Ice & Fire Picks, Hot Lockett, Groin Index

Summary

Podcast Summary: Fantasy Footballers - "Ice & Fire Picks, Hot Lockett, Groin Index" (May 16, 2019)

Hosted by Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright, the Fantasy Footballers deliver expert analysis and actionable advice to help fantasy football enthusiasts dominate their leagues. In this episode titled "Ice & Fire Picks, Hot Lockett, Groin Index," the hosts delve into player performances, potential regressions, breakout candidates, and crucial NFL updates.

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1. Introduction to "Ice & Fire Picks" Segment

Timestamp: [00:54] - [02:15]

The hosts introduce the featured segment "Ice & Fire Picks," a popular segment debuted during last year's live tour. Andy Holloway expresses enthusiasm, stating, “Ice and fire. On the show today” ([00:54]). Mike Wright adds, “Probably the best thing we've ever done” ([01:28]), highlighting the segment's success and popularity among listeners.

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2. Analyzing Tyler Lockett's Performance

Timestamp: [03:05] - [07:03]

The discussion begins with Tyler Lockett's impressive but puzzling 2018 season. Mike Wright remarks, “Tyler Lockett's 2018 season haunts my dreams” ([03:53]), expressing concern over his statistical anomalies. Lockett maintained consistent targets and receptions, but his catch percentage, yards, and touchdowns surged unexpectedly.

Key Points:

• Air Yards Analysis: Mike explains the concept of air yards, emphasizing that high air yards typically indicate positive reception potential. However, Lockett's receiving yards surpass his air yards, which is unusual and suggests inefficiency ([04:55]).
• Potential Regression vs. Continued Growth: Despite the data suggesting a regression, Jason Moore defends Lockett, aligning with Matt Harmon’s positive outlook: “I go with impress because look at what Matt Harmon has always thought” ([07:03]). Moore trusts in Lockett's role with Russell Wilson and anticipates sustained or improved performance.

Notable Quote:

• Mike Wright [04:00]: “Tyler Lockett's 2018 season haunts my dreams.”

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3. "Ice Picks" Analysis

a. Jimmy Garoppolo as an Ice Pick

Timestamp: [18:42] - [27:19]

Jason Moore selects Jimmy Garoppolo as his Ice Pick for 2019, expressing skepticism about Garoppolo’s ability to maintain high touchdown numbers.

Key Points:

• Touchdown Expectations: Moore projects Garoppolo will need to throw around 24-25 touchdowns to remain relevant, citing last season's performance ([25:31]). He worries that without significant improvement, Garoppolo might not reach the necessary threshold.
• Offensive Dynamics: The shift in offensive strategies under Kyle Shanahan, with a focus on running backs like Jerick McKinnon, could limit Garoppolo’s opportunities for turnovers ([25:09]).

Notable Quotes:

• Jason Moore [25:31]: “If he's going to be back there as a passing quarterback, he'll have the yardage. He's going to have to have touchdowns to capitalize.”
• Andy Holloway [25:42]: “That's why he’s an ice pick.”

b. Eric Ebron as an Ice Pick

Timestamp: [28:37] - [33:07]

Mike Wright names Eric Ebron as his Ice Pick, citing concerns over his role and injury history.

Key Points:

• Historical Performance: Ebron has only rarely posted high touchdown numbers, with a notable but unsustained burst last season.
• Injury Concerns: Ebron is recovering from a groin injury, raising doubts about his return to form ([10:04]).
• Role Uncertainty: With Jack Doyle’s return, Ebron's snap counts have fluctuated drastically, dropping to 21% and then 38% in subsequent games, undermining his reliability as a fantasy asset ([28:37]).

Notable Quotes:

• Mike Wright [28:37]: “Eric Ebron was not a full-time player when Jack Doyle was on the field.”
• Jason Moore [31:46]: “2019 will be the year of Kerryon Johnson,” indirectly supporting concerns about Ebron's role stability.

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4. "Fire Picks" Analysis

a. Mike Williams as a Fire Pick

Timestamp: [33:52] - [38:05]

Andy Holloway chooses Mike Williams of the Los Angeles Chargers as his Fire Pick, anticipating an uptick in Williams’ production.

Key Points:

• Increased Targets: With the departure of Tyrell Williams, Mike Williams is positioned to receive more targets, enhancing his fantasy value.
• Playoff Performance: Williams showcased his potential in the playoffs against New England with 11 targets and substantial receptions ([35:29]).
• Physical Attributes: His size and goal-line presence make him a consistent touchdown threat, essential for fantasy success ([35:29]).

Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway [33:52]: “Mike Williams is my fire pick for 2019.”
• Andy Holloway [36:21]: “He has to be what Vincent Jackson used to be in San Diego.”

b. Kerryon Johnson as a Fire Pick

Timestamp: [39:35] - [43:22]

Jason Moore selects Kerryon Johnson of the Detroit Lions as his Fire Pick, forecasting a breakout season rooted in efficiency and increased usage.

Key Points:

• Efficiency and Versatility: Johnson demonstrated remarkable efficiency last season, averaging 5.4 yards per carry and being a dual-threat in receiving ([39:35]).
• Team Dynamics: With improvements in the Lions' offensive line and the dissolution of his competition, Johnson is poised for a significant increase in carries and targets ([40:20]).
• Comparative Advantage: Moore likens Johnson’s potential to that of David Johnson's, expecting consistent fantasy production despite the team’s overall offensive challenges ([41:45]).

Notable Quotes:

• Jason Moore [39:35]: “2019 will be the year of Kerryon Johnson.”
• Andy Holloway [42:14]: “Do we think that Detroit is a better football team than the Green Bay Packers, Minnesota Vikings or Chicago Bears?”

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5. NFL News and Updates

a. Eric Ebron’s Injury and Groin Index

Timestamp: [09:37] - [12:37]

The hosts discuss Eric Ebron’s groin injury and critique the Groin Index newsletter, warning listeners against relying on it for injury updates.

Notable Quotes:

• Mike Wright [10:15]: “What's the, I actually don't recommend the Groin Index.”
• Jason Moore [11:04]: “You guys don't subscribe.”

b. Jets Fire GM and VP of Personnel

Timestamp: [13:40] - [16:03]

Significant news emerges as the New York Jets fire their General Manager Adam Gase and Vice President of Personnel following unsuccessful offseason moves, including the high-profile trade for Sam Darnold and acquisitions of Le'Veon Bell and C.J. Mosley.

Key Points:

• Impact on Le'Veon Bell: Concerns arise regarding Le'Veon Bell’s role and workload under interim GM Adam Gase, potentially affecting his fantasy value ([14:23]).
• Team Direction: The firing signifies a shift in the Jets’ strategy, leaving uncertainty about future offensive tactics and player utilization.

Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway [14:01]: “Adam Gase is the interim GM now.”
• Jason Moore [15:31]: “Le'Veon Bell with a healthy workload.”

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6. Auction Highlights and Promotions

Timestamp: [48:47] - [49:16]

In the “Pristine Deal of the Day” segment, Keenan Allen’s signed Under Armour football cleat is highlighted, selling for $65 on pristineauction.com. The hosts praise the uniqueness of such memorabilia, including signed cleats and rare items like David Montgomery’s gear.

Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway [48:47]: “What’s cool is they have things like an Adam Thielen pylon in a signed cleat.”

Note: Promotional content for the Ultimate Draft Kit and Hellofresh was excluded per instructions to skip advertisements and non-content sections.

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7. Conclusion

Timestamp: [49:03] - END

The hosts wrap up the episode by reiterating their commitment to helping listeners win their fantasy leagues. They encourage reviews on Apple Podcasts and promote live show tickets via ballerslive.com.

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Key Takeaways:

• Tyler Lockett remains a debated topic with mixed projections regarding his performance.
• Jimmy Garoppolo and Eric Ebron are highlighted as potential "Ice" picks due to concerns over their upcoming seasons.
• Mike Williams and Kerryon Johnson are identified as "Fire" picks with high upside and expected increases in production.
• Recent NFL news, including the Jets' management changes, may have significant implications for player roles and fantasy strategies.
• Listeners are cautioned against unreliable injury reporting sources like the Groin Index newsletter.

For more insights and detailed analysis, tuning into the full episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast is recommended.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from pristineauction.com studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Ah, welcome in. Bringing it back. We're bringing it back. Ice and fire. Yes. Ice and fire. On the show today.

[Mike Wright]

Ice and fire.

[Andy Holloway]

Ice and fire. We debuted this segment, the featured segment on today's show. We debuted that on last year's live tour and it was a, it was a wonderful success.

[Mike Wright]

Probably the best thing we've ever done.

[Jason Moore]

People often on the foot cast, our Thursday show, they say, they literally come to the and just say, please play that drop. Please just, just play it.

[Mike Wright]

After that, don't say anything. Just play the drop.

[Andy Holloway]

Play it multiple times. So that's on today's show. For all intents and purposes, this is our kind of individual super early sleeper. Super early bust.

[Jason Moore]

Pigs.

[Mike Wright]

No, it's our Ice and Fire players.

[Andy Holloway]

Because we do have a very exciting end to the Game of Thrones universe coming on Sunday. And so we will. Jason, you doing okay?

[Jason Moore]

I'm still not over anything we're supposed to say.

[Andy Holloway]

Spoiler alert. Yes, that's what the nice people say. If you haven't watched it, if you're a fireman, as Mike pointed out, firefighters, firefighters are a guest. Part of their job.

[Mike Wright]

They're people.

[Andy Holloway]

You're not allowed to watch Game of Thrones until three days, four days later.

[Mike Wright]

Well, to be fair, my cousin's a firefighter. I know what he does at the firehouse.

[Andy Holloway]

No, you did say you got some feedback. Firefighters that shout out to the diligent firefighter who doesn't just, you know, like us, watch Game of Thrones.

[Mike Wright]

Am I right?

[Andy Holloway]

We heard one person in France who takes a little extra time. That's because people in France. Well, it's a 30 hour work week.

[Mike Wright]

The TV signal has to go all the way over there.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that's a ways.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

That's not just.

[Mike Wright]

We actually send it by boat.

[Andy Holloway]

Really?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

In big reels.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

But there's only one reel and then they have to duplicate it. It's a huge mess.

[Andy Holloway]

I Did not know any of that. Mike, learn about France, man. All right, we do have a great quick question to start the show. It's a little bonus. Bonus Regressor impress bonus. We had the regressor impress show on Tuesday. We did not talk about, yes, Tyler Lockett. We brought up the fact Doug Baldwin, he's retiring in Seattle, great career. But we didn't talk about the fantasy implications, the fantasy impact of the retirement of Doug Baldwin. Tyler Lockett, I heard Mike call him the Loch Ness Monster yesterday because he is just an enigma, a mystery, and.

[Mike Wright]

It was a clever pun, correct?

[Andy Holloway]

Correct. So there was also another quote from Mike. He said, Tyler Lockett's 2018 season haunts my dreams.

[Mike Wright]

Here's the thing, because I've talked about it for a while, of how just going off of the raw statistics and how they just skyrocketed, where he got the same targets, the same receptions, but his catch percentage and yards and touchdowns just went through the absolute roof. And then someone had asked me, well, what is. What happened with his air yards? And if you're not familiar, air yards, you're just measuring the ball in the air. I mean, these aren't, like, scored or anything, but it helps you identify what's happening with a wide receiver. A lot of air yards is very, very positive, and you. You know that they're going to eventually hit. And it's all players that actually have more receiving yards than air yards. Makes complete sense. You have Michael Thomas, Julian Edelman, Adam Humphries, Cole Beasley, ppr guys who are yards after the catch, they're getting it short, and then they're adding on after the ball has traveled through the air.

[Jason Moore]

Not. Not desean Jackson, who's going deep.

[Mike Wright]

Mike Evans, you know, just huge air yards.

[Jason Moore]

Tyler Lockett. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

That's the thing is last year, somehow Tyler Lockett, who generally speaking, has double the amount of air yards than he does receiving yards, had more receiving yards and air yards. It's literally impossible.

[Andy Holloway]

What he handling this well? No, you're gonna find. You're gonna go talk to somebody. We've already arranged it. You're gonna sit down once a week, talk through your Tyler Lockett, Russell Wilson feelings.

[Jason Moore]

I feel like he feels about Tyler Lockett how I feel about Danny.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, like from Game of Thrones?

[Jason Moore]

Yes. I can't handle.

[Mike Wright]

I cannot. I cannot handle what Tyler Lockett did because more from the projecting him into next year. And now you have some. Some reports coming out, like Evan Silva's tweeting out, it sounds like from Seattle, that Tyler Lockett is going to be the slot guy. Now what is happening?

[Andy Holloway]

Huge problems projecting Seattle in general.

[Mike Wright]

Massive.

[Andy Holloway]

You have a very compelling case for regression based on the analytics of Tyler Lockett. Except that if that regression happens, but it is counterbalanced by the fact Doug Baldwin retires, by the fact he moves into the slot and maybe receives higher quantities of targets and more total reception.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, the slot news breaks everything.

[Andy Holloway]

All of this makes it very difficult to predict regression. In our ultimate draft kit, we make a number of picks for sleepers, breakouts, values, busts. Lockett was written on our board as a question mark around the bust category and we couldn't do it because of the removal of Doug Baldwin. Because of. I don't even like looking at Tyler Lockett's consistency charts as an indicator of anything because this was a player who has had injury issues, who was. He's been young and has been an ascending talent in the NFL going through changes of offense in Seattle.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I mean, I don't even read.

[Andy Holloway]

Into 20, 15, 16 and 17 because it's just too far in the past.

[Jason Moore]

If this is a regress or impress, obviously the data says that he should regress, but I would actually go the other way, which is rare. You know, usually I'm always siding with the data. I go with impress because look at what Matt Harmon has always thought. You know, when he charts him out, he's always, since, you know, rookie year, Tyler Lockett said, look, this is a really good wide receiver now. If you have a really good wide receiver who is now the number one undisputed with a Hall of Fame quarterback in his prime, I mean, you know what, what more do you want than a really talented wide receiver and a really talented quarterback? I realize that they're not a high passing volume team, but Russell Wilson is going to get the job done and he's going to do that with Tyler Lockett. So I'm, I'm in on Tyler Lockett for 2019.

[Andy Holloway]

And the thing that we have to remember too, we were a little bit shocked at what Seattle did last year. This was a player for fantasy purposes. That was the 44th, 61st, 58th going into last year. Those were his fantasy finishes for three consecutive years. And then he got paid by Seattle. You remember that?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

It was almost as though they knew not only that they were going to utilize him in conjunction with that big paycheck, but just that what was on the table, like Doug Baldwin's future not secure. They obviously went out and drafted DK Metcalf. I'm Sitting here going, okay, how much of an impact will Metcalf have compared to a guy like What Gary Jennings, 4th round draft pick? You just don't know who's going to emerge, but you know who Tyler Lockett is. So it's an interesting case. Mike, let us know if you work through some of the impossible demons at some point in time. We encourage you to follow us on Twitter. I'm going to give you all of the handles. The FF Ballers is the show handle at Andy Holloway. That's mine. Jason at JasonFFL. Mike, you can follow the Hitman himself at ffhitman. The website is the fantasy footballers.com and one thing I wanted to mention, we appreciate all the reviews that we've seen coming in on Apple Podcasts. They do a lot for the show. So if you enjoy what you're listening to, if you're excited about us moving to three days a week, five days a week in the season, please head over to Apple Podcasts, leave us a review. And if you're interested, if you're in Chicago, if you're in San Francisco, New York, Phoenix, and you want to come see the show live, you can go to ballerslive.com get your tickets, they are going quick. There aren't any left in Los Angeles. So if you're in one of those cities, head over there. Let's talk about some news.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league presented by slee.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's talk about Colts tight ends, gentlemen. Not to be outdone, Eric Ebron, he read the report about Jack Doyle expected to be ready from camp with the hip injury. Well, Eric Ebron is also on the mend from a groin injury.

[Jason Moore]

I feel like I missed this in the.

[Mike Wright]

Everybody did. This is the first I've heard of it. And when I saw beat reporters talking about it, they you guys don't subscribe.

[Andy Holloway]

To the Groin Index, the newsletter? It was all over that, man.

[Mike Wright]

What's the. I actually don't recommend for the Groin Index.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't recommend subscribing to that. I really don't. You know, you think you want it and then you don't.

[Mike Wright]

Groin index.com you registering it.

[Andy Holloway]

Please don't. Eric Ebron. No, nobody knew about it. This happens every offseason, right? You get a handful of players that, oh, they went under the knife to get something taken care of. What does it matter? I mean, what is the impact for you?

[Mike Wright]

Well, the impacts is probably nothing. It just, it's very positive for my narrative that Eric Ebron will Be a nice player. I'm going to talk about him later.

[Jason Moore]

We already said you're supposed to say spoiler. You spoil. You're spoiling the rest of the show. Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Sorry.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's. Anything else to add?

[Jason Moore]

I mean, look, it's not. You don't want players coming off of injury, so it is. It's in the negative column for Ibrahim.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. NFL Networks. Mike Garofalo confirms Bill Belichick is going to be the defensive coordinator for the team in 2019. That means there will not be a head coaching candidate coming out of the defensive coordinator position next year. Tyler Ifert. He has been essentially a full go in offseason workouts. We've all been through our initial rankings for the 2019 fantasy football season. Tyler Ifert is my highest ranked Cincinnati Bengals tight end. He's mine as well, but that put him in the 15 range as a sleeper tight end candidate.

[Mike Wright]

Look, if you're going to completely punt the tight end position and take a tight end with your last pick, I'm saying it again, Tyler, you could do worse than going into week one, seeing if Tyler Ifert can be healthy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, no, that's fair. Albert Wilson sidelined to start OTAs.

[Jason Moore]

That's expected.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. It's just that Albert Wilson, for fantasy purposes, is a dangerous.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would go further and say Miami.

[Andy Holloway]

What did I say?

[Jason Moore]

You said Albert Wilson.

[Andy Holloway]

See, I. Miami in general. You're saying you're taking Wells and you're expanding it to Stills, into Parker, into.

[Jason Moore]

There's no sure fire. I mean, I like Drake. I'll take Drake and nothing else.

[Andy Holloway]

Love the Drake. Love the Drake. The Cleveland Plain Dealers. Mary Kay Cabot reports Duke Johnson will participate in OTAs. It's amazing how many times this has to be reported that he will be playing for the team he's on. That is not a good sign for him. Fantasy purposes.

[Jason Moore]

When he demanded a trade, you know, it was one of those things where, okay, you go out, sign cream hunt. I don't want to be here. I want to get and I want to be involved. But clearly the team is saying, look, you're going to be involved. You are part of the plan. We need you. You're going nowhere. So he has no choice.

[Mike Wright]

To be fair for Duke, when he did this the first time, when he made a bit of a scene, if you recall, when he like, basically deleted his Twitter and it was this really strange, passive aggressive social media attack, it worked out. The contract came in right after that.

[Andy Holloway]

So he could disappear to another Team.

[Mike Wright]

Well, just saying. I don't blame him for going back to the well when it worked the first time.

[Andy Holloway]

It's fair if teams, they go under social pressure.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

And they bend. All right, what about this news? Because this broke this morning.

[Mike Wright]

So bizarre.

[Andy Holloway]

The jets have fired their GM and.

[Mike Wright]

Their VP of personnel.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, both these guys were the ones that orchestrated the trade up for Sam Darnold. They orchestrated all of the offseason signings of Le'Veon Bell and C.J. mosley and the big. The big acquisitions, and they're gone. They're done. And reports are coming out all over the place about Adam Gaze not wanting to sign Le'Veon Bell.

[Mike Wright]

Uh oh.

[Andy Holloway]

Because the honest truth was this. And we've said it all off season, like nobody. We knew he'd get paid because it.

[Mike Wright]

Only takes one, but.

[Andy Holloway]

Because it only takes one team. But nobody wants to spend that kind of money on the running back position, no matter how good you are. I mean, Adam Gase, he's got this weapon now. He has no choice. But he's the interim GM now.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's. Mr. Butthole's kicking people out of the. Out of the organization.

[Mike Wright]

Now look, we're in just the realm of speculation. And he said, she said stuff coming out of New York. Do you believe Adam Gase did not want to do this? Vehemently. And do you. Do you think this affects things at all? Like, if Adam Gaze didn't want him, will he really, really say, okay, I'm giving you 20 plus carries a game, I'm giving you six targets a game?

[Jason Moore]

If there is a coach who would take a talented player who's clearly best and not just give him Runway to do his job, I think he got the name for a reason. So it's almost like he's done it before.

[Andy Holloway]

Shout out to Kenyon Drake.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So no, look, former guest of the show.

[Jason Moore]

But as of now. As of now, I am not changing my rankings. I have Le'Veon Bell with a healthy workload. The money dictates that the talent should dictate that. But we can't just ignore the fact that there's a reason he got the moniker and it could happen again.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, and the thing is, is if you. If you don't have this report, you at least believe Gase has a vision for bringing him in. You would have thought he was the driver. He says, I need this guy. He's got to be a part of my offense. I want to use him in this way. If it was a middling running back and you found this out, I would be more concerned because it's love Bell and the money. Like Jason said, the guy who gave.

[Mike Wright]

Him that money, his he gone.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Well, that Bell's there, so we'll see what happens. Be sure to play on a fantasy sports platform. That does not suck. That is key.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, well, get a load of this.

[Jason Moore]

Ice and fire. Now, listen, if you were playing this through your iPhone, your hydroids or your Android speaker, just, you know, you've got it on, You're. You're in the bathroom, you got it playing through your phone. Stop it. Go back, put the headphones in. Sit in a good.

[Andy Holloway]

Go back to the bathroom with the headphones in.

[Jason Moore]

That's fine. That'll work.

[Andy Holloway]

That'll work.

[Jason Moore]

And play that dropover. Well done, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

I know how you came up with the music, but it was great.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Ice and fire. A lot more fire than ice on the last episode, let's put it that way. We're going to make the little thematic transition into fantasy football here. Pick an ice pick. Any fire pick for 2019. These are fun.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

These are exciting. I'm going to start.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

And we're going to bring the ice first. Right. You deal with the Night King first, and then you deal with the innocent people. My ice pick and I, there were several that I was looking at, but I don't know if it can be any icier than New York City for the football Giants. And I actually think Golden Tate could underwhelm in a big way this year. Golden Tate's kind of track record in fantasy football in the National Football League has been yards after the catch. Right. You just brought up the air yards versus, like, you know, Golden Tate multiple times has led the league in yards after the catch.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

He's always going to catch the ball six, seven yards away from the line of scrimmage. That's just this historical average. But is that going to be enough for fantasy owners in New York? He's a new addition to that offense. And if he's great, gentlemen, do you realize why targets?

[Mike Wright]

I mean, he has to get volume.

[Andy Holloway]

From whom?

[Jason Moore]

Eli.

[Andy Holloway]

Eli Manning. If he's great. Eli Manning is playing a part in.

[Mike Wright]

Symphony or the tight end who's going to come play?

[Andy Holloway]

Quarterback Daniel Jones.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, that's his name.

[Andy Holloway]

And so, you know, three or four touchdowns, the ball inaccurately or occasionally thrown to him six or seven yards from line of scrimmage. I think that you could. You have a real wasteland situation that's possible in New York with the pass catchers.

[Jason Moore]

Well, and just to add to your point, think about. Think about what the defenses are going to be doing against the New York Giants that they couldn't do against when he was, you know, in his heyday with the Lions. Right. You've got Golladay or Marvin Jones. You got people stretching the field going long now. It's like, okay, where's the defense? Focus. They're all up at the line. They're like, go ahead, Eli. They're trying to stop Saquon. They're trying to, you know, so that short stuff, those screens, there's going to be a lot of defenders in that area for Golden Tate to have to break through and get those yards after.

[Andy Holloway]

And he's not old, like, Golden Tate's not old, but he's. He's 30 years old, and he's been around the block a few times. He wasn't very relevant in Philadelphia, and I'll give him the pass on that because midseason, transition, whatever you want to say, but he's not a player that's going to be a guarantee to show up in the end zone. And if he's bad, I find a lot More reasons why he would be bad. Low pass volume. Eli Manning could be a problem. He could transition to Daniel Jones. Saquon Sterling Shepard Ingram could receive enough of a low pass volume offense to kind of reduce him into a fantasy disappointment. And so, you know, it's just something that I think could be a deceptive pick, going to a new team and not knowing what Golden Tate's really going to be. And a lot of times people say somebody has to be fantasy relevant, right? From an offense or from a wide receiver core. But there are wastelands in fantasy football.

[Mike Wright]

Sometimes there are.

[Andy Holloway]

Miami's receiving core has often been a wasteland in recent years. And I just don't know how much I can expect from Golden Tate. That's. That's why he's in my ice pick as of May 15th.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, and I'm. I am totally on board with this because it's. It's volume. You have to have volume for Golden Tate, I mean, he was in the league for four years before he went to Detroit, and we and fantasy players actually cared who Golden Tate was, and that's when he took off. And it's. It's not that they. They won't give a player that target volume because Odell Beckham, you know, he. Seasons of 130, 158. Like, if Golden Tate's getting 158 targets, you're happy. But the difference is Odell Beckham is giving you 15 yards of reception, 13 and a half yards per reception. Can the Giants afford to give a player who's only giving you averaging 10 yards of reception that type of target volume? Like, can the offense sustain drives living that type of a life? And I'm not sure that they can.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, Mike, Jason, you have to pick an ice player who's.

[Jason Moore]

Look, I've got a beautiful ice player, and I don't mean that like, I don't mean the pick is great, just mean it's handsome.

[Andy Holloway]

Like he's been sculpted out of a block of ice.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, Jimmy. Handsome Jimmy Garoppolo.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, come on now. I know people 49er fans are disappointed in you.

[Jason Moore]

They're already. They're throwing tomatoes at their television screens.

[Mike Wright]

Hansom Jimmy Garoppolo. Why are they throwing tonight snow?

[Jason Moore]

Because we're on the television screen, handsome. Oh, Jimmy Garoppolo. Okay, I don't think Jon Snow is actually that handsome.

[Andy Holloway]

What? He's not tall enough, man.

[Jason Moore]

Have you seen him Sizes. Go watch. This isn't a sizes thing for me. Go watch the Saturday Night Live where Kit Harrington hosted and then see him without his beard.

[Andy Holloway]

Go ask any woman in America. I'm just saying I think they want.

[Jason Moore]

Watch, watch them without the beard. And you go, oh, feel like a.

[Mike Wright]

Poll needs to go up.

[Jason Moore]

You need, that's a good poll.

[Mike Wright]

I'm putting a poll up.

[Jason Moore]

You work on that important stuff while I talk about silly fantasy football. Here's the thing with Jimmy Garoppolo. He could be outstanding. He could light the world on fire. We have seen in small bursts, incredible play. When he came over in the trade to San Francisco and he had his, you know, game, the games where he took the team that wasn't winning and he said we're not going to lose anymore. He was on pace in that stretch for 5,000 yards. So there is plenty of reason why people are all hyped. They're excited now. They go out and they get some great options in the draft. I think Debo Samuel is a fantastic wide receiver prospect. I think Jalen Hurd is really interesting. You have George Kittle. We all know I love Dante Pettis. So there's a lot of reasons why Jimmy Garoppolo could both succeed and a lot of reasons why people are super hyped. So why am I seeing this as my ice player right now? It's basically because the NFL is changing for fantasy quarterbacks. It used to be where Alex Smith and those type of players, they're rushing for 200 yards and it's like, wow, you don't realize how much value that adds. 200. Get out of here with your 200 yards. Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson, Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, Josh Allen. 200 yards is nothing for rushing a.

[Mike Wright]

Game, am I right?

[Jason Moore]

Right. And so this is a quarterback in Jimmy Garoppolo who, you know, he's not a rushing. He was somewhat mobile. We saw that on the knee injury. But coming off of the ACL injury, I doubt he's really going to be trying to be the hero on running play. So let's give him, you know, 125 rushing yards or 100 or you know, somewhere around there.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

If that's the case and that will be the case, you are going to have to have him throwing a lot of touchdowns, period. When he was on that incredible 50 or 5,000, 50, 5,000 yard pace, he was on pace for 19 touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

That was two seasons ago, the end of the season after the trade.

[Jason Moore]

And here's the reason. Look, I think the future is bright, but I think this year with Dante Pettis and Debo Samuel and Jalen Hurd. And a lot of. There's going to be some learning curves for these players. And I think when it comes to the offense of The San Francisco 49ers, they are stronger at running back with Jerick McKinnon, Matt Burrida, three weapons and. Yeah, and Coleman. And my name is Jeff. Jeff Wilson is there still. So if you look at the history of Kyle Shanahan, who is an offensive mastermind, he's great. He has a long history of having incredible passing yardage offenses. When he was back with Houston, two times, he was a top 10 passing yardage team. When he was with Washington, he had a top 10 passing yardage team. When he was with Atlanta, two times, top 10 passing yards, team. This is what he does. But so many of those years you had the passing touchdowns. Middle of the league, 23, 27.

[Andy Holloway]

Like bottom of the league won't be enough in today's NFL. Exactly, is your argument.

[Jason Moore]

So my point is, if he's going to be back there as a, as a passing quarterback, he'll have the yardage. He's going to have to have touchdowns to capitalize on where you're drafting Jimmy Garoppolo, I think he's more in the mid-20s. Touchdowns this year, 24, 25 touchdowns. You're not going to be excited about that. He's going to need to be up at the 33 touchdown mark to be like, yeah, he relevant.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's move to fire picks now.

[Mike Wright]

Are you trying to skip mine?

[Andy Holloway]

I was trying to skip yours. Well, first, I don't like it.

[Mike Wright]

First of all, Jimmy Garoppolo is off to a commanding league lead already over. Jon Snow told you in the handsomeness part. So my ice player, I already spoiled it. Apparently my ice player is going to be Eric Ebron, tight end for the Indianapolis Colts. Yeah, I mean, coming off a groin injury that it just gets worse and worse for Eric Ebron. But here's the thing. Since the year 2000, tight ends that have a season with 10 or more receiving touchdowns, it's 13 players. So not a huge list. Names you would expect. Some names you would not expect. There are certainly outlier seasons like Mercedes Lewis Vishante or Vasante Shanko, you guys remember him from the Vikings? Yeah. So then I narrowed that down. Okay. Tight ends that were able to follow up that season with at least seven or more touchdowns, that chops the list down to five players. And those are exactly the names you would think of. Gronk, Jimmy Graham, Antonio Gates, Vernon Davis, Antonio Gonzalez. That's it. Those are the players I gave him the.

[Jason Moore]

Those are great. Those are basically like, those are hall.

[Mike Wright]

Of Fame level tight end.

[Jason Moore]

Those are like first round NFL draft pick, like top 10 NFL draft pick type of talent.

[Mike Wright]

What do you think of Eric? No, what do you think of Eric Ebron? You put Eric Ebron in the hall of Fame already.

[Jason Moore]

I'm just saying he was a top 10 NFL draft pick talent because he was picked top 10 in the NFL draft.

[Mike Wright]

But so here's then on top of that, those were full time players. Eric Ebron was not a full time player when Jack Doyle was on the field. Games one or game number one, 45% of snaps. Game two, 26.2, Jack Doyle gets hurt. Eric Ebron's playing pretty well. Why would they go back to Jack Doyle as the and cut snaps from Eric Ebron? Except that's exactly what they did. Week eight, Eric Ebron drops to 21% of the snaps and then down to 38% of the snaps in week nine.

[Andy Holloway]

So what does ice mean to you with Eric Ebron?

[Mike Wright]

Ice means that people last year.

[Andy Holloway]

Thirteen, Right? Thirteen touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Is that what you said? Seven were before the buy, the rest came after the buy. And what does it translate to for fantasy owners? Because look, I like the argument. Doyle and Funches. Funches is a rival big body goal line guy.

[Mike Wright]

I don't even have to make the argument.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, the point is that the touchdowns could come down. But what does that equate to? Because obviously a weapon that just did it, that just put up 13 touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

They don't sit back and go, boy, that was a little too much. Let's go ahead and dial it back. We don't want to score them anytime. So what is the realistic expectation? Is it eight touchdowns? Is it six?

[Mike Wright]

I think if he hits eight, I would be surprised. Like I put that threshold at 7 for a reason because I do not think Eric Ebron can hit eight.

[Jason Moore]

Now you realize that the weeks eight and nine, the weeks you brought up were his.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no, I'll give you the stats.

[Jason Moore]

He was on Pace for 24 touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

Look, here's the crazier numbers because this is why it was hard to buy into Eric Ebron. Because in games when Jack Doyle was playing, he was averaging three receptions a game and 1.16 touchdowns. So three catches over a touchdown per game. That my point, 33%. My point is that's what you're betting on is. I don't. I think Jack Doyle comes back. I think he is the primary tight end because he's just a better all around player, Eric. And if you're taking Eric Ebron where you have to in that like fifth, sixth round, what you are betting on is three receptions and one touchdown a game.

[Jason Moore]

I have loved Eric Ebron since his college days, have been a big believer in his talent, his speed, size, ability to beat defenders. And so I am on team Eric Ebron. But the points you bring up are extremely valid. I, I would, I have hesitation like I have him as a very high risk player this year because for him to repeat for where he's being drafted, it's going to be difficult. And so even if the Eric Ebron truther can get behind what you're saying and be like, yeah, I'm definitely not drafting him at, you know, in an early round when he's going to be the fifth tight end off the board, like I'm not, I'm not putting my eggs in that basket. Then you probably shouldn't.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, his year could very much be ice and fire.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean you probably can have some games that he has the 2, 3 touchdown potential.

[Mike Wright]

And what I'm, what I'm not saying is he can't do it because he did it last year. I'm just saying I'm going to bet on the side of probability that he cools off, that a player is not going to average 1.16 touchdowns per game as the secondary tight end when a team is added all over their offense.

[Jason Moore]

You're right, he'll be the primary tight end. Good point, Mike. Thank you.

[Mike Wright]

Good luck. With one groin.

[Andy Holloway]

How many do you have? You got two.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know. As I was saying it, I was not sure. You do.

[Andy Holloway]

You got two groins.

[Mike Wright]

Is it one big like a U shape muscle? Two groins, Is it one groin?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, you can pull your groin on either side.

[Jason Moore]

How many groin, Right.

[Mike Wright]

Is that a half a groin.

[Andy Holloway]

You have to have a groin on each side.

[Mike Wright]

Hold on, hold on. Groinindex.com yeah, go to the newsletter, please don't.

[Andy Holloway]

The groin index.

[Mike Wright]

Please do not go to that website.

[Andy Holloway]

No, please do not. Jason, it's taking you way too long to figure out how many groins you have.

[Jason Moore]

Well, yeah, you have one groin. There's a group of groin.

[Mike Wright]

There's just size.

[Jason Moore]

So I'm really not sure.

[Mike Wright]

Good luck with half a groin. There we go.

[Andy Holloway]

You have two groin muscles, one on each side. There's a very.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yes. No, it's really easy. If you look at the picture.

[Andy Holloway]

It's your adductor longus Muscle. All right.

[Jason Moore]

You gotta look at this, Mike. It's the most apparent, it's the easiest.

[Andy Holloway]

Most clear diagram of the two. Yes, that's the one I have up.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, how many now?

[Mike Wright]

You know, not a doctor.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. All right, here's a player. Here's my at. Which one did. Which one of those two groins did Ebron have surgery on?

[Jason Moore]

It had to be the left.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, no. He scored all his touchdowns on the left side of his groin. All right, this is derailed. Mike Williams. Brooks, how you doing over there?

[Mike Wright]

I'm doing great.

[Andy Holloway]

You in on Mike Williams? He's my fire pick for 2019. There are players you watch on film. There are players that give you both anecdotal and analytical reasons to like them. Mike Williams is one of those for me. Guys, you got to remember this is the seventh overall pick in the NFL draft a couple of years ago. This is not. And those are the kind of players that emerge as fantasy talents. Tyrell Williams is gone. Everything else is in an established, comfortable place in Los Angeles with the Chargers and Mike Williams last season, double digit touchdowns. He is figuring things out. And one of the things that doesn't show up in your general game log and stat sheet that you look at as a fantasy player, he had a major contribution in the playoffs against New England. 11 targets against New England. I love seeing that. 41 receptions, 600 plus yards from Tyrell gone. Mike Williams was the wide receiver 10 from weeks 11 through 15. So you've seen upside at times. You're looking for upside with consistency with Mike Williams this year. And I think you're going to see an increase in target volume, an increase in total receptions. And I know this guy's going to find the end zone because he's enormous. Great body control, great goal line threat. Love Mike Williams coming into the new year. I know I am the highest by far amongst the three of us on him, but I believe he will emerge this season and you will be very happy with what you have to spin for him versus what you get from him in fantasy drafts.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, I like Mike Williams a lot. The reason that I've got him, you know, as a slightly more questionable versus a breakout. A lot of reasons he could break out. Talent. Tyrell Williams gone. But the fact that last year he had 11 total touchdowns. Right? 10, 10 receiving. I believe he had a rushing touchdown as well. You say, okay, is he going to go up from there? I mean, he's got the talent to do it, but Philip Rivers had a very efficient passing, you know, Touchdown passing season last year. I don't think Philip Rivers is going to throw for many more touchdowns than he did last season. So that's where I just, I only quit. My only question, maybe it's just a difference in how it comes. Maybe he gets more volume, touchdowns, stays the same and then, and then there he goes. He's. He's risen in the rankings. I just worry, what if he comes down to eight touchdowns? That'd be great. Eight touchdowns, a lot. But losing two off of last season, it hurts.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you do. He is never going to be an 80, 90 catch guy. That's not the MO that you're going to get with Mike Williams. He has to be what Vincent Jackson used to be in San Diego, which is 67 to 75 receptions, big play, touchdown opportunities. You lose the five touchdowns with Tyrell, I think 10. I think you can get back to 10. And that's all I need from Mike Williams because I think the other statistics go up. So I am projecting that only 66 targets last year. Those are going to rise.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

With his, with his mainline role in this offense.

[Mike Wright]

The question for me is the fear of Hunter Henry because I'm more worried about Hunter Henry eating into where Mike Williams performs best than Tyrell Williams. But if you look at the snaps, Mike Williams was not a full time player. I mean, Tyrell Williams was on the field more than him. So now, now he's gone. Does that, does that automatically turn into a substantial increase in targets when you have Hunter Henry there as well? So that, that's my hesitancy. I don't blame you at all.

[Andy Holloway]

I think it's fair because Tyrell was not, I mean, 41 receptions, that's not a massive vacuum situation.

[Mike Wright]

Much different roles in the offense.

[Andy Holloway]

But I think confidence wise, you saw this with Philip Rivers over the back half of the season and this is why I say the anecdotal, the visual evidence.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike Williams is a gamer. He wants to win. And I love those players on my fantasy team because they go out and he. There were times like that rushing touchdown you talked about, he put the team on his back and won that game with his play alone. So sure.

[Mike Wright]

He stole like Justin Jackson's touchdown on that one.

[Andy Holloway]

You're darn right he did.

[Mike Wright]

I was very upset.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, fire.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, get the drop right in.

[Mike Wright]

Get ready.

[Andy Holloway]

It's time. Now. I've never heard of this guy or you speak of him.

[Mike Wright]

We've been here before.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, no, no, we haven't. Look, I loved. Carry on. I talked Carry on up as a talent. But if you remember last year I talked, I said it's going to be the year after, you know, after.

[Mike Wright]

Who says after you do Jason Moore.

[Jason Moore]

Last year I said look, it's going to be next season when carry on. I have to stick with my guns here because there's literally nothing that we saw to say anything except everything I said happened. He was unbelievable. No. Would you say that Kerryon was easily the best running back on his team?

[Andy Holloway]

If I had to cast a Twitter vote, I mean I might not put it as everything you said happened, but if I had to cast a Twitter vote in your favor with what you saw from Kerryon and projected for him or against you, I would cast it for you. He looks like a David Johnson esque player on the field. He's multi threat and that is necessary for fantasy football. Explosivo, there's still a problem and his name is Matt Patricia and maybe Matthew Stafford.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think those are problems for 2019. And here's why. If you look at my carry on Johnson. So here's the thing.

[Mike Wright]

Okie dokie, here's the thing.

[Jason Moore]

Kerryon Johnson last year was unbelievably efficient, right? 5.4 yards per carry, great in the receiving game. He was a fantastic producer. Did not have a, you know, a lot of touchdown volume come his way. The Lions were not that good and here's a big reason. You want to know why? A big reason why the Lions were not good. You say Matt Patricia and you're half right. It was Matt Patricia and his great, strong, well documented relationship with LeGarrett Blunt. LeGarrett Blunt and him were good friends from New England. Legarrett Blunt came over from New England because he was going to get the ball.

[Andy Holloway]

Froyo.

[Jason Moore]

Level them Froyo every Tuesday. That was their routine. Legarrett Blunt played 16 games and got 154 carries. So people are like, oh well, C.J. anderson's there. C.J. anderson's not getting more than 154 carries. But you want to know what C.J. anderson might just actually do? He might help keep drives alive. Why would you give a guy the ball 154 times when he's averaging 2.7 yards per carry? Like Garrett Blunt wasn't bad. He was unfathomable. Like why would you keep giving this guy the ball every time that he was in there? Drive stopped, they stalled. Now I don't think they're going to give Kerryon Johnson the ball. 300 times they're going to use C.J. anderson. But if you look at what happened the first couple weeks of last season, Kerryon Johnson was not very involved. He broke kind of in and they started getting more carries. Week three. If you look from week three on with putrid Legarette Blunt, Kerryon Johnson was already. This isn't like projecting forward. He was already on pace for 211 carries and 60 targets. Those numbers in year two. Now that he's the man, he's going in as the starter. They signed his backup as opposed to last year. He was going to compete with Leger Blunt. Those numbers are going to go up from 210 and 60. He is extremely efficient. Their offensive line, they're getting, you know, a first round draft pick back from health. I think that this is going to be the year that carry on breaks out. So you know my fire pick. I know I've talked about him a lot. There's not much more I need to say other than this. I'm sticking with what I've been saying for two years. 2019 will be the year of Kerryon Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you have. So if there are two little alarm bells that go off for me and you can speak to them briefly and we'll get into Mike's pick. I worry like, do we think that Detroit is a better football team than the Green Bay Packers, Minnesota Vikings or Chicago Bears?

[Jason Moore]

I do not think they are a better football team than those teams, no.

[Andy Holloway]

And so my concern is that a little bit like my Golden Tate argument, will the touchdowns be there to the degree that carry on can sufficiently break out 100%.

[Jason Moore]

I have carry on down for eight rushing touchdowns. That's not fair. That's not an exorbitant number. I actually have his utilization. I didn't move him very far up from the 260 that he was. That he was already on pace for last season. I think he's just so efficient.

[Andy Holloway]

And there's hyper talented players like David Johnson though, who when the offense did not do enough, you saw the swing in fantasy production.

[Mike Wright]

Still RB10 though, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And that's my point. I think this, this offense isn't going to be great, but I think it's going to be better than it was last season.

[Andy Holloway]

And fire to be had.

[Jason Moore]

Fire to be had.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

What I forgot about carry on Johnson was just how fantastic the target volume was. Yeah, you, you did see a very clear transition. If you're just going to do a box score hunt, look at Blunt once week seven hit. I mean three Carries, five, six. When he was averaging right around double digit carries. And that's when Kerryon Johnson really took over as the main guy and he was averaging five targets a game.

[Andy Holloway]

He's an explosive player. Passes the eye test.

[Jason Moore]

Look, Matthew Stafford's always passed to the running back. Yes, he has. Theo Riddick has been one of the leaders in the last several years. If Kerryon Johnson is on the field more, he'll have more targets.

[Andy Holloway]

Theo's still hanging out though, right?

[Jason Moore]

He is still hanging out.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, Mike, you get to finish this up. Your fire pick for the year.

[Mike Wright]

My fire pick. We've talked about him a little bit. He's already got himself one of them fancy trademark fantasy footballers nicknames. David Montgomery, AKA David Mopportunity Moppertunity knocking. It absolutely is. I want to just highlight a couple things about David.

[Andy Holloway]

You can't even say it, can you?

[Mike Wright]

Just not every time.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly.

[Mike Wright]

He'll be mopping up the floor with defenses. Look, he's in the perfect situation. Do, do people realize last year Jordan Howard had the sixth most attempts at the running back position, 250. People may not realize how high of a number he had because they got kind of burned by him for fantasy. And Matt Nagy is trying his best to create the Kansas City Chiefs where he, I mean, he was cutting his teeth there. He learned the Andy Reid system. And David Montgomery has received some comps to Kareem Hunt. You can look at. Graham Barfield has a methodology called yards created where he looks at these, at these rookies coming in. He said Dave Montgomery had the most, most missed tackles per carry. Like he's a, he's a decent player. He can do everything that Matt Nagy wants him to do. And I was hearkening back to when Kareem Hunt had his breakout year and there was that lull and everyone freaked out. What is going on with Kareem Hunt? Once Matt Nagy took over the play calling, that's when Kareem Hunt saw more volume than he had seen that entire season. Matt Nagy's not afraid to use one guy. He wanted Jordan Howard to be that one guy and treat Cohen to be an auxiliary pass catcher here and there. But he wants a running back on the field who the defense has no idea what we're going to do. And Montgomery can work perfectly inside the passing game. I think the Bears are going to be a fantastic team. They're going to be in very positive game scripts more often than not. And David, my opportunity. I am very, very excited for what he can do for fantasy purposes.

[Jason Moore]

The Bears showed their hand. You know, they literally turned the cards around and showed their hand when they drafted Montgomery because traded up for him and because of how much they gave up to get him. It's not just he's a third round pick. You go, so what? They had no picks to work with. They had so few picks because of the Mitchell Trubisky trade and other. Other trades of the. The Khalil Mack. Yes, the Khalil Mack trade. They just had no draft capital. And the little draft capital they had, they said I'm using all of it to move up and make sure we get our guy.

[Andy Holloway]

How does, how does Mike Davis the signing in the offseason and then Tariq Cohen's usage because when he runs the football he's a 4.4 a carry guy. He's only probably, you can only probably pencil him in for something like 110, 120 carries on the season.

[Mike Wright]

120 would be the most he's ever gotten.

[Andy Holloway]

Well yeah, he's a young player who's now you know.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

But you give a guy more carries because he earns them.

[Mike Wright]

He had a chance last year.

[Andy Holloway]

Darren Sprols, you've seen that he's had seasons where he doesn't get the ball a ton on the ground. You've had seasons where he gets it a lot.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Mike Wright]

For Tariq Cohen, I still see him as a sub 100 rushing attempt guy. And for Mike Davis it's the Bears entered into the draft that they don't know what they're going to actually be able to do. To do I compare it very much to the Raiders went out, they added Isaiah Crowell. They still took a first round running back. Now Montgomery was not a first rounder of course but these teams scoop up veteran players for low amounts of money because they're not 100% sure they're going to be able to get the player they want in the draft. So it's to me, even though it was very quick, it seems more like a backup plan now at this point to me.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, that is it for ice and fire. Let's get into well Mike Williams teammate is featured on this next segment. Pristine deal of the day. That's right. Keenan Allen signed Under Armour football cleat a signed Keenan Allen cleat just sold for $65 yesterday on pristineauction.com doesn't get any but I like, I like that you're featured a few of these like non jerseys Brooks because there's hundreds of jerseys on there and they're amazing. We got them on the walls. But it's cool that they have things like an Adam Thielen pylon in a signed cleat because those are just look very unique helmets.

[Jason Moore]

You got images. There's all sorts of cool things over there.

[Andy Holloway]

Images of helmets, though. Do they have any?

[Jason Moore]

I'll bet there's, I believe there's helmets on them as they're wearing them.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you, are you going to head to the website aftor the show?

[Jason Moore]

I'm doing it after the show.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, that is it for today's episode of the podcast. Thank you so much for supporting the show. We're here to help you win your fantasy football leagues and we'll be back on Tuesday unless you'[e-mail] this afternoon.

[Jason Moore]

Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the fantasy footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com and follow us on Twitter the FFballers.