Fantasy Football Podcast 2017 - Mid Round Madness + Maaailbag!

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast 2017 - Mid Round Madness + Maaailbag!
Release Date: May 23, 2017

The Fantasy Footballers Podcast episode titled "Mid Round Madness + Maaailbag!" delves deep into the strategies and player evaluations crucial for excelling in fantasy football drafts, particularly focusing on the mid-round picks (Rounds 4-8). Hosted by Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright, the episode offers insightful analysis, robust discussions, and practical advice to help fantasy managers build competitive teams.

Introduction

The episode kicks off with the hosts light-heartedly bantering about 90s music before transitioning into the main topic: Mid Round Madness. Jason Moore introduces the segment by explaining their goal to identify two standout players each from rounds four to eight based on Average Draft Position (ADP).

Mid Round Madness: Player Analysis and Strategies

Frank Gore: A Value Proposition

Jason Moore revisits last year’s success with Frank Gore, who was drafted in the seventh round and outperformed expectations by finishing as the 12th overall running back. Although critiques about Gore's age and limited elusiveness persisted, his consistent performance made him a reliable mid-round target.

Jason Moore [09:29]: "Frank Gore is all of what you say he is, but the thing is he'll finish 12, right?"

Andy Holloway emphasizes Gore's enduring value, likening him to "an honorary Frank Gore," highlighting his reliability despite skepticism.

Joe Mixon vs. Leonard Fournette

Andy Holloway presents Joe Mixon as a premier mid-round pick, arguing his potential to surpass top running backs like Christian McCaffrey and Leonard Fournette. He underscores Mixon’s talent and the Detroit Lions' investment in him, despite concerns about competition from teammates Gio Bernard and Jeremy Hill.

Andy Holloway [10:00]: "Joe Mixon to me is a guy that is a great, great mid-round value guy right now."

Jason Moore challenges this stance, suggesting that Mixon might not hold his ADP and probing Andy on his confidence in Mixon sliding to earlier rounds.

Jason Moore [11:45]: "What if he's a mid 4th round pick? How comfortable would you be?"

Andy maintains his confidence, asserting that Mixon's upside justifies the risk in the mid-round slots.

Wide Receivers: Terrell Pryor and Larry Fitzgerald

Jason Moore advocates for Terrell Pryor as a top mid-round wide receiver, citing his high target share and potential to break into the top 12. He meticulously breaks down Pryor’s previous performance and his potential to ramp up production in Cleveland.

Jason Moore [14:19]: "I think it's very easy for me to see that total doubling. I think 8 is a realistic total for Pryor."

Andy Holloway counters by highlighting veteran Larry Fitzgerald as a reliable PPR (Points Per Reception) machine, noting his consistent high reception numbers despite being perceived as undervalued.

Andy Holloway [23:56]: "Larry Fitzgerald, he's got no Michael Floyd. He has to be used in this offense and he's being drafted right now as a wide receiver three in the PPR ADPs."

Jason contends that Fitzgerald’s proven track record makes him a safer bet compared to Pryor, who, while talented, carries more upside but also more risk.

Quarterback Strategy: Andrew Luck

Jason Moore introduces Andrew Luck as an unconventional yet promising mid-round quarterback option. Projecting Luck at the fifth round, Moore argues his consistency and matchup-proof performances make him a valuable pick, especially compared to higher-priced quarterbacks like Drew Brees.

Jason Moore [26:56]: "I think this is the year where I am all in on Andrew Luck and just to add a little bit more fuel to that fire..."

Andy agrees on Luck's potential impact, noting his past championship-winning performances when drafted and emphasizing the importance of securing a top-tier quarterback in the mid-rounds.

Running Back: Amir Abdullah

Mike Wright champions Amir Abdullah as a mid-round running back steal, praising his versatility and the Detroit Lions’ offensive improvements that could maximize his usage. Despite concerns about his injury history and past performance issues, Wright believes Abdullah's upward trajectory makes him a valuable pick.

Mike Wright [20:29]: "I think is an absolute steal because he can't get game scripted out. He can catch the ball. Maybe Riddick's a little bit better at it, but he can still be involved in that."

Wide Receiver: Michael Crabtree

Mike Wright also highlights Michael Crabtree as the top mid-round wide receiver from the Oakland Raiders, arguing that Crabtree's consistent target volume and red-zone opportunities make him a superior choice over more hyped players like Amari Cooper.

Mike Wright [30:29]: "I just going to hold back and say fine, I will take Michael Crabtree, I will take the guy who has proven it for multiple years."

Listener Mailbag: Addressing Fantasy Football Concerns

The hosts transition to the Mailbag segment, where they tackle various listener questions:

1. League Commissioner Issues

   • Stephen from Oceanside, New York City inquires about handling a league with a discontented commissioner wanting to increase team size from 12 to 14.
   • The hosts advise ensuring majority support for league changes and suggest leveraging a waiting list of co-owners to maintain league integrity without succumbing to unilateral decisions.

2. Draft Strategy: Skipping Kickers and Defenses

   • Hunter asks about the viability of not drafting kickers and defenses early to prioritize depth.
   • The consensus is to prioritize offensive positions and fill in defenses and kickers later via waivers, emphasizing flexibility based on league rules.

3. Sleeper Definitions and Selection

   • David from Western New York seeks advice on defining and selecting sleepers.
   • Andy recommends focusing on players with breakout potential post establishing a reliable core team, while Jason and Mike provide their perspectives on targeting undervalued players in later rounds.

4. Tyreek Hill’s Fantasy Value

   • Cody from San Antonio questions the hype around Tyreek Hill given his previous season's performance.
   • The hosts debate Hill's potential upside against his consistency issues, ultimately leaning towards valuing established performance over speculative high upside.

5. Two Quarterback League Strategy

   • Oscar from the Philippines inquires about quarterback selection in two-QB leagues.
   • The panel discusses balancing the need for reliable starters with positional depth, suggesting strategies like securing one solid QB early and targeting high-upside QBs in subsequent rounds.

Notable Quotes

• Jason Moore [09:29]: "Frank Gore is all of what you say he is, but the thing is he'll finish 12, right?"
• Andy Holloway [10:00]: "Joe Mixon to me is a guy that is a great, great mid-round value guy right now."
• Jason Moore [14:19]: "I think it's very easy for me to see that total doubling. I think 8 is a realistic total for Pryor."
• Mike Wright [20:29]: "I think is an absolute steal because he can't get game scripted out. He can catch the ball."

Conclusion

The episode wraps up with the hosts reaffirming their mid-round targets: Joe Mixon, Larry Fitzgerald, Terrell Pryor, Andrew Luck, Amir Abdullah, and Michael Crabtree. They encourage listeners to utilize these insights for their drafts and engage with the Fantasy Footballers community for ongoing support and updates. The rich discussion provides fantasy managers with valuable perspectives to optimize their mid-round selections, balancing proven reliability with high-upside potential.

Key Takeaways:

• Mid-round picks are crucial for building depth and securing high-upside players without overpaying early in the draft.
• Balancing risk and reliability is essential; players like Frank Gore and Larry Fitzgerald offer consistency, while prospects like Joe Mixon and Andrew Luck present significant upside.
• Engaging with league dynamics and understanding positional strategies, especially in specialized leagues like two-QB formats, can provide a competitive edge.
• Listener questions highlight common draft dilemmas, offering practical solutions and fostering a community-driven approach to fantasy football success.

For more insights and strategies, join the Fantasy Footballers community at jointhefoot.com and follow them on Twitter @Ffballers.

Transcript

[Unknown Speaker]

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[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from the fantasyjocks.com studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, happy Tuesday.

[Andy Holloway]

Wasn't sure if you were going Macarena.

[Mike Wright]

That's where I was gonna go.

[Andy Holloway]

Certainly sounded like it.

[Mike Wright]

Ye. Hey, Michael Brainer.

[Jason Moore]

No, I wasn't. Although I did watch a really. I watched about 20 minutes worth of a 90s YouTube playlist.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh.

[Jason Moore]

So I went through a bunch of those old songs.

[Mike Wright]

The 90s slow jams. That's where it's at.

[Jason Moore]

What like, boy. Some in.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yes.

[Jason Moore]

Mariah Carey, of course. No Spice Girls for you, Mike. Were you a Spice Girl?

[Mike Wright]

I spiced up my life plenty.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Any Mike and Jason back again. Great episode. Mid round madness on the show today. We are each identifying two of our favorite players between rounds four and eight right now, based on adp, that's average draft position. So guys that are being drafted between the fourth and the eighth round, some of our favorites. And I'm going to say right now, these two guys are likely to be on my favorites list all offseason.

[Mike Wright]

Thanks, Andy.

[Jason Moore]

Aren't you happy to hear it?

[Andy Holloway]

I see what you did there, Mike, and I appreciate it.

[Jason Moore]

I did. I didn't see what you did. I missed it.

[Andy Holloway]

He was. That's funny. You still haven't caught up? No. Mike was saying that you were insinuating that these two guys being Mike and Jason are going to be on your favorites.

[Jason Moore]

You know, compliments of you two are so outside the bounds of what's realistic to my comprehension. I didn't catch it at all.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. It's a party in here.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, here's a quick question. What are some suggestions to get more trading done in your leagues? It comes in off of Twitter from Greg Armstrong7895. Man, there's a lot of G Armstrongs out there. That is a lot he says in his league everyone wants to be the clear cut winner. And so I'm guessing that not a lot of trades get done. So what are some suggestions that you might have to get more trading done in your league? I'm sure this is a question for a lot of people.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh yeah, I mean, we get this question all the time and I think it's a really important question because if you've got a stagnant league that you just can't get anything done with, it dies off. If that's the case, do a draft only best ball league or something like that. But here's a tip that I think is a really important, valuable tip to get more trades happening. And I got this one from one of our writers, the fantasy footballers, Michael Winrich. He brought up the fact that usually when you have a lot of trades going, it's because there's needs, there's needs to plug on certain teams. So let's say you're in a 10 team league and you've got the normal starting roster, everyone's good. And so if you want to incentivize having more trades, have a deeper starting roster, maybe add a flex position or something like that to where more players in the player pool are actually active and then you can see certain teams going, I need more depth. I need to do one of these two for ones or I need a star. I've got the depth. That's one way. I think that could help leagues that have a major problem with it get over it. And they might just enjoy the strategy of having an extra flex position regardless of trades.

[Jason Moore]

That begs the question that popped into my head when you were talking about that, Jason, Would that stand to reason that having DL spots hurts the potential for more trades?

[Mike Wright]

You mean IR spots, Mr. Baseball?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah, I was talking baseball. IR spots iron.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think so. Because I mean, no matter what, if you're putting a guy there, it's because he can't make an impact for your team. And so in that situation, you still need to go trade for a guy. I don't think that would make a difference.

[Jason Moore]

Couple other suggestions. I don't traditionally believe that the trade blocks that are in the different systems tend to work. You need to get your trade needs, your trading block out in front of everybody in the league in a very public way. So we always love having a Facebook group or something of that nature. Slack or some of these older programs where you can say, hey, I'm looking to trade this guy. I would also say that your thought process there saying, hey, everyone wants to be the clear winner. Well, when you approach a trade, you need to approach it from the perspective that you're going to make that other guy think he's the real winner. So I think.

[Andy Holloway]

And if it's a good trade, sometimes they are. I mean, it's not always one person lopsided. You know, you've got to look at the other team and say, what do they need? Sometimes I see these trades come across, it's like, why would I do that?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Their team is four crappy players and I need one all star.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

Did you not know this?

[Andy Holloway]

No. It's always the case.

[Jason Moore]

Mike, did you have anything to add or shall we move on?

[Mike Wright]

No, let's move on.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. You guys have a good weekend.

[Andy Holloway]

Spectacular weekend, anniversary weekend. 12 years with me and my beautiful wife Tiffany.

[Mike Wright]

Congratulations.

[Andy Holloway]

Thanks.

[Jason Moore]

That sounds fun.

[Andy Holloway]

It was a good time.

[Jason Moore]

How's your hole, Mike? You got a big hole in your backyard.

[Mike Wright]

Putting a pool in everybody.

[Jason Moore]

How's it coming?

[Mike Wright]

It's, it's when you're, when you're out there with a shovel, it's slow work.

[Jason Moore]

It's very hot in Arizona. We went up north for, for a day to avoid the heat, so. All right, if you want to follow the show, we're on Twitter at the Ffballers on the fantasy sports network on YouTube. You can subscribe over there, which I highly Recommend. The website's thefantasyfootballers.com and the fantasy football community with brand new community forums.

[Mike Wright]

Brand new.

[Jason Moore]

That is jointhefoot.com and that's big news. Yeah, we do. We have brand new community forums. We're all about bringing the fantasy football community together to have fun, to join great leagues together to debate hot topics.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, you want to talk trades or talk, you know, dynasty or talk whatever, just go to the fantasy footballers.com click that forum. We're on it.

[Jason Moore]

Boom.

[Andy Holloway]

Everybody's on it.

[Jason Moore]

Everybody. Everybody who's anybody's doing it. Yeah. All right, no news and notes today. So we're going to jump right into the mid round madness. Let's do it.

[Andy Holloway]

This is blasphemy. This is madness.

[Jason Moore]

All right, players from rounds four through eight based on the current average draft position, where they're going right now. Obviously the rookies have landed some of this ADP is starting to settle for, you know, the end of May, that is the end of. Oh, gosh, I hate it. So interestingly, last year Frank Gore was on Jason's list of mid round madness favorites. Now I'm going to read to you what Jason wrote last year. Is this. Have you read through this? Am I good to read it?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah, it should be.

[Jason Moore]

So he wrote this last year. Gore was going 704 last year. So the fourth pick of the seventh round because Frank Gore disrespect, right. Finished number 12. Jason said, yeah, he's old. He's like really old. That's why he's dropping to the eighth round. The Colts were widely expected to bring in an RB to help through the draft and instead they brought in no. 1, et cetera, and he ended up number 12.

[Mike Wright]

Wait, are you sure that's last year or is that this year?

[Jason Moore]

It might be this year now. They did. I mean, they drafted Mack.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Marlon. But Marlon Mack is not a.

[Jason Moore]

He's a. He's a placement.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's not a replacement for Frank Gore.

[Andy Holloway]

He's an auxiliary. When I look at what I wrote last year and where he was being drafted and what his role is going in, I literally came into this show thinking I might just use exactly what I wrote last year. Keep Frank Gore, who last year ended it at the 704, this year even better at the 706. And we know, you know, he has a chance to finishes that RB12 overall because it's just what Frank Gore does. He's a great value in here's what.

[Jason Moore]

I'll say and the argument against Frank. Frank Gore, everything you would try to argue against Frank Gore, you're going to be 100% right about. He's very old and he's not elusive. In fact, according to Pro Football Focus is elusive rankings, he was second to worst, the second worst least elusive player in the league behind Dwayne Washington. So Frank Gore is all of what you say he is, but the thing is he'll finish 12, right?

[Andy Holloway]

He still did last year with that rating.

[Jason Moore]

He was still not any of the things that you thought you wanted in a running back and yet finished 12. So he's not one of the picks this year. I just had to highlight it because I'm going to put Jason on the spot to kick this off. And obviously he hit a home run on Frank Gore last year. So he's going to hit a home run for you on.

[Andy Holloway]

Not only am I going to hit a home run last year on Frank gore at the 704, but this year's mid round madness is also being drafted at the 704.

[Jason Moore]

For now.

[Andy Holloway]

Is it fate or is it Joe Mixon? Joe Mixon to me is a Guy that is a great, great mid round value guy right now. If you want to draft a rookie, you want to draft a rookie running back because those are the positions that every single year you end up with, you know, one or two multiple top running backs. You had Jordan Howard and Ezekiel Elliott this last year. Now sometimes it costs you that first round, second round value like with Ezekiel Elliott and you're going to get that this year. If you want Leonard Fournette, he's going in the third round. But I mean people are like, well, is he going to catch passes? Is that offense going to be any good? We know he's going to get the ball and I like him a lot. But my number one, you know, projected running back when I was finished doing all the stats for rookies was actually Joe Mixon. He was ahead of Christian McCaffrey and ahead of Leonard Fournette. All the news right now seems to be that they are intending to make him the leader of the group there you've got Gio Bernard coming off his ACL and Jeremy Hill coming off two years in a row of really ineptitude. If he's not on the one yard line and they're not happy with him. They had to ask permission to the owner to take the risk to put themselves out there in the second round to get Joe Mixon. They, they are as a, as a team invested into Joe Mixon talent wise. Nobody denies that Joe Mixon is extremely talented. And when I look at the seventh round, okay, I got six other guys already on my team. I don't. If he ends up just being in a three way timeshare, so what? But his upside is as, you know, a top 10 running back.

[Jason Moore]

Let me, let me put you on the spot here though, because it's not realistic if things trend the way they do for Joe mixon to be 704. So how, how much do you stand by Joe Mixon if he slides all the way up to barely, you know, barely being in this mid round madness? What if he's a late 4th round pick? What if he's a mid 4th round pick? How comfortable would you be? Because I believe his, I mean it's unrealistic to think 704 is where Joe Mixon is going to go if off season camp and preseason say, hey, Joe Mixon's going to have a big role and you made all the right points because Gio Bernard is coming off the acl, he's got a bit part mixing can catch the ball. Everything's trending that way.

[Andy Holloway]

I will agree with that. I mean, right now he's going around or two behind Ty Montgomery, Rob Kelly, Blau Powell, Mike Gillisle. He'll probably jump ahead of those guys.

[Mike Wright]

Certainly will.

[Andy Holloway]

So the question to me is, where is he still a value? And I would say what you said, Andy, the back of the fourth. To me, you know, basically if I've got four other really good players, which, you know, if you're at the back of the fourth, you can make that determination to use that, you know, after the turn where you're getting an early 5th round pick. I would put enough stock in Joe Mixon's talent to say I'm taking that risk because the upside is what you're not finding from most other backs. You know, round five and on even a Frank Gore, maybe he can be that RB1 or near there, but he doesn't have that upside to say, wow, he took over the league. He came in and pulled a David Johnson or a Jordan Howard or whoever.

[Jason Moore]

Leonard Fournette, Joe Mixon. Let's say they're both handed the keys to the Castle. You're sitting there, beginning of the fourth, they're both on the board. Who are you taking if they're both.

[Andy Holloway]

Handed the keys to the Castle? I'm definitely going with Joe Mixon because you have a much better proven offense that every year has high value running back fantasy production. And if it ends up being all in one person, then it's, it's a clear winner.

[Jason Moore]

All right, I guess I'll go now. I'm going to go with Terrell Pryor. Jason, you probably don't know this. I have an affinity for Terrell Pryor.

[Andy Holloway]

Well aware.

[Jason Moore]

Going at 405 right now. There are some wide receivers. By the way, that's the 20, 21st wide receiver off the board. So it makes sense for me, somebody who has him ranked much higher than 21, to like him in the middle rounds. Now there are some wide receivers going ahead of him that I like less. Like Keenan Allen, Tyreek Hill, Devonte Adams, Sammy Watkins, DeAndre Hopkins. I would take Pryor over all of those guys. I'm gonna make the case, I'm gonna make it a little different way to you.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

Because for some reason I just feel like I'm always talking to you with Terrell Pryor. But here's the reality to me, we've talked all about the target share was very high in Cleveland and we will concede that reality. It's 140 targets and Jason's done a good job of breaking down. Why he does not believe trial Pryor will get another 140 targets.

[Mike Wright]

I agree with Jason that he won't.

[Jason Moore]

Last year there were 14 touchdowns between three wideouts. Okay, so Jameson Crowder, he had seven, which I think is a bit high for the slot receiver type of Jarvis Landry type of guy. And then seven went between D. Jackson, Pierre Thomas. Mike's also made the case.

[Andy Holloway]

Pierre Garcon.

[Jason Moore]

Sorry, Pierre Garrett. Did I say Pierre Thomas?

[Mike Wright]

He did. He was back.

[Jason Moore]

Mike's also made the strong case, I mean 4900 plus yards for cousins. He had a bit of a low touchdown total. So for me, I believe there are 16 to 20 available touchdowns to wide receivers in that office. Now last year Pryor couldn't score in Cleveland. He had four touchdowns. To me, I think it's very easy for me to see that total doubling. I think 8 is a realistic total for Pryor. A guy who is very big. You look at his player profile or comparison, it's DEZ Bryant. These two guys are built the same. Both dominated the slot route. Here's something interesting I wanted to share with you, Jay. Targets in Cleveland were awful, okay? The catchable passes. Kirk cousins had the six lowest percentage of bad passes in the NFL. You know who was 24th and 36th? That's Josh McCown and Robert Griffin III. That's basement level. Here's one last point that I really like about Terrell Pryor and his potential to be a top 12 type of wide receiver. Last year he had 32 downfield targets. Nine were catchable balls according to Pro Football Focus. So only nine. He caught eight of those nine passes. Desean Jackson in Washington with Kirk Cousins had the same amount of downfield targets, 32, 18 of them were catchable. So on the same amount of downfield targets you moved to Washington and you had twice as many catchable passes that you did in Cleveland. So I think it's a few stair step type of things. And the other thing I love about Pryor is that was year one. So if you believe in the talent, the athleticism, something that I personally do, I think you could get at the 405 a guy that ends up in the top 12 and so he's 1, he's my mid round favorite. I don't necessarily think he's going to move from this spot either because those five guys I named, there's reason for people to say, okay, maybe they start liking Josh Dachshund. They don't move Terrell Pryor up. He's a Mid round favorite for me.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And I'll just speak on this really quickly because obviously last episode we had the splain yourself where I have Terrell Pryor at wide receiver three. That's where he comes in. I think right now he actually moved to 29. So moving up, there's got to be.

[Jason Moore]

Enough weeks left for me to inch that up one week at a time.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think someone actually fell behind him. It wasn't so much him raising up, but what I want to say, which is in defense of Terrell Pryor, is those are the projected rankings of what I truly believe will happen, but they don't take into account the upside. And what you just described is the upside. He can certainly, you know, if his touchdown total were to double, he has the talent to do something that other guys that might be in that same 30 range, they don't have the talent to say, oh, well, you can be a top 10 wide receiver. Terrell Pryor certainly has that talent physically. So if you want to take that shot on him there, then your case holds water.

[Jason Moore]

Now, what is the saying we're going to move to Mike. Fool me once, shame on you. Yeah, fool me twice.

[Andy Holloway]

You can't shame a shamer.

[Jason Moore]

Mike. Mike has decided to reroll three times, right? Well, he's reroll is this year three, you're saying.

[Mike Wright]

Well, it's very possible. I believed in him all three years.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you've chewed but choosen wrong.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I'm jumping back on the Amir Abdullah express.

[Jason Moore]

How much of that is so you can play the sound effect with your mouth.

[Mike Wright]

Play. Play it with my mouth.

[Jason Moore]

So you're going Amir Abdullah 6:07 right now in ADP.

[Mike Wright]

The nice thing about Abdullah are when you jump on Expedia, the tickets, the cost of the tickets has come down. People have been a little bit disappointed at what Amir Abdullah has offered and I cannot dispute that things have been a little bit disappointing for Amir.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Because you paid big money for that train last time and it took you into the mountains right where it shot you.

[Mike Wright]

But the thing about Amir Abdullah is by you guys as well now, Amir Abdullah, for whatever reason is now injury prone. And when you think of Amir Abdullah, you go, well, that guy, he gets hurt all the time. He didn't miss a single game in college. He played all 16 games as a rookie. He just missed last year. He had an unfortunate foot injury and he got knocked out for the whole year. So it's bizarre to me for when a guy like that has been proven with workload that all Of a sudden, he's injury prone. And I think it's just because how big he is. He's not the prototypical 220 type of running back. He is a little bit undersized, but they don't use him.

[Jason Moore]

Year one was the fumbleitis. Year one was four fumbles, two lost. Had to keep leaving the field because of that. And so it just.

[Andy Holloway]

There was.

[Mike Wright]

Joy Bell was also there and he was still the veteran who was getting the workload and everything.

[Jason Moore]

You're right.

[Mike Wright]

Things are a lot different now for Detroit. It's Amir Abdullah and now his name.

[Jason Moore]

Theoretic, center theoretic.

[Mike Wright]

They've upgraded their offensive line. They brought in free agents. Ricky Wagner, who was considered by a lot the best right tackle in free agency. T.J. lang is going to play guard. They did not draft a running back. He's week one last year. Yeah, he missed the whole season, but week one, over 100 yards from scrimmage. He's a tremendous athlete. They are a very high scoring offense. He's a great pass catcher. And that's what they do in Detroit. They run through the air. And we've seen it with Riddick and we saw it with Abdullah. To start the year, he had five receptions. Week one in the back of the sixth round. A guy who and I had all this prepared before the blurb broke today saying that the Detroit Lions official website feels like the team may be getting Amir ready for a featured role. So maybe we're getting even more touches than I had first anticipated. But all these touches, a guy who has the potential to be a high end running back too, in my opinion, in the sixth round, I think is an absolute steal because he can't. He can't get game scripted out. He can catch the ball. Maybe Riddick's a little bit better at it, but he can still be involved in that. So I love him going in the. In the back of the sixth round, he will be a guy who I am targeting in every single one of my drafts.

[Andy Holloway]

At least you're getting a starter there who has flashed talent and, you know, big playability.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, there are things that, you know what it kind of reminds me of, and maybe you'll probably hate the comparison because I would, I would. C.J. spiller. C.J.

[Mike Wright]

Spiller, that's fine.

[Jason Moore]

You know, there's a difference between drafting that guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Very few guys you can believe in year after year after year after being let down. As a perfect analogy to C.J. spiller.

[Jason Moore]

All right, I'm going to kick it back To Jason. Before I do that, I want to thank today's sponsor, great friends of the show, Pristine auction.

[Mike Wright]

Look.

[Jason Moore]

Last episode on Thursday we told you about some of the items that we had just picked up on pristineauction.com and you guys went nuts. You went and checked it out [e-mail] look, hundreds of daily sports memorabilia auctions, authentic gear. I am browsing the daily auctions right now. I'm seeing everything from a Barry Sanders signed custom frame jersey to Peyton Manning cleats to this really cool Tom Brady signed full size helmet with this curved display case with this picture of Tom Brady back behind it. You've got things spanning all the sports. So you have some Steph Curry. If you're into the NBA playoffs right now, you can check that out. There's memorabilia across a ton of different genres. Everything from comic books to celebrity gear to boxing and then hundreds of football items that are just great and filling up our studio here. So check them out. That is pristineauction.com p r I s t I n e auction.com when you log in and and you sign up to browse the auctions which is all free. It's all free. It's all free. Just let them know that the fantasy footballers sent you. All right, Jason, I'm going to kick it back to you. You had Joe Mixon with your first mid round madness favorite and now I'm.

[Andy Holloway]

Going to go the opposite approach, which is my normal approach when it comes to mid round.

[Jason Moore]

Definitely not a rookie.

[Andy Holloway]

And go for the old man because usually, I mean, just like last year with Frank Gore, it's the old people who get it done year after year after year. But once they hit a certain age, which is usually around that 30, if you're a running back or a wide receiver, you just start getting disrespected and nobody wants to be the person to draft them when they're done. And because of that they fall in value. Can I go ahead and interest you in last year's wide receiver who was the year Prior's wide receiver? Seven. Okay. Two years in a row he has been a top 12 wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

7 11.

[Andy Holloway]

And he's open all the time, man. And that is. That is currently being drafted as the 28th wide receiver off the board. That is old man Larry Fitzgerald in PPR leagues he led the NFL in receptions. He is not done now. This year will be his final year. He doesn't want to end up playing till he was 40 most likely. Oh sure, okay.

[Jason Moore]

I would say about 90% chance now?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I would say 99. But sure. Regardless, he is not done as far as when you watch the film and you see, okay, has he lost it? Has he lost his ability to really go out there and game to ball? He has not. He led the league last year with 107 receptions. He had 109, you know, the year before. This guy's a PPR machine. And here's an interesting thing that is very silly but also very real. Now I'm not giving fantasy analysis here.

[Mike Wright]

That is, you're actually putting this on the show.

[Andy Holloway]

I am putting this on the air because it's fascinating to me. I'm not calling for it.

[Mike Wright]

What are we gonna do?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, J. Grizz FFL weighing in. So when I was looking up Larry Fitzgerald and I wanted to see, okay, what do I think his touchdowns are going to do? Do I think they're going to bounce back this year? You know, because last year, even though he was still a wide receiver one, he only had six touchdowns. But every other year of his career, dating all the way back to rookie season, if it's an odd year, he's over 8, he averages 10 and in the even years he averages 6. So I'm just saying it's time for a bounce back. It's 2017. It's odd. Larry Fitzgerald, he's got no Michael Floyd. He has to be used in this offense and he's, he's being drafted right now as a wide receiver. Three in PPR in those, those were the PPR ADPs.

[Jason Moore]

Well, and it's an odd year.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly. Andy.

[Jason Moore]

No, look, when you bring up Larry Fitzgerald As Cleo Advice 20, 28th. Well, he's had his dreams before that he shared with us. So that we'll just throw that in there. Look, you look at 28th wide receiver out the board for Larry Fitzgerald at 511 and the 21st wide receiver off the board trial Pryor at 405. I don't see a good justification not to take Larry Fitzgerald over Charles Pryor. In that situation. You save around and a half and you get a player that's finished in the top 12 two consecutive years that's.

[Andy Holloway]

A PR monster and most of his.

[Jason Moore]

Career as well that scored double digit touchdowns, I believe five times in his career might be more than that.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, how many odd years has he played?

[Jason Moore]

Oh goodness. That's the question. Oh goodness. All right, we'll move on from Ms. Cleo. I look, I'm going with Andrew Luck. I'm going with Andrew Luck and it is a rarity. If you've listened to this show for a quarterback's name to drip off my lips as a guy to draft and Andrew Luck's shocking Andrew Luck is going at 5:01 the fourth quarterback off the board and I'm telling you I'm finally willing to take an earlier than normal quarterback, a potential number one quarterback in round five. I'm not paying the Rodgers, the Brady, the Ryan premium. I'm getting Andrew Luck here in the fifth round and I'm going to make a point to you. Now I believe Drew Brees is going at 508. So you might say, hey, why don't you pick Drew Brees? He's a little bit better value. He's always in that top 12. I'm going to tell you why because he's a sure thing every single week. Andrew Luck is matchup proof when he's played against top defenses, Houston, Kansas City, Denver, Seattle as good if not better performances. Fantasy wise he is home and away proof in his five years he is exactly the same pretty much between home and away and I mean like down to like percentage points. He is beginning and end of the season proof. If you compare how he starts and how he finishes same production, I don't think you see a quarterback that is the better combination of value in the draft with consistency week to week the kind of every single week you're going to outperform your opponent unless they're wielding an Aaron Rodgers or maybe a Tom Brady on the right week. I just think this is the year where I am all in on Andrew Luck and just to add some a little bit more fuel to that fire, you throw out his injury played year right. The final ranking on that year is inconsequential because he didn't play half of it in his four healthy years. He's finished 10th his rookie year then 61 4. So there's my case I think at 501 I'm finally ready to do it. I want that stalwart quarterback and he's the only one I'm willing to spend that pick on unless I'm going to wait on an Andy Dalton or Philip Rivers or somebody later in the draft. Matthew Stafford. But for me, Andrew Luck mid round target, I think he's going to be that for me all offseason unless he starts climbing up the rankings. And he's got look you got Kamar Akin coming in there, a healthy Dante Moncrief for now and Ty Hilton who he's absolutely since Hilton's been in the Lineup he's dominated with Ty Hilton and you know Philip Dorset said he's a new and improved Philip Dorsett today.

[Mike Wright]

Philip Dorsett is of no consequence.

[Jason Moore]

No he's not. But what do you guys think about Andrew Luck?

[Andy Holloway]

I think that you know Andrew Luck has finished as the quarterback one before and he won people fantasy championships when he did that. If you are grabbing Andrew Luck in that fifth round and he ends up as that number one quarterback then you will be right.

[Jason Moore]

We have talked about Andrew or Aaron Rodgers in the back of the third before.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. And for me, you know I would disagree. I've got a three point total on the year difference in how I'm projecting him and Russell Wilson who Russell Wilson's going two rounds later and that's probably if I were to pick a mid round madness quarterback quarterback it would be Russell Wilson. But really here's the truth. When you grab those middle round guys you absolutely have to have them be one of the best two quarterbacks to make sure that that gap between the rest fits in for what you're giving up in the fifth round. Andrew Luck can do that, has done it and if he does it again you're not going to be sad. I think if he finishes as the quarterback four you're going to go I wish I just got, you know, streamed the position or got a late guy, you know in the eighth, ninth, 10th round and had a better pick in the fifth round.

[Jason Moore]

Mike, who is your our last mid round target before we grab some listener.

[Mike Wright]

Questions, the last guy I'm going to throw out here is the number one wide receiver on the Oakland Raiders.

[Jason Moore]

Amari Cooper's not available in the fourth round.

[Mike Wright]

No, because Michael Crabtree is the number one wide receiver until proven otherwise. And you can get him two rounds later than this hypothetical that Amari Cooper is going to provide you this year. The last two years, 2016, Michael Crabtree was the wide receiver 18 last year, wide receiver 11. Over the last two years he is averaging nine targets a game. He is heavily utilized. He is heavily utilized in the red zone, in the 10 zone you have Derek Carr who has improved every single year. He should easily be a 4,000 yard 30 plus touchdown quarterback. And usually for those kinds of guys you have to pay top top dollar for their wide receivers. But the general public thinks that's Amari Cooper. And to me I'm just going to hold back and say fine, I will take Michael Crabtree, I will take the guy who has proven it for multiple years. And I'm making jokes about Amari Cooper, he certainly could take that jump. But it's known production in Michael Crabtree at the back of the fourth. Here are other guys going around Michael Crabtree in the fourth round currently Tyreek Hill, CJ Anderson in the adp. I looked up Drew Brees, Keenan Allen Pryor, who Andy Loves, Adrian Peterson, Latavius Murray, Doug Martin, Jarvis Landry. I mean there are massive questions and there are ceilings that are down on a lot of these players. Except here's wide receiver 1 Michael Crabtree just hanging out at the back of the fourth who I will gladly take.

[Jason Moore]

The question has never been asked here on the show since his signing. But do you foresee any potential 10 zone and in implications of Marshawn lynch on that offense and anything to do with Crabtree and how he'll be targeted inside the tin zone because you have a proven goal line back in Marshawn.

[Mike Wright]

Lynch, what the TAVI's have 1212. So I mean, yeah, I think we're good.

[Andy Holloway]

That's exactly what I hope for that production is the fact that they did run inside that, you know, inside the 10 zone last year. I do like your pick in Michael Crabtree and I want to bring up another thing that we had a show last year, maybe we could bring it back this year again and actually I think this show can't do it. I think this show was two years ago. You guys will have to remind me where it was. Always underappreciated guys. And we looked back historically at guys who no respect. Yeah, it was the Rodney Dangerfield episode and.

[Jason Moore]

And you do a pretty good riding danger feed.

[Andy Holloway]

I tell you, I get no respect. But the thing is when guys are a little bit older and they outperform their adp, we found that and we looked up the data. It was a constant thing. They would do it a year later and a year later. It happened every year with Jordy. It happened every year with Fred Jackson. It happened every year with Frank Gore. It happened every year with Michael Crabtree, Danny Woodhead.

[Jason Moore]

I throw Doug Baldwin over the last two years absolutely into that category.

[Andy Holloway]

Once you for some reason just don't have that, you know that that luster to your name or that upside ceiling glisten is gone. That youth, whatever it is when you, when you don't have the athleticism, whatever it is, if that, if there's a reason to undervalue you, it's going to happen year after year after year. And the guys that actually get it done on the NFL field, they just keep doing it.

[Jason Moore]

Do you under. Do you kind of identify with that problem.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, absolutely. I think, because I still always outperform everybody, but.

[Mike Wright]

But you've lost for Michael Crabtree, in my opinion. It's completely. It's the narrative. Like, he came in, he was an extremely high draft pick. He held out, I think, into the season. He. He fit the mold of the wide receiver diva who people just dislike, and he underperformed. And then he underperformed. Eventually, he started building some traction with Kaepernick, but then he got hurt and he burned people and it was okay, we are done with him. But he bounced back. He bounced back with production, but it doesn't matter because people have already solidified. My opinion on that guy is I don't like him and I'm not going to use him on my fantasy football team. It's. We talk about being water in the draft. You have to be water with your opinion on guys here. Like, I'm not a big fan of Todd Gurley. I didn't like him so much coming into last year, and my opinion on him for this year is, you know, I'm not looking forward to it. I don't have high expectations for him, but if he comes back and he looks great again, I'm not just going to stay in this. Well, Todd Gurley's. I think he's terrible. It's. You have to update your opinions as things change. There's new information. I have a new opinion. You know, it's fine.

[Jason Moore]

I've seen you soften on, you know, the Carlos Hydes of the world.

[Mike Wright]

Right. It.

[Jason Moore]

The Jeremy Hills, the guys. You. You can have a dream in fantasy football, but it can't stay a dream forever. You got to face reality. Unless you want your team to stink.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. So it's. Don't be afraid to say, oh, this is what you were in. We can be very vocal, too. I mean, we're in front of microphones disparaging people of what we think their fantasy value is. Sometimes you get it wrong. And instead of just Freeman. Instead of just. Yeah, devonte Freeman. And I'm on board. I think Freeman's great now, and I don't just sit in my filth and not change it.

[Jason Moore]

Do you think, by the way, do you think Freeman and Cousins, either of them sign an extension this offseason?

[Andy Holloway]

I think devonte Freeman does. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to go on record. I'm going to project a Kirk Cousins extension this offseason.

[Mike Wright]

It wouldn't.

[Jason Moore]

I think it's going to happen. Yes, they can. July 15th is kind of.

[Andy Holloway]

The 49ers can extend Kirk Cousins this year. That blows me away.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Joe Mixon, Larry Fitzgerald, Terrell Pryor, Andrew Luck, Amir Abdullah, the Abdullah Express, and Michael Crabtree.

[Andy Holloway]

An honorary Frank Gore. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I was saying, I've got an honorary one too at 611 golden. Tate is an honorary.

[Andy Holloway]

It was between him and Fitz for me.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. If I had three picks, Tate would have been in there. So we're gonna answer some listener questions.

[Andy Holloway]

Mailbag. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Well done, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

Well done. Some people, they wonder are the mailbag drops live. They're all live.

[Mike Wright]

Every time.

[Jason Moore]

Always.

[Mike Wright]

We got.

[Jason Moore]

We're almost to 400 shows only. They're all bag.

[Andy Holloway]

Only the mailbag vocals are live. I want every time we do a mailbag.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, you want the guitar?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm gonna have to pull out a guitar on his lap.

[Mike Wright]

Then I'm gonna need a full band.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, we're gonna. Let's.

[Mike Wright]

Can we get a house band that just. They sit there in case we do.

[Jason Moore]

Like a late night show? You can rip on. Brooks plays guitar, just so you know.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, well, this is.

[Jason Moore]

Brooks plays guitar. He should be pulling it out over there.

[Mike Wright]

He strikes me as a saxophone.

[Jason Moore]

You know, a lot of people get.

[Andy Holloway]

The roots in for like one shot.

[Mike Wright]

That would be so sweet.

[Andy Holloway]

That'd be awesome.

[Jason Moore]

Just take over the mics, guys. A lot of people have been saying on YouTube, they say, I wonder what Brooks looks like.

[Mike Wright]

You'll never know.

[Jason Moore]

What's Paul Giamatti? Paul Giamatti. Come on, man. We're going to keep throwing actors out there, but they're all gonna be ugly. Alright, if you have a question for the Fantasy Footballers podcast, go to the website, the Fantasy footballers dot com. Go to More. Click the Submit a question button or you can dial our voicemail hotline. We love voicemails, they're great. Just call us 302-4464, TFFB. Leave us a voicemail. It's even better if you mess up the first time and then you fix it on your second call. Alright, here's a question from Stephen in Oceanside, New York City.

[Andy Holloway]

New York City.

[Mike Wright]

I don't think it's Oceanside, New York City. I think it's Oceanside.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I mean, yeah, you're right. You got it. Nailed it. I just kind of wanted to say city. Our commish left last year, but now he wants back in.

[Mike Wright]

Ooh.

[Jason Moore]

As of right now, the deal on the table is to bump from 12 to 14 teams, but roughly half the league doesn't like it. The Other option is to not bring him back altogether and put him on the waiting list. Our old commish also refuses to renew the league if he does not get back in. Come on. What should we do? So I liked everything about trying to get him back in until I found out what you were doing it.

[Mike Wright]

I'm fine with the expansion, but the league has to be on board, at least the majority. If this is a long. I mean, you left.

[Jason Moore]

You left the league.

[Mike Wright]

You do not negotiate with terrorists. I love Michael Keaton, but I was fine with Andy if. If he wants back and I. We all make mistakes sometimes. You leave a league like, oh, man, that league was great. I need to get back in there. But you cannot threaten them. And if you came to me with that threat, you would be. You'd be out.

[Jason Moore]

I put you on the waiting list. And I'd constrict the league to 10, so you gotta wait longer.

[Andy Holloway]

I would immediately start making a new league page and inviting the other ownership, that. That being said, to help you out. Steven in Oceanside, New York City. What we've done in our league a lot of times is our waiting list is comprised of co owners. So if he, you know, if. If the league doesn't want to expand and someone's willing to say, hey, come co own with me this year on the waiting list, then you're kind of in the league and you're the next man up.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you can go to the draft, participate. Trade talks. That is the way to do it.

[Andy Holloway]

Co owners are great.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I agree. And you can blame them. You can blame your cone when something goes wrong.

[Mike Wright]

Scapegoat.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, Brooks, you want to be my co owner?

[Jason Moore]

All right. You were a good lady in the water Hunter in Cleveland. So my league is a bunch of college student athletes, and we like to do our draft before everyone goes off to camp, AKA we drew our draft early. All right. Is it a viable plan to not draft a kicker defense just to have some depth in case someone gets hurt before? Why, of course it is.

[Mike Wright]

Absolutely. We talk about this every single year. Know your league rules. If your league rules do not explicitly state you have to leave the draft with a kicker and defense, sometimes it's great. Don't draft one. Hold on to those guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Or even more Flyers if it does. If it says you have to, just.

[Mike Wright]

Draft them and drop them.

[Andy Holloway]

Draft them and then drop them and pick up other options throughout the camp. Because who cares what defense and kicker you have by comparison of, hey, I've got this camp, you know, Battle guy. That could come out on top. Who was sitting there on waivers. There's a great article by Ryan Weiss. Rethink your strategy. Don't draft a defense. If you want to look into it more on the fantasy footballers.com youm could check that out.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I love this, Hunter. Make it. Make it happen.

[Jason Moore]

David in Western New York, could you explain your draft strategy for drafting sleepers? For example, how many and what rounds?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, I don't have a rule book of this many and these rounds are exactly where I go. But I will say this. When I look at my team, I need to make sure I have, you know, enough plug and play reliable. Michael Crabtrees, Larry Fitzgerald's, if you will. To where I am confident that my team is not going to be an abomination. And then after I have enough people to kind of plug in those roles if need be, everything is sleeper, upside, breakout, huge potential. I don't need to. I don't really fill, you know, the. The back half of my roster with very many Terrence Williams middling guys. Exactly. Terrence Williams guy.

[Jason Moore]

I was never draft because face Mike made when I said Terrence Williams name.

[Andy Holloway]

He's had opportunity. He's had opportunity to have upside and he's proven he doesn't have it. So go get someone. You know, I'd much rather have a Josh Docson, who.

[Jason Moore]

Sure, that's a sleeper.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, maybe he ends up as a top 10.

[Jason Moore]

How do you define a sleeper, Mike?

[Mike Wright]

Sleeper is just, you know, because I.

[Jason Moore]

Think that matters to how you answer the question.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's. For me, it's anybody just after the eighth round that most people are not paying attention to or maybe people are, but you got to grab them early. So I'm thinking my strategy is 8th round, once the 8th round hits, gonna take guys with upside.

[Jason Moore]

All right. We'll have sleepers in the Ultimate Draft kit, which, by the way, is only nine days away from being released. So you can get that at ultimate draft kit.com at early bird pricing for nine days. And then it's. Well, then it's for sale at the regular price at regular. It's not gone at Day Bird.

[Andy Holloway]

Then it's actually available?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Then it's there. All right, let's go do Cody in San Antonio. What is with all the hype surrounding Tyreek Hill on Fantasy Calculator? He is going at pick number 41. I understand the upside with his involvement in special teams, but what jumps out to me is that last year he only had 593 receiving yards and six receiving touchdowns. Would you take him over other people near this pick? And I brought up a couple of these names. So did Mike Michael Crabtree, Leonard Fournette, Larry Fitzgerald, Terrell Pryor, Isaiah Cruella. I want all the guys you named over Tyree Kill.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm not huge on Hill. I understand it's there. You kind of, you saw it last year. It's, it's sometimes very difficult to argue with a guy. What did he finish?

[Jason Moore]

I mean he was, he was like 13, I think.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Depends on the score.

[Jason Moore]

Here's the reality and here's what I've come around to on Hill. Because if you listen to me on this offseason, I like Tyreek Hill and I do think Andrew Reed will be creative with Tyreek Hill in the offense. But the Kansas City offense, it only has so much oomph. Right. If you had this kind of production from Tyree Kill and he was playing for the Green Bay packers and you told me you're going to get him more involved, I could believe you easier because I know that the volume, the passing volume, the involvement, it would be. Look, you could have a quarterback controversy in Kansas City this team year. I'm not projecting it. Alex Smith has been solid, but the solid Alex Smith hasn't been enough for that team. You could have mid season Pat Mahomes coming into the lineup much like Colin Kaepernick usurped Alex Smith. This might Smith being just fine for San Francisco, but you could have that kind of thing happen if the defense is carrying the team and the offense isn't producing. And then all of a sudden you're sitting there going, boy, I've got a part time wide receiver with special team skills and a new quarterback. The risks involved with Tyreek Hill outweigh the ones for Crabtree, Fitzgerald, Prior Corral and four set to me and where you think but his range of outcomes like you brought up with Prior, Hill could be very high. If he gets more passing yardage. He could be very high.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. The problem I have, I've shared my strategy in the past that I don't go risk in those first few rounds.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

The reason why is because when you're, when you're grabbing a guy who is being drafted as the 15th positional player off the board, they basically have to come in at that level in order to not be a disappointment. So that's why I go the lacking risk route so that you know, I can hedge my bets on the disappointing early round guys and then swing for the Fences. As my draft goes on and my roster safe.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, you have a rush, two rushing touchdowns, 68 yards, 70 yards. Can he do that again?

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Mike Wright]

Is he going to do that again? Probably not. And I'm playing with the probability here that he won't. So I'm not going to pay up for him in drafts.

[Jason Moore]

Mike's also made the point that if you don't get points for special teams touchdowns credited to your player, which our league does, a lot of leagues do, a lot of leagues don't, that could have an effect on where you actually value Tyreek Hill. Obviously, if you're in a return league, Tyree Akil might be a top five wide receiver in that league. Here's a question from Oscar in the Philippines.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, bonjour.

[Jason Moore]

Having a two quarterback league. How early do I take my first and even my second quarterback? Love your podcast, Year Round listener. Well, thanks for listening, Oscar.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Two quarterback league. Well, you hear us talk about late round quarterbacks, but that all changes in a two quarterback league.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, well, a little bit for me it opens the door to you could take a quarterback in the first and I'm okay with it. I still personally prefer a lev DJ Zeke Even the elite wide receivers, I'm still going to take them over my first quarterback. But the way I handle this is I want a known quarterback. I want at least one of them.

[Jason Moore]

He doesn't have established.

[Mike Wright]

It doesn't have to be Aaron Rodgers, it can be Philip Rivers. It can be one of these guys who are a little bit later in the QB1 pecking order and, but then later on in the draft I'm going to take a second, a third and maybe even a fourth because your streaming goes out the window. That strategy is just not available as, as readily. There's still going to be people showing up on the waivers that you can pick up if you want, but you most likely just want to make sure you're taking a platoon of guys that you can play the matchups with.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I would say that's the biggest strategy change for me. When I'm in a normal draft, I draft one quarterback almost always. I mean if there's, if there's some situation where I don't either, either there's just an unbelievable value or I don't like the quarterback I have. You know, I waited so long I want to. But usually in a redraft league I've got one quarterback leaving that draft. If I'm in a two quarterback league, I want three starting quarterbacks. You know, I don't, I don't want one of those starters to be Jared Goff.

[Mike Wright]

Hopefully, if you can avoid like our fantasy pros dynasty team, well, we had.

[Andy Holloway]

A certain strategy play to win now.

[Jason Moore]

All right, that is it for today's show. We'll be back on Thursday with more good stuff, including an extra episode on Thursday for JoinTheFoot.com supporters. Want to thank everybody out there for subscribing to the podcast, listening to the fantasy Footballers. We're here all off season long and it's going to be a great 2017. So hopefully this show helped you out, got you some mid round targets as well and we will be back very, very soon. Guys, any parting words?

[Mike Wright]

Well, we got a. Have you ever thought, hey, how do I interact with these guys live in real time? We have a live stream. Was it this Thursday, Brooks? Brooks?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah, this Thursday.

[Mike Wright]

This Thursday. And that's available to people. If you go check out jointhefoot.com that's how you know listeners help keep the show going, help support the show and you get cool things like that, like a live stream with us. Also check out fantasyjocks.com if you want to grab a trophy. The promo code is Footballers. Goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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