MOCK DRAFT + Gordon Reinstated, Preseason Hype

Summary

Podcast Summary: Fantasy Footballers - MOCK DRAFT + Gordon Reinstated, Preseason Hype
Episode Release Date: August 19, 2019

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Introduction

In this episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright dive into the excitement of draft week, offering their expert analysis and preparation tips. The episode primarily focuses on the reinstatement of Josh Gordon to the New England Patriots, preseason performances of key players, and a comprehensive mock draft to guide fantasy managers in their upcoming drafts.

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Latest News: Josh Gordon's Reinstatement

Timestamp: [04:16]

One of the central topics of discussion is the NFL’s decision to reinstate Patriots wide receiver Josh Gordon. The hosts explore Gordon's potential fantasy value and the broader impact on the Patriots' offense.

• Jason Moore shares his initial ranking of Gordon at 39th but remains cautious due to the conditional nature of his reinstatement:

  "My initial rankings of Josh Gordon, he came in at 39. That I need more news to know is, like, because it's a conditional reinstatement, we still need more things to unfold." ([05:00])

• Mike Wright acknowledges Gordon’s impressive debut last season and its implications for players like Nikhil Harry:

  "For me, I don't disagree. He had as impressive of a 12 game debut in the Patriots offensive system as a player can have last year." ([06:01])

• Andy Holloway advises caution, emphasizing Gordon’s history of inconsistencies off the field:

  "But he is not without risk. Like we have many years of Josh Gordon on and off the field. He has been reinstated many times before and never unfortunately been able to stick with it." ([07:02])

The trio discusses whether Gordon should be a trade asset or a direct pick in dynasty leagues, considering his fluctuating status and potential upside.

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Preseason Hype and Player Updates

Timestamp: [09:32]

The hosts move on to preseason observations, highlighting standout performances and raising concerns about player roles and injuries.

• Andy Holloway praises David Montgomery's genuine performance in preseason:

  "I loved what I saw from David Montgomery in week two. It's genuine." ([10:53])

• Mike Wright expresses optimism about Jacoby Brissette potentially starting Week 1, citing his efficiency and role as a top backup:

  "He's one of my favorite backups in football. I think he's a top three backup." ([10:00])

• Jason Moore notes Andrew Luck’s participation in lateral drills, fueling speculation about his readiness:

  "My initial rankings of Josh Gordon... but now that he is back, the answer to who will fill in that hole the most is Josh Gordon." ([05:00])

The discussion also touches on Antonio Brown’s contentious situation with the Raiders, his impact on fantasy decisions, and the potential rise of Tyrell Williams as his successor.

• Mike Wright discusses Brown’s unpredictable future and its fantasy implications:

  "Once again proving the NFL right that... Drew Rosenhaus this morning comes out. He'll be back in camp soon. He hasn't really left camp. He just didn't come to practice." ([16:16])

• Jason Moore debates whether to take Brown, emphasizing the uncertainty surrounding his availability:

  "Do you take him? Oh, man, it's not like there weren't question marks." ([17:20])

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Mock Draft Analysis

Timestamp: [24:16]

The episode features a detailed 12-team mock draft conducted by the hosts, providing insights into their drafting strategies and player selections.

First Round

• Andy Holloway chooses Devonte Adams at the sixth pick, prioritizing a top-tier wide receiver to ensure reliability and volume:

  "I would take Devonte Adams, he's my number one ranked wide receiver, to get him at the six." ([27:38])

• Mike Wright opts for Joe Mixon, valuing his role as a primary running back despite some offensive line concerns:

  "My vote here would be Miles Sanders. Because of the stability of our team." ([38:21])

Second to Fourth Rounds

• The hosts continue building their rosters by selecting key running backs and wide receivers, balancing proven talent with potential breakout candidates. Notable picks include Chris Carson, Robert Woods, and Tevin Coleman.

• Jason Moore highlights the importance of balancing safety and upside in his selections:

  "I would rather take who I consider to be a stud wide receiver and that would be Robbie Anderson." ([46:14])

Later Rounds and Strategy

• The discussion delves into the complexities of the later rounds, where flexibility and depth become crucial. Players like Curtis Samuel, Marvin Jones, and Tariq Cohen are considered for their upside potential.

• Andy Holloway emphasizes the importance of taking upside plays in the later rounds to maximize roster potential:

  "I would take the upside play. I think we've got the safety. You've got to crack this roster by breaking out and being something special." ([52:31])

• Mike Wright focuses on securing high-upside quarterbacks like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson in the final rounds, acknowledging their late-round value:

  "Josh Allen, that is. It does not stand out as much as Lamar Jackson's been rising." ([55:40])

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Draft Strategy and Player Evaluations

Timestamp: [37:04]

Throughout the mock draft, the hosts discuss their strategic approaches, weighing factors like player consistency, role in the offense, and injury history.

• Sammy Watkins, A.J. Green, and Robert Woods are highlighted as valuable wide receiver options, with emphasis on their roles and expected targets.

• Jason Moore contemplates the balance between securing a tight end and maximizing wide receiver depth:

  "With the construction of this roster, would you take someone who you consider safer in Marvin Jones or would you take the upside play of Curtis Samuel?" ([52:20])

• Andy Holloway advocates for taking high-upside players even in later rounds to ensure breakout potential:

  "I would take the upside play. I think we've got the safety." ([52:31])

The hosts also touch upon the importance of understanding team dynamics and player roles, advising listeners to stay adaptable during drafts.

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Final Thoughts and Roster Overview

Timestamp: [61:35]

As the mock draft concludes, the hosts provide a comprehensive overview of their assembled rosters, ensuring a balanced team with strong foundations in key positions.

• Andy Holloway summarizes their receiving and running back cores, highlighting depth and consistency:

  "Devonte Adams, Robert Woods, Robbie Anderson, Curtis Samuel, Dede Westbrook and Josh Gordon. That is a loaded receiving core." ([61:35])

• Mike Wright underscores the strategic balance between running backs and wide receivers, indicating readiness for upcoming waiver wire moves:

  "There's a lot of guaranteed production on this roster." ([40:51])

• Jason Moore emphasizes the importance of flexibility and preparedness to adjust strategies based on how the draft unfolds:

  "There's a wide receiver that looks great and there's a running back who looks great. I know what I'm doing." ([62:54])

The episode wraps up with the hosts encouraging listeners to engage with their content and participate in the ongoing fantasy football conversation.

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Notable Quotes

• Andy Holloway:

  "I want to caution people right now, as of right now, I believe he's full go for week one." ([07:02])

• Jason Moore:

  "I would rather take who I consider to be a stud wide receiver and that would be Robbie Anderson." ([46:14])

• Mike Wright:

  "We have a lot of guaranteed production on this roster." ([40:51])

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Conclusion

This episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast offers a deep dive into preseason developments and a strategic mock draft, equipping fantasy managers with the knowledge and confidence needed to excel in their leagues. From the reintegration of Josh Gordon to the final roster construction, the hosts provide invaluable insights and actionable advice tailored for both seasoned and novice fantasy football enthusiasts.

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Coming to you from Pristine Auction.com Studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

It's the juice worth the squeeze. Welcome into the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. I'm Andy Holloway, joined as always by Jason Moore and Mike the Fantasy Hitman. Right, it is Monday, August 19th. We have a great show for you. Our final mock draft episode of the season.

[Jason Moore]

Log a ding dong.

[Mike Wright]

We've got a great quick question. We have some news that's been breaking. Josh Gordon, Antonio Brown may or may not be happy at this moment. So much going on. We got news. We got footballers news too.

[Jason Moore]

We do.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Oi.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Man, this, this week is.

[Mike Wright]

But it's a bold predictions episode and so this is go time. I mean we got preseason week two in the books. Other than tonight, will a real Dante Pettis please stand up Tonight we'll find out about that. And we have. We have other news. I mean, Mike, you said you were going to mention a little something, something.

[Jason Moore]

I was. If you're not on the social medias, what are you doing? Follow @the ffballers along with this beautiful podcast that you listen to each and every weekday. Now, on Thursdays during drive time, we will also have a live show on Sirius xm. You ever wanted to call and chat with us live on the air. Now you'll be able to do that on Sirius xm. Very, very excited for it.

[Mike Wright]

Clearly they don't know what they're getting themselves into. Jason, it's too late. Jason. Live for two hours.

[Andy Holloway]

Watch out ear.

[Mike Wright]

So that's on. Watch out ears. Good one.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Podcast is going nowhere.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, it's staying right here.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

In your ears. All right, here's the quick question of the day. We got news, big news. The NFL reinstating Patriots wide receiver Josh Gordon. Josh Gordon is back. We've said it before. We're saying it again. Josh Gordon is back. What is his fantasy value and impact on the other Patriots players? Where did you rank him? Who does it hurt? Who does it help?

[Andy Holloway]

I need three more questions. Can you get three more questions out of the Josh Gordon news?

[Jason Moore]

There's one.

[Mike Wright]

Is Nikhil Harry still your number one pick for Dynasty drafts?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, there's two. Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Bill Belichick, a big Josh Gordon fan.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, he did it.

[Jason Moore]

Number three. Look, I'll jump in here. My initial rankings of Josh Gordon, he. He came in at 39. That I need more news to know is, like, because it's a conditional reinstatement, we still need more things to unfold. As in, is this also all seasons. Seasons, all cylinders go for week one. If it is, then Josh Gordon will actually move up in my rankings. Last year, I say last year, in games where Rob Gronkowski did not play, you saw a monster uptick in Josh Gordon production. You're talking an extra 30 yards a game, an extra three targets a game. Like we've talked about, who's going to be the fill in, who's going to, you know, fill those holes for Tom Brady. With Rob Gronkowski out and Josh Gordon, you couldn't put him in the equation because of his being on the commissioner's list, not being able to play. We don't know if he's going to come back. But now that he is back, the answer to who will fill in that hole the most is Josh Gordon.

[Mike Wright]

For me, I don't disagree. He had as impressive of a 12 game debut in the Patriots offensive system as a player can have last year. Missed, obviously the three playoff games. Missed the last two regular season games as well. It has a big impact to me on Nikhil. Harry's upside for the season. If Josh Gordon's on the field, so does his surgery.

[Jason Moore]

Nikhil Harry's recent surgery.

[Mike Wright]

Nikhil Harry Yeah. I mean in dynasty leagues. Are you adjusting your perspective on Harry?

[Jason Moore]

I still think Harry is great, will be great. But if I'm, if I'm in a rookie draft right now, I'm going to take one of the running backs at number one just because I want to soak up that value immediately. And now, and now Harry's path to immediate fantasy value I think is diminished.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. Julian Edelman. Mike, you're the most bullish in the office. I think it has little impact on him.

[Jason Moore]

I agree.

[Mike Wright]

I think it helps Brady.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Give him a reliable target. When you lose Gronkowski and such.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, it's good. And the reality is if you're doing a draft right now, Josh Gordon, it's going to take him a while to get all the way up to his peak. Adp. That's what happens whenever a player comes in. People don't know where to draft them. Should I take him in the, oh, the seventh, the sixth, the fifth and eventually people start taking them in the fourth or around there. But I do want to caution people right now, as of right now, I believe he's full go for week one. He can't play in this preseason game, but he is ready to go for week one. We haven't heard from the Patriots if he's just the de facto starter yet. But he's not without risk. Right. Like we have many years of Josh Gordon on and off the field. He has been reinstated many times before and never unfortunately been able to stick with it. So everyone that is just like, oh, he's going to be the clear number one for the Patriots and you're getting at a value. I just, I caution you that I hope he, I mean, for the man, I really hope he can stick with it, have a great season. I, I look, if he finishes this year with 16 games, it will be the first time he does so since his rookie season in 2012.

[Jason Moore]

Also, I was thinking of DK Metcalf with the knee surgery that was the recent news.

[Mike Wright]

Harry's been banged up and no surgery.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah. I was confusing the K sound.

[Mike Wright]

You don't want to do that, Mike, just to piggyback on what you're saying, Jason, I look at it as an opportunity to trade Josh Gordon. I mean, that's kind of.

[Andy Holloway]

Absolutely. If you've got him in Dynasty, that's.

[Mike Wright]

The way I'm looking at it is okay. I have somebody I could trade now.

[Jason Moore]

Can you do it, though?

[Mike Wright]

I've had people come after him. Oh, have you had three or four people come after him right away?

[Jason Moore]

But are they lowball offers?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Has anyone come with anything substantial for him?

[Mike Wright]

They've been okay. I mean, there's been a couple of okay ones. People love the mystery. They love the. Josh Gordon has done the things that fantasy owners need a player to do to get them hot and bothered, which is having number one fantasy season at the wide receiver position. Run rough, shot over defensive and defensive backs. Last year, even 18 a catch for Josh Gordon. He just lives down the field. He may. And now, now who's the best red zone weapon that this team has?

[Andy Holloway]

Josh Gordon could be.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I still stick with Jules, but.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. But if you gave me 16 games for both players, I think Gordon has more touchdowns than you. All right, let's get into some news.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league, presented by sl.

[Mike Wright]

All right. One game a pre, you know, one preseason game a career does not make. But Jacoby Brissette looked really, really good. That was one of my takeaways from week two. Eight for ten, a touchdown to Ebron. There's a chance Jacoby Beef Brisket has to start week one. So you like seeing him out. He's. He's one of my favorite backups in football. I think he's a top three backup.

[Jason Moore]

He's actually competent as a backup. However, the biggest takeaway from that game to me was the footage of Andrew Luck actually warming up, doing some lateral drills.

[Mike Wright]

Did he have the Duke in his hand, Mike?

[Jason Moore]

He had.

[Mike Wright]

Look, was it a full size football? Oh, wait, that was last year.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's the problem last year. I have. I've moved like, I. Maybe this is just a snap reaction, but I've got Andrew Luck back up. I think after seeing that and the way that they're handling him, I think he's going to be ready.

[Mike Wright]

Week one, it's a fun ride.

[Jason Moore]

I know that's a rubber band. Like, trust me, I get it that we're all over the place with Andrew Luck, but the Colts are All over the place with Andrew Luck. It's really hard to get an actual pulse on what's happening.

[Mike Wright]

All right, other takeaways from preseason, Week two.

[Andy Holloway]

I loved what I saw from David Montgomery in week two. It's genuine.

[Mike Wright]

Which was nothing.

[Andy Holloway]

Which was nothing. They didn't play him that in preseason.

[Mike Wright]

Or Cohen, by the way.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. In preseason. Here's what the tiered rankings of what matters for running backs. Tier one, they didn't play. Tier two, they get the first snap. You know what I mean? Like, if you're not playing, that means the coach is like, yeah, I need you for the team. You're not messing with this preseason game.

[Mike Wright]

You know who else didn't play? Malcolm Brown. Malcolm Brown didn't play. Malcolm Brown is the handcuff for Ty Gurley, 100%.

[Andy Holloway]

I am in agreement at this point that Malcolm Brown is the handcuff. He would be the more valuable option. And you know, everything going on with Daryl Henderson, AKA Darnell Anderson. I'm never going to let it die. I can't imagine drafting him anywhere near where his ADP is. It should be falling. It's just a, it's a risky pick. You're. You're really betting on something that none of the evidence is pointing to through camp and preseason, I'd say.

[Jason Moore]

And you do have some NFL coaches that go the other direction of the. I'm not going to play anybody like the Pittsburgh Steelers where you saw, I think it was 14 snaps of the first team off, first team offense. It was all James Conner and it was all Vance McDonald every snap. I think you're secured and that includes Vance McDonald. Fumbled right away trying to run somebody over. I think you're. The way that we view Vance McDonald has to go from maybe he's, maybe he's the guy we like. Everything points to it. Jesse James is gone. He's. He's the guy. He is the primary starting tight end, the full time guy for this team.

[Mike Wright]

And a team that needs pass catching weapons.

[Jason Moore]

So I, I'm not. It's still tough to chase him at the ADP that he has gotten to, but I'm at least far more comfortable with it now than I was two weeks ago.

[Mike Wright]

I was, I was engaging in trade discussions throughout the weekend that circled around me giving up Vance McDonald, getting back O.J. howard in a big dynasty trade.

[Jason Moore]

But I was interesting.

[Mike Wright]

I was obviously including a lot more.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

And I questioned the whole time, you know, like, I want to buy O.J. howard before the breakout, but do I, do I want to Sell Vance before the breakout. The age thing is really what convinced me to do it as well. But yeah, it was encouraging to see that. The snap counts for first team offense are interesting.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

You know Connors, the guy in Pittsburgh. In Pittsburgh, in Seattle there were 17 snaps with Russell Wilson on the field. Chris Carson took 14 of them.

[Jason Moore]

Carson's going to be ridiculous.

[Mike Wright]

Rashad Penny took three. Chris Carson was targeted.

[Jason Moore]

Chris Carson, I think Chris Carson had like 50% of the opportunities of those plays.

[Mike Wright]

When I made my Dante Pettis pivot, you know, there's a certain amount of love a father bestows upon his three my guys. Most of the love that I took from Pettis I just gave to Carson. He's got like a double heaping of love from me.

[Jason Moore]

It's well deserved.

[Mike Wright]

We have to address something that took place in Detroit. There were, there were three basically starter drives with Kerryon Johnson and the running backs in Detroit. Kerryon Johnson came off the field on all three drives for third down the first two. CJ Anderson took the third downs. The third time it was Ty Johnson who some in Detroit, if you listen believe is a very capable theoretic replacement. Where are you with what took place, Jason?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I was watching it. I tweeted it out because I know everyone's looking, you know, this direction for all the carry on Johnson takes. I mean it will be a backfield that is split up. There's.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you've never said anything to the contrary.

[Andy Holloway]

I hoped that maybe Darryl Bevel would some reason just make it a workhorse. But you know, the pass catching is the real question mark here. I do still expect Kerryon Johnson to have a very large role in the passing game. He's great at it. He was clearly still the starter on each drive. He was clearly and statistically the best running back there. But the thing I didn't like was seeing Carry on Johnson into the second quarter. That was like, look, if you want to rest these guys, if you're, you know, if your coach, Mr. I want to share the work, get these starters out of the game. But I mean, I still have Carry on Johnson right now as a top 12 running back and that is on the back of a very, very shared workload. I don't think I've even got him down for 210 carries. So I don't think he's a workhorse back. He's just so efficient. He's going to end up being a top 12 running.

[Mike Wright]

To me it validated a little bit of the concerns about pass protection. They've been around camp and then he wasn't on the field on third down where C.J. anderson, you know, maybe they're leaning on him for pass protection. He's definitely the best runner on the team. We'll see. If he doesn't catch the ball as much as we hope, he's going to have to score. One of those two things has to happen. Antonio Brown not in Raiders camp over frustration with the helmet. Once again proving the NFL right that.

[Andy Holloway]

The helmet was an issue.

[Mike Wright]

Well, this is just Antonio Brown at this point in time. This is not the same player from six years ago that was, you know, by all accounts, everyone around, humble, hard working out there. Do it now. The wind blows a certain direction and you have questions and you can see the frustration on Mike Mayock, John Gruden, basically they say, hey, is he all in or is he all out? Drew Rosenhaus this morning comes out. He'll be back in camp soon. He hasn't really left camp. He just didn't come to practice. I, I mean, that's the news.

[Jason Moore]

So, so bizarre. Antonio Brown, after the trade happened and with, with the contract extension, he should have just told Gruden, look, I'm not coming to training camp. I don't want to be there. I'll be there. Week one. Just go with that and let's move away from this nonsense.

[Mike Wright]

But now, as a fantasy owner, when.

[Jason Moore]

Do you take him?

[Mike Wright]

Do you take him? Oh, man, it's not like there weren't question marks. And more importantly, this is the headline we haven't talked about. Are you taking Tyrell Williams sooner than you than you had thought? He's looked great in camp. He's looked great in the preseason. If Antonio Brown flies off into the sunset in a hot air balloon, what? Tyrell is the number one receiver on the Raiders?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he, he certainly could be. If Antonio Brown does grab that hot air balloon. I mean, it makes Darren Wallerus far more interesting. Who, if you, if you didn't see his couple snaps in, in preseason, he's looked great.

[Andy Holloway]

He should have had a touchdown when he was wide open, but the backup quarterback threw it to the moon out of the.

[Mike Wright]

My whiskers were tingling watching Darren Waller is running.

[Andy Holloway]

I would agree. That's the guy I want to take a shot on. Because while Tyrell Williams could be more relevant on a target basis than Darren Waller, he's a wide receiver where there's a million wide receivers out there in the draft at tight end. If Darren Waller has relevance, it's going to be much more valuable Than Tyrell Williams. Relevance.

[Mike Wright]

Shout out to Tyrell and best ball.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Mike Wright]

All right. A couple quick things. We got to get through it. We've got a big mock draft show today. Keenan Allen is dealing with an ankle injury. Do you have concern based on injury history? Keenan Allen being banged up. This is coming up over and over again.

[Jason Moore]

It's highly unfortunate. And he's expected to be rested for the duration now of the preseason. He should be ready week one.

[Mike Wright]

But talk about a different offense with no Melvin Gordon, Keenan Allen on week one if that was to take place.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

DK Metcalf.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. Not Nikhil Harry.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

DK Metcalf needs knee surgery, which is. This is ridiculous. Of the timeline that they have given him for a surgery.

[Mike Wright]

I don't.

[Jason Moore]

It doesn't matter what it is.

[Mike Wright]

A knee scope, a cleanup procedure.

[Jason Moore]

They went into his knee with medical tools and they did things like it's. He's not going to be ready.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we're already into, you know, week two. Heading into week three of the preseason. I don't think he's going to be ready. If they're doing a surgery on his knee by week one. Even if it's just a cleanup little scope, it certainly, you know, it obviously hurts his early season outlook. I mean, we always say Jerome Brown.

[Jason Moore]

I was going to bring up the name Jaron Brown who he kind of balled out there over the, in the preseason. Week two. He's the veteran.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't see the Seahawks passing game as one where the, you know, look, David Moore and Jaron Brown and all these other ancillary pieces, maybe someone will step up on a game to game basis. But to me, I am. I almost made Tyler Lockett one of my, my guys because I really, really believe Tyler Lockett is going to be a very good fantasy wide receiver this season. I just don't understand how he couldn't. And now with DK Metcalf out of the way, I think he's going to be hyper targeted.

[Mike Wright]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Excellent work, my friend. Reserve that name.

[Mike Wright]

See in a few years. All right, we are. We're doing our final mock draft of the preseason. It's going to be a good 112 team, half PPR. We're drafting together. United we stand and we get to draft from the sixth spot, guys.

[Jason Moore]

And honestly, to me, the five and the six spot with everything that has happened has become extremely difficult. It was earlier on in the preseason. This thing was easy. It was Melvin Gordon, no problem. David Johnson is the backup to that. No problem. Here we are, Melvin Gordon. The talks have not progressed and I've. I know it's only. We're only two weeks, so there's. They have a chance to impress me, but I've moved David Johnson down a little bit. I haven't abandoned him out of my top 10 or anything like that, but I have moved him down. I now have. I now have James Conner above David Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

There are.

[Mike Wright]

I think that's fair. You can make that. You can make that decision, that determination. I think that any. My only thought on that is that if you believed. If you ever believe in the offense that Cliff Kingsbury is bringing, you shouldn't have a reason to change that belief.

[Jason Moore]

It's not. It's not the offense. It's watching David Johnson play. He. On all the handoffs. David Johnson has not looked explosive. Watch David Johnson take that a handoff last week. Watch Joe Mixon take a handoff. There is a very big difference in the explosiveness right now. I don't know what's. I don't know if we're just. We. We misremember who David Johnson was from those three years ago. Maybe those three years of time have taken the toll and take and zapped DJ of a little bit of that. But I moved him down. Having said all this, I've got DJ down at number six now. But James Conner, ADP wise is a bit of a reach right here. Obviously you wouldn't get him in the second round if you don't take him here, but I'm just saying that this decision here has become far more difficult than it was three or four weeks ago.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. If we don't like David Johnson and there was a clear other guy, James Conner to you, maybe Lev Bell, maybe Dalvin Cook, maybe Nick Chubb or Todd Gurley.

[Jason Moore]

Gurley, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

They're all in this nebulous realm. So does that mean if you're sitting on the clock at six like we are, you look to someone who is a sure thing that has no question Marks someone like Devonte Adams at wide receiver.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I haven't got to go through who's been drafted yet. Alvin Camaro, one on one. Christian McCaffrey with the second pick, then Barkley. DeAndre Hopkins off the board at four, ahead of Zeke. Zeke at five, and here we are at six. So as you said, Devonte Adams on the. On the board. David Johnson, Lev Bell, Nick Chubb, Julio Jones. See, I like Chubb more than Connor.

[Jason Moore]

That's fine.

[Mike Wright]

But right now, jumping off the page, I mean, if you're hesitant about David Johnson here, if you don't want him to be the backbone of your team on this August 19, Monday, where would you like to go with the pick?

[Jason Moore]

For me, it would be between James Conner or Devonte Adams. You may just want to take your number one wide receiver who happens to be available here. But we obviously share this pick. I think if this really was my own team, I would just go James Conner.

[Mike Wright]

But I'm comfortable with DJ Above Connor and Chubb. Jason, why don't you make the pick for us?

[Andy Holloway]

All right, I'm going to do this one. You know, a lot of times we'll. We'll play with mock drafts. We'll say, hey, I'm going to. I'm going to try something new. I'm going to try something different. I am taking this draft as if this was my team, and I really am trying to avoid risk in that first round. I prefer having a running back. I do, but I prefer having a player I'm super confident in that I'm going to get value out of. So I would take Devonte Adams, he's my number one ranked wide receiver, to get him at the six. You know, I'm finding myself pivoting to wide receiver earlier and earlier. This is where I hope I am further in the first round. You know, I would prefer to have the 10th pick where all those running backs that I'm considering at the 5th or 6th are still there.

[Mike Wright]

All right. After Adams, which I did select on our behalf, Jason, David Johnson, James Conner, Michael Thomas, Lev Bell, Nick Chubb in the first round, Julio Jones at 112. Coming back, Juju, Tyreek, Beckham, Gurley, Evans, Cook. We're on the clock. When you look at the running backs, there's really one guy to consider for me, and that's Joe Mixon. You also have Damian Williams, Kerryon Johnson, Leonard Fernett, Melvin Gordon. But the last remaining guy of a tier that I believe in is Joe Mixon. Led the AFC in rushing last season, looks explosive in the preseason. I think it'll be tough sledding, but no more tough sledding for Mixon than it could be in Arizona for David Johnson. It's about workload. It's about involvement in the passing game at wide receiver. You've got A.B. you've got Allen, you've got Thielen. This picks easy for me. This picks Joe Mixon.

[Jason Moore]

This pick is. It's not easy for me because it comes down to three players where I'm considering it going.

[Mike Wright]

Mixon, Freeman.

[Jason Moore]

No, because I'm going to play the ADP game. I'm going to try and see if he will come back to me and it would actually. It would go Damian Williams, Travis Kelsey, Joe Mixon. Those are the three guys I'm considering speaking Damian Williams. If we're trying to read anything into the preseason, he saw all five snaps of the first drive for the Chiefs and then they put him on ice, which I'm reading as he's still locked in as the number one guy because they left Carlos Hyde out there for a while. If I'm going running back, I'm going to take Damian. But do you want to pay up for Travis Kelsey, who should have. He's our number one tight end, should be in line for another fantastic season.

[Mike Wright]

Jason, we haven't taken. We've never taken Kelsey in our mocks. We've never taken a tight end on our mock. So that would be something you could think about. I don't believe in Damian Williams.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So we're not very different opinion. We're not going to agree on that. I think Damian Williams is far too risky to be R1.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. To me it's between Kelsey and Mixon. Mixon would be the running back of choice here. I've moved him down a little bit from the elite of the elite because of the offensive line worries. But like you just said, I mean, he's. He's in the same group with a lot of these other guys. David Johnson, who we considered taking last round, who's going to have a better year? I mean, maybe D.J. but it's super close. So I would be fine taking Joe Mixon if you want to lock up the running back.

[Jason Moore]

Where do you have Freeman ranked right now? Devonta Freeman, running back for the Atlanta Falcons?

[Andy Holloway]

I have Freeman as my running back. 17.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Where do you have him, Mike?

[Jason Moore]

I have him 10 and I have Joe Mixon at 13 where I say I'd rather play the ADP game and.

[Mike Wright]

See if I have them 12 and 13. Who's ahead mixing.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

I have them 12 and 13. I believe in Devonta Freeman. I do. I went with mixing, though, because I've got him ranked higher. I think we should stick with the running back position and not. Not gamble too much here. Kelsey went next. Damian Williams, Antonio Brown, Patrick Mahomes carry on at 212. Mike, the gamble almost worked. We almost got Freeman back to us, but he did not. Fournette goes at 301. I've been rising on Fournette mostly because I think we've been talking about a little bit more optimism with the Jags offense.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Mike Wright]

Thielen, King of the preseason. Adam Thielen, Aaron Jones, Devonta Freeman, Ty Hilton. And we're back on the clock. We have Adams, we have Mixon. You've got Keenan Allen, Melvin Gordon, couple Chargers still sitting there in the middle of the third round.

[Jason Moore]

Would you really consider Melvin Gordon here?

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

I don't think so.

[Jason Moore]

I wouldn't.

[Mike Wright]

I don't think so. Not. I might consider. I might have considered him here if we had Zeke, you know, if Zeke had fallen to six.

[Jason Moore]

So you want to have no running backs week one, you go all in.

[Mike Wright]

That's a good point. My. All I meant is if I had a stalwart running back in the first round versus going in the second round with the running back, I picked six. I picked Zeke because he was at five and we were at six. But who are you thinking? I mean, David Montgomery, Josh Jacobs, Chris Carson. I'm willing to reach on Chris Carson.

[Jason Moore]

All the way into the third round now.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, right now Chris Carson is, according to this adp, the back of the third round. You would basically be at the turn. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

You're not. I don't think I'm going to get him if I don't take him.

[Jason Moore]

He has boarded a rocket ship.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And I think it's deservedly so. I mean, he, he's the guy, to me, that is my highest ranked running back currently on the board. I have him one spot ahead of Devonta Freeman. I've got him as my running back. 16. So while it's much higher than we've seen Chris Carson go over the, you know, the off season, look, he's. He's on an offense that wants to run the ball and he is going to be the man. They're talking about getting him more and more involved in the passing game. We've seen it in camp, we've seen it in preseason.

[Mike Wright]

We've heard it.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

We've heard it from sources.

[Jason Moore]

Well, and they.

[Mike Wright]

Close to the team.

[Jason Moore]

They've talked about how great his hands are. So let's see if they actually utilize him. If this were my team, I would be going with a running back because I'm going to play the game of one of these wide receivers could come back. We're talking Keenan, I guess I'm still confident in taking him. Diggs, Edelman, Brandon Cooks, Robert woods, those five guys, I believe that one of them will come back. This could bite us in the butt because we're right in the middle, middle, middle of the round. But. But when we look at the running back position one, the tears are getting a little bit more nebulous here in the third round. If you don't, it would be between, man, Jake, if you don't take Chris Carson here, you don't get him. If you don't.

[Mike Wright]

Well, sure, but I'm just trying to bring to light some of the names you're going to be choosing from next round. I mean, if you don't get him here, you're probably having to look at, you know, does Derek Henry make it back around? Probably not. Does Mark Ingram. Is mark Ingram your RB2 on a mix and led running back court?

[Andy Holloway]

You could get Sony.

[Mike Wright]

You might be able to get Sony.

[Jason Moore]

Sony or Coleman.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

I mean Coleman is still going a little bit later in drafts and I love Tevin Coleman as an RB2.

[Mike Wright]

I'd be happy taking Carson and then if those two guys that we love come back around, taking them as well.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we'll take Carson.

[Mike Wright]

All right, Carson off the board. Marlon Mack, Melvin Gordon, Josh Jacobs. Keenan Allen goes next. David Montgomery. I think Brooks, you pointed out David Montgomery has passed Josh Jacobs in average draft position.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

This past weekend. Third.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, third round.

[Jason Moore]

That is wild, man.

[Mike Wright]

That's fine. Oh, it doesn't bother me. I mean it doesn't. Does it bother you?

[Jason Moore]

No, it's.

[Mike Wright]

I just think it's wild just that it happened.

[Jason Moore]

Here's the thing. David Montgomery is getting love. I mean he's gotten a ton of love on this show. A lot of our friends in the fantasy industry are giving David Montgomery love. Josh Jacobs was still a first round pick and not just. We're not just talking a Rashad penny where he penny was a first round pick, but there was some other guys on the team that they liked. Josh Jacobs is the guy for Oakland. I mean it's. He. His role is far more secured to me where as in we're just talking risk. Another article came out today. Talking. It seems the whispers from the bushes are confirming what we kind of thought that they really hope that David Montgomery becomes a three down guy, but Josh Jacobs was brought in to be that player. So it's just wild to me that they're going right next to each other.

[Mike Wright]

Do you think that has to do with confidence in the organization?

[Jason Moore]

It certainly could. It's the, the publicity in the news on the Raiders. It's not been positive.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you take Bears offense over the Raiders offense. I think that's the reason you're seeing the flip. But I do, I do completely understand. The more secured works appears to be Josh Jacobs because of Tariq Cohen.

[Mike Wright]

All right, fourth round. Ertz and Kittle go before us. Henry and Michelle before us. Cooper and Edelman as well. So we're sitting here. You've got your choice of Brandon Cooks and Robert woods from the Los Angeles wide receiver Corps. Godwin Lockett, A.J. green. In the fourth round, if you feel like waiting a few weeks, you've got Tevin Coleman still on the board. You mentioned it, Mike. I think you know, Coleman is somebody that is being undervalued.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Due to the fact that there are multiple running backs in San Francisco and probably because people expected more when they actually did play him last year. Miles Sanders is still there. I would love, I think the play here is to go wide receiver and then see if somebody like Miles Sanders comes back in the next round.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, we, our running backs are already pretty solid here between Mixon and Chris Carson. It's a great starting core.

[Mike Wright]

Where are you at, Jay?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, so I look, there's a couple of players that I like. Obviously Robert Woods. This is where I would be taking him. I would take woods tier wide receiver for me. But I also love Tyler Lockett and maybe he could get back to me next round. That would be, that would be a little dicey.

[Jason Moore]

You have Lockett anywhere you have him close to.

[Andy Holloway]

I have my wide receiver 17. So Robert woods is higher, but I.

[Mike Wright]

Think Lockett is freshly unrolled. Tyler Lockett poster above his bed.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. No, and then at running back, you know, we, that's where. Okay, do you go maybe on the.

[Mike Wright]

Ceiling, maybe above his head on Lockett.

[Andy Holloway]

To me, if I, if, you know, if this pick was mine, I would take my guy Robert Woods, I would be fine taking the gamble, taking Tevin Coleman and hoping Lockett gets back over woods here.

[Jason Moore]

So you're saying you would prefer or you're interested in going Coleman here, pad up the three running backs. Let me put Lockett gets back and just. And forfeiting Robert Woods.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I'M saying if it was solely my pick, I would take woods, but I'm fine going Coleman and taking the gamble that Lockett gets back Robert woods.

[Mike Wright]

And Miles Sanders or Tevin Coleman and Tyler Lockett. I mean, to me that's a no brainer. I'd rather have the Woods Sanders side.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Before I click the button for Robert woods, which I'm happy to do, what do you make of another season for Brandon Cooks in the same offense? I mean, we joke about the fact that he's never had the opportunity to do this. Very often he's been traded but yet puts up a thousand plus yards. A lot of credit is given Robert woods duly so that he had a chance to come in and learn the McVeigh system and then contribute in a bigger way. What about Brandon Cook? Is there a ceiling for Brandon Cooks that we're not aware of?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean the ceiling between these two players, Brandon Cooks is higher. I think most people would say that and I think all three of us would say the ceiling is higher for Brandon Cooks. It's a matter of consistency for me that that's what I love about Robert Woods. I feel like he is the number one read in the offense and so he'll end up as the number one target. He'll be more consistent on a week to week basis. I like both guys. If woods was gone, I would take Brandon Cooks. I'd be happy to have him here. But yeah, I just like the consistency of Bob Woods.

[Mike Wright]

If you look Bobby woods, if you look at our roster, which is Devonte Adams, Joe Mixon, Chris Carson, Robert woods, it's hard to argue that there isn't a volume guarantee in production here, right? I mean like Adams volume, I mean Mixon and Carson volume. They could lead each of their conferences in carries, it's possible. And then woods is very consistent. So I like the foundation, the consistency, the week to week, the upside that's built into our team. If you have to break down upside, downside, the upside that I see is somebody like Carson developing as a pass catcher being more valuable than that mid third round pick. Downside would be, you know, the offense in Cincinnati Mix and sharing more third down work with Joe Bernard than we would want. But ultimately I think there's a lot of guaranteed production on this roster. Godwin, Ingram, Cooks, Golladay, Lindsey finishing the fourth round. Lockett, Mike Williams, Cooper Cup, O.J. howard, Tyler Boyd. And then we're on the clock at the 506.

[Jason Moore]

The past two rounds have been delightful for our strategy where Once we took Chris Carson, there was a mini running back run and then we took woods and then it turned into a wide receiver run. So the running back targets that we were looking at, they're both there.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Devin Coleman, who we were considering last round is still there.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, go ahead.

[Andy Holloway]

To me that that would be an easy pick here in the fifth round to get a guy who is the starter for a Kyle Shanahan offense. I mean Matt Burrida last year when he was the main guy was very fantasy relevant. I think Coleman brought in clearly the starter right now from camp. He's the guy now. Is his upside as much as Miles Sanders? No. But that would take Miles Sanders becoming something that he is currently not, a bell cow for a team that has not used them that way. So I would take the more sure thing in what I perceive to be Tevin Coleman.

[Mike Wright]

To be clear with what you were saying, you're saying a team that hasn't used a running back in that fashion. Not Miles Sanders specifically.

[Andy Holloway]

Correct.

[Mike Wright]

And I have Tevin Coleman at 22. I have Miles Sanders at 25. I could see drafting either guy depending on how you know you're building your roster. I want to bring A.J. green's name up in the middle of the fifth round. It's not often you get a draft A.J. green in the middle of the 5th round. He's there on the board. So are you. Would you consider him?

[Jason Moore]

I might consider him based off of the safety of our team where like you were. We just ran through it. The four players that we have in volume seem extremely safe. But even having said that, with the upside of AJ Green, I'm still going to take Coleman here.

[Mike Wright]

How big a difference does it make if you have an IR spot or not? Because a lot of people ask that to us. Should I draft significant because I have an IR spot? Yeah. Do we have an IR spot in this mock Brooks? I don't think so.

[Andy Holloway]

So the thing about breaking news, I.

[Mike Wright]

Really like that button sometimes was the.

[Andy Holloway]

Breaking news that we don't have an IR spot.

[Mike Wright]

The breaking news is that Antonio Brown is practicing today.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, incredible.

[Mike Wright]

So the ball bounced the right direction.

[Jason Moore]

Breaking news. NFL player practicing, practicing.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I'll let you know if something changes before the end of the show.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the thing with the IR slot and someone like AJ Green, like AJ Green, you're probably going to need to take right around here, fifth round pick. The thing about an IR slot that would let me take someone like Kareem Hunt, who I'm not even considering if he could go in which I know in some systems he can. But someone that's not coming back for a long time, that's cheap as 10th rounder, then he's not clogging up your bench. But if you take AJ Green in the fifth, it's not just that he's clogging up your bench, it's that he's, he is actually the opportunity cost of who you're missing out on. You know, Robbie woods or Tevin Coleman or these other really valuable players. It's not just a matter of the bench spot that he takes up.

[Mike Wright]

I want you to find a new way to say Robert Woods's name. Every time you say it. Sometimes he's Robbie woods, sometimes he's Bob Woods.

[Jason Moore]

Sure, Rob the Bob.

[Andy Holloway]

And I'm technically the reason I said.

[Jason Moore]

That you put me on the spot.

[Andy Holloway]

I meant Robbie Anderson, who is, who was still on the clock.

[Mike Wright]

Well, that's a different name altogether.

[Andy Holloway]

Bobby Anderson.

[Mike Wright]

Tevin Coleman. We'll take Tevin Coleman. Now we've got a really interesting decision because Evan Ingram's off the board. We had a run of quarterbacks. By the way, if you're on our YouTube, YouTube.com the fantasy footballers, you can see the draft board taking place. We're using the sleeper app. AJ Green, Calvin Ridley, Rogers White, Mayfield, DJ Moore, Lamar Miller, Latavius Murray, Jarvis Landry, Alshon Jeffrey. And guess what guys, Miles Sanders is back. We can take him at 6:07 and I want to, I want to over Robbie Anderson. Yes. I think we have the opportunity to add depth to a running back position that isn't as deep as the wide receiver. I love Robbie Anderson. I love Robbie Anderson. But because we have Devonte Adams, because we went wide receiver round one, because we took Robert woods, there's not a tandem more reliable than those two. My vote here would be Miles Sanders. Because of the stability of our team. I am fine, you know, handing the pick off. If Mike wants to go, my guy Robbie Anderson, he can do so. But at this point you're looking at on a week to week basis, Mike is the upside of drafting a Miles Sanders. You're talking about, is this going to be a flex player for you? Are you going to flex Robbie Anderson out? Are you going to flex Miles Sanders out? Where are you leaning with the debate?

[Jason Moore]

It's, it's difficult because I mean, when we look at the running backs, Miles Sanders is the last of the potential starting guys by maybe week five, week six, all of a sudden Doug Peterson has changed and Miles Sanders is running in A three down roll. I mean, it's in the realm of possibilities for a player they spent a second round pick on. But we are the team is. Would be very running back heavy at that point. And I like.

[Mike Wright]

This is your pick.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, perfect. I like taking my shots. Like I talked about my, my JG Wentworth approach. I like taking my, the later shots on running backs to see if they, if they hit early on and then pound that on the waiver wire if it doesn't work out. I would rather take who I consider to be a stud wide receiver and that would be Robbie Anderson.

[Mike Wright]

All right, I will, I'll try one last time to sway you.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Hypothetically, if you take Robbie Anderson here, I think that's fine. That's a good pick. Middle of the sixth round, there are names that you're going to be able to get over the next two rounds that you might be pretty happy filling in your wide receiver spot with. Marvin Jones, Samuel Watkins, Curtis Samuel, mbs.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, there's guys that I'm happy with, but just the way that I view Robbie Anderson.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

This season I have Robbie Anderson as a, as a top 20 player.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me make one other comment. If you take Robbie Anderson, our team is balanced, right? Three running backs, three wide receivers. Should it come back around to us where we want a tight end? If we took the running back, I feel like we'd be forced to take a wide receiver here because we'd have four running backs, only two wide receivers going into the seventh round. It might make things a little bit difficult.

[Mike Wright]

All right, we took Robbie. Miles Sanders went next. And Christian Kirk, Austin Eckler, Darius. Guys, Matt, Ryan hunter, Henry, Vance McDonald. Carry on. Carry on. Drake. Yeah, that's a new player. Kenyon Drake.

[Jason Moore]

Dude, if you fused Kenyan Drake, Jason would no longer exist.

[Mike Wright]

Carry on. Drake.

[Jason Moore]

He would, he would be shot into the ether realm.

[Mike Wright]

That would be the only way to get like them, the full workload.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

Andrew Luck. Carson wins. Carson Wins. Going at 7:5 in this draft. A little bit earlier than lately. Earlier than lately. It's true though. It still makes sense. All right, we took Robbie Anderson, some players on the board for us at the sixth pick of the seventh round. Tariq Cohen, Rashad Penny. We do have Carson. That is a little bit of.

[Jason Moore]

I don't want to do it.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, who else do we got? We got Alan Robinson, we've got Will Fuller, Dante Pettis, Sammy Watkins, a pile of wide receiver options.

[Jason Moore]

And then. So for me, this is the part of the draft where, look, I've talked about the regression coming for this player that I don't really love drafting him, but part of being a fantasy football player and a fantasy football analyst is I have to be open that things are going to go not the way I project them. Like I'm. I'm going to get some things wrong. And Tariq Cohen is not normally around this slot in drafts. In the middle of the seventh round, people snatch him up the five and the six. For me at this point, this is one of those. Swallow the pride. Understand that Tariq Cohen could still be the player he was last year, even with Mike Davis and David Montgomery coming on the team to siphon up that passing work. So I would take Cohen.

[Mike Wright]

All right, we'll take Cohen.

[Jason Moore]

I figured it wouldn't be hard to talk you into Cohen.

[Mike Wright]

We have a few rounds to get through, so I made it easy. Once you said Tariq Cohen, Allen Robinson, Will Fuller, Jared Cook and then Penny Freeman Howard to finish the round. I don't think fantasy owners know what to do with Jordan Howard right now at all. There are people that want to snatch up every share of Jordan Howard late that they can possibly get. There are those that don't want to touch him with the ten foot pole because they believe Miles Sanders will be a three down back by week three or four and Howard will have unpredictable value. I think that's my fear with Jordan Howard. Value, yes. Predictability, none.

[Jason Moore]

I can see that happening because he.

[Mike Wright]

Could be a touchdown dependent guy. Dante Pettis with the eighth round. First pick, Daryl Henderson, Drew Brees, Kyler Murray, Sammy Watkins, Cam Newton. Quarterbacks be gone, quarterbacks be drafted. Cam, one of our favorite late round guys. Although I'm happy to wait.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Lamar Jackson.

[Andy Holloway]

Right now you've still got Russell Wilson, Jared Goff, Jameis Winston, Lamar Jackson. Tons of quarterbacks available, so I'm not worried there at tight end. Man, if you told me that Andrew Luck was playing again, kind of like what you were saying, Mike, you might project things to go a certain direction, but Eric Ebron being here is somewhat tempting considering after him, it's a real crapshoot. Maybe you just go, you know, with your last pick at a Jordan Reed or Mark Andrews and then at wide receiver. I do really like the potential that Curtis Samuel has to break out and be a top flight wide receiver. There's a lot of good options here. This is a question of roster construction. We're balanced right now with running backs and wide receivers. Do you look to tight end or keep stacking your flex?

[Mike Wright]

Any thoughts of Jared Goff? Think we can wait around.

[Jason Moore]

I think we can wait at least one round.

[Mike Wright]

I know he's your guy.

[Jason Moore]

He is. I mean I would love to have him on the team. So I don't mind here. If you are concerned that someone's going to snatch him up, maybe you draft him a little bit early. The two players I'm looking at are Curtis Samuel and Marvin Jones.

[Mike Wright]

What about Caleb Lash?

[Jason Moore]

He's in. He's also interesting. But I wanted to highlight these two wide receivers. From what Jason was talking about the construction of our roster, where do we. Marvin Jones is higher in my rankings. I think that the probability of Jones being a safe in that 20 to 30 range, I think there's a high outcome that happens. Curtis Samuel could legit break out though.

[Mike Wright]

His ADP is going up.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

As it's very interesting as it should be.

[Jason Moore]

I mean he's. The publicity on him from the industry, the fantasy industry has been huge and all reports out of camp have been glowing. Glowing to showering Curtis Samuel and praise. So with. I'm going to throw it to you, Jason, with the roster or the question, not the.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

With the construction of this roster, would you take someone who you consider safer in Marvin Jones or would you take the upside play of Curtis Samuel?

[Andy Holloway]

I would take the upside play. I think we've got the safety. You've got to crack this roster by breaking out and being something special. And I think Curtis Samuel could. If you were throwing me the pick, I know it's crazy, but I think I'd pull a ninja here and go Eric Ebron.

[Jason Moore]

The pick is gone. Jason.

[Mike Wright]

Curtis Samuel was the pick. Jason, that was such a distant past that you were referring to Marvin Jones. Geronimo Allison, Ebron. The Bears defense, much like our celebrity draft going very early in this one. Larry Fitzgerald, Ronald Jones, Caleb Bellage, Wilson and Goff. So we do not get Jared Goff, David and Joku. And then we're on the board here at 9:06. You still have Lashawn McCoy available. Who by the way, this. Don't miss this week of the show, please. Or any week ever. But this week in particular, we've got breakouts, bus values, we've got sleepers. My Value Pick prequel. It's LaShawn McCoy.

[Jason Moore]

I don't hate it.

[Mike Wright]

He Sean McCoy.

[Jason Moore]

He told us. He said, I've been told I'm the guy.

[Mike Wright]

The evidence so far preseason has suggested that he is the guy. And my value pick of McCoy is fully with the lens of about four games. I don't even four five, six games. Even if it doesn't work out beyond that, there is a point in the draft where somebody has to draft Lashelle McCoy, even if you're buying yourself a few weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

So he was the guy I wouldn't getting all the first team snaps. They were putting him wide multiple plays where he was lining up as a receiver. It was cool to see that. You just wonder, like, are they. Are they showcasing him?

[Jason Moore]

That look, that thought did cross my mind as well.

[Mike Wright]

It's been that thought for years. So maybe if they showcase him, sure. I mean, they trade him, congrats to wherever he goes, maybe. I don't know.

[Jason Moore]

Honestly, if they trade him, his value doesn't go down to me. Unless for some reason, someone trades for Lashawn McCoy to come be your backup running back. I mean, that. We've. We've made problems with coaches doing rational things before, but that just doesn't make sense.

[Mike Wright]

I want to say this. It's the six picks, sixth pick of the ninth round. There are only two quarterbacks. You guys would probably say three, but there are two that I'm excited about their upside, which is what I'm looking for here. Right. I want a guy that if I draft them and I hit right, I might have a guy for the duration of the season. Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen. I'm happy not taking one of them here. I'm happy waiting until the middle of the 10th round. But if one of those two guys gets back to us at the 10:07, are you cool taking them?

[Andy Holloway]

Josh Allen.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Has been so low in an average draft position.

[Mike Wright]

Joshu. Sorry.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, thank you, Stallion.

[Mike Wright]

But I don't have the button here, man. I wasn't ready for that.

[Andy Holloway]

Josh Stallion.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, keep. Hold on.

[Andy Holloway]

Because he runs, we call him Josh Stallion.

[Mike Wright]

What's the nickname for him again?

[Andy Holloway]

Josh.

[Mike Wright]

Thanks, Brooks.

[Andy Holloway]

Our smoothest drop of all time. But my point is, like, he's going so late that usually in most of these drafts that I've seen, you could just grab him with your last pick. Josh Allen, that is. Lamar Jackson's been rising and I think the third you were saying we would consider as Jameis.

[Mike Wright]

No, I assumed you meant Dak Prescott.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, gotcha.

[Mike Wright]

And yep.

[Jason Moore]

If you really want to have you.

[Mike Wright]

Got Dede on the board here too. Got mvs.

[Andy Holloway]

So right now we have four running.

[Mike Wright]

Backs for the undraftable Corey Davis. That's his new nickname, by the way.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I like it.

[Mike Wright]

The undraftable Corey Davis.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, if. If it wasn't. If it was the 10, if it. If we were in the 10th round, then I wouldn't draft him.

[Jason Moore]

Also.

[Andy Holloway]

I would also not draft him there. But if he makes it, Adrian Peterson, then I would not draft him.

[Mike Wright]

Still on the board, by the way, Alexander Madison seems to have that backup job on lockdown in Minnesota.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Just throwing that out there as a preseason observation. Yes. I will have to admit he is. He's got it on lockdown. So he should be. He should be looked at by Dalvin Cook owners in every single draft.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, he should.

[Mike Wright]

He. There's only a handful of situations that are actually handcuff situations where you're like, that should happen most of the time. It's a waste of a bench spot. Dalvin Cook has had an injury history. Never played consecutive, you know, more than, you know, five or six weeks at a time. That's the situation I would actually do. All right, I'm going to take Dee Dee Westbrook. Yeah. LaShawn McCoy goes next. Another defense and we're going to come around to our 10th round pick. No other quarterbacks have gone off the board. Mbs, Metcalf Shepherd, Corey Davis is draftable, but not by us. And then we're back on the clock. Both quarterbacks still available. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, depending on where you guys have these players ranked, D. Jacks is on the board. Jalen Samuels has been going fairly high. We haven't spent a lot of time talking about Jalen Samuels. I don't think you have to have a discussion about Jamie Jalen Samuels that involves James Conner. I don't think that discussion needs to take place. I think the right way to think about Jalen Samuels would be in the same vein that you're looking at opportunity from Moncrie for Vance McDonald or Deontay Johnson, whoever it may be. They need pass catchers. They need somebody to contribute to the offense beyond juju, because juju's capped. What you got last year in volume is pretty well capped.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, the article that our editor Kyle did extensive research on looking at vacated targets and where the. Where they go. The history emphatically says that teams that have a ton of vacated targets heavily target the running back in that first year following. And I think that, yeah, that could be good for James Conner, but I think Jalen Samuels is going to be involved. He'll be on the field. It's just tough, though, because while he is a phenomenal handcuff, you're projecting something you haven't seen that he might be usable with Connor on the field. So it's tough to take him when, you know, I guess maybe he needs less to happen than a Devin Singletary that I would consider here. Maybe that's an argument for Jalen Samuels.

[Jason Moore]

A couple names I want to bring up. And maybe this is not the point in the draft where you guys are looking at it, but the two running backs who are threatening the holdout, Ezekiel Elliott, Melvin Gordon, at what point do you consider taking Justin Jackson or Tony Pollard where they may. It may be a short term window that they have value. It could be a long term window. Window. How are. Andy, how are you viewing those two guys?

[Mike Wright]

It's difficult with our team's construction because I'm not looking at them. Let's say if I hit on them, then I'm. I'm hitting on them as a trade asset because their value is going to come at the time when I'm starting Joe Mix and Chris Carson, Tevin Coleman, Tariq Cohen.

[Jason Moore]

But. But anyone we hit on at this point is probably a trade asset.

[Mike Wright]

Kind of. A lot of the guys we hit on at this point, you hit on Curtis Samuel. His value is pronounced throughout the duration of the season. You hit on Justin Jackson and Melvin Gordon comes back, you lose that you hit on. That's the way I'm viewing it is. I'm fine taking those guys, but I'm looking through the lens of what am I going to do with them even if I'm somehow right. For every good situation, for every James Conner late round draft pick, there are a handful of these ones where people just, they're just roster clogs. So I don't know if I'm on that side. I think I'd rather, you know, see what I have in another player earlier. You know, Josh Gordon, you know, take Josh Gordon here.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah, Josh Gordon.

[Jason Moore]

It's because his ADP is not fixed.

[Andy Holloway]

Fixed. Fantastic.

[Jason Moore]

I would take Josh Gordon in the 10th round, please, 100% of the time.

[Andy Holloway]

Now. What about Matt Breida? Matt Breida is, you know, you want.

[Jason Moore]

To have the whole 49er backfield.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the question is do you prefer to have that or.

[Mike Wright]

I'm fine with that.

[Andy Holloway]

Does that clog it up where you, you know, obviously if an injury happens, you're great. I think both players could be actually startable in certain weeks. But should we be wrong about Tevin Coleman being the starter? Maybe it's Breeda and Coleman is playing the Tevin Coleman role from the Atlanta Falcons Kyle Shanahan system. Maybe protect yourself with Matt Breida.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we will. We took. Gordon is coming back around to us. Unfortunately, Lamar Jackson is gone. I would like to secure our quarterback here. I would like to take Joshua Allen.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm totally on board. That's, you know, we said Jameis Winston, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen were the three guys that I was happy to get. Jameis Winston left, Lamar Jackson was off the board. Take Josh Allen. Who would have been the first of those three guys anyways?

[Mike Wright]

Okay, we've got two picks left. One's got to be a tight end. Do you want to take it here? We've got Burton, Jordan Reed, Mark Andrews, Dallas Goddard.

[Jason Moore]

I think we all know where we're going.

[Andy Holloway]

I think we're all, we're all on board with going. Jordan Reed at this point. Pick up your defense in your last round and we'll be set.

[Mike Wright]

All right, why don't you, Jason, why don't you read back our roster?

[Andy Holloway]

All right, so thoughts that you have at wide receiver. We have Devonte Adams, Robert Woods, Robbie Anderson, Curtis Samuel, Dede Westbrook and Josh Gordon. That is a loaded receiving core.

[Jason Moore]

That worked out.

[Andy Holloway]

Running back Joe Mixon, Chris Carson, Tevin Coleman, Tariq Cohen. So I, you know, running back would be the place.

[Mike Wright]

Little thinner.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we're a little thinner. Jordan Reed and Josh Allen are our tight end and quarterback. So yeah, I mean, running back would be the one question where, you know, taking Dede and Josh Gordon in back to back rounds and not looking at a running back there. Maybe that's where you say, wish we had Breeda and Gordon.

[Jason Moore]

I will say for that, I mean, we have potentially 4 very usable running backs to start the season and we know what we're going to be attacking on the waiver wire. So it's because those, to me, at least three of the four are in my opinion, very locked in. Cohen certainly could be. I'm confident. Even though generally I want to have more running backs than I do wide receivers. I know what I have to address right now. This isn't. I don't, I don't have to play this wish washy. Game of the. There's a wide receiver looks great and there's a running back who looks great. I know what I'm doing.

[Mike Wright]

I was going to say there is an advantage to kind of knowing what you have in the bag and what you might need when trading time comes around or waiver wire or fab dollars. The imbalance can be an advantage if you strategically use it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So that is it for today's mock draft. Let us know what you think.

[Andy Holloway]

Of it.

[Mike Wright]

Head over to YouTube. YouTube.com the fantasy footballers if you want to see the whole board, all the other teams, let us know if we disappointed you greatly or blew your minds with the incredible, stunning picks that we made. And we want to thank today's studio sponsor, Pristine Auction. Bob Woods. Bobby Woods, Robert woods signed jersey yesterday $58.50 Jason turns his head to see what's on the wall today. It's a Mike Evans sign jersey.

[Jason Moore]

If he just signs things. Bob, just Bob. Bob.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

Wow.

[Jason Moore]

That would be so.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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