Fantasy Football Podcast 2017 - Live MOCK Draft Episode + Draft Strategy

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary: Live MOCK Draft Episode + Draft Strategy (June 20, 2017)

Hosted by Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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1. Introduction

In this engaging episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, the expert trio—Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright—conduct a live mock draft tailored for a two-quarterback (Super Flex) PPR league from the sixth overall pick. Recorded prematurely during their attendance at the Fantasy Sports Trade Association conference in New York City, the hosts dive deep into draft strategies, player evaluations, and team construction unique to this league format.

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2. Evaluating the Big Three Running Backs: Elliott, Johnson, and Bell

Discussion Highlights:

The podcast kicks off with a critical analysis of the "Big Three" running backs: Ezekiel Elliott, David Johnson (DJ), and Le'Veon Bell. The hosts debate the potential pitfalls each player might face, particularly focusing on injury risks and workload management.

• Jason Moore (04:00):

  "If one of these three doesn't produce this year, it's probably going to be because one of them got injured."

• Mike Wright (05:05):

  "Ezekiel Elliott's situation has actually gotten worse... "

Key Insights:

• Le'Veon Bell is identified by Jason Moore as the most likely to "bust" due to his significant workload and history of injuries, despite his high talent level.
• Ezekiel Elliott is discussed as a potential bust not because of his performance but due to diminished involvement in the passing game and offensive line issues.
• David Johnson is acknowledged for his durability but faces questions about workload sustainability.

The hosts agree that all three players have high ceilings but also carry risks that fantasy managers must consider when drafting.

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3. Draft Strategy in a Two-Quarterback Super Flex PPR League

Discussion Highlights:

Shifting focus to the unique dynamics of a Super Flex league, the trio emphasizes the importance of securing multiple quarterbacks early due to the increased demand.

• Jason Moore (01:40):

  "If you are in a Super Flex and you are not playing with the strategy of two quarterbacks, you are doing Super Flex wrong, in my opinion."

• Jason Moore (10:51):

  "There's one of the reasons why late quarterbacks work so well is because of streaming. You can actually play successfully off of the waiver wire every single week and succeed. You cannot do that in a two quarterback league."

Key Insights:

• Quarterback Priority: The scarcity of reliable quarterbacks in Super Flex leagues necessitates early investment in the position. Unlike standard leagues where quarterbacks can be effectively streamed, Super Flex requires depth and stability.
• Roster Construction: Managers should aim to draft three quarterbacks to navigate potential injuries and maximize weekly matchups. This strategy contrasts with traditional leagues where one quarterback suffices.
• Position Scarcity: Tight ends and running backs also experience increased value due to roster space constraints, but quarterbacks take precedence.

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4. Live Draft Picks and Team Construction

Discussion Highlights:

The hosts navigate through their mock draft picks, balancing talent acquisition with strategic position needs.

• First Round Picks (12:48):

  • Andy Holloway: Selects David Johnson as the first overall pick.
  • Other Top Picks: Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers are chosen early, reflecting their high value in Super Flex formats.

• Third Round Picks (18:11):

  • Mike Wright: Chooses Rob Gronkowski, an unconventional early tight end pick influenced by his unique value.

• Later Rounds (20:02 - 44:38):

  • Running Backs and Wide Receivers: The team is built with a mix of high-upside players like Devonta Freeman, Antonio Brown, Sammy Watkins, and Larry Fitzgerald.
  • Quarterback Depth: Matthew Stafford and Carson Palmer are selected to secure the crucial quarterback spots.

Notable Moments:

• Jason Moore on Tight Ends (08:58):

  "The podcast is for everyone. There's the industry and stat breakdown for the hardcore players, humor for those just want to have fun and a sense of community like you were just talking about."

• Andy Holloway on Gronkowski (21:30):

  "Smash Jackson counts as two positions compared to the other tight ends..."

Key Insights:

• Early Tight End Selection: Gronkowski's early selection is debated, highlighting the tension between positional value and roster flexibility.
• Wide Receiver Depth: The draft showcases abundant talent at wide receiver, allowing managers to prioritize stability in this position.
• Running Back Strategy: Balancing between secure RB1s and high-upside RB2s becomes a focal point, especially in PPR formats where pass-catching ability enhances value.

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5. Final Team Composition and Analysis

Final Roster:

• Quarterbacks: Matthew Stafford, Carson Palmer
• Running Backs: Devonta Freeman, Frank Gore, Alvin Kamara
• Wide Receivers: Antonio Brown, Sammy Watkins, Rob Gronkowski, Larry Fitzgerald
• Tight End: Rob Gronkowski
• Bench: Willie Snead, Theo Riddick, Jeremy Macklin, Josh Docks

Pros:

• Strong QB Duo: Stafford and Palmer provide reliable weekly outputs and depth for Super Flex requirements.
• Elite Wide Receivers: Antonio Brown and Larry Fitzgerald offer high PPR value, complemented by Sammy Watkins and Rob Gronkowski.
• Running Back Depth: Devonta Freeman and Alvin Kamara present high upside, while Frank Gore serves as a solid RB2 option.

Cons:

• Tight End Early Investment: Gronkowski's early selection limits flexibility but is justified by his high ceiling.
• Limited RB2 Stability: Reliance on Frank Gore and Alvin Kamara introduces some risk, albeit with significant upside.

Key Insights:

• The team's construction reflects a balanced approach, prioritizing quarterback depth without compromising on wide receiver strength.
• The selection of Gronkowski, despite being unconventional, aligns with the need for positional scarcity in Super Flex leagues.

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6. Conclusion and Key Takeaways

Main Learnings:

• Prioritize Quarterbacks: In Super Flex PPR leagues, securing at least two quarterbacks early is paramount due to the increased demand and difficulty in streaming effectively.

• Balance Across Positions: While quarterbacks take precedence, maintaining depth in running backs and wide receivers ensures flexibility and stability throughout the season.

• Assess Player Risks: Evaluating injury histories and workload potential for top players like Ezekiel Elliott, David Johnson, and Le'Veon Bell is crucial in mitigating bust risks.

• Flex Position Strategy: Leveraging elite wide receivers and versatile running backs enhances the value of the flex spot, especially in PPR formats where reception counts heavily.

Final Remarks:

The Fantasy Footballers deliver a comprehensive and strategic approach to drafting in a two-quarterback PPR Super Flex league. Their live mock draft serves as a valuable guide for fantasy managers aiming to build competitive and resilient teams tailored to the unique demands of this format.

Notable Quotes:

• Jason Moore (10:51):

  "The worst thing we could do here is draft quarterback."

• Andy Holloway (22:11):

  "I want Matthew Stafford here, that would be my pick."

• Mike Wright (47:47):

  "I believe I would take him over Terrence West. Taking him over Alvin Kamara."

For more insights and strategies, join the Fantasy Footballers community at fantasyfootballers.com and follow them on Twitter @theffballers.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

This is hall of Fame and Marshall Falk.

[Jason Moore]

And you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, coming to you from the fantasyjocks.com studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Ah, the Fantasy Footballers back again mock draft episode. Always exciting. That means it's not a real draft.

[Mike Wright]

It's a pretend draft.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a mock draft.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I thought that's where you like.

[Andy Holloway]

Nobody knows more about being mock than Jason, so he will be.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I can lead the show.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the show. Today is Tuesday, June 20th. Now, I sort of am lying when I say that, but you're listening to it right now. Tuesday, June 20th. We are recording this a few days early as we are in fsta, the conference in New York City for the Fantasy Sports Trade Association. So we are up there, recorded this show ahead of time, more than likely.

[Mike Wright]

When I say this word go, that means I'm probably hugging J.J. zacharias.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Just so people, they want to be.

[Jason Moore]

Because you assume the entire trip at New York.

[Mike Wright]

So many hugs. Me and jj.

[Jason Moore]

So many hugs.

[Andy Holloway]

You guys are way too close. But we are recording a mock draft episode today. A two quarterback mock drafting PPR league from the sixth spot. So that's what we're doing on the show today.

[Jason Moore]

And point to the wise as well. This is also a Super Flex mock because if you are in a Super Flex and you are not playing with the strategy of two quarterbacks, you are doing Super Flex wrong, in my opinion.

[Andy Holloway]

Have had several requests for two quarterback mock drafts. And so I tell you that we're recording it a couple of days early because if something happens to one of these players and we draft them like Eric Deckard.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And we draft them and something happens, you know, why? So. All right, quick question of the day one that Mike brought up in the studio recently. He basically said, look, historically speaking, we've been talking all about the big three. Ezekiel Elliott, David Johnson, Le'Veon Bell. Gotta get one of them in some order that you prefer. You got to get one. But historically speaking, one of those three players will bust.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, Say it ain't so.

[Andy Holloway]

And so the quack. The quick question of the day is this, who would it be? Like, we are not projecting a bus for any of these players.

[Jason Moore]

No, we all love all three, clearly.

[Andy Holloway]

But, you know, gun to your head, you have to tell me why one of these three are going to bust. Who would you pick? Who would you bet your house on if you had to bet on one player? Busting of the Big Three.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I think that if one of these players busts, you have. I know it's tough. There's reasons that you could make for any of the three. I could talk about all three and the problems that could come up. But I do believe if one of them busts, it will actually be not because of the quarterback or not because of, you know, a regression in fantasy points, but because of injury. That's what you know, if one of these three doesn't produce this year, it's probably going to be because one of them got injured. And if I have to project that, which I don't like doing, clearly it has to be Le'Veon Bell. I mean, you've got two young guys who come came into the league and Ezekiel Elliott and David Johnson that don't have the workload in the NFL that Le'Veon Bell has and they don't have the injury history that Le'Veon Bell has having, you know, missed considerable portions of the last few years due to a few different injuries, you know, and or suspension.

[Mike Wright]

Now, to be fair, DJ who by the way?

[Andy Holloway]

David Johnson.

[Mike Wright]

You're talking about David Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

Who are you talking about again?

[Jason Moore]

David Johnson.

[Mike Wright]

We're having a conversation with DJ He's a good friend of the show. He's joining us again Thursday.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. David Johnson on the show Thursday. So the David Johnson.

[Mike Wright]

The one and only. But my point was he left last year, the final game, Grade 2 MCL.

[Andy Holloway]

That's one thing we'll ask him about is carrying a heavy workload in the NFL as a young player.

[Jason Moore]

That's what I'm talking about, Mike. He is. You can't injure him. That that hit was. Was tragic looking and just a spring.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, so you're going with Le'Veon Bell. I in fact a report came out recently from Todd Haley, kind of alluding to the fact they will have to at least look at attempting to take Lev Bell off the field if they can.

[Jason Moore]

It's so hard to do.

[Andy Holloway]

But I'll just go from a pure workload standpoint. We know the role carved out for David Johnson and Ezekiel Elliott and we know exactly what Pittsburgh wants to do with Love Bell, which is to feed him the rock all of the time. So all three of these players will not bust if they're healthy. But I'll go with Le'Veon Bell is the most likely to be injured and.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to throw out Ezekiel Elliott's because of any of these players. His situation has actually gotten worse. That offensive line took A few hits and they've. Leary, I believe Ronald Leary. Is that. Is that correct? Brooks? Yeah, he left dart free retired and Lear left for the Broncos and they've tried to patch the Leary hole with Jonathan Cooper. And we can tell you firsthand that that's not a hole that will stay plugged.

[Andy Holloway]

No, that boat's going down.

[Mike Wright]

But also, and I looked up why Ezekiel Elliott was my original. I think if anyone can bust out of this, it's because he wasn't involved in the passing game. Then, of course, news out of Dallas says they're going to try and get him. Oh, do we get the train? Oh, the news out of Dallas is they're going to try and get involved more involved in the passing game. Which means. Makes sense. This is like Todd Gurley his rookie year. They didn't pass him the ball for some weird reason, even though his production profile in college says that he's a great pass catcher. Elliott, great all around and a great pass catcher. But the snap percentage for Ezekiel Elliott over the year was actually 71%. I just did the math. Meanwhile, David Johnson and Le'Veon Bell, they're in the high 80s, high or low 90s for snaps and Ezekiel Elliott was only in for 90% of snaps one time. So if anyone, there's just a couple factors of that. If any of the big three are going to bust, it's Elliott and all the positive game scripts that he had last year. The Dallas defense has gotten considerably worse over the offseason. So that's.

[Jason Moore]

That's my total fantasy. Points scored for Dallas was. Was well above what they usually put out, which I think Pro Football Focus wrote an article on that. So there could be regression in store for the entire Dallas offense.

[Mike Wright]

That could be the new normal. Because new quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

You need to remember this. Todd Gurley was the unbustable last year for people. Well, look, nothing changed with. He did not get injured and he did not have a workload change. So you thought it was an impossibility for him to not be a top five guy?

[Jason Moore]

A lot of people did.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, we'll go with that. We'll go.

[Andy Holloway]

A lot of people did. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I was gonna say he wasn't on.

[Andy Holloway]

The shade, wasn't on the same level as these other guys, but yes. All right, we'll move on. If you want to follow us, we're on Twitter @ the FF Ballers. Check out the show over on Twitter. The website is the fantasy footballers.com and we want to invite you over to join the Foot.com our fantasy football community. You can join more than 10, 2,800 other fantasy football players who are in the community, talking to one another, joining leagues together, offering up some trade advice, keeper advice, all of that. We just had a show last week about how important it is to have a community of people you're talking to. So check it [e-mail] and like Mike said David Johnson on the show on Thursday, do not miss it. From time to time, we like to jump into review from our listeners. We appreciate all of your reviews on itunes and wherever you're listening to the podcast. And so we're gonna go ahead and read one right now.

[Jason Moore]

Reviewasaurus rags. This one comes in from Sassy Veggie from the United States of America. Titled the Smash Jackson of Fantasy podcast. The podcast is for everyone. There's the industry and stat breakdown for the hardcore players, humor for those just want to have fun and a sense of community like you were just talking about. Andy. For those looking for fantasy to be a little bit more than just a game.

[Mike Wright]

I love it.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you. Sassy Veggie.

[Mike Wright]

I love. Those are three pillars that I would be glad to have the show stand upon. But I have a question here.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

The whole concept of Smash Jackson was that we were rebranding something that was kind of mediocre and just giving it a really good name. I really hope that's not what the Sassy Veggie is implying.

[Jason Moore]

That we is that we know that.

[Mike Wright]

We'Re mediocre and we have a really good nickname.

[Jason Moore]

Smash Jackson has taken over a new thing. It's Smash Jackson. The name is the new Chuck Norris.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. The amount of tweets I see talking about how, you know, my entire feed.

[Andy Holloway]

Is filled with mess.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, Smash Jackson once, you know, kicked off the ball and caught it in the end zone for a touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

Smash Jackson is taking over the world. So we hope that Mr. Perkins can oblige or maybe we'll move that nickname around. We may have to. So.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you for your review. As I said, you can do that on the Apple podcast app. Just look up the show. Leave us a review. Positive or negative? Preferably positively positive if you like the show. Yeah, check it out. All right, let's move on to the.

[Jason Moore]

Mock the Fantasy footballers mock draft.

[Andy Holloway]

I did want to quickly remind people, Footclain giveaway.com We're giving away a sign, left Bell jersey, a DFS pass, and a bunch of swag from the show. And there is a little bit of time left before July when We give that away. So head over. All right. Two quarterback mock draft. Man, I love these shows, very popular shows. This time we're going to draft in the six spot two QB mock. Like I said, two running backs, two wide receivers, tight end flex.

[Jason Moore]

Ppr.

[Andy Holloway]

Ppr.

[Mike Wright]

I am imagine or should we talk about this first? Are we?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, let's talk about the format.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. So it's a two quarterback league. Brings up the importance of the quarterback because the supply and demand issue changes. It changes drastically because now there's not just one, there's there's two. However we. When I play a two quarterback league, I still wait. I didn't know. I'm not waiting until you know, the 10th round because I want Alex Smith to be my QB1 now him maybe him as my QB2. That's maybe.

[Andy Holloway]

Is it better to say that you're. And you can correct me, but you're patient with quarterback. In a two quarterback league, even though the supply and demand changes, you're still willing to be patient.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm not going first round quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

And I agree if I'm doing it, usually I'm not going first round quarterback because the value can still be found later with quarterbacks. I mean when you look at the quarterback, 12, 15, 17, as far as average draft position, those are guys I project, you know, at quarterback eight you don't find that with the running back. So by that sense I think you're right that you should be patient draft tier based in quarterbacks. However, there is still a, you know, one of the reasons why late quarterbacks work so well is because of streaming. You can actually play successfully off of the waiver wire every single week and succeed. You cannot do that in a two quarterback league.

[Mike Wright]

Not as easy.

[Jason Moore]

There will be a time or two through the season that a quarterback's going to come up on waivers due to injury or breakout or whatever. Maybe you can grab him but it's not there. You know, at the end of this draft and this is something worth saying, in a two quarterback league you have to end the draft with three quarterbacks.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

You must have three quarterbacks on your team so that you can actually play, you know, the matchup every now and then have you know, a bi week support fill in.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, we're kicking off this two quarterback draft our team is drafting like you said, from the sixth spot. You know who went number one?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, of course, Aaron Rodgers is my guess.

[Andy Holloway]

No, he's a guest on the show this week.

[Jason Moore]

Of course I get, I give. No, not enough credit to the system because my number one pick would have certainly been David Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

David Johnson, number one, Number two, Tom Brady, number three, Aaron Rodgers. So two quarterbacks off the board in the top three, not surprising to me in this format. Lev Bell and zeke, they go 4, 5. Those owners can be counting their blessings. And so first five, you have the big three and two quarterbacks.

[Mike Wright]

Just wanted to jump in real quick, see if you guys are feeling the same way as I am because of how desperately I want one of the big three running backs, DJ Lev Elliott on my team. It almost feels like a letdown that we have to draft Antonio Brown or Odell Beckham. Like that's so ridiculous.

[Jason Moore]

In a full PPR right now we're drafting, you know, at the sixth spot and Antonio Brown, who very well could be worthy of that number one overall pick is there.

[Andy Holloway]

You wouldn't have felt that way if it went DJ Zeke Bell and then two quarterbacks. You'd be like, oh my gosh, Antonio Brown just dropped to me maybe because.

[Mike Wright]

We were one off.

[Andy Holloway]

Bell and Zeke went four, five. You're feeling that let down. That one didn't get to you.

[Mike Wright]

I'm saying even in when the quarterbacks aren't going, you're just like, fine, I'll take Julio Jones.

[Andy Holloway]

Right, right.

[Mike Wright]

Which is such a ridiculous.

[Andy Holloway]

Who's the pick for us here we have the pick. Here we have the big three wide.

[Jason Moore]

Receivers still Antonio Brown, the only, you know, you've got Antonio Brown, Julio and Odell Beckham. And then you do have still of the. Of the rest of the quarterbacks on the board, you have at least elite options at Andrew Luck and Drew Brees. But as we were talking about earlier, I think we'll get much better value waiting. We're not going to replace Antonio Brown. We can replace a Drew Brees who has terrible home road splits.

[Andy Holloway]

Is it Antonio Brown?

[Mike Wright]

And we differ on Beckham and Julio and that rank, but all three of us consensus have Brown at number one.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, Antonio Brown off the board. First man on our roster. Hey, look, two more quarterbacks. Drew Brees, Matt Ryan goes seven and eight. Odell Beckham Jr. Julio Jones, Mike Evans, Lashawn McCoy round out round number one, Andrew Luck starts round two, Melvin Gordon, A.J. green. And a trifecta of quarterbacks. Russell Wilson, Derek Carr, Cam Newton. Guys, there are a number of quarterbacks off the board. Obviously this is something that a two quarterback league is going to face and this is where. But this is where we talked about.

[Jason Moore]

Last episode or last week. We talked about don't Draft afraid. Okay. Some. Some quarterbacks are going. The worst thing we could do here is at this spot is draft quarterback. Because if you look at who's on.

[Andy Holloway]

The board, I don't think I agree with you at all.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my goodness. So let's make the argument for each side then, so that we can kind of understand the logic. So right now, on the board, we could take Devonta Freeman, an absolute elite. He's my running back for, you know, a complete RB1, the only running back in the NFL who's had 2,000 yards rushing the last two seasons. No one else has done that. We could draft him. Or we could draft a guy like a Jameis Winston, a Kirk Cousins.

[Mike Wright]

Did you say 2,000 yards rushing?

[Jason Moore]

Has had two seasons of 1,000 yards rushing? Back to back the last two seasons, we could draft, you know, Jameis, Kirk, Cousins, Mariota. But if we wait a couple more rounds, you know, get in the fourth round, we'll get a Philip Rivers or an Andy Dalton, which to me are virtually interchangeable when it comes to the tiers. Whereas a couple rounds from now when Devonta Freeman and DeMarco Murray, that change.

[Andy Holloway]

If Russell Wilson was on the clock, on the board still.

[Jason Moore]

If Russell.

[Andy Holloway]

If Andrew Luck was still on the board.

[Jason Moore]

Russell. Yeah, I mean, if Andrew Luck was.

[Andy Holloway]

Quarterbacks are going to continue to go, is my point.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

How many teams have already taken one quarterback? That's something that you need to.

[Jason Moore]

I guess what my point is is just when we look at tears and the tier, base, strap drop, I don't think there is. If Andrew Luck was here, which obviously he wouldn't.

[Andy Holloway]

If Andrew Luck was here, I would take him over to Vontifriman.

[Jason Moore]

Sure. And I would have no problem with that because then you're actually getting.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, And I agree. In this situation, the only quarterback to consider for me would be Kirk Cousins, and I'm not willing to take him over to Vonta Freeman.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, my quarterback, like 13. I think so.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, so is Devonta Freeman the pick for you, Mike? Because we have Devonta Freeman, Jordy Nelson, DeMarco Murray, Jordan Howard, Jai, Todd, Gurley, Gronkowski, still on the board here in the second round. Difference making tight end.

[Mike Wright]

It would be Jordy or Freeman for me.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, well, then the pick is Freeman because we already passed on. You know, we didn't get one of those elite three in the first round. And you drafted Antonio Brown. You can fill out another position with an elite talent.

[Jason Moore]

And this is two wide receivers and a flex. Not three wide receivers and a flex. So I think running back is going to be nice. I mean, starting your draft with an absolute stud at both running back and wide receivers. A great, great start.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, Jordan Howard went right after our pick. Then Marcus Mariota, Jordy Nelson, Jameis Winston, Michael Thomas, Jay Ajayi, Ty Hilton, Ben Roethlisberger, DeMarco Murray, Dak Prescott. So four more quarterbacks off the board after our pick here, but we have Devonta Freeman and Antonio Brown, a great foundation. DEZ Bryant still on the board here in the third round. Rob Gronkowski. Kirk Cousins still sitting there. One of our higher rated quarterbacks, Matthew Stafford, Phil.

[Jason Moore]

Daniel Gurley, Lamar Miller.

[Mike Wright]

I feel like the quarterback run is going to cool off here in the next couple rounds. So if I was running this as my own draft, I would still continue to wait even though Kirk Cousins would be a delightful quarterback. One I feel like he could possibly come back.

[Andy Holloway]

The two picks for me are Gronkowski or Gurley. At this position, I'm sure you'll put DEZ Bryant in there.

[Mike Wright]

DEZ Bryant is absolutely in there for me. I was going to throw out, but.

[Andy Holloway]

Gronkowski, sixth pick of the third round.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I was going to throw out Gronk. Just let's see what the team makeup becomes. We're in a two quarterback league. We're taking a tight end early. We're doing some things that maybe seem a little dicey, but you want to get nuts.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you know, it's not nuts to.

[Andy Holloway]

Draft the best tight end in the league in the third round.

[Jason Moore]

One of the difficulties I will say about drafting a tight end in a two quarterback league is just the fact that because now there are three positions that have position scarcity where you've got a, you've got to have depth, you've got to have, you know, that, that, that type of a roster makeup, when you take that tight end early, it will make you a little weaker elsewhere. Usually for me, when I do these two quarterback leagues, I am going like, I completely put the tight end. I'm going to keep run if I use him. If not, then I go.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you see?

[Jason Moore]

I'll go. David and Joku.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you see the career numbers comparison of Grab Gronkowski and Randy Moss?

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

And there's like four metrics where they have almost identical numbers on. It was absolutely incredible. You got to look this up. I wish I could give credit to the right Twitter account. I know Scott Barrett retweeted it, so you might want to. You can pull it up on your screen.

[Mike Wright]

It's Funny, I was just talking to Jason over lunch about the greatness. That was Randy Moss.

[Jason Moore]

Randy Moss. You can reminisce about Randy Moss anytime you want. That's a known fact.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, so where. Jason.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going Gronk here.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, you're going Gronk. Well, I'll go see what happens. To see what happens, I would go.

[Jason Moore]

Girly or Miller, but I understand this is a mock. We can play and see what happens.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, Mike bet correctly. The quarterback run cooled off. Only one quarterback off the board between 306 and 406 cousins, though, and it was Kirk Cousins, Des Bryant, Amari Cooper, DeAndre Hopkins. Back to back to back after our Gronk pick. Then you saw Cousins go off. Then the rookie, Leonard Fournette. Well, that means there's Miller, Gurley, Baldwin, Cooks, Robinson, lynch, and CJ Anderson. So we have a roster right now. Someone. Rita Bay.

[Mike Wright]

We got Devontae Freeman, Antonio Brown, and Rob Gronkowski. I just wanted to throw out really quick. Cecil Lammy was on Twitter and he. He covers a lot of Broncos stuff and he was talking about how great C.J. anderson has looked. So it's just. We're in hype season. I get it. But it's at least it's good to hear that Anderson's looking good right now.

[Jason Moore]

For a guy who last week on the player that I was changing on, he was in consideration for me.

[Mike Wright]

Anderson frequently has bad news given about him during the off season. So to get a positive report about him. Ooh, should he be starting job? Jamal Charles is still not doing anything. Just throwing that out there.

[Andy Holloway]

Here is the per game averages over their career targets. Per game, Gronkowski, 7. Randy Moss, 8 receptions per game, 4.6 to 4.5 yards per game, 69.3 to 70.1 yards per target, 9.9 to 8.8 touchdowns per game, 0.77, 2.72.

[Mike Wright]

So this was. But it was actually just a Scott tweet.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it was.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, Scott, stop invading our show.

[Jason Moore]

The fire tweets out there. But that. That does include all of Randy Moss's, you know, years for the Raiders. Year, year. It was there a couple years. Felt like an eternity, I'll be honest. All right, so here we stand. We got plenty of great players on the board at all three. Wide receiver, running back, and quarterback. Kirk Cousins being the only quarterback that went. That means there's probably about three guys that will finish the year higher than him still on the board.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, get out of here.

[Jason Moore]

I did it. I Still love Matthew Stafford. He's probably top of my list. Philip Rivers, Andy Dalton, we could probably get around later. So when you want three quarterbacks, you take a look at the total quarterbacks left and say okay, if I've got to have three of them, do I like enough, you know, to wait another round? And I'm at the point now where I think I would like to grab one or two of these guys and then wait for the third.

[Andy Holloway]

I want Matthew Stafford here, that would be my pick. I don't want to have no, no viable QB one here. If Stafford went and we didn't take him and Rivers went, I'd be feeling really, really sour having to go with Tyrod or Eli or, you know, Dalton. I'd be okay with that certainly as my 1. In a 2 QB league. You leave yourself open to a lot of risk when you take. I mean we say this all the time generally earlyish quarterback and then you can do the waiting game if you're leaning on Dalton and you get what happened last year, I mean we can like him but you leave yourself up to tons of risk if you're rolling Dalton and wince out there.

[Mike Wright]

I still think Stafford carries a lot of that downside risk like Dalton had last year.

[Andy Holloway]

How?

[Jason Moore]

You're crazy.

[Andy Holloway]

He's 4,200 plus yards for like six straight years.

[Jason Moore]

He's been a top 12 quarterback for the last five years.

[Andy Holloway]

You're going to lose that fight. There's not risk associated.

[Mike Wright]

Last year in the middle of the season, he was very bad that.

[Jason Moore]

No, no he wasn't.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, he's fine.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I'll pull up a game or two that might have been down, but he was. By week six he was the number two quarterback in the league.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he started, he started fantastic from weeks one to six, I mean was second and then from week seven to 13 he was 19.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

In that time period.

[Jason Moore]

That's bad. That's a long stretch of being by week in there.

[Mike Wright]

No, in points. That's points per game.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, well I'll just say that I.

[Mike Wright]

Think Stafford has downside to. By the end of the year he'll probably be a QB one, but he can disappear just like Andy Dalton can. That's.

[Jason Moore]

That was my only one. We have three quarterbacks, we'll be fine. This is just why I would have preferred to grab a running back last round over.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, no, I'm having Gronk regress because I want to take a running back here. But if you want to take Stafford, we can go with that pick well.

[Jason Moore]

We got, we got a 2/3 vote.

[Andy Holloway]

So we'll go Stafford, Matthew Stafford off the board, Ashlyn Jeffrey right after him. Another quarterback, Philip Rivers goes at the 12th spot of the fourth round and we enter the fifth with Isaiah Crowell, Joe Mixon, Jarvis Landry, Devonte Adams and Mike's favorite player, Carlos Hyde. Carlos Hyde. All right, so we're sitting still taking.

[Mike Wright]

First team reps. Gotta believe sitting here.

[Andy Holloway]

With Stafford, Freeman, Brown and Gronk. I like the way that looks in a 12 team, two quarterback league. A lot to fill out here. Sammy Watkins on the board at the wide receiver position. Golden Tate Crabtree. You also have Ingram, Ty Montgomery.

[Jason Moore]

One of the things that shows you.

[Andy Holloway]

In a very thinner running back right.

[Jason Moore]

Now, it's very thin and running back in a PPR league, you know, it's had. We got that other running back. The wide receivers still on the board right now are excellent.

[Mike Wright]

They're juicy.

[Jason Moore]

For a PPR league to be able to get a Golden Tate, Larry Fitzgerald, Crabtree or Watkins, that's incredible. But like you said, the running backs are.

[Andy Holloway]

You have to take unexpiring. You have to take a running back here, in my opinion, because you named four guys at wide receiver. I also see Stefan Diggs, Julian Edelman, love Terrell Pryor. So I think one of those guys that we'll be very content with, we'll make it alongside Antonio Brown will make it back. So what is our best bet at a solid RB2 from Ingram, Montgomery, Ware, Powell, Coleman, Dalvin Cook, Amir Abdullah, Theo Riddick. Smash Jackson is on the board at 31.

[Mike Wright]

Smash Jackson will be on the board for a while.

[Andy Holloway]

Adrian Peterson. Adrian Peterson. Lot of, lot of news out of Saints camp on the hype train about Adrian Peterson.

[Mike Wright]

I just can't buy a ticket right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Understandable, understandable.

[Jason Moore]

So when I look at these guys.

[Andy Holloway]

I just don't want to draft any of them.

[Jason Moore]

And that's, that's how I feel. I agree.

[Mike Wright]

Shut it down. The mock is done.

[Jason Moore]

If, if you're telling me, you know, Frank Gore might be the next best pick, but there's no reason to pick him here because he's not going to go before our next pick. You know, Theo Riddick might be in a full PPR league, as good a pick as Mark Ingram by the end of the year. The difference between all these garbage running backs on the board is a crapshoot.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, Mike, give it a thought what you might like at running back or if you like running back. I'm going to hit the pause button Want to say thanks to our sponsor today? Pristineauction.com youm can see if you're watching on YouTube the Stefon Diggs jersey and the Pristine Auction logo on the wall. We are huge fans of Pristine Auction. They're who we get our giveaway items through. How we cover our entire office and studio with gear.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

I've had some consideration. I'll let you guys weigh in here because you're not going to like either of these names.

[Jason Moore]

Well, what were we doing giving it to Mike.

[Mike Wright]

The two running backs that I would pick from and I'll maybe throw a third one in, there would be Time Montgomery, Amir Abdullah, and then I'll throw in Spencer Ware. But Spencer Ware is just. You talk about an uninspiring pick Spencer Ware. It's. It's tough what to make of him with, with Kareem Hunt in there. Amir Abdullah of course is just. He's. This is projecting of him getting better and Time Montgomery, I think he holds on to that running back one spot for Green Bay. And while he didn't get this the volume towards the or this similar volume towards the end of the season, he still had two games of over 10 targets to get a running back who.

[Andy Holloway]

Has that PPR in him potential.

[Mike Wright]

The last two games of the season, five targets. Five targets. If you take his pace, even without those two monster games, he's still on about a 60 target pace. I just think that Time Montgomery has a lot of upside in a ppr.

[Andy Holloway]

I will agree with you and I think you're rolling the dice on a number of factors with all of these guys. Abdullah with injury, with Montgomery with snap percentage, with Ingram and Peterson, you'd be rolling the dice on who's getting what. You know Al Kamara, doesn't that say.

[Jason Moore]

We should then draft a wide receiver or a quarterback that are good instead of trying to fill out that RB2 and then have flex that could be the running back or wide receiver. If we just grab a great wide receiver and another great wide receiver now, our flex is going to be strong and then we just need to find one plug and play option for running back later.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, I'm caught right in between that world. That's the direction I was thinking before we started talking about Pristine. But who Sammy Watkins doesn't say, oh, I have to take him here.

[Jason Moore]

Sammy Watkins says I have to take him. And the reason why is because he's got that top five upside.

[Mike Wright]

And I agree with that.

[Jason Moore]

And you go, okay, who's the next guy? If it wasn't him, who would I take to? Me. Golden, Tate, Michael Crabtree and Fitz. They're all the same low end ones. They're all great. I would love all of them. I'll grab one of them, whoever's left. But I would take Sammy Watkins.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, we did. We did. You clicked the button with your brain, with your mind. Yeah, there you go. Sammy Watkins. We wanted to partner Rob Gronkowski with somebody else who's familiar with the back of an ambulance. Maybe not. Maybe that's putting it too harshly.

[Jason Moore]

Is Jordan Reed still out there?

[Andy Holloway]

That's not nice. All right, Sammy Watkins, I look all the reports. If you're listening and you have some hope for Sammy Watkins, you should. He's, you know, new offensive system, he's healthy right now. He's taking nearly all the reps at OTAs. I don't even know if he knew what they were before this year. So Sammy Watkins off the board. Pairing it with Antonio Brown. A lot of upside. Missed out on time. Montgomery. Travis Kelsey went off the board.

[Mike Wright]

There's still some guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Andy Dalton's gone. He was my kind of dream q qb2 that I knew wouldn't get around to me after we waited so long. Eli Manning went off the board as well. Jordan Reed's gone. We got Gronkowski 3 6. Wouldn't you rather have Jordan Reed 61 where he ended up going?

[Jason Moore]

I'd rather have Eric Ebron 112 and.

[Andy Holloway]

I would rather you wouldn't take out Jordan Reed. Jordan Reed 61 versus Ebron Lovin 2.

[Jason Moore]

I wouldn't.

[Andy Holloway]

I wouldn't. A heartbeat.

[Jason Moore]

I wouldn't. And it's not because maybe in a.

[Andy Holloway]

Keyboard signature you signed a deal with the Devil on Eric in every draft.

[Jason Moore]

No. The reason why is because I would.

[Andy Holloway]

Rather have no tight end in the 11th.

[Jason Moore]

What I am saying is that if you want to talk to me about what 11th round quarterback and or wide receiver, I'm going to get to pair with Jordan Reed and you look at that combination and say it's the same reason I would never have taken Gronk. Because you're missing out on something when you have to have three, you know, you've got to have multiple quarterbacks, multiple running backs, multiple wide receivers. It makes it tough to take a tight end early. I punt the position to the end of days. Give me David and Joku in the with my last pick.

[Andy Holloway]

One might argue Rob Gronkowski counts as two positions.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Compared to the other tight ends, that might be the argument you had. You had two positions and yes, you will at the end of this draft you are going to be able to look at would I rather have had just like I did just now if I knew Jordan reed was going 6:1 sure. I wouldn't have taken Gronk either. Yeah, and I think the Gronk value was there. But I get everything right.

[Jason Moore]

Your team never looks great when you take a Gronk early. But if Gronk plays a full season, you're in the championship contention.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, so Quarterback options. Right now we're in the middle of the sixth round. Tyrod Taylor, Blake Bortles, Carson Wentz, Carson Palmer, all the Carsons, Ryan Tannehill, Joe Flacco, etc. Ingram still on the board. Powell, Abdullah Woodhead, and. And then a ton of wide receivers that I love. Golden Tate, Larry Fitzgerald, Emmanuel Sanders, Julian Edelman, Stefan Diggs.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, there's. There are.

[Andy Holloway]

If it were. So let me ask you this then. We took Sammy Watkins at the expense of a player we all like a lot. Andy Dalton. You could have had Andy Dalton and Golden Tate could have had Andy Dalton and Larry Fitzgerald, who finished what, top 10 again last year. That might have been a better way to go.

[Mike Wright]

Or we have Sammy Watkins and Carson Palmer and I'd rather have Carson Palmer and Sammy Watkins than that previous.

[Jason Moore]

I think that is a very close. If you told me, okay, this is a trade, who wins. I think it's close enough where it's debatable. However, I would probably rather have the Dalton side. The Dalton side. So here.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you wait. Are you willing to wait for another quarterback?

[Jason Moore]

I'm not. Because if you think about, okay, I need two of these guys. Some are going to go between picks. Am I going to use my next two picks?

[Mike Wright]

Are we going in and or out? I've lost track of the rounds.

[Jason Moore]

Are we on the middle? Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Never mind.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Dang it.

[Andy Holloway]

So we have a full 12 to wait. Crabtree just went before us. Tyreek hill went 6, 5.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, for me, it would be Carson Palmer or Tyrod Taylor or, you know, Larry Fitzgerald. Those would are the three that stick out.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I would go. I would go Fitz or Golden Tate here. I also like Julian Edelman, but do you want to double up on.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to take the quarterback because they're beyond Fitzgerald. Beyond Tate. Edelman's there. Diggs is there.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, there is a lot of depth to a wide receiver.

[Mike Wright]

There are some high, standout PPR guys there who I.

[Jason Moore]

But I think would not be shocked if his point here is that there's so little that you're going to be happy with. Quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, there's nothing. Wentz, Florida, Flacco.

[Mike Wright]

No, see, I. Bortles. I disagree. I'm happy with Taylor. Bortles, Palmer, Tannehill.

[Jason Moore]

I'm happy with Taylor.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm handing the pick off. I'm handing the pick off to Jason.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm gonna let him make the pick.

[Jason Moore]

It's Carson Palmer. Close.

[Andy Holloway]

Carson Palmer was the number three. I believe in passerating over the Second half of the season.

[Jason Moore]

He was actually really good over the second half of the season. He got. He got better as the sixth.

[Andy Holloway]

Look at this little gift we got Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, you're right.

[Andy Holloway]

Carson Palmer, we took him. Tyrod Taylor followed up. Julian Edelman. Carson Wentz, great value on Julian Edelman, in my opinion. In the sixth round, Golden Tate's gone. Ingram finally went.

[Mike Wright]

So did Abdullah.

[Andy Holloway]

So did Abdullah. But still on the board here. Primed for our flex position. Although we need to talk running back as well. Larry Fitzgerald still on the board.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Larry Fitzgerald is there. Stefan Diggs is there. Both of those guys are elite to me in ppr. But you also have Frank Gore and.

[Andy Holloway]

Theo Riddick and Danny Woodhead.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, and Danny Woodhead, you know, Mike Gillislee. This is where I'm glad we didn't take that, you know, garbage level running back. Instead, we waited to just find the value running back.

[Mike Wright]

I'm happy with that decision right now.

[Andy Holloway]

You want to take Larry? I would take Larry. I would take Larry in a ppr. I would take Larry.

[Jason Moore]

Come on, pair him with Palmer.

[Mike Wright]

Double up.

[Andy Holloway]

Double O. You know who will appreciate those two picks? Our guest on Thursday.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, David Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

That's right.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

I was hoping you'd say we're taking Larry.

[Mike Wright]

I apologize.

[Andy Holloway]

We took Larry. You still have Gore on the board? Gore is built for the RB2. Yeah, that's what he. In the factory, on the instructions, it says to create an RB2.

[Jason Moore]

Add. Add some Gore to some Frank.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Add some Gore to some Frank.

[Mike Wright]

Frank Gore. We're talking about, you know, Smash Jackson.

[Jason Moore]

Frank Gore is much more of a. Smash.

[Mike Wright]

Jackson is an excellent running back name.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Frank Gore. My goodness, that is a great name that strikes fear. Frank Gore. I mean, what do you do when.

[Mike Wright]

I'm getting out of the way?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I don't want to draft him here.

[Jason Moore]

You don't want to draft him. Is that genuine?

[Andy Holloway]

It is genuine.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, tell us why.

[Andy Holloway]

I'd rather draft somebody with slightly more ups. Side.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Smash Jackson or Mike Gillison.

[Mike Wright]

There's no way I'm taking Paul Perkins over Frank Gore. You could talk me into Danny Woodhead or Theo Riddick if we're looking at the running back position.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, you want Gore.

[Mike Wright]

Nay. Not now.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me. Let me.

[Jason Moore]

Let me throw this out there. Okay? We've been saying.

[Mike Wright]

I'm so sorry, Frank.

[Jason Moore]

We've been saying from the.

[Andy Holloway]

You know what he is. Here's the picture. You're walking through the store. You're trying to pick out the hot new toy. On the wall and the one in the generic store packaging, it's just called running back and it's just regular font paint packaging. That's Frank Gar. Everything next to it you see the Smash Jackson action figure, you've got a button you can push on it to see how it works.

[Mike Wright]

It's like a Kirkland brand.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so here's what I would.

[Andy Holloway]

Do if it was not into that.

[Jason Moore]

I wasn't listening. I would go since. Since we say that we need three quarterbacks in a two quarterback league, to me there's only one quarterback left, one at all that is in a massive teardrop and that would be Sam Bradford. He's a starting quarterback. He's going to, you know, start 16 games once you get past him.

[Mike Wright]

Well, maybe. Well, I mean we had this discussion at lunch that I consider Brian Hoyer a tremendous quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

3.

[Mike Wright]

I would take Brian Hoyer as my quarterback. Two in a two quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

This is where I would. I'm not trying to fill my roster before taking the right pick, but I sure as heck I'm filling my RB2 before taking a QB.3.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, and, but my point was, and Jason was pointing out well Brian Hoyer just never plays a full season.

[Andy Holloway]

You don't need that.

[Mike Wright]

But to be for him to call Sam Bradford the picture of health. Sammy Biscuits is not one who crumbly makes it through 16 games.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so then is it. Is it Gore? Is it Riddick? Is it Wood? Sure it's to me it would be Gore.

[Andy Holloway]

It's Gore because nobody wants to draft him. I have to click. Are you sure? After I click the draft button. But we'll take Frank Gore. Here's our roster right now, this moment as we head into our, our bench, our depth, maybe some things that. Well, something's going to make Jason happy in a minute. But Matthew Stafford, Carson Palmer, Devonta Freeman, Frank Gore, Antonio Brown, Sammy Watkins, Rob Gronkowski and 100 plus reception target Larry Fitzgerald. That was the 8th round pick was Frank Gore. Now you're around into the ninth round. Ertz off the board, Woodhead gone. But Theo Riddick still sitting there on the board as well as is Sam Bradford. Jason was talking about wanting a third quarterback. Dante Moncrief, Jameson Crowder, Willie Snead, the depth at wide receiver in this draft. Here's, here's something worth looking at, right. Because of the double the two quarterback situation. I think what we saw in this draft is I didn't see a change at the depth available at running back, but I did see it at wide receiver. It seems like the early picks at quarterback gave a lot of depth to the wide receiver position late in the draft.

[Jason Moore]

Right. And you need to use those early picks to get your running backs filled out because there's so few. At this point though, I would go Sam Bradford just like I would last time because in my opinion, I believe he is the last true starting caliber talent left. Otherwise, you're talking Brian Hoyer, Deshaun Watson, Trevor Simeon, Mike Glennon. All guys that I think aren't going to actually be the starter for the whole season. Now, I like Theo Riddick a whole lot more than I like Sam Bradford.

[Andy Holloway]

Why?

[Jason Moore]

Fantasy asset.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me ask you this.

[Jason Moore]

But I also really like CJ Pros.

[Andy Holloway]

Why would you take those four?

[Jason Moore]

Kenneth Dixon.

[Andy Holloway]

The reason you want this third quarterback is for injury.

[Mike Wright]

Not just injury, it's just three matchups too.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, matchup. I mean, you've got to start two guys every week.

[Mike Wright]

And I could be going to play Bradford over one of those guys even if.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I mean, I guess in a.

[Andy Holloway]

Can't see the matchup being streamed that way.

[Jason Moore]

Well, if it was, you know, take last year, Denver. Right. I would. I benched, you know, Drew Brees for other options when it's a true elite, but it is rare.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I mean, you can take. Let's. So let's take a primo. Like a juicy, juicy one. Carson Palmer. I don't have the schedule in front of me, so I don't know if this lines up, but Carson Palmer's in Seattle. Sam Bradford is at home against the Green Bay Packers. Would you go with the better quarterback and the better offense or would you take that matchup that was absolute fantasy gold last year and that could change.

[Jason Moore]

But I'm saying right now that's a wonderful example. And in that I would probably still go Carson Palmer. So your point is well taken.

[Andy Holloway]

And so then the counter of that is, hey, do you want to try to find another option at running back? Because you have three wide receivers. Frank Gore is long in the tooth.

[Mike Wright]

We took Frank Gore.

[Jason Moore]

I forgot.

[Andy Holloway]

But you have Riddick, you have Perkins a starter. You have Blunt a starter. You have Forte a starter.

[Jason Moore]

How do we not take Smash Jackson?

[Andy Holloway]

I would absolutely take Smash Jack.

[Mike Wright]

Not because of Riddick is going over Paul Perkins. Come on, we got to have some.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't you want to take.

[Jason Moore]

I would take the starter.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. The potential hot your third running back. You want to look at a guy like Paul Perkins and say, what is the highest ceiling you love Amir Abdullah. Yeah, I Know, the highest ceiling for Theoretic is to catch the ball 80 times and not carry the ball at all. The highest ceiling for Perkins is to be a three down back on the Giants. A really good offense.

[Mike Wright]

No, there's. I'd see zero percent chance of being a three down guy. Two down guy, baby. Goal line.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, so you're just looking at it like, okay, Perkins is two down. Riddick might. Might as well be two down. I'll play some second and definitely a lot of third.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, but he's a pass catching back on a pass first offense.

[Jason Moore]

I would.

[Mike Wright]

I would 100%. If we're going.

[Andy Holloway]

I need.

[Mike Wright]

We need apples. I'm going Brooks.

[Andy Holloway]

We need some.

[Jason Moore]

I'm definitely on the Theo side. Oh, Theo.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Whoa, whoa.

[Andy Holloway]

Those jokes were so great.

[Mike Wright]

That's a little too.

[Andy Holloway]

I can't even make a joke about Theo. Not a constable.

[Mike Wright]

Nope. Not anymore. Not anymore.

[Jason Moore]

Table.

[Andy Holloway]

He took those away from us.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. No jello jokes. No pudding pops. Let's go on with the show.

[Mike Wright]

Moving on with the Theo.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, all right.

[Jason Moore]

Skip it up.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, we'll move down.

[Mike Wright]

Don't make me scat, man.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, well, look it.

[Mike Wright]

It's your.

[Andy Holloway]

It's your lucky day again. Only one quarterback off the board. DeSean Watson. Sam Bradford still here in the 10th round. We're rounding out this roster at this point. You could talk me into it, but look, Willie Sneed.

[Mike Wright]

Willie Snead.

[Andy Holloway]

You still have Jonathan Stewart.

[Jason Moore]

You know, Willie Snead is in my 20s for a PPR ranking. He's a wide receiver too. To get him in the ninth round.

[Andy Holloway]

I love that we've talked to you. Hey, look, you don't have to say anything else if as long as I'm not drafting Sam Bradford right now, I'm a happy man. The debate is over. Willie Sneed's been drafted.

[Jason Moore]

I'm glad we.

[Mike Wright]

Funny is.

[Andy Holloway]

Sorry, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

I feel like we are. We did take. We took two running backs. We almost have a Frankenstein quasi zero running back thing going on here.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Fair.

[Jason Moore]

So we went one rb. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Until. And we waited very long. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

On accident. Mike Wallace. Devonte Parker. Off the board. 10:09. Sam Bradford. I'm sorry. He's moved on. As has Trevor Simeon and Brian Hoyer. Some people grabbing the last few starters. Just like I tried to tell Jason, Mike Glenn and Jared Goff. If at this point. Are you just taking one of those to have a third.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, so you're just punting.

[Jason Moore]

I'm punting.

[Andy Holloway]

You're waiting to Sign that third streaming bi week.

[Jason Moore]

Cody Kessler if you know, with my last pick.

[Andy Holloway]

Or DeSean Kaiser in week four when he becomes a starter.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, once. Once you miss out. I mean, you can't play afraid. We say you have to have three quarterbacks. These are one of those, you know, an air quote rule is not in stone. It's a helpful guide when. When we want three quarterbacks. That doesn't mean that you go ahead and draft Jared Goff because you have to have one and leave, you know, Eric Decker or John Brown on the waivers. That'd be okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me throw this out here for you. And maybe now is not the time, but I want to keep your eyes on Terrence West. We know he has a very good early season schedule against the run during the time in which. In which Kenneth Dixon is suspended. We have a team where you may even want to play. If Terrence west had a good week one, you might play that matchup for Terrence west above a Frank Gore.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Depending on this on the week.

[Mike Wright]

But both Frank Gore and Riddick. I don't know if I would.

[Jason Moore]

I could.

[Mike Wright]

Very well, you can.

[Andy Holloway]

You have Joe Williams, young rookie available. Alvin Kamara.

[Jason Moore]

To me, the two guys I want are Alvin Kamara and Terence West. I want those.

[Andy Holloway]

I want another running back here. I really do. I want another running back to add to the.

[Jason Moore]

I'm saying I want both of those guys. So which one is making it back to us?

[Mike Wright]

Which two?

[Andy Holloway]

Terrence west and Kamara. They'll both make it back to us. Forte still on the board. Some people might say, why not take Forte?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I would. Why not?

[Jason Moore]

Would you take Forte over Terrence west and Alvin Kamara?

[Andy Holloway]

Mike's making this pick. We got to move on, finish this draft out.

[Mike Wright]

I believe I would take him over Terrence west. Taking him over Alvin Camara. Just for the upside in a ppr. In a PPR this late.

[Andy Holloway]

Make the pick, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

I don't want to take a running back, though.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to make bad jokes if you don't take a. Take a pick.

[Mike Wright]

Do I have to take a running back?

[Andy Holloway]

I think yeah, you do.

[Mike Wright]

Fine. Then I will take Alvin Kamara.

[Andy Holloway]

Alvin Kamara. Welcome to the team. Welcome to the team, Alvin. All right, we are. Alvin was another.

[Jason Moore]

We got two more bench spots.

[Mike Wright]

I'm more happy with this pick if he brings his chipmunks.

[Andy Holloway]

Alvin, no.

[Jason Moore]

Simon and Theodore will.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

We'll do great for our team.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll just stop.

[Mike Wright]

I got a smirk for me.

[Andy Holloway]

I just stop. Where I'm going. All right. We are here in the 12th round, actually seeing defenses start to pop up here. Tyro Williams goes in the 12th.

[Jason Moore]

Terrence west is gone.

[Andy Holloway]

Terrence west is gone. Yeah, I thought he'd get around for sure. All right, John Brown.

[Jason Moore]

John Brown is still there.

[Mike Wright]

Jeremy Macklin is still there.

[Jason Moore]

Jeremy.

[Andy Holloway]

John Brown or Jeremy Macklin? I take John Brown in a heartbeat.

[Mike Wright]

I would take Jeremy Macklin.

[Jason Moore]

I would take Jeremy Macklin as well. And coming from the John Brown treasure.

[Mike Wright]

He'S outvoted, so he's trying to outsource.

[Andy Holloway]

You would take Jeremy Macklin? Do your rankings reflect that?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Who did? Brooks.

[Mike Wright]

Absolutely.

[Jason Moore]

Who would you be taking?

[Andy Holloway]

Macklin.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So we have to draft Jeremy Macklin, and I don't know if you guys care yet since you have fits already. Does that factor into that?

[Jason Moore]

I'll go. Not much, because if they both play well, then you can start them in the same week. And I don't feel like those are the type of players where if one goes down, the other gets a boost. They've all got. They've got their own role kind of carved out.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, guys, last pick of the draft. Last pick of the draft. You want to grab a third quarterback option? I don't see anybody available.

[Mike Wright]

Read off the name so everyone can vomit.

[Andy Holloway]

Tom Savage, Mitch Trubisky, Josh McCown, Paxton Lynch, Brock, Oslo, Jimmy. All right, there's nothing.

[Jason Moore]

McCown will start. Okay. I would probably, by the time that we would, you know, think about, okay, maybe we move him in. He looked good.

[Andy Holloway]

Week one, he would already be not going to play.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, he'll start week one the way.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't. I don't think so. I think the way that the jets have proceeded through this tank epotamus of an off season, all they keep saying is they want to see the young guy. They want to see the young guy. They want to see the young guy. Which is the.

[Mike Wright]

Is it Hackenberg or is it Tom's brother?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, you can't decide between two young guys. Your odds of having a young guy player, even higher. I just. Why. Why play Josh McCown to lose? He might help you win.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Josh McCown helps win more than Bryce Petty.

[Andy Holloway]

There's no way that they don't want to see these young guys throw to all the other young wide receivers and talent. Just my. I mean, my take on the matter is Josh McCown is actually just going to be there to help a young guy be better.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And I agree, but that's just narrative and speculation. We have to. The Team is saying Josh McCown's the starter right now. So I would draft Josh McCown if.

[Jason Moore]

As if he were the starter and you know that. I get that. I don't think he'll be around. I would. There's still plenty of wide receivers I really like, but you don't get to.

[Andy Holloway]

Pick any of them because I just took a guy to finish our draft.

[Jason Moore]

All right, who do we draft?

[Andy Holloway]

Josh Docks. We took Josh Docks with the last pick of the draft. High upside player. We have a DST and a kicker.

[Jason Moore]

Spot left the best kicker first.

[Mike Wright]

Well, maybe now if this was, if this was a live draft, this is where in my rules allowed it. I would say I'm not taking a defense. I'm going to draft Josh McCown.

[Jason Moore]

There you go. And you just hold on. And I would also take. So this would be the situation and I.

[Andy Holloway]

We did not have to draft a kicker or a defense, so I took Josh McCown.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we did it.

[Jason Moore]

Then if that's the case, then let me just make the argument the next pick should be Robert Turbin. Because while we say don't draft handcuffs and that makes sense because you're going to drop them in week one if it doesn't work out. But if I'm going to drop him already before the season, what happens if old man Frank Gore comes up lame in the off season?

[Mike Wright]

You're saying if you were drafting right now, right? Like, not that we're not pretending to be an August.

[Jason Moore]

Exactly. Okay, that's.

[Andy Holloway]

So you would. If you're drafting now, you take turban because you would want to. If tomorrow Frank Gore goes down with an acl, at least you got the guy roster.

[Jason Moore]

Our draft grade will probably be terrible because we don't have a kicker or a defense, but who cares? Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So. All right, that is it for today's two quarterback mock draft. A lot different than what we're used to, obviously with the two quarterbacks. Fun to talk through those things.

[Jason Moore]

I hope everybody learned what I already knew, which is if you're in a two quarterback league, punt tight end to the end.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know what's our.

[Andy Holloway]

I really like our team. I do.

[Mike Wright]

I really like the final roster. Go.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm a.

[Jason Moore]

Pull it up. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Who was on the board?

[Andy Holloway]

Matthew Stafford.

[Jason Moore]

When we got Gronk.

[Mike Wright]

It doesn't matter. We got Gronk.

[Andy Holloway]

Matthew Stafford. Carson Palmer.

[Mike Wright]

Sorry.

[Andy Holloway]

Matthew Stafford. Carson Palmer. Devonta Freeman. Frank Gore, Antonio Brown, Sammy Watkins, Rob Gronkowski, Larry Fitzgerald with a bench of Willie SNEED. Theo Riddick, Jeremy Macklin, Josh Docks and Alvin Kamara.

[Jason Moore]

That's a pretty good team.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we're a little weak.

[Jason Moore]

Our running back depth.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not worried about it in a PPR situation.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, if. If Grunk's playing 13, this team is a monster.

[Andy Holloway]

I agree. I agree. So that is it for today's show. Thanks for tuning in again. We'll be back next week. Oh, yeah, this is Tuesday, right? I have to remember when we pre record, this is Tuesday. Hope you're enjoying your Tuesday. Hope you had a great Father's Day. I know I did.

[Jason Moore]

Monday yesterday was fantastic for you.

[Andy Holloway]

I hope Monday yesterday was very good. Thursday.

[Mike Wright]

What is happening?

[Andy Holloway]

David Johnson on the show. Do not miss it. I'll tell you this. Here are some highlights from the interview. We asked him about Todd Gurley. I challenged him to a battle of some sort.

[Mike Wright]

Is fisticuffs. I don't know. You'll have to listen.

[Andy Holloway]

The injury and we asked him about John Brown. We asked him about a number of things. Great interview. Do not miss it. Jason, you look like you were going to say something.

[Jason Moore]

I was. It was. As we were talking about how this is, it dawned on me that people can listen to this after Tuesday, this very well could be Thursday. It could be any day of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

Hope you had a wonderful Wednesday.

[Jason Moore]

Wonderful today.

[Andy Holloway]

Wonderful today.

[Mike Wright]

Whatever you're doing, your lives are just fabulous.

[Andy Holloway]

I think we're done with the show, guys.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that sums it up. You can follow the draft along on YouTube.com fantasy footballers. And if you want, you know, a championship belt because you got a hashtag football title, go to fantasy jocks.com promo code footballers.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

Bye.

[Jason Moore]

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