Fantasy Football Podcast 2017 - Mock Draft Episode! + Importance of SOS and Tiers

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast: Mock Draft Episode – Importance of SOS and Tiers (May 30, 2017)

In this episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright delve into the intricacies of preparing for a fantasy football draft. Focusing on the significance of Strength of Schedule (SOS) and player tiers, the trio conducts a live mock draft, providing listeners with expert analysis and strategic insights to enhance their drafting prowess.

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1. Introduction and Overview

The episode kicks off with the hosts welcoming listeners and setting the stage for a live mock draft from the ninth position in a standard league format. They emphasize the importance of understanding SOS and player tiers to gain a competitive edge.

Andy Holloway [01:58]:

"We're doing a mock draft live on the show today. One of the fan favorites, a live mock draft."

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2. Listener Question: Strength of Schedule (SOS)

Early in the episode, Garrett from Rockford poses a question about the importance of SOS and reading into schedule strength across different positions. The hosts engage in a detailed discussion, highlighting how SOS can influence draft decisions, especially in the middle rounds.

Mike Wright [03:18]:

"I use it more to tie break or maybe when I get into the middle rounds... I may lean to a different pick because I want these picks to hit early."

Jason Moore [04:24]:

"Usually we tell people to not, you know, focus too much on strength of schedule... but I do look at the early season schedule more than the really when it's draft season."

Andy Holloway [05:55]:

"Terrence West, Jacquizz Rogers, maybe you're making an early season decision based on strength of schedule."

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3. News Update: Matt Aziata Signs with Detroit

Before diving into the mock draft, Andy briefly shares news about Matt Aziata signing with the Detroit Lions, discussing its potential impact on other running backs in the team.

Andy Holloway [06:53]:

"It's quite, quite probable that the Dwayne Washington, Aziata, maybe even Zinner competition... they're not all making the roster."

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4. Live Mock Draft Analysis

The core of the episode revolves around the live mock draft. The hosts meticulously analyze each pick, discussing player tiers, potential value, and strategic choices.

First Round Picks [07:43 – 11:24]

Starting from the ninth position, the initial selections include prominent running backs like David Johnson, Le'Veon Bell, and Ezekiel Elliott. The hosts express surprise over Mike Evans being drafted before Odell Beckham Jr.

Jason Moore [08:46]:

"It's sad to see Odell Beckham Jr. drop... that's the worst in a draft. Never let the maybes come in."

After considering wide receivers and running backs, the trio selects DeMarco Murray in the second round, emphasizing the scarcity of elite running backs.

Mike Wright [10:28]:

"I think it's probably still Freeman, but I also really like DeMarco Murray."

Jason Moore [11:08]:

"Freeman is still the guy I prefer. He's safe... I like Devonta Freeman."

Mid-Round Strategy and Player Selection [12:26 – 27:10]

As the draft progresses, discussions focus on balancing the roster between running backs and wide receivers, considering factors like player consistency and upside.

Andy Holloway [13:37]:

"In a standard league, to be able to have two stud running backs. Love it."

The selection of Demaryius Thomas and Sammy Watkins showcases the hosts' preference for high-upside wide receivers.

Andy Holloway [16:17]:

"I know, I look at Demaryius Thomas offers top 10 upside at the position."

Approaching Later Rounds: Tight Ends and Bench Fillers [37:11 – 44:35]

In the latter stages of the draft, the focus shifts to securing tight end positions and identifying potential breakout players for the bench.

Mike Wright [38:12]:

"I'm looking at Willie Snead or Stefan Diggs... big breakout potential."

Andy Holloway [39:30]:

"I lean Hunt over Ebron here and I would wait and just take another tight end."

Jason Moore [44:17]:

"I'm okay with that. If we only wanted home run hitter, possible drop."

Finalizing the Roster and Team Evaluation [44:35 – 47:10]

With the roster filled, the hosts evaluate their draft decisions, reflecting on the balance of positions and potential team performance.

Jason Moore [46:43]:

"I think I have a really good team... reliable starters, high upside depth."

Andy Holloway [47:02]:

"We will get into the mailbag a little bit on Thursday and some news and I'm sure some fun segments on there as well."

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5. Conclusion and Takeaways

The episode wraps up with the hosts recapping their mock draft team, highlighting key strengths and areas for potential improvement. They encourage listeners to utilize resources like their Ultimate Draft Kit and engage with the community for ongoing support and strategy discussions.

Andy Holloway [45:10]:

"We use fantasydraftwizard.com to mock draft frequently. You can experiment with different position availability."

Mike Wright [46:02]:

"Mixing and how players are reacting to guys like Joe Mixon or if some other players start to break into the, you know."

Jason Moore [47:10]:

"Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Mike Wright [03:18]:

  "I use it more to tie break or maybe when I get into the middle rounds..."

• Jason Moore [08:46]:

  "It's sad to see Odell Beckham Jr. drop... never let the maybes come in."

• Andy Holloway [13:37]:

  "In a standard league, to be able to have two stud running backs. Love it."

• Mike Wright [38:12]:

  "I'm looking at Willie Snead or Stefan Diggs... big breakout potential."

• Jason Moore [46:43]:

  "I think I have a really good team... reliable starters, high upside depth."

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Final Thoughts

This episode serves as a comprehensive guide for fantasy football enthusiasts aiming to refine their draft strategies. By integrating SOS analysis and player tiers, the Fantasy Footballers provide valuable insights that can significantly influence draft outcomes. The live mock draft format, coupled with expert commentary, makes this episode an indispensable resource for both novice and seasoned fantasy managers.

For more detailed analysis and access to their Ultimate Draft Kit, visit [ultimate draftkit.com](http://ultimate draftkit.com) or follow the Fantasy Footballers on Twitter @TheFFBallers.

Transcript

[Unknown Speaker]

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[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from the fantasyjocks.com studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a lot of dancing going on. It's not pretty, but it's dancing.

[Jason Moore]

Maybe it's man. We are almost there. Almost to the Ultimate Draft kit release. I am stoked. This is our last show without it.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the show. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers. That was Jason Moore. Mike the Fantasy Hitman Wright is here.

[Mike Wright]

Bongiorno.

[Andy Holloway]

And I'm Andy Holloway. I'm here too. Howdy. We are excited to be here. We're doing a mock draft live on the show today. One of the fan favorites, a live mock draft. Today we're doing a standard mock drafting from the nine position and going to fly through here and give you a bird's eye view of the thought processes that we go through as we make draft picks and let you know a little bit about where players are going right now according to their average draft position. I'm sure there will be some debate on who to select at various picks through the draft.

[Jason Moore]

Nah.

[Andy Holloway]

And we're gonna have a great time. Yeah, of course there will be. Because there's my opinion and then wrong opinions and so if you go with mine, you'll be in good shape.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

What else do we have going on today? Got a quick question. Let's jump into that. Garrett in Rockford says, hey, guys, I'm just wondering how much do I read into stretch strength for fantasy players? Do I read into schedule strength more or less in certain positions? So every year we see a strength of schedule report. How much do you guys think about that when you are selecting players well.

[Mike Wright]

And we have a strength of schedule. Of course in the ultimate draft kit where we took a look at teams and the individual position what did those positions score against a particular team and then did a whole slew of things to take a look at this year's schedule, figuring out who has what would you you'd consider an easy path, a hard path. And I, I use it more to tie break or maybe when I get into those middle rounds I don't allow a tough, a perceived tough strength of schedule scare me off of my early round picks. I'm not saying, well yeah, I don't have it in front of me but let's say oh, Lashan McCoy, he's got a bad running schedule a according to what teams give up last year that's not going to scare me off of Lashawn McCoy. But if I get into the round six or so and guys do have a perceived at least early season schedule, I may lean to a different pick because I want these picks to hit early. So I know what if I have something or if I'm going to be able to trade a guy away.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, usually we tell people to not, you know, focus too much on strength of schedule. It's one of those things where year after year after year and there's enough data to just back this up that usually the teams, you know, were good against this position last year, there's just a lot of change year after year. And so when you look at using last year's Data to Project 2017, it's hard to actually have that be accurate. In fact, we didn't like a lot of those results from last year so we changed the way that we weight them to actually be a little bit more indicative of who was really bad and who was, you know, really good and everything in between. So it's a little bit more weighted. But I am like you, Mike. I do look at the early season schedule more than the really when it's draft season, I don't look at the whole year.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not looking at playoff schedule.

[Jason Moore]

I don't even look at the playoff schedule. But I look at those first four weeks and I would say the place I use it the most is when I'm drafting my defense because all I care about is basically week one and.

[Mike Wright]

Two and that tight end who's who's against Cleveland week one because maybe that's the tight end that also Ryan Stream.

[Andy Holloway]

Week one Let me give you an example of maybe a place that you would consider tie breaking. Okay. First part of the season and in the ultimate draft kit, we actually break down not just the full season strength of schedule rankings, but the early season weeks one through four. Weeks one through four. Baltimore has the sixth easiest schedule against teams that for running backs.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, okay.

[Andy Holloway]

When you look at Tampa Bay, they have the 25th ranked.

[Mike Wright]

So I see where you are.

[Andy Holloway]

Terrence West, Jacquiz Rogers, maybe you're making an early season decision on would you rather have Terrence west for those first few weeks without Dixon or Jacquiz Rogers for the first few weeks without Doug Martin based on strength of schedule there? Maybe you go with Terrence West.

[Mike Wright]

I love it. That's a perfect situation where I would maybe use that to factor in.

[Jason Moore]

I love it.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

We're going to get into. So smart. Oh, thank you. Thank you. We're going to get into the mock draft here very shortly. Two days left until the UDK. That's Ultimate Draft Kit.com Our Twitter handle is @The FF Ballers if you want to follow us all the latest news and information around the show, everything. We are releasing lots of different stat nuggets and information that make the off season a lot of fun for fantasy football players. The website is the Fantasy footballers dot com. One bit of news, I'm not going to break it up into an entire segment, but good news, guys. Matt Aziata has signed with Detroit.

[Mike Wright]

That is good news.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, he's back.

[Mike Wright]

That's good news for Amir Abdullah. It's good news for Theo Riddick and I dare say that's good news for Zach Zander because I think he can handle Matt Aziata.

[Andy Holloway]

It's quite, quite probable that the Dwayne Washington, Aziata, maybe even Zinner competition, they're not all making the roster with Riddick and Abdullah. So another camp body in Matt Aziata and then I think that's really the only news that I wanted to get through. Unless you guys have anything else you want to talk about.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, I'm ready. I'm ready for the mock draft.

[Jason Moore]

The fantasy footballers mock draft.

[Andy Holloway]

As I said before, standard mock draft roster is composed of a quarterback, two running backs, two wide receivers, a tight end, a flex, and we're drafting from the ninth position. So going to get a perspective from the back half of the first round. Snake draft. We're, we're on the clock, boys. The draft has started. David Johnson, Lev Bell, zekiel elliott going 1, 2, 3. The big running back. Something that I expect to see a Lot of this year and that I personally endorse. Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, Mike Evans, the next three off the board. I think the surprise there is that Evans went ahead of Odell Beckham Jr McCoy went 107 and then Odell Beckham Jr at 108 to put us on the clock in maybe what we'd consider to be the least exciting position thus far for all of the. I mean, all of these players off the board so far, we consider the best of the best. What are your thoughts of sitting here? The roster is blank. We need to fill a spot, and you have a number of options here in the first round.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's sad to see Odell Beckham Jr. Drop, you know, to eight. One pick before you start to get that, like, oh, maybe, maybe I'll get that guy.

[Mike Wright]

And then.

[Jason Moore]

No, that is the worst in a draft. Never let the maybes come in. Never get your excitement up. Could he get here? You know, there's still obviously at the nine spot the first round. There's so many great players available. You know, wide receivers. You got Jordy Nelson, AJ Green, and then running backs. You know, there's kind of that next tier. We talk about tiers a lot. Next tier of running backs there that are still available in Freeman, in.

[Andy Holloway]

Gordon.

[Jason Moore]

Gordon Howard, DeMarco Murray, they're all kind of in that same tier. So based on that, one might be more inclined to, you know, we're at the nine spot, so it's a few picks till the next round. Do we want to take that gamble and not grab the running back, even though it's standard, and hope that one of that tier gets back to us?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I'm very high in Jordy Nelson. Jordy Nelson is somebody that I'm willing to include in that upper echelon with Antonio Brown, Julio Jones and Odell Beckham Jr. This year. I'm not willing to say he's too old or he can't. I mean, he was essentially, depending on scoring format, the number one wide receiver last year despite a slower start coming off of the injury. So for me, I see Nelson as the last remaining super talent in that next tier, or, I mean, in the first tier. I'm also very, very comfortable going running back here as I have Melvin Gordon, Jay Ajayi, very highly ranked. I like Freeman. So, Mike, where do you lean on this pick, knowing that we're going to pick again very shortly?

[Mike Wright]

So for me, I think I lean towards the running back in almost every single draft. If I'm in this back area, this is A Jordy Nelson's my second pick essentially is what I'm. What I'm looking to do because I'm with Andy, that he's. He's in my top tier of wide receivers, despite the lack of respect, despite the fact that he always falls to the second round. So I would take the running back from this Tier 2 group that I prefer and in. In a standard format, I think it's. For me, it's probably still Freeman, but I also really like DeMarco Murray. In this situation, it would be between.

[Jason Moore]

Those two guys for me, but Freeman is still the guy I prefer. I think Freeman is safe. He's had touch. He gets the goal line work. You know, you've got two years in a row when the Falcons were high powered, he was great. When they weren't high powered, he was great. I like Devonta Freeman.

[Mike Wright]

He's great.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm on board. I love Devonta Freeman. I think he's going to score a ton this year. And we took him, Devonta Freeman off the board in the first round at 109. Not surprising. AJ Green goes right after. Then Ty Hilton, Jordan Howard Hilton, huh? And then Jordy Nelson, no. 201 Des Bryant. And then Melvin Gordon. Now the aforementioned DeMarco Murray still on the board for us here in the second round, as is J. Ajayi and Michael Thomas. Michael Thomas is the last guy remaining in our kind of second tier of wide receivers. Where do you guys lean here? Because I have this in a standard league especially, I'm tempted by DeMarco Murray on the, on the table right here. And the ability in a position so scarce for upper echelon talent, every down talent. I look at DeMarco Murray, I look at Jaya Jayi, I look at maybe Todd Gurley, and I say there aren't very many other workhorse caliber backs here. What are the thoughts here? Very important pick, second pick.

[Jason Moore]

This is, this is the time of year where you try these strategies where when you're doing the mock drafts, you go, okay, well, well, you know, generally it's like, okay, well, we've got the stud running back. I want to be safe. I want to grab that stud wide receiver. So I, I know I've got one of each and then kind of fill out the roster. But you have to know what happens because it's different every year. What happens if you start the draft? Running back, running back, running back. You know, what's that going to look like?

[Andy Holloway]

And so only one way to find out, gentlemen.

[Jason Moore]

Exactly. So I'm going To Marco Murray here. This is a, this is a mock draft. We can learn a lot and it almost tempts me to. Depending on who's on the board, maybe even follow.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, the tier, Tier two guys, it's going to be emptied out. But I, I'm with Jason. I'm going to lean DeMarco Murray here for. I think that's what I would do if this was a real draft. But also then just the curiosity of, of we're practicing. So let's see what the team shapes.

[Andy Holloway]

I took DeMarco Murray for us. But let me ask you this. Now that you Knew in hindsight, DeMarco Murray drops to that second pick. Do you regret not taking Jordy Nelson in the first round or are you completely content with this? I guess time will tell. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

In a standard league, to be able to have two stud running backs. Love it.

[Mike Wright]

Double digit td Guy.

[Andy Holloway]

I, yeah, in the standard league, I just adore him. Let's put it this way. We have two running backs. I, I would say that while Michael Thomas was very attractive there, he is still a sophomore with more inherent risk than a Jordy Nelson who you know, has been established for a long period of time. So getting somebody like DeMarco Murray, he does have an established role. I like it. There's no doubt that that combination of running backs is going to be the best so far in this league. Aaron Rodgers went right after DeMarco Murray actually in the middle of the second round here. So for me that is a thank you to the team that took him because that meant some more wide receivers are dropping down the board. Lamar Miller, Michael Thomas, Jai Todd Gurley in the second round. Second round ended with Fournette Cooper and Cooks. I think you're going to see Cooks consistently in the back of the second, early third. DeAndre Hopkins, Doug Baldwin, Devonte Adams. In the third round, Rob Gronkowski. I kind of hoped that maybe he'd slide down here to the ninth pick of the third round, but he goes off with the fourth pick. Tom Brady, Alshon Jeffrey, Drew Brees and Marshawn Lynch. Now Marshawn could have a big impact in standard formats.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we saw Latavius Murray jump 12 touchdowns on the ground, I believe it was. So Marshawn, if he can be healthy, should be able to be right around that area. Looking forward to this, this third pick here. Your wide receivers who you're looking at. Allen Robinson, Sammy Watkins, demarius Thomas, who has, through what I consider no fault of his own, his touchdowns have come down the last Couple years. I don't know if Thomas can get those touchdowns back up where you would want them. And so I just. I don't know if I want to go with any of those three wide receivers. Is there a wide receiver who you fancy at this area or are we looking at maybe taking a guy like the Crow here and just throw and going three, three running back right away.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you know, I still really do like Demaryius Thomas. I think when. When you're looking at a situation where you didn't get that, you know, that stud, that top, you know, five wide receiver, when you can grab a guy who has been as consistent for as many years even with different quarterbacks to be that first, you know, certainly capable of being a wide receiver. One I believe I have him ranked as a wide receiver. One that would be the wide receiver I prefer. You know, as far as the running back position, I'll throw.

[Andy Holloway]

I know, I know the touchdowns came down. But in 2015, even with the reduced touchdowns, he was still the 11th best wide receiver.

[Mike Wright]

Right. I was going to throw out for our tears. We have. Isaiah Crowell is still in our tier three. And meanwhile over here in the. Because we're down into tier four of wide receivers like Michael Crabtree is very possible that he can make it back to us. And we. And I have Crabtree ranked higher than Demary's Thomas.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So Andy and I have debated it back and forth. So Andy, I think it's fair that you get to be the.

[Andy Holloway]

You know what? I'm going to take the Marius Thomas. I thought about going all in on the wide receivers, I mean on the running backs. But here's what I'm taking to Mary's Thomas. While I agree the tears are similar there with Crabtree and Thomas, Thomas offers top 10 upside at the position, something that we can get here at this point. I agree. Alan Robinson does too. And I think a lot of people listening are probably saying why in the world is an Allen Robinson being more heavily discussed in this situation. But the reality is there are a lot. I mean, his touchdown totals plummeted last year. Not only that, you bring Fournette in and you have a different type of offense. I think this year. Plus his name doesn't begin with a D. And we've drafted two players, Devonte Adams and DeMarco Murray. We needed Demarius Thomas. That is standard practice in fantasy football. You want good analysis, alliterative.

[Mike Wright]

Delaney Walker, next pick, please.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, no, no, no. So I took Demarys Thomas. Let's see how Lucky we got with who drops to us in the fourth. Carlos Hyde, Isaiah Cruel. Gone. Alan Robinson, Mark Ingram, Spencer Ware and Michael Crabtree.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, one pick away.

[Andy Holloway]

Gone as well. However, lots of names I like at the wide receiver position here. Sammy Watkins, Keenan Allen, Terrell Pryor. Terrell Pryor, Terrell Pryor, Jarvis Landry, Emmanuel Sanders, Golden Tate, Julian Edelman. You also have Jordan Reed still on the board in the fourth round. Maybe a consideration here. Maybe Tyler Ifert.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I might, I might wait and.

[Andy Holloway]

See if I can get there to the fifth round. Running backs, you have the rookies McCaffrey and Mixon. You have Eddie Lacey and Montgomery. And I'm starting to not like a lot of what I'm seeing at the running back position. Andrew Lock still on the board in the fourth round here.

[Jason Moore]

I was wondering if you were going to bring up Andrew Luck, because I.

[Andy Holloway]

Know no, I don't want to take him in the fourth.

[Jason Moore]

I'm proud of you.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, fifth round, I would. If he comes back to us, mark them down.

[Jason Moore]

And that is one thing you want to keep in mind when you're either one of those early picks or one of the late ones. Like we are in this mock we're at the nine, meaning you have to know are you near the turn or away from it. So this pick, we're going to have a whole lot of guys go after this pick. So we have to, we have to be looking at.

[Andy Holloway]

You got to recognize that, yeah, we're.

[Jason Moore]

Going to be drafting different tiers of players next time. Or at least that has to be the assumption. So who's the best player left that we actually like? For me, it would definitely be Sammy Watkins. I know that you guys might, might not agree since we've got Demarius Thomas. Sammy Watkins to me is one of the only top five upside type of guys. And Ralph Pryor I'm sure is going.

[Andy Holloway]

To be prior is my favorite. But I will say this, I rarely look at the bye week situation, but if we did draft Pryor, Freeman, demarius, Thomas and Pryor would all be on by in week five.

[Mike Wright]

Week five.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you get them out of the way early. But I'm not a Sammy Watkins fan. I realize he's probably the top guy on the board by consensus. I'm not going to make the pick though. I took Thomas in the previous one. I think I'm going to throw it over to Mike and then we'll go from there. All right.

[Mike Wright]

The two names I was looking at, Terrell Pryor and Sammy Watkins. So we seem to have a hive mind here going on, on this particular pick. And I see, I see a world where Terrell Pryor is a wide receiver one in Washington. But Sammy Watkins can. I agree with Jason. Sammy Watkins can be top five if he can play more than five games. But, oh, I'm going to go. Sammy Watkins, let's do it. Let's find. Let's, let's do it.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let me. We're going to let the picks, we're going to let the picks roll around. Freeman Murray, Thomas Watkins. That's beefy.

[Jason Moore]

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[Jason Moore]

However, do you still think Andrew Luck here when there are such good D name players like Dalvin Cook and Dante Moncrief and you can Get Derek Carr later.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, Dak Prescott is obviously heavy consideration.

[Jason Moore]

I apologize for the Sammy Watkins.

[Andy Holloway]

No, here's the deal. Here's a perfect. I love that this took place. I love that Andrew luck sitting here at 509. And I want to highlight because when I said that on the show before, it is very subjective to what else is on the board. Saying that I'm going to consider Andrew Luck in the fifth round is saying I'm going to consider him compared to the other players that are available. Now, Tyler Ifert here, I like that pick. I like the ability to in a standard league put a 10 touchdown type of guy on your roster. I also really like what I'm seeing. You know, you have Larry Fitzgerald even.

[Jason Moore]

In standard on the board. He was the wide receiver 17 last year in a standard league.

[Andy Holloway]

Tried and true. Frank Gore.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to throw out two bits of news here because Eileen, the Tyler Ifert path. But in to speak to Andrew Luck, there are reports, the newest reports on Andrew Luck, he may not be ready for training camp. You go over to the other side. Tyler Ifert with his back says, I don't know if I'm going to be ready for training camp. So do you have any concerns, is there a time period for you where you start moving Andrew Luck down?

[Jason Moore]

No, not for Andrew Luck.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't. All players would like to not be ready for training camp. Just for the record, that is the actual opinion and hope for all of these guys. But yes, there would be a point of course, where you'd have to start moving. But somebody like Andrew Luck, I mean, you know, this is like if he's playing, then you should be confident in him. Whereas Ifrt, you know, he's had injury problems too.

[Jason Moore]

Exactly. With Eifert, the news worries me more because there's just been such a long history of he's not able to recover well from injuries. And if he's not back yet, that scares me a little bit. You know, Eifert's usually going around the sixth round. I'm certainly not going to take him in the fifth.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I don't really like where we're sitting here. I think Andrew Luck, you want to.

[Jason Moore]

Do it, don't you?

[Andy Holloway]

I do kind of want to do it, but here's here.

[Mike Wright]

I'll throw.

[Andy Holloway]

But I see so many good names that I like later on in the draft. Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan.

[Mike Wright]

These are the names that I am very interested in with this fifth and this turn pick on our way back in.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we are coming right back Amir.

[Mike Wright]

Abdullah, Mike Gillisle, Dante Moncrief and Eiford. Are. Those are the. Those are the four names who. I really want to get two of those guys.

[Andy Holloway]

I think we do ourselves an injustice taking effort or Luck too early at this point. So I think we should take one of those guys. I'm very on board with Abdullah or Gillisley. Jason.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Abdullah, Gillislee, they're both fine. This is around no excitement. No, you're correct. No excitement whatsoever. This is the situation where when I'm sitting here in most of these mocks, there's guys I like better in my rankings that I'm just not willing to take yet because I don't even need to. I'll get them in a couple of rounds. Because of what I said earlier, it being a mock and me never taking a quarterback early. I actually do. I'm curious if we took Luck here and then paired him with a Dante Moncrief after the turn, you know, and get that connection. Will. Will we like our team more? And there's only one way to. To figure that out. Now, I usually don't draft quarterbacks this early and I actually have Russell Wilson ahead of Luck. So if this was me in a live draft, I'm not taking Andrew Luck here, but I am very curious how it would turn out.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, we're going to probably find out now that you've said that. But let me say this. When you. You said you're kind of not liking everything you see here, there's nothing that makes you jump off the page. When I'm in those situations, I generally would rather take a running back. If I'm not super happy about all the positions, I'd rather take the running back. But I think Abdul is coming around to us and Mike will be excited when he does so. Against Mike's will, Andrew Luck has been drafted to the roster. We're going to see how things turn out. Luck, Freeman, Murray, Thomas, Watkins. After Luck went Sanders face. Well, look at this one. One could argue we started a run here because despite there only being six picks after us before our next one in the sixth round, both Matt Ryan and Russell Wilson are off the board. So if you talk about getting a top three quarterback, we did Perkins, Sanders, Eiford did go. So IFR did not come back around to us. Jimmy Graham is there. Kyle Rudolph Zachary as Martellus Bennett, Delaney Walker. We're back around. Abdullah's still there. Mike, we have Luck. Are you thinking about Jimmy Graham? Are you thinking about Larry Fitzgerald? Julian Edelman Dante Moncrief, Brandon Marshall in a standard league, or are you thinking right?

[Mike Wright]

I'm thinking I want. I want a hefty dose of touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

You're thinking, does that mean Gillislee then? Because Abdullah is not really known for.

[Mike Wright]

It would be Gillislee from here for me because I don't think that he will make it back.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, you know what, Mike? You get your wish. Mike Gillsley's on the roster. We'll make that one quick as we roll back into the back of the seventh round. Dalvin Cook and Delaney Walker. Two spectacular D. Oh, look at what just happened. Two spectacular D names. Wow. Mario off the board. Edelman, Peterson, Winston Powell, Graham. More quarterbacks. Newton, Roethlisberger and Derek Carr. I'll tell you right now, I am very happy that we took the quarterback there and we get the benefit of all these other teams taking quarterbacks. The run of quarterbacks behind us passed ride receivers and running backs down to us. And I like the way our roster looks, but Amir Abdullah has fallen to us. Dante Moncrief has fallen to us. For me, it's. It's the pair I want. Dante Moncrief and Andrew luck together. Moncrief, seven touchdowns on only 32 receptions last year. Healthy and coming into this season. But. But do you consider Amir Abdullah as well?

[Mike Wright]

I'm okay considering Amir Abdullah here. I don't mind being heavy on the running backs, but I'm with you. I want Moncrief. I want the guy who's just a touchdown a game. And I believe it's a contract year for Moncrief. He has a lot to prove.

[Andy Holloway]

His name starts with D. I'm just saying.

[Mike Wright]

Ridiculous.

[Andy Holloway]

You know what else? D is for destiny, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I hope this doesn't reflect on our draft grade, you know. Well, it looks like we're getting a.

[Mike Wright]

D. I say we're going to get.

[Andy Holloway]

A D. That's right.

[Jason Moore]

Frank Gore would also have been in consideration for me there.

[Andy Holloway]

He's still on the board. We took Dante Moncrief, Ertz Cousins, Rudolph closed out the seventh round. DeSean Jackson, Corey Davis and Amir Abdullah went in the eighth. So Abdullah didn't drop back through. But Frank Gore still sitting there on the board.

[Jason Moore]

That'd be three Colts you'd have luck.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's trouble. Let's look at some of the wide receiver values here as well as the tight ends. Diggs, Decker, more Ds. Jameson Crowder, Martavis Bryant. What else are we looking at? Matt Forte still on the board. Theo Riddick. And then at the tight end position, it's getting mighty thin. So thin that I would wait until the very.

[Jason Moore]

Remind me our roster. Read our roster.

[Andy Holloway]

So absolutely. Quarterback Andrew Luck. At the running back, we have DeVonta Freeman, DeMarco Murray and Mike Gillisle. And then at wide receiver, we have Demarious Thomas, Sammy Watkins and Dante. Considering the risk attached to Sammy Watkins health, I really like the Moncrief decision there over a running back. As you said, Gore was on the board. Still is, but I like ensuring Watkins with another potentially upper echelon guy if things go right with Dante Moncrief. How are you feeling about the roster?

[Jason Moore]

I feel really good about the roster. The literally the only thing I don't like about it right now is that there's two guys that pop out to me that I would really like for this roster, one of which is Frank Gore. And I worry about putting that many Colts together.

[Mike Wright]

Like you're upset there's two people that you.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, no, no, that's.

[Mike Wright]

I hate when those guys are.

[Jason Moore]

No, that's. That's good. But then the other guy is a wide receiver. Where based on our roster makeup right now, I kind of would. Would prefer to grab a good running back. It's hard to not take Frank Gore here. You know, if you look at the other running backs that are out there, you're talking about mostly scat backs now. There's guys we can maybe get later who I love, like Kareem Hunt and, you know, some kind of high upside guys. But for me, Martavis Bryant, this deep, I know you're excited.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm comfortable.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, you talk about a standard league guy who's got the chance to win you weeks completely. I mean, look, especially with this wide receiver depth when they are at home, when the Steelers are playing in Pittsburgh, you put Marty B. In that starting lineup and you've got a winning wide receiver core. Even though we took two running backs to start.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me, let me give you one last bit of pendulum swing for the running back position. Mike Gillisle, completely unproven in New England. We're not sure of what the role is going to be. We may have confidence in that goal line position for him, but there are a lot of players involved there. Recent reports say Deion Lewis will still be there. You have Rex Burkhead, you have James White and you have Mike Gillislee. If Gillisley doesn't pan out, you're sitting here right now. You go Freeman, Murray and nothing else. So does that change your Opinion. Do you want Martevis Bryant or would you rather have the solid Frank Gore? You know, you know, theoretic.

[Jason Moore]

I got a name I'll throw out there then. This might be too early for you guys even though this is actually evaluated as adp. But I love Derek Henry this year.

[Mike Wright]

I was going to say I'm surprised you didn't throw out Derek Henry who is actually a. I think he's a six round.

[Jason Moore]

He is. His ADP is usually a six rounder. Since we've got DeMarco Murray. I think he has standalone value. I think he has, you know, handcuff potential. If you wanted to go running back, it for me it would be between Frank Gore and Derek Henry. If you go wide receiver, it's Marty McBride.

[Andy Holloway]

I want you to vote on the position you want and then we're going to make a decision. Mike, do you want a running back or a white out?

[Mike Wright]

If it's, if it's not hard, it's not hard.

[Andy Holloway]

Just pick one or the other. Wide receiver or running back. I want to know your vote. You're about to lose your opportunity to contribute. Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I would also prefer.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, I'm going to phone a friend Brooks.

[Jason Moore]

I would, I would be running back.

[Andy Holloway]

Gore or do you take Derek Henry here? I still think I'd love to wait for Henry to go through, but where do you lean Brooks, we're going to phone a friend between those and lean and Henry. You're leaning Henry.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, Henry.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike, do you lean Henry between the two?

[Mike Wright]

I do.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. We're going to ensure our running back instead of give us flexibility.

[Mike Wright]

I think passing on Martavis here is a bad.

[Jason Moore]

Maybe he'll get back. I will say this. You know, we don't usually draft handcuffs. I see he's not a Derek.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean that's like saying Kevin Coleman. We don't normally drive handcuffs but we drive to Tevin Coleman. That's not the same thing.

[Jason Moore]

I wanted to make the point though that that's not the whole reason we're getting him. I would consider him here without Murray.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Frank Gore went right after Henry as he should. I guess one perspective on that pick selection is Henry with Murray down is a monster. Gore is going to be slow and steady. Not a weak defining type of guy. Saw some defense, a defense go off the board in the eighth round. Then LeGarrett Blunt, Riddick, Martavis Bryant off the board. Devonte Parker. I like that at 8:10 in a standard league. I really do. I believe he Ryan off the board.

[Jason Moore]

I believe Martavis Bryant is still available.

[Andy Holloway]

He is not based on me saying Martavis Bryant is gone moments ago. All right.

[Jason Moore]

No, I know. I was disagreeing with what I was looking at. You said that and I thought I saw him still available to draft.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I got you. You're wrong. Danny Woodhead to start the ninth round. Jamison Crowder, Jeremy Hill, Jonathan Stewart, Seattle defense. All right, now we're sitting here with three bench spots left. We need a tight end, Eric Ebron on the board. I like taking a shot on Ebron. The question is, would he drop another pick? Diggs is still there. Garcon Corey, Coleman, Jordan Matthews, Kenny Britt, man. Number of wide receiver names, I'm quite happy with here to the point where I'm wondering if we should have gone running back with the Moncrief pick. But what do we want to do here, guys?

[Mike Wright]

For me, we're in the late rounds now. I want some. Some major upside. So I'm actually looking at Willie Snead at this point of the draft or Stefan Diggs, which I'm so torn on. Who is Stefan Diggs? I know that he's. He's flashed, he's had those high reception total games couple just monster games to start last year, is frequently fighting through injury. Matt Harmon, who's he does all the reception perception. He charted out Stefan Diggs and it was just very positive things to say about him where he just. This looks like a guy, if he can stay on the field for 16 games, is going to have a big breakout. So do you want to go with the potential breakout of Stefan Diggs or what? We know Willie Snead will have a role in high volume in a high scoring offense. Those are the two guys I'm looking at.

[Andy Holloway]

Any interest in Randall Cobb, Mike Wallace?

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's look here at Eric Ebron. Any consideration there?

[Mike Wright]

I mean, I'm sure Jason's probably still trying to talk us into Eric Ebron.

[Jason Moore]

Over there, but no Eric Ebron. The reason that I love him is you can get him much later than even where we're at now. So I wouldn't be pulling the trigger here.

[Mike Wright]

I wouldn't think much later.

[Jason Moore]

You don't think?

[Mike Wright]

No, I don't.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I still would. I would go one more.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's go with Willie Sneed here. Let's take Willie Snead and the opportunity that exists there now in New Orleans with Brandon Cooks off the field, you have a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback. Eric Ebron bounced around to the fourth pick here the 10th round. I think that's the right place for an upside tight end. That was is very much due for a touchdown regression. Positive regression. Only one last year. Despite pretty productive numbers and dealing with injuries. I don't want to go Jack Doyle and have another pass catcher on the Colts to deal with all the Colts.

[Jason Moore]

It is a D now.

[Andy Holloway]

That being said, Kareem Hunt is on the board. High upside cream Hunt. I lean Hunt over Ebron here and I would wait and just take another tight end.

[Jason Moore]

I do too. Because if we lose Ebron, I don't really care if we lose Kareem Hunt. I think we miss out on a huge home run hitting running back in a standard league. So I'm always willing to miss out on the tight end should we lose.

[Andy Holloway]

Them and we didn't. Kareem Hunt we took with the fourth pick of the 10th round. Saw some big names going off the board here in the 10th. Stephan Diggs, Corey Coleman. A lot of upside for Coleman this year. Pierre Garcon, who should be the one for Hoyer in San Francisco. Terrence west, great value. I looked at him a little bit. He didn't seem like a good pick for us. But Terrence west, second pick of the 11th round. And then you have James White going off in the 11th round. Johnny Brown and John Brown.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's a great, that's a great option here. But I want to throw this out because I have not been unhappy with our team. I look at our team, I think it's really a good team. And I don't have like major regrets for the Andrew Luck pick but sitting here where we're at, Dak Prescott is on the board. Who I've got, you know, too high. Not sure you can say I've got too high. But for my rankings, yeah, he is not that far away from Andrew Luck. And if you say, hey, we can have a fifth round pick back add to the team and have Dak. I would rather go that direction. I'm just saying for when I say I wouldn't have drafted Andrew Luck in. In real life. This is why. The reason why is because of what options are still available super late. And if you don't love Dak, Philip Rivers is still there. Andy Dalton is still there.

[Andy Holloway]

None of those guys are another echelon have the same kind. If you have the same conversation about Dak Prescott with Aaron Rodgers, it's just. I'm not. I understand you don't. You don't think Luck is.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's the difference is that to.

[Andy Holloway]

Say you'd be happy with Dak. That's totally fine. I get it. And I think that illustrates it. I wouldn't be, but maybe I would be if you gave me the fifth round pick back and had a different name. So I think that's why you mock. Like you said, that's why you take a look and you see, hey, do am I happier with Luck or Dak? Plus, that player Eric Ebron still on the board here in the back of the 11th. I think he should be the pick at this point. High upside there. You guys okay with that?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, we'll take Eric Ebron, which leaves us with just one bench flyer spot left in this standard mock draft. Guys, Joe Williams, very interesting option there. You still have Jordan Matthews, Mike Wallace, Prashad Perryman, Josh Dachshund.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I think we were talking about arguing for Terrell Prior earlier in the draft and we ended up going with Sammy Watkins. And I think that Pryor likely will be, you know, the one, the wide receiver, one fantasy output for Washington. But if it's Josh Dachshund at the end of the season, that's not a shocking turn of events while he's going at the very end of drafts. So I love with last pick, second to last pick, throwing Josh Dachshund on my back.

[Jason Moore]

Usually I want those swing for the fences high. You know, the Josh Dachshund, the home run hitter opportunity this late in your draft. However, sometimes I look at my roster and I go, is that what I need? I feel like, because we've got. Because we've got three volatile wide receivers with. With injury histories in Sammy Watkins and Dante Moncrief and Martavis Bryant.

[Andy Holloway]

Those we don't have Bryant.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, we didn't grab Bryant. No, we should have grabbed Bryant. This is.

[Andy Holloway]

We couldn't because he was drafted. He was drafted by a different team. So it made it harder.

[Jason Moore]

The guy I want to throw out though is Mike Wallace because he's not the home run chance of a top 10 guy. But what is. What is Josh Dockson's upside to you? Do you believe this year? Do you think he's like, josh Dockson is going to be a. If he hits.

[Mike Wright]

If he hits, he's going to be.

[Jason Moore]

A top 18 guy.

[Mike Wright]

If he hits, he's top 15.

[Andy Holloway]

It doesn't matter because this is the last. We're not dropping Kareem Hunt Week 1, Willie Snead Week 1, Derek Henry Week 1 or Moncrief Week 1. So who's got the Best chance of surprising you because you're going to need to drop a guy.

[Jason Moore]

That's a good point.

[Andy Holloway]

So if Josh Dachshund goes off week one, you found something. Mike Wallace, I think we agree, at this point in his career, you probably know what you have.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So even if Mike Wallace goes off week one, it doesn't change his value, his perceived value.

[Andy Holloway]

Whereas you might be able to trade Dachshund right away. Or you end up making a move because you feel you have something with Dachshund. So you can ship off Snead or Moncrie for somebody.

[Mike Wright]

Trust me, I had Mike Wallace last year and he went off and nobody wanted it. No one wanted Mike Wallace.

[Andy Holloway]

It's true. So if you're all right, I'm going to go Josh Doxson on the final home run hitter pick. You okay with that?

[Jason Moore]

I am okay with that. If we only wanted home run hitter, possible drop, I might have gone Joe Williams, but that's. Sure, that's fine.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think all those guys qualify. So we'll grab the Panthers defense and we'll swing around here and grab Dan Bailey, and that rounds out our roster.

[Mike Wright]

And that's about how fast you should pick your kicker.

[Andy Holloway]

That is exactly right. So, you guys, why don't Mike, why don't you run back this team that you see on the screen right there?

[Mike Wright]

All right, in the current starting roster, we have Andrew Luck, Devonte Freeman. That list is now gone from what I was looking at. All right. Andrew Luck, Devontae Freeman, DeMarco Murray, Demary Thomas, Sammy Watkins, Eric Ebron, Mike Gillislee in the flex. Then on our bench, you have the baseman Dante Moncrief, Derek Henry, Willie Snead, Kareem Hunt, and Josh Dachshund.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, well, that does it for today's draft.

[Mike Wright]

I must say, I find that delightful.

[Andy Holloway]

Delightful. That's right. Standard mock draft. We will. If you want to watch this on YouTube, you can go to our YouTube channel. You'll be able to see the mock draft. You'll be able to see the screen that we use. We use fantasydraftwizard.com to mock draft frequently. You can experiment with different position availability. So three, four wide receivers in a league you can put in your league format. We're going to do a two Quartermac 2 quarterback mock later on this summer. So if you're in a league with a super flex or a quarterback, an extra quarterback position, we're going to have the opportunity to look at that. I'm sure we'll do another PPR mock at some point as well and take a look at how players have adjusted, how players are reacting to guys like Joe Mixon or if some other players start to break into the, you know.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Mixon and P. Ryan could move up rapidly.

[Andy Holloway]

I think you're going to see possibly the shakeout of the New England backfield affect ADP quite a bit.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

It's another thing I'll be looking for. The health of somebody like Josh Dockson may affect how he's being drafted and obviously a lot of other players. So I know I was referencing my 2017 cheat sheet from the Ultimate Draft kit as we did this mock draft. So you can check that out@ultimate draftkit.com that comes out on Thursday. It will be available on Thursday and updated all off season long. So that means this is your last chance to pre order it. Your last chance to get it at the cheapest possible price. What do you guys think of this team? Are you happy?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I am happy. I like the team top to bottom. I think we've got, you know, reliable starters, high upside depth where you, you could end up, you know, hitting a complete home run. We've got Andy's man crush of the year and Andrew Luck which is rare for us to have.

[Andy Holloway]

509. I'm okay.

[Jason Moore]

My man crushing Eric Ebron. Sorry, don't at me. And then, you know, I, I do. I think this is a really good team.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, well we'd love to have.

[Jason Moore]

We had Martavis Bryant.

[Mike Wright]

I told you.

[Jason Moore]

Can we still. Can we draft him now?

[Andy Holloway]

Who did we take over him?

[Jason Moore]

Is he available?

[Andy Holloway]

We took Abdullah.

[Mike Wright]

No, we didn't. I don't even remember.

[Andy Holloway]

No, we took Derek Henry.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's what.

[Andy Holloway]

Because of Brooks. So it's his fault. What I was going to say is if you have thoughts on this pick, tweet us at the FF Ballers, let us know what you think. Maybe where you would have gone differently. Maybe a gif of you applauding the beautiful job we did. The quantity of D names on our roster.

[Jason Moore]

You can actually comment now on the website through the forum system for all of our articles and podcasts. So check that out. Click the forum tab on the fantasy footballers.com we're always on there chatting with people.

[Andy Holloway]

Absolutely. So we will get into the mailbag a little bit on Thursday and some news and I'm sure some fun segments on there as well. So thanks for tuning in to the fantasy footballers and we'll be back on Thursday. Thanks for listening.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

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