
Fantasy Football Podcast for May 4th, 2017. On today's podcast, it's Part Two of our NFL Draft review, looking at the NFC. We go through each division, each team, identifying the big winners and losers from a fantasy football perspective. Prep your redraf
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Andy Holloway
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Jason Moore
Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Coming to you from the fantasyjocks.com studios with your hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.
Mike Wright
This is how we're really starting this.
Andy Holloway
Welcome to the show.
Mike Wright
If not on the YouTube version. You missed us doing the Ted.
Andy Holloway
Ted Thompson. Clapping happening over here, everybody. Ted, welcome in.
Jason Moore
It's show you how to Ted.
Andy Holloway
It's a wonderful day in the neighborhood.
Mike Wright
Teach me how to Thompson.
Andy Holloway
Teach me how to Thompson. If you don't know Ted Thompson is many things but a clapper he is not. He has not learned how to clap. This was a classic gift from years ago. And then the draft happened and he showed that he still has not learned to clap.
Jason Moore
He celebrated that that draft pick with.
Andy Holloway
And to describe it with words. It's a very. There's no turning of the hand in of any way. The hands line up perfectly.
Jason Moore
Fingers are not spread.
Andy Holloway
Fingers are not spread and it's just kind of a very procedural.
Jason Moore
And the hands are flat as a board. There's no curve.
Andy Holloway
You would expect there to be no sound that is omitted almost at all from the. That's why you couldn't hear it on the intro. Teach me how to Thompson. Welcome to the podcast the Fantasy Footballers Back again. May the fourth people who like Star wars like this day.
Jason Moore
Good news to people that like Star wars and like the show. So for a long time we had a Star wars shirt on shopballers.com which is one of my favorite shirts. Except when we made it, we had a problem. We used.
Andy Holloway
We were too creative.
Jason Moore
We put stars in the background. It looks so good on a computer. And then you print it and you get your shirt and you feel like you ate powdered donuts.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, the stars look like dandruff all times.
Jason Moore
I'm just brushing my chest off.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Jason Moore
A new fixed version is up.
Mike Wright
I like both versions.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. If you are a person that deals with dandruff, it kind of blends in well.
Jason Moore
So it's not me.
Andy Holloway
Is the stars today's show? If you listened on Tuesday, you know we did the AFC winners and losers from the draft today. We've got the, you guessed it, the NFC winners and losers. It's going to be a great one. We're going to go through all the NFC teams, see who won and lost.
Mike Wright
That just reminded me of Jon Gruden, John Gruden. All right, we already did the afc. That means we're going to do the what?
Andy Holloway
We're going to do the what nfc. You throw the what, what? Football. Yeah, that's right. Man. This is gonna be a fun show today, I can tell you that. We are on Twitter. I heard Twitter's doing well, by the way. That is not just a you, Mr. Twitter joke. I heard they're doing very well. They've added many users to the Twitter and so you can be there and you can follow us Heffballers. We're also on YouTube and the website is thefantasyfootballers.com that's where you can find our ultimate draft kit, get you ready to dominate your 20, 2017 draft. It's going to be great. I'm telling you. It's going to be good. Very good. Super good. All right, quick question of the day, guys. What are the fantasy implications of the signing that just took place? Jamal Charles signs with the Broncos. Dun, dun, dun, dun. I've heard everything on Twitter. It doesn't matter to. Oh, no. C.J. anderson. To everything in between.
Jason Moore
Here's what I think we can be sure of for CJ Anderson, other than the narrative that, well, now he can stay healthy because obviously he has not been able to stay healthy. And so bringing Jamal Charles in will somehow make him avoid an injury because he's.
Andy Holloway
Because Jamal Charles knows everything about avoiding injury. He brought him in to model it.
Jason Moore
Yeah, exactly. The reality here is that it is not Good news for C.J. anderson because C.J. anderson was the presumed first and second down back, the goal line back. He could also catch passes. And now they brought in Jamal Charles. Now granted that contract they're giving him, nothing is guaranteed. It's pretty much a veterans minimum deal. It is the.
Mike Wright
It is the minimum.
Jason Moore
So, I mean, you know, I think this is just. They needed another running back and they brought in a guy who is potentially going to be very good. It's going to eat into all parties. CJ Anderson is certainly not dead to me. I'm more curious about not what this does to CJ Anderson, but what will Jamal Charles be able to be.
Mike Wright
So you're it. You don't want a Donner party situation.
Andy Holloway
Here where they're eating into Everybody.
Mike Wright
Yeah. No historical reference.
Andy Holloway
No, no, no. We'll just move on. And historical murder reference.
Mike Wright
Well, moving on.
Andy Holloway
Great one.
Mike Wright
This was a great move by John Elway in the Denver Broncos. This is, I mean, no risk. There is no risk to this contract. I'd also heard it was no guaranteed money. Did you guys hear? So literally no risk at all. Reward of is Jamal Charles at least 75% of who he can be, which is huge upside. But. Sorry, I think I'm going to stop it. But I just for the most part, it. I moved CJ Anderson down slightly in the rankings. However, I still think that he is a strong target. His ADP will move down, which. That's the scary thing about Anderson is he can't seem to finish the season. So you have to pay. His draft value does not match what he has done on the field the last couple years. So if we move that ADP down, then I like Anderson a little bit more.
Andy Holloway
There are certain situations in the rankings of players and obviously everybody. Yesterday I had finished my initial running back ranking, statted everybody out. They asked about Jamal Charles. I have Jamal Charles right now statted for about 400 yards on the ground. Okay. That being said, there are certain situations that are kind of. You do those rankings and you feel pretty good about them long term. And then there are situations like this one where you realize that the camp in preseason battle is going to tell you so much more about who comes out on top. Look, if Jamal Charles is fine in preseason and lighting it up, it's going to change the whole story. Just like if Samaj P. Ryan and Rob Kelly, they have a battle and oh man, this guy looks much better. Or Ty Montgomery and, or you know, and Jamal Williams. There are situations that will be carried. We just can't tell you yet because they're going to be battling it out. And so for me, it can't be good news for CJ Anderson, but I wasn't very high on him anyways. He's one of those tough luck guys. The Mark Ingram, C.J. anderson, Carlos Hyde crew, that boy, if everything. If all the stars in the universe aligned, they'd be good, but they just never have aligned for any of them.
Mike Wright
So tell you what, if you want the starting running back for the Denver Broncos, Week seven, just take Devontae Booker with your last round pick because he's going to be starting.
Jason Moore
No, you know, there is a silver lining here to the contract that's been given. When you look at Jamal Charles, this is a guy who, he's not coming Back for the money. I mean, he didn't hold out. He's got nothing guaranteed. And he's saying, I want to prove that I still have it. I'm not going to invest highly in him at all.
Mike Wright
I don't think he had much of a choice if he wanted to keep playing football.
Jason Moore
Yeah, but the point is, is he wants to keep playing football. Not getting a check.
Andy Holloway
How much of that is similar, though, to Fred Jackson in Seattle or Arian Foster in Miami, where their only options to keep playing football were those opportunities, and then they flamed out.
Jason Moore
Jamal Charles hasn't, you know, played much football in two years. I mean, he was able to. He was able to essentially leave. He's lost two years because of a knee injury. I don't think he comes back if he doesn't believe I've got something to prove. But I could be wrong.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
I mean, I like Jamal Charles, so I hope you're right. Mike, we need an update on the hair. The updates, the date it came and went. It was May 2, Jason's birthday. And at the end of the day, how many people voted for your hair to come off and how many voted for it to stay on?
Mike Wright
I don't have the numbers of how many, but I will. I can tell you that the number, the quantity of people who voted for me to keep the hair was the.
Andy Holloway
Vast majority, however, just didn't bring enough oomph.
Mike Wright
Someone on this panel who is specifically the man in front of me running the show, Mr. Andrew Holloway, made a significant. Which I thank you very much. My aunt thanks you very much, but Andy Holloway made sure that the hair is coming off.
Jason Moore
Oh, the man pun will be no more.
Andy Holloway
I had to do it. That support you're on.
Mike Wright
No, and I really appreciate it. I. I knew going into it that I was likely to lose. Lose the. The top off. The off of my head.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Mike Wright
Well, not the top off. You can grow. Because that would be really bad.
Andy Holloway
Be back to the Donner Party. So are you. You know, you can grow back.
Mike Wright
Yes, of course it can grow back. I mean, so.
Andy Holloway
I mean, theoretically, at least for a couple more years, you can grow back.
Jason Moore
So most people wanted to save the bun. If you think Mike's gonna go and not have some cool hairstyle, you're crazy. Just wait for this moment.
Mike Wright
So I would.
Andy Holloway
It's on the list. We know. We know it's gotta be on the.
Mike Wright
List, but so, you know, the preparations are being put in place. I'll do something fun. I'm sure I'll tape It and for the people out there, of course my hair will be donated. I mean, yes, it's good that you.
Andy Holloway
Said that because a lot of people.
Mike Wright
Have tweeted about it. Of course, if the hair that's long enough will absolutely be donated to Jason to a good.
Jason Moore
I'm thinning up front.
Mike Wright
So thank you so, so much. And please don't, don't let the deadline of the hair dissuade you. If you want to help footclaimhelp.com she still needs a lot of support to get to her goal.
Andy Holloway
All right, let's talk fantasy news.
Jason Moore
News and notes from around the league.
Andy Holloway
If I had music to play from a circus, I would play it right now. Because the Bills have declined Sammy Watkins fifth year option for 2018 because in the National Football League you do not need 24 year old wide receivers at all. They're not a premium wide receivers you don't pay for. Oh wait, three just went in the top 10 in the NFL draft. Oh no, no, no.
Mike Wright
I will say this though. I'm not, I'm not jumping all over the Bills just yet. Talk about a guy who has not played football for hardly any of his rookie contract. We don't have the medical information. The Bills do. His foot could be toast. And we just, we don't know. And the Bills, all of their medical team say that his foot is just not going to hold up long term. So maybe he has, you know, a couple years left. But you can't invest the type of contract it would take to keep a the first round pedigree, his elite level of athleticism and talent. But the production has not matched that. And if he's not going to be around to fulfill that contract, then the Bills, this is, this is the only time can tell.
Andy Holloway
16 games in 2014 down to 13 in 2015. 8 last year in 2016. Certainly not trending in the right direction. But I think it was a surprise for the majority of the NFL and fantasy community that they would decline the option now they had just cleared out their scouting and gm. It was just one of those things where the option was declined because no one was in the building to actually.
Jason Moore
To submit the paperwork. No, I mean in reality I think this is good news to a degree for Sammy Watkins owners in the sense that he doesn't have a guaranteed contract next year. So one, he's playing for it. Two, he has the opportunity now to go somewhere that has more passing volume in the future. I mean, I don't think it's going to change whether or not. He's a good player going forward. So I mean, if you've got him on your team, I would rather him go to a system where he's got more volume.
Andy Holloway
It's a good reminder because that's what matters. Whether you can play Sandy Watkins week.
Mike Wright
And they can still franchise him. If. Yeah, they feel like they've made a.
Jason Moore
Mistake, that's what's going to happen because it will cost the Bills more money.
Andy Holloway
Panthers have have exercised as opposed to what Kelvin Benjamin. He has not.
Mike Wright
Oh, come on.
Andy Holloway
All right. Panthers have exercised Kelvin Benjamin's fifth year option. The Lions have exercised Eric Ebron's fifth year option. Talk about these two.
Jason Moore
I want to talk about the second one because.
Mike Wright
Go ahead.
Jason Moore
Eric Ebron. I still am a huge believer in Eric Ebron and I know that's not a popular thing to do because he is disappointed for being a number 10 overall NFL draft pick, but if you look at his three years, he disappointed me. Well, that's good.
Andy Holloway
I don't look at last year and say Eric Ebron is a huge disappointment.
Jason Moore
No.
Andy Holloway
But unless you were expecting him to be. Unless you overdrafted him and I don't know.
Jason Moore
Yeah. I think my point is that people wanted him to come out and be one of those top five fantasy tight ends when he was drafted, you know, a couple years ago. But he has improved every single season. He gets a bad rap for drops and going into this NFL draft, one of the deepest classes for tight ends.
Andy Holloway
We were worried about him.
Jason Moore
There were questions of are they going to take in Joku? Are they, you know, what if, what if Howard falls there, which he almost did, and then are they going to pick up that 50 year option? This is saying we are now committed to him. He's necessary for the offense. He's going to be here this year, he's going to be there next year and he's.
Andy Holloway
This is year what?
Jason Moore
This is year four.
Andy Holloway
Four. Okay.
Mike Wright
He's disappointing to me as far as he's in the perfect situation.
Andy Holloway
The Jermichael Finley of the modern age.
Mike Wright
He's with the Lions. They are a pass happy team. When's the last time they had a dominant running back?
Jason Moore
Barry Sanders.
Mike Wright
Thank you for proving my point. And, and then on top of that, they didn't have a really reliable second weapon. Marvin Jones, you know, had those great couple games to start, but then he was just basically a disaster for the rest of the season. You had Golden Tate, they're relying on Anquan Bolden and it's just, you have Eric Ebron there. Why are you not the guy who is stepping up, forcing your hand, forcing the team to get you the ball?
Jason Moore
And see, here's the thing. I think Eric Ebron did do that. He just didn't score touchdowns. And that's one of those things that's always hard to. To quantify and predict.
Andy Holloway
He's a positive regression candidate. He'll probably be a sleeper for us on our draft game.
Jason Moore
I mean, he had five touchdowns in his sophomore year. He only had one touchdown last year. But if you look at his receptions, he went from 25 his rookie year to 47 to 61. And he only played 13 games last year and he had 61 for 711 yards. Had he had, you know, normal tight end touchdown numbers, people would be loving him. So I really do. He's one of my favorite draft candidates for his ADP right now.
Andy Holloway
Justin Forsett retired from the NFL, but his Twitter lives on, so we can be happy about that.
Mike Wright
I love Justin for set. Appreciate your time, my friend. Enjoy retirement.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. Yeah. Hope it treats you. Treats you well. All right, the NFC East. We're going to start right now the NFC winners and losers from the draft. We're going to start with the Dallas Cowboys, a team we knew heading into the draft needed to address the defensive side of the ball. They did that with their first three picks, which was a defensive end and two cornerbacks.
Mike Wright
They addressed Tuesdays.
Andy Holloway
What's that?
Mike Wright
Taco Tuesdays.
Andy Holloway
All right, Mike, Always on top of the analysis. Ryan Switzer in the fourth round, a 58181 wide receiver out of North Carolina and a seventh round wide receiver. So from the. On the offensive side of the ball.
Jason Moore
You know, they didn't touch much.
Andy Holloway
They didn't touch.
Jason Moore
I mean, they got a great wide receiver for their system. Obviously, Cole Beasley works. Ryan Switzer's called Cole Beasley. I mean, they're very similar types of players. Small, great, you know, quickness and route running. But this offense is intact. Everybody that you were already going to draft is great. I would say the only, you know, winner, since everyone else is fine, is Jason Whitten, because they could have gone out and got his heir apparent. They didn't. So he's going to be.
Andy Holloway
I would have put. I would put Darren McFadden on the list. Darren McFadden is an actual winner because they didn't bring another backup in. They obviously feel confident that McFadden can do that job, and we know how great that job is if someone goes down ahead of him.
Mike Wright
And the Switzer pick. So Cole Beasley is coming to the end of his contract. The Cowboys can get out after this season extremely cheap. And Cole Beasley, he accounted for 20% of their targets last year. This is a position that Dak likes to target. Now I know that Dez missed some time, but it's still. Dez Bryant played, you know, 12 games. He's just, he is a part of that offense, that slot receiver. So in a ppr. I like taking Switzerland in a dynasty. Yeah. With a. Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Dynasty.
Mike Wright
Third round rookie pick.
Andy Holloway
I don't think it's going to affect Beasley. This Beasley this year.
Jason Moore
Agree.
Andy Holloway
Let's talk about the Philadelphia Eagles, one of the teams that we thought could snag a running back very early in the draft. So I guess by way of not doing that, they, you know, Darren Sprols has an established role. The beat writer opinion is that Sprouls is still going to headline that dirty backfield as I'll call it right now. Because look, you have Wendell Smallwood who I think they. My opinion is the team likes Wendell Smallwood.
Mike Wright
Just. Just bananas.
Andy Holloway
Well, I don't think Wendell Smallwood did anything wrong last year at all.
Mike Wright
He didn't do anything right.
Andy Holloway
He didn't have the opportunity.
Jason Moore
One of the things.
Andy Holloway
But I don't think he's a headline back.
Jason Moore
You know, after the draft we look at, you know, we talked last show about, you know, what is the team saying, their truth. Because they drafted who they did and they didn't, you know, draft a running back. So sometimes you could say, okay, that shows confidence in their players. Right. You say, well, they like Wendell Smallwood. I don't think that's the case here. Some reports after the draft were talking about how they were looking at Dalvin Cook, but the Vikings, I think they wanted Dalvin Cook and the Vikings traded up unexpectedly to snag him away. The draft just didn't fall that direction. And then, you know, their board dictated other options. So this is one I would just throw a little bit of caution saying that they are happy with their current running backs and I could still expect to see changes as the season progresses.
Andy Holloway
Mike, before you contribute there, I do want to take a quick second and remind everybody that.
Mike Wright
Thank you.
Andy Holloway
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Jason Moore
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Andy Holloway
All right, back to the Eagles. You were about to contribute some thoughts there. On the backfield. Danelle Pumphrey was drafted in, what, the fifth round? And then you had.
Mike Wright
How would you pronounce the pumphrey?
Andy Holloway
With an umphrey.
Mike Wright
Thank you.
Andy Holloway
Yes, with an umphrey. He was sandwiched by a couple of wide receivers as well. So winners, losers. Is there anybody unmentioned here in Philadelphia?
Mike Wright
So the loser to me would. It's the. When you're looking at the wide receiver crew, you have Green Beckham, who's appears to be the failed busted draft pick, second round, I believe Nelson Aguilar, failed first round pick. But Mack Hollins has size, he has speed to easily replace the depth that Green Beckham was providing.
Andy Holloway
If you want to call a winner, I mean, Carson wins of the off season. It was comedic last year. The wide receiver core that Philadelphia was running out there, it was a gun with no bullets in the chamber this offseason.
Mike Wright
You know, it had the flag with the boom or pow on it.
Andy Holloway
Pew.
Jason Moore
Pew.
Andy Holloway
And now you add Alshon Jeffrey, Tori Smith, Mack Hollins, Shelton Gibson in the fifth round. This is a significant offseason and draft capital spent to equip. We've seen this around the league, right? Jameis Winston, Tampa, they just did this. Corey Davis and they drafted another wide receiver whose name's Escaping. Taylor.
Mike Wright
Taywan Taylor.
Andy Holloway
Taylor. Taylor in Tennessee. Look, you traded everything to get Carson Wentz. Literally. They don't have anything left. And then now you have an opportunity to equip him. And I think that's. That's the message here. So certainly.
Jason Moore
But more. More in free agency than. Than the draft. I think these are future. Future wide receivers versus people that'll make any impact this year.
Andy Holloway
Look, you got to add enough if you want to get Dorielle Green Beckham to walk out the door. You. You got to get enough guys. All right? The New York Football Giants, Evan Ingram in the first round. Jason, you're going to be. They chose Ingram over in Joku. I know that you're not happy, but Evan Ingram is a mismatch. He's a speedster. He's 63234. And in just another. Another piece that says, hey, if you can't do it now, Eli, you're not going to do it at all. I mean, that's what it says to me. You've got Brandon Marshall in there. Evan Ingram. Is there any potential chance that you view Odell Beckham Jr. As a loser in this offseason because of. Okay, you've got Brandon Marshall and Evan Ingram. Both should be goal line weapons.
Jason Moore
None for me.
Mike Wright
None. None for me.
Andy Holloway
Just check it.
Mike Wright
No. And that's a good thing to check.
Jason Moore
But always have to ask these questions.
Mike Wright
But Odell Beckham, despite his size, is just that good at football. It doesn't matter where you are on the field, he scores. I mean we had talked about this, that half of his touchdowns were from 7 yards or shorter. I mean he just, he just has that knack. He can get open and he can make.
Andy Holloway
I guess we never question, we don't really question Antonio Brown.
Mike Wright
Exactly.
Andy Holloway
When you add in and that's who you add. Juju Smith, Schuster and Martavis Bryant. How's Antonio Brown? He's fine. Yeah, no big deal.
Jason Moore
I also think that when you look at what they brought in, it's not going to necessarily take away from any one person. I think it's going to just add to the offense because you know the New York giants, they were 25th in the league in just scoring and so if, you know, if. I don't think that it necessarily takes anything away. Odell Beckham was great when they were the 25th scoring team. I see the Giants as a team retooling their offense that's going to score more. Eli is the clear big winner both in free agency and with getting Evan Ingram. But I don't worry about Odell Beckham at all.
Andy Holloway
I consider Paul Perkins a big winner in this draft because if you had dropped Samaj, P. Ryan, Deontay Foreman, Kareem Hunt on the Giants, there's cause for concern when you draft the fifth round running back. Fourth, fourth round running back.
Mike Wright
That's the same round as P. Ryan though.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, that's true, that's true. But look, what were the options here you bring in? Would you be happier if they had brought in LeGarrett Blunt in the in.
Mike Wright
Off season dude to take away?
Andy Holloway
Look, they were going to bring somebody.
Mike Wright
I agree.
Andy Holloway
So I guess in my opinion I'm looking at Paul Perkins this offseason and I'm not delusional enough to think. Paul Perkins, RB1 locked and loaded 20 carries game. I'm trying to figure out what the least amount of damage to his value can happen to me. A fourth round running back is about as little of damage you could do.
Mike Wright
Yeah, it's.
Andy Holloway
And they talk him up. They talked him up. Well, after this pick it's.
Mike Wright
It's tough to know what's going to happen with Paul Perkins. Paul Perkins was a fifth round pick last year. So you have even a lower draft capital invested in him than with Wayne Gallman. Gallman is. He's from Clemson, so most people know who he is. He was not a running back who I was overly impressed with. But what are they going to do because you know he's much larger than Paul Perkins. So if anyone profiles as a goal line running back, if they're going to do that, it would be Gallman. Meanwhile, they have a thousand pass catching running backs on the team. You got Chandron, the big salad. You still have Shane Vereen.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Mike Wright
So where does Paul Perkins fit into the. To me, he's a loser. From the fact that the mess just got messier. You handed a toddler an open can of Spaghettios and said have at it.
Andy Holloway
Does that mean you would take a flyer on Gallman?
Mike Wright
Probably not.
Andy Holloway
Because we know that the load's not going to be carried by Vereen and it's not going to be carried by Drone.
Mike Wright
I don't think it's.
Andy Holloway
But carrying the load doesn't seem to matter in New York lately.
Mike Wright
Yeah, and that's the point. They went first round on Evan Ingram. They first round bolstered up the passing game. They were already a very pass happy team. They were. They ran a three wide set more than anyone else in the NFL. And now you have a mismatched tweener tight end situation. So the running backs for the Giants.
Andy Holloway
You might call him a loser.
Mike Wright
Yeah, Perkins. Yeah, Yeah, I do have him as a loser.
Andy Holloway
All right. I was more worried about that first round, second round guy going to New York.
Mike Wright
That's understandable.
Andy Holloway
All right. You want to talk Washington, Jason?
Jason Moore
Yeah. We can get into the Redskins with your.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Jason Moore
My boy Mike is just dying to make Samaj Pirine's nickname, the pain bot.
Mike Wright
It's already happened.
Andy Holloway
Let me get this right.
Mike Wright
All he knows is pain man.
Andy Holloway
Samaj Piran. You snagged him in the Dynasty league, right?
Mike Wright
Oh, all right. Foot Clan.
Andy Holloway
I need to make a. What happened? What happened, Mike?
Mike Wright
Dear diary, I thought when.
Andy Holloway
What pick did you have?
Mike Wright
I thought when our producer Brooks moved in town, I looked at this situation, I thought, I have a new friend. Yeah, I have a new friend. He has enriched and made my life better.
Jason Moore
We're friends.
Mike Wright
This is not your diary entry, Brooks.
Andy Holloway
Get out of my head.
Mike Wright
Well, our rookie draft started. I have the 111 and my good friend air quotes. Good friend Brooks had the 109 and he knew of my love for Samaj Painbot and he stole him from me. He took him the rug right under my feet. I hit my face on the way down. I was unconscious. I was.
Andy Holloway
In fact, you have Rob Kelly in that league.
Mike Wright
I have Rob Kelly in that league.
Andy Holloway
You should have traded up.
Jason Moore
Samaj Pirrine. Is the reason that you like him one, you liked him before the draft. You liked him from what you Saw on film, I was a little bit more lukewarm. But his highlights were great and I think he was much better a few years ago. But he goes into one of the best situations out there. I mean, before the draft, you're looking at Rob Kelly saying what do the Redskins really believe? And you go into the draft and you see and while Gallman and P. Ryan were both fourth rounders, they were opposite ends of the fourth round. I mean, there were, you know, five, six running backs basically between those two players. It seems to me like they actually did invest in P. Ryan and because of his talent, because of that offensive line. And he's really kind of a Rob Kelly team.
Mike Wright
That's who he is.
Jason Moore
You know, he's not going to be coming in and taking over Chris Thompson's role. He's Chris Thompson's safe. And so P. Ryan can come in and I think be the starter. And we saw Rob Kelly be fantasy relevant when he was the starter. P. Ryan is far more talented than Rob Kelly in my estimation. So if or when he takes that over, he will make a fantasy impact.
Andy Holloway
Let me ask you this. Where did Kareem Hunt go in the third round?
Mike Wright
I can tell you what picked they did trade up for Kareem Hunt.
Jason Moore
Kareem Hunt. Yeah, they, they sold farm to trade up into the third round. Pick 86.
Andy Holloway
86. So at. So on the board for the Redskins in their third round was Kareem Hunt. And I'm just surprised they didn't go Kareem Hunt because I think Kareem Hunt had 700 plus carries without a fumble in college. And that seems to be the thing that destroyed whoever fumbles the least this year. Maybe the guy getting the carries between P. Ryan. I will Rob Kelly.
Mike Wright
But P. Ryan is also not stalwart.
Andy Holloway
In keeping the ball off the ground.
Mike Wright
But so here's, here's what I love. What is happening.
Andy Holloway
Sorry about that.
Mike Wright
So yeah, they, at least I'm on sports reference.com and they do not have a fumble for P. Ryan.
Andy Holloway
Well, it makes sense. Gruden Gruden did not like the Matt Jones fumbles.
Mike Wright
And if you don't recall back a few years ago, P. Ryan held the record for the most rushing yards in a single game.
Andy Holloway
Was he the one that he held it for a week for like yeah, Melvin Gordon the next week.
Mike Wright
But I mean he had that. He was, he had to split time with Joe Mix and he's just, he's a tremendous running back. To me he has much better hands than Rob Kelly. So if that's just another plus for him to take that job early. High powered offense.
Andy Holloway
What's the ceiling for Samaj P. Ryan? Perfect season comes along, a low end one. Is he like a Jordan Howard was last year?
Mike Wright
Yeah, he's a perfect perfect storm. He's a low end one. I'm not by any means calling him elite top five Guy heard it here first.
Andy Holloway
Elite top five smash.
Mike Wright
Because he won't, he won't take that workload like, like a dj. But he can be very good, very.
Andy Holloway
Effective and we saw, I mean look, Rob Kelly on the talent spectrum. They're great offense better and yet it made a big difference. Let's move to the NFC West.
Jason Moore
Here's another very, very interesting running back selection to me. If we're talking about The San Francisco.
Andy Holloway
49Ers, that's who we're talking about.
Jason Moore
Well, there you go. You have a pick that after the draft you had head coach Kyle Shanahan talking about how when he was not on their board, how sick he would have been to miss out on Joe Williams. Joe Williams, yet another fourth round running back. And so you questioned coming in, do they. They talked about, oh hey, at number two, we're thinking Leonard Fournette. So was that just smoke? Was that not. Are they happy with Carlos Hyde? Do they need to bring someone in? But Kyle Shanahan has a history.
Andy Holloway
You've been kind of obsessed with Joe Williams. You've been kind of focused on him.
Mike Wright
I'm with Jason on this.
Jason Moore
I think Joe Williams has an opportunity to come in and be Kyle Shanahan's guy. You know, I mean Hyde was not this regime's running back choice. I think Hyde is fine. He's good running back. He's obviously had major health problems, but he takes a hit to me because now Kyle Shanahan, who has a history of grabbing later round running backs and bringing them in, Alfred Morris, well, he.
Mike Wright
Learned it from his pops, right?
Jason Moore
I mean this is.
Mike Wright
You take any running back and your system is so good that you have a thousand yard rusher.
Jason Moore
So I mean if Joe Mix. Joe Mixon. If Joe Williams ends up being Kyle Shanahan's guy, Joe Williams is going to be drafted extremely late, undrafted type of player. If you're talking redraft leagues and he's a guy that I am targeting as one of those high upside sleepers. If he gets that role.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Is there any chance he wins the role in the preseason?
Mike Wright
I put low chance on that.
Andy Holloway
Okay.
Mike Wright
But he could be earned his way quickly into a timeshare and on top of that, for Carlos Hyde being a loser, San Francisco traded for Capri Bibs. So they added another guy. It's Joe Williams. Think of it. I know you're going a little narrative street here, but Joe Williams playing that Tevin Coleman role was that trade mid.
Andy Holloway
Draft, the Capri Bibbs trade? Yes. There weren't a lot of player oriented trades during the draft.
Mike Wright
No, it was pretty infrequent in the NFL.
Andy Holloway
But they traded and got Capri Bibs and the Broncos got a fourth I believe in 2018. So any other fantasy notes here? I mean the wide receiver, wide receiving core, you know, they drafted a quarterback in the third round. We know they have Brian Hoyer. I mean third round's a fairly strong investment at the quarterback position.
Mike Wright
Yeah, yeah, it's all right. But I had the A whoever the wide receiver to emerges as for San Francisco, which we can't. I can't confidently say who that would be.
Andy Holloway
I think it's curly. I mean, yeah, it could be curly.
Mike Wright
I mean they signed Goodwin, who's crazy fast, but obviously. But whoever it is, I think they won because the team did not invest when they had a lot of needs to be fair for San Francisco. So investing in a wide receiver would have probably been a bad move. But as for this year, the wide receiver, whoever the two is, they're going to get some targets.
Andy Holloway
Arizona Cardinals Arizona Cardinals invested their top two picks on defensive players, a linebacker, Hassan Redick and Buddha Baker. You move into the third round and you drafted a surprise pick. I think for the majority of those draft pundits out there now, the third rounds where they've made hay in recent years with Tyron Matthew and David Johnson, maybe you've heard of him. Chad Williams goes in the third round. Wide receiver out of Grambling State, I believe the first wide receiver drafted out of or the first player drafted out of Grambling since 2006. Big Guy 61204 Freakish athlete. Freakish athlete. The kind of player that Bruce Arians likes to bring in. Fast and capable but might need some time in the system to become something. We had kind of thought maybe Arizona would be grabbing a Corey Davis early. Not expecting Corey Davis to go number five. To me, I viewed David Johnson a winner in this draft not because they didn't draft somebody to compete with him, because nobody can compete with David Johnson in this offense, but because they strengthen the defense and this team should lean on the running game, the foundation of this team as opposed to going and getting a high profile wide receiver and.
Mike Wright
They grabbed a couple linemen as well.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, they grabbed some linemen. So to me, David Johnson's a winner, if it's possible for him to, to be a winner. And look, I don't see a lot of losers on this in this situation. Do you guys have any other thoughts in Arizona?
Jason Moore
No, I don't think there are any losers other than maybe you could argue that Carson Palmer missed out on that, you know, top flight wide receiver addition. But no, I mean, and you know, Chad Williams is a name that you just need to keep in, keep in the back of your mind. Because while I didn't love his film, I trust Arians history and Steve Keim's history for both wide receivers and magical third round picks.
Mike Wright
Yeah. And it's, it's not just the opportunity is there too. Yeah. Larry Fitzgerald's going to be gone. Chad Williams is just a super interesting guy for Dynasty. Where does he go? I'm with Jason that when I was. What I. I didn't know who Chad Williams was and. But when Bruce Arians takes a wide receiver in the third round. Okay, well, I'm going to go check it out. I wasn't overly impressed by what I saw, however, notable third round wide receivers that Bruce Arians has made magic for. Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders, Ty Hilton, John Brown. That's.
Andy Holloway
Those are all third round.
Mike Wright
They were all third round picks. These are in the. That's a strong list.
Andy Holloway
Name them one more time. I want to hear those.
Mike Wright
Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders, Ty Hilton, John Brown.
Jason Moore
To say nothing of Antonio Brown, who was a later round pick.
Mike Wright
Right. These are guys that he worked with. I mean, he was the offensive coordinator and the wide receiver coach for Pittsburgh. And then of course, he was the Colts interim head coach when they picked Hilton up. But just where do you, what do you, what value do you guys put on Chad Williams for a Dynasty rookie draft knowing that Larry Fitzgerald is gone next year?
Andy Holloway
John Brown, Yeah, but Carson Palmer's probably gone next year.
Jason Moore
Sure.
Mike Wright
But the value offense system.
Andy Holloway
Sure. I have other guys that I like. I mean, a lot of guys are like higher than him. Probably a third round pick.
Jason Moore
Yeah. Third round or out of the third round, depending on how. How rookie drafts fall.
Andy Holloway
One of the guys I like more than Chad Williams is Josh Reynolds in St. Louis, fourth round Los Angeles. Oh, my gosh. How many times am I going to do that? Brooks, Brooks, when you write the Rams name in docs from now on, put LA in front of it until you train me like I'm some sort of.
Mike Wright
I'm Ron Burgundy.
Andy Holloway
Monkey Cooper cup and Josh Reynolds drafting the third and fourth round for the LA Rams. You had Gerald Everett, the tight end going in the second round. I think the Gerald Everett pick, I think it's a good pick. I also think it was kind of like a deflating selection at the position because you had the kind of Njoku and Ingram and Howard were off the board and yet you were sitting here at the early part of the second round and Everett was the next natural name off the board. But those of you who are Tyler Higbee truthers can't be happy with this draft pick here. He's a loser in this one.
Jason Moore
No. And from what I understand, you know, out of la is that they were actually targeting Gerald Everett. This is a really deep tight end class. It's not just the three names that you're used to hearing. He is a quality tight end and so I think that it's a name you might want to look for for the future. But Jared Goff is also a winner from the draft. Now he lost in free agency, so it's probably just a wash, but coming into the draft they got him pieces. Two wide receivers and a good pass catching tight end is a win for the quarterback coming into his second year.
Mike Wright
The Rams are going to be disappointed at, they're going to call for. Can we figure out how to get more slot receivers onto the field because their wide receiver core is littered with.
Andy Holloway
You're talking about Cooper Cup.
Mike Wright
I'm not just Cooper, but go look.
Andy Holloway
At their mixing with Taylor Austin and Robert Woods.
Mike Wright
Yeah, it's just, it's crazy how many slot guys they have. But just to re. Emphasize for Gerald Everett, they did not have a first round pick. This is their first pick in the draft and they targeted Gerald Everett. This is Sean McVeigh who just ran an offense for two years that ran through the tight end position.
Andy Holloway
That's why we like Tigbee to a degree.
Mike Wright
Yes.
Andy Holloway
All right, Seattle, the Seahawks, they, they had a lot of picks. They had a lot of picks.
Jason Moore
They just kept trading down. They traded, I think three times. They traded down before taking their first pick.
Andy Holloway
They had two second rounders and four third round picks. The first offensive piece that they grabbed was I believe third round pick Amara.
Mike Wright
Skill position.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
I don't even know how to, I don't remember how to pronounce his last name. Darbo.
Mike Wright
Let's go with that.
Andy Holloway
Darbo. Amara Dabaro. Darbo Dabaro.
Jason Moore
I like that. Amaro Dabaro.
Andy Holloway
Amaro Dabaro. Wide receiver, 6 2, 214 out of Michigan. Who's the winner in this draft? Took a center in the second round.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Line.
Mike Wright
I like that a lot. They had to address the O line, but it's. This is a zero sum here for me. It's whoever was. So I guess maybe say the winners of whoever was already there in Seattle.
Andy Holloway
You know, they've been in need of a center since they shipped one off.
Jason Moore
For Jimmy Graham of an entire offensive line. But yes, I think they were a little bit losers.
Mike Wright
They.
Jason Moore
I think they traded, you know, down a couple spots and Jacksonville came up and selected Cam Robinson.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Jason Moore
And it's like, well, that's a player Seattle could have used. Why. Why not take him? I mean, maybe they didn't like him.
Mike Wright
When you dance with the devil.
Jason Moore
But as of right now, I don't really trust their current offensive line evaluations because their offensive line hasn't been good. So I would say this was a loser draft. A little bit for. For Russell Wilson. They didn't add anything to me. I mean, I guess that second round center, that's good, but I feel like they could have done more to help him so that. Yeah.
Andy Holloway
If you were expecting that offensive line to get better, I don't know if you think they got better enough.
Jason Moore
Yeah, a second round center is all you got.
Andy Holloway
All right. NFC north time. All right. Let's talk about the Chicago Bears.
Jason Moore
Oh. Oh, man.
Andy Holloway
Now, I have been the one that said I thought Mitchell Trubisky was the best quarterback of this year.
Mike Wright
You have.
Andy Holloway
I also have been the one that said I believe Carson Wentz is better than all the quarterbacks in this draft. And that certainly. I didn't. I expected Drubisky to go at 2 because he's a quarterback. I didn't think he belonged at 2. I certainly didn't know he was going to go to the Chicago Bears. This was a monstrous trade. And I play the music because the sentiment in Chicago seemed to match it. You had Mike Glenn in there. They just paid Mike Glennon to come in. And now you got Mitch Trubisky.
Mike Wright
You had Mike Glennon at the team's draft party.
Jason Moore
So mean. Hey, come and join us. The fans are going to love it. See, they're starting.
Andy Holloway
I didn't hear that.
Mike Wright
If you had any inkling that this is what you were going to do as a team.
Andy Holloway
Stay home.
Jason Moore
They were.
Andy Holloway
Stay home, Glennon.
Mike Wright
Why would you do that?
Jason Moore
They were divided, though. I mean, the gm, Ryan Pace and John Fox are not agreeing. They are not building together in the same Direction here. This is, you know, a house divided is going to crumble here. And the worst part about drafting Mitchell Trubisky, you know, a lot's going to be fine if he turns out to be a great player, but the issue is not there. The issue is that he would have been there at your next pick. You're the next pick.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Jason Moore
The only other trade up to the number two rumors even were just Leonard Fournette with the Jacksonville Jaguars. It's just mind blowing to me that they gave up that much to move up one spot for a team that was not going to take him.
Andy Holloway
It's the fear, man. The fear in the quarterback position. I mean, Mike Glennon's an obvious loser in this situation because look, it's been the number two pick on him. He's going to play. That's the end of the story for all of these guys.
Mike Wright
And it to kind of just back up what Jason was saying. If Trubisky is a franchise quarterback, I mean there's a low percentage of that.
Andy Holloway
But.
Mike Wright
But if. Then they really didn't give up a lot for a franchise quarterback compared to what people have been doing in the past couple of years. I mean a three, two threes and. Oh, no, three threes. Wait, am I reading this right? No. I apologize. So two three and a four.
Andy Holloway
Two threes and a four and they.
Mike Wright
Swapped to get your franchise guy. That's not a ton. But I agree with Jason that they got duped.
Andy Holloway
If you're not happy with Tyler Higby situation with Los Angeles drafting a tight end, how can you be happy with Zach Miller situation with a second round pick being used by the Bears?
Mike Wright
Yeah. And Adam Shaheen has. He's got some juice.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Mike Wright
This is a big.
Andy Holloway
And we know Zach Miller's old.
Jason Moore
Yes.
Mike Wright
You can't rely on Zach. Well, I don't know if you can ever rely on Zach Miller just given the track record of his career. But Adam Shaheen, 6, 6 2, 78, very athletic.
Andy Holloway
It's a downgrade for me.
Jason Moore
For Zach Miller, it's a downgrade to me for all of the offensive weapons. Like I. This is a team to me where I was really excited to see. What does Cameron Meredith do? What does Kevin White do? What? What does Zach Miller do? All of these options. And while I don't think Mike Glennon is great for year one, I'm not talking dynasty here, just redraft options. I think that these. All the pass catchers take a step back because Glennon's not going to play.
Andy Holloway
16 that's what I was going to ask you do think that they'll bring Trubisky into the.
Mike Wright
Yes.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I think.
Andy Holloway
I think Glennon will play over under 10 games. For Glennon, I'd probably take the under.
Jason Moore
You know, I think Glennon will play.
Andy Holloway
I'll take the over.
Jason Moore
I think Glennon will play six, seven, eight games and he'll be better than an incoming rookie, Trubisky, who's played 12 college games for the production of those wide receivers.
Andy Holloway
So there's a lot wrong there.
Jason Moore
Kind of the darts that I wanted to throw at some of those in redraft formats at those pass catchers. I'm going to throw those elsewhere.
Andy Holloway
All right. The Detroit Lions Lions drafted a wide receiver, Kenny Galladay in the third round.
Mike Wright
I like it.
Andy Holloway
Added a tight end in the fourth round and.
Mike Wright
Do. Do you hear something? Hold on.
Jason Moore
Listen. Oh, no. Yeah. I thought that was pulling up.
Mike Wright
Pulling up to the station. The big winner from the Detroit Lions.
Jason Moore
Choo choo.
Mike Wright
The Amir Abdullah Express ready for.
Andy Holloway
I can't even argue with you, which is so annoying.
Jason Moore
I will say this.
Andy Holloway
I wish I could.
Jason Moore
From the draft. Amir Abdullah is a clear winner.
Andy Holloway
He is.
Jason Moore
However, there are already.
Mike Wright
Get out of here with your however.
Jason Moore
I believe Legara Blunt has a scheduled visit with the Lions as well. So that I agree from the draft.
Andy Holloway
With that Joy Bell speed coming at you from. Do you know who else is visiting? I kid you not. I did not know Legarre Blunt had a scheduled visit. Who's slower than Leguerre Blunt and Joy Bell?
Mike Wright
Oh, man, give it to me.
Andy Holloway
Matt Aziata.
Jason Moore
Oh, that's right.
Andy Holloway
Coming in for a visit when Joyk Bell. I did hear that when Joic Bell is too fast for you, you bring in Matt Aziata for a workout.
Jason Moore
Me? Am I going to the Lions?
Andy Holloway
Yes, you have a scheduled workout.
Mike Wright
But to me, Amir Abdullah, he has to be a winner. They've. They've called him the starting running back.
Andy Holloway
They strengthened the offensive line on the offseason.
Mike Wright
So I like it. I'm probably going to be back fully on board with the Express. And when you were. You were mentioning Kenny Golladay.
Andy Holloway
I wanted them to draft this exact.
Mike Wright
Type of player that's big, a big boy to 18.
Andy Holloway
They needed one.
Mike Wright
And you still. You'll have Marvin Jones still. But Golden Tate. Yeah, Golden Tate gets to be what he is and that's a high, high volume possession guy coming out of the slot. And so can we get Golden Tate back to what he was a couple years ago? That'd be fantastic.
Jason Moore
Absolutely. You can. I mean, you saw the second half of last year. He just got off to a slow start as they were trying to force feed Marvin Jones into the offense. And I would say we talked about it earlier, but I think Eric Ebron is a winner. They did draft a tight end in the fourth round, but I mean, they didn't grab anybody who's going to come in and steal snaps at all.
Andy Holloway
All right, we're moving on to the Packers. The packers, big story here. Big fantasy storyline. Jamal Williams, fourth round pick. Love the draft pick was surprised they waited as long as they did for a running back considering they had four picks ahead of that. But they did invest the pick on Jamal Williams. They came out and said Ty Montgomery is still the starting running back. But that is such a.
Mike Wright
It's.
Andy Holloway
It's such a nondescript type of role in. By saying he's the starting running back, it's not saying a lot is all I'm. Is all. I mean, I like Ty Montgomery. I projected him to catch the ball. I projected him to run the ball. I just don't see him as somebody that's not going to split time with Jamal Williams.
Jason Moore
I'm happy to hear you say that because I know right after the draft I heard one of you two, I don't even remember say that you think, you know, Ty Montgomery is safe and he's in his role. And I've seen reports that he is a winner after the draft. I can't even wrap my head around that because, look, he's named the starter that. Well, that's great. Kind of like Andy, you're saying it's not a script. That's great. But what did the Giants or what did the packers think of their running back situation? They drafted three running backs. They didn't just in the fourth round.
Andy Holloway
Draft, Jamal Williams cut Kristen Michael.
Jason Moore
Yeah. They obviously did not like rip their running back situation. They cut Michael and Jackson. Right? Yeah. They were told to beat it as a headline set in Green Bay, so. But my point is they were not confident that Ty Montgomery can be their main running back for this season.
Andy Holloway
He can't be confident.
Jason Moore
Of course not.
Andy Holloway
He's too. He's been hurt. He's been banged up his career. Even last year after, after he took over at a running back position, he got hurt again and he missed time. You have to split time with him. Doesn't mean he's not going to be fantasy relevant. He's going to be very fan. I almost made a trade for him today.
Mike Wright
Yeah. I'm not off of Montgomery. And while Jamal Williams was a guy I liked as a later round pick who my alleged friend also stole out from underneath my feet. But while I was taking my victory.
Andy Holloway
Lap, Brooks was in the bushes. By the way, if you know about the bushes, Bush was hiding in there whispering.
Mike Wright
There are some very unsavory things going.
Andy Holloway
Down in the bushes.
Mike Wright
In the bushes. But while I'm taking my victory lap around Twitter, like, yeah, P. Ryan, Jamal Williams. And then the fifth round, then they grab Aaron Jones, who's a sneaky type of guy who, who can profile out as a pass catcher, truly. So you're just like, what is going on with the Green Bay running back?
Andy Holloway
We need to move. We need to move on.
Mike Wright
Never.
Andy Holloway
Jason, you have something profound and life changing to say.
Jason Moore
I do. I just, I want to say that to me, the Green Bay packers running back situation, I know a lot of people are targeting Jamal Williams. This is one I want to avoid because I think all three of those guys, Aaron Jones, Jamal Williams, anti Montgomery, can get the job done and will be involved.
Mike Wright
Donner party situation.
Andy Holloway
0 wide receivers drafted by the Packers. Little butt tap for Devonte Adams and company there, the Vikings. The Vikings surprised a lot of people.
Mike Wright
They dominated the seventh round.
Andy Holloway
They. They dominated the seventh round. They moved up.
Jason Moore
Wow.
Andy Holloway
Four picks in the seventh. They traded up surprised a lot of people, including the Philadelphia Eagles they drafted and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, in my opinion, Dalvin Cook, they made him the ninth pick of the second round. He had fallen far enough. The Vikings traded up to grab him. It's interesting that the pick that they ended up trading ended up being Joe Mixon.
Mike Wright
Yeah, it's very interesting.
Andy Holloway
And then they lost the fourth round wide receiver Josh Malone. Well, I mean, obviously they could have drafted anybody, but Dalvin Cook steps into Minnesota, typically a bad offensive line situation. Now they did invest a third round pick in a center, but last year it was trouble for the.
Mike Wright
That's, that's taking it easy on him.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, it is. Dalvin Cook doesn't necessarily, you know, he's not necessarily between the tackles all day long. He can do other things. He can be a bigger part of this offense. Latavius Murray's a loser.
Mike Wright
Yes. Latavius Murray is the quintessential volume is king for fantasy football.
Andy Holloway
I thought you were going to say the quintessential loser. I thought you're going to go hard.
Mike Wright
But Latavius Murray, who in Oakland behind a spectacular offensive line, could only plot his way to fantasy value, which I mean, he did.
Jason Moore
He's got touchdowns.
Mike Wright
I'm not going to take it away from him. A lot of touchdowns. But now you have a guy that they spent high draft capital, moved up.
Andy Holloway
To get him as a Latavius Murray. Murray owner. Not happy. Not happy at all. I went out and I projected Latavius Murray, and I'm talking. You've got incremental increases on Matt Aziata's numbers. You've got the guarantee to be. You should be in there around the goal. And you didn't pay him an offseason contract, but now he's coming off a surgery. I mean, I just don't see a high ceiling for Latavius Murray.
Mike Wright
I don't. I don't either.
Andy Holloway
Especially when he made his. He made it up last year on these little pass catches. And Dalvin Cook's gonna eat those up with a spoon.
Mike Wright
And McKinnon is still there. Latavius Murray's contract was very front loaded, so if they want to, they can move on from him next season. Now, for fantasy drafts, if Latavius Murray happens to be falling to, you know, an appropriate spot for me, you know, seventh, eighth round, I'll still take the shot on him. But it's.
Jason Moore
It sucks.
Mike Wright
He was. You won't at all in the eighth round.
Jason Moore
No, no.
Mike Wright
Okay.
Jason Moore
No, I won't. But if you said 17th, I would say yes.
Andy Holloway
17 pick overall.
Mike Wright
I mean, he was looking like a fourth round running back.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I traded for him because I thought, hey, look, there's a baseline there being the guy paid out of the backfield. Now it's all gone down the toilet. I mean, biggest loser of the draft, he's got to be in the top five.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I completely agree.
Andy Holloway
All right, we got to move on to the NFC South. We have not forgotten about you. Jameis Winston, live from his house.
Jason Moore
I mean, are you kidding me?
Andy Holloway
They said, hey, D. Jacks Evans. I always thought Humphrey was just fine. And you bring O.J. howard in, who. Look, the pick to me would have been Dalvin Cook if Howard hadn't dropped all the way down to 19. He was so close to getting to my pick there at what, 25? It wasn't going to happen. Chris Godwin in the third round. One of the guys that great pick, reception, perception.
Mike Wright
Loved Matt Harmon's favorite. I mean, just an absolute metric beast.
Andy Holloway
And he got McNichols.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I love Jeremy McNichols.
Andy Holloway
Great pick.
Mike Wright
It's very unfortunate that he was a fifth round pick. I mean, so it's an uphill Climb very overly crowded backfield with Doug Martin.
Jason Moore
Who they keep assuming they keep him.
Mike Wright
Why they keep talking of Doug Martin which maybe a lot of people are saying that's positive. It's bizarre to me that a guy you gave a ton of money, you're like, no, no, no. Fan base. He looks great. He's in the best shape of his life. He's the best player in camp.
Jason Moore
You know, we were looking at this the other day and it's just funny perception wise that when you look at Jacquiz Rogers and Doug Martin, Doug Martin is older than Jacquiz.
Andy Holloway
I couldn't believe it.
Jason Moore
It's just one of those like Jacquiz seems like this journeyman been around for a while.
Andy Holloway
AARP was going to let one of the two in. It would have been Jaquiz.
Jason Moore
Yeah. Nope. So I agree. McNichols. If Martin leaves then McNichols opportunity is great. He's good pass.
Mike Wright
Well, Charles Sims is still there too. So I mean he is, he's buried. But I think long term that Jeremy McNichols has the talent to make. I mean he had 40 plus receptions last year.
Andy Holloway
Doug Martin's a big winner to me. They didn't draft Alvin Cook, they didn't spend early capital. McNichols will compete. He's not going to compete for what Martin and Martin. All the reports about Martin is that he's the most impressive player right now in workouts.
Mike Wright
Weird.
Jason Moore
Look, it's weird because once it gets.
Andy Holloway
The ability to lead the league in rushing, this is fair. Yeah, but what you needed to see from Doug Martin was is this a guy committed to coming back and playing football or is this a guy that we thought was on the borderline of being cut?
Jason Moore
Yeah, I know you went through your running backs and you have Doug Martin very high for, you know.
Andy Holloway
I'll tell you exactly where I have him. I got Doug Martin in number 15, 18 overall in a standard league suspension, 14 in a half point and that is with a three game suspension considered. So I do like Doug Martin. I tried to make trades for him today in our dynasty league. I tried to move that Latavius Murray fellow and some other pieces to get Doug Martin and it didn't happen.
Mike Wright
It's too bad I don't have him because I would have gladly traded him to you.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I know we have our guys. The Atlanta Falcons will be quick through them because there just wasn't a, a lot of moves that made impacts here.
Jason Moore
Not on offense.
Andy Holloway
No. You had a fifth round running Back and Brian Hill from Wyoming picked in a fifth round tight end. But guys, I don't want to linger here if there's nothing to talk about. Winner, loser, wise.
Mike Wright
Nope. Everyone who was there, you win. Yep.
Andy Holloway
Welcome to the new Carolina Panthers offense. Christian McCaffrey and Curtis Samuel, welcome to the club. Christian McCaffrey. Apparently my take about him being drafted in the top 10 was not bold whatsoever. I do realize that now that wasn't the case in earlier mock drafts.
Jason Moore
No. Early on he was one of the biggest risers over the few months leading up to the draft, especially after the combine. He was so, so good at the combine and you know, look, you've seen a couple worries out there that Carolina does not throw the ball to the running back position.
Mike Wright
I have those numbers.
Jason Moore
Their volume is low and you can get to those numbers in a second. But my belief is that that's going to change. They don't draft Curtis Samuel and Christian McCaffrey and talk about how much the offense needs to evolve. Unless they are going to change what their offense is. They have a lot of turnover here on the offensive side of the ball. You got Ted Ginn is gone. New weapons in fast speed. I mean, they are looking like a different offense. My worry is not with the volume of the offense because I do think it changes. My worry is can Cam Newton be a good quarterback at actually passing touch passes to the running back position? That. That's my worry.
Andy Holloway
With Christian McCaffrey, I do not have any word. I think it's far too broad, sweeping and just a story of stories to have a problem with Christian McCaffrey in Carolina when. When Fozzie Whitaker had to be the lead back, guess What? He caught nine passes and then he caught five passes. It's not. Christian McAfee is great. You didn't have pieces there. Obviously Jonathan Stewart was not going to be featured in that way and so they didn't feature.
Mike Wright
Yeah. And so for those targets you have at least Cam's. Rookie year, Jonathan Stewart had 47 receptions. But basically every year since then, the running back has been targeted less and less. You're talking a 13% market share of the targets and 18% is middle of the pack. So I mean they're, they're way towards the bottom. And then you have another very concerning thing. Pat Thorman, my man from Pro Football Focus, tweeted out this, this graph.
Jason Moore
Great.
Mike Wright
A showing here is passer ratings. A pass rating of quarterbacks when they're throwing five yards or less.
Jason Moore
Those passes to Christian McCaffrey.
Mike Wright
It is comical how bad Cam Newton was last year. You're talking a sub 60 passer rating worse than Goff, Simeon Wentz, Taylor, I mean he is he. You got to look at the chart. It's just, it's extremely funny how bad he was. So that's why the. And I'm with Andy. I don't, I'm not off of McCaffrey. I think he's an incredibly talented guy. But it's just strange. It's a unique situation of a team that was in the super bowl two years ago and now they're saying they're revamping their offense, blowing it up and saying we are changing what the offense looks like.
Andy Holloway
Well, here's a couple things to keep in mind and I need, I need your guys perspective on something that I have not heard talked about nearly enough. But before that you've talked about Cam Newton and the fact that, look, he's at the point in his career where the rushing yards are going to have to come down to keep him healthy. Now you add this piece at the running back position. Jonathan Stewart still there. You got a slot receiver that can be your quicks instead of his legs. But what happens to Jonathan Stewart? Nobody talk. I mean, I think everybody sat there this offseason with a grimace about Jonathan Stewart. Now you draft Christian McCaffrey. I mean what is Jonathan Stewart just going to plummet down to the bottom of the ADP charts?
Jason Moore
Yes. And that, that's why I will probably.
Andy Holloway
He had nine touchdowns last year.
Jason Moore
I will probably have plenty, plenty of shares of Jonathan Stewart. I think people are going to overreact. Christian McCaffrey is not a guy that's going to come in and get 250 carries. That's not what they're bringing him in to do. They're bringing him in to, like we said, change that offense, get speed, get, you know, receptions out of the backfield. All of that. Jonathan Stewart will have, Jonathan Stewart will have goal line opportunities. He will have I think 150 plus rushing attempts. This is a team that runs the ball and I know they're, they're changing it up, but they're not just going to all of a sudden become a Drew Brees style offense. And so I think I'm a Jonathan Stewart. No one is going to want to draft Jonathan Stewart. I think he plummets an ADP and that's a guy that you're going to get eighth round or later. And if you tell, if you're telling me I have to draft in the eighth round, Jonathan Stewart or Latavius Murray?
Andy Holloway
I'm without a doubt those are the two I was about to ask you about. Because when Jonathan Stewart looks in the mirror, he sees Latavius Murray.
Mike Wright
Now I gotta tell you, during your thing, I know you know what happened.
Jason Moore
I saw.
Mike Wright
So I got Andy. I did not know. So I've been drinking my water, which. Yes. So I have my cup full of water. So it was completely regular. And as I get towards the bottom, I'm starting to get a hint of chocolate. And I'm like, this is actually, this is delightful. And I thought it was remnants from a coffee, from a chocolate coffee, only to have just gazed down and I have.
Jason Moore
You got Jasoned because Andy almond me a couple months ago and then he tried again today.
Mike Wright
It's very good if you have chocolate water.
Andy Holloway
It's great if you have a friend put an almond in their drink when they're not looking. When they're not looking.
Jason Moore
Good time.
Andy Holloway
We're gonna close this one out with the New Orleans Saints. The big story here is the biggest.
Mike Wright
Loser of the draft, maybe the biggest.
Andy Holloway
Loser of the off season in a lot of ways, Mark Ingram. Whoa. Is Mark Ingram. Alvin Kamara, drafted in the third round after Adrian Peterson was paid this off season and a trade up to grab Alvin Kamara. 5, 10, 2, 14, a guy that can catch passes. And then you have Adrian Peterson, a guy who can run it in from the goal line. And so Mark Ingram's left there with the. With a shrug and the middle finger from John Payton. So what do we do now?
Jason Moore
You kind of saw this layout back in the day when it was Darren Sprouls and Pierre Thomas and Mark Ingram. And so Mark Ingram is going to play his role that he played. He wasn't as involved catching the ball. I think you certainly have to move him down. And when you say the biggest loser in the draft, you're not speaking of the Saints, you're speaking of Mark Ingram.
Andy Holloway
Great for the Saints.
Jason Moore
Yeah. I mean, honestly, Alvin Camara is a guy. We're doing our rookie draft right now. I tried pick after pick after pick to try to trade up to get Alvin Camara. Because while I don't think he will ever, I mean, I know he will never take over the three down role. He is in a system that fits exactly what he does and has always been a fantasy producing spot, whether that was Pierre Thomas or Darren Sprols or.
Andy Holloway
You know, whoever knew Theo Riddick on your hands.
Jason Moore
Yeah. And so, you know, for me, I think Alvin Kamara is a great asset Mark Ingram is wrecked by this. He's going to be an RB2 is like his ceiling.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Here I'm going to put you on the spot first. This is Willie Sneed's a winner. Willis needs a winner. That needs to be mentioned because we said before the draft watch and see what happens. Will he needs a winner. Rank them. Mark Ingram, Latavius Murray, Jonathan Stewart. I would probably hide in there too.
Jason Moore
I would probably go still, even though I just said that he will be involved and I will go Ingram, Hyde, Stuart Murray.
Mike Wright
I would go Hyde, Ingram, Stewart, Murray.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I tend to agree.
Jason Moore
And in this super, super deep tight end draft class, they did not grab a tight end.
Mike Wright
It's a fair point.
Jason Moore
And so Kobe Fleener has another chance.
Andy Holloway
Are you telling me he can catch 52 passes again? Are you telling me he has the potential?
Jason Moore
That's what he does, man. 52. 50. 52 receptions. That's what he's doing.
Andy Holloway
52 receptions, 14 drops.
Jason Moore
Just a matter of how many touchdowns he gets.
Andy Holloway
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Fantasy Footballers Podcast Episode Summary
Title: Fantasy Football Podcast 2017 - NFL Draft Review Pt 2: NFC Winners & Losers
Release Date: May 4, 2017
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
The Fantasy Footballers kick off the episode with their trademark humor and promotional content. Andy Holloway enthusiastically endorses the Fantasy Footballers Ultimate Draft Kit, stating at [00:06] “...you are listening to this before your fantasy football drafts have taken place... I highly recommend heading over to WWE. Www.ultimatedraftkit.com without any further delay.” The hosts introduce themselves and set a lighthearted tone before transitioning into the main content.
At [04:04], Jason Moore initiates a discussion on the Denver Broncos’ recent signing of running back Jamal Charles and its implications for C.J. Anderson. He remarks, “[...] bringing Jamal Charles in will somehow make C.J. Anderson avoid an injury because he knows everything about avoiding injury.”
Andy Holloway humorously adds at [04:26], “Because Jamal Charles knows everything about avoiding injury. He brought him in to model it.” The trio debates the impact on Anderson’s fantasy prospects, with Mike Wright asserting, “[...] It’s a great move by John Elway in the Denver Broncos. This is, I mean, no risk.”
Moore further explains the potential of Jamal Charles, noting at [07:39], “He could be very good, very.” The consensus is that while Anderson may see a slight drop in rankings, Charles represents a low-risk, high-reward addition to the Broncos’ backfield.
A humorous segment ensues when Andy Holloway brings up Mike Wright’s hair voting results at [08:32]. Mike reveals, “[...] the quantity of people who voted for me to keep the hair was the vast majority,” but acknowledges that Andy Holloway orchestrated the removal, resulting in Mike’s current bald state at [09:04]. The hosts playfully banter about the situation, highlighting their camaraderie and light-hearted interactions.
The Cowboys focused on strengthening their defense with their first three picks, selecting a defensive end and two cornerbacks. At [16:16], Andy Holloway notes, “They addressed Tuesday’s Taco Tuesdays,” humorously referencing their defensive enhancements. Mike Wright highlights the addition of Ryan Switzer as a valuable WR option, stating at [17:54], “In a PPR, I like taking Switzer in a dynasty.” Jason Moore concurs, emphasizing the consistency of the Cowboys’ offensive roster.
Winner: Jason Witten for retaining a solid tight end presence.
Loser: Darren McFadden, whose potential depth remains uncertain.
The Eagles opted not to draft an early running back, instead relying on Darren Sprols and Wendell Smallwood. At [18:00], Holloway remarks, “They are happy with their current running backs,” suggesting potential changes as the season unfolds. Jason Moore advises caution, indicating that the Eagles may still make adjustments based on player performances.
Winner: Alshon Jeffery for enhancing the wide receiver corps.
Loser: Carson Wentz arguably solidifies his position without significant draft additions.
The Giants focused on bolstering their offense by selecting Evan Ingram in the first round over Odell Beckham Jr. At [23:24], Moore comments, “Odell Beckham was great when they were the 25th scoring team,” expressing confidence in the Giants’ offensive retooling. However, there are concerns about the running back depth, particularly with Paul Perkins.
Winner: Evan Ingram for adding speed and mismatch potential.
Loser: Paul Perkins, whose role remains ambiguous and may negatively impact his fantasy value.
The Cardinals invested their top two picks in defensive players and selected Chad Williams in the third round to strengthen their wide receiver group. At [35:03], Holloway identifies David Johnson as a potential draft winner due to his established role and offensive line support.
Winner: David Johnson for maintaining a reliable running back presence.
Loser: Chad Williams remains read-heavy with uncertainty regarding immediate fantasy impact.
The Seahawks made strategic picks including Amara Darboh in the third round, but concerns persist about their offensive line improvements. Jason Moore questions Seattle’s offensive line evaluations, suggesting that their draft moves may not adequately address existing weaknesses.
Winner: Amara Darboh for potential depth in the wide receiver position.
Loser: Offensive line remains a concern despite the second-round center pick.
The Bears selected quarterback Mitchell Trubisky, a decision that ignites debate among the hosts. At [43:04], Holloway criticizes the trade, calling it “a monstrous trade.” Mike Wright expresses skepticism about the immediate fantasy impact of Trubisky, while Jason Moore highlights the uncertainty surrounding Trubisky’s transition to the NFL.
Winner: None identified; the quarterback transition introduces significant uncertainty.
Loser: Mike Glennon, whose role diminishes with Trubisky’s acquisition.
The Lions addressed their wide receiver needs by drafting Kenny Golladay in the third round. At [46:22], Jason Moore labels Amir Abdullah as a clear winner for Detroit, given his projected role as the starting running back. The addition of Golladay is praised for bolstering an already strong receiving corps.
Winner: Amir Abdullah for being designated the starting running back and Kenny Golladay for enhancing the wide receiver lineup.
Loser: None explicitly mentioned; overall, a positive draft outcome.
The Packers added Jamal Williams in the fourth round and selected Adam Shaheen, a tight end, to improve their offensive depth. At [53:05], Holloway labels Latavius Murray as the biggest loser due to his diminished fantasy prospects. Jason Moore advises avoiding targeting Jamal Williams immediately, as the running back committee approach could dilute his value.
Winner: Adam Shaheen for adding depth to the tight end position.
Loser: Latavius Murray, whose fantasy value is likely to decrease significantly.
The Vikings made a strategic move by trading up to select Dalvin Cook in the second round, positioning him as a cornerstone for both the team and fantasy football managers. At [52:14], Holloway expresses disappointment over not securing Joe Mixon, but acknowledges Cook’s potential.
Winner: Dalvin Cook for being a high-upside, low-risk running back investment.
Loser: Latavius Murray retains a lower fantasy outlook.
Carolina drafted Christian McCaffrey in the top 10 and Curtis Samuel in later rounds, signaling a shift towards a more dynamic and pass-oriented offense. At [58:03], Jason Moore highlights McCaffrey’s versatility and potential to revolutionize the Panthers’ backfield. There is concern regarding Jonathan Stewart’s future role, given McCaffrey’s arrival.
Winner: Christian McCaffrey for his dual-threat capabilities and immediate fantasy impact.
Loser: Jonathan Stewart, whose role is expected to diminish significantly, reducing his fantasy relevance.
The Saints focused on acquiring Alvin Kamara in the third round, trading up to secure his services. At [63:26], Jason Moore praises Kamara’s pass-catching ability and fit within the Saints’ offense. Mark Ingram, left as a secondary option, is viewed as a potential decline in fantasy value.
Winner: Alvin Kamara for his elite receiving and rushing potential.
Loser: Mark Ingram, whose role as a primary running back is overshadowed by Kamara’s acquisition.
The hosts briefly touch upon other fantasy-relevant news, including adjustments in player rankings based on draft outcomes and preseason performances. They emphasize the importance of monitoring player roles and team strategies as the season progresses.
While encouraged to skip advertisements, the hosts mention sponsors like ProFlowers and Pristine Auction, integrating promotional content seamlessly into the discussions. Notably, Mike Wright humorously discusses the donation of his hair and associates it with sponsor promotions.
Wrapping up the episode, the Fantasy Footballers reiterate the importance of preparing for the upcoming fantasy football season using their Ultimate Draft Kit and other resources available on their website. They encourage listeners to join their fantasy community and stay engaged through social media platforms.
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This comprehensive review provides listeners—both regular and new—with insightful analysis of NFL draft moves and their implications for fantasy football, enriched with the hosts' signature humor and expertise.