Fantasy Football Podcast 2017 - Offseason Fantasy Questions, News & Notes

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary
Episode: Fantasy Football Podcast 2017 - Offseason Fantasy Questions, News & Notes
Release Date: February 23, 2017

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Introduction

The Fantasy Footballers kick off their 2017 offseason episode with hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright diving deep into crucial offseason fantasy football topics. The episode focuses on answering listener questions, discussing significant trades, and providing news and insights to help fantasy managers prepare for the upcoming season.

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Dynasty Trade Analysis

Timestamp: 03:52 – 07:03

Mike Wright introduces a major dynasty trade he executed in his league, acquiring Zeke Elliott by trading away significant assets: CJ Prosise, Tevin Coleman, and two first-round picks (this year and next). Brooks elaborates on the aggressiveness of the move, emphasizing his intent to build a powerhouse team aimed at winning multiple championships.

• Brooks on the Trade:
  "I took home the title in this league last year with a very stacked roster. And then I had the opportunity to snag a superstar like Zeke." [04:23]

Discussion Points:

• Aggressiveness in Dynasty Leagues:
  The trio debates the sustainability of such aggressive moves, noting the risk of depleting future assets for short-term gains. Mike raises concerns about potential vulnerability in future seasons if the acquired player underperforms or gets injured.

• Value of Superstar Running Backs:
  Brooks argues the scarcity and high value of elite running backs in dynasty formats, comparing Zeke Elliott to other top performers like David Johnson.

• Risk vs. Reward:
  Andy supports the decision, highlighting the stacked state of Brooks' team, while Mike advises caution, suggesting that over-aggressiveness can leave teams vulnerable in the long run.

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News and Notes

Timestamp: 07:03 – 15:15

The hosts share updates on various NFL players that impact fantasy football decisions:

1. Le'Veon Bell's Contract Status:

   • Ian Rapoport reports that Bell has not scheduled groin surgery, raising questions about his future and draft prospects.
   • Andy Holloway:
     "If Adrian Peterson gets cut by the Minnesota Vikings, then the franchise tag... will go from $12 million to $8 million." [10:11]
   • Mike Wright:
     "I think if I were the Rooney family... I would be sending Le'Veon Bell packing." [11:43]

2. Jay Cutler's Future:

   • Jay Cutler is medically cleared but may not play in the 2017 season. Discussions revolve around potential teams interested in acquiring Cutler, with Houston emerging as a likely candidate.
   • Andy Holloway:
     "If I was Houston, I would take Jay Cutler in a heartbeat." [14:53]

3. Martellus Bennett's Free Agency:

   • Ian Rapaport suggests it's challenging for the Patriots to re-sign Bennett.
   • Andy Holloway:
     "Bennett's been on Twitter saying... he's going for the money." [15:15]

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Listener Reviews

Timestamp: 08:34 – 09:14

The hosts read a listener review from G. Willikers, praising the podcast for its expertise and entertainment value.

• G. Willikers' Review:
  "Championships on top of championships. By far my favorite fantasy football podcast... knowledge, entertaining, and their podcast is of the highest quality." [08:39]

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Mailbag: Offseason Questions

Timestamp: 15:44 – 43:24

The hosts tackle various listener-submitted questions, providing strategic advice for different fantasy football scenarios.

1. Auction Value Question - AJ Green vs. Antonio Brown:

   • Aaron in Hortonville, WI asks:
     "Would you keep AJ Green for $44 in a 12-team standard auction league?" [16:30]
   • Andy Holloway:
     "AJ Green's value will probably be right around $44. I'd be willing to keep him." [16:33]
   • Consensus:
     • Mike Wright opts for AJ Green to save budget.
     • Brooks and Andy prefer Antonio Brown if league budget permits.

2. Keeper Decision - Ty Hilton vs. Tyrell Williams:

   • Josh in Michigan asks:
     "Should I keep Ty Hilton and forfeit my 4th-round pick or Tyrell Williams and forfeit my last pick?" [18:00]
   • Brooks and Andy: Recommend keeping Ty Hilton for better value and reliability.
   • Mike: Agrees with Hilton, citing uncertainties around Tyrell Williams and potential limited opportunities.

3. Keeper Selection - Julio Jones, DeVonta Freeman, Dez Bryant, Tyreek Hill:

   • Dom in Virginia asks:
     "Keep Julio Jones for a first-rounder, Devonta Freeman for a second-rounder, Dez Bryant for a second-rounder, or Tyreek Hill for a 10th-round pick?" [22:17]
   • Discussion:
     • Andy opts for Julio and Devin Freeman.
     • Mike chooses Julio and Tyreek Hill for their high upside.
     • Brooks: Emphasizes the importance of Devonta Adams' potential despite some inconsistencies.

4. Draft Strategy - Artificial Supply Shortage:

   • Eric in Raleigh, NC asks:
     "What do you think about creating an artificial supply shortage at the draft, e.g., a QB shortage by round?" [28:33]
   • Consensus:
     • The hosts unanimously advise against this strategy, labeling it risky and often ineffective.
     • Brooks:
       "It’s possibly the worst idea and decision he could make." [24:56]

5. Keeper Decision - Sammy Watkins, DeAndre Hopkins, Devonta Adams:

   • Connor in Omaha asks:
     "Who would you have as your third keeper among Sammy Watkins, DeAndre Hopkins, or Devonta Adams?" [32:38]
   • Discussion:
     • Andy favors DeVonta Adams for his reliable quarterback synergy.
     • Mike supports Hopkins for his target volume but acknowledges Adams' potential.
     • Brooks: Balances between Watkins’ upside and Adams' consistency, ultimately siding with Adams for team synergy.

6. Dependable Starters - Perryman or Dixon:

   • Avidgross9 on Twitter asks:
     "Any chance Perryman or Dixon can be dependable starters?" [38:52]
   • Responses:
     • Mike and Brooks: Believe both players can be reliable, especially with revamped wide receiver corps.
     • Andy: Suggests Perryman could be a valuable late-round pickup with potential for steady production.

7. Draft Strategy for Top Picks - David Johnson vs. Le’Veon Bell:

   • Channing in Lynnside, WV asks:
     "Should I trade my 8th overall pick and two second-rounders for the number two pick to acquire David Johnson or Le’Veon Bell?" [30:29]
   • Advice:
     • Andy: Advises against the trade, valuing depth and multiple picks over securing a single top-tier player.
     • Mike and Brooks: Encourage evaluating mock drafts and considering league dynamics before making such decisions.

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NFL Wide Receiver Core Analysis

Timestamp: 34:21 – 43:24

The hosts engage in a detailed analysis of top NFL wide receivers, comparing their past performances and potential future outputs to inform fantasy decisions.

• Andy on WR Scoring Trends:
  "You saw top level wide receivers score fewer touchdowns while WR2 and WR3 increased their touchdown numbers." [42:54]

• Brooks on Receiver Production:
  Highlights the variability in WR performances tied to quarterback effectiveness and team offensive strategies.

• Mike on Devonta Adams vs. Sammy Watkins:
  "Devonta Adams is putting up 75 catches... I’m not buying in. He’s going to be one of my fades." [38:20]

• Consensus:

  • DeAndre Hopkins emerges as a preferred option due to his consistent targets and strong partnership with Aaron Rodgers.
  • Sammy Watkins and Devonta Adams are debated based on their upside and team dynamics, with Adams slightly edging out for reliability.

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Conclusion

The Fantasy Footballers wrap up the episode by emphasizing preparation for the upcoming draft and encouraging listeners to engage with their comprehensive draft kit and community platforms. They highlight the importance of strategic decisions in the offseason, whether it's executing bold trades or making informed keeper selections.

• Mike Wright:
  "We are pouring ourselves into the development of the ultimate draft kit." [40:12]

• Brooks:
  "If you want the exclusive show, head over to jointhefoot.com." [43:46]

Listeners are encouraged to follow the podcast on Twitter (@FFballers) and visit fantasyfootballers.com for more resources and updates.

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Notable Quotes:

• "I'm going full dynasty mode here where we're setting a dynasty within the dynasty." — Brooks [05:59]

• "It's potentially the worst idea and decision he could make." — Mike Wright on Supply Shortage Strategy [24:56]

• "Devonta Adams is putting up 75 catches... I’m not buying in. He’s going to be one of my fades." — Mike Wright [38:20]

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Key Takeaways:

• Aggressive Trades in Dynasty Leagues: High risk for high reward; crucial to balance current success with future assets.

• Keeper Selections: Focus on value and team synergy, prioritizing consistent performers over high-risk, high-reward players.

• Draft Strategies: Avoid manipulative strategies like creating artificial shortages; instead, focus on informed, flexible drafting based on player performance and team needs.

• Player Analysis: Prioritize wide receivers with consistent targets and strong quarterback relationships to maximize fantasy points.

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Stay Connected:

• Website: thefantasyfootballers.com
• Exclusive Content: jointhefoot.com
• Twitter: @FFballers

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This summary captures the essence of the Fantasy Footballers' 2017 offseason episode, providing actionable insights and strategic guidance for fantasy football enthusiasts.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from the fantasyjocks.com studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Mike Wright]

Good morning, welcome to the show. Mike, Andy, Jason in the building.

[Brooks]

Fellas, on the way into the studio this morning, I fired up the Andrew wk. When it's time to party, we will party hard. Okay, I may be a little bit over amped for the show today.

[Mike Wright]

How much caffeine have you had?

[Brooks]

Just the regular amount of coffee, but I had a full direct shot of party rock into the veins.

[Mike Wright]

Alright, good, good. I'm glad you're here. I'm glad you're present. You just came from a school assembly. No wonder you're still here.

[Brooks]

I did. My daughter won one of those, you know, like where they give out the award. The monthly award. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I want that bumper sticker on your guy, Mike.

[Brooks]

She got it for caring. Which we were very happy to hear.

[Mike Wright]

She got it for caring.

[Brooks]

Shocked? Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, no, no, no, you got that wrong.

[Mike Wright]

They're teaching caring now.

[Brooks]

They are.

[Mike Wright]

Wow. Impressive.

[Brooks]

Yes. Life skills.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. That's good. Maybe you'll get verified now.

[Brooks]

You want an update?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Did you get a reply?

[Brooks]

No, I have not got a reply. I can check. I have, like I said on the Twitter, I applied now. It's the sixth or seventh time that I've applied. I believe I'm still in the review process.

[Andy Holloway]

Someday you're gonna find out that I am actually where those applications go. It's never gonna happen, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, well, that's good. Well, I'm glad you're in the review process. That's one step ahead of declined.

[Brooks]

So let's make sure I'm still in it and not already declined.

[Mike Wright]

All right, we've got a good show today. We're answering some offseason fantasy football questions. We have a great quick question. Mike just pulled off a big dynasty trade we're gonna discuss and so we're excited about that. We have some news and notes to get into a review of Source Rex and more. Off season preseason 2017 fantasy football. Goodness for you.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you know what today is?

[Mike Wright]

It's Thursday, February 23rd.

[Andy Holloway]

Today is kind of our first megalodon of the year because we have a Tour de force. Today we're doing this show.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we're not leaving.

[Andy Holloway]

We've got the foot cast [e-mail] because it's Thursday. We do that every and then we got a live stream today also for the jointhefoot.com people.

[Mike Wright]

Well, it makes sense at the peak of the NFL season here on February 23rd to be just filling the day with football, doesn't it?

[Brooks]

This is peak off season, my friend.

[Mike Wright]

Peak, peak off season. We also have Brooks in the building. Brooks, say hello. Hey, everybody.

[Andy Holloway]

His voice is live.

[Mike Wright]

We've been petition to give him a microphone. So we did give him a microphone, but there's a button to stop him from talking.

[Andy Holloway]

The button should really be over here.

[Mike Wright]

So Brooks is in the building producing the show and we're happy to have him here. Let's go and get into the Quick question, guys. Mike, why don't you lay out this trade that you just pulled off in your Dynasty league? A lot of fantasy football owners right now are navigating everything from fresh Dynasty drafts to Dynasty trades. The off season is obviously an exciting time for Dynasty owners with trades and the upcoming draft. So lay this out for us because you were. You were asking us what we thought of this trade when you were putting it together.

[Brooks]

Yeah, it was a big trade. And shout out. Corey Evans just put up a magnificent intro, really good intro to Dynasty because we know there's. I'd say the bulk of fantasy players are still redraft and keeper and more and more people are getting excited about Dynasty. So if you want to get, you know, the lay of the land, the basics, Corey's article on our site, the fantasy footballers is spectacular. And to combo with that, tomorrow we have Matt Harmon's Mike Williams reception Perception will be on the site.

[Mike Wright]

So I thought this is a great.

[Brooks]

Time to talk about Dynasty because I just had this big trade and this will surprise. If you follow the show. This won't surprise you that I am very aggressive when it comes to fantasy football. I play to win. I took home the title in this league last year with a very stacked roster. And then I had the opportunity. These don't come around very often. An opportunity to snag a superstar. And I was talking to another guy in the league and he, for whatever he went into rebuild and he said, zeke is on the block. And I was like, holy crap. I compare Zeke with David Johnson and I knew I had some assets that he really liked. But it was big time. I gave up a lot. So here's what. Here's what the trade offer ended up or the final trade turned into. I sent CJ Pro Size Tevin Coleman my first and second round pick this year, which are the 12 because I won the championship and a first next year, which if I know the dynasty players out there are all like everyone's having a heart attack that I just bailed out on two first round picks plus two potential high level talents eventually. But I mean I got Zeke for one running back. For one running back. And. But to me this set my team up for not only win right now but, but I mean I could go on a two to three year just.

[Mike Wright]

And you're, you're coming off the championship.

[Brooks]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Brooks]

So I, I'm going full dynasty mode here where we're setting a dynasty within the dynasty.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you're not.

[Brooks]

I'm going for three to four straight titles right now.

[Andy Holloway]

You're not going dynasty league style.

[Brooks]

You're going, you're going Team Patriots dynasty.

[Mike Wright]

It's. It. Look, I like the trade. I said I would do it when you, when you floated it in our slack discussion. I like to trade for you. I like the position you're in. You just won the championship. I will just say like, you know, you have that aggressive approach, but will you have the option to do that anymore if things go the wrong way? In two to three years, right. You won't have ammo, you won't have players. So you can say I'm going to be aggressive. But if in two to three years you don't have any assets, your aggressive nature will mean signing like the backup to the backup on the waiver wire.

[Brooks]

And the real goes down.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what I was going to say. I mean you're trading, you know, six, seven assets for one. And if that guy gets injured, you just got, you basically got seven guys injured on your lineup. So that's, that's the risk. But you're. The rest of your team is stacked and I would have done the trade.

[Brooks]

If I were you as well in the thinking the process for people out there, I mean, you know, a superstar, especially in a dynasty league, getting acquiring a superstar like Zeke, even if it's the running back position, I know that he, he won't be a superstar for eight years like a wide receiver can, but it's just, it's very difficult. Not. These guys are not often available.

[Mike Wright]

No. I've tried to pick one up all offseason in our other. In our dynasty league and it's not happening.

[Brooks]

Someone said, hey, he's on the block So I went very aggressive because I've seen people say, hey, this, this person is on the block like we had in our other Dynasty league. Our buddy Troy said, hey, Melvin Gordon's available. And I think people just cannoned offers at him. I sent what I thought was a very strong offer. Melvin Gordon has not been traded right. In our league. So people, they feel like, oh, I'm going to put them on the block. But they're not actually on the block.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, no, I like it. So if you want to follow the show, you can do so on Twitter heffballers. The website's the fantasy footballers.com and like Jason said earlier, we have a live stream today and a exclusive, an exclusive podcast called the Foot Cast that we do only for JoinTheFoot.com supporters that support this independent podcast. From time to time we like to read reviews from the listeners. Your reviews on itunes really help support the show. So we're gonna do that right now and only the way Jason can.

[Jason Moore]

Review a source rags.

[Andy Holloway]

This one comes in from a Will Curse.

[Brooks]

I believe it's Willikers. Willikers, as in G. Willikers.

[Andy Holloway]

He says championships on top of championships. By far my favorite fantasy football podcast. I've been listening year round the last two years and have won three out of four leagues. Well done, Willikers. These guys are knowledgeable, entertaining, and their podcast is of the highest quality. P.S. thank you for not getting political. I didn't want a reason to stop listening. Keep up the good work. Go Bears and Cowboys and David Johnson. All right, well, thank you G. Willikers.

[Mike Wright]

We appreciate that.

[Brooks]

Speaking of political.

[Mike Wright]

Oh.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league that have been great.

[Mike Wright]

If I had a news and notes from around the world ready to go right there. All right. Ian Rapoport is reporting that Lev Bell, who saw doctors post playoffs, has not scheduled groin surgery. Would have happened already. So the question I posed to you guys is how is he, you know what, what things going to happen to get him further in the draft like the past couple of years? Because if he's not going to do the groin surgery, we need something to knock him down into the second and third round. Maybe like a traffic stop.

[Brooks]

I don't, I don't think it's going to happen this year.

[Mike Wright]

Well, a holdout. Holdout.

[Brooks]

Hey, holdout. There is a possibility of that because if you're the Steelers, I mean, I don't know if you can give Lev Bell that long term deal that he wants. So I think we're looking at a.

[Andy Holloway]

Franchise, the franchise tag is going to be great for them. If the.

[Brooks]

What was the Adrian Peterson.

[Andy Holloway]

If Adrian Peterson gets cut by the Minnesota Vikings, then the franchise tag, which is basically the price of that is determined by the highest paid at the position will go from $12 million to $8 million.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. It's determined by, I believe an average of the top five.

[Brooks]

Three or Three or five.

[Mike Wright]

That's. That's crazy though. The AP salary will impact this other team so much. You know, I feel like. I know we already have a players union. I feel like there should be like a subunion of just running backs because I am always on the side of the running backs. They're the players that get beat up the most and paid the least. I mean, you look at what David Johnson makes now, short career, life. Yeah. Short opportunity to be in the league and be a premier guy, I think they should be able to cash in. Problem is you don't. I mean, that's. You don't have to like, you can draft a running back.

[Brooks]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

David Johnson is the third.

[Andy Holloway]

What.

[Mike Wright]

Third round pass.

[Brooks]

So if you're the Rooney family, how are you not buzzing up the Vikings ownership? Me like, guys, AP looks done. AP looks bad. By the way, I left a million dollars of cash. It's just, it's just right in front of your door. There's no, nothing attached to this. But Adrian Peterson looks like you should cut it, right?

[Mike Wright]

No, that's.

[Brooks]

That's a net savings.

[Mike Wright]

Is that how you'd run your gm?

[Brooks]

I'm not saying I would do that for one year, but I am saying they would save.

[Mike Wright]

He didn't say he was aggressive in dynasty league.

[Andy Holloway]

That is very.

[Mike Wright]

The NFL is quite a dynasty.

[Brooks]

I referred to said if I was the Rooney family and I had the 101 in Dynasty, then I would be sending Le'Veon Bell packing.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Yeah. So that is the Le'Veon Bell news. It's good news. I think it's good news that he's not going to have groin surgery. For those of you that own him, Washington could be interested in acquiring a veteran quarterback like Tony Romo if they decide to trade Kirk Cousins. I've heard so many Kirk Cousins rumors lately. The trend right now, the sentiment is that there's a 50, 50 shot. He's not back with Washington. Washington is going to lose a couple weapons. Some trade rumors about San Francisco, Washington getting the number two pick that they could use on a quarterback or they could go with a veteran. It's. It's crazy to me in the NFL today. When you have a guy that's been as prolific and capable as Kirk Cousins that you're still questioning them. I don't know how similar this is to the decision that Buffalo is making with Tyred Taylor where they're saying, you know, like they're. I think Buffalo is totally fine with Tyrod Taylor starting.

[Brooks]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

I think Kirk Cousins and I think Washington's totally fine with Kirk Cousins starting. It's the commitment. There are commitment issues on both sides where they're going, oh, gosh, do I. Do I have to pay Kirk Cousins like Andrew Luck? I mean, I don't want to.

[Andy Holloway]

You don't want him to probably be your quarterback for the next eight years because, you know he's not a championship level. You.

[Brooks]

Well, that's how they. It seems like they feel.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Brooks]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

If you decide that, then that's what makes the commitment issue happen. And I don't know if Tony Romo, they're going to let him go in division. Yeah, you know, that's. That's the problem. There we were.

[Brooks]

We. News was breaking about every 30 seconds on Kirk Cousins yesterday. It was. It was chaos. But I think you're right if, if Dallas is going to say, hey, Tony Romer, we're going to do the right thing by you. Which in the NFL, I mean, that's. That's an extremely rare thing when a team says, we're going to do right by the player, and they say, okay, Rummel, we'll cut you. You can go wherever you want. And then he's like, hey, guys, I'm going to. I'm going to go play for your division rival. They're.

[Andy Holloway]

Tony, that would.

[Brooks]

It's tough. That's a tough situation to navigate. Just, it's like from a personal friendship type of level.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I think if they do right by Tony, he'll do right by the. By the Cowboys. However, if you wanted to see the Cowboys east, as I would call it, have Tony Romo go there and have them use one of those high draft picks on, like, Leonard Fournette. They got a good offensive line. I think they would be a lot like what Dallas looks like.

[Mike Wright]

All right, let's move on here. The Bears have actively started seeking a trade partner for Jay Cutler. Oh, and this report's from three years ago.

[Brooks]

Let's say.

[Mike Wright]

No, not really.

[Brooks]

Update for the Peter King. The Peter King that he thinks that he wouldn't be surprised if Jay Cutler ends up with the Cardinals. The Cardinals immediately shut that down and said, no, thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

Not interested.

[Mike Wright]

Nice reporting, though. Jay Cutler is expected to be medically cleared by March. There was a report this morning that, you know, one opinion out there was that he won't play in 2017.

[Brooks]

Is that Peter King again?

[Mike Wright]

No, it's not Peter.

[Brooks]

So if he's not going to the Cardinals, he's not playing at all.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, well, Jay Cutler will find a home. It won't be hard to do. We had guys like Cody Kessler starting in the NFL last year. Players like Brock Osweiler being paid $72 million. I think Jay Cutler is an upgrade for about seven to eight teams in the league.

[Andy Holloway]

Go to Houston. I mean, I would. I would. If I was Houston, I would take Jay Cutler in a heartbeat.

[Brooks]

Yeah. Deandre Hopkins would skyrocket. Get that Jay Cutler single target.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Brooks]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

All right, last report I want to talk about here. Ian Rapaport saying it's going to be very hard for the Patriots to re sign impending free agent Martellus Bennett.

[Brooks]

Yeah, he's gonna get paid.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I think he will, too. And it's not going to be by the Patriots, most likely.

[Andy Holloway]

Bennett's been on Twitter saying, like, don't you, you know, he's like, come at me if you think I'm not taking the money. Like, he's. He's going for the money. Whoever pays him the most, that's where he's going to live.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Those brothers, they're.

[Brooks]

I love them.

[Mike Wright]

They're rapscallions.

[Brooks]

I love them.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Brooks]

I like that they are outspoken.

[Mike Wright]

All right, we're going to jump into the mailbag.

[Jason Moore]

Mailbag.

[Andy Holloway]

Mailbag.

[Mike Wright]

If you have a question for the show, you can submit it on the website thefantasyfootballers.com click the Questions button. You can also leave us a voicemail question at 302-464-TFFB. We're excited to answer your questions. Help set the table for your upcoming year. This first question comes in from Aaron in Hortonville, Wisconsin. He says, would you keep AJ Green for $44? In a 12 team standard scoring auction league, the most expensive player and also a wide receiver was Antonio Brown at $59. Awesome show. And also he purchased the ultimate draft kit on the website.

[Brooks]

Oh, appreciate that, Aaron.

[Mike Wright]

Which, by the way, includes auction value.

[Andy Holloway]

I was just going to say that, you know, when I look at AJ Green, his value will probably be right around $44. So I would be willing to purchase him for that. I think it's a fair price and so I'd be willing to keep him. I don't think you're Getting a steel, but I don't think you're overpaying either. So if you want to keep AJ Green and have a great option going into next year, it's absolutely fine by me.

[Brooks]

If the market. You've seen the market. Antonio brown was almost 60 bucks. I assume this is $100.

[Andy Holloway]

200.

[Brooks]

Is it two?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, almost certainly.

[Brooks]

No, no. If it's two. If it's 200, then this is. That's easy.

[Mike Wright]

No, I think it's 200. Really?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, 200.

[Brooks]

Oh, then absolutely. This is. That's a simple question for me, but I feel like this is $100 question.

[Mike Wright]

No, no chance.

[Andy Holloway]

In a $200 auction budget, which is the standard usual auctions, you usually see the top wide receivers go for about.

[Mike Wright]

60, including last year when Antonio Brown went for $60 in our $200 league.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Brooks]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

The question I want to ask out of it is, would you rather have Antonio Brown for $59 or AJ Green for 44?

[Andy Holloway]

That's fair.

[Mike Wright]

And I think I would take AJ Green. I'd save the. Save the 16 bucks.

[Brooks]

I would. If it's literally those two guys, then I would get Antonio Brown.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I would as well. I would rather have the superstar, assuming that Big Ben is not retired. Right, fellas? Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Brooks]

Thanks, Peter.

[Mike Wright]

Keeper question from Josh in Michigan. He said this. He said, we play in a two quarterback league, which we can keep one player every year and forfeit a pick in the following draft based on where they were drafted. Should I keep Ty Hilton and forfeit my 4th round pick or keep Tyrell Williams and forfeit my last pick in next year's draft? Is Tyrell Williams going to continue his role with Keenan Allen back in the mix? It's a great question. I think it's one that is difficult to answer because we've seen Keenan Allen not play a full game in almost two years.

[Brooks]

Yeah, I love Tyrell Williams moving forward. I think that he will be a great fantasy wide receiver, but he won't be what he was last year. I think Kenan Allen will just command so many targets. And we've seen when Keenan Allen was on his tear that season, maybe they didn't. I can't recall who the auxiliary wide receiver was, but they. There was no other really strong fantasy wide receivers at that time for San Diego. So I would take Ty Hilton for a fourth round pick. You're getting a great value. Hilton will go second, third round. And so, I mean, you're already getting a value for a guy who should easily be top 10.

[Mike Wright]

I agree. I would take Hilton in this situation. There are a lot of, very. A lot of my argument against Keenan Allen was based on the variables in that offense. And those exist for Tyler Williams, too. Not the injury concerns, but the fact that, okay, you've paid Travis Benjamin, you have Hunter Henry coming into his own. Gates will be back. You're moving, you have a different head coach. It's too hard to count on Tyrell Williams to bounce back.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And even if he does, right, let's say he's just a shade under what he did last year. You're getting a better value with Tyrell Williams, but you're still getting the worst player. And when you have a value in Ty Hilton, who is Mike right now going on top of the second round and you get to keep him for a fourth rounder and he's a great weekly starter. You go with your. With the stud.

[Brooks]

Where do you think. Where do you think Tyrell's going to go?

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think Tyrell's going to go.

[Mike Wright]

10Th round.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, that's really about where I see.

[Brooks]

I feel like he should be. Should or no? I feel like he will be in that 8 range. I'm going to look him up.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I'm guessing 10th or 11th.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Right now, 8th range is Desean Jackson, Eric Decker, Jameson Crowder, and I would.

[Mike Wright]

Draft all those guys well ahead of Tyrell.

[Brooks]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

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[Brooks]

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[Andy Holloway]

I would go Ty Hilton.

[Mike Wright]

Probably don't need to ask someone again. Let's go with Dom in Virginia. Dom has a question, a keeper question. Do you keep Julio Jones for a first rounder, Devonta Freeman for a second rounder, Dez Bryant for a second rounder or Tyreek Hill for a 10th round pick? It's a PPR 14 team keeper league.

[Andy Holloway]

We got to pick two, right?

[Mike Wright]

You got to pick two of them.

[Andy Holloway]

I got them. I got them. For me it's easy.

[Mike Wright]

It's easy for you. Okay. I think it's easy for me as well. And I'm going to go Julio and Tyreek.

[Andy Holloway]

Those are the. There's so there's four guys.

[Mike Wright]

So you have the other two.

[Andy Holloway]

I have the other two. So obviously it's a difficult question here.

[Mike Wright]

I would go Julio and Tyreek.

[Andy Holloway]

I would go Des Bryant and Devonta Freeman. I think if Des for a 2 rather than Julio for a 1, I would rather. And I think you have to have.

[Mike Wright]

He won't have the opportunity to do that though. Well, that's because he can't trade question.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

You can't do two second round picks so he's going to have to move up one of them to a first.

[Brooks]

Well, usually to me it's a slide back.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Brooks]

So does he get. If he keeps the two second round.

[Mike Wright]

Guys, why would it be a slide back? It's almost always a slide up when you not when you have two guys.

[Brooks]

Not in my experience.

[Mike Wright]

If you have two guys in the same round, you don't get rewarded.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you do sometimes. That's depending on the league.

[Brooks]

In my other keeper league that's how the reward comes is if you have two guys being kept in the same round.

[Mike Wright]

If it's a 2, 3 situation, then I go those two guys to force it to a 2, 3 situation.

[Andy Holloway]

And if it's a 2 one situation then I would go Julio and Devonta.

[Brooks]

Freeman and I would go, yeah, I mean you. Tyree caters in half point ppr. I would much rather have an elite player, an elite reception.

[Mike Wright]

I need a friend. Brooks, will you chime in on the Tyreek situation. Are you pro Tyreek or anti Tyreek? Well, if you remember, Andy, I did decline that trade.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yes. Dang it. All right, that's great.

[Mike Wright]

Now be quiet.

[Brooks]

I'm not anti tyreek. But in 10th round, that's some value for sure for where Hill's going to go in the draft. But you're looking at top five guys with Julio Freeman.

[Mike Wright]

Certainly with the bump back. I'd go the 2, 3 to force the bump back. And then you've got your first round pick available. You have Freeman and DEZ Bryant. If I cannot first round town.

[Brooks]

If I can't bump back, then I'll go. I'm going with Chase and I'm going Julio and Freeman.

[Mike Wright]

All right, here's an interesting question from Eric and Raleigh, North Carolina. This is a draft strategy question. What do you guys think about creating an artificial supply shortage at the draft? Maybe a QB shortage by round with examples. I could go rb, wide receiver, qb, running back, wide receiver, qb, running back, wide receiver, qb. Too risky to set a tone.

[Brooks]

So this is. This is a yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't.

[Brooks]

Don't do it, Eric.

[Mike Wright]

It is possibly.

[Brooks]

He's trying to get trade beat and.

[Mike Wright]

I think it's possibly the worst idea and decision he could make.

[Andy Holloway]

Completely agree. Do you guys remember when this strategy was used in our league of record?

[Brooks]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

It was at the defensive position and the guy kept taking up all the good defenses.

[Brooks]

Well, we've also had it with. With the quarterbacks.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Where someone tried to steal Tony Romo from you and you ended up with a better player.

[Brooks]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Well, because there's 30 quarterbacks and there's 12 owners in a fantasy league.

[Brooks]

I was going to go with the owner who drafted both Brees and Rogers and then could not unload Drew Brees later in the league and had to take a far discounted deal to get rid of him. The thing is, Eric, I guess if.

[Mike Wright]

Your league freaks out about him.

[Brooks]

Yeah, certainly. But we've talked about this. Of the power of streaming quarterbacks off of the waiver wire. 40 quarterbacks last year posted a top 12 week. You can go back historically. I think it was 43 the year before that, 40 the year before that. So I mean, just these guys, you can. And it's not a mystery magical science of figuring out who's going to have a great game. Just you look at defenses. It's. We talk about it throughout the season.

[Mike Wright]

Think about what you're giving up.

[Brooks]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Potentially. Especially with taking Brady in the third round.

[Brooks]

Take the bird in the hand situation. Here I'd rather get the running back, the known, the known player instead of, maybe I get to trade one of these quarterbacks later. Maybe I don't like Wilson. If you had done this with Wilson. You're sitting there in week four going, ah, crap, no one is ever going to trade for Russell Wilson.

[Mike Wright]

Now what do you do?

[Andy Holloway]

He's burning a bench spot, he's cut him. And the reality is you are, and we all are, either 1/10 or 1/12 of the league. We just don't have enough power in the draft to affect the other 11 teams by our decision. You know, you can do it a little bit when it's like, okay, I'm coming up near a turn and there's two guys that are picking before my next pick.

[Mike Wright]

You can also do it if you have a real homer in your league that just loves, I don't know, for instance, Philip Rivers. Right. And you know they're going to trade for Philip Rivers if you draft him. You could take advantage of a single owner in that strategy. Yeah, maybe the Drew Brees, the, the super Patriot fan. But as a overarching supply shortage, you're not creating one unless you take a quarterback with every pick of your draft.

[Brooks]

And if you want, maybe this is. If you're talking just kind of is a holistic of your league and you want, you feel like you want a shortage of supply for the quarterback, then turn it into a two quarterback league.

[Mike Wright]

That's right. Right. You're saying as a whole league strategy. Okay, Mike in Niagara Falls. This isn't you, is it?

[Brooks]

I've done the barrel.

[Mike Wright]

You did the barrel over Niagara?

[Brooks]

Yeah, I survived. Me and Pippi Longstocking.

[Mike Wright]

A lot of people put Alan Robinson in that barrel last year and threw him over. Need help picking two keepers? A standard league, no round restrictions. And I can keep them forever.

[Brooks]

Forever.

[Mike Wright]

Odell Beckham Jr. Todd Gurley, Carlos Hyde or Jordy Nelson? What a great question. Because Odell Beckham Jr. Is done. He's in. You're not. He's not even part of this conversation anymore. So now you're deciding between Gurley, Hyde and Nelson. Very tough question. I think it's girly for me.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, look, I've spoke very poorly on Gurley.

[Mike Wright]

You spoke to your defense. You speak poorly on everything that is factually accurate.

[Andy Holloway]

I think I would take Gurley here. I prefer usually having the. You know, in this situation, it's between Gurley and Jordi. Right. And in general, I think I might like Jordy by a hair more than Gurley. I believe in him to be a top option but they're very close and I would rather go into a draft if they're very close. Being able to have I've already got a wide receiver and a running back so now whoever falls to me I could take the best that I want available in the draft versus saying man I have to get this running back because I've got my two wide receivers and and now all the running backs are gone and I worry about that. So I think I would go Gurley.

[Mike Wright]

And Beckham here, we're one year removed from Todd Gurley being quite the dynasty looking prize.

[Brooks]

Yeah. So we're and we are.

[Mike Wright]

We were not one year removed from that with Jordy Nelson. Like Jordy Nelson doesn't look like we're zero years removed. Well, he doesn't look like a dynasty prize today is what I'm saying. Like Odell Beckham Jr. Is a dynasty gold mine. Jordy Nelson is not a dynasty prize.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, this is a two keeper league. I view keeper leagues as a redraft.

[Mike Wright]

No, and I wouldn't overreact to it either. I'm just saying if anybody has the potential of being a multi year like gold mine for your keeper league, I think early is higher. If it's a close debate I know Mike's about to tell me he's going to take like Gates, Antonio Gates over Gurley.

[Brooks]

I was just going to say to your point about Todd Gurley, I mean you had if you go back two or three years, Eddie Lacy has skyrocketed to be a top three dynasty running back as well.

[Mike Wright]

Great example.

[Brooks]

These guys can fall off extremely quickly for fantasy production and if we're talking a one year Carlos Hyde versus Todd Gurley, I'd prefer Carlos Hyde this year. Okay. But I'm with Jason that I'm not going to overreact to the keep forever. It's awesome for Odell Beckham and he's probably going to be on your team for years to come. But I would take Jordy and know that by the end of next season I'm on my on my roster will be someone who I'm going to feel great as my second keeper if it's not Jordy again.

[Mike Wright]

Sure, sure. Let's move to this question from Channing in Lynnside, West Virginia. I have two second round draft picks and the eighth pick in the first round. I'd really like to have David Johnson or Lev Bell. Yeah, we all would but I know they will not be available when it comes to my turn the guy at number two does not have a second rounder and wants to do the following trade. I receive the number two overall pick, I give the eighth pick in one of my second rounders. Do I take a top round? Do I take the top down value or do I sit tight and take depth with those early picks?

[Andy Holloway]

So very similar to, you know, in a lot of ways to Mike's dynasty trade. Do you.

[Brooks]

Yeah, kind of. But here's, here's how I would probably.

[Mike Wright]

Don'T do the trade.

[Brooks]

Well, this is what you, you should do. Try and do the best of your ability right now. Do some mock drafting and you know, estimate who's going to be there at the eighth pick and then who's going to be there in that second round. Would you trade those two guys for Le'Veon Bell? Because it could be yes, it could be no. It's also a two quarterback league. So I mean, I can't say for sure if I would do if this is a yes or a no for me, but that's the exercise that I would run to help me figure this out.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, if, if I could, if I could make sure that it was my later second pick. So I've got a high second rounder still and now I get a high.

[Brooks]

What if they're. He didn't say so what if they're, what if they're the 11 and the 12?

[Andy Holloway]

Like. Well, if they're both basically the same. Yeah, then it does make a difference because I would like a high first round, high second round or the two quarterback league. It does play to the advantage of having more picks though because all of a sudden you've got a little bit more position scarcity at an additional position. So there's an advantage to having three, you know, picks in the first two rounds. So I agree. I would probably not do the deal.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I can. I mean, I don't have everybody laid out in front of me. But what that second round pick is Amari Cooper, if you want him. And you mix Amari Cooper with the eighth pick in the draft.

[Brooks]

I'm pulling up some.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's the adp. The eighth round. I'm sorry, the eighth pick is going to be a fan super fast.

[Mike Wright]

It might be Mike Evans. I mean, you've got, you've got the three fantastic player.

[Andy Holloway]

Regardless, you've got the three, you know, stud, stud wide receivers in Odell Beckham, Julio. And I know you put, you guys are putting Mike Evans in there, but you know, Antonio Brown, Julio and Odell Beckham. Those are clearly in there. Then you have David Johnson, Zeke and Bell, which is six. Now it's a two quarterback league. Aaron Rodgers will absolutely be going Rogers Brees, Andrew Luck. I mean, there's going to be a superstar there for you.

[Mike Wright]

All right, keeper question from Connor and Omaha. Who would you have as your third keeper? He already has Shady and Antonio Brown and he can choose between Sammy Watkins and Tone. I'm sorry, Sammy Watkins, DeAndre Hopkins or Devonte Adams? Who you got.

[Brooks]

Read those names off.

[Mike Wright]

You already have Shady and Antonio Brown and can choose between Watkins, Hopkins and Adam.

[Brooks]

Who is. Who is DeAndre Hopkins, quarterback?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I can tell you right now, DeAndre Hopkins is. That's my lowest of these three for me.

[Mike Wright]

Unbelievable.

[Brooks]

You guys are on fire today.

[Mike Wright]

We are opposite. There's no. For me it's Hopkins and fire up the pala Abdul.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me just verify. Let me verify because we. And this is, this is good breaking news. I believe by the end of the week our initial rankings will be on our website for 2017. Yes, sir. I'm going to check my wide receiver ranking.

[Brooks]

February ranks just.

[Andy Holloway]

Just to. Just to see does he give the scoring format half point. So in a half point.

[Brooks]

So it's going to be Tom Savage, right? Are we assuming that it's Tom Savage?

[Andy Holloway]

No, I think it's Rock.

[Mike Wright]

I think it's. I'm going to Tony Romo.

[Brooks]

You think it'll be Romo?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, then give me DeAndre Hopkins.

[Mike Wright]

Look, here, here's what I think. I think that I know that Houston's not going to live an entire year with Brock Oswald like last year. And so I'm guessing you're back to. Back to back. So for me, for me, they're not going to live in that situation. I think Hopkins is the target monster of this group. Adams can disappear at times. Watkins has had the injury history and the quarterback situation. To me, it's Hopkins.

[Andy Holloway]

So they are back to. Back to back, which is crazy. And I have them ordered right now. Sammy Watkins, Devonte Adams, DeAndre Hopkins.

[Mike Wright]

There you go.

[Andy Holloway]

And Mike, Mike, what do you think?

[Brooks]

I agree that it's. It's all quarterback related for Hopkins. Sammy Watkins. I do think it will be Tyrod Taylor, but the injuries. Watkins disappearing at times is scary. But do you really want to buy in to Devonte Adams having one monster?

[Mike Wright]

He's not. He's the only guy in this list that's not a one. He's not the one on the. On the team.

[Brooks]

Yes, very fair. But he is the 1 1B on a team that has the best quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's the National Football League. It is far more valuable to be devonte Adams and be the second best wide receiver on your team than it is to be the best. Look at Sammy Watkins last year and DeAndre Hopkins last year. They stunk. DeAndre Hopkins finished, I think, wide receiver 36. Look at the. Look at the top wide receivers. You had Brandon Cooks and Michael Thomas, right? Both in the top 12. You had Amari Cooper, Michael Crabtree, both in the top 12. You had Jordy Nelson and Devonte Adams, both. When you have a Hall of Fame level quarterback or a great, you know.

[Mike Wright]

Offense, do you think Devonte Adams is putting 12 touchdowns up again? Because these are the same arguments that were used to justify Randall Cobb.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no.

[Mike Wright]

For years. And I don't think 12. Look, Hopkins caught more passes last year than Devonte Adams.

[Andy Holloway]

In my rankings, they are 20, 21 and 22.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

So I'm not, I'm not calling for.

[Mike Wright]

The repeat here, but the upside potential to me is much higher for Hopkins. When you're the number one and you've seen what he did before, where he had a season.

[Andy Holloway]

I think if you're going true upside, then it's Watkins.

[Mike Wright]

No, true up. You're telling me watkins upside is 111 catches, 1500 plus yards and 11 touchdowns? Because that's what Hopkins already did in 2015.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but not with Brock Osweiler.

[Mike Wright]

He did it with nobody. Still, he did it with Brian Hoyer and two other backups. You cannot tell me what you got to say. The Hawks upside higher on the guy that's already had an otherworldly year than the guy who hasn't done it.

[Brooks]

I will say this. Aaron Rodgers had. Because we want touchdowns, right? You're talking about Ken. Devonte Adams sustained that. Aaron Rodgers was number one in the league with 128 passes inside the red zone. All right. Huge number down here you have. I know brock didn't play 16 games, but he played basically the whole season. Brock Osweiler, 62 passes in the red zone. Tyrod Taylor, 56 passes in the red zone. And I know that Sammy Watkins is. Is a dynamic deep threat, but the group, the packers are just. They're going to score boatloads of points. They will score those points again next year and they will continue to throw inside the red zone. That's just what they do.

[Mike Wright]

You say all that to say, who are you taking? Who are you taking to that group?

[Brooks]

This is really, really difficult.

[Mike Wright]

Like I said, the number. The problem with being the number Two is. It could be. You know, it was Randall Cobb two years ago.

[Brooks]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Devonte Adams has one year of 75 catches. I'm not buying in. He's going to. I just wrote down he's going to be one of my fades. Because if people are picking him over Watkins and you're on the clock, only.

[Andy Holloway]

Those three players are available. I would.

[Brooks]

I'm going to take Adams.

[Mike Wright]

So, Jason, you took Watkins.

[Andy Holloway]

Actually, I have a note based on your rankings. No, I have a note here. Move Watkins down. So I'm going to be taking devonte Adams.

[Mike Wright]

Brooks, who do you have?

[Brooks]

Oh, Brooks. Brooksie Hopkins and Watkins.

[Mike Wright]

Hopkins. Well, you only pick one, so. Hopkins. We only needed one.

[Andy Holloway]

Sorry, that's my order.

[Brooks]

That's Watkins. Adams, that's your first and last time answering a question. Brooks.

[Mike Wright]

That took a while too. All right, this one comes in on Twitter from avid gross9. Any chance perryman or Dixon can be dependable starters?

[Brooks]

Dixon, sure. There's absolutely a world where Dixon can be. There's a world where both Perryman could. Yeah, look at that. Look at what's happened to that wide receiver core.

[Mike Wright]

Steve Smith is gone.

[Brooks]

Gone. Kamar Aiken's a free agent. Who else do you have?

[Mike Wright]

Mike Wallace is in the clouds. Yeah, but he's okay.

[Brooks]

I still like Mike Wallace for next year, but you're in a situation where that wide receiver core is just going to be completely rehauled. He's still a first round pedigree. We've seen some flashes of it. The Ravens are throwing the ball more than almost every single team in the league. I don't know if they are going to keep that up, but yeah, Joe Flacco was number two in the league in completions and attempts. So there's absolutely a world where Perryman can be a reliable start. And what's nice about Perryman is he will still be buried in the draft. He'll be one of those later round guys that you can take a nearly free shot on and move on if you have to.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Tommy duffy at King TD 22 says at the FF ballers, how do you occupy yourselves in this time of year? Especially. Especially for non dynasty?

[Brooks]

There's too much to do, man.

[Mike Wright]

How do you occupy yourself in February for a non dynasty player? I can tell you, testifying to our own activities. We are pouring ourselves into the development of the ultimate draft kit. That is a. You know, you got draft prospects right now, two free agency and the NFL draft right on the horizon. So for us we are trying to prepare the ultimate draft kit in its entirety. You know, we're building out all of our preseason rankings. We're building out our projection systems and all of those things. So we are certainly in the preparation mode. I know we had to buy Brooks a microphone. That took a while.

[Brooks]

I'm doing tons of data collection here, breaking things down. Like another stat here for Green Bay, their wide, their wide receivers. The wide receivers for Green Bay were 85% scored. 85% of the touchdowns for that team.

[Andy Holloway]

Seems like a number that's going to regress it.

[Brooks]

Does it?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Brooks]

Who's going to run them in?

[Andy Holloway]

Eddie Lacey.

[Mike Wright]

Is he sure they had no running back this past year?

[Brooks]

Well, they had Montgomery, who was actually a wide receiver. He was pretty good. I think he was over five a carry. I mean, he got it done. He just wasn't running them in because they say, why would we do that when you have Aaron Rodgers, he's a monster in the red zone.

[Mike Wright]

No, I. Look, it's a really good fantasy football discussion to talk about the twos and threes on high profile offenses and comparing that to the ones that have let you down for the entirety of the year. Whether it's an Allen Robinson or Watkins or Hopkins. These guys that even a guy like Pryor. Right, like Pryor is the number one on this, on that Browns team last year. But you had reliability issues. You couldn't count on touchdowns.

[Brooks]

That's.

[Mike Wright]

It's a really, really good debate we saw two years ago in 2015, you saw green Bay, they brought James Jones back temporarily and Aaron Rodgers immediately makes James Jones relevant. The fear is less about like the whole argument is right to me. I think someone will do that. I just don't know if it's Adams or Cobigan or a mysterious Geronimo Allison or some. Or maybe it's Jared Cook. Like, it's just harder to predict, I think. But maybe, you know, that's. It's a good debate, it's a good discussion. I'd want to hear what the Foot Clan has to say about that a little bit. Maybe share your thoughts on Twitter. Whether you'd rather put your stock in a guy like Hopkins or Watkins to be that breakout number one 1500 yard guy, or rather you'd rather go the Eric Decker route, you know, and have that solid, consistent, you know, hope for Devonte Adams. So that's a, that's an interesting question to me.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I agree. I mean, it's a real question mark. This last year you saw the top level wide receivers score less touchdowns and the wide receiver 2 and 3 score more touchdowns. Just looking at a, you know, going back 10 years, that, that was the trend that kind of broke the way of the secondary of the second and third. Wide receivers.

[Brooks]

You saw running back scoring a lot more too, so.

[Mike Wright]

And there are other players that fall into this category than Devonte Adams. I mean, Dante Moncrief probably falls into that category.

[Brooks]

Right?

[Mike Wright]

A player who is a prolific quarterback situation. So, yeah, that is it for today's show. Thank you for tuning into the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Find us on Twitter at the Ffballers. Make sure you check out Fantasy Jocks if you need a trophy ring, that type of thing. We appreciate you listening in. Check out the website, the fantasy footballers.com.

[Brooks]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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