Good Vibes, Bad Vibes + ADP Price Check

Summary

Podcast Summary: Fantasy Footballers - "Good Vibes, Bad Vibes + ADP Price Check"

Episode Information:

• Title: Good Vibes, Bad Vibes + ADP Price Check
• Release Date: August 29, 2018
• Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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1. Episode Introduction and Overview

The episode kicks off with the Fantasy Footballers' signature banter, setting a lively and engaging tone. Hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright outline the primary topics for the episode, which include an Average Draft Position (ADP) price check, analysis of player movements on the draft board, and discussions on preseason lessons categorized into "Good Vibes" and "Bad Vibes."

Notable Quote:

• Mike Wright [01:13]: "We're getting into some preseason lessons we've learned through three weeks and what our eyes are telling us, what the depth charts telling us, we'll basically be talking about good vibes and bad vibes."

2. ADP Price Check

The hosts delve into the ADP price check segment, analyzing how certain players have moved on the draft board over the past month. They discuss players like Marquise Goodwin, Pierre Garcon, Marshawn Lynch, Carlos Hyde, Carson Wentz, and Trey Burton, evaluating whether their current ADPs align with their preseason performances and expected roles.

Notable Quotes:

• Jason Moore [04:29]: "I was going to buy in for Doug Baldwin in the middle of the third, but now we're looking at him on fantasy football calculator at the 306."
• Mike Wright [05:44]: "What's the value currently of Doug Baldwin... he's sandwiched between Ty Hilton and Adam Thielen."

3. News and Updates

The discussion shifts to the latest NFL news impacting fantasy football. Key highlights include:

• Alshon Jeffrey Injury: Reports indicate that Jeffrey is expected to miss at least the first two games, presenting opportunities for other players like Nelson Aguilar and Mike Wallace.
• Adam Thielen Injury: Thielen suffered a minor injury, with no long-term concerns but requiring monitoring.
• Doug Baldwin's Status: Baldwin admits to ongoing injuries, affecting his fantasy value and placing him below consistently reliable players like Adam Thielen and Ty Hilton.

Notable Quote:

• Andy Holloway [09:30]: "Nick Chubb, at least for now."

4. Preseason Lessons: Good Vibes

The hosts identify several "Good Vibes" players and trends emerging from the preseason:

• Kenyan Drake (Miami Dolphins): Demonstrates explosive performance and versatility, earning praise and confidence for securing a significant role in the offense.

  Quote:

  • Mike Wright [16:53]: "I've seen great talent from Drake in the preseason. He's been an explosive player."

• Tyreek Hill and Patrick Mahomes (Kansas City Chiefs): Hill's exceptional speed and catching ability, combined with Mahomes' impressive preseason performance, position them as top fantasy assets.

  Quote:

  • Jason Moore [21:23]: "Pat Mahomes has just impressed the heck out of me this preseason from the vantage point of fantasy football."

• Jamal Williams (Green Bay Packers): Recognized for his potential in a strong Packers offense, making him a valuable pick for PPR leagues.

  Quote:

  • Mike Wright [58:30]: "Jamal Williams is the guy in Green Bay that you want to own at the running back position."

• Chris Hogan (New England Patriots): Hogan's dominance and elevated role in the Patriots' offense, especially with key players like Julian Edelman suspended, enhance his fantasy value.

  Quote:

  • Andy Holloway [29:14]: "Chris Hogan has taken over the situation. He's getting people kicked out of town."

5. Preseason Lessons: Bad Vibes

Conversely, the hosts also highlight "Bad Vibes" that could negatively impact fantasy teams:

• Cameron Meredith (New Orleans Saints): Struggles to integrate into the new offense post-injury and team changes, leading to uncertainty about his fantasy value.

  Quote:

  • Mike Wright [38:45]: "Cameron Meredith has caught zero passes on 48 preseason snaps and he's going to get a lot of preseason week four work."

• Royce Freeman (Los Angeles Rams): Faces competition in a three-headed running back committee, making his immediate fantasy contribution uncertain despite his talent.

  Quote:

  • Mike Wright [40:20]: "There's some bad vibes for Royce Freeman with Vance Joseph coming out and saying that Devontae Booker is the starter."

• Cincinnati Bengals and Indianapolis Colts Defenses: Both defenses have performed poorly in preseason, raising concerns about their effectiveness in the upcoming season.

  Quote:

  • Jason Moore [41:51]: "The Bengals are another sort of bad vibe to me because their offensive line... it's just a train wreck."

• Philadelphia Eagles Offense: Ongoing injuries and new coaching staff changes create an unstable environment, making their fantasy outlook bleak.

  Quote:

  • Mike Wright [44:09]: "The bad vibes is there aren't people to play there. There hasn't been production."

6. Mailbag: Listener Questions

The hosts address listener questions, providing strategic advice on roster decisions:

• Dropping Players Before Week One: In response to a caller deciding between Cortland Sutton, Jordan Wilkins, and Anthony Miller, the hosts recommend cutting Anthony Miller first, emphasizing the importance of retaining players like Jordan Wilkins who offer guaranteed week-one production.

  Notable Advice:

  • Mike Wright [50:20]: "If I were him, it's probably going to end up being Wilkins and Miller."

• Trading Players: Another caller asks if it's time to sell Royce Freeman amidst hype. The hosts suggest holding onto Freeman unless his perceived value significantly exceeds his projected performance, advising against trading him prematurely.

  Notable Advice:

  • Jason Moore [53:37]: "I would rather have Devonta Freeman if my wide receivers were still good."

• Draft Decisions in PPR Leagues: When asked to choose between Tyreek Hill and other players in a PPR setting, the hosts discuss the value of high-reception players like Chris Thompson over less reliable options like Jamal Williams, although acknowledging Williams' potential.

  Notable Quote:

  • Mike Wright [56:54]: "Jamal Williams... he's the clear cut starter right now."

7. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

The hosts wrap up the episode by reiterating key insights, encouraging listeners to stay informed through their community platforms, and reminding them of the importance of strategic roster management. They also touch upon the importance of life insurance, briefly thanking their sponsor before signing off.

Notable Quote:

• Jason Moore [60:20]: "Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast."

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Key Takeaways:

• ADP Movements: Understanding how player values shift can provide strategic advantages during drafts.
• Preseason Performance: Distinguishing between promising signs and red flags is crucial for early-season success.
• Injury Reports: Monitoring player health can dramatically impact fantasy decisions.
• Listener Engagement: Personalized advice helps listeners navigate unique team dilemmas.

For those looking to optimize their fantasy football strategies, this episode offers valuable analysis and actionable insights to navigate the complexities of the upcoming NFL season.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

To the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Foreign to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, coming to you from Draft.com Studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright. Oh, yeah, you stepped in, Mike. You did.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what it would sound like if I started the show every time.

[Mike Wright]

This is a little flimmy.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that was.

[Mike Wright]

It's called rasp. Oh, raspy.

[Andy Holloway]

Beef Wellington, beef brisket.

[Mike Wright]

Welcome to the show. Wednesday, August 29, the fantasy footballers Podcast. Back again. Got a great show prepared for you. We're getting into some. Well, we'll do an ADP price check. We'll see what players are moving around the draft board. If you still got your draft ahead of you, we'll get into some preseason lessons we've learned through three weeks and what our eyes are telling us, what the depth charts telling us, we'll basically be talking about good vibes and bad vibes.

[Andy Holloway]

We're taking on the role of the Beach Boys.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's exactly what we do.

[Andy Holloway]

I knew you would get that reference. Yeah, Old man.

[Mike Wright]

I put on the 45 this morning, Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

I was listening Good Vibrations, that song, that's a classic.

[Mike Wright]

But I mean, that's a little bit of what we have here is we don't get a lot of evidence and we take what we see and what we know and we're just telling you where things are trending on certain players. And sometimes we have expectations about somebody that they don't pan out.

[Jason Moore]

Jay, that's happened a time or two. You know, sometimes we have high hopes, and then you watch preseason and next thing you know, they're not getting the play that you want. You know, you think of Rashad Penny even before he broke his hand. Yeah, certainly. I think what's important on an episode like today, we're going to talk about the good vibes and the bad vibes, the things that have really moved the needle for us. But what we're not going to do and what you should not do is draw conclusions.

[Mike Wright]

Say, these are, it's over, it's settled, it's done.

[Jason Moore]

Exactly. I mean you can, you can say, okay, you could draw a conclusion that this guy is getting first team reps. You know that if he's being used that way. But yeah, you can't overreact which is so tempting in preseason. So we'll try to walk that straight, narrow, right down the middle of the road.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, walk the line. Walk the line. Get those good vibrations. Follow us on twitter@the ffballers. We're over on YouTube. YouTube.com the fantasy footballers. The fantasy footballers.com is the website and the community. If you're trying to get into a league, a little last minute league action, go to jointhefoot.com join our community, get access to an extra episode. Lots of good stuff over there.

[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

Yeah, there's over 5,000 Foot Clan members.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you can find local leagues, you could find online leagues. Whatever your heart desires.

[Mike Wright]

Whatever your heart desires. All right, quick question. We're going to do a little a one month price check on some players. Marquise Goodwin, a month ago, you know where Marquis Goodwin was going?

[Andy Holloway]

You know, about a month ago.

[Mike Wright]

A month ago he was in 9th round pick, I was going to guess.

[Andy Holloway]

That sounds about right.

[Mike Wright]

Middle of the ninth round. Where do you think he is now?

[Jason Moore]

Too high.

[Andy Holloway]

I believe that Marquis Goodwin and Pierre Gosson have done a complete crossfade.

[Jason Moore]

They have.

[Andy Holloway]

They've gone freaky Friday.

[Mike Wright]

Switch bodies.

[Andy Holloway]

They have switched bodies. They have switched draft prices. So Garcon was what about a six round pick? So I'm just.

[Mike Wright]

You're throwing it out there.

[Jason Moore]

Nine to six, I'm going to say because I, you know, when I was calling for the busts, I know that Marquis Goodwin was shockingly high. I think he was top of the fifth round. 501.

[Mike Wright]

501 is where he's at.

[Andy Holloway]

5.

[Jason Moore]

That's what I mean. Like look, Goodwin has had a great preseason. Some, you know, he might be, he.

[Mike Wright]

Might be worth that price.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I'm all guys. I am, I am. All aboard.

[Mike Wright]

You are?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, with Marquis Garrett.

[Mike Wright]

He passes the eye test to me in the way that he's used. And yes, you're right. Pierre Garcon from the seventh to the ninth round in that same time span he was involved. Pierre Garcon was involved this last game. But he is certainly taking a backseat to first read.

[Andy Holloway]

To be fair, the big play of Pierre Garcon was even admittedly by him a target to Marquise Goodman. I don't know what happened. He stole it. Where Garcon just happened to be. Someone ran a route wrong or there was a poorly designed play because Garcon was crossing the same time. He just was a little bit in front of Goodwin. So he snatched the ball.

[Jason Moore]

Kidding me. That's a great design play. It's like you just throw it in this area. You got two guys to get it.

[Mike Wright]

What about Marshawn Lynch? Where's Marshawn lynch going? He was well his seventh round pick.

[Andy Holloway]

He got that fantasy hitman bump.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah. You've been a big Marshawn lynch fan.

[Jason Moore]

He's one of your my guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. I love Marshawn and if he's going in the fifth round, it's still a deal. If he's going in the fourth round, I'm still happy with that price.

[Jason Moore]

I'm pretty confident he's fifth round. Like I think he's going probably just after Goodwin.

[Mike Wright]

505.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, five.

[Andy Holloway]

That's still delightful.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, Carlos Hyde. This is a great talk about him on this show today. He was an 8th round pick at the beginning of the month.

[Andy Holloway]

Because things have gone very, very well for Mr. Carlos Hyde over this off season. He has a stranglehold on the starting position. Nick Chubb, at least for now.

[Mike Wright]

There's been almost no jackal at all.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. All Hyde, all hide. No more Mr. Nice Hide.

[Mike Wright]

Wow.

[Jason Moore]

One out of two. I like the Jekyll and I. I like the Jekyll and Hyde reference, man.

[Mike Wright]

So you like mine, you didn't like Mike's?

[Jason Moore]

I guess I haven't heard a ton. That is correct. I guess I haven't heard a ton on Hyde. Even though we were talking about him before. Before we hit these mic switches on about how much we like him. I'm going to say seventh then.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I'm going higher. He's a starting running back and oh, he's a fantastic. He's getting the hard knocks bump as well. The Browns are the hotness, man.

[Mike Wright]

508.

[Andy Holloway]

Got to get all those Browns players, bless them. Yeah, well, Carson Wentz, you better hope for some holy water on those draft prices.

[Mike Wright]

Carson Wentz was the a back of the sixth round pick. Where do you think he's going now?

[Jason Moore]

I think with where he should have.

[Andy Holloway]

Been going in the first place.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. The fears of him missing. He's got to be 9th, 10th round. I'm going to say. I'm going to give people credit and say tenth round.

[Mike Wright]

You are incorrect. Eighth round. Early eighth. Here's the thing. Carson Wentz went entirely undrafted in our league of record. Draft? Yeah, he was picked up the next day on the waiver wire, but he did not, he did not get drafted.

[Jason Moore]

I don't, I don't, I don't blame us. I don't blame our league. I mean, the reality is now for some leagues, that would be ridiculous because in a lot of leagues, your home league, everybody's drafted two quarterbacks. So you're talking 24 quarterbacks off the board. We don't recommend that. And obviously our league listens to our show. So it's usually 12 to 14 quarterbacks are rostered. And look, if you don't know a guy starting week one, how are you going to. You have to roster two quarterbacks.

[Andy Holloway]

On top of that, his number one wide receiver, Alison Jeffrey, had some news break that we'll get into in just a little bit.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we'll do one more player. Trey Burton, he was, he was the middle of the 8th round pick. I've seen a lot of our listeners rosters from this past week of drafting. There is a smattering of them all about all over my Twitter.

[Andy Holloway]

Trey Burton.

[Mike Wright]

And I'm seeing Burton in the eighth and ninth in some of these leagues and I'm just like, beautiful.

[Andy Holloway]

Trey Burton's going to win people leagues. I think he's going strongly believe back.

[Mike Wright]

Of the sixth, you'd be right middle of the sixth.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. I liked it better with the eighth. The sixth round is.

[Mike Wright]

We may be calling it.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Price, as Mike would say, trey boom bump.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, Trey boom boom.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Some weeks you're going to get the trey boom boom and it's going to be good. Here we go.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league.

[Mike Wright]

Now that we're legally permitted to talk about news because we hit that drop. Yes, we can talk about the Alshon Jeffrey news. Adam Schefter tweeted that he's expected to miss at least, at least the first two games of the season. Alshon Jeffrey, Eagles wide receiver. Opportunities abound for people behind him now. He could still be a PUP candidate. Right.

[Jason Moore]

I think that's what this news is, is that he's going to avoid the pup, but he's going to miss a few games. So it's one of those where you would assume, since they're saying at least two, you're saying it's probably going to be missed two to five games, you know, because they want him back before, obviously if he was going to miss six games, they would just put him on the pop.

[Andy Holloway]

And if you are just jumping back into the football season, one welcome to the show. And you're going. What happened to our Sean Jeffrey? He had surgery on his shoulder and apparently he played with a torn rotator cuff all of last year. Got the surgery. And this, it's. It's troublesome for not only Wentz, but for Alshon. It's a huge opportunity now for Nelson Aguilar, Mike Wallace.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, Mike Wallace might be a sneaky DFS play.

[Jason Moore]

That's who got the largest bump in my rankings because I expect him to actually have that. You know, Aguilar's role was kind of already there. I think Wallace's role is going to change to get a bump up, especially those first two weeks. And this was nerds.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Deep league sleeper. Shelton Gibson, too.

[Andy Holloway]

Ooh, ooh. Going deep.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's been. I think Shelton Gibson is the preseason leader in yards.

[Jason Moore]

Really? Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Or he's in the top five for sure. So sometimes it's interesting to look at those numbers, the preseason numbers for sleeper candidates. And what's ironic about that is that Tyree Kill is in the top five in yards even though he's barely playing. So we'll talk about him today, too. Adam Thielen had a feeling in his left leg and it wasn't a good one. He limped off the practice field, according to beat reporter Andrew Kramer. No cause for long term concern for Adam Thielen. There was some short term concern when we got the news yesterday.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Because this happens, right? I mean, preseason injury, players banged up. Especially when you talk about issues that, you know, have a chance of re injury. We don't know much more. But he's supposed to not be out long term.

[Jason Moore]

No. This is something you have to monitor. We just don't know enough. We don't even know what the specific injury was. Was it a. Was it a hamstring? You know, was it a calf?

[Andy Holloway]

Was it a. Was a. Did he bang his shin?

[Mike Wright]

That's the worst. I doubt that. I doubt that.

[Jason Moore]

Maybe those shin splints, those are real people.

[Mike Wright]

I haven't banged my shin really hard and since I was a child. I think that's when I evolved. I don't have the opportunity anymore.

[Andy Holloway]

Really.

[Mike Wright]

I just don't do things that I can bang my shin.

[Andy Holloway]

You've never got a coffee table right in the midsection.

[Mike Wright]

In the midsection of your shin.

[Jason Moore]

I was with you, Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

It's the worst.

[Mike Wright]

Not lately.

[Andy Holloway]

You're not walking strong enough.

[Mike Wright]

What does that even mean? All right, Doug Baldwin. Shame on you, Doug Baldwin. Put the fear. Put the Fear into people yesterday. And if you listen to Doug Baldwin's press conference, he hadn't talked to the press in a while. He hasn't played in the preseason. He has very limited reps with the new offense. And he came out and said, look, well, first he said he hasn't been 100% since he was born.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, I'm glad that you are aware of that part of it.

[Mike Wright]

But then he basically said, look, he's like 80, 85% the injury that he's dealing with is going to persist in and through the season. And look, Doug Baldwin's not likely to be 100% at all this year. Whether that means he's going to be a contributing fantasy member to your team or not. And to what degree. Look, I'm. It's not good. It's not good to me.

[Andy Holloway]

No. And now. So let's take a look at the value currently of Doug Baldwin. Because I was with Jason, I like, I like that he was dropping. I was going to buy in for Doug Baldwin in the middle of the third, but now we're looking at him on fantasy football calculator at the 306. But he is currently sandwiched between Ty Hilton and Adam Thielen. And so Jason as the man who was all about he or Bowdy.

[Jason Moore]

Bowdy.

[Andy Holloway]

That Doug Baldwin, injury, life, Ty Hilton.

[Jason Moore]

Adam Thielen would both be selected over Doug Baldwin as of this moment. I mean, you can't ignore the news. I have been constantly like, yes, I mean we get just non stop tweets, how'd I do? And I see Baldwin in the fourth very frequently in the fourth round.

[Andy Holloway]

I think in home weeks he could drop further.

[Jason Moore]

I think at that point, you know, if you're taking him, if you're going to ask me, okay, Josh Gordon and his upside or Doug Baldwin, I'm still taking Doug Baldwin without a doubt. But if you've got other great options, you know, like what I see in Ty Hilton, he's a perennial top 10 wide receiver. With Andrew Luck, then, yeah, I'm going to take, I'm going to take the other great options over Baldwin for fear of the knee.

[Mike Wright]

All right, well, we'll talk a little bit more about that. Let's go ahead and get into.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, we got some hype train.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, you wanted to mention the trade.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I wanted to mention the big piece of news that broke. If you happen to watch Hardline, never.

[Mike Wright]

Going to stop this.

[Andy Holloway]

If you happen to watch Hard Knocks, the big piece of breaking news for me was name Gate continues. Oh, yeah, how do we deal with the quarterback? Because, look, I want to get someone's name right.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, that's. That's important to me. I want to respect you if. Is it Tyrod? Is it to Rod?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. We had been saying Corey Clement. It's Clement.

[Andy Holloway]

And so I want to, like. Yeah, I take great respect in getting your name right. And then. So everyone had made the switch to. To Rod.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Even on Hard Knocks, the announcer called him to Rod. But then Tyrod went into the press conference and said, hey, my name is Tyrod. So I. I don't. I don't even know what to do anymore.

[Jason Moore]

I think if he is.

[Mike Wright]

I think we go back.

[Jason Moore]

I think we have to go back. We go back to official stamp.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, Tyrod Taylor.

[Andy Holloway]

He said it.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So he said it's his Tyrod.

[Mike Wright]

It's his fault.

[Andy Holloway]

I just. I don't know what to do. My head is spinning.

[Mike Wright]

He's been Tyrod for years, everywhere. Then you get all thrown into a tizzy, and then he calls himself Tyrod. We just stay there.

[Jason Moore]

All right?

[Andy Holloway]

We're going back.

[Mike Wright]

We got enough Camaras and Clements to worry about. We don't need to work to Rod, to Rod in there.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, Tyrod, we got it. We got you, buddy.

[Mike Wright]

I will only switch to Rod if he calls me, comes on the show, and tells me to.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. All right.

[Mike Wright]

He's Tyrod.

[Andy Holloway]

The invitation is open, Mr. Taylor.

[Mike Wright]

All right, let's talk about some preseason lessons, guys. This is going to be kind of open discussion, open debate. We'll take a turn each to kind of talk about the things that we are pulling out of the preseason. What are the good vibes? What are the bad vibes? And we'll start with the good vibes. And we'll start with a player that I have disparaged. Less on the player level, more on the team level. But I have to acknowledge good vibes, and that is Kenyan Drake. Oh, and the capstone of those good vibes came this morning when Adam Gay said, look, ideally, in a perfect world, he's getting 15 to 20 rushes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

And a handful of receptions per game. And look, I don't like the Miami situation. I don't think they're a great team. I have seen great talent from Drake in the preseason. He's been an explosive player. He's overcome the offensive line, reverse field, gone the other direction, been dynamic out of the backfield. If Adam Gase means what he says, it means a lot for fantasy owners, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. I truly believe that it does. The thing about Kenyon Drake's talents is.

[Mike Wright]

I got a Drake man.

[Andy Holloway]

That'S like a dragon.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh yeah. Is the offensive line is. Well, it remains to be seen. But what I know about Kenyon Drake is if an opportunity arises in a play and there actually is a crease for him to go to, he's gonna find it and he's going to, he's going to break off a big play.

[Mike Wright]

Well, this is not, here's the thing about Drake that I have to acknowledge. This is not an Isaiah Crowell situation where you hype up Crowell before last year. But then the team doesn't get a lot of offensive plays and they don't get a lot of opportunities in the lead to give them first and second down work. Drake is going to work on third down.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

And so he's more matchup proof, game script proof. Now he's not injury proof. That hasn't been his history and he's not Frank Gore proof. And that could still be a problem. But the vibes, the vibes right now are very positive for Kenyan Drake. So I, I want to bring that out there. And I know, Jason, you've been, you started the offseason as a Drake fan. You acknowledge the complications that exist in that backfield with Gore, Bellage team, et cetera. But Drake, the vibes are good.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And the preseason is, has, you know, look, I know that they have, they've rested Frank Gore, so we haven't really seen that split. But what we did see this preseason was Drake full on, same player as second half of last year where he was dominating for fantasy football. And eventually as a coach, you have to go, this player gives me the best chance to win. And I don't always assume that coaches are going to make the right decision. I think that's important. You have to, you have to look at their own history and realize that they might not have the same eyes that you have. But when it is this large, when the gap is okay, you have a player who's dominating left, right and center and you're an offensive minded coach that has a history of capitalizing on your weapons like Adam Gase does. I now believe he will get the work. And I've said from the get go, if he gets the work, if he gets over 200 carries, he's a top 12 running back.

[Mike Wright]

Well, Adam Gase wants to play fast. He wants to have an offense out there getting, they want to be at the top half of the league and plays drawn. Now you want a lot of things and you may not get them, but that's the ambition.

[Andy Holloway]

It really puts a damper on, on pulling the lever and getting triple sevens at the Bellagio.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

If Kenya Drake is out there, Caleb.

[Mike Wright]

Blige will only benefit and have an opportunity if there's injury ahead of him. I've seen every, every draft I've been a part of this year. Frank Gore has dropped tremendously. I don't think anybody wants to drop or wants to draft him because they know that the ceiling there isn't high. Another good vibe I want to bring forward, it's the Tyree Kill, Pat Mahomes oh connection. Now they have a hard schedule to start the year. We've talked about it, but boy, when you have speed, you've seen this with Goodwin, okay? There's similarities between Tyree Kill and Marquise Goodwin in size and in speed. When you have speed and then you evolve as a route runner, it changes the game for your quarterback. And Tyreek Hill has the take the top off speed and ends up always open. I mean, he's been a number one read all, all off season long. And ultimately Pat Mahomes has fallen in love with him. And assuming he can stay healthy, the vibes are very, very good for Tyree Kill. In less than a half, 8 for 88 the other day with a carry, you know, you get the Percy Harvin esque carrier to a game from Tyreek Hill on top of big playability, touchdown ability. And if he becomes that possession guy for Pat Mahomes, He's a top 10 candidate.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And to kind of just pair with that. You mentioned it, but Pat Mahomes has just impressed the heck out of me this preseason from the vantage point of fantasy football. He is utilizing his weapons when he's out there with Kelsey and Hill and you know, even in the running game with Hunt, I mean Pat Mahomes is going to be putting up fantasy points. I've moved him to where he's almost a QB one now for this coming season. I mean it's. I don't love his early season schedule, but I really am a believer in Pat Mahomes. And I'm also jealous, Andy, that you have him now in Dynasty.

[Mike Wright]

I also have him in our league.

[Andy Holloway]

Of record diving into his reception. Perception data provided by Matt Harmon for the ultimate draft kit. In the sample last year he had a 70% contested catch conversion rate, which is tremendous. And here's what, here's why Tyreek Hill currently cannot be guarded. He posted a 93rd percentile. So mathematically extremely good success rate against press coverage. If you can't stop Tyreek Hill at the line, you have little to no chance of actually guarding him.

[Mike Wright]

14 receptions, 182 yards and a touchdown in the preseason. Pat Mahomes has gone 31 for 43 for 367 yards and two touchdowns in the preseason. The vibes are good.

[Andy Holloway]

They are.

[Mike Wright]

They're excellent in Kansas City. So we'll move on to some other good vibe candidates from my compadres. But first I want to thank NFL Game Pass. If you want to go watch Tyreek light the world on fire, it's very easy with NFL Game Pass. Top rookies, all the comeback players you want to check out Kirk Cousins, whether he can take the Vikings up another level, whether Jordy Nelson will fit in in the Raiders wide receiver core and help Derek Carr become that top 12 guy. I think he can be. You want to watch a little Baker Mayfield? You can do it on NFL Game Pass. Look, I'm excited for the season. We all are. And NFL Game Pass makes it simple and easy, especially if you're out of market to watch whatever game you want. We've been going through reviewing the tape for this preseason lessons.

[Jason Moore]

It's all through Game Pass and it's.

[Mike Wright]

All through Game Pass. They have condensed games which makes it very, very quick in the preseason to go through and see all the main reps from the main guys. And best of all, you can kick off the 2018 NFL season with a seven day free trial of NFL Game Pass. All you have to do is sign up [e-mail] fantasy footballers. That's it. Game on.

[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Mike Wright]

All right, which one of you wants to share one of your good vibe players or situations or what vibes are percolating?

[Jason Moore]

Sure. You know, I want to hop in with two rookie tight ends last season that got a lot of hype. They were, you know, last year's. If you, if you're new this season to fantasy football or you weren't listening last year, Last year's rookie tight end class was one of the best rookie tight end classes in a long time. Now we saw the breakout of Evan Ingram, but you might have forgotten about how good David Njoku was, how good O.J. howard, first round tight ends, those guys, those, the three of them, this was like a generational class for a position. But we said last year, O.J. howard was in our bust list last season because look, rookie tight ends so rarely break out. But that doesn't mean that they don't break out. It just means they don't break out that year. And in this preseason, David And Joku and O.J. howard have said, we're here, they're running routes, they're catching balls. Njoku's gotten a lot more play because he's getting touchdowns right now in the preseason. But when I watched this last game with the Buccaneers, there were three times I was like, oh man, who was that? Oh, that was O.J. howard. Oh, man, wow. Who was that? Oh, that was O.J. howard. Oh, who did that? Oh, that was O.J. howard. He's a beast. And I flipped him. And Cameron Brait. I realize Cameron Braid is usually the more pass catching tight end. O.J. howard, such a great run blocking tight end that he's utilized in that way a little bit more often, which isn't great for fantasy. But I saw them. I mean, we've talked about this for years.

[Mike Wright]

One of the things difficult when you have two pass catchers.

[Jason Moore]

One of the things that we have garnered the most successfully from preseason's past is the tight end usage. How are tight ends being used? Are they actually running routes when you hope they are? And that's what I was noticing with both of those guys. You've got in Joku, who last season was on the field less than half the time. And in preseason with the starters, it's pretty much every single snap now and O.J. howard actually getting down the field. So those two guys have moved up my. My boards this preseason.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm all about David and Joku. I think it can be a top 12 tight end. I am less enthusiastic about Howard myself. I'd love to get Mike's take on it, only because Brait, even this preseason has more receptions than Howard does. But Howard is.

[Jason Moore]

He's.

[Mike Wright]

He's the more explosive athlete, big play. And even if you increase, like, if you increase his workload, if you take that next step for a rookie titan with his ability, if you don't do it, if you don't run him out there and involve him in the passing games, you're stupid. That's a stupid decision from an offensive coordinator perspective because he can do things that now Break can do things well, but he can do things Break can't do.

[Jason Moore]

Right. There was one of those plays when I was like, oh, who's that? It's. I caught the ball now. Ha ha. Trying to tackle me.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's just running.

[Jason Moore]

His guys are like, you know, it's. It's like a man among boys out there. He's. He. He's a beast. And I will say this if you could.

[Mike Wright]

Howard or Joku? Mike, who do you have a better feel for?

[Andy Holloway]

Man, if I'm choosing between the two, that's really, really tough, I suppose. Eileen in Joku, currently, the problem, of course, in Cleveland is once Josh Gordon is back, you have a lot of fantastic options to catch passes. But if Tyrod holds on to the starting job, we've seen him lean on the tight end. We've also seen Jameis Winston lean on the tight end. Last year in O.J. howard's final five games, he had three touchdowns, three games over 50 yards.

[Jason Moore]

He just.

[Andy Holloway]

He makes big plays.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. Yes, he does. I would still definitely take in Joku over Howard for a lot of the reasons laid out. But also in addition, the fact that the first three games you don't have Jameis Winston and Ryan Fitzpatrick. He really has just never been a tight end targeter and you want has other weapons to use.

[Andy Holloway]

So you want your tight end to get off to a hot start as well. I'm going to throw up my good vibe. Wide receiver Chris Hogan for the New England Patriots. And why are vibes so good for Chris Hogan? Because he's apparently gone full Hollywood. Hogan and he's getting people kicked out of town. He says, you're not good enough for this team. You're not good enough for this team.

[Mike Wright]

Please retire. Please retire.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, he's not asking please. He is demanding. Chris Hogan has taken over the situation. Hey, Eric, in New England, you're gonna.

[Jason Moore]

Walk in there, you're gonna say, I'm done.

[Andy Holloway]

Next day.

[Jason Moore]

Eric, Eric, Eric Decker's gone.

[Mike Wright]

What do you do to Jordan Matthews?

[Andy Holloway]

Who knows? Who knows what Chris Hogan is up to over there? He is. Just recall what Chris Hogan was early on last season, which was a top 10 wide receiver. Julian Edelman is suspended for four games. We love players getting off to a hot start. Eric Decker's gone. Jordan Matthews is gone. As of right now, Philip Dorsett, the ghost of Philip Dorsett is the number two wide receiver for this team.

[Jason Moore]

It's the only wide receiver Chris Hogan accepts. Chris Hogan said, hey, you're my bud. You're. You're across the field from me.

[Andy Holloway]

You're cool.

[Jason Moore]

But it's been a good. It's been a good offseason for both of those guys because of what you're saying. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And what did we used to call.

[Mike Wright]

Fred Jackson, the depth chart assassin? Hogan's taking a page.

[Andy Holloway]

Chris Hogan is kind of. The thing about Hogan, though, is he's not had to work up. He was already at the top. He has just established.

[Mike Wright]

Why is he so insecure?

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, he's good, man. Don't worry about Chris Hogan. He's gonna.

[Jason Moore]

He was first in the middle. He was first in the middle seat on the airplane, and he put those.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh. He grabbed both armrests.

[Jason Moore]

He grabbed both armrests, established dominance, and said, this is mine.

[Andy Holloway]

He went, this is. This is how ba. Chris Hogan is. He sits down in the middle seat. He grabs both elbow rests. People don't even bother to sit down on the aisle or the window.

[Jason Moore]

This is my road.

[Andy Holloway]

They want no part of Chris hobby.

[Mike Wright]

Didn't you have somebody give you grief on the airplane recently?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my God. Goodness. I had just a wicked old lady.

[Mike Wright]

So we had this time when we both. We get on an airplane and Jason and I have the window seat in the same. On the plane. And I asked Jason to switch sides.

[Jason Moore]

Only two people in the aisle right then.

[Mike Wright]

And I was like, hey, do you mind if I sit on that side? I don't know why.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you just wanted the window on your right.

[Mike Wright]

I just wanted the window on that side.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, I don't care.

[Mike Wright]

And Jason's like, sure. But then it starts Getting into his head. Well, what if, like, he gets dealt the wrong hand?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, what I did. I was sitting there. I was sitting there minding my own business, up against the window.

[Andy Holloway]

Here comes Chris Hogan.

[Jason Moore]

Just sitting there, just barely. And then this woman who's in the middle, who comes, she's reading her newspaper and she's all razzled and frazzled and she's huffing and puffing and she looks and she goes, you know, I'm gonna have to say it. You need to be on your side of the chair. And I was blown. I was like, jaw down, like, what are you? I looked down at my arm and I went, I am. I mean, I guess my elbow was like a centimeter over her spot.

[Andy Holloway]

Were you at the front of the armrest or the back?

[Jason Moore]

I was near the back of the armrest trying to beat. And then the rest of the flight. And look, I'm a wider guy, right? We've established this. Love the foods. The rest of the flight, I am doing this, like, smush myself over to the window, make sure my elbow.

[Mike Wright]

Self conscious of your space.

[Andy Holloway]

You should not have given this woman the satisfaction.

[Jason Moore]

Look, this woman was named Chris Hogan.

[Andy Holloway]

And so back to the point. Is Chris Hogan, Rob Gronkowski. Things are trending in a very positive, positive direction when it comes to catching touchdowns from Tom Brady.

[Mike Wright]

I want to bring up something that may have a very far reaching impact on the fantasy season, and that is the good vibe surrounding the Seahawks offensive line. One thing that you know about offensive lines now, you can have preseason projections about how they're going to perform, and the, you know, pro football focus can come out and say they don't think that they're very good O line because that's based on, you know, independent evaluation and grading individual players across that offensive line. But the one thing that Seattle shown in the preseason is a continuity that now exists because they played together last year. You can have a bad individual grade, but if you play together as an offensive line, that can be sometimes more effective than just bringing in different parts and having them play together for the first time. And whatever we're seeing right now, look, we've. We've been conditioning our love of Russell Westbrook. We've been conditioning our Wilson basketball. Yeah, I was moving on to the next point a little too quick. We've conditioned our love of Russell Wilson. We've conditioned our excitement for both Chris Carson or Rashad Penny and that offense all on a offensive line.

[Andy Holloway]

We got breaking news that could struggle. Breaking news. Hit the button.

[Jason Moore]

Relevant.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Breaking News now.

[Andy Holloway]

Brooks, where did this come from?

[Mike Wright]

Let me check.

[Jason Moore]

Sleeper.

[Andy Holloway]

Sleeper gave me. All right. Mike Garofalo.

[Mike Wright]

Well, tweeted out.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know why Andy so disappointed. Because the Seahawks have signed Tyler Lockett to a three year extension. A $32 million extension. Is this real? Wow.

[Jason Moore]

Good for you. Tyler Lockett. What? This is Ben Cummins. MVP this season. Huge breakout possibility with everything going wrong with Doug Baldwin. Everything going right with Seattle's offensive line.

[Andy Holloway]

Andy, why are you so disappointed by this?

[Mike Wright]

Four minutes ago, I dropped Tyler Lockett to pick up a kicker.

[Jason Moore]

Get bodied.

[Mike Wright]

Four minutes ago I had to make a decision on my league of record bench for a week one kicker.

[Jason Moore]

Excuse me.

[Mike Wright]

Tyler Lockett.

[Andy Holloway]

Who did you keep instead of Tyler Lockett, who did you keep?

[Mike Wright]

Well, clearly Adam Vinatieri.

[Andy Holloway]

No, you had to. You have to get a kicker. That's fine. But who did you keep over Tyler Lockett?

[Mike Wright]

Dante Moncrief.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, that's fine.

[Jason Moore]

I will say that.

[Mike Wright]

Jordan Wilkins.

[Andy Holloway]

I know you got to hold on to Wilkins.

[Mike Wright]

Calvin Benjamin. Corey Clement.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And Pat Mahomes.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, I get it. Oh, Mahomes.

[Jason Moore]

If Pat Mahomes is your second quarterback, is he your second quarterback? Yeah. Yeah. Then Pat Mahomes should have been punted. Should have drop kicked him like Baxter off the bridge.

[Mike Wright]

You want to know why? You want. You want to know why I did Baxter? I didn't do that because I have Tyree Kill and I wanted to see.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you want that stack?

[Mike Wright]

I want week one or two to see what I got. And I was the last person draft a quarterback. So.

[Jason Moore]

Well, let this be. You know, I mean, just because he.

[Mike Wright]

Gets paid money doesn't mean he's going to be. No, but everything and a bag of chips, as the kids say.

[Andy Holloway]

But it means that the team, after all of the struggles of Tyler Lockett, with his health not really producing on the football field, the Seahawks think that their future. They're blaming. They're blaming the struggles on just injury and.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And let this be a lesson. When you adopt the strategy, which we love the strategy, if you don't have to have a defense and a kicker, grab some of these other guys. But usually you want to hold on to those guys right up until the end because you know, something happens even in practice leading up to that last.

[Mike Wright]

Week, 20 million guaranteed max value of 37.8 million.

[Andy Holloway]

You lock it. Congratulations.

[Mike Wright]

All righty.

[Jason Moore]

That's a good vibe from the preseason.

[Andy Holloway]

It is. Speaking of the opposite of good vibes, it's time to talk about bad vibes.

[Mike Wright]

It is. It is. I got a drop for that. Let's start with Cameron Meredith. It seems like the depth chart in New Orleans is that's a Saints wide receiver. Yes. For those that is entirely unsettled, outside of Michael Thomas, also known as Michael Thomas. Michael Thomas.

[Andy Holloway]

I think Ted Ginn has. His role is established.

[Jason Moore]

Trey Quan Smith say what?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I mean, right now you're seeing. Yeah, maybe you can say Ted Ginn is established, but they spent a third round pick on Trey Kwan Smith, who's been one of the highlights of the preseason.

[Andy Holloway]

He has.

[Mike Wright]

You have Austin Carr, who's been involved. You have Cameron Meredith coming over from. You know, he had a very productive season in Chicago before the injury, but I just think the vibes right now. Cameron Meredith has caught zero passes on 48 preseason snaps and he's going to get a lot of preseason week four work. According to head coach Sean Payton, Cameron Meredith does not look like any sort of guaranteed value late in the draft.

[Andy Holloway]

I, yeah, I completely agree. It was. It's unfortunate. But Cam Meredith was. He was up against it. He had a devastating knee injury that he had to recover from. Then he was changing teams. The opportunity was tremendous. If you, if you establish yourself as the number two wide receiver for Drew Brees, Sean Payton and the New Orleans Saints and I mean, that's huge news for your fantasy value, but it's just. It's not going to happen.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean, he's one of those players because of the injury that you have to have watched preseason and he's got to prove it to you and he hasn't. So, you know, you then have to assume that he's not going to break out come week one at least. Maybe it's going to take him a little bit more time to get fully recovered, get integrated into the new offense. And look, we've talked about when wide receivers change teams, the difficult nature for that first year. Sammy Watkins hasn't looked that great coming over year one. That could be another bad vibe right now. And Cam Meredith, we only talk about the injury, but we need to realize he's switching teams, new offense, all that in addition to coming back off of that injury, A lashon. Jeffrey or. No, that was not who I want to say. Alan Robinson, the injury and the team switch.

[Mike Wright]

All right, Mike, what do you think? Where are some bad vibes?

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

What's giving you the shakes? What wakes you up and sure, you know, gets you scared.

[Andy Holloway]

And he's my guy. I still stand by him being My guy for the long haul of the season. But at least right now, you got to admit there's some bad vibes for Royce Freeman with Vance Joseph coming out and saying that Devontae Booker is the starter. Apparently Royce Freeman may play in preseason week four, which is absolutely ridiculous.

[Mike Wright]

We need to bring up Phil Lindsey's name too.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. And I'm fine with Lindsay. The situation is just if this is now going to be a three headed running back committee, at least for the first part of the season, that's very unfortunate for Royce Freeman. Booker was heavily involved in preseason, getting snaps, getting carries. Royce Freeman was the more explosive player. He's better. When you break down the metrics of yards after contact, just making. Making big things happen at the running back position, that was all Royce Freeman. I still 100% believe Royce Freeman will be the man. But when you're taking a running back in the third of the fourth round, you're expecting him to produce right away. So you got to have the bad vibes. Unfortunately, that's going to take some time for Freeman to establish himself as the starter.

[Jason Moore]

It shouldn't, but. Yeah, right.

[Andy Holloway]

It shouldn't, but here's where we are.

[Mike Wright]

That's the way the NFL works. Yep. Jason.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. I'm going to highlight two defenses, two team defenses that have looked so bad, oh my goodness, preseason that it's really boggled my mind.

[Mike Wright]

Maybe some very good week one matchup.

[Jason Moore]

Exactly.

[Mike Wright]

Streamer type decisions could be made based off of this.

[Jason Moore]

100%. I mean, I will be looking to target. So like the Bengals are another sort of bad vibe to me because their offensive line, man, I've been focused on their offensive line. I wanted them to get better and they just haven't shown me enough improvement for everything that I wanted. But they get Indy week one and so their offensive line is going to be great because the Colts defense not only up front, but also their secondary, I mean there's just. It's just a train wreck. I think that the Indy defense, they do not have enough pieces right now.

[Mike Wright]

Vonte Davis was the one torched by John Ross.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, he was. They don't have enough pieces right now to show. And Kansas City, the Chiefs have done their best job to make Indy's defense look terrific because the Chiefs were torched by the Bears. Second string players.

[Andy Holloway]

We got there. Look, the Chiefs.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, the Bears didn't even play starter. No.

[Jason Moore]

And they were.

[Andy Holloway]

The Chiefs made Chase Daniel. Chase Daniel look fantastic. The man. The man was 15 for 18, almost 200 yards and two touchdowns. 150 passer rating. This is not trending.

[Jason Moore]

It wasn't just that game. It's the whole preseason. They lost a lot of pieces on their defense.

[Mike Wright]

We brought this up, though, as a reason to like Pat Mahomes.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

And because if you're in that situation where you are constantly, like, of all the players and all the coaches to air it out, to keep it up, they have the tools to keep up. They have the players to keep up. Mahomes could be a. He could lead the league in passing.

[Jason Moore]

That's the thing. That's the thing. You have to differentiate. A lot of times people say, oh, you don't want. You don't want garbage time, production, because how did you get there? You got there by sucking. Completely agree. You don't want garbage time. But when you have a good offense with a bad defense, it's not garbage time. It's trying to win a game. You're in the game, you've been in the game. It's what the argument that I make of Drew Brees from years past where their offense was terrific, but their defense sucked. And that made a lot, a lot of fantasy owners happy. You wanted Saints players years, you know, week in, week out, year in, year out. And I think we, we very well might see that this year with the Chiefs.

[Mike Wright]

Here's some bad vibes. The Eagles offense in general, and I wrote down for the first half of the season, because who you start in week one, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Who you playing? Zach Ertz and no one else. There's no one else you can have confidence in, whether it's Ajay or Clement.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, they're missing so much of the.

[Mike Wright]

That's my point.

[Andy Holloway]

First team offense.

[Mike Wright]

That's my point. The bad vibes is there aren't people to play there. There hasn't been production. And then when week one comes around, it's all right.

[Jason Moore]

They have Foals.

[Mike Wright]

You don't know if Carson Wentz will be in there now. You know, Jeffrey won't be in there. You don't know what's wrong with the Jahi. You don't know how healthy and capable Darren Sprouls is or how healthy and capable Corey Clement is. You don't know how Mike Wallace is going to acclimate. You don't know how Nelson Aguilar is going to be. So to me, there's just so many. I think that there's just some unsettled problems that are going to persist for the first part of the year. I think if you can figure that out, and you head into week four, five, six, seven and eight, they're going to figure it out. Doug Peterson will take care of business. But this is a team that spreads the ball around. I don't like the vibes in Philadelphia.

[Jason Moore]

And again, in addition to all the injuries, they also did lose their offensive coordinator and their quarterback coach. This is a new team of coaches for the offensive side of the ball. I mean I told Andy this yesterday, you know, on the on our bold predictions show. I'm three years running picking a team that's going to seriously disappoint. In fantasy, Philly is who I wanted to pick except their ADPs were so low. You know, Carson Wentz is wouldn't have.

[Mike Wright]

Been as impactful for our listeners.

[Jason Moore]

Exactly. But that's who I am really not liking the offensive outlook for the season.

[Andy Holloway]

So I have a question here for Jason Moore resident Marcus Mariota. Truther, how's your vibes on the Tennessee Titans, my man?

[Jason Moore]

Well, so here's the thing. Water is healthy for you and I've gotten a big glass of, of salt water. And so yeah, it hasn't, it hasn't hydrated me the way that I was hoping.

[Andy Holloway]

You thought you were getting some electrolytes. You've heard that salt, right?

[Jason Moore]

You got to store that water. Look, I will say this. I think there have been legitimately both good vibes and bad vibes with the Titans. There have been things that you've seen in the running game that look great in the offense. You know, in this preseason that looked good. Tayuan Taylor has looked good. Marcus Mariota, week one looked good. But the last couple weeks the problem specifically has been with Mariota and his accuracy. That is scary. Reminiscent of some of what I last year. Exactly. It's so.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean it looks like this is.

[Jason Moore]

One where I don't want to overreact.

[Andy Holloway]

He looks like himself.

[Jason Moore]

I don't want to come to a conclusion based on preseason, but it's something that you hold on to and you get a little worried and you pay close attention to. In these first two weeks things are.

[Mike Wright]

A little rocky for those back to back picks from that draft class. Winston and Mario. Yes, they are the path forward. Like would you rather, let me ask you this, would you rather have Darnold or Mariota right now as a franchise?

[Andy Holloway]

Wow.

[Jason Moore]

Darnold.

[Andy Holloway]

So the unknown of Darnold.

[Jason Moore]

Darnold to me was a much better prospect than Mario to coming out of College.

[Mike Wright]

You've got 40 years.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a really hard question. And then on top of that I mean, you're coming to the point where you have to make the decision on are you going to pay Mariota?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Oh, man, I think I'd rather have Darnold.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a crazy hard question. Crazy hard question.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. That you haven't answered.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's my answer.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a very difficult question. I quit.

[Mike Wright]

Jordan Reed.

[Jason Moore]

Jordan Reed has been a bad vibe because, look, the issue has always been, is he on the field or not? And yeah, you go, well, he hasn't shown anything, but that's the problem. I need to see him playing football. His floppy toes aren't getting on the.

[Andy Holloway]

Field, they're just blowing in the wind.

[Jason Moore]

So, yeah, I mean, look, I don't want. I would never. Right now I'm. Jordan Reed is undraftable. I'm not going to stash him and I'm not going to play in week one. So maybe you out there draft them.

[Andy Holloway]

Have the courage, Jason, maybe you.

[Jason Moore]

Well, it would be you, Mike, because you love Jordan Reed. Maybe you draft him late, you get a value. Week one, he's on the field and he's great. I'm not taking that risk. There's just no reason. I don't see enough reason to do it.

[Mike Wright]

So Jordan Reed or David Njoku in Joku? Jordan Reed or Ricky Seals Jones?

[Jason Moore]

Ricky Seals.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I. Look, I get it. I would get it. You can't live on the name. Jordan Reed is a name now. 8th round, he's a name. Hasn't had over 600 yards in multiple three years now. Something like that. Let's. Let's help out the Foot Clan. Let's get into the mailbag.

[Jason Moore]

Mailbag. Mailbag.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. All right.

[Andy Holloway]

In one year, Andy, just so you're aware, last year he did not surpass 600 yards, but the year before he.

[Mike Wright]

Did 600 and he was in the 600s.

[Andy Holloway]

In 2016, he had 686 yards.

[Jason Moore]

Hasn't surpassed that in more than two years. Fair.

[Andy Holloway]

I want. You got me. Dang it.

[Mike Wright]

If you have a question for the show, go to the Fantasy footballers dot com, click the Submit a question button, dial or voicemail hotline, 302464. TFFB. Let's start with the voicemail question.

[Caller]

Hey, ballers. Papa Bear in Pennsylvania, new Foot Clan member. I just had my draft last weekend and I took your advice. I did not draft a kicker or a defense. But now I've got three players. I've got to figure out who to drop before week one between the following. Cortland. Cortland Sutton, that is Jordan Wilkins and Anthony Miller. Question is, who would you keep and who would you cut between those three? Thanks.

[Mike Wright]

Miller's gone.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

You cut Miller for sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that one's in. The honest truth is you. You don't have to be like Andy. You don't have to do it right now, today.

[Mike Wright]

And I was so stupid to do it now.

[Andy Holloway]

You can wait. That's the best part of this strategy, is you let the NFL tell you who you need to cut, but more than likely, it's going to be Anthony Miller. And you. Hold on. Jordan Wilkins is the perfect player for this strategy because you could get declared.

[Mike Wright]

A week one starter.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly.

[Mike Wright]

Or you could have Michael declared the Week 1 starter, and then you feel cozy stopping Wilkins.

[Jason Moore]

Michael healthy and Marlon Mack is healthy week one. And then all of a sudden you go, okay, Wilkins is not getting in right now. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Or you could have watched the offensive line play and jettison them all.

[Jason Moore]

But Miller is. Is the drop.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, but I think he's saying he's gonna have to drop, too, because it's kicker defense.

[Mike Wright]

Yep. So, I mean, that. That's why you. You just wait as long as you possibly can, and it's likely going. I. If I were him, it's probably going to end up being Wilkins and Miller. That's what I would guess.

[Jason Moore]

For me, it would more than likely be the two wide receivers.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's.

[Andy Holloway]

That's where it is for me as of right now. But.

[Mike Wright]

But, yeah, wait and see until you can get a decision made. Last possible minute. Don't be an Andy. That's what they say. Don't be an Andy. You know, here's the funny thing about that is I had the trade. I had the drop queued up yesterday, but yesterday happened to be Tuesday. And even though we're not in the regular season, Tuesday's the day when the waivers don't go through. And my drop was actually not for a kicker. My drop was Tyler Lockett to pick up O.J.

[Andy Holloway]

Howard.

[Mike Wright]

That's what was queued up until about five minutes before the waiver wire this morning. And when I said, well, what can really happen? That's literally what I said to myself. I go, what can really happen?

[Andy Holloway]

And why do I listen to Kevin?

[Mike Wright]

Why do I want to pick my week one kicker last minute? Maybe some other people are doing the same thing. Let's just go grab a guy that I like. Their Week 1 matchup now, because what can really happen?

[Jason Moore]

And we always say, don't. Don't be an Andy at four Minutes after.

[Mike Wright]

Like, if it happens five minutes before Tyler Lockett is still on my team.

[Andy Holloway]

It happens to the best of us.

[Mike Wright]

Now, I want to. I want to point out something because I have to. Tyler Lockett has failed the top 600 receiving yards and has only scored three times since he's wearing that war. So, yeah, stoke the fires. All right, here we go. Hey, ballers, this is Cy out in Oklahoma. With all the hype surrounding Royce Freeman, is now the time to sell? And if so, what kind of deal can I get with packaging Royce Freeman and Golden Tate. Thanks. There's always a time to sell. There's always a time to buy. If you think the perceived value of Royce Freeman is higher than his actual value will be all year and you can get it, then it's the time to sell.

[Jason Moore]

And you probably cannot get it with the latest piece. People are so recency biased that the latest piece of news when you were to go. And every time you get a trade offer before you click yes, you click on that player and you look at the latest news and it's going to say that Devonta Booker has been named the starter.

[Mike Wright]

What if you could trade Royce Freeman and Golden Tate and pick up Devonta Freeman? Would you do that trade? Would you rather have Devonta Freeman than Royce Freeman and Golden Tate? Probably not.

[Jason Moore]

I would rather have Devonta Freeman if my wide receivers were still good. If I'm really sacrificing Golden Tate, Joe Mix garbage.

[Mike Wright]

What if you can get Joe Mix?

[Andy Holloway]

No, I would hold with Freeman and Tate.

[Mike Wright]

Jordan Howard.

[Andy Holloway]

No, that's closer again.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, so, I mean, your best bet is probably to let Royce develop. Like I said, you've already made the impression. Like I said, it's not like it's. It's not death here. We're not predicting the doom of Royce Freeman. He's clear. If you look at the metrics, Devonte Booker's broken exactly zero tackles in pre film. Royce Freeman's broken, like six.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he'll.

[Andy Holloway]

It will happen. He will get there.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, question. This one comes in from Jason Iram, Nasaj Sausage. Who would you rather have in a two running back, two wide receiver, and a flex league? DD Westbrook or Tyler Lockett?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, gosh. All right. He's trying to figure out whether you would rather. This is our league. He wants to go draft Lockett.

[Andy Holloway]

Lockett.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. For me, we'll take it into consideration.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, how much.

[Mike Wright]

How much Fab would you spend for him is the real question.

[Jason Moore]

Only a dollar one.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, right. Yeah, right. You're trying to get me back for that Joy Bell moment when I. When you drop Joy Bell before the playoffs and I picked him up and played him against you and defeated you.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Do you remember that?

[Jason Moore]

Nope.

[Mike Wright]

Do you remember that moment?

[Jason Moore]

Yes, I remember that all too well.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

I like this question. It comes in from Gavin in Portland because it brings up a name I've wanted to talk about. Jamal Williams was dropped in a PPR league. Would you drop Chris Thompson for Jamal Williams immediately? 100% would not. In a full PPR league. I want people to remember Chris Thompson. He's being undervalued. Chris Thompson, I believe, scored four touchdowns in the receiving role in Washington last year. He was over 500 yards receiving despite getting hurt. There is a massive talent need in Washington and people are forgetting Chris Thompson. They're afraid of Chris Thompson. I would rather have Chris Thompson.

[Andy Holloway]

I want to remind the people about Chris Thompson who last year averaged 13 yards of reception when his career average was right around 7. He was nearly doubling his career average. He was on an unsustainable period.

[Mike Wright]

13 is not an. Yes. He doubled his career average at the running back position.

[Andy Holloway]

13 is outrageous.

[Mike Wright]

It's not outrageous.

[Jason Moore]

That's outrageous.

[Mike Wright]

Not outrageous.

[Andy Holloway]

It is outrageous. 10 yards of carry or 10 yards of reception is great.

[Jason Moore]

Those are the guys that lead the league, usually on a. On a. You know, I don't hate Chris Thompson.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't want it to sound like that. Just he. His numbers were going to come back to earth, but he and Jamal Williams.

[Mike Wright]

Also hurt and his utilization, like I think in a full PPR league, the guaranteed production you get from Thompson is better than Williams. Are you fully in the Williams bandwagon now, Mike?

[Jason Moore]

I am.

[Andy Holloway]

I have to be. This is. This is me staying water. I am definitely on a. I think Aaron Jones is the best running back on that team. But the vibes are so good for Jamal Williams.

[Mike Wright]

Maybe that should have been a good vibe candidate.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you are. You are 100% correct. I should have brought that up. So I'll do it. I'll just do it now. Jamal Williams is the guy in Green Bay that you want to own at the running back position.

[Mike Wright]

Mr. Montgomery, do you agree?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I 100% agree. We, Brooks and I had the league of record draft. I. Mongomer is available to draft and I took Jamal Williams. He is.

[Mike Wright]

Mr. Montgomery.

[Jason Moore]

Mr. Montgomery.

[Andy Holloway]

So if you recall Jason in that spot, in that position in the draft, you were trading up to get Andy's spot.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

While you were debating what if you Wanted to move up. I was also internally debating, okay, do I want to use some assets and move up right here and draft Jamal Williams?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's.

[Andy Holloway]

We had the, the identical thought process.

[Jason Moore]

Traded up to get him. He's. He's the clear cut starter right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

For a great offense.

[Mike Wright]

What's kind of funny is they're in a PPR draft. They're going at the exact. They're literally going in the same position. They're both going with the 11th pick of the sixth round. So it's a heads up decision for owners right now who still have a draft coming, which is many of you. Right. A lot of you are drafting this weekend or tonight or next week and you'll have to stare down Jamal Williams and Chris Thompson. I might be backing off of my proclamation.

[Jason Moore]

There we go.

[Andy Holloway]

Sorry. Only because look, Jamal Williams also has goal line opportunity.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. There's no chance that I will, I will, I will pull back because of the possibility that Jamal Williams is the everything for Green Bay, an offense that will be very good. There is no possibility that Chris Thompson will be the everything for Washington. I do think that obviously the past catching chops of Chris Thompson are vastly superior. But, but for the dice roll that Jamal Williams could be the guy in a Green Bay offense. You're right. You guys are both right.

[Andy Holloway]

And I will say that despite how much I love Jamal Williams right now, I am not treating him like he is a 16 game starter, running back starter for my team. It's. But he's a first half guy. He's a first quarter guy at the least. Which, yeah. Is what I'm looking for at this point in the draft now.

[Mike Wright]

You're right.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

And that's actually really important. Just, just throwing that out there for the dads out there that you got.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

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