
All aboard the Clyde Edwards-Helaire hype train! The Fantasy Footballers are back with an exciting new episode! Today’s fantasy football podcast contains big time NFL news as Chiefs RB, Damien Williams, has chosen to opt out of the 2020 NFL season. How
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Andy Holloway
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Mike Wright
Is Darren Waller, tight end for the Las Vegas Raiders. I am the Wallerus and you are listening to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.
Andy Holloway
Coo Coo Kachoob.
Jason Moore
Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast podcast with your hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.
Andy Holloway
Welcome in the Fantasy Footballers. Andy, Mike and Jason, back with you for Thursday, July 30th.
Jason Moore
Had to get that one last July in.
Mike Wright
Have you ever said that in your life?
Andy Holloway
No. No, I don't think so. I. There's so much going on, Mike. I'm. You just told us it was football time on Tuesday. Yes, it's opt out time on Thursday.
Mike Wright
That is true. We are finding out who's in and.
Andy Holloway
Who'S out, which we knew was coming. And we'll talk about the biggest story along those lines so far. At the top of the show today. And then some of the other opt outs of fantasy football significance. We've got the final divisional breakdown. We're getting divisional today with the NFC West.
Jason Moore
NFC best.
Mike Wright
Yeah, take that, NFL.
Andy Holloway
It's funny when you say that, it's like, yeah, pride and joy. But if you're in the NFC west, it's like, boo, I have a lot of competition.
Jason Moore
Oh yeah, it sucks. I'm not saying like NFC Best is the. Is the best division to be in. I'm just saying it has the best four pack.
Andy Holloway
I think so. I think so. It's going to be competitive in that division. Twitter @ the FF Ballers. We've been live every day this week, which you can catch on all of our social platforms. YouTube.com the fantasy footballers you can subscribe. Click the bell over there. Get all of our episodes, all of our live streams. And we are inching closer to 200,000 subscribers.
Mike Wright
I thought you were saying 200,000 shows. And we are inching Our way to that as well.
Andy Holloway
Technically, that is worthy of an announcement. You want to let the Foot Clan remind the Foot Clan what's coming.
Jason Moore
What's coming on Monday, Jason?
Andy Holloway
Monday you gotta be here.
Jason Moore
I have so here.
Mike Wright
Jason has blacked out.
Jason Moore
I forgot what we were talking about. This is great.
Mike Wright
It really is. Why don't you just tell me what you were talking about?
Jason Moore
We're five shows a week from here on out.
Andy Holloway
Well, not here. I mean like Monday.
Jason Moore
Yes, Monday. We are every single day of the week all the way through the end of 2020.
Andy Holloway
So tell your friends, work week, not the weekend.
Jason Moore
Tell your friends, tell your, tell your co workers that it's time to get on the podcast every single day Monday through Friday.
Andy Holloway
Okay, thanks. That was clear as mud. What else do we have going on?
Mike Wright
I will say last chance we got today and tomorrow.
Andy Holloway
Okay.
Mike Wright
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Jason Moore
Do it now.
Andy Holloway
And you can do that every day of the week all year long. As long as it's the next two days.
Jason Moore
That's exactly how I would say it.
Andy Holloway
Okay, let's. Well the big headline news and we'll just hit it. Right at the top is Damian Williams, faux MVP of the super bowl, running back for the Kansas City Chiefs has inform the team that he is opting out for the 2020 season.
Mike Wright
Yeah, this is.
Andy Holloway
Which means there's.
Mike Wright
Yeah, this is wild, wild, wild stuff.
Andy Holloway
I will let the Foot Clan know Mike Wright. Mike Wright had the opportunity that he earned. I mean you earned the.
Mike Wright
You're done, right? I did.
Andy Holloway
You earned the first pick in the rookie draft of our dynasty league.
Mike Wright
Sometimes you got to be the best of the worst.
Andy Holloway
And you were. And so you earned that pick and you selected Clyde Edwards Allaire. And now it's. Now it's Clyde Edwards Solitaire in the background in the backfield of that team. Oh, that was the only man left.
Mike Wright
That was not bad. I saw your bridge.
Andy Holloway
My brain was figuring it out.
Mike Wright
Look, but Damian's gone for Damian Williams. He's making the choice that he has to make for his family. And now we have to react to fantasy football. And the reaction if you were on Twitter is holy freaky crap. Because Clyde Edwards Allaire was already a second round pick and you still had to deal with the fact that, well, maybe Damian Williams is going to be the starter for the first few weeks. Maybe Williams is the starter for half the season. You just, you didn't know. But what you knew was that Andy Reid and co selected the Clyde Edwards Allaire at the back of the first round over every other running back. Patrick Mahomes said he wanted Clyde Edwards Allaire on the team. We know that Andy Reid running backs score tons of fantasy points as highlighted by Damian Williams as the starting run when he had to start a job. And now it's Clyde Edwards Allaire is a first round pick. Yeah, I mean and that's not. This is not being hot takey. Clyde Edwards Allaire is now a first round pick.
Andy Holloway
Well, let's take that a step further.
Mike Wright
All right.
Jason Moore
Buy or sell presented by Pristine Auction.
Andy Holloway
By the way, the, the hype train for Clyde O'Dre is currently at this stage. Watch out, it's not the little. It was the little baby train.
Mike Wright
Right.
Andy Holloway
So now it's, it's full fledged.
Mike Wright
Like this is a bullet train.
Andy Holloway
I'm surprised with your excitement for the dynasty league. He's not number one on your ranks but we're going to play buy or sell with Clyde Edwards Allaire. The fantasy, I'm objective, the fantasy number two implications of Damian Williams opt out. And to me, I said this right when it happened. When we were in the office, there is a. This is almost like we spend some of these offseasons trying to just decipher backfield situations. We knew we had limited training camp. We already talked about what are we watching in training camp for the limited time that we have. And you have all these conversations about rookies and can they acclimate and can they earn a position. This just feels like a bit of a gift to fantasy owners to have, you know, and obviously every player we wish Damian Williams the best, every player is making a decision for their family, their circumstances and what's going on. But for fantasy decision making purposes, we know Clyde Edwards Allaire is going to have the opportunity. So buy or sell. Clyde Edwards Allaire is a top six fantasy running guy and get it in.
Mike Wright
Before Jason by six. Oh, do you have him as top six? I interrupted.
Jason Moore
I mean that is the segment. I actually do not have him in the top six, but he is just on the outside.
Mike Wright
All right.
Jason Moore
After revamping the Kansas City Chiefs roster with this news, I have Clyde Edwards Allaire at running back seven. So this is not an outlandish spot. Think about when, you know, Spencer Ware opted out a couple years ago.
Mike Wright
That's brutal. That is brutal.
Jason Moore
That's Spencer Ware when he got off, when he got injured and Kareem Hunt ended up being the rookie sensation. He finished that season as the running back four and half point scoring. So this is, I think the top six is the important marker that we are looking at here because, you know, we always talk about a running back one because there's 12 teams in a league, but it doesn't. You want one of the best guys. And he certainly, certainly can get there. He's higher draft capital than Kareem Hunt was. I think he's a better receiving back, but not as good as a runner. So.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
Jason Moore
So when I looked at, I went back and I looked at Andy Reid's coaching history of the running back one and every year when it wasn't a, you know, a timeshare when there was a clear leader and what those averages for rushing attempts, for targets, for touchdowns in both. And you know, I have him basically running the ball fewer times than Kareem Hunt did, catching the ball more times than Kareem Hunt did. And it puts him at running back seven for me.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. And this is not, you know, Clyde Edwards Lair had a lot of hype. And the reason was, is you had, you know, Andy Reid, what Jason just talked about, Patrick Mahomes, super bowl champions, the skill set, running, receiving. But fantasy owners should understand, like high draft capital, running backs perform for fantasy even when it's not, you know, these five chemicals combined for the explosion. Leonard Fournette was the number eight overall running back in his rookie season. Christian McCaffrey was 11. Zeke was number two as a rookie. What was Barkley Saquon. I do have that up here. Let me. He was two. Barkley was number two. So it's not outlandish to be a top six running back as a rookie. Anyways. When you combine that with all of the other factors here you're catching passes from the best quarterback in football. You're in an offense that has proven, what is it, 12 of 16 years that Andy Reid's run an offense that you're running Back to top 12 guy you could buy or sell, you know, individually, you're making the decision at home. Is he a lock as a top 12? I think he's a lock as a top 12, barring injury. I have him at 7 though as well. So I don't have him inside the top six. And that is really just a factor of the other running backs involved that I. That we like a lot.
Mike Wright
And I get it. He ended up at number five for me, so I'm buying him as a top six running back. The.
Jason Moore
The.
Mike Wright
You might ask. Okay, well, who's. Who's the odd man out? And for me right now it's Alvin Camara. Dalvin Cook went back to number four for me after the news came in that he's there. He like he's already taking his COVID test. He's going to be there on time. I love Clyde Edwards a lair. I love his fit. I love his skill set inside this team. Like it's. It's not outlandish to me to think of Edwards Allaire being right there with Christian McCaffrey in terms of receiving work. He's not going to carry the ball as many times as Kareem Hunt, I don't think. You know, he's a little bit smaller. He's a like a 207 guy where Kareem Hunt is 217. So I don't know if they can give Edwards alert the ball 270 times on the ground, but he might have a thousand receiving yards. I'm not projecting him for that. I'm projecting for half of that. But this is what I'm talking about with, with the potential ceiling that Edwards Allaire could hit as the featured starting running back right away. It is, it is unbelievable what he could get done for fantasy.
Andy Holloway
The two running backs that I have still ahead of him that you don't, Mike, I think are Derek Henry and Josh Jacobs in half point.
Mike Wright
Okay.
Andy Holloway
Camara is still one behind Clyde Edwards alert. Jason, I'm curious who were the two in front so Mike have behind.
Jason Moore
I have. I have the three in front of Clyde Edwards Allaire outside of the main three guys that would be Alvin Camara, Derek Henry and Dalvin Cook. But he did jump my guy, Kenya Drake. Oh, that hurt. It hurt. It hurt. But you got to do what you believe is accurate.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I mean the number one, number two, number three, not impossible in this offense.
Mike Wright
I completely agree.
Andy Holloway
Highest draft capital pick they had this year. Player that loved on film, played on the. He's just. Life is good.
Mike Wright
Yes, life is good. It is. And just a quick discussion for the backup situation. Where are you putting the chips or where are you putting your projections? Because they did add DeAndre Washington. Like, I mean he was on a division rival for a long time and they prioritized getting him onto the team. There's quite a few other guys. Darwin Thompson, we know they prioritize it because It's a.
Andy Holloway
He's. He starts with the letter D. Yes.
Mike Wright
And yes, there is a lot of them.
Andy Holloway
But Darrell Williams was okay last year. Sure, but that's about the best descriptor for him. I mean, DeAndre would be taking hispah. I think Darwin will have some sort of role. I doubt Darwin is cutting. Who did you project?
Jason Moore
I have Darrell Williams as the main backup. DeAndre Washington kind of fits the bill here as a Clyde Edwards Hilaire mold. Where, where if Clyde Edwards Hilaire went down to injury, maybe then you've got that discussion of that receiving back. I think that's when Clyde is going to be on the field. So the backup, the change of pace from Clyde, I see more as Darrell Williams and I think Darwin Thompson will, you know, get, get a little bit of work.
Mike Wright
And I would, I would put it on DeAndre Washington. And it's just like the reminder. Check your dynasty waiver wire. It is very possible that DeAndre's just hanging out there, ready to get picked up.
Andy Holloway
All right, well, we got to breeze through the rest of this news real quick before we get into the divisional breakdown. Devin Funches. Oh, do you want a farewell drop for Devin?
Jason Moore
Let's do it. And that's the last time you'll ever hear that drop.
Mike Wright
Probably he didn't play last year.
Andy Holloway
He's one year deal.
Mike Wright
Well, he didn't play last year because he's coming off of an ACL injury. He was going to play or as.
Andy Holloway
Jason calls it, opting out.
Jason Moore
His body opted out. I think that's fair.
Mike Wright
So bad, so mean. But yeah, like a. I don't see like he might get a job, but it's, it's probably done for Funches and.
Andy Holloway
Marquis Goodwin is in the same boat. I mean, Marquis Goodwin is a player who's been hurt by injuries.
Mike Wright
Yeah, he's. He's had concussion problems and he's very, very fast. He could, he still could have helped the Philadelphia Eagles, but him opting out it to me is actually a pretty big deal. When you combine that with the, the new news that was coming out of Rager saying that they're emphasizing me to learn the X and the Z. Where the news a month ago from Coach Peterson was Jalen Rager is going to focus on being DeSean Jackson's backup. He's going to learn that spot. And once, once we're comfortable that he knows that spot, then maybe we'll think about implementing him to other parts of the offense. This came because they felt like they rushed Arthur Whiteside and it hampered him as a rookie. But now that Rager. Rager now has the potential to take over for Alshon Jeffrey, who is still struggling. Alshon Jeffrey might end up on the PUP and miss six weeks of the NFL season. So I am, I don't normally get hyped for rookie wide receivers because it takes them a while. But of the of the bunch now Rager is easily my top pick who for a rookie wide receiver who could produce fantasy value year long.
Jason Moore
Yeah. And if you saw that Alshon Jeffrey was placed on the PUP already, he has been. But that's the active pup. He can come off at any time. It's not the week one pup. So right now when people are going in right now you don't need to worry about that. As in they are guaranteed to miss the first six weeks.
Andy Holloway
And then Giants offensive tackle Nate Solder also opted out. I believe him and his son have had cancer issues in the past. He opted out. He was not, I mean he was like PFS 46 ranked tackle last year. But it's still, I mean this was during a season in which Daniel Jones suffered massive amounts of pressure all year long. It's not good to lose a stalwart of your offensive line regardless of how he ranked in. You know, he was obviously great in New England. So that's kind of bad news. And we've had offensive and defensive linemen opting out as well. Other than that, Brian Flores, head coach of the Dolphins did say there will be an open competition at quarterback this summer. This is why it's been difficult to project devonte Parker all off season. Is just wondering when the shoe would drop. When do you get to it? And I don't, you know, if Tua wins the job, I don't throw devonte Parker away. I mean two is a great player.
Mike Wright
But it's, it's, there's a lot more risk baked into drafting devonte Parker. Instead of knowing like oh I'm going to get a few games where Parker is going to get off to a hot start, really help my team. And this news is coming up because they have said to a pass is physical, he will practice without limitations. And we weren't sure that was actually going to happen. So when he's green light he could win the job Week one.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. You manage to and you manage Ryan Fitzpatrick differently as a head coach. Yes. And what your goal is. But two is the future. So whether he starts or not, he's healthy. If he loses this competition, you really don't have a lot of confidence in how long Ryan Fitzpatrick will stay there.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I don't view this really as any different. I mean, it is news that he's definitely not going on the pump, but he's healthy. That's great. But that was my assumption already was that he was going to be there competing for the job. But with, you know, with the no OTAs and the shortened training camp and no preseason, I think it would be very difficult for TUA to somehow in that situation, prove that he's the guy to lead the team outside of just saying, well, he's the future, so might as well just get the future started.
Mike Wright
Yeah. Flores wants to win.
Jason Moore
Yeah. You want to know who else wants to win?
Mike Wright
Who's that, Jason?
Jason Moore
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Mike Wright
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Jason Moore
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Mike Wright
Is that M e a t your friend?
Jason Moore
Yes, 100%.
Mike Wright
Meet your friends.
Jason Moore
Meet your friends. M e a t. I mean, you gotta. You gotta surprise.
Mike Wright
Would you just verb meat?
Jason Moore
I live meat. That's what I do. Pork chops. Chicken, kielbasa.
Andy Holloway
More.
Jason Moore
You want smoky sweet bacon, pork tender. Filet mignon.
Mike Wright
Of course I do.
Andy Holloway
Jason, did you just throw in more like your last name?
Jason Moore
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Andy Holloway
All right, our final divisional breakdown show. I encourage you to head back. Over the last couple of weeks, we went through every division. We're finishing in the NFC West. We're starting with the San Francisco 49ers. Started eight. No, last year. Finished 13 and three. Obviously, it was a great season in San Francisco. Rushing yards per game. They were dominant. Second in the league, 144 a game. First in rushing touchdowns. We just had the news earlier this week. About Raheem Mostert having a what a reconfigured contract.
Mike Wright
They, they slipped him a little one.
Andy Holloway
Ski under the mattress and got rid of that problem. Points per game, I mean second in the NFL, 29.9 points per game. And it was.
Mike Wright
That is bananas because I don't remember that at all.
Jason Moore
I have to believe is that that can't just be offensive scoring. Right? Were they just a great defensive scoring team?
Mike Wright
Points per game is total.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, but points against too. I mean they were a great defense. We know that. Defensive passing yards per game given up. They were first in the league. They were dominant and this was a great team. And they're. And they're built to win with that Kyle Shanahan running game. No more Matt Breida. Matt Breida's gone. He was not really a factor last year after the very beginning of the season. And then their mid season acquisition Emmanuel Sanders to come in and be that one to try to get them, you know, to the super bowl success. By the way, he's gone. He's in New Orleans. They added Brandon Ayuk in the first round, which was a surprise pick. They had other options but he fit the mold. And then they're dealing with the injury to Debo Samuel and some news came out, I believe yesterday or the day before about managing Emmanuel or not Emmanuel Sanders, Debo Samuel's return and the likelihood that he's going to miss some time. So he's really not a. It's very difficult to make a compelling argument as to why you should draft Debo Samuel outside of a very late round pick and trying to hold him just because it's going to take him some time to be back.
Mike Wright
Let's go to the injury dip expert. Jason, are you buying the injury dip?
Jason Moore
I am not buying the injury dip. Think it usually works out for you. And in this specific situation with this specific injury, it usually has a ramp up period where when they are back on the field it's like fake back. They are fake back. It is not the same production level.
Mike Wright
That's not what Justin Timberlake brought.
Jason Moore
So yeah, so yeah, he's a guy that I don't. Even if you've got an IR spot.
Andy Holloway
You want sexy back.
Mike Wright
Yes, always.
Jason Moore
Maybe super late. If I haven't.
Andy Holloway
That's A.J. green. A.J. green's bringing sexy back?
Jason Moore
Doubtful.
Mike Wright
Look, I'm with. I hope he does. Sorry, Jason.
Jason Moore
Oh, that's all right. But I'm just saying I believe that Debo will get off to a slow start and the honest Truth is this is a well coached team, is a franchise that is running well right now and they're wise enough to say, let's not get our player back a week or two earlier.
Andy Holloway
Bigger plans.
Jason Moore
Bigger plans. Bigger fish to fry.
Andy Holloway
And so you look at this team and really the main pass catching option that we have assured on this roster is what George Kittle's role will be. It's so fundamental to this team. He has done his fair share of workout tweeting, which is always a really. He's working on that. That workout tweet isn't for fantasy owners. That's for.
Mike Wright
He's going for the bag.
Andy Holloway
That's for John Lynch. He's going for the bag. He wants the extension.
Mike Wright
And John lynch just got the bag too. I don't know if you guys saw, but John lynch got extended to match the contract of Kyle Shanahan. So they have their front office locked up.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, they do, and for good reason. I mean, they had a dominant year. George Kittle, though, last year, basically points per game. Same place that Travis Kelsey was. No reason for us to be dissuaded from George Kittle's production this year.
Mike Wright
Are you willing to draft him in the back of the second, like with your team makeup, the way you think about fantasy football, Will you take Travis Kelsey or George Kittle?
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I would. I would. And I talked about this on the live stream. We did earlier today. Someone was asking, am I more likely to take an earlier round tight end or an earlier round quarterback? The turnover at the quarterback position in the order that they finish and the way that that comes to fruition based on projections, it's inconsistent. Travis Kelsey's been the number one tight end for four years.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
And I believe George Kittle is in that locked and loaded guaranteed category. They manufacture so many scoring opportunities on this team. Whether Jason believes it or not, they were the second highest in the league.
Mike Wright
Look, I vetted it.
Andy Holloway
And when you run the ball, when you can put up 144 yards a game on the ground, you put yourself into these, you know, great positions for Jimmy Garoppolo. And George Kittle is always open. So he's the locked and loaded guy on this roster, rotating to the running back position. Raheem Mostert's back. Tevin Coleman. I'm sure if you looked at his best ball, adp, he had a really nice climb there.
Jason Moore
Looks just like a little spike on the heart monitor. Like, I'm up. No. Okay, I'm back where I was.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, a Tevin Coleman arrhythmia of sorts.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
And then you've got Jerick McKinnon and speculation about whether he's healthy, Jeff Wilson behind him. This is a team that has functioned with multiple running backs year over year. Are you. Has your confidence in Mostert being the number one guy changed at all due to this little blip?
Mike Wright
It hasn't for me. He RB25 right now in best ball. He probably will finish higher than that. I mean, you will have some inconsistencies. I don't mind drafting Mostert there. Like you went wide receiver heavy in the first few rounds. I think that Mostert can be a foundational running back. He's probably not going to be on many of my teams though. The way that I am handling drafts and constructing things. I'm not taking a running back in the fifth round. Maybe drops to the six and you have a value and I draft him then. But I don't mind him. But I'm not going to. I'm not going to draft him.
Jason Moore
Yeah. The problem is that even though this team is so good at running the ball so good and they have two good backs that are going to produce for fantasy. Mostert will absolutely have extreme fantasy relevant a lot and Coleman will have his fantasy relevant games because they are both relevant. It kind of renders each one a little irrelevant. I don't have either guy getting to 200 carries. So the consistency that you wind up with if you're, you know, 180 carry running back is sure, at the end of the year you might have scored enough touchdowns to be good. But if you're just talking about how you play fantasy football when you're drafting guys, when you're choosing to make your start sit decisions. This is a backfield that I personally have been more avoiding. I know, Andy, you are. You are much higher on Moster, I think just emotionally than, you know, than I.
Andy Holloway
What was that again?
Jason Moore
Emotionally. I. You really like Moster and I find myself never really wanting. I would rather take.
Andy Holloway
I think you feel that way because I went out and acquired him in leagues. Right?
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. I mean, and then now that I have him, you think that I'm loyal to him.
Jason Moore
Well, you've referred to him as a possible my guy.
Andy Holloway
Absolutely.
Jason Moore
Yeah. So that, I mean, I.
Andy Holloway
He's at 21 in my rankings right now, but he will. It's just a philosophical thing. You might not be able to predict who the guy is, but they're going to put up 140 on the ground.
Mike Wright
Right.
Andy Holloway
So that's. That's the game you're playing, right. Great running team. I mean, you've dealt with this in New Orleans in years past. You don't quite know which guy's going.
Mike Wright
To be when you have the wrench of like Jalen Hurd, who basically did nothing last year. What is he on this offense? I mean, he played some running back in college. He's, you know, a very versatile player. Does is Jalen Hurd all of a sudden in the mix of the running backs?
Jason Moore
He could, he could be. I think the big difference here between this backfield and the Saints is that the Saints always throw the ball to the running back. And that hasn't been a real marker of Shanahan for the 49ers. You know, if these two running backs, if neither one of them is a PPR value, then that's tough. You get the touchdowns and you get the rushing yardage or you have a really lousy game because you don't have that passing baseline.
Andy Holloway
Well, it's interesting. I mean, they were the best running team in football.
Jason Moore
Yes.
Andy Holloway
And their two running backs currently have a RB40 and RB25 ADP.
Mike Wright
That is pretty wild.
Andy Holloway
So that, that's, that's kind of nuts. I mean, I know most are. He talked a lot of big, you know, big game in the offseason. I can handle 200 plus carries. Will he get it? I don't know. Is Jerick McKinnon gonna be healthy? I don't know.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I don't know.
Andy Holloway
But you look at the passing game on a great offense, the scores a ton of points and you kind of just, you throw your hands up. I mean, Jimmy Garoppolo, 32 pass attempts per game. It was 29th in the NFL. Only five weeks last year in this banner season for San Francisco. 5 QB 1 weeks from the quarterback of this team that's scoring almost 30 a game. Nine weeks where he was the QB 20 or worse. So it wasn't just like, oh, I just slipped outside that QB1 range. It was like, I don't exist this week. And then you, you lose. Debo Samuel, the most kind of the. Is he the most tenured wide receiver that they had? I mean, not really. I mean, you have, you have Bourne and other players, but none of these guys make you excited about the offense. Brandon Iuk is going to be a rookie. I mean, he's a rookie coming into this team. How much of an opportunity does he get? Jalen Hurt is a rookie essentially coming off of a lost season now.
Mike Wright
So Devo Samuel, if you remember at the end of the season when he was very solid, essentially the wide receiver 17 in points per game. What do you. What's the.
Andy Holloway
I'm sorry, I'm. I'm laughing really hard over here because I'm looking at the roster. It's on our show, Doc.
Mike Wright
Yes.
Andy Holloway
And in the smallest font that this, that Kyle Borgogan could have put into the dock, Debo Samuel, Brandon Iuk, Jalen Hurd and then down there in like size 5 font with a little hand is Dante Bettis name.
Mike Wright
Yes, he's still there. He is still on the team. But so Debo, was it points per game? It wasn't as great as your aspect you remember because he was like the wide receiver 6 overall. But points per game it wasn't.
Andy Holloway
You're saying over the back half of the year.
Jason Moore
Yeah, yeah.
Mike Wright
When he really was useful for fantasy. Who can step into that role? Let's say Debo misses four games. Are you willing to take a draft shot at Brandon Iuk who I mean very similar player to Debo that this is. They're going to try and get him the ball two yards ahead of the line of scrimmage and see what he can do. And Iuk is in the 14th round.
Andy Holloway
I mean, sure. I mean, well, you could take a 14th round pick. Here's my thought on that. Is Kyle Shanahan in the offense?
Mike Wright
It was a first round wide receiver.
Andy Holloway
Absolutely.
Mike Wright
In the draft.
Andy Holloway
Absolutely.
Mike Wright
Like people are hyped.
Andy Holloway
No, no, no.
Mike Wright
Jefferson, Judy Lamb.
Andy Holloway
The rest of the words out of my mouth were to say sure. Because Kyle Shanahan puts players in a position to succeed. He's a high draft capital player and they don't have other wide receivers. It's just a matter of predicting how often or when you could possibly play this guy week to week. I mean we see him do it with the backfield. It doesn't matter the name in the backfield for Kyle Shanahan. He figures out a way to get production out of it. There's no reason he can't throw Brandon Iuk four screen passes.
Mike Wright
I think Ayuk is interesting for a player that perhaps you draft him with your last pick, see what happens on week one and you might have a very powerful trade asset come week two. Because if he, if he has back to back successful games, knowing in your head that Don, that Dante Pettis, knowing in your head that Debo Samuel is coming back. I don't know, maybe you got a trade chip there.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I mean, interesting. The hard part about this is Kendrick Barnes there he'll be utilized. Trent Taylor is there. We forget about him. He's not even listed on this board, but he's number two on the depth chart, so.
Jason Moore
And they don't pass the ball a lot.
Andy Holloway
And they don't pass the ball.
Jason Moore
You know, I don't want any part of this passing game that's not George Kittle. That's where I stand.
Andy Holloway
I think that's what that story might have ended in. That might have been the last page of the book, really.
Jason Moore
The only two players that I'm looking at in a draft from the 49ers, which is so weird for a team that scored the second most in the league, is Tevin Coleman because of where he's being drafted. He's being drafted as if he has no chance to be the week one starter, which I don't think that's true. I think there's a chance. You come out and it's Tevin Coleman just like it was last year when these guys were on the roster. And then George Kittle. That's it.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. I think Trent Taylor will be the leading wide receiver for this team through the first five weeks of the season.
Mike Wright
He could be 33 yards a game.
Andy Holloway
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Dominant slot performance from Trent Taylor. All right, let's move on. Let's talk about the. I mean, we're in the NFC best, so we've got to continue to go through playoff contenders. The Seattle Seahawks were 11 and five last year. 10, two in one score games. Not an anomaly when you have Russell Wilson.
Mike Wright
Right?
Jason Moore
It is. It is very telling. You know, we talked about the packers, how they had, you know, a very heavy win percentage in close games. And now the Seahawks. Sometimes it's just your quarterback. Sometimes it's just like, oh, yeah. When games are close, who's got the better quarterback?
Mike Wright
It's just their. It's their formula. Like at. Chris Carson was great. We'll get it to him for fantasy. But their formula has been run run. Oh, crap. Third and long. Okay, Russell, can you bail us out? Bail us out again, Russ. And then Russell Wilson does something amazing and they're like, sweet. Run it up the middle.
Andy Holloway
They just don't.
Mike Wright
And then it ends up that you win the game in a one score.
Jason Moore
Game and then in the fourth quarter we're down.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Jason Moore
And there's like, oh, shoot, Russ, can you bail us out? Boom.
Mike Wright
Russ. We really. Look, I'm sorry. We really thought it was going to work this time. This game plan, this run run.
Andy Holloway
Here's.
Mike Wright
We thought it was going to work.
Andy Holloway
Here's the problem.
Mike Wright
Blow people out. Seattle.
Andy Holloway
It's always worked.
Mike Wright
Yeah, because Russell.
Andy Holloway
Listen. Every year of Russell Wilson's career, 11 and 5, 13 and 3, 12 and 4, 10 and 6, 10 and 5, 9 and 7, 10 and 6, 11 and 5.
Mike Wright
He's very good.
Andy Holloway
They always win. If you are Pete Carroll and you're chewing the bubble gum, eating the peach cobbler and you're sitting there going, boy, I should keep doing what I'm doing because it always works. He's the Russell's amazing. The hashtag that let Russ Cook. You know, I don't think it happens, not to the degree that anybody wants. He is the only quarterback with 30 passing touchdowns each of the last three seasons.
Mike Wright
It won't happen. And then again it'll be Russ. Look, man, we really thought it was going to work this time, but it does.
Andy Holloway
But here's hundreds of millions of dollars instead. But Russell Wilson, he's the QB5 right now. That's where he's being drafted in the sixth round. We know this story.
Jason Moore
I will say this. While I don't think it's Pete Carroll's intention to let Russ Cook and allow them to be as Russell Wilson said this off season, to be more like the Kansas City Chiefs offense where they, you know, he's the center and he's able to air it out, they've got a wide receiving core that could get this done with Lockett and Metcalf. So while it's not the intention, the running back room is getting a little bit limited. If Chris Carson, who has an injury history, goes down to injury and Penny isn't ready to start the season and you know, you wind up with basically.
Mike Wright
Carlos Hyde, then yeah, I think you.
Jason Moore
Have to let Russ Cook. So in draft, in draft, Carlos Hyde.
Andy Holloway
Can handle 2,000 carries.
Jason Moore
Well, I mean he was a thousand yard rusher last year, so the point is taken there. But my point is that in Russell's range of outcomes, even if it's not the coaching intention, I think you could see an uptick, a significant uptick in his passing attempts this season.
Andy Holloway
That being said, they added Jamal Adams to this defense. This is a defense that was 22nd in defensive rushing yards per game, given up 27th in passing yards per game, given up 22nd in points against. If you want to let Russ Cook, it'll be harder if they start shutting people down with Jamal Adams. I do think that, you know, just as Russell's career continues, DK Metcalf's evolution, they're going to give him more opportunities to do it. He'll make a few meals. They may not let him cook every week, but he'll make some really postmates. A few things, nice meals. Let's talk about the backfield. Chris Carson right now being drafted is the RB18. Is that the right spot for him?
Mike Wright
It's. We've had concern about him because the dude broke his hip at the end of the season and that's, you know, that could be a pretty serious injury. But the actions of the team have said when they signed Carlos side is that we fully expect that Chris Carson is going to be back. Rashad Penny, the, you know, former first rounder, his injury is much more significant. An ACL tear in week 14. He's not going to be ready to start the season. Chris Carson should be our injury expert Matthew Betts took a look and he fully expects Chris Carson to be there when the year starts. And if that is the case, RB18 is way too low for Chris Carson.
Jason Moore
He's in this group of players who beast a lot of variables. You know, you got Todd Gurley changing teams, David Johnson changing teams, Lev Bell coming off of a terrible year and you're hoping that the offensive line is better and then Chris Carson is in that group. When you're looking at drafting, drafting him. Yes, he has the hip injury, but it isn't supposed to get in the way of the timeline. He's on the same team. His back, you know, backup is injured from last season.
Andy Holloway
There are great 47 targets.
Jason Moore
He was the running back 11 last year. But remember he got injured at the very end of the year and at the beginning of the year you had the fumbling problem where he, you know, those first three weeks were a little.
Mike Wright
Rough and even with that, he really only busted once. I mean he had a couple blips where it was. I'm a little disappointed in this output. But once he firmly took the job.
Jason Moore
He was unstoppable from that point until the end of the season when he got injured, he was the running back eight. So yeah, I mean 18 is too low.
Andy Holloway
Do you think you'll be moving him closer towards the season then?
Jason Moore
I do. I think he will move up in my rankings as we get closer and confirm that what our expectation is on the injury.
Andy Holloway
Why do people continue to doubt Tyler Lockett the last two seasons? Wide receiver, wide receiver 13 and wide receiver 16 the last two years. Right now being drafted as the wide receiver 22. Would you rather have Tyler Lockett or Ty Hilton?
Jason Moore
Lockett.
Mike Wright
Oof. That's a. That's a tough question.
Andy Holloway
They seem similar to me.
Mike Wright
Oh, yeah, they do. But, but. And I, I was going to join in with Jason of like, I'm not doubting Tyler Lockett, but when you, when you're playing fantasy and looking at the range of outcomes, it is possible that Metcalf becomes the wide receiver one. I'm not projecting that at all. Meanwhile, for Ty Hilton, I don't think anyone else on that team, you know, surpass him.
Andy Holloway
And that just almost outlines what happens with Tyler. Tyler Lockett. Every. I almost combined them. Ty Lockett, right. With Tyler Lockett. Every year he's. He's being drafted as the wide receiver 22. He finished at wide receiver 13 and 16. Yet I bet I could name 21 other wide receivers. And have you picked them before you pick Tyler Lockett?
Mike Wright
Probably. And that's. That should not happen.
Andy Holloway
And part of that I look excitement for DK Metcalf, no question. But there's a mind meld there with Russell Wilson and Tyler Lockett the past two years when you need a big play. I think we were coming into last offseason what Tyler Lockett was this the passer rating, Right. It was a perfect passer rating from.
Mike Wright
Russell Wilson to tackle it two years ago. It was just. What he did was not sustainable.
Andy Holloway
You did an AWS commercial with a catch in the back of the end zone. That was not possible, but Tyler Lockett pulled it off.
Mike Wright
And that's what I liked about last season for Lockett was he's like, well, that would. What he did wasn't impossible like what he did two years ago. So that's why I'm far more in on Tyler Lockett versus draft price.
Jason Moore
So to me, when I look at.
Andy Holloway
The ball back to back, by the.
Jason Moore
Way, Lockett and Metcalf.
Andy Holloway
Yes.
Jason Moore
Yeah. I have no hesitations, no doubts. I, you know, sometimes you've got to take and you feel like, well, I totally recognize that the opposite could happen. I would be shocked if Metcalf is the wide receiver one for this team now, if it, if it's on the back of more touchdowns. But he has far less targets. And at the end of the year, sure. But Tyler Lockett's ceiling is higher than what we've seen we talked about. You know, let Russ Cook. If the passing volume goes up, Tyler Lockett could be dominant for fantasy. You look at his last 180 targets, it's basically what, you know, it's, it's, it's better than Julio's. It's better than, you know, it's it's what Michael Thomas has been doing. He is a great wide receiver for a great quarterback. If they throw the ball more, I think he's a safe baseline. Still with upside that people just don't.
Andy Holloway
See the troubling part. I'm looking at the Tyler Lockett DK Metcalf experience from week from the buy on last year. It's not pretty. Not many weeks that you wanted to play them. I mean, there was one.
Mike Wright
That's because you had the Russell Wilson disappearing for fantasy. He disappeared.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. Yeah. And I guess it's a little bit scary and maybe that's why their draft. You know, everybody respects Russell Wilson, yet his top two receivers are in the fifth round.
Mike Wright
Right.
Andy Holloway
That's probably that correlation. Greg Olson. Do you have any hope for Greg Olson at the tight end position on a team that continuously finds a way to make the tight end position relevant?
Mike Wright
I do. Look.
Andy Holloway
How does it feel, though?
Mike Wright
It doesn't feel great. Greg Olson, his former team, the Panthers have said we need to part ways.
Andy Holloway
But the Seahawks, he's already signed a contract to be an announcer.
Mike Wright
Yes, but the Seahawks use the tight end position. Hollister, Jacob Hollister and Will Disney last year combined for 18 red zone targets. And if you want to like compare that George Kittle at 17. So if Greg Olson is the starter for this team, as he should be, I mean, they paid him to be the starter for this team. I don't believe that Will Disley can return this year from his injury. Greg Olson has. The ceiling is not great, but as a late round tight end, I think he's going to be safe and you could play him every week and get enough from the position.
Andy Holloway
I tend to agree. Greg Olson, Jack Doyle.
Mike Wright
Ooh, probably Doyle. Probably still Doyle for me.
Jason Moore
I mean, if Disley can't come back, it's easily Greg Olson to me just because of the touchdown upside with Russ around the red zone.
Andy Holloway
Do you see Frank Reich talking up Trey Burton today?
Jason Moore
I don't doubt it.
Andy Holloway
I mean, the full round, every player has been talked up by Frank Ragnar.
Jason Moore
They've, they've worked together. I. Every time I've brought up Trey Burton, I've been shut down.
Mike Wright
I'm not in on it.
Andy Holloway
Well, yeah, you should be.
Jason Moore
No, I shouldn't.
Andy Holloway
He may hurt Jack Doyle, but he won't help us.
Jason Moore
Well, all right. Well, the nice thing about fantasy is.
Mike Wright
We'Ll see Greg Olson in 14 games last year. 14 games for Greg Olson last year with the terrible quarterback play, still had almost 600 yards.
Andy Holloway
Greg Olson, Joni Smith.
Jason Moore
I'm going to take the upside.
Mike Wright
I'll take the upside for Joni.
Andy Holloway
All right. The LA Rams were 9 and 7 last year. It was tough. It was tough for Jared Goff dealing with the offensive line play. They ranked 31st last year. That was a bit of a step.
Mike Wright
Back to 31, the O line.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. And you know, that's according to Pro Football Focus, tied for the league lead in pass attempts. Jared Goff was back there chucking it, but dealing with a troublesome offensive line. He looked skittish at times. He made mistakes. You didn't see the same kind of production on a consistent basis out of this offense. Didn't throw the ball to Todd Gurley. Todd Gurley's now gone. Brandon Cook's now gone. They invested two second round picks on offensive players. Cam Akers, running back out of Florida State. Van Jefferson, wide receiver to come in and help. But what are your expectations for this offense in a very tough division after seeing what you saw last year. Right. Like the armor was broken down and it was broken down in the super bowl the year before.
Mike Wright
Right.
Andy Holloway
And then we came back and we said, well, this is, this is Sean McVeigh. He'll have things figured out. And you know, they weren't bad.
Jason Moore
But he did. It took him some time and that was what was unfortunate. But towards the end of the season, he figured things out. He got it right. And I love a coach. I'm always going to side with a coach who can adapt, who can change. And of course we want to get off to a hot start in fantasy. We want to start week one great. But I trust McVeigh still. And with Brandon Cooks being gone and new, you know, personnel being there, when I look at Cooper cup and Robert Woods, I love both of these players like I love them for fantasy. I think that they are going to be outstanding this year. They're going to have to rely on the passing game a little bit more. Going from Gurley to a rookie in a committee backfield with an offensive line that isn't going to be able to open up holes the way they would want them to.
Andy Holloway
So more than passing more than every team in the league last year, I.
Jason Moore
Mean, or similar to the same, exact same degree, a continuation of that. And both of those guys were very fantasy relevant last year and that's with Robert woods only getting two touchdowns on the season.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I expect that number to obviously change. There were a lot of heads up questions on the live stream today about Robert woods or this guy Robert woods or that Guy love Robert. Robert woods or A.J. brown in a PPR? Well, I'm going to side with Robert woods in that equation. Robert woods is a as close to a lock for what, 85 receptions as almost anybody in football. On a team that passes the ball more than anybody in football. I have both guys inside my top 12, which is probably one of the, you know, hot takey.
Mike Wright
I don't think it's hot take.
Andy Holloway
You know, I have woods and cup at 9 and 10 and they're going in the fourth round. They're being drafted as the eight. I have woods one spot higher than cup now.
Mike Wright
All right.
Andy Holloway
In half point. But they're being drafted as the wide receiver 18 and the wide receiver 14. Why is that? Why are they down there?
Jason Moore
Well, I would say let's take it one at a time, right. Because they're different reasons. With Robert woods, he's, he's lower because he's not a sexy pick. He's not a 10 touchdown top five wide receiver upside. He's just solid. He's just going to get 130 targets, be really, really good. Unfortunately not have a high enough touchdown volume to get him to elite that you don't want him, but he is as safe as it comes. And then with Cooper cup the issue there is range of outcomes. I mean you want to talk about a guy who I believe has the ability to be a top five wide receiver, has shown it. I mean he's been a top five wide receiver for massive stretches of his career. But then you have the fear of what happened last year when they changed kind of their scheme and all of a sudden Robert woods was still on the field 98% of the snaps and Cooper Cups down there in the 60s and they're trying to change how they're playing and Cooper cup was still good. He had touchdowns in those games, kind of bailed touchdowns. Right. He was bailed out there. But I believe this coming season those two players will be on the field 90% of the play. So I am in on Cooper cup.
Mike Wright
But is that in 11 personnel or 12 personnel?
Jason Moore
I believe that all of the data on where Cooper cup thrives and struggles I think is a misnomer because of how much they've played a certain way. And so Mike, why don't you give the data that you're worried about of personnel usage.
Andy Holloway
This is over that five game span that we're going to bring up again.
Jason Moore
It's important.
Mike Wright
Okay. I don't know why you doubt it. They went, their offense was, was not great for Most of the season. I mean, you still. You brought up how he had to throw the ball more than anybody else, but he wasn't. He. Jared Goff was not dominating. And then those final five games when they made the switch to really being 12 personnel, being having two wide receivers on the field, they featured Tyler Higby, then Jared Goff just. He went off in those five games he was throwing.
Andy Holloway
They played Arizona twice. That was the worst tight end coverage team in the league. They played San Francisco and Seattle, which was the second to worst and third to worst tight end team out of the five games. So they exploited a situation in five games. That. And that would be my counter argument.
Jason Moore
That's a good counter.
Andy Holloway
And it's not that they won't do it. And I picked Tyler Higby in a bunch of heads up today just for the upside, because if a player like Tyler Higby can do what he did in five games, a lot of tight ends can't.
Mike Wright
Right.
Andy Holloway
My, my thought is just, you know, my, my point for Cooper cup being great is that you can't run this offense without Cooper Cup. I mean, you cannot. They have nobody else. I mean, they have Robert woods and Cooper cup and they throw the ball more than everybody. You know, I, I don't know what they're going to do on offense. I know that they dominated in that form, but we sat here and talked about TJ Hawkinson against Arizona in Week 1 last year, and I just don't like overemphasizing that. That's my only point.
Mike Wright
Okay, but you're willing to take the chance on Higby in the, in the back of the seventh or the early eighth?
Andy Holloway
He's being drafted as the Titans seven right now.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Wow. A lot of Higby respect right there.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I think this is both where I see people say that's way. It's still way too early. But like you're saying, not everyone in that opportunity is going to dominate like the way that Tyler Higby did. So without question, I believe they saw they found something. Tyler Higby is paid right now as well by this team. So I like him. I like taking the chance on him as, as the seventh tight end off the board.
Jason Moore
I think that the tight end position will be valuable. But Gerald Everett does scare me. Gerald Everett was not around when Tyler Higby really went off. Everett. Everett in his own right had a really nice stretch right before he got injured. So I think they're going to utilize the tight end more and it's going to be productive. But I do worry about it. I don't think it's going to be a one man show at tight end barring an injury from either one of those guys.
Andy Holloway
Everett had a number five finish in week four, a number two finish in week five. That's what I mean, five finish in week seven.
Jason Moore
You put the tight end position, you.
Andy Holloway
Put those together, they're great.
Jason Moore
Yeah, but you know, when they're both.
Andy Holloway
Healthy, can they both be effective? I mean we talk about Ertz and Goddard and you lose Brandon Cooks and you have what you talked about in the backfield, which we'll talk about here briefly. You know, with Acres and Henderson and Brown, will they have to rely on both and will that be, you know, will it be viable to play both?
Mike Wright
It is possible. We saw, you know, a couple years ago when Brandon Cooks was, was healthy and this team ran through the wide receivers. You saw multiple people, three wide receivers all have fantasy value. So I think that it is possible that they can, that both tight ends can do something. But I'm still taking the chance on.
Andy Holloway
Do either of you have this team finishing ahead of Seattle or San Francisco?
Jason Moore
No.
Mike Wright
No.
Andy Holloway
Cam Acres right now being drafted as the running back 26. They ignored Gurley in the passing game last year. I think one of the big question marks out of Acres and Henderson, are they going to throw the ball to the running back position again? Darrell Henderson only 43 touches in his rookie season. Malcolm Brown is still around. That's, that's his actual, that's the quote. Malcolm Brown's around round town of Malcolm Brown. He'll probably get, you know, he'll probably get the goal line respect in that battlefield.
Jason Moore
He will definitely annoy fantasy owners from time to time because he's a, he's a solid veteran back but, but he's not good enough to be fantasy relevant or get the usage. So for fantasy purposes, it's just someone eating into the share that we hope goes to Cam Acres according to average draft position.
Andy Holloway
Are you willing to take Cam makers in the fifth round right now?
Jason Moore
No.
Andy Holloway
With the good offense not knowing the.
Mike Wright
Situation, I guess it's just. Do you believe that Cam Acres can be Todd Gurley light?
Jason Moore
I think he can. I. So I said no, I won't take him. I believe he can talent wise. Whether or not he gets the usage, whether he's given the opportunity to do that is the big question. And I, you know, this is, we've talked about that, you know, no OTAs, no preseason. It's going to be slower sledding you know, unless, like what happened with Clyde Edwards, Allaire and the other backfield clears it up for you.
Andy Holloway
That's going to say it's so hard because Cam Maker's Draft Capital is the fifth or. Where was he drafted?
Mike Wright
I thought he was the second.
Andy Holloway
Was he second? Did he go second round?
Mike Wright
I can. I can vet it real quick, but I believe it was the second round. Yes. They didn't round it.
Andy Holloway
This situation could clear up real quick.
Jason Moore
It was their first pick.
Mike Wright
Yes.
Andy Holloway
It could clear up really quickly. Todd Gurley's out the door. Yes. You have McVeigh coming out and saying, oh, boy, I'd love to use a committee. A committee works in the NFL.
Mike Wright
52Nd overall, second round.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I'm fine with Cam Acres. I'm in on Cam in the fifth.
Jason Moore
Well, let me give. Give some fuel to that fire. Todd Gurley was not utilizing the passing game right.
Mike Wright
Well, he wasn't targeted.
Jason Moore
Exactly. That is wrong. He was very involved in the passing game. He ran. He was near the top of the league in routes. Ran.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I believe it was six. That the running back.
Andy Holloway
He also led in worthless routes ran.
Mike Wright
Well, clearly, here is my narrative street take of what happened with the Rams last year. They did it. The team didn't know at the beginning of the year, but they found out really quick that Todd Gurley is toast. They found out that he can't get it done. That's why he's running routes and not getting targeted. They're saying it's. This is a waste of our time to throw you the ball. And the McVeigh offense needs, like the running back is an engine for this team. I think that's why they spent their first pick on Cam Akers. So it's. It's definitely a sketchy pick because this is. I mean, this is just mad scientist stuff that I'm throwing out right now.
Andy Holloway
And they went with a guy that already knew how to play without an offensive line.
Mike Wright
That is also very true. You watch the Florida tape from Cam Acres. But he. That's why I think they took him with their first pick. And it could end up being just Cam Acres is getting humongous opportunity for you.
Andy Holloway
Don't spin that pick when you have limited capital on a running back. If you think Darrell Henderson.
Mike Wright
Most teams.
Andy Holloway
If you think Darrell Henderson's your future and Malcolm Brown. Darrell Henderson last year, okay, 3.7, 3.8 a carry. Don't worry about that. The offensive line struggled. They didn't see what they needed to see.
Mike Wright
There's teams that do it like Rashad Penny.
Jason Moore
Oftentimes when you look back and at the decisions you've made, I've.
Andy Holloway
I've heard life just in general.
Jason Moore
No, specifically to fancy football. A lot of times you look back and you say, man, my first instinct was the correct one. Before all the hype train and the camp reports and all of this. I do remember when I did all the research post draft, went and watched all the press conferences, tried to watch every GM and head coach talk about their draft picks. I put Cam Akers at the top of the he was my number one running back. Once we were past the clearance. Clyde Edwards a lair. John Taylor. It was based on what the Rams said and their situation. I think there is certainly a ceiling that is exciting for Cam Acres.
Andy Holloway
Favorite tape I watched outside of those outside of maybe Jonathan Taylor.
Jason Moore
Least favorite tape I watched. But favorite player I hated watching the offensive line.
Andy Holloway
That's it. Yeah, it was like pain.
Jason Moore
It was like brutal guy get the ball. Not surrounded by defense.
Andy Holloway
Once he ran away from the offensive line occasionally. He's really dynamic.
Jason Moore
Very good.
Andy Holloway
All right. Became Cam Acres hour on the show.
Mike Wright
You did well.
Andy Holloway
Maybe that'll be a new segment.
Jason Moore
Cam Acres hour. I hope so.
Andy Holloway
He has to earn that. All right, we're on to the Cardinals last year 510 and one really bad defensive performance last year for Arizona. We mentioned not being able to cover the tight end, but the offense made some big strides and it especially it looked very interesting when Kenyon Drake arrived when Cliff Kingsbury had the opportunity to get acclimated as an NFL head coach. And this is one of the teams that, you know, you have a pretty interesting you got a quarterback that could be tier one. You got a wide receiver that could be tier one. Do you have a running back in Kenyan Drake that could be tier one? Jason?
Jason Moore
Yeah. You don't have a running back that could be tier one. I think you have a running back that is tier one and I guess tier one.
Andy Holloway
I don't know the Hillary you were thinking round one.
Jason Moore
But yes, he's certainly a first round running back. I think he'll be worthy of that. When he arrived on the scene, he was pretty much great every week except for one. He was involved in the passing game, he was involved in the running game. His ability to hit a top end, you know, next gen stats. His top in speed was outstanding and that shows how he's getting the ball in space in this offense. Now I've had this conversation about this player before that in the stretches where he's been given the opportunity. He's been great. And over the course of his career, that is no longer a short sample size. He's never had a full opportunity. So that is the narrative against him, that he won't receive what we all want him to receive this year. I know Andy believes Chase Edmonds will be a little bit more involved than I certainly do. Chase Edmonds was not involved at all. Even when he got back from injury. When Kenyan Drake was there, at the.
Mike Wright
End of the day, David Johnson was still here.
Jason Moore
Yes, that is true. That's a fair counterpoint. But I believe that the opportunity will be given to him. And when you look at the transactions that were made shipping David Johnson out, doing a transition tag of $10 million on Drake.
Mike Wright
Yeah, he's getting paid.
Jason Moore
I mean, he's the guy.
Andy Holloway
Do you. You remember the big Chase Edmonds game that everybody played David Johnson instead of chase Edmonds?
Jason Moore
Yes.
Andy Holloway
27 carries, 126 yards, three touchdowns against the Giants. You know how many carries? I mean, he got hurt. How many carries the rest of the season? He had six. You're close. It's eight.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Eight carries.
Mike Wright
Yeah. And the Cardinals running back position. My favorite stat to give is if you take the starter. We didn't always know that it was going to be Chase Edmonds like you thought it was going to be David Johnson, and you weren't sure that it was going to be Kenyon Drake. When they trade for him, it was a mess.
Jason Moore
But whoever the Cardinals used as the running back one for that game was the number.
Mike Wright
If you take all those points, it's the number three overall running back. Like, that's in the range of outcomes for Kenyan Drake.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, no question. And Kenyan Drake, they love him. He's a great fit in Arizona. This is the first time you got to see him in that system. That just fit. It just fit DeAndre Hopkins.
Mike Wright
Oh, yeah, he's on the card.
Andy Holloway
I mean, we could absolutely. Like, do I still have that drop in here? We could not talk about him at all, which would be fine. I mean, we know he's a great player. It's just a matter of managing your expectations for him. He's being drafted as the wide receiver. 4.
Mike Wright
Are you in on that?
Jason Moore
Really? I did not realize he was being drafted as the wide receiver for. I believe Hopkins has a great season. I know, Mike, you have a lower target volume in this.
Mike Wright
I'm a little skeptical. I don't like when wide receivers change teams like this, but I don't.
Jason Moore
I would.
Mike Wright
Do we have an Example of a. I think Hopkins is either like the number one or number two wide receiver on this NFL list. That is happening right now. You're the top hundred players. Have we had the number like a top three wide receiver traded in the peak of their career. So I don't know if we have an actual example.
Jason Moore
You had Terrell Owens switching teams when he was in the peak of his career and he was.
Mike Wright
And he was great.
Jason Moore
You had Brandon Marshall. I don't know that he was at that caliber.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I wouldn't put him on the.
Jason Moore
Hopkins scale, but he did great and I believe that Hopkins, I mean, look. Yeah, like you said, the top 100 players are going on right now. He's one of the only wide receivers in the top 10. And of all positions, I'll say this.
Mike Wright
Based off of just like what they had to give up in the trade. They don't really value Hopkins that much.
Jason Moore
Yes. Expiring contract David Johnson and a second round pick gets you DeAndre Hopkins. Yeah.
Mike Wright
Oh, man.
Jason Moore
Thanks for.
Mike Wright
Thanks, Bill.
Jason Moore
All that being said, I would not draft him as the fourth wide receiver off the board. I have him ranked right now as my wide receiver 5. But like we've said, you have to look at range of outcomes, not just a linear draft ranking.
Andy Holloway
It was like the trade happened all over again for me.
Mike Wright
Oh, yeah.
Andy Holloway
When the NFL and the NFLPA reached their agreement for the 2020 season, you know, you do things both in fantasy and reality to like, protect yourself against the risk of, like, do I not get to see kyler Murray and DeAndre Hopkins this year? And then they got that deal done. And I was like, we have DeAndre Hopkins in Arizona.
Mike Wright
Pretty cool.
Jason Moore
So he's not going to have the same target market share that he's had while he's getting these 170 target, you know, seasons. As a Houston Texan, he's been living at the 30% target market share, which is, you know, outlandish. To repeat, it's elite unless you're DeAndre Hopkins. But if he goes down, I've got him down at 23% market share, which I think is fair. I feel like that's near his floor for being as elite as he is. And with the expected uptick in pace of play and passing plays from the Cardinals, that puts him at 141 targets. I think that's going to be a great season for Hopkins. But, Mike, you. Where are you at on the targets? Because I know you when you were digging in, you saw something different.
Mike Wright
Well, it's just the way that Arizona plays. Like you said, the Houston Texans formula was throw the ball to DeAndre Hopkins and meanwhile, Arizona spreads it out. They're running four wide receivers out. So, I mean, the auxiliary players are getting targets. It's who's open. They didn't force feed anybody. DeAndre Hopkins skill certainly can dictate that you have to throw me the ball. But that's, that's simply my concerns where I've, you know, taken. Taken my projections for him down compared to what Hopkins has been doing the past couple of years.
Andy Holloway
Are fantasy owners going to need to pay attention to Christian Kirk or Larry Fitzgerald at all this year?
Mike Wright
I think, look, I'm, I've been rising on Kirk. We have, we've forgotten how bad Kirk actually got hurt. And that was highlighted to me, in fact, by Christian Kirk on Twitter, where I can't remember if he tweeted it or if he was just retweeting it, but he. They were talking about in this tweet how we're giving the benefit of the doubt to these players like Saquon, who had a terrible ankle injury that he just played through. And Kirk, Kirk's like.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I remember pointing out it happened early last year. Well, week four.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Mike Wright
That Kirk had an ankle injury and he was, he was still, he still flashed. We still saw enough of Kirk that maybe he's not as dead for fantasy as I have spent most of the offseason thinking.
Jason Moore
He's a quality wide receiver for an offense that projects to be fast, have to score a lot of points and have the ability to score. So I think he should be looked at later in drafts as. Now, is he the wide receiver, too? I have him as the wide receiver, too.
Andy Holloway
I have question. No question.
Jason Moore
Agreed. No question. Just wanted to have the question and answer it. So, yeah, I think, I think Christian Kirk is fine. I don't know if he's going to be able to battle the targets away from Dan Arnold, the postman.
Mike Wright
Look, the postman always delivers.
Jason Moore
Tight end.
Andy Holloway
Has Dan Arnold been the last pick of your draft in.
Jason Moore
Pretty much whenever. If I'm in like a 20 plus round draft, I love my last pick being Dan Arnold, tight end for the Arizona.
Andy Holloway
How many people out there still don't know who that is?
Jason Moore
Well, everybody who hasn't listened to this.
Mike Wright
Podcast now, Al Borland found the tweet. Excellent work, producer Al. And someone had tweeted out, said, how come if Saquon plays through an ankle injury, everyone gives him the benefit of the doubt, but if Christian Kirk does it, then he must suck for having bad efficiency while playing through the injury. And Christian Kirk retweeted it and said, say it louder for the people in the back, please.
Andy Holloway
Well, sure. You got to believe in yourself, Mike. Just got to believe in yourself.
Mike Wright
It was just a reminder of, oh, yeah, he was hurt.
Jason Moore
So all these weapons. Let's say Christian Kirk is great, and we know Kenyon Drake can catch it out of the backfield. And of course, Dan Arnold will probably be the best tight end in the history of the league. The last hyperbole aside, all of this goes to Kyler Murray.
Mike Wright
Correct?
Jason Moore
The passing volume mixed with the rushing volume. He was near 100 carries last season. That is an outstanding number. It's only been done twice.
Mike Wright
It's so funny. Like, sorry, you can give your stat, but just of how. How much Kyler Murray ran. But now the bar has been moved so far by Lamar Jackson, where you're like, 500 rushing yards loser. Get it together, Kyler.
Andy Holloway
Ew.
Jason Moore
But Kyler legitimately could have 100 rushing attempts and 500 passing attempts.
Mike Wright
Right?
Jason Moore
And for fantasy football, that is absolute. That's only been done two times in NFL history. It was rookie Cam Newton, who finishes the quarterback four, and in 2002, Dante Culpepper, who finishes the quarterback one man, Dante Culpepper. That was a good.
Andy Holloway
Yes.
Mike Wright
Blast from the past.
Andy Holloway
And I don't think that there's anybody out there that doesn't acknowledge what the ceiling is for Kyler Murray. It's huge.
Jason Moore
But is this floor. Baker? Can he. Baker. Because Baker last year was. No, the guy who's getting Odell Beckham. He had a great rookie season.
Andy Holloway
If Baker could run, Baker wouldn't have Baker.
Jason Moore
I completely agree. That's. That's the difference. That's the quote of the day, the rushing baseline that Kyler can provide.
Mike Wright
But he's Baker.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Mike Wright
So Baker. Baker.
Andy Holloway
Right. That's fair. Baker. Baker. Because he.
Mike Wright
Because he's Baker.
Andy Holloway
Because he's Baker.
Mike Wright
Yeah. Not Kyler.
Andy Holloway
No, I don't think Kyler can. Baker. He could certainly.
Mike Wright
He could certainly struggle, get a candlestick maker.
Andy Holloway
He could. Candlestick maker? Yeah. Look, you have a tale of rookies make the leap, and when they make the leap, it's great. It's huge. It's not a small leap when that year one to year two, the Mar. Lamar Jackson leap. That's something that happens frequently. Carson Wentz did it, right? MVP candidate, year two. Boom.
Jason Moore
Welcome, homes.
Andy Holloway
Welcome to the party. Patrick Mahomes. Hey. Although that was kind of year one, that was kind of his first year.
Mike Wright
It was his second year technically.
Andy Holloway
But wins Lamar, what a jump. They're really big examples of that. But you can Baker, you can Trubisky. But because Kyler plays from a hometown team, he's not going to do that.
Mike Wright
So will you take him in the fifth? At the end of the fifth?
Andy Holloway
Certainly.
Mike Wright
Okay.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. Yeah. Because you did Mike, and I do what you do well.
Mike Wright
I know I'm a very smart person. Thank you.
Andy Holloway
All right, that'll do it for the divisional breakdowns. We're done, guys. We got.
Mike Wright
Well, we made it.
Andy Holloway
And obviously that was a countdown to the super bowl champion. And we ended it was in reverse order. So this is the Super Bowl.
Jason Moore
Oh, fantastic. That's great news for us as Cardinals fans.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. Yep. Super bowl champs.
Jason Moore
Glad we didn't talk about the defense.
Andy Holloway
And nor will we. Yeah, Fantasy football is great. All right, that is it for the episode. Definitely. Check out the Ultimate Draft kit atultimatedraftkit.com and like Jason said so confusingly at the top of the show, we have shows every single day next week.
Jason Moore
Yes, except for Saturday and Sunday.
Mike Wright
No Saturday show this week. But we will be back Monday. It is the Ice and Fire show. Asked when it was happening, it's happening on Monday. See you then. Goodbye.
Jason Moore
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Podcast: Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
Release Date: July 30, 2020
Episode Title: Hype Edwards-Helaire + NFC West Breakdown
In this episode, the Fantasy Footballers delve deep into significant offseason developments impacting fantasy football managers. The primary focus revolves around Damian Williams opting out of the 2020 NFL season, the emergence of Clyde Edwards-Helaire as a potential top-tier running back, and a comprehensive breakdown of the competitive NFC West division.
The episode opens with a major headline: Damian Williams, running back for the Kansas City Chiefs, has opted out of the 2020 season. This decision sends shockwaves through the fantasy football community, given Williams' promising performance and future potential.
Mike Wright ([04:15]):
"Damian Williams is going to miss the entire season. This is wild, wild, wild stuff."
Andy Holloway ([04:46]):
"Every player is making a decision for their family, their circumstances, and what's going on. But for fantasy decision-making purposes, we know Clyde Edwards-Helaire is going to have the opportunity."
This development opens the door for Clyde Edwards-Helaire, a rookie with significant hype, to step into a more prominent role within the Chiefs' backfield.
With Williams out, Edwards-Helaire becomes a focal point for fantasy managers seeking high-upside running backs.
Andy Holloway ([07:00]):
"Clyde Edwards-Helaire is a top six fantasy running back and get it in."
Jason Moore ([08:16]):
"I have Clyde Edwards-Helaire at running back seven. So this is not an outlandish spot."
The hosts discuss Edwards-Helaire's versatility in both rushing and receiving, drawing parallels to successful dual-threat backs like Christian McCaffrey and Alvin Kamara.
The trio evaluates whether Edwards-Helaire should be considered a buy or sell in fantasy drafts.
Andy Holloway ([07:00]):
"Buy or sell Clyde Edwards-Helaire is a top six fantasy running back and get it in."
Jason Moore ([09:08]):
"I think he's a better receiving back, but not as good as a runner. So I have him at running back seven for me."
Consensus: Edwards-Helaire is viewed as a high-value asset with the potential to outperform his current draft position, especially within a strong offensive framework like the Chiefs'.
Beyond Williams, other players have opted out or faced uncertainties, impacting various fantasy strategies.
Devin Funches ([14:28]):
"He was going to play or as his body opted out."
Likely out for the season due to an ACL injury.
Marquis Goodwin ([15:07]):
"He's very, very fast. He still could have helped the Philadelphia Eagles."
Opting out affects the Eagles' wide receiver depth.
Nate Solder ([16:32]):
"He opted out. He was not, I mean he was like PFS 46 ranked tackle last year."
An offensive tackle opting out impacts the Rams' offensive line strength.
DeAndre Washington and Darwin Thompson ([13:43]):
"I have Darrell Williams as the main backup. DeAndre Washington kind of fits the bill here as a Clyde Edwards-Hilaire mold."
Potential waiver wire pickups for dynasty league managers.
The hosts provide an in-depth analysis of each team within the NFC West, assessing their strengths, weaknesses, and fantasy implications.
Last season, the 49ers boasted a dominant rushing attack, ranking second in the league with 144 rushing yards per game and leading in rushing touchdowns.
However, recent changes such as the departure of Matt Breida and the acquisition of Brandon Aiyuk introduce new dynamics.
Key Players:
The Seahawks finished last season with an 11-5 record, heavily relying on Russell Wilson's exceptional quarterback play.
Mike Wright ([34:05]):
"Russell Wilson is the QB5 right now."
Jason Moore ([35:23]):
"Russell Wilson is awesome for fantasy."
The offensive strategy emphasizes a run-heavy approach, occasionally turning to Wilson for big plays in critical moments.
Key Players:
The Rams' offense struggled last season, ranking 31st in passing due to offensive line issues and inconsistent quarterback play from Jared Goff.
The team invests in new talent like Cam Akers and Van Jefferson to revitalize the offense under new head coach Sean McVay.
Key Players:
Kyler Murray's dual-threat QB play makes the Cardinals an intriguing option for fantasy managers. The addition of DeAndre Hopkins significantly boosts their wide receiver depth.
However, the shift from the Texans to the Cardinals raises questions about Hopkins' target distribution.
Key Players:
Throughout the episode, the hosts offer strategic advice tailored to various fantasy formats, emphasizing the importance of adaptability in drafts and roster management.
Andy Holloway ([27:39]):
"He's a great fit in Arizona. This is the first time you got to see him in that system."
Highlighting the importance of system fit for player performance.
Jason Moore ([39:35]):
"Tyler Lockett's ceiling is higher than what we've seen."
Recommending Lockett over other wide receiver options based on upside potential.
Mike Wright ([53:19]):
"They invested two second-round picks on offensive players. Cam Akers could be a game-changer."
Advocating for early-round picks on high-upside players like Akers.
Andy Holloway ([04:46]):
"Every player is making a decision for their family, their circumstances, and what's going on. But for fantasy decision-making purposes, we know Clyde Edwards-Helaire is going to have the opportunity."
Mike Wright ([11:01]):
"And this is not being hot-takey. Clyde Edwards-Helaire is now a first-round pick."
Jason Moore ([08:16]):
"I have Clyde Edwards-Helaire at running back seven. So this is not an outlandish spot."
Mike Wright ([34:05]):
"Russell Wilson is the QB5 right now."
Jason Moore ([35:23]):
"Russell Wilson is awesome for fantasy."
Mike Wright ([53:19]):
"They spent their first pick on Cam Akers."
Andy Holloway ([62:00]):
"Clyde Edwards-Allaire is going to have the opportunity."
The Fantasy Footballers provide a nuanced analysis of the evolving landscape in the NFC West, emphasizing the importance of staying informed and flexible in draft strategies. With significant player movements and opt-outs reshaping team dynamics, managers are encouraged to reassess their rankings and consider high-upside players like Clyde Edwards-Helaire to maximize their fantasy potential.
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