Forgotten Players + GRONK'S Smashing Career

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary
Episode: Forgotten Players + Gronk's Smashing Career
Release Date: March 26, 2019

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Introduction

In this episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright delve into the world of fantasy football with a focus on forgotten players making pivotal comebacks and a retrospective on Rob Gronkowski's illustrious career. The trio provides insightful analysis, strong opinions, and actionable advice to help listeners dominate their fantasy leagues.

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Rob Gronkowski’s Retirement and Legacy

The episode kicks off with a comprehensive discussion about Rob Gronkowski's retirement and his standing as potentially the best tight end in fantasy football history.

• Jason Moore asserts, “…in the fantasy realm in which case... [Gronk]’s the best” (04:21).
• Andy Holloway concurs, highlighting Gronk’s dominance compared to other legendary tight ends: “Gronk was dominant to a degree that looks the peak of Antonio Gates, the peak of Jimmy Graham” (04:44).
• Brooks emphasizes Gronk’s exceptional impact when healthy: “If I could have any tight end at the peak of their career for one game... I don’t know how you would not pick Rob Gronkowski” (05:28).

Despite concerns about Gronk’s longevity and injury history, the hosts agree that his peak performance makes him an unparalleled asset in fantasy football during his prime years.

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League News and Updates

The hosts transition into recent news affecting various NFL teams and their fantasy implications.

• Jared Cook's Potential Move: There's speculation about Jared Cook signing with the New Orleans Saints, which could impact Drew Brees’ offense: “Despite the retirement, the current reports are that Jared Cook will indeed sign with the New Orleans Saints” (07:04).

• Rams Re-Sign Malcolm Brown: The St. Louis Rams have matched an offer to re-sign Malcolm Brown, returning him to the team: “The Rams matched the offer to Malcolm Brown” (07:35). However, C.J. Anderson is unlikely to re-sign, leaving Brown’s contract to influence future roster decisions.

• 49ers Running Back Situation: There’s uncertainty surrounding Jerick McKinnon’s role with the San Francisco 49ers, as the team explores a balanced approach with multiple running backs: “John Lynch, GM of the 49ers, says Jerick McKinnon will remain with the 49ers” (08:23).

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Forgotten Players Returning from Injury

A significant portion of the episode focuses on forgotten players—those who had down years due to injuries but are poised for a resurgence.

Wide Receivers

1. A.J. Green:

   • Jason Moore addresses Green’s injuries last season and his potential revival: “A.J. Green played nine games last year. Hurt his hip, his groin... Week 13 he had turf toe and was out for the season” (15:04).
   • Andy Holloway expresses optimism about Green’s return: “He is, he is... foot problems that sometimes have a recurrence” (16:33).
   • Brooks argues for Green’s value despite his injury history: “AJ Green was good” (17:44).

2. Cooper Kupp:

   • Jason Moore discusses Kupp’s impressive performance despite an ACL tear: “Cooper Kupp made more of a difference to that offense than I think we all understood” (22:02).
   • Andy Holloway views Kupp as a high-value pick: “I'm willing to buy Cooper Kupp wherever he falls in your draft” (24:46).

3. Marvin Jones:

   • Brooks evaluates Marvin Jones’ prospects, balancing his age and inconsistent usage: “Marvin Jones is still six-two, still... six touchdowns in eight games” (27:00).
   • Jason Moore suggests Jones may be underdrafted: “I don’t think you’re going to have three or four weeks where you can’t play Cooper Kupp” (29:06).

4. Will Fuller and Kiki QT:

   • Jason Moore analyzes Fuller’s injury risks and potential upside: “Will Fuller has big time upside as that slot guy” (30:08).
   • Andy Holloway prefers Fuller over Marvin Jones despite the injury concerns: “I'd rather take a guy like Will Fuller than a guy like Marvin Jones” (31:24).

Running Backs

1. Devonta Freeman:

   • Jason Moore highlights Freeman’s potential despite recent downturns: “Devonta Freeman... opportunity is too good for Devonta Freeman” (43:58).
   • Andy Holloway emphasizes Freeman’s central role in his team’s offense: “He is clearly their main guy” (42:49).
   • Brooks counters concerns about his decreasing stats with optimism about his role: “The opportunity is too good for Devonta Freeman to pass on him” (44:26).

2. Ronald Jones and Jay Ajayi:

   • Brooks prefers Ronald Jones over Jay Ajayi despite concerns about Jones potentially becoming a bust: “I'm going to take him over Jay Ajayi” (45:15).
   • Jason Moore remains uncertain, indicating a split opinion on who to prefer between the two: “I don’t know if I’m going to take him over Jay Ajayi” (45:27).

Tight Ends

1. O.J. Howard:

   • Jason Moore touts Howard as the best forgotten tight end to watch: “O.J. Howard... led all the tight ends in the NFL in yards per reception” (53:20).
   • Brooks notes the discrepancy between Howard’s potential and his current team’s usage: “What we expect O.J. Howard to be in the NFL... is not the type of usage that Bruce Arians uses his tight end” (53:52).

2. Delaney Walker and Jonu Smith:

   • Both players are considered risky due to inconsistent performances and injury histories: “Jonu Smith was so disappointing” (50:55).
   • Brooks expresses hesitation, highlighting their minimal contributions and high injury risks: “I am very hesitant about them” (50:57).

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Quarterbacks

The discussion shifts to quarterbacks who have had turbulent seasons or face uncertain futures.

1. Jimmy Garoppolo:

   • Andy Holloway sees potential growth for Garoppolo, especially with an upgraded offense: “Garoppolo is shaping up to be one of my favorite quarterback targets late in drafts” (10:16).
   • Brooks suggests drafting Garoppolo could offer significant upside: “He can easily be a top 12, potentially a top 10 guy with some upside” (11:11).

2. Cam Newton and Andy Dalton:

   • Jason Moore and Andy Holloway express doubts about Cam Newton's immediate return due to shoulder injuries, while Andy Dalton is seen as a streaming option rather than a primary draft pick: “He’s not going to play a snap in the NFL again” (47:02).
   • Brooks remains cautiously optimistic about Dalton’s role: “With offensive coaching coming into town, maybe they open it up a bit” (49:32).

3. Alex Smith:

   • Jason Moore and Andy Holloway discuss Smith’s severe injury and the likelihood of him not returning to play: “He will be forgotten” (47:08).

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Additional Player Insights

The hosts briefly touch upon other wide receivers and running backs, providing their perspectives on players like Albert Wilson, Marquise Goodwin, and Geronimo Allison.

• Marquise Goodwin is viewed skeptically due to his injury history: “I just don’t see Goodwin as an NFL wide receiver that can stay out there” (35:58).

• Geronimo Allison is acknowledged as an opportunity but remains low on the priority list: “Opportunity for him to be kind of like in a different tier” (34:05).

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Final Thoughts and Community Engagement

Wrapping up the episode, the hosts encourage listeners to engage with their community and provide final anecdotes about their fantasy teams.

• Jason Moore highlights his own dynasty team’s strength, attracting playful ribbing from his co-hosts: “You’re diving in for that Derrick Johnson and Marvin Jones value” (55:49).

• Andy Holloway shares pride in his own team’s composition, particularly his investment in players like Allen Robinson: “I am super proud to have Allen Robinson be my fourth wide receiver” (56:38).

Listeners are invited to join their fantasy football community at JoinTheFoot.com and follow them on Twitter @theFFBallers.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Jason Moore: “I don’t think you’re going to have three or four weeks where you can’t play Cooper Kupp” (29:06).

• Andy Holloway: “He just dominates the game in all facets” (05:03).

• Brooks: “The opportunity is too good for Devonta Freeman to pass on him” (44:26).

• Jason Moore: “Overall, [Rob Gronkowski] is the best tight end in the fantasy realm” (04:23).

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Conclusion

This episode of the Fantasy Footballers provides a deep dive into players who have been overlooked due to injuries but hold significant potential for the upcoming fantasy football season. From A.J. Green’s promising return to the strategic value of Cooper Kupp and insights into quarterbacks like Garoppolo, the hosts equip listeners with the knowledge to make informed decisions and capitalize on undervalued assets. Additionally, the heartfelt tribute to Rob Gronkowski’s career adds a nostalgic touch, celebrating one of fantasy football’s most iconic players.

For more expert analysis and community discussions, join the Fantasy Footballers at JoinTheFoot.com and follow @theFFBallers on Twitter.

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Note: The timestamps correspond to the transcript provided and may assist in locating specific discussions within the episode.

Transcript

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from pristineauction.com studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Ah, welcome in.

[Andy Holloway]

Happy birthday. Hey, Andy.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

You're welcome.

[Brooks]

Why did you transform into Eeyore?

[Andy Holloway]

My. My wife always does a happy birthday. I think that's from something.

[Jason Moore]

It is from something.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't have a clue what it's from other than my wife.

[Jason Moore]

I don't remember where that's from.

[Andy Holloway]

My wife, Brooks.

[Jason Moore]

Do you remember?

[Brooks]

Do you know how much I held back on that?

[Jason Moore]

Welcome in to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Little known fact, you. You do a lot for the conservation of our water, the species and water. All those things. When you get the udk.

[Brooks]

Oh, yeah, right, totally.

[Jason Moore]

You could hear the birds chirping.

[Brooks]

Well, because it's a digital product, so you save trees.

[Jason Moore]

That's right. We don't use any paper.

[Andy Holloway]

No more magazines.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, save the.

[Brooks]

Save the Earth, save the magazines.

[Jason Moore]

Wait, that was a live clip from. I think it was Planet Earth 3.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Soon to be released.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, soon to be released. Welcome into the Fantasy Footballers. We've got a great show today. Some news, some notes and some forgotten players that is the focus of today's show. Looking at some players that maybe had down years due to injury that have been forgotten and ignored. Maybe you haven't been actively pursuing them in your leagues, but you should remember them. And that's what we're going to do. We're going to help you remember them today.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, every year there are a couple players that stick out. You know that man, you just kind of forgot about and they came back and they were really helpful for fantasy. So we're going to take a look at all the guys that kind of went away. You might forget about how they did and we're.

[Brooks]

Well, you forget. You forget because when you're cruising the end of season standings. You're looking at who are the top 20 running backs, top 20 wide receivers. These players won't show up because they did not have enough games to get to the top.

[Andy Holloway]

And for some of them I think will cast a negative verdict of maybe we don't believe that they're going to do well, but you know, others, it's really a matter of making sure that they don't drop too far in your own.

[Brooks]

Remember to dislike them.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

Twitter @ the FF Ballers. You can follow the show over there. Follow Mike Fhitman, follow jasonffl. I'm at Andy Holloway. JoinTheFoot.com is the community for our listeners. There's over 5,000 of you over there. They get an extra episode every week. So check it out. Here's a question brought on by some recent news. 29 year old Rob Gronkowski has announced that his time has come. He is hearing from the NFL. Is he the best tight end of all time?

[Brooks]

It's a loaded question.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I prefer to answer it only in the fantasy realm in which case. Oh, that's answer is yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean for sure. Honestly, I think you could answer it yes. And either I want to make a Mike Ditka joke, you know, because obviously he'd win in a fight as a better tight end. But fantasy is the only thing that really matters. Gronk was dominant to a degree that look the peak of Antonio Gates, the peak of Jimmy Graham.

[Jason Moore]

Tony Gonzalez.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I feel like Tony Gonzalez standing sharp. Things weren't as high. Yeah, Whitten was great but Gronk was.

[Jason Moore]

More of a force than anyone was when he was at the top of his game. And he averaged.269 touchdowns per very Gronkian game.

[Brooks]

It is the way I break down the question because he doesn't have the longevity that Tony Gonzalez or Jason Whitten. He doesn't have that his body started to break down. But the way I'm looking at this question, if you could have any tight end at the peak of their career for one game because they are the best. I don't know how you would not pick Rob Gronkowski.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I mean you know, he's, he's heralded because of his past, catching his touchdowns, but he's an unbelievable run block. He just dominated the game in all facets. And if you were to tell me pick a career so not just peak year for one year, who would you pick? But if I could have, you know, Gronks, what do you have nine, 10 years in the league versus the longer career of a Jason Whitten or Tony Gonzalez. I would take Gronk. Gronk helps you win championships. Helps you nine. Completely destroy the defense.

[Jason Moore]

Nine seasons in the NFL did not play a full 16 games except for one season in 2011. That was it. During that season he was targeted 124 times, 90 receptions, 1,327 yards, 17 touchdowns.

[Brooks]

Bananas. You do yourself a favor because they're going around right now on the Twitter sphere. Go watch Rob Gronkowski highlights so you can wash your mouth of last year when you saw him on the field. That was. That was not the Gronk that you're used to watching. Go relive his glory days and go, oh, yes, that's the guy who I thought I was drafting last year who just dominates.

[Jason Moore]

Fair enough. Goodbye, Rob Gronkowski.

[Brooks]

Yeah, see you, buddy.

[Jason Moore]

Glad I traded for Vance McDonald in my dynasty. League.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league presented by Sleeper.

[Jason Moore]

Despite the retirement, the current reports are that Jared Cook will indeed sign with the New Orleans Saints. Giving Drew Brees a.

[Brooks]

Is that still a report of will.

[Jason Moore]

Sign as of this recording Monday, March 25th because that had not signed with the Saints.

[Brooks]

That was breaking news over the weekend that Jared Cook had. Was signing.

[Andy Holloway]

I keep waiting for the official signing.

[Brooks]

Was taking so long.

[Jason Moore]

He insists on one of those really big feather pins and they don't have them. So he's waiting for him to bring him one that you dip into the ink.

[Brooks]

Yeah. And then you need an octopus.

[Jason Moore]

An octopus.

[Andy Holloway]

You need to manufacture the ink to get the ink.

[Brooks]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Do people write an octopus ink?

[Brooks]

That's. It's only the classiest authors do.

[Jason Moore]

Really?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Brooks]

Steinbeck was a huge proponent of octopus.

[Jason Moore]

I had no idea.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

The Rams matched the offer to Malcolm Brown.

[Brooks]

Stupid Rams.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And sign him to a two year deal. And so he returns to the Rams. And C.J. anderson doesn't expect to resign with the Rams.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. He'll. He'll be on the open market which has been very cold for him. So I don't expect great things there. It's also bad news for Carry on Johnson in case now that Malcolm Brown doesn't come in, maybe they look higher.

[Brooks]

Anderson's going to go get that Malcolm Brown contract from Detroit.

[Andy Holloway]

He certainly could.

[Jason Moore]

John Lynch, GM of the 49ers says Jerick McKinnon will remain with the 49ers.

[Andy Holloway]

I think that was the original expectation. Right. The first Freeman and Tevin Coleman roll. But now they, you know, there's there's four guys there and that's a murky situation I don't think fantasy owners want a part of.

[Jason Moore]

So if you look back to last year and the success Matt Burrida has, I think it's wrong of fantasy owners to presume Jerick McKinnon is the starter on that team. I do not think that is a foregone conclusion by any stretch of the imagination. And a lot of people in San Francisco believe Matt Burrida will be the starter of that team and Tevin Coleman and Jerick McKinnon will split that secondary work. That's what I've been reading. That's what I've been hearing. Matt Burrida was over five a touch last year. They like him. And you're not just necessarily going to give first and second down work to Jerick McKinnon just because you paid him money in the past because they could have cut him.

[Brooks]

I think it's just going to be everybody and now it'll be they've gone, they've gone the route of usually teams have a change of pace. Running back, you have guys who have very different styles, but they complement each other. You got the got Derek Henry, you got Dion Lewis and that's not what the 49ers are doing. They want the exact same player to come in for running back and we'll see how it works. But I think all four of those guys will be playing. And this is. It's good, right? I think it's a strong move. It's a smart move for San Francisco, the football team.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Brooks]

But for fantasy purposes, it. You have absolutely evaporated four players who could be helping your fantasy team.

[Andy Holloway]

I've always felt like it was dumb to have the like big bruiser or the pass catcher. And those are the only two things they do is like who. Who's in the game right now?

[Brooks]

You're telling me, Jason, you're telling me that old school NFL mentality has. Has some cracks in it, I think.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, a little bit. Maybe the new misdirection, the guys on the field, you don't know what he's going to do because he can do everything is the better route.

[Jason Moore]

I worry that people will swing the pendulum too far. What does it for that offense. Right. You didn't. You didn't end up with Odell Beckham Jr. Traded to San Francisco. You didn't end up with Antonio Brown traded to San Francisco. Jimmy Garoppolo coming off the injury. Four competent running backs in the system that produces great numbers for them. Last Year. Look, I don't blame him because last year everybody got hurt. They needed to turn to somebody new at every. At a moment's notice. But what does this say to the offense? You got four competent running backs. Jimmy Garoppolo. Where do you see Garoppolo this year? Is this an offense that will be entirely predicated on the run and those running backs?

[Brooks]

No, not, not the run. I mean, why they're so great, why you have all these running backs? They're all great pass catching running backs. None of them are the bruisers. So if anything, if we're talking what the offense, it helps. Garoppolo. Garoppolo is going to be. At this point, he's shaping up to be one of my favorite quarterback targets late in drafts because I think he can easily be a top 12, potentially a top 10 guy with some upside on a weekly basis because of the Kyle Shanahan system. But last year he was just going too high. I mean, people fell in love. Look, I get it. You look at his face, you fall in love. He's so handsome. But now he's going to be a fair price in your draft. And I'll be interested, assuming I see Jimmy Garoppolo out there doing things. Coming off the ACL tear, let me.

[Jason Moore]

Say, I want, you know, as beautiful a man as he is, I want to get a glance at that acl. Yeah, I want to make sure that that acl, I want that thing pristine. All right. Okay. This is official. Jeremy Macklin, the dirty cake himself, has announced his retirement.

[Brooks]

Are we in a time machine?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I was going to say years.

[Jason Moore]

Ago, Malcolm Mitchell, retired free agent wide receiver.

[Brooks]

That's unfortunate.

[Jason Moore]

10 knee surgeries.

[Andy Holloway]

Is that the actual number or are you being hyperbolic?

[Jason Moore]

That is the actual number that I read.

[Brooks]

And you've been like, did you guys follow Malcolm Mitchell?

[Jason Moore]

Did you go back and just not do any of them? Then if you could, like, in hindsight, he never played again. Right. So would you go back and like, I mean, no, keep it down to two or three.

[Brooks]

I mean, he made some money. But do you guys know. Are you aware of Malcolm Mitchell's story of like.

[Jason Moore]

I know he's a writer.

[Brooks]

Well, he headed into college, was reading at like a third grade level going into college and then worked his butt off is like, he's in this reading group which was. That was highlighted on Monday Night Football or something. But it's just, it's. This is really sad for me seeing what. Because I thought Malcolm Mitchell could be a great player. But he was also a great off the field story in a world where we don't frequently get those types of players. So goodbye, Malcolm Mitchell. I'm sorry to see you go so young.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, well, he should have a good post. NFL career, hopefully published author. That. That whole story is basically Jason's story, minus the author in the reading group.

[Andy Holloway]

Part and thankfully the knee surgery part.

[Jason Moore]

The Raiders GM Mike Mayock said Marshawn lynch will make a decision about his future following.

[Brooks]

What a jerk.

[Jason Moore]

The draft. Following the draft.

[Brooks]

Oh, Marshawn, that's.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Does he want to see how committed they are to him?

[Brooks]

I guess that's a. Marshawn, that's not fair to the team.

[Jason Moore]

I, you know, I don't know why that is. I don't know why you wouldn't be able to tell him, I don't know before the draft.

[Brooks]

Because he's. Marshawn does what he wants.

[Jason Moore]

Any other news, guys?

[Brooks]

Not for me.

[Jason Moore]

All right, that was today's news and notes brought to you by Sleeper during the offseason. Now's the time to ask your commission if you're using the right platform. Check out Sleeper. We hear from tons of you guys every day that start new leagues over on the Sleeper platform. All right, main event time. I'm fine.

[Brooks]

Totally fine.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know why it's coming out.

[Brooks]

All loud and squeaky. Cause really, I'm fine.

[Jason Moore]

All right. We're talking about forgotten players coming back from injury.

[Brooks]

They're fine.

[Jason Moore]

Well, they insist it. I would not draft Gronk coming off of a banged up year.

[Brooks]

Coming. Coming off of retirement.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, coming off of retirement.

[Andy Holloway]

Now, in fairness, if you don't want to draft Gronk coming off a banged up, banged up year, that means you wouldn't have wanted to draft him ever. Ever.

[Jason Moore]

You know, man, really wish I would have traded him a week ago.

[Brooks]

I tried to tell you. I finally got one of these retirements, right? Yeah, finally.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. All right, let's start at the wide receiver position. That intro to this segment, I think it sums up my feelings on this next guy. AJ Green played nine games last year. Hurt his hip, his groin. Week three was the week the injury happened. Week eight, nine, he had a right toe injury. He had turf toe in week 13. That's when he was out for the season. That's the triple threat by way of injury. What do we think about A.J. green coming back? Because look, he and Julio Jones, right, they came out the same year, right? And so they've had these parallel type of careers. And here's Julio Jones who by the way is on the precipice of signing the what, the highest paying wide receiver contract in football.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. It's rumored to be north of 50 million guaranteed four or five years. To me, the situation, they came out same year, very similar style of players, same age, but the tale of two different stories at this point in their career. I literally in our dynasty league just traded AJ Green plus a couple of other guys to upgrade to Julio Jones. I'm worried about A.J. green. He is, he is.

[Brooks]

Short term or long term?

[Andy Holloway]

More. More long term. But I see some worries with, you know, he. The foot problems that he has are foot problems that sometimes have, you know, a reoccurrence. And so that worries me. Right. Like this season he's up there in age and he's coming off. He just got the boot off. Like this was great news a week or two ago. He got the boot off.

[Jason Moore]

That's just the boot off of your team is what you mean.

[Andy Holloway]

He did get. He got both boots off and that's just not what I want.

[Brooks]

Brooks, you're gonna allow that?

[Andy Holloway]

Brooks love.

[Brooks]

Oh yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I'm cracking up over here, man.

[Brooks]

My goodness.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, what a.

[Brooks]

It's the birthday. That's the birthday bonus over there.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the birthday bump now. So I'm a little bit concerned. Look, on a per game basis when he's out there, I think he's going to be great because he usually is.

[Brooks]

Look back what he did. The only game that was bad for AJ Green, Week three went not really that bad. When he got hurt and he was still like for a guy who got hurt, you were. Took your eight points and you took the lumps. And then week 13 when he tried to come back and couldn't. Other than that, A.J. green was good.

[Andy Holloway]

Now he gets an upgraded offense. You could argue, you know, Marvin Lewis out of the way. They've got offensive minded people coming in. AJ Green has talked about how they're going back to the system that he had when it was like Gruden and AJ Green dominated. So there is a case to be made that he is, you know, just a top guy slipping in drafts right now who'll be a top five wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

It was the same case as last year as well. I mean last year we, we made a similar case. He only had 1,000 yards, 75 receptions. The year before was only 10 games played. So we've seen three of the last, I don't know, five years he's not played 16. That's been the concern and the problem also a slight lack of confidence in Andy Dalton in the offense and different pieces and what they're going to do. Matthew Betts, one of our writers, he talked about surgery to repair torn ligaments in the foot. There's a good chance of recurring issues. He doesn't feel confident with him playing 16 games, but when he was in, like you said, 78% of his games were good games. Posted the third best contested catch rate among wide receivers. Last year, he's this. He was the same old AJ Green when he's on the field, but I don't know, he has a little bit of. There's a little bit of fatigue, I think, for fantasy owners when it comes to AJ Green because you haven't, you haven't had league winning type of consistency from him.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. And there's also contract problems. Right. Like the Julio contract news that they definitely want to get a deal locked in, sign him for three or four or five years versus AJ Green, who's kind of. He's on his last year of his contract. They've been quiet. He's coming off injury at an old age. You know, maybe he's playing somewhere else next year or like you brought up with Andy Dalton, what are they doing in the draft this year?

[Jason Moore]

What do they do in the draft too? And so would you say this considering all of that and not necessarily banking on him returning to form or not, but do you think he will be underdrafted relative to what he will do this season or do you think it's an appropriate bump down?

[Brooks]

I believe he will be underdrafted if you, if, you know you're going to get eight weeks. I think he will be underdrafted.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, I agree that on, you know, when you draft him, he's going to come out of the gate and be better than where you drafted him at. It's just a matter of here, can you get.

[Brooks]

So draft him and then trade him.

[Jason Moore]

So in a Dynasty league, Mike, I was deciding, I was trading with Jason a couple weeks ago. I could have had A.J. green, could add Ty Hilton. Who do you take in that situation?

[Brooks]

Because I, in Dynasty, I'll.

[Jason Moore]

I went with Hilton.

[Brooks]

I would take Hilton.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I was the same way. I was trying to get rid of.

[Jason Moore]

AJ Green instead of this year, Adam Thielen. AJ Green this year.

[Andy Holloway]

Adam Thielen.

[Brooks]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Keenan Allen. AJ Green this year.

[Andy Holloway]

Keenan.

[Brooks]

Keenan.

[Jason Moore]

All right, all right. Here's a. Well, you got something to say?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Would you speak.

[Andy Holloway]

I do. Do you take those same guys over AJ Green or would you take AJ Green over either?

[Jason Moore]

No, I would take all of those guys over A.J. green.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

That's different than Kulu I'm not familiar with. Or is it cuckoo as in Cooper cup, huh?

[Andy Holloway]

That's a transition.

[Brooks]

We're letting that happen.

[Jason Moore]

I'll be honest, I actually read his name as. I definitely read it as Kulu in my mind.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay?

[Jason Moore]

But it wasn't. It's. It's Cooper Cup.

[Brooks]

That was. Look, that was the rapper from the 90s with Gangster's Paradise.

[Jason Moore]

Coolio. Yeah, that's right. That was the transition. All right. Cooper cup, eight games last year.

[Brooks]

Coolio Cup.

[Jason Moore]

No, no. Left MCL sprain Week 6. Torn left ACL Week 10. Cooper cup made more of a difference to that offense than I think we all understood. Until he was. Well, he was gone. 63% of his games were good when he was on the field. He monstered out in week four. That was the 33 point performance. Had a couple double digit games before that. Missed a couple games with the MCL sprain, came back, looked good. And now what to make of Cooper cup next year. We as fantasy owners have such a hard time looking at Cooks and Cup and woods, knowing who's going to be the most appropriate and highest draft pick.

[Brooks]

I mean, if Cooper cup would were healthy and not coming off the ACL.

[Jason Moore]

Tear, he's your guy.

[Brooks]

He is the easy pick because he's.

[Jason Moore]

Going to be living over Brandon Cooks.

[Brooks]

Because of the draft cost. Brandon Cooks is still going to cost more. Cooper cup is just an absolute Touchdown monster. I mean they, they transitioned his role. He's the big slot guy. Like he's a six two wide receiver playing in the slot. Six touchdowns in eight games and that's not even really in eight games because he's, he missed basically two of those. I think he's a great player and he fits exactly what they want in that offense. It's just judging how ready is he to come back off. A torn ACL was a week 10 ACL. So you're talking that's at the point where the time, the timeline could be a little sketchy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's going to be dicey. You're not going to see, you know, OTAs roll around and him be at full strength.

[Brooks]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

And so yeah, I agree that there is risk, but this is risk that I am willing to take. I'm willing to buy Cooper cup wherever he falls address because he will fall a little bit. He's not the type. He's not, you know, a burner. He's not the guy that, you know that, you know, sometimes after an ACL you deal with hamstring issues when you're a speedster guy. He's not that type. So I think he plugs right back into the offense and is great as the season goes on, he's going to get better and better. This was that part I agree with, you know, so I'm fine drafting. I think he is the most valuable of the three wide receivers for draft versus what you're going to get.

[Brooks]

Are you willing to draft Cooper cup in that fifth, sixth round with the possibility that it might be three to four weeks into the season before you can even actually use him?

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, I believe, I think he'll be drafted right around when the draft rolls around. We'll know more about his health. So far, everything is on track. He should be good to go. Given that I don't think you're going to have three or four weeks where you can't play Cooper Cup. I would put him in my lineup week one and I think he's going to do fine. That doesn't mean he doesn't get better as the year goes on. But I don't, I don't anticipate that I'm going to have lost weeks with Cooper Cup.

[Jason Moore]

Jared Goff loves him. I mean, you look at the red zone targets, 29% in 2017, in the games he played last year, 24%. So when you're around the red zone, he's looking to Cooper cut to bail him out and to put him in a good position. Yeah. I tend to think if he's on the field, he's going to be valuable. That's probably the way to look at it. I want to hear you guys thoughts on this next guy. Marvin Jones only played nine games, knee bruised last year in Week 10. Went out for the season in Week 12. Coming back to a team, no Golden Tate, but a talented guy that had a monstrous, a top 12 performance the year before.

[Brooks]

Oh really?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not super excited.

[Brooks]

I'm in, I'm back. Sign me up for more Marvin.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Are you really so.

[Brooks]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Now is this the Golden Tate leaving? Because Golden Tate, you know, obviously was gone. I don't remember how the weeks lined up last year.

[Jason Moore]

He didn't play much without him.

[Andy Holloway]

But Kenny Golladay is.

[Brooks]

Kenny Golladay is the one. He's the one that's fine. I can handle Marvin Jones being the wide receiver too in this scenario. It was a really bad year for Matthew Stafford. I'm going to believe he improves in the second year of the offense and I believe in Marvin Jones the player. Meanwhile, I don't believe that their new free agent signing of Danny Amendola, I don't think he can last the whole time. And you're going to be back to two options with Kerryon Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

Marvin Jones is still six two still.

[Brooks]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

He's 29 years old coming off a nine touchdown season in 2017. He's not going to be a volume receiver. He never has. No, he's going to be a red zone receiver. He's going to be a big play receiver. He had 18 yards of catch in 2017. He only caught 61 passes.

[Brooks]

We knew top 12, we knew the 18 was unsustainable. But the year before that, right around 17 and you saw that plummet in 2018 down to 14 and a half. It was. If you watched Marvin Jones, which honestly I had him selfishly so I watched him very carefully. Those 50, 50 balls which they hit on like every single one of them in 2017. Stafford and Jones had a very strong connection with that type of pass. Marvin Jones was just getting missed or was dropping because he was getting hit. I think it was a just a probability bounced the wrong way. So I'm still very in a Marvin Jones and I think he's going to be close to free.

[Jason Moore]

I think there's going to be a lot of situations where you're the Kenny Golladay owner and you're rolling your eyes because this week was a Marvin guess.

[Andy Holloway]

I can agree with that part But I mean Marvin Jones is, look, he's a, he's a. Best case scenario he's in the 60 catches. You know, this is not a guy. I think that's going to really help you. He's on a team that is now wanting to run the ball more, pass the ball less. If you, if you have fewer passing attempts in that offense and you've got a guy who caps in the 60s, what is he getting you now? 50 catches. And that's just not going to do it for fantasy. You're not going to know which week he gets the longbomb touchdown. Coming off injury, 29 years old. We'll have to see what they do in the draft. But yeah, I'm not excited at all about Marvin Jones.

[Jason Moore]

Well, let me ask you this Mike, because I know where I sit on it. If you had to pick between the Kenny Golladay, what. Where is he going to go two, three rounds earlier, minimum, minimum.

[Brooks]

Right. Will be in the top four rounds, easy.

[Jason Moore]

I don't, I don't see. I think you're going to basically have identical statistical seasons between those two guys with the coin flip on who gets more touchdowns.

[Brooks]

I don't think it'll be identical. I would side heavily in, I would say 95% chance that Kenny Golladay has a better season.

[Jason Moore]

Did all of a miss any games last year.

[Brooks]

I can't say off the top of my head.

[Jason Moore]

He was at 70, just over 1,005.

[Andy Holloway]

Galladay started 13 games played in 15. So he didn't miss one. Didn't start the whole season.

[Brooks]

Where is Marva Jones going to be drafted?

[Jason Moore]

I mean eighth round, ninth round maybe.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, probably.

[Brooks]

That's like. That's where he was going last year.

[Andy Holloway]

If it was up to me. 12th round 13, his ADP and a.

[Jason Moore]

Half point league is actually back at the six right now. I don't think that'll hold up where Golladay is going. Fourth round.

[Brooks]

Yeah, I don't think that holds up.

[Andy Holloway]

For Jones and I think what you were going to say is what's the gap?

[Jason Moore]

So if Golladay, what would you prefer?

[Andy Holloway]

Fifth round and let's say Marvin Jones is ninth round, tenth round.

[Brooks]

I would still prefer if Golladay is a fifth round. Yes. But if Golladay catches his hype train, which he's.

[Jason Moore]

Galladay would be a third or fourth round pick.

[Brooks]

Yes, he will. And that's what I'm saying. If a third round pick for Kenny Galladay or a eighth round pick, ninth round pick from Arva Jones, I will I will take the value. I don't want the one.

[Jason Moore]

What does he finish at, Mike? Wide receiver.

[Brooks]

What? Well, his finish will be. I don't think the finish will be as strong as the impact he'll make for your team. I agree with Jason. Yes, you won't know when it's going to happen, but you're. When he'll have his big games. But you're not counting on Marvin Jones to do that. He's your. He's your flex play. He's your nitro boost that. If. If he hits, I win. I win this week automatically. If he doesn't hit, I still have a good chance to win.

[Jason Moore]

DeSean Jackson or Marvin Jones in 2019.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason DeShaun. Jackson.

[Brooks]

Jackson.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Will Fuller and Kiki qt. Let's remember both of these guys in Houston.

[Brooks]

Oh, Fuller.

[Jason Moore]

DeAndre Hopkins dominates all the headlines in Houston, but Fuller and QT has. They have both shown fantasy owners something. They've also shown them repeated injury issues.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, Will Fuller, that dude has just dominated when he's on the field. Every time he's out there, he torches guys and destroys his legs. You know, what do you make of him? He is. He's one of those guys. You know, I was talking earlier about the hamstring issue, right? He's dealt with hamstring issues coming off an acl. There's a huge injury risk with Will Fuller. He. Huge. But if he's out there.

[Brooks]

But okay. Well, knowing the injury risk is so huge. Are you out?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not out on Fuller. No. I'm willing to take the gamble because. So let's say I draft. Let's compare Marvin Jones and Will Fuller to each other, right? And let's say Marvin Jones is a guaranteed 16 games and will Fuller is a. Is a chance at being healthy a gamble? I don't really. I would rather have that, right. I'd rather have a guy where, when he's out there, I'm confident in starting him on my fantasy roster and then he's not out there and I. Unfortunately, if he's injured, I've got to cut him. I've got to find someone else to replace him. But when he's in and starting on my roster, he's beating my opponent. I would rather take the risk on a guy like Will Fuller than a guy like Marvin Jones. Does that make sense?

[Brooks]

Yeah, it makes sense, but I don't.

[Jason Moore]

Think I agree with it. I don't think I agree with that.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe we disagree on what Will Fuller is.

[Jason Moore]

Well, yeah, I mean, When Marvin Jones played last year, he was more consistent week to week than Will Fuller was. Will Fuller had big time games and so can Marvin Jones and both are playing a similar role. Right. You're the two on a team with a probably a good quarterback, not necessarily prolific passer, but you like Fuller more is what you're saying. You'd rather take a shot on him. Whereas I see, I see QT as more of a potential negative on secondary targets outside of Hopkins. Like Hopkins is far more dominant than Golladay.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

He's going to have far, far more receptions than Galladay Will and then QT I think has big time upside as that slot guy. Whereas right now I don't know if I believe Danny Amendola really has it. So I lean Marvin Jones more than the often injured Fuller. But Mike, you might the hard part.

[Brooks]

For Will Fuller is the targets because when, when Kiki showed up.

[Jason Moore]

Four picks from each other, by the way.

[Brooks]

What Fuller and Jones?

[Jason Moore]

Fuller and Jones. Marvin on calculator. Yeah. 609. Fuller 701. So this is a good comparison.

[Brooks]

Is that when Fuller started the year because he was coming off another injury, he got in to week two. I mean nine targets, 11 targets, five. I'll even take the five. But that's when Kiki started entering the realm and dropped to three targets, two straight games and then Kiki was missing so it kind of went back up.

[Andy Holloway]

It's.

[Jason Moore]

Kiki wasn't there in the beginning, right?

[Brooks]

Right. Yeah. When the, when the really high volume was there, Kiki was not playing. So. And Kiki's a target machine like that. That's the role he plays in the offense. So it's hard for me to get behind Will Fuller even though I want to because of the tertiary target that Kiki QT is versus Danny Amadola, Brooks.

[Jason Moore]

How many games as well Fuller play next year? Tell the people probably about 10. 10 games last year he missed from what week? Where did he go out last year? I just missed. Fuller went out, went out in week nine, didn't return. And then QT only played week 11 and 12 and basically missed from same same time span. They could be a pretty good team next year. Stay healthy.

[Andy Holloway]

If the three of them can stay on the field, their offense is going to be great. It's going to be a whole lot better than the Lions offense.

[Jason Moore]

Do you like Kiki with Fuller out there, is that where you would prefer the option ppr?

[Brooks]

Sure. Ppr. I'll take the chance.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Let's not forget about another player here. Another couple of wide receivers we want to bring up before we change positions. Albert Wilson, Marquis Goodwin, Geronimo Allison. Now, I know I've heard Geronimo Allison's name recently on the show. We talked about him. An opportunity for him to be kind of like in a different, I guess, tier than those three other rookies that each had a few games in Green Bay. I've heard you talk about Albert Wilson, too. Obviously he was lightning in a bottle last season. He had a monster Week three, a monster Week six, but he's not a prototypical receiver situation. A lot of handoffs, a lot of stuff behind the line of scrimmage, screen passes. I have not heard you talk about Marquise Goodwin. You both seem very out on Marquise Goodwin, very astute. A player who looks in the back half of 2017 and then in parts of last year and especially in the preseason with the rapport with Garoppolo, who obviously went out. Goodwin was hyped in a big way last season. Why are you so out on him? Is it just Dante Pettis? Is it injury?

[Andy Holloway]

It's injury. I mean, it's the same reason I was out on him last year. His injury history is a whole nother level and it's unfortunate.

[Jason Moore]

It's conclusion like a Will Fuller level.

[Andy Holloway]

Saying a whole other level from Will Fuller's, which is saying something. I just don't believe that Goodwin will be able to stay on an NFL field for, you know, I don't know, man. You put the over under at four and a half games and I guess I'll statistically have to take the over. But I'm, you know, I just don't see Goodwin as an NFL wide receiver that can stay out there. I don't remember how many concussions he's.

[Brooks]

Had, but it's numerous.

[Andy Holloway]

An uncomfortable amount.

[Brooks]

The thing about Goodwin, because I'm. I side more with Jason of being out knowing that you're going to be wrong for a couple games. I don't doubt that if when he's on the field he can have a big game or two. They it seemed like they were really wanting to make the transition to Marquis, Goodwin to be the the guy for that team. They've moved up, moved on from Pierre Garcon, but I think that Dante Pettis is going to be the guy for that team.

[Jason Moore]

It's worth highlighting the injury that he missed time with last year was a quadricep injury, right?

[Brooks]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

It wasn't related to a concussion history, but that is a risk with him. I think There could be some value in Marquise Goodwin if you guys like the offense so much. You talked about it. Dante Pettis, I don't think he's going to carry the entirety of that load. I think Goodwin is very interesting as a value.

[Brooks]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

And to be fair, while the concussions to me are the scary part from both a fantasy and a human side, he's missed a lot of games with a lot of other injuries. Missed games from ribs, missed games from ankles, wrist, calf quadrant.

[Jason Moore]

He's a ninth round pick right now. So he's basically, I mean, he's in the Curtis Samuel, Adam Humphries range. So.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's always, it's fascinating to me when you go from, I mean, I just remember how many shows last off season it was Markey's great win talk. So that's why we want to remember and have these discussions again. Because sometimes you buy back in. Sometimes you were validated on your fear of injury during the season and you don't want, you know, you have a policy. You just don't want to put those guys in your team. You don't want to go through it again. I get that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Running backs, Darius Geiss, we can throw Chris Thompson in there too, because all the running backs were hurt last year in Washington for a second straight season. Set out the entire 2018 year due to a torn ACL. Looked great in the preseason, did he not?

[Brooks]

Yes, he did.

[Jason Moore]

But not only did he have the torn acl, he also underwent three additional surgeries to clean up an infection in the same knee.

[Brooks]

I can't imagine that's good.

[Jason Moore]

No. And Matthew Betts, one of our writers, said the infection can't be taken for granted. Delayed the rehab, delayed the ACL behind schedule. They signed ap, they resigned Adrian Peterson.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, I think that that goes along with the injury recovery. Right. It's not, it's not just, oh, they don't like guys and so they signed AP and he's going to take on the workload. It's. You have a guy now who they've brought in to say AP can do enough of the job to where you're not going to thrust Geist into a workhorse role. Right. I mean, I can't imagine them coming out and being like, okay, guys, here's 24 carries.

[Jason Moore]

It would be a second, second half of the season type of ascent for guys, in my opinion.

[Andy Holloway]

Right, right.

[Jason Moore]

That would be something where, like, didn't we see that with Dalvin Cook? Wasn't it the fear with Dalvin Cook Coming back.

[Brooks]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

That. We thought we'd see a lot of latitude. Things can change quickly because coaches in the NFL want to win the game. And as soon as they see a player's okay or they're capable like we thought. Latavius. Right? Latavius. Latavius. Latavius. It was like week two, and it was like Dalvin Cooks. Oh, Dalvin's the man when he's healthy. So that possibility exists. I know that they like Geist's flexibility in the passing game and the ability. They keep reiterating that. But what about. Is there room for Chris Thompson as well in that offense?

[Andy Holloway]

I do think so. I mean, I don't think Darius Guyce or Adrian Peterson are out there to be the past catching back. I think that's what Chris Thompson is. They. You know, I think it's a. You know, this is an example, Mike, of the one, two punch. Right. Like, whether it's Geist or ap, and then you bring in Thompson, you know, as the pass catcher. That's the.

[Jason Moore]

You know, what's going on in Washington. Yeah, this is the.

[Brooks]

It's a good question.

[Jason Moore]

It's three different surgeries. Right. You have. Because Colt McCoy, who had what seemed like a simple injury. He's having another surgery. Alex Smith had complications from surgery, and Darius Geist had complications from surgery.

[Brooks]

Well, they can never field an offensive line because they always go down to injury. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Something's happening in D.C. you are right.

[Brooks]

That it does. I don't have the numbers, so I can't scientifically say if they're getting hurt more. It just. It certainly feels like they do.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm a scientist. I can say that they are getting hurt more.

[Brooks]

Oh, thank you, Dr. Moore.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you. You are welcome.

[Jason Moore]

Devonta Freeman. Jaya Jai, Ronald Jones. Three more forgotten players heading into the new year we've talked a little bit about.

[Andy Holloway]

Jerry.

[Brooks]

You read them in a role like that.

[Jason Moore]

Well, how would you want them read, Mike?

[Brooks]

Devonta Freeman. Stop.

[Jason Moore]

You don't want j.

[Brooks]

A Jai, Ronald Jones.

[Jason Moore]

You don't want him lumped in with a Jai and Ronald.

[Brooks]

That is correct.

[Jason Moore]

Well, now you've gotten the opportunity to pull him out and to talk about him independently. Mike, this is one of your picks from the overreaction episode.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Brooks]

I feel like I have professed my love for Devonta Freeman, so I will yield my time to Dr. Moore to talk about Devonta Freeman, see if his take agrees.

[Jason Moore]

Dr. Moore. Yield his time to Matthew Betts. An actual doctor.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. Let's hear from the actual physical therapist and see what his take is?

[Jason Moore]

He thinks that the knee injuries are likely to recurrent.

[Brooks]

No.

[Jason Moore]

He sees playing 16 games is very unlikely. The team needs to utilize Ido Smith much like Tevin Coleman. Spell Freeman he sprained his MCL pcl.

[Brooks]

I have just spotted a problem with Matthew Betts argument.

[Jason Moore]

Uh huh.

[Brooks]

You can't use Ido Smith like Tevin Coleman.

[Jason Moore]

You can't?

[Brooks]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Why is that?

[Brooks]

Because he's Ido Smith and Tevin Coleman is better?

[Jason Moore]

I don't know.

[Brooks]

I stand by it.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Thanks Mike. You own Devonta Freeman, not a doctor.

[Andy Holloway]

Now here's, here's the reality that this is why I actually like Freeman quite a bit. Obviously every single running back out there, I don't care if you have an injury history or don't you have an injury risk. Every single one, they just take too much damage. So if we take that away a little bit and we say okay, he's had the time to recover, he's going to come back, should be completely healthy to start the season. Sure. Like every running back there's a chance of re injury but he's the starting running back on a really good offense with a financial situation where they owe him still quite a bit of money. He is clearly their main guy. Edo Smith is the backup and they'll probably draft someone else they need. They need a third back after Tevin Coleman left. But I think I always take situation over talent and that would agree. That would include, you know, injury risk here the situation says Devonta Freeman is going to be a great value.

[Jason Moore]

Rushes, receptions, touchdowns, yards, all decreasing three consecutive years for Devonta Freeman before last year.

[Brooks]

Yeah. The decrease doesn't scare me away from Devonta Freeman because he was it like when he, when he was the number one guy. It's because he stayed healthy and he was the only running back in existence in Atlanta. Tevin Coleman could not stay on the field that year. So that, that doesn't concern me that they're going down. The opportunity is too good for Devonta Freeman for me to pass on him.

[Jason Moore]

Third round pick right now around Philip Lindsay and Aaron Jones.

[Brooks]

I would take Freeman over both those guys.

[Jason Moore]

Can I, can we talk about Jai and Ronald Jones now?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Brooks]

Yes. Now that they are in their own category.

[Jason Moore]

Jai still has no home. Should we care about where he lands?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think so. I mean it's. He's the type of back that might have to wait until after the NFL draft, see what's happened, maybe wait for an injury. But he is.

[Jason Moore]

They said he's still talking with The Eagles, too.

[Andy Holloway]

Interesting. Yeah. No, I mean, I like, if I had to grab one of these guys now for this upcoming season, I would grab Jay Ajayi, who does not have a team.

[Jason Moore]

Between him and Ronald Jones.

[Andy Holloway]

Between him and Ronald Jones. Now, am I just too far on my Rojo hate blockers?

[Brooks]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Thinking he's not good. Would either of you rather have Ronald Jones over Jay?

[Brooks]

Jay Ajayi has a degenerative knee and he's coming off of an ACL tear.

[Andy Holloway]

In the other knee and does not have a team.

[Brooks]

And does not have a team. I'm so.

[Jason Moore]

That could be an example of you over emphasizing 23 carries of rojos career.

[Brooks]

I am on the side of very concerned for Ronald Jones turning into a massive NFL bust, but I'm going to take him over Jay Ajayi.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I don't know if I'm going to take him over JJ.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you, Mr. Reasonable.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, let's talk about. JJ is probably going to. I mean, they said he was talking with Indianapolis. Right. If you put him in Indianapolis with that backfield or you put him in Philadelphia again, I'd probably take him over Ronald Jones.

[Andy Holloway]

You put him on a team and I will take him over Ronald Jones because I. Because.

[Jason Moore]

Do you agree with that, Brooks? Who would you rather have? Oh, wait, you have a Jay in your dynasty league. Yeah, but I accept the realities of a jai.

[Brooks]

If you could trade a Jay straight up right now for Ronald Jones, would.

[Andy Holloway]

You do it in a dynasty.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, in a dynasty league, would you do that? Yeah, I probably would.

[Brooks]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Take the chance.

[Andy Holloway]

I would.

[Jason Moore]

All right. I need to. I need to acquire Ronald Jones real quick.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Brooks]

You guys are crazy.

[Jason Moore]

You're. You're.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a really good point. If I can steal Ronald Jones for what he deserves to be, which is nothing, and then give him the Brooks for jj. I'm on it.

[Jason Moore]

You're gone for the rest of the show. All right. Forgotten quarterbacks. Jimmy G. Mike, you brought him up earlier already. Can he be a QB one?

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Brooks]

Yeah, I think so.

[Jason Moore]

Cam Newton, 14 games played, busted shoulder.

[Brooks]

He can be a quarterback one I believe, too.

[Jason Moore]

Andy Dalton, Alex Smith. Well, look, not Alex Smith. Forgotten. No, he should be forgotten. I'm sorry.

[Brooks]

Yeah. Alex Smith.

[Jason Moore]

I feel bad for Alex Smith because he's a. He's a competent, capable NFL quarterback, but he had a massive, severe injury in week 11, and clearly that team is not planning for him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I can't imagine that he ever plays a snap in the NFL again.

[Jason Moore]

Whoa. That's that's extreme.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, not this year.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think he plays this year.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I don't think he plays this year and I think next year they've got to solve their quarterback situation as opposed to having whatever age Alex Smith is coming off of that injury back to be the starter.

[Jason Moore]

So you guys hear Jay Gruden has like no say in anything going on there.

[Brooks]

Really?

[Jason Moore]

I was listening to a lot of. And you take it for what you will. I mean some people that have knowledge of the situation, we all know Daniel Snyder and the situation with him spending money. You know, the big contract that went out to Collins. Apparently Jay's got no say and no, nobody informs him what's going on. He's super frustrated.

[Brooks]

Very interesting.

[Jason Moore]

So I don't think he had any say in case Keenum coming in.

[Brooks]

Why would.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think they have him around. I don't know. He's been a coach for them for a long time. Like one of the longer durations for a Washington head coach.

[Brooks]

It's almost like they have a really bad owner.

[Jason Moore]

Well, that, that much is true. It's funny.

[Brooks]

I don't know.

[Jason Moore]

It could be, could be Cam Newton. You like him? Andy Dalton. Yes.

[Brooks]

I mean, Kim, Cam Newton, it's all about the shoulder because that thing was done. I mean he, he was a floppy noodle throwing the football towards the end of the season. Can he get that thing right before the season starts? I think so. But that's 100%. You have to see what's, what's going on with his health.

[Jason Moore]

All right. There is an article by Matthew Betts on the site. What's wrong with Cam Newton's shoulder goes into more detail.

[Brooks]

It was filled with aluminum foil.

[Jason Moore]

Andy Dalton has been a fantasy guy for certain durations of his career.

[Brooks]

No, I'm done. I'm done with this.

[Jason Moore]

All right, sir, are we.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Brooks]

Are we still doing this? We're still going with the hope of Andy Dalton.

[Jason Moore]

No, we're not. I'm just bringing him up.

[Brooks]

Dr. Moore.

[Jason Moore]

Tyler Boyd was good last year. A.J. green, Joe Mixon.

[Brooks]

No, no, Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

I will, I will, I will be completely red rocket. You're getting sucked in and say that Andy Dalton could very well be. They could draft quarterback Eddie Dalton could be on the street this year. I wouldn't doubt that.

[Brooks]

I think he plays this year.

[Andy Holloway]

They have enough weapons. They have an offensive minded coach. We have seen with good coaching. We've seen Andy Dalton be good. I'm not saying Andy Dalton is, you know, a top 10 quarterback in the NFL or is anybody I would want my franchise to be reliant on. But as a streaming option through the year, I think he'll have plenty of successful games.

[Brooks]

Especially everyone can be streamed.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure, but worthy of being drafted with your last pick is my point. Everybody could be streamed. You could stream 40 quarterbacks through the year, plenty of which you won't draft. If I have players on the board that I love in round 10 and 11 and 12 and these players, Marvin Jones are falling to me. If I was Mike and I wanted Marvin Jones and he's there in the 12th, I would be like, oh, I'm so happy. And I keep waiting on the quarterback and everyone's gone, you know, look, Andy Dalton is. He's not great, but there are situations here with, you know, the past catching with Tyler Boyd, AJ Green, Joe Mixon, currently John Ross. With offensive coaching coming into town, maybe they open it up a bit.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we good to move on to tight ends?

[Brooks]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

All right. O.J. howard, 10 games played last year. Delaney Walker, haven't heard that name in a long time. Only played one game. But he was a very consistent fantasy tight end for many years. Jonu Smith, 13 games played left at the end of the season.

[Brooks]

Jonu Smith was so disappointing.

[Jason Moore]

Look, I don't like either of those guys in Tennessee to bounce back because they. Jonah Smith didn't do anything once Delaney left. Delaney's coming off an ankle fracture and dislocation. They passed the ball almost the least in the NFL. I am not. I'm very hesitant about them. Tyler Ifert, Mike, you've brought him up as a surprise potentially. Yeah, he's a handsome son of a gun.

[Brooks]

I just won't. I'll be out on Andy Dalton, but I will be in taking the shot on super late round Tyler.

[Andy Holloway]

If you're in on interesting logic that.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's weird logic. And if you're in on Tyler Ifer, are you in on Jordan Reed? No, because Jordan Reed is practicing in full and maybe still out there.

[Brooks]

What is the consistency?

[Jason Moore]

Can you combine them into one of his floppy toes? Tyler Reed.

[Andy Holloway]

It is wet noodle like how flopping are they?

[Jason Moore]

I just.

[Brooks]

When these toes are flopping, I think.

[Jason Moore]

You'Re just don't come a calling.

[Brooks]

Don't come a knock.

[Jason Moore]

These toes flopping. Don't come knocking.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You haven't come and knocking on for Jordan Reed for a while. I'm done with I for that's fine.

[Brooks]

I. I am perfectly happy. Too much has to go on IFRT island by myself.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, like last year. People did the same thing last year.

[Brooks]

Look, I hurt. Oh, yeah. He'll probably get hurt. I get it. Okay.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Brooks]

He's probably going to get hurt.

[Jason Moore]

You'll draft him.

[Brooks]

If the tight end landscape moves a certain way in my draft, then yeah, I would be willing to take a shot on him.

[Andy Holloway]

He is the perfect comp for Andy Dalton. Everything I just described about what would have to happen for me to be okay leaving a draft with Andy Dalton is exactly what would have to happen to be like, okay, well, I can take a shot at Tyler, but I.

[Brooks]

Would rather have my tight end come out and stink week one than have my quarterback come out and stink. One week one, stink one, stink. You know what?

[Jason Moore]

Your quarterback come out stink one. No, I don't either. No. I mean, OG Howard is by far the best forgotten player to pay attention to because, look, he led all the tight ends in the NFL in yards per reception. He's a absolute beast when it comes to his athleticism and the way that, you know, he could be used.

[Brooks]

That's what it is. This 100% comes down to player versus scheme, because we just have not seen a. What we're. What we expect O.J. howard to be in the NFL. What his draft capital was, what he was turning into this past year, is not the type of usage that Bruce Arians uses his tight end. For me, he had. He had no one in Arizona, fine. But he had Heath Miller for a very long time when he was the OC in Pittsburgh. And Heath Miller was always the picture of fine.

[Jason Moore]

It's fine 40 something reception.

[Brooks]

It's fine for my fantasy season to have Heath Miller. I mean, the funny thing about Miller is he had his very best season the year that Bruce Arians left.

[Jason Moore]

I think it. There is concern. I mean, there's concern the same way you would have for Gasicki in Miami, where Ryan Fitzpatrick does far more for Kasicki. But you do have, well, even. Even the issues that you've had with Evan Ingram in the past when Odell Beckham Jr. Was there and Sterling Shepard and Saquon Barkley. There's a world where there's enough downfield weapons and throwing to the wide receivers that Howard isn't the pinnacle of consistency, even if he gives you huge gains.

[Brooks]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

Jack Doyle, any interest? Mm, you do have interest in Jack Doyle.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Don't they have 16, 18 tight ends there?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I.

[Brooks]

It doesn't matter to me because Jack Doyle is the number one. He's the number one tight end. On the team.

[Andy Holloway]

How's.

[Brooks]

Yes, he is 100%.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no, no, no. He was. I will grant you that last year he was. He. When he. When he and was out on the field, he was the number one target. He ran the most routes between him and Ebron. That ship has sailed, my friend.

[Brooks]

Has not.

[Andy Holloway]

It went away with Jack Doyle's hip.

[Brooks]

No, Eric, Ebron left when Devin Funches came into town.

[Andy Holloway]

Nope.

[Brooks]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

What is this?

[Jason Moore]

Is that your counterpoint?

[Andy Holloway]

Ebron. Doyle. An Ebron to Doyle Waterbed.

[Brooks]

I will bet you. How do we want to frame this?

[Andy Holloway]

Ebron to Doyle.

[Brooks]

Fine, we'll just go heads up.

[Andy Holloway]

Water bet. Huzzah.

[Jason Moore]

You want to pre celebrate?

[Andy Holloway]

I do. Give me a cup of water, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

I think what I've learned from today's show, among many things, is that Mike is the most forgiving of the three of us. Perhaps because he wants to jump or I guess something we've always known. He's the biggest risk taker.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, yes, that's true.

[Jason Moore]

Diving in for that Doyle Eiford value. Diving in for that Marvin Jones. Ronald Jones value.

[Brooks]

Oh, no, that's just a stink fest where I had to take the guy who actually is functioning knees.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike just loves Ronald Jones.

[Jason Moore]

Is he a year guy?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Brooks]

Him and Marlon Mack.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we do have one more thing for today. Pristine deal of the day. Allen Robinson signed Bears jersey Just got announced today that the NFL season will begin with Packers Bears.

[Andy Holloway]

Very nice. I should have got this one under $50.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

For a Beckett witnessed Alan Robinson signed Chicago Bears jersey. I am a proud dynasty owner of Alan Robinson.

[Brooks]

Proud.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Brooks]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

You weren't super proud last week when you were talking.

[Andy Holloway]

I am. I am super proud to have Alan Robinson be my fourth wide receiver.

[Brooks]

Oh, yes.

[Andy Holloway]

I am thrilled for him to be my wide receiver. 4.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, Mike, did you notice that Jason has another super team, this time in Dynasty?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I. Don't say those words, please.

[Brooks]

It probably will go undefeated.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll be. I'll be honest. I thought about screenshotting my team and posting it out there and I was like, not happening. Because that's okay. Super team. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

He's got. He's got a really good team. A super team.

[Andy Holloway]

It's mediocre.

[Jason Moore]

He's got.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, don't get me wrong, it did just win the championship.

[Jason Moore]

Carson Wentz, Todd Gurley, Leonard Fournette, Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, Devonte Adams. Alan Robinson. Who's your tight end? Eric Ebron. Interesting.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Brooks]

Oh, weird. Weird that you're so in on Eric Ebron.

[Andy Holloway]

Weird that I'm in on the guy that I've loved since he came out of college.

[Brooks]

He's biased.

[Jason Moore]

Where's your jersey? Where's your Ebron jersey?

[Andy Holloway]

Where is my Ebron jersey?

[Jason Moore]

Need a browser?

[Brooks]

For the record, I have Jack Doyle nowhere. Nowhere.

[Andy Holloway]

You must not believe in him.

[Jason Moore]

Thanks for tuning in pristineauction.com to browse their hundreds of daily auctions. Thanks for tuning in, for listening. We'll be back on Thursday.

[Brooks]

See you then. Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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