Fantasy Football Podcast 2017 - This or That Decisions, Tyreek Talk, The Woke One Returns

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary: "This or That Decisions, Tyreek Talk, The Woke One Returns"

Release Date: June 6, 2017
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
Podcast: Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast

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Introduction and Welcome

The episode kicks off with a lively exchange among hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright, celebrating Taco Tuesday with humorous banter about their love for tacos (00:37). They briefly acknowledge contributions from community members, notably Captain Sink’s generous barbecue purchase to celebrate the Ultimate Draft Kit (UDK) release (02:02).

Jeremy Macklin’s Surprise Release from the Chiefs

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the unexpected release of Jeremy Macklin from the Kansas City Chiefs, sparking concerns about its impact on the team's dynamic and fantasy football implications (02:43).

• Andy Holloway (02:43): Highlights Macklin’s release amid the Chiefs' cap space constraints, indicating financial motivations behind the decision despite Macklin’s productivity.

• Mike Wright (05:03): Notes Spencer Ware’s contract situation, adding context to the Chiefs’ roster changes.

• Jason Moore (06:36): Discusses the potential rise in Tyreek Hill’s role following Macklin’s departure, emphasizing Hill's talent and the necessity for increased usage.

Notable Quote:

Andy Holloway (02:43): "If I was a Chiefs fan, I would be happy because they looked at what they had and decided to build for the future with Pat Mahomes."

Fantasy Impact and Potential Destinations for Macklin

The hosts delve into the fantasy fallout of Macklin's release, debating his potential destinations and the effects on other players like Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce.

• Jason Moore (13:00): Suggests the Baltimore Ravens as a logical destination for Macklin, praising his talent and fit within the Ravens’ offense.

• Mike Wright (14:25): Considers the Arizona Cardinals a suitable landing spot, given their quarterback situation and need for Macklin’s skills.

Notable Quote:

Jason Moore (13:10): "I see Tyreek Hill taking over that one spot as a wide receiver, and I don't value that spot much in a dynasty league."

Additional Fantasy Football News

The discussion shifts to other relevant news affecting fantasy leagues:

• Tristan Michael’s Signing with the Indianapolis Colts (14:47): The hosts discuss Michael’s sporadic signings and potential impact.

• Dennis Pitta’s Injury (16:05): Andy Holloway reports on Pitta’s dislocated hip, expressing doubts about his return and the consequent impact on the Baltimore Ravens’ receiving corps.

• Injuries to Other Players (17:15): Coverage includes Cameron Meredith's thumb injury, Corey Coleman's hamstring issues, and Jordan Matthews' knee tendinitis, highlighting the challenges fantasy owners face with roster depth.

Sponsored Segment: This or That Decisions

The "This or That" segment engages listeners in making tough draft decisions between closely ranked players:

1. DeMarco Murray vs. Jay Ajayi (21:04)

   • Andy Holloway (21:48): Chooses DeMarco Murray for his consistent workload and established role.
   • Jason Moore (25:20): Prefers Jay Ajayi for his upward trajectory and potential increased usage.

2. Todd Gurley vs. Lamar Miller (27:22)

   • Andy Holloway (27:45): Selects Todd Gurley for his high ceiling, despite concerns about Jeff Fisher’s coaching.
   • Mike Wright (30:42) and Jason Moore (32:09): Favor Lamar Miller for his potential improvement and reliability.

3. LeGarrett Blount vs. Mike Gillislee (34:54)

   • Andy Holloway (35:21): Prefers Mike Gillislee for his higher reward potential if he secures the starting role.
   • Jason Moore (37:20): Agrees with selecting Gillislee over Blount due to greater upside.

4. Alvin Kamara vs. Duke Johnson (40:37)

   • Andy Holloway: Opts for Alvin Kamara for his explosive potential in the New Orleans offense.
   • Jason Moore: Chooses Duke Johnson for his realistic path to being the primary back in Baltimore.
   • Mike Wright: Prefers Kamara, citing better ceiling despite Duke Johnson’s opportunities.

5. Brandon Marshall vs. Kelvin Benjamin (53:16)

   • Andy Holloway (53:16): Strongly favors Brandon Marshall over Kelvin Benjamin due to reliability and volume.
   • Jason Moore (55:43): Initially leans towards Kelvin Benjamin but ultimately switches to Brandon Marshall after considering Benjamin’s inconsistent performance.
   • Mike Wright (54:14): Slightly favors Marshall but acknowledges Kelvin’s potential.

6. Tyler Eifert vs. Jimmy Graham (49:43)

   • Andy Holloway (50:06): Chooses Tyler Eifert for his red-zone targets and offensive role.
   • Jason Moore (51:10): Selects Jimmy Graham for his proven reliability and higher likelihood of playing all 16 games.
   • Mike Wright (48:46): Aligns with Josh Docks selection but discusses the alternatives.

7. Prashad Perryman vs. Josh Dachshund (46:07)

   • Andy Holloway (47:10) and Jason Moore (48:30): Favor Prashad Perryman for his immediate opportunity in Baltimore.
   • Mike Wright (48:46): Chooses Josh Dachshund for his talent and potential with a better quarterback.

Notable Quote:

Andy Holloway (27:22): "Todd Gurley is the obvious pick for me for ceiling. Look, worst case scenario, I think these guys end up about the same."

Mailbag Segment

Listeners’ questions are addressed, providing personalized advice:

1. Drafting Against Podcast Hosts (61:11):

   • Response: The hosts discuss the challenge of drafting against each other due to their shared rankings and knowledge, advising familiarity with league mates' preferences to mitigate difficulties.

2. Selling PPR to a 14-Man, 14-Year-Old League (63:29)

   • Jason Moore (63:33): Suggests aligning with ESPN’s default PPR format, emphasizing the benefits of pass-heavy players in scoring.

3. Tier Rankings and Draft Strategies (65:57)

   • Jason Moore (66:17): Recommends prioritizing elite running backs early and focusing on wide receivers thereafter, as PPR reduces positional scarcity.

Notable Quote:

Jason Moore (66:17): "Once you get to about the running back 24 and the wide receiver 24, wide receivers score more than their counterpart at running back."

Final Thoughts and Giveaways

The episode concludes with the hosts promoting giveaways, including jerseys from Pristine Auction and their Ultimate Draft Kit (footclangiveaway.com). They also touch on a new app idea for Carlos Hyde, humorously referred to as a "Yelp for injuries."

Notable Quote:

Jason Moore (69:36): "If you need a trophy or a championship ring, go to fantasyjocks.com promo code is footballers."

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Key Takeaways

• Jeremy Macklin's Release: A pivotal moment affecting the Kansas City Chiefs’ roster and fantasy football dynamics, with potential positive implications for Tyreek Hill.

• Player Comparisons: Critical "This or That" decisions highlight the importance of evaluating player potential, opportunity, and team dynamics in draft strategies.

• Draft Strategies: Emphasis on securing elite running backs early in drafts, followed by a focus on wide receivers, especially in PPR formats where wide receivers gain additional value.

• Listener Engagement: Practical advice tailored to unique league formats, fostering a community-driven approach to fantasy football success.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Andy Holloway: "If I was a Chiefs fan, I would be happy because they looked at what they had and decided to build for the future with Pat Mahomes." (02:43)

• Jason Moore: "I see Tyreek Hill taking over that one spot as a wide receiver, and I don't value that spot much in a dynasty league." (08:35)

• Andy Holloway: "Todd Gurley is the obvious pick for me for ceiling. Look, worst case scenario, I think these guys end up about the same." (27:22)

• Jason Moore: "Once you get to about the running back 24 and the wide receiver 24, wide receivers score more than their counterpart at running back." (66:17)

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the key discussions, strategic insights, and engaging interactions from the episode, providing valuable information for both seasoned and novice fantasy football enthusiasts.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

Hey. This is Martavius Bryant, aka Marty McBride.

[Jason Moore]

Hey.

[Andy Holloway]

This is Fred Jackson. This is hall of Famer Marshall Falk. Hey.

[Jason Moore]

This is Alan Robinson. Hey.

[Andy Holloway]

This is Abdullah. Hey. This is Willie Snee. Hey. This is David Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

Hey. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

This is Kristen Michael. Hi. This is Eric Dickinson, NFL hall of Famer. And you listen to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from the fantasyjocks.com studios. With your host Andy Holloway away, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome into the show. It's Tuesday. You know what that means?

[Mike Wright]

That it's tacos.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, we're gonna eat tacos.

[Mike Wright]

Don't tempt me with a good time over here.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't tempt me with a good time.

[Mike Wright]

I love tacos.

[Andy Holloway]

Tacos are delicious. Tacos, burritos, quesadillas.

[Mike Wright]

Stop.

[Andy Holloway]

Chicken tacos. It's all good.

[Mike Wright]

Welcome to the Taco Tacoers.

[Jason Moore]

I'll be back later guys, I gotta get going.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome into the show. It is Taco Tuesday, June 6, 2017. Great show for you today. We are jam packed. We have a bunch of fantasy football news, a great quick question, some fallout after a big release happened this past week and a ton more. We'll get into some mailbag questions. Very excited. Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike the Fantasy Hitman Wright are here. The website's the fantasy footballers.com and I'm excited to get started, guys. First, I do want to give a quick shout out. Yes, we had the UDK release and we also had one of the long term foot clan members, Captain sink from jointhefoot.com he reached out and dare I say he insisted on buying us barbecue to celebrate the udk.

[Jason Moore]

And he also added on a rack of ribs I would not, have, would not have requested. And those were delicious. Thank you, Captain Sink.

[Mike Wright]

Well, Captain Sink was single handedly the reason for a productivity drop. It was a disaster in the afternoon of June 1st.

[Andy Holloway]

I was gonna say he purchased us.

[Jason Moore]

It was awesome.

[Andy Holloway]

Three waking naps. Three waking naps. No, but thank you very much. We wanted to say thanks to everybody who pre ordered and bought the ultimate draft kit and supported the show. The feedback has been great thus far.

[Mike Wright]

And we're still adding to it.

[Jason Moore]

There's something cool stuff coming, man.

[Andy Holloway]

There is. So. All right, quick question of the day, guys. Big surprise happened this past week, which.

[Mike Wright]

I want to say real quick. A big surprise happened and I hate this big surprise because it covered up the news of the week last week, which we will get to. But it got bumped down.

[Andy Holloway]

No, it's just ironic because One was really tied into you and one was really tied into me. I am a big Dirty Cake fan. I am speaking of Jeremy Macklin. Always have been. Jeremy Macklin, a surprise release from the Kansas City Chiefs this past week was running with the first teams. Alex Smith is said to have been quote shocked at the release. This was not a result of injury, although last year was an injury plagued year for Jeremy Macklin and so yeah, he missed weeks nine through 13 last year. What is the fantasy fallout of the Macklin release? I wanted to jump in real quick and just set some context and what I believe this move means and then toss it to you to talk about not only Macklin leaving but the other players that are affected and where Macklin might go. The writing was on the wall for this move when the Kansas City Chiefs decided to trade up and select Pat Mahomes in the draft. If you looked at when they had 72 guys under roster are under contract, they had four or I'm sorry, $3.51 million of cap space, that's the second lowest total in the league. Basically exactly tied with the Los Angeles Rams as of today according to the NFLPA's website. So they don't have cap room and this went Macklin's direction. Big money for Macklin. I'm sure he would have been very productive this year. Productive, very productive as he has been in that offense. But this means there's a change happening in Kansas City to me and this gives me encouragement for guys like Tyree Kill and Kareem Hunt and Pat Mahomes. It gives me fear for the existing regime which would have been Macklin and Alex Smith and anybody else that is Spencer Warehouse to a degree. Do you know Spencer Ware's current contract situation?

[Mike Wright]

I can look it up for you.

[Andy Holloway]

Tell me how far he's under contract through 2018.

[Jason Moore]

He'll be an unrestricted free agent in 2019.

[Andy Holloway]

So he's still under contract for next year. For how much?

[Jason Moore]

Two million. Okay, so it's not.

[Andy Holloway]

So he may not be heading anywhere.

[Jason Moore]

But I'll tell you who is almost identical. Contract shark Hendrick west also has a $2 million hit for 2018. Restricted free agent in 2019.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, I'll say one last thing and then ask the fantasy questions. If I was a Chiefs fan, I would be happy. And that's what I'm going to say. I would be happy because they, they looked at what they had and they decided we can go into the next two years with a bad cap situation and no realistic chance to Win a Super bowl with Alex Smith, which is what I believe they decided, or they could begin the process of changing. They drafted Kareem Hunt, traded up for him, traded up for Pat Mahomes and said, let's build. Look, what is the. One of the biggest advantages in the NFL, a young, practically free quarterback, which is what you get in the draft. You saw it with Russell Wilson and what that afforded the Seahawks the ability to do so fantasy wise. Macklin's out the door all of a sudden. The. I mean, I think we all would have viewed him as the one still. Oh, certainly in Kansas City. So the number one wide receivers out the door. What does this mean for Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelsey, Alex Smith, Chris Conley, Albert Wilson, the fallout of losing the number one and the depth chart.

[Mike Wright]

I'll jump in here and if you were on Twitter at all this weekend, you could have just renamed it Tyreek Twitter. Because that's, that's all everything was. I did move Tyreek up, but I had him buried and he's still, he's still a high end wide receiver 3. For me, what I was concerned about for Tyreek was will the usage actually go up. I know they talked about it, but Jeremy Macklin was still the wide receiver one for that team. I don't know or I say I don't believe that Tyreek Hill can be a wide receiver 1 Command what Jeremy Macklin can over the course of a year. Yeah, he can have these huge games, these big plays. But if we're looking for fantasy purposes, I think Macklin's numbers just spread them out to Tyreek, Chris Conley. As far as the wide receiver position, it's a big bump for me, for Travis Kelce when it comes to dependability. When Kelsey started his sensational run down the stretch, that's when Jamie Macklin was out. When he rattled off, I believe it was four straight 100 yard games that Jeremy Macklin was out for. Three of those was his first game back for the final one. And that's been the complaint for Travis Kelsey. It's not the ability, it's just usage. It's targets. And I believe the team saw what Kelsey did last year and they said, we can move forward with this without Jeremy Macklin and our offense can still function at the level that we want it to.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I agree with that in the sense that, you know, you saw in week 12 or actually week 11. That was two weeks after Jeremy Macklin went down. That is when Kelsey really took over when the run started and he looked great. I think this. I did bump Travis Kelce up. It didn't change him in my rankings because he was already kind of established where he was in a tier.

[Mike Wright]

Where do you have him?

[Jason Moore]

I think he's my three. Right.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

And so I, you know, I love Travis Kelsey when it comes to Tyreek Hill, which is really what most people want to know. I mean, like you said, Twitter was exploding, and I think people are probably overdoing their Tyreek Hill love. My initial reaction was like, wow. With Macklin out of the way, Tyree Kill is going to have to, you know, it's one of those things where they can say they're going to involve him more, but they might not now. They have to. So I know they're going to involve him more. I disagree with you in the sense that I believe that Tyreek Hill has the tools and the ability and the talent, the route running to actually be a successful wide receiver. One what he doesn't have right now is the quarterback to do that with. Alex Smith. There's a reason why we called Jeremy Macklin a really good wide receiver. The dirty cake.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And it was because he was actually limited by this offense and by Alex Smith. And we saw that, you know, while he was in Kansas City, he was not a great fantasy asset. And so I see Tyree Kill taking over that one spot as a wide receiver, and I don't value that spot much in a dynasty league. I think this is good news for Tyreek Hill. But if we're just talking a redraft league, you know, it's. Chris Conley could surprise. But I mean, all of those guys, I'm not super excited about any of them that aren't named Travis Kelsey. The best fantasy asset here is probably going to be Jeremy Macklin.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Not if he goes. Not if he goes to Buffalo.

[Jason Moore]

I agree there. If he goes to the Ravens and.

[Andy Holloway]

We'Ll shift and talk Macklin for a second because there are some great destinations. Matt Harmon's reception perception, if you look at it inside the ultimate draft kit and you look at the success rate versus coverage for Tyreek Hill last year, it was very good on the majority of his routes. I think he impressed in that regard. And I agree with you. There's really no way that losing Macklin does anything but benefit Hill, whether you decide that's marginal or large. I mean, the snap counts for Tyreek Hill compared to his production last year were insane. So the snap count's going to go up. Production can go up. What I've had a problem Doing. And what I've exchanged with listeners on Twitter about is everybody wants to bump up to me. I saw the reaction even more with Travis Kelsey as well, because he was the number one tight end last year. Now you bring him in this situation and, oh, my goodness, I know you can't bank on a quarterback change three quarters through the season when you're struggling in your division, but that risk is factored into how I think about both of those players. I do worry about what things look like for Kansas City three quarters of the way through the year. Maybe I'm vastly underrating their. Their willingness to ride Smith and where and what they have, and they just wanted to cut Macklin, but I do worry about that. I don't think you trade up and draft a guy number 12 if you're not willing to make a change when it's necessary.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, but they mean they were in the playoffs. They were last year.

[Andy Holloway]

So why draft Pat Mahomes?

[Mike Wright]

For the future.

[Andy Holloway]

Right? And I get that. I mean, they were a very good team last year. I love the Chiefs. But they obviously are going in a different direction for the future, too.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, but that's. If you see a guy that's. You say, this is a franchise quarterback. Alex Smith is coming to the end of his contract. Alex Smith is who he is at this point of his career. So why not take a guy. And if you have the luxury of letting him actually sit for a year, quarterbacks do not get to do that anymore. If Pat Mahomes does, that's. That's even better for his career trajectory.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me ask you a question. Are the Chiefs better than the Raiders?

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's probably a no.

[Mike Wright]

Probably a no.

[Andy Holloway]

Are the Chiefs better than the Denver Broncos?

[Mike Wright]

I would say yes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Better or at least equal?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, equal. I mean, that's.

[Andy Holloway]

Are they better than the San Diego or the Los Angeles Chargers?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

I think the Chargers are all four of those.

[Andy Holloway]

That's going to be a top 10. That's what I'm saying.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Jeremy Macklin. Where do you believe he lands? What is his. You know, it's never a good thing to be in this situation and then land someplace and expect great fantasy production. That being said, there is a gaping hole in Baltimore, but there are reports of Macklin already talking to Buffalo, being recruited by Shady McCoy. Shady, because Macklin said, find me another team that only throws for about 3,000 yards on offense.

[Jason Moore]

If you watch the actual interview where LaShawn McCoy was quoted in talking about that, he's like, it's almost a throwaway thing. He's like, yeah, you know, I did my recruiting, you know, don't be surprised if he comes.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he's. But he is having preliminary talks with Buffalo. Yes, that's a, that's a verified report.

[Jason Moore]

The Ravens, to me, makes so much sense what has happened, especially after the loss of Dennis Pitta. Their targets are gone from last year and they have a giant hole and year after year, I mean, they're replacing them with a great aging wide receiver in Steve Smith. Then they did it with Mike Wallace, and now I think they could do that with Jeremy Macklin. And if he goes there, I am not calling him dirty cake. He's straight German chocolate cake. And I love German chocolate cake or maybe even a banana cream pie, which is, let's be honest, the best I.

[Mike Wright]

This, the actual cutting of Macklin does bring me joy because I've, I've had to speak negatively about Jeremy Macklin here for years. And I love Jeremy Macklin. I think he is an excellent wide receiver, but the offense has just capped him. So I think Baltimore is very interesting and I'm going to throw out. Maybe it's a little. Sounds a little hometown, but I think the Arizona Cardinals is an excellent landing spot for Jeremy Macklin between Fitzgerald, moving on John Brown. We think he's back, but maybe he's not. And behind that, what do you have? J.J. nelson, you have.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I agree.

[Mike Wright]

I would love to see Jeremy Macklin in Arizona especially. He'd have fantasy value here as well.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, we're going to get into this and that here momentarily. But first we'll kind of follow this up with the rest of the fantasy football news you need to know about.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league.

[Mike Wright]

Well, let's get to the real news.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's the irony. Oh, there it is. Oh, yeah. Back from the dead.

[Mike Wright]

He will never, ever go away.

[Andy Holloway]

Do not forget that Tristan Michael has signed with the Indianapolis Colts. Yeah, making the rounds like an old baseball reliever. My Twitter timeline, he doesn't even signs three month contracts.

[Mike Wright]

And people want. Because when you tout Christian Michael for this long, people want to know your take. My honest take is let's, let's see him make the 53 man roster.

[Andy Holloway]

First of all, step one, we were.

[Jason Moore]

You know, we're in a dynasty league together and it was like, oh man, should we look at, you know, it's a deep, deep roster.

[Mike Wright]

I picked him up in one of my dynasty leagues because I just dropped him a couple of weeks ago.

[Jason Moore]

Would you rather have Robert Turbin or Chris and Michael? It's definitely Robert Turbin.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So I think realistically this is not going to be news that actually affects the fans.

[Andy Holloway]

So the dirty cake gets released, the woke one gets signed and the narrative continues forever. Did you know another friend of the show had him on the show before. You know, Fred Jackson's petitioning for a job still.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I did see that. I did see that.

[Jason Moore]

I'm sure there are some great coaching opportunities for him. He's a great guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, really sad news. Dennis Pitta suffered a dislocated hip during OTAs. Really just disastrous. 32 years old, third time this has happened. And I would say the odds are severely in favor of the fact that, you know, it's over for Dennis Pitta. I think it should be.

[Jason Moore]

If I was family of Dennis Pitta, there's no way I could say surgery, go back and do it again.

[Andy Holloway]

So Dennis Pitta likely gone for the year, maybe, maybe gone for good. And Ben Watson, Crocky Gilmore, Max Williams are on the depth chart there in Baltimore. With Dennis Pitta being lost, I believe the number was 345 targets gone from that offense last year.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, 335 targets, 335 set. Cusczyk, Aiken, Smith, Pitta. I mean those were major targets in this offense and they are all absent for 2017.

[Andy Holloway]

So probably one of the reasons Mike moved Mike Wallace up his board today. Also Ben Watson, we have. I adjusted him, I moved him up. I had already moved him up a little bit not knowing how things would shake out there.

[Mike Wright]

I moved him up as well. In our one of the dynasty league where we managed the team together, we had Dennis Pitta. We made the immediate move of. Once it came out that his hip was dislocated, we dropped Pitta and we picked up Ben Watson.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. So I recommend doing the same if you're in a league of that sort of depth. Cameron Meredith, Corey Coleman, Jordan Matthews all missing some time right now due to injury. Cameron Meredith is six to eight weeks with a thumb injury.

[Mike Wright]

That's unfortunate.

[Andy Holloway]

Surgery not ruled out. It's. Yeah, it is unfortunate. You kind of need that time. I feel like if you're a height candidate. Corey Coleman dealing with two injuries, sore hamstring, which should be concerning for owners because he dealt with this soft tissue stuff last year. He also like landed on the football. We mentioned that on the last show. So he's going to miss some time. And then Jordan Matthews has missed the past week of OTAs due to knee tendinitis nothing huge there.

[Mike Wright]

Jamal Charles or is that I'm about to be traded? Itis.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, I don't know. I don't know if he's hanging out with Ryan Matthews over there or not. Jamal Charles progressed to some light drills during running back ota practice. I only bring him up because I don't feel like we talk to him very much about him very much. But, you know, he's going to need to move on to medium and heavy drills if he wants to see those.

[Jason Moore]

Heavy, he's going to need to move on to full participation. I mean, that's one of the things people are drafting Jamal Charles still, you know, as that what he could do. He could be something. And it's. This is two years running on trying to get back, and he's not healthy right now. He's. I mean, that.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't you feel the same way? He's not back when you see because Macklin to Buffalo, you have what, Tay Jones, Zay Jones dealing with an injury, and then you got Sammy Watkins dealing with the foot. I mean, you see Sammy Watkins and you go, I mean, you feel like you should be getting into camp and, oh, he's fine now, but it's not the case.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So, yeah, not a lot of high expectations there for Jamal Charles at this time. All right, you guys ready to. You ready to play a game?

[Mike Wright]

Who am I?

[Jason Moore]

I want to play a game.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, we got to play the eating game first, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Take a deep breath, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

You. You knocked over?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

All right, good. Thanks to Omas. Thanks for supporting the podcast. All right, this or that. Why don't one of you guys lay out how this segment works? We did this last year. It's a lot of fun.

[Mike Wright]

I'll jump in here. We're looking at. So the AADP is taking shape and by our estimation, these are two guys you're going to have to make a decision on. You can only get one because of where they're going to be drafted. There's just not a chance you're going to be able to snag both unless people in your league fall asleep. So we're pairing guys in a similar position and so they're very close in adp. So we are going to start this off with our first DeMarco Murray versus J. Ajayi. You're probably looking at early seconds for either of these guys. If you had you're on the clock. Who are you taking, Murray or Ajayi?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm taking demarco Murray. I feel the allure of Jay Ajayi, but I'm taking demarco Murray. I think that demarco Murray has the established high volume workload as opposed to the current hype train that's taking place in Miami about a high volume workload. He has done it not just last year but years before. And I can't argue with the consistency level of demarco Murray. So for me, with this being, you know, a second pick in my fantasy draft, I really like the idea of putting DeMarco Murray on my roster. 280 plus carries is something I think is kind of a foregone conclusion for me.

[Mike Wright]

He was tied for third.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

In carries and had some.

[Andy Holloway]

He was banged up a little bit.

[Mike Wright]

Right. And he was 10th in those five zone carries. I mean your opportunity to score clearly goes up when you're inside the five. Seventh in receptions. But on the other side, Jai was not the starter until week five. Ninth in total touches, fourth in rushing yards. We know he had those three 200 plus games. But something I thought was interesting when I was, when I preparing for this game he had seven carries inside the five. Damian Williams had six. And those all came after Ajayi was the starter. So these weren't in the first couple weeks. He snuck them out, had that stat total before Ajayi took over. Is there any realistic concern for Damian Williams here to be vulturing away touchdowns from JI I know it sounds absolutely ludicrous, but those are the numbers.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not too concerned now. It's. It's kind of similar to other players when, when you are running an offense that's going to have a lot of opportunity, you might have someone else with a lot of carries. For instance, Lashawn McCoy and Mike Gillislee. Last year, the Gillisle, you know, the Lashamaquai owner was so pissed.

[Mike Wright]

It was like, oh man, it was the worst.

[Jason Moore]

Why are you giving it to Gillislee? I think at least there you could make the argument that Gillislee is good, whereas Damian Williams not so much. Sorry, Damian, but I don't worry that Jay won't get goal line carries. And that would be the worry is if you've got a guy coming in that's going to steal all of his opportunity. Yeah, I would, you know that that's something you have to concern yourself with. But he got, you know, I mean, you look towards the end of the year, you know, games right in a row, two carries inside the 10 back to back.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, the goal line concern, Derek Henry in Tennessee is great.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's also.

[Andy Holloway]

But what differentiates them is I haven't seen, you know, the passing volume go to JI to the degree that it's gone to DeMarco Murray in the past. And Murray doubled up, basically doubled up on targets to Ajayi last year, had three receiving touchdowns compared to zero for Ajayi. They're very close. And if I was playing on a very upside team or I was trying to consider things like, hey, am I going to have this player as a keeper consideration, I don't mind whatsoever. You're going with Jay. I love both of these players this year. This is not a this or that decision that makes me go, you know, one's great, one's bad. This is like good or better to me. And you know, you know, depending on who I took with that first pick, that might actually determine which of these two guys it takes. So not a hard stance by me, but DeMarco Murray on my side. Before we move on to the next.

[Jason Moore]

Choice here, Jason, you know, I think I would have to side with Jay Ajayi in this because I think he is heading in the right direction. His arrow to me is pointing up versus DeMarco Murray with Derek Henry behind him, the arrow slightly pointing down. I like both of these players. This would be the only combo of everybody we're talking about today that realistically you could actually take both because they're going to be around that first second round turn. So if you are at the 12 spot, you could end up grabbing both of these guys. I would like that.

[Mike Wright]

But would you want to do that?

[Jason Moore]

I would. I would love to have two stud running backs to start. The thing is, is from week five on, when he was the starter last year, Jay Ajayi outpaced demarco Murray. I mean, they were both great. Demarco Murray was the number seven back from week five on. JJ Was the. Was the fifth back from.

[Andy Holloway]

These are both teams projected to be potential playoff teams as well. It's close. It's very close. We've got JI up on the wall.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Oh, so we do.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

We had a.

[Andy Holloway]

We have five jerseys to pick up, by the way.

[Mike Wright]

You know, it's because you guys frequently accuse me of having a problem. And then I pointed out to you, we have a.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not a problem. When they arrive, we have a loyal.

[Mike Wright]

Fan who's like, I just got my. I just got my 24th autographed jersey. And I said, you, sir, are doing it right.

[Jason Moore]

He's just wearing them. That's his wardrobe now. He's just. He goes out in a jiji sign. Jesus.

[Andy Holloway]

I can say. I'll say one thing, his son's going to community college. All right. Todd Gurley vs. Lamar Miller. This or that. Todd Gurley vs. Lamar miller. For me, as opposed to the previous choices. This is like, why would I even think about it? To me, really? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I agree. But I think we're on opposite side.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, it's not even a. It's not even a question to me. Even taking the angle that you did with a Jay and potential, you know, the youth versus opportunity to me, look, Todd Gurley is the obvious pick for me for ceiling. Look, worst case scenario, I think these guys end up about the same. Best case scenario, Ty Gurley is a top five running back in a Sean McVeigh offense out from the giant smelly shadow of Jeff Fisher. It's a smelly shadow, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

You're downwind.

[Andy Holloway]

Casts both a darkness and an aroma.

[Mike Wright]

Jeff Fisher is. Is such a stinky coach. His shadow is actually scratch and sniff.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't try to take over my stinky aroma joke.

[Mike Wright]

I'm helping feeding you.

[Andy Holloway]

You're not helping. You don't need to scratch anything. Just walk around. If you've seen a room that Jeff Fisher's been in, the Carp is starting to curl. All right, look. Todd Gurley, 278 for 885 and 6. Well, Jason's already going to be featured on. What was that? The.

[Mike Wright]

Hopefully.

[Jason Moore]

Maybe.

[Mike Wright]

We'll see. We'll talk about that later.

[Jason Moore]

All or nothing.

[Andy Holloway]

All or nothing on the Jeff Fisher episode was kind words for Jeff Fisher. 57 targets last year, 43 receptions. Look, you guys looked up a very interesting Todd Gurley stat this past week. Well, we didn't.

[Mike Wright]

We did not.

[Andy Holloway]

This is Scott Barrett.

[Mike Wright]

Shout out to my boy Scott Barrett. He's. He's did a write up on Todd Gurley.

[Andy Holloway]

His shadow smells delightful.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, always very, very fragrant.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Lavender.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you. I didn't know where I was going.

[Andy Holloway]

No, you never do.

[Mike Wright]

So Scott Barrett looking some research on Todd Gurley said there's 320 instances of a running back getting 275 or more carries. This is in the entire NFL or since. This is since I believe since 2000. Todd Gurley last year of those 325th worst yards per carry. And that is historically bad for that volume. In this game where all we want is volume. Give me a guy who's going to actually touch the ball. Todd Gurley was historically bad, but there's some good news because of those bottom 12 in yards per carry. Four of those players were coached by Jeff.

[Jason Moore]

That's so ridiculous.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, that is just inadequacy at the professional level. Just keep giving a guy the ball and don't get. Don't worry about calling plays. Just. You're like, hey, hey, coach, what's the play? Nah, just run it in the. Just run it forward. You're not. You're not designing anything.

[Jason Moore]

So all of that said Mike, you know Andy's taking Todd Gurley. It's not close to him. You said. You made it sound like it was close to you. Who are you taking?

[Andy Holloway]

You're on the clock.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, good grief. All right, so Lamar Miller, 10th in rushing, eighth in total touches. It was. It was a lack of touchdowns. I guess it's a lack of touchdowns for both of these guys. Todd Gurley was also missing big plays. I'm going to go. I'm going to go Lamar Miller here and hope that the scoring opportunity goes up with Brock Osweiler out of town. I know that's putting a lot of faith in Deshaun Watson, who I have as projected the starting quarterback for Houston. You got to get these carries up inside the five, though. As I was looking at Lamar Miller, he had two more carries inside the five than Carlos Hyde, who didn't play Hunt and Hire season. He had one more than Robert Kelly, Terrence West, Kristen Michael and C.J. anderson.

[Jason Moore]

Well, yeah, they weren't near the five a lot. Brock Osweiler made sure of that.

[Mike Wright]

Just saying we need to get him. Got to get those five yard carries up, get those scoring opportunities. If you're wondering why Lamar Miller only had five rushing touchdowns, that is why.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So for me, when I look at the argument between Todd Gurley and Lamar Miller, I know I'm a Lamar Miller apologist. You know, he was my guy last year, and for the most part, we feel like he let us down. I definitely would take Lamar Miller here. He's a guy that right now is being undervalued in drafts because of how he finished the season last year. If you just look at the fact that he.

[Andy Holloway]

You're talking about Todd Gurley.

[Jason Moore]

No, I'm talking about Lamar Miller. No, I didn't say play the whole season.

[Andy Holloway]

I said, oh, no, I thought you said like, oh.

[Jason Moore]

So here's a good. Here's a good point, though.

[Andy Holloway]

Todd Gurley, they're both in similar situations.

[Jason Moore]

They really are. They're on bad.

[Andy Holloway]

Lamar Miller was far less elusive, but they're both in really bad situations.

[Jason Moore]

Well, neither one were efficient. Nobody's going to argue for the efficiency last year of either of these guys.

[Andy Holloway]

However, they'd be in the first round if they were.

[Jason Moore]

If you looked at a career efficiency, Lamar Miller has always been an efficient running back. He got the volume and the efficiency dropped off. So let's say it repeats. Let's say you draft Lamar Miller and once again he gets the volume. Because I'm not worried about the on top Foreman, because he's replacing Alfred Blue. There was already an over 100 carry running back there last season. You've got Lamar Miller, worst case scenario, repeating what he did last year, which last year through week 15 he didn't play in week 16 and 17 at all. He was zero snaps because he wasn't in the game and he would have finished as an RB1. Through week 15 he was the RB16 versus Todd Gurley as the RB15. Except he didn't play two games. Now what happens if Lamar Miller's efficiency is actually back? Even just closer to what his entire career average would be? You're going to have a monster here and if you've got a guy that's going to be coming in in Watson as a running quarterback, that threat has always been a benefit to running teams, you know, especially with high volume running backs. So I think Lamar Miller is a great value again this year. I trust him more. I think the floor is higher.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I don't mind some of your arguments.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean but to say he's just this bringing Deontay Foreman in is not just replacing Alfred Blue. Alfred Blue's going to be there, isn't he? He's not. He's still on that roster. And to say the efficiency, the problem is the volume is not going to be there anymore. They saw what happened to that kind of volume. So to me the volume is going down for him. You add desean Watson, you add another element to the running game. You bring in Deontay Foreman. You don't think there's a chance Deontiforman is afforded goal line opportunities and Alfred Blue stays with a role on this team. It's not a B, it's abc.

[Jason Moore]

Sure. I think there is an opportunity for Deontiforman to look at goal line carries a little bit more. I do see that.

[Andy Holloway]

Look at the goal line carries a little bit more like watch them.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, watch Lamar Miller.

[Andy Holloway]

That's why you draft them.

[Jason Moore]

No, but, but I don't think the volume. I don't think for one second that Alfred Blue is going to be a hundred plus carry running back this year while Deonta Foreman comes in and also adds to that. I think you're going to see Alfred Blue pretty much fall off the map here. That's, that's how I interpret the 4.2.

[Andy Holloway]

A carry last year. WHO Alpha Blue. 4.2 on 100 carries. Very efficient. I agree that both have the opportunity to improve. Let's put it that way. Mike, you took Lamar Miller, Jason, you took Lamar Miller and I took Todd Gurley, LeGarrett Blunt versus Mike Gillislee. Reports coming out today about Gillislee having an inside track on the starting running back job.

[Mike Wright]

I haven't even heard this.

[Andy Holloway]

The high trade coming through. So LeGarrett Blunt, the former starter now in Philadelphia, Mike Gillisle, both of these guys going in the sixth round right about now, probably not going to end up with both on your team though you could now that you get into these further rounds. For me, I'm not a big fan of LeGarrett Blunt this year in Philadelphia. So I just don't think you're going to see anything approaching what you saw last year in any way, shape or form. Volume, touchdowns. He doesn't offer you anything in the passing game. For me it's Mike Gillisle give me the opportunity at something a little bit better. I think Blunt probably. I think both these guys move up ADP wise before the drafts. But I'll take Gillisley. What do you guys think?

[Jason Moore]

I think it's a risk versus reward with these guys. Right. Because Gillis Lee, we are projecting that he's going to be the starter but genuinely we do not know. Nobody knows what the Patriots are going to do with those carries in. You know, they signed Rex Burkhead, they've got a billion running backs. So there's more risk with Gillislee. Whereas, you know, Ryan Matthews is going to be out the door and LeGarrett Blunt is in. There were touchdowns. Ryan Matthews had I think eight touchdowns rushing last year in limited work. So the risk might be less, might be less with LeGarrett blunt, but the reward to me is not close. The reward of LeGarrett Blunt would be he gets 200 carries and close to double digit touchdowns which would, which would be fine for drafting him. You're not going to be disappointed if you get him. But that's the ceiling to me. Whereas Gillislee, if he does take over that role, that ironically Legarrett Blunt is leaving as that goal line back with his skill set in the passing game, with his efficiency in all sorts of running formations. I think Gillislee could be a top 10 back whereas Legarette Blunt does not have that opportunity in Philadelphia.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's for where this is interesting. Obviously Gillislee is replacing LeGarrett Blunt and to kind of project what LeGarrett Blunt is going to do. You can't, you can't look at last year at all. You have to look at Ryan Matthews. The opportunity Ryan Matthews was given and it was surprisingly good what Ryan Matthews was allowed to do as far as touching the ball inside the five. Ryan Matthews in his limited work was tied for fifth in carries inside the five. 16. Four of the last five games that Ryan Matthews played, he had over 15 carries. He was getting volume. Ryan Matthews was simply hurt. So I think that there is a, a lot of work to be afforded for LeGarrett blunt and in the sixth round I would probably be pretty happy to get him on my team. Not if Mike Gillislee is there because for all the reasons that Jason said, LeGarrett blunt 18 rushing touchdowns last year. If you give Gillislee, you know that, that type of a volume, positive game scripts all the time, he is in what I believe he will take over the legare Blunt role for that team moving into this year so that the reward is much higher. Now. Will Mike Gillisle be there in the sixth round come draft season? I mean that hype train will get rolling eventually. So he could jump up even a couple rounds. But if it's six round, this guy versus that guy, I'm going to take Mike Gillisley over LeGarrett blunt, but I'm not by any, any stretch crushing LeGarrett blunt. I think he'll be a fine running back too. In a spot where other people are drafting RB threes because they don't want Blunt on their team.

[Jason Moore]

I think that's possible. Possible. But it's, it's kind of funny to look back at LeGarrett Blunt's career and try not to be so affected by recency bias. He has. Other than this past year where he had 18 touchdowns and I think 19 of those were from the one they were. They were all pretty much gimmes thanks to the Patriots offense. The rest of his decently long career for a running back, he has never finished higher than the running back 30 in half point scoring. So you would have to be saying the Eagles are going to take a good step forward because while Ryan Matthews did have that opportunity, there were also such weird games for him where it was like he got two carries the whole game. They were both inside the five. That's fine.

[Mike Wright]

I'll take you to five carries.

[Jason Moore]

You didn't start him. You couldn't start Ryan Matthews in those weeks. You would have got bailed out by that. So I think there's questions there with, with Legarett.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's talk about Alvin Camara and Duke Johnson, this or that. Do you want Alvin Camara on your roster? Do you want to go with Duke Johnson? Both of these guys currently in the 14th round, you know, in the 14th round. I think both have upside, that's for sure. I like what I saw from an efficiency standpoint from Duke Johnson. There wasn't a lot more than that last year. Could barely score the ball in Cleveland. I probably simply side with the offense in this pick and go with the more explosive Alvin Kamara or Drew Brees led New Orleans offense. What do you guys think?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, this is an offense question. Alvin Kamara is likely to rise while Duke Johnson will will sit in this ADP area. But here's why I like Alvin Kamara. Last year The Saints had 163 targets to the running back position. 78 of those Trevor's Cadet, Timmy Hightower, Kuhn, Daniel Lasko targets that well, Hightower is completely gone. I think Cadet is usurped immediately. With the draft capital the team spent to move up and draft Alvin Camara, you're looking at a possible situation where Alvin Kamara the ceiling is Darren Sprols.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

Those years where Sprouls was getting 70 plus targets, I don't think I'm envisioning that right away for Alvin Camara. It's just, it's in the realm of possibilities. So that's why I would go with with Kamara in this situation.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's really tough. I mean the reason why anybody, anyone wants to stand up for Duke select. I'll stand up for Duke Johnson. I will. Because there's still a lot of mouths to feed in New Orleans with. I agree with everything you said and I would prefer to have a Drew Brees led offense than a Cody Kessler or no, no, no Sean Kaiser, Deshaun Kaiser led offense. But you've got a guy who's done it before. I mean Duke Johnson finished as an RB2 his rookie year and going into last year he was a seventh round draft pick. People were talking about him like he was all the hotness. Isaiah Crowell. Isaiah Crowell ended up being the guy to kind of break out now crows in the third round and Duke Johnson's down in the 14th. While you know you've got an upgraded offensive line, the way that I view these two is I don't see a path for Alvin Camara to finish as a top, you know, 20 top 15 running back. If I need a guy in a full point PPR league who's going to be a necessary flex, I would rather go Kamara. But if I'm taking more of a flyer pick, I Think I would actually rather go for Duke Johnson. His path to taking over the whole show, I think is more realistic. He's one Isaiah Crowell injury away versus the Adrian Peterson, Mark Ingram, Kamara.

[Andy Holloway]

I assume if you have Mark Ingram, Adrian Peterson, Isaiah Cruell, you're drafting the handcuff option here. That would be enough of a difference maker for you. If you have Crowell, you're taking Duke. If you have either of the other guys, you're taking Kamara.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Simply as a tiebreaker.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, maybe. But it's just they. They have standalone value. That's the only reason I would be willing to draft them.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I know. I'm saying for. If you have one of the other guys on the roster, are you ever.

[Jason Moore]

Are you.

[Andy Holloway]

If you have Mark Ingram, are you drafting Duke Johnson here over Alvin Camaro?

[Jason Moore]

I don't think.

[Mike Wright]

No. But even if I had Crowell, I'd probably still draft Kamara.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would not. But I think I agree with what you're saying, Andy. I would side on how my draft has gone up to that point.

[Andy Holloway]

DeAndre Hopkins, Allen Robinson. Where do you guys sit? Whoo.

[Mike Wright]

This is. It's funny how similar these guys are. 150 targets for Hopkins. 151 for Allen Robinson. Massively disappointing. I don't even know where to start on these two guys.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's. It's certainly tough. I am not a huge believer in either of these guys bouncing back to the point of where they're being drafted. But if I have to take one of these two guys, I'm going to side with Alan Robinson, because Alan Robinson and his breakout year did it with Blake Bortles. He has Blake Bortles still. The offense could be even improved by Fournette. You know, there's a narrative there that says it's not just, oh, they're going to become a running team and so there's going to be less opportunity for Allen Robinson. Maybe they're just a better offense because they can move the ball, pick up the third downs, get near the end zone, and there's more opportunity for Allen Robinson. He's got a quarterback that could get it done. Whereas with DeAndre Hopkins, you know, the argument was, well, it was Brock's fault and Brock's gone, so now he should be better. But I think, you know, there were. Yes, the year prior, he didn't have the greatest quarterback play when it wasn't Brian Hoyer. But a lot of it was Brian Hoyer, who I think does not get enough credit, especially for fantasy Football. I do not believe that Tom Savage and a rookie Watson are going to be the fix for DeAndre Hopkins. And I can't imagine taking Hopkins at his ADP right now. When he finished, I mean he's going as basically like the 12th or 13th wide receiver off the board. He finished in the 30s last year and now has just as bad of quarterback situation in my view coming into this year. So I would side Allen Robinson if I had to choose between these two guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I would side with Allen Robinson as well, just by a hair. I think DeAndre Hopkins is incredibly talented. I think he's a top 12 talent in the NFL and I think he can do it with different quarterbacks and bad situations. But last year he clearly couldn't do it with enough, you know, with Brock and well, I think it'll be better for him this season. I think Robinson, you know, he's the better talent with Bortles. So I agree with your guys take on that one. Prashad Perryman, Josh Dachshund. I love this one because we talked about the amount of targets on the board in Baltimore could mean good things for Bashad Perryman. I think we all know what Mike Wallace is, but we don't know what Rashad Perryman is yet. High draft pedigree will have an opportunity. He will have every opportunity to be something if he is something, if that makes sense. Right. If he has it, we're gonna get to see it. He went through a lot when he started in the NFL in terms of injury and some other distractions. Those things are gone. So it doesn't matter. You know, he has Joe Flacco, high volume passer at least the last couple years. They seem to get some things together towards the very end of the year. Last year, Josh Dockson, we've never seen him on the field well, but he has the opportunity. Thank you, Mike. I appreciate that. Correction. Yes. We really haven't seen him on the field. Where do you guys sit with this? I am, I'm going to go with Prashad Perryman myself. Oh.

[Jason Moore]

As of now, I see this as a really simple. You know, we talked about LeGarrett Blunt Gillislee being a risk versus reward situation. I see this as a talent versus opportunity. I think Josh Dockson is the more talented wide receiver and also I think he has the better quarterback. But the opportunity is clearly more in Prashad Perryman's favor right now. Now if Macklin were to go and sign or even Anquan Bolden, if Anquan Bolden goes and signs with the Ravens and now you've got an incoming threat for a lot of targets along with the outgoing, then that's similar to what Dachshund has, you know, with the incoming Terrell Pryor, but the outgoing assets in Deshaun Jackson and Pierre Garcon. So as of today, I would take Rashad Perryman because opportunity trumps talent and he's going to have the opportunity to show the talent he has. I like them coming out of college, but if the, if the opportunity changes there in Baltimore, which I expect it will, I think Josh Dockson's talent is. I mean he's phenomenal. He was my favorite. I guess it was Sterling Shepard and Josh Dockson last off season coming into the year as to who I really liked at wide receiver.

[Andy Holloway]

Both late first round picks, smaller schools. Rashad Perryman obviously a deep threat. We saw Tori Smith have effective fantasy seasons with Joe Flacco on the deep ball. Mike, where do you sit between these two? I think if I had to guess, I think you're going docs. I am.

[Mike Wright]

I lean Josh Docks and I love the combo of these two guys. It's a mirror situation. You said they're both first round picks, young, injury prone. Both teams have lost about 50% of their targets even though the raven side is a lot more targets. I think that the passing volume for the Ravens does come down a bit. But I'm going to go with Josh Stocks. I'm going to go with the. The better fantasy quarterback in Kirk Cousins. A just a greater touchdown opportunity to me for Josh Dockson.

[Jason Moore]

Does it bother you at all? What weren't there reports Andy, correct me if I'm wrong, that in OTAs the three wide set did not include Josh Dachshund. That he was basically being run as the fourth wide receiver.

[Mike Wright]

That would be news to me.

[Jason Moore]

Anybody else hear this? Sometimes I dream things. I'll vet that. But I'm pretty.

[Mike Wright]

It's already out there now.

[Jason Moore]

Well, yeah, I mean I was that.

[Mike Wright]

Reported by Jason Moore.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll move on. And you can go ahead and decide whether you really read that or you pretended to read that. Tyler Eifert, Jimmy Graham this or that. Tyler Ifert and Jimmy Graham both six round tight ends right now. Jimmy with the bounce back season. Tyler Ifert injury plagued season effective while he was on the field.

[Mike Wright]

Regular season for Tyler Iford.

[Andy Holloway]

What are you. What'd you say?

[Mike Wright]

You said it was injury play. Because I said it's just. That's a season.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, just a normal season. Look. Yeah, but it's hard to compare him to Jimmy Graham, who's been, you know, recovered from a major injury, a little bit older. I'm taking Tyler Ifert. I'm just going to go with the opportunity in a, you know, an offense that needs red zone targets. What Andy Dalton has with Ifert, and I'm not going to presume another injury with Ifert. I think the effectiveness in a point per game standpoint, Eifert was when he was on the field, point per, I believe it was. Target was above Gronkowski. So if he can be on the field, if he can stay healthy enough, and I do mean enough, I mean, 13 games, you can take three off if you want. Thirteen games, I'll take Tyler Ifert. I am.

[Mike Wright]

I have Eifert higher in my rankings, but it's. It's not a huge point discrepancy between Iford and Jimmy Graham. I know Jason has Jimmy Graham inverse of what I have. I want to hear Jason try and sway me into Jimmy Graham.

[Jason Moore]

Here's what I would say when it comes to Jimmy Graham versus Eifert, one of those players we have seen be a dominant fantasy force for years. Granted, it was with a different team, but we have now also seen him play with the Seahawks and be a true fantasy stud at the position. I mean, he was. He was a top six guy for most of the year as he trailed off for the second half of the year. I mean, if that's a conditioning issue coming off of the horrific injury he had, I completely understand it. I'm not faulting the guy. The fact that he could get back from that injury and recover says to me he's got a far more likely, you know, percentage chance of playing 16 games versus Tyler Ifert. Both of those guys have the same capability of scoring touchdowns. Maybe I give a slight edge to Eifert. The yards are very much to me in Graham's favor. But if you look at the likelihood of Those guys playing 16 games, it's to me, it's not even close. It's, you know, a 9010 in favor of Jimmy Graham. So if I'm on the clock and those two guys are there and I want a tight end, which I probably won't, but if I do, I'm going the safer route because I don't see the ceiling that far apart. If both of these guys hit Tyler, I have.

[Andy Holloway]

It's still hurt right now.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

That is keeping it consistent.

[Jason Moore]

Also to update, it does appear so. This dachshund was sat off, sat out the second Half of practice the other day it had quote, nothing to do with the injury history. So he just wasn't there in the team drills for part of that session on the 31st. So take it for whatever you want.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I'll take it. I'm not part of that hype train. Never have been. All right. Brandon Marshall versus Kelvin Benjamin. Brandon Marshall. Kelvin Benjamin. This one for me in my rankings it's a no brainer. It's Brandon Marshall by a lot.

[Mike Wright]

Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

A lot. By a lot. I am low on Kelvin Benjamin. You guys have him in your 20s. I got him down, I believe near the 40, 38, 37 range. It didn't help. Like that was his ranking before I knew he was overweight, before I watched him run or out like an offensive lineman. To me the volume and consistency of Kelvin Benjamin, I don't even want to deal with that. I don't even want to think about it. I know targets are going to be there for Brandon Marshall. I do. The targets will be there. So for me it's Brandon Marshall. It's the, you know, the talent gap between these two players even now is massive to me. And so from a, from those two perspectives, is Kelvin Benjamin going to give a fantasy owner a three touchdown game this year? I think he probably will. He'll probably do it. I don't know which game that's going to be and I'm going to start him eight times and be upset. I did. That's my perspective on those two. Yeah, I know you moved Kelvin up.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, they're actually, they're very close. I have Marshall slightly ahead. I just, Kelvin was too low in my rankings for what he did last year. I'm just not as confident as you are that Brandon Marshall is going to get the targets. I went back the past three years looking at the, the number two for the giants 2014. It was good old Rube's personal favorite of mine, 127 targets. And Donnell. Larry Donnell, the third option had 92 targets. 2015, Ruben Randle, 90 targets. Shane Vereen had 81. And last year Sterling shepherd, the rookie had 105. And then you had Cruz behind him. I don't know. It's, I don't know that the targets for Shepard are just going to evaporate and turn into Brandon Marshall target. So I don't know that he will get the volume he can. It's going to be touchdowns for Brandon Marshall. Meanwhile, Kelvin Benjamin should still be the wide receiver one on that team. I know he had, he had Lulz And I've not been the biggest Kelvin supporter, but weeks five through 11, he did average 70 yards per per game and he finished strong. Those gaps are bizarre though, when he just absolutely vanishes when the wide receiver won from a team just vanishes. So I don't blame you for going with Brandon Marshall. I, I'm starting to lean Kelvin even though Brandon Marshall is just slightly ahead of my rankings.

[Jason Moore]

I lean Kelvin, but I don't like either one of these guys. I mean, I, you know, you talk about, okay, upside, at least Kelvin to me is the clear one for the team. The market share will be there for Kelvin. I'm not worried about devin funches. Christian McCaffrey obviously will come in and do some passing.

[Mike Wright]

Did you just say something negative about Devin Funches?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I mean, look, I say I'm not scared about Devin Funches, but I also like Devin Funches. That's for another time. Kelvin Benjamin has performed before. I mean, he's one of, you know, the very rare rookie wide receivers to finish as wide receiver. 1. He'll get the volume, he'll get the touchdown opportunities. I'm more, I'm more confident in his opportunity than Brandon Marshalls. Now I, I think Brandon Marshall's on the way down, but I still like Brandon Marshall's talent far more than the dump truck that we saw in OTAs jogging these routes. I mean, if you haven't seen Kelvin Benjamin at OTAS yet, you got to do yourself a fav favor and go to Mr. Google and say, help me find fat Kelvin Benjamin. It looks so. I mean, I think if I ran a route, it's exactly what I would look like.

[Mike Wright]

I've seen you run routes.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, I look terrible, so I don't really love either of these guys.

[Mike Wright]

Andy, you quarterbacked for Jason Moore.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Grade the routes. You saw the Kelvin route. You've seen Jason run routes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he runs a route like a power forward. He runs the Charles Barkley route. He can box him out, he can bring it in and then you. He just needs to get downhill momentum.

[Jason Moore]

See, and that's what I think Kelvin Benjamin is. He's a power forward. He's just a box out guy which works around the rest of the.

[Andy Holloway]

Perfect for. He's perfect for Cam Newton because Cam Newton can rear back and fire as fast and as wide a catch radius as possible. And Kelvin, you know, he'll catch a few.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, I don't like him. Look, last year was disappointing. Now you add Christian McCaffrey and Curtis.

[Mike Wright]

Samuel was last Year really disappointed for Kelvin Benjamin or was it last year disappointing because of the first two weeks that Kelvin Benjamin gave fantasy.

[Andy Holloway]

All of the above. All of the above. It was certainly disappointing anybody who went and traded for him as a one.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah. Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

But it was disappointing for all fantasy owners who wanted to see a step forward. We projected before the injury, the year before. Look, Kelvin Benjamin is three years removed from his rookie season. Right. This is going into year four. So he had, he missed an entire season with the acl. Came out last year, was somewhat inconsistent, comes out this year, at least right now he's dealing with conditioning and weight issues. And if you remember when he was drafted, the concern about him was does he want to play football very badly?

[Jason Moore]

All right, here's my. I'm changing my answer. I'm, I'm going Brandon Marshall, because look, after those first two weeks, do you want to know what Calvin Benjamin's 16 game pace was for week three on. So I mean, this is a huge sample.

[Mike Wright]

That was the goose egg, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Similar to your pace last season.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So it's 57 receptions for 848 yards and five touchdowns. Now, could he do better? Obviously. But what we see in him right now, like, I still have to trust my eyeballs and what he looks like and how he's come into camp and I'm not, I can't look at that and go, you know what, he's going to really step it up from last year. I have reason to believe that. I don't.

[Andy Holloway]

He comes into camp. He comes into camp. He may be the WR one, but they write him down as two wr. That's his actual. He's two. All right, we're going to answer some mailbag questions. We'll go over the clock today. Let's do it.

[Jason Moore]

Mailbag. Mailbag.

[Andy Holloway]

You think if you drag and drop them into your ESPN lineup, up, he fills both slots? No.

[Mike Wright]

You guys are savages right now. Poor Kelvin.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, it bugs me when we make jokes, right? We make jokes about Eddie Lacey and Calvin Benjamin. The jokes are there not because, you know, want to make light of somebody overweight or something like that. You have an to me with the NFL, you have an opportunity to do something 0.01% of anybody on earth gets to do. And you take the off season off and you don't care. And it bugs me as a competitor and as a player. That's the only reason why those things and you know, it's your job that.

[Jason Moore]

You'Re being paid millions of dollars to do.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

It's not just, hey, look at you, you're ugly.

[Andy Holloway]

And it's hard look. Right. That's true. And it's hard. When you watch the shows, like, what am I thinking of here?

[Mike Wright]

When you watch I like the Hard Knocks.

[Andy Holloway]

Sorry. Yes, Hard Knocks. When you watch Hard Knocks and you see the wide receiver, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, trying to make the team, and you know they can't make the team over Kelvin Benjamin, but they're the ones working. I don't know. Just bugs me. It's under my skin.

[Mike Wright]

That's fair.

[Andy Holloway]

At least today it does. All right, mailbag, let's jump in here. If you want to send a question into the podcast, go to the Fantasy footballers dot com, click the Submit a question button or leave us a voicemail hotline. 302464, TFFB we're going to answer a voicemail question to start off this segment right now. And my question is, you guys seem like you would know each other extremely.

[Jason Moore]

Well doing the show together, knowing each other's rankings and everything.

[Andy Holloway]

How difficult does that make it to draft against each other? Thanks, guys. Love the show. It's super annoying. Yeah, it's super annoying because in a draft, one of the fun pieces in a draft is whether players will slide to you in an unexpected way and you get to steal them. And I know that when I draft against these two gentlemen, I most likely will not get to steal the player unless their name is Todd Gurley.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah, yeah, Steal away. That's not stealing.

[Jason Moore]

I would say that the more you know the other players, the less difficult it gets. Now, in our league, what you're alluding to is absolutely true because the league knows us far better than we know the entirety of the league because they listen to the podcast, they've got our rankings. We're not like putting out our own personal rankings in my closet and then the public rankings to everyone else. But I do know when I've gone into a draft, the more I know the other players. Like when I do mock drafts that aren't using software, I just use a doc and I mock draft. I try to draft who I think you would draft and who I think Andy would draft. And it ends up very helpful because I realize who's not going to drop to me. And I think it, I think my, what I'm saying here is get to know your league mates better and who they like and who they don't like. It won't make it more difficult. It'll make it far easier.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, it won't make it more difficult to predict, but it'll make it harder for players to fall to you maybe.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

When you guys, at least for me, I know you guys aren't going to let somebody that we all agree is really good get to me.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, don't share your opinions, just get theirs.

[Mike Wright]

And things like sleepers and breakouts, it makes it a little riskier for those guys because we have to reach. I mean you, you have your normal. Okay, I'm going to reach a round or two for this guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Well, now I know that these clowns.

[Andy Holloway]

John Brown over here is going to be round four.

[Mike Wright]

John Brown.

[Andy Holloway]

That's right.

[Jason Moore]

Nuts.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, here's a question that came in from Josh. How to sell PPR to your league. Hey guys, thanks for taking the time to read this. Wondering if you had any suggestions for selling PPR format to a 14 man, 14 year old league. You can see the roster format there. Pretty standard. Only one running back.

[Mike Wright]

That's going to be tough.

[Jason Moore]

Good advice because of the age of the league.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, there's going to be a lot of lawns that people don't like you stepping on.

[Andy Holloway]

I look, you get some ammo. With ESPN changing their league format, their default league format, it's the new standard ppr.

[Mike Wright]

Don't, don't even. Here's what you do. I know we normally say you got to vote on everything, but you just, it's standard. You didn't change it. This is standard scoring.

[Jason Moore]

Well, it's a great year to actually bring it up. I wouldn't auto change, but just say, hey everybody, ESPN has changed what their standard league is. I think we should follow what it is because these are what they make their rankings on. You know, use, use that as kind of an opportunity to talk about this to your league mate and say this is the new normal. If you want other more practical advice, I would just point out, like look at a tight end who gets one, you know, 18 yard touchdown and he ends up scoring. What? That'd be 7.8 points. But if you got a guy who, you know, went 10 catches for, you know, 69 yards and was super involved in the game, he scores less points. That's just silly. Now I think PPR is too far. We like half point, but it's better than standard.

[Mike Wright]

Ask your friends if they still use flip phones.

[Andy Holloway]

I was gonna say the Model T. Are they cruising up?

[Jason Moore]

They say yes though, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

That's what I'm saying is if they.

[Andy Holloway]

Say yes, you say standard league it is. I'm finding another. I'M gonna go to foot clan leagues and do that. All right. Voicemail question. Another one came in. Oh, wow. Long one.

[D]

Hey, guys, my name is Tiffany and I'm from Orlando. So Bonjourno. I was just calling because I want to tell you number one, awesome job with the Ultimate. I love it. I am kind of intrigued about the tier rankings that you have and I was wondering if you could speak to how to. How to draft with the tiers. I'm especially interested because my league is a little unique in that we have to start one quarterback, one tight end, but then we have five positions that are all flex and you can do an additional tight end and you could do. I think, I think it's limited to an additional tight end, but then you can do four wide receivers or four running backs. You can mix and match. So I was kind of curious as to with the tier drafting, if that is relevant or as important when you have a five flex option like what I have, or if you just want to go for best available. So thank you so much. I love you guys. I've been listening to you for over a year now. You rock. So keep up the good work. Bye bye.

[Mike Wright]

Bon journo. Indeed.

[Andy Holloway]

We're moving into the States. If you're on a coastal city, you now get a Bonjourno. That's a tough question, I think because your league is very unique.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I would say the more flex spots, the more important, I would argue, the more important that the tier rankings.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, the problem being that our tiers are broken down by position. You don't have a flex tier breakdown inside of the UDK in the sense that if that's how she's trying to view it, you know, how do you know is a third tier wide receiver as important as a second tier running back or that's what the confusion would be to me if I was in a league of that format, because I'm not trying to fill those spots. But you're still trying to get the best available player. And so I think you can still follow that format. And obviously if there's a great, you know, second tier running back sitting on the board, but you still have a lot of wide receivers at a certain tier available, that makes the decision.

[Mike Wright]

My initial reaction for this league is running backs are not nearly as important. I mean, you have, obviously the top three running backs give you a huge advantage.

[Andy Holloway]

There's no more positional.

[Mike Wright]

Right. The scarcity goes away. Supply and demand is gone. So if this is a half or even a full point ppr, I Mean, I'm loading up on wide receivers.

[Jason Moore]

What I would say, which is just valuable for people to know, I think, if they're not aware of this, is that the top end running backs, the best running backs in fantasy football, usually year after year, they outscore the top end wide receivers. So if you can get one of those elite running backs, they're worth the most. But once you get to about the running back 24 and the wide receiver 24, once you get in that range, wide receivers score more than their counterpart at running back. So, you know, I would try to get one of those stud running backs and then focus on wide receivers as you go deeper because you're not going to be able to play the running back 36 and get points, but you could play the wide receiver 48 and probably outscore Kelvin Benjamin. You get those touchdown lobs.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, that is it for today's show. By the way. We are going to be giving away a ton of stuff this offseason, whether these two like it or not. I'm just grabbing stuff.

[Jason Moore]

Wait.

[Andy Holloway]

And sending it off in the mail.

[Mike Wright]

I don't like it.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you notice you don't have a mouse?

[Mike Wright]

I love it.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you love it? Yes. Yeah, you didn't know. I mailed your mouse away. I autographed your mouse and I sent it off.

[Mike Wright]

That true.

[Andy Holloway]

Amazing keyboard only it's gonna be a slow year. No, we're gonna give away a ton of autographed gear. Right [e-mail] we're giving away a Carlos Hyde jersey.

[Mike Wright]

I still believe.

[Andy Holloway]

And so we were talking today that maybe after football, Carlos Hyde will come out with an app.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, that's true. We were. We were discussing.

[Jason Moore]

Jason, you missed this discussion, but enlighten me.

[Andy Holloway]

It's like a GPS oriented app and you. It's got all the local urgent cares.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's got them on review. So he's letting people know.

[Andy Holloway]

It's like the yelp for injuries.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Just called hide. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I like it. Yeah, no, it's solid. No, we're giving away a Carlos High jersey. Obviously you won it and after that endorsement, but we're going to give away some more. We just did a Lev Bell Jersey giveaway on jointhefoot.com so you can get involved over there as well. I saw another question from Keith in Texas come in. He says, do you guys have your ranked rookies anywhere? Yeah, we do. They're in the ultimate draft kit. Ultimate Draft Kit.com youm can check out the Dynasty Ish rookie rankings over there. And we'll be back on Thursday with more good stuff. You guys have any parting words for the listeners?

[Jason Moore]

I love you. Okay, that's not that. Hey.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, True Harding. Bon voyage.

[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

Goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

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