adam Gase because Adam Gase correct. That was his first year. And the yards per reception dropped down to.

[Jason Moore]

They did. They went from 17 to 13.1.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

The usage changed. Obviously the yardage went up and the catches went up. But that, I mean that's a good point. We'll see what that offense can do. That is it for the. Explain yourself. We will definitely do another one of these. Obviously the big Jason highlighted the key to having consensus rankings and those rankings and projections and all of that. You can find the rankings on the website. You can find the detailed projections at every position in the Ultimate Draft Kit @ultimate draft kit.com and this, here's the nice thing about this and I got an email this morning they said hey, I want to use your Ultimate Draft kit. But I don't really understand everything that's inside of it. Is this something that you're going to ship me? Is this something that I can bring to my draft? This is something that we.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Mike Wright]

And then yes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, we're not going to ship you anything. It's a digital product. But that's what makes this product unique as opposed to buying a magazine in the supermarket is we update this thing almost Daily, if not daily, when things change, when news breaks, when depth charts change, when camp battles break out. You don't have a piece of paper that you can't edit. You have a consensus ranking and projections from three of us who spend way too many hours of the day looking at it, update it all the time. And we have printable cheat sheets with tiers that you can print out, bring to your draft. If you are a fan of that and having that checkbox and being able to have that right in front of you. And if you have a draft at the beginning of August and you have a draft at the end, you can print it out another time because things will have changed and migrated. And there is a ton inside the draft kit, including what I just mentioned earlier, 100 plus player profile videos where we break down. Much like on today's show. You hear these debates on each player. If there's one guy that you're going, you know, I'm not sure about him, you can go listen to that video, see our opinions, see different perspectives on that guy and it's jam packed. You got the reception perception.

[Mike Wright]

I was just going to say we have an exclusive with Matt Harmon's reception perception on our top 50. And if I know Matt Harmon, which I do, yeah, he'll sneak some more in there as well.

[Jason Moore]

He really likes Terrell Pryor too.

[Andy Holloway]

He does. I really like Terrell Pryor. Look, Terrell Pryor is going to be valuable in fantasy next year. If he's as I'm projecting him, a wide receiver three, he's going to get started.

[Jason Moore]

He's not gonna be valuable to my Dynasty team where I got him slotted in as a 2.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, that's your fault, bro.

[Jason Moore]

But yeah, check it out. Ultimate DraftKit.com youm have 14 days left to get it at the cheapest price possible. It's all preorder right now, but it releases June 1st. Thank you for tuning in. Brooks, you doing okay over there?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah, you know.

[Jason Moore]

All right, the best. Thumbs up, thumbs down. Let me see the best part of.

[Mike Wright]

Spending an entire show in you're in full defense. You gotta explain yourself. You know what you gotta do right afterwards?

[Jason Moore]

Get in a fight with the wife. You got to treat yourself okay from treating some Halo top.

[Mike Wright]

Hey, now you're talking. Hey, check out fantasyjocks.com for all your fantasy trophy needs. And you use our promo code. Footballers goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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