Most Surprising Teams + RB Underdogs - Fantasy Football Podcast for 6/10

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Episode Summary: "Most Surprising Teams + RB Underdogs" – Released June 10, 2025

In this engaging episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright delve into the upcoming fantasy football season, focusing on surprising team performances and identifying underrated running back (RB) underdogs. They also address listener questions from their mailbag, offering expert insights and strategic advice for fantasy managers.

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1. Surprising Fantasy Football Teams

Jacksonville Jaguars: A Potential Dark Horse

Andy Holloway initiates the discussion by highlighting the Jacksonville Jaguars as a team poised for a surprising turnaround. Last season, the Jaguars struggled significantly, ranking 26th in points per game. Key issues included injuries to quarterback Trevor Lawrence and disappointing performances from RB Travis Etienne and Evan Ingram. However, with notable changes, including the emergence of rookie Brian Thomas Jr. and the addition of Travis Hunter, the Jaguars now present a more optimistic outlook.

Andy Holloway [04:17]: "I'll kick us off. I am very curious about the Jacksonville Jaguars... They have the sixth easiest strength of schedule as far as when you're looking at, you know, projected lines going forward."

Las Vegas Raiders: Rebuilding with New Leadership

Mike Wright shifts the focus to the Las Vegas Raiders, a team that was last place in yards and points per game. Despite a tumultuous previous season with coaching changes and underperforming players, the Raiders have revamped their roster with a new head coach, Chip Kelly, and quarterback Geno Smith. The addition of promising RBs like Genti and Moster, along with wide receiver Jack Bash, suggests that the Raiders could surprise many by climbing the ranks this season.

Mike Wright [06:03]: "I went with the Raiders. The Raiders are 27th in yards per game, 29th in points per game altogether. IR last year... You got a new head coach, Pete Carroll. You got a new offensive coordinator in Chip Kelly."

San Francisco 49ers: Consistent Contenders

Jason Moore brings up the San Francisco 49ers, emphasizing their consistent performance and strong roster. With players like George Pickens and tight end Brock Bowers, the 49ers are expected to outperform their average draft positions (ADPs) and remain a top contender in fantasy leagues. Their easy schedule further solidifies their potential for a standout season.

Jason Moore [08:07]: "Quick one off the top of my head is the 49ers and look. Yeah, Kittle and well Kittle's being underdrafted as he always is."

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2. News Highlights

Aaron Rodgers Joins the Pittsburgh Steelers

One of the major announcements of the episode is quarterback Aaron Rodgers signing a one-year deal with the Pittsburgh Steelers. At 41 years old, Rodgers brings veteran experience to the Steelers’ roster. While some hosts express optimism about his impact, concerns arise regarding his declining performance metrics, such as reduced completion percentages and yards per attempt.

Mike Wright [09:58]: "Well, it happened officially. The Steelers agreed to terms with quarterback hall of Famer Aaron Rodgers on a one-year deal."

Andy Holloway [10:24]: "His career is about to resurge back to superstardom."

Nick Chubb Signs with the Houston Texans

Nick Chubb has secured a one-year contract with the Houston Texans, worth $2.5 million, with potential incentives bringing it up to $5 million. Despite his outstanding career, concerns linger about his recent injuries, including a knee and foot injury that have limited his playtime.

Mike Wright [12:25]: "Nick Chubb signs a one-year deal. $2.5 million. So not a lot of money to go be a back up in good old Houston."

Rashad Bateman Extends with the Minnesota Vikings

Rashad Bateman has signed a three-year, $36 million contract extension with the Minnesota Vikings. However, hosts express skepticism about the deal, citing Bateman’s inconsistent performance last season, where he recorded 45 receptions for 756 yards and nine touchdowns.

Mike Wright [14:50]: "Rashad Bateman signs a three-year, $36 million contract extension. Get that money, 20 million guaranteed."

Injury Updates: Anthony Richardson and Amon Ross

Anthony Richardson aggravated a shoulder injury, sidelining him from minicamp and delaying his development. Additionally, Amon Ross from the Detroit Lions underwent knee cleanup surgery, though it's not deemed serious.

Mike Wright [15:58]: "Anthony Richardson aggravated his right shoulder injury, will not be participating in minicamp."

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3. Mailbag Highlights

Must-Draft RB Outside the Top 20

A listener from Atlanta asks for recommendations on RBs to draft outside the top 20. The hosts collectively highlight DeAndre Swift and Brian Robinson Jr. as valuable options due to their opportunities and potential roles in their respective teams.

Jason Moore [20:48]: "Well I'll throw a non rookie out, DeAndre Swift. I mean to me I think DeAndre Swift has a huge opportunity."

Andy Holloway [21:08]: "I would throw Brian Robinson Jr. Out there. He's being drafted way later than what his opportunity is."

Kyron Williams vs. Bucky Irving: Which RB to Choose?

Another listener asks whether to draft Kyron Williams or Bucky Irving. The hosts generally prefer Bucky Irving if the cost is equal, citing his higher explosive potential and current draft value.

Andy Holloway [27:22]: "If you're saying Bucky or Kyron straight up and they cost the same... Then I probably would lean the Bucky side."

Mike Wright [27:56]: "I think we all think Bucky's being drafted at or above his ceiling, which is too expensive."

DK Metcalf vs. Rashid Rice as Flex Options

A question about choosing between DK Metcalf and Rashid Rice as a flex option leads to a consensus favoring DK Metcalf due to his consistent performance and higher floor, despite Rashid Rice’s potential upside in best ball formats.

Jason Moore [28:29]: "I agree."

Andy Holloway [29:50]: "But I don't see him. The question is who would you rather have as a flex? Yeah, it's Metcalf."

Has Zay Flowers Reached His Ceiling?

Listeners inquire about the potential ceiling for wide receiver Zay Flowers. The hosts discuss his current performance metrics, emphasizing that while consistent, he hasn’t yet showcased the elite touchdown production needed to break into the top tier.

Andy Holloway [34:06]: "He can't profile or will ever profile as a top upper echelon guy because of his stature and routery."

Mike Wright [36:21]: "Well, Zay Flowers is never going to be a 8 to 10 touchdown guy."

Trade Christian McCaffrey for Omari and Hampton (Dynasty League)

A listener asks whether to trade Christian McCaffrey for Omari and Hampton in a dynasty league. The hosts advocate for trading McCaffrey, especially if confident he can secure RB12 over two years, preferring the long-term value Omari and Hampton offer.

Andy Holloway [40:09]: "I would rather have Hampton on a dynasty roster."

Mike Wright [42:44]: "I think what you are saying when you word this question is you're hoping that Christian McCaffrey is a top three back."

Is It Bad to Have a Lot of Rookies in a Starting Lineup?

The consensus from the hosts is that having rookies in your starting lineup isn't inherently bad, but caution is advised due to the variability in rookie performances and their adaptation periods.

Jason Moore [43:55]: "No, no."

Andy Holloway [44:03]: "Pretty easy."

Garrett Wilson vs. Marvin Harrison Jr.: Which WR to Choose?

When asked to choose between Garrett Wilson and Marvin Harrison Jr., the hosts lean slightly towards Marvin Harrison Jr. due to his higher ceiling and consistency, although they recognize Garrett Wilson’s potential, especially with a future upgrade at quarterback.

Mike Wright [45:35]: "I'd rather have Marvin for the chance of being a little bit higher ceiling."

Andy Holloway [46:56]: "I'm on the Marvin side here for the exact thing you laid out."

Tettero and McMillan Ceiling as Rookies

A listener inquires about the rookie wide receivers Tettero and McMillan. The hosts agree that while they won't break into the top 12, they possess the potential to finish within the top 24, making them valuable additions in drafts with room for high-upside players.

Jason Moore [48:17]: "No, not a top 12 I don't think but I think he can make it into the top 24."

Andy Holloway [49:47]: "But we did see Adam Thielen with Bryce Young his rookie year be hyper targeted and be the number one for an offense."

Jaden Blue Taking Over the Cowboys Backfield

Lastly, a listener asks if Jaden Blue will take over the Cowboys' backfield. The hosts express low optimism, pointing out his size and current role within the team's backfield alongside established RBs like Javante and Miles Sanders.

Jason Moore [50:00]: "Very low, very low odds of taking over."

Andy Holloway [51:17]: "He is an undersized guy. He's 5, 9, 200. You don't see him as a 300 opportunity player."

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4. Additional Discussions

Podcast Expansion Plans

The hosts announce their intention to increase the frequency of podcast episodes in the upcoming months, with plans to release three episodes in July and five in August, ensuring listeners have ample content throughout the season.

Andy Holloway [33:49]: "July we go. We kick it up a notch. We go three episodes, then."

Community Engagement and Future Content

Emphasizing their commitment to the fantasy football community, the hosts encourage listeners to join their Discord and follow them on social media. They also tease future episodes covering early breakout sleepers, potential busts, and player valuations.

Mike Wright [52:46]: "We have early breakout sleepers, busts and values coming up on some episodes of the show very, very soon."

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5. Notable Quotes

• Andy Holloway [04:17]: “They have the sixth easiest strength of schedule as far as when you're looking at, you know, projected lines going forward.”

• Mike Wright [09:58]: “Aaron Rodgers is the Steelers quarterback. It is what we expected to happen.”

• Jason Moore [20:48]: “I think DeAndre Swift has a huge opportunity.”

• Andy Holloway [27:22]: “Then I probably would lean the Bucky side.”

• Mike Wright [28:29]: “I think we all think Bucky's being drafted at or above his ceiling, which is too expensive.”

• Jason Moore [48:17]: “No, not a top 12 I don't think but I think he can make it into the top 24.”

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Conclusion

This episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast provides a comprehensive analysis of potential surprise teams and underrated RBs for the upcoming fantasy football season. Through in-depth discussions and expert advice, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright equip fantasy managers with the insights needed to optimize their rosters and gain a competitive edge. Whether you're navigating trade decisions, drafting strategies, or seeking breakout players, this episode offers valuable guidance to enhance your fantasy football experience.

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

Foreignasy Footballers podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, welcome in.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah. We are so back.

[Mike Wright]

We are.

[Jason Moore]

We are back.

[Mike Wright]

Tuesday, June 10th. Welcome in one and all. Mike Wright, Jason Moore, Andy Holloway, the fantasy Footballers Tuesday episode. Got news to catch you up on. We got Mailbag. Today we'll answer some questions. We'll talk surprising fantasy football teams or teams that we're predicting to be surprising for the upcoming season. So that should be fun. We've been getting a smattering of he's reporting, he's not reporting news around minicamp.

[Andy Holloway]

He's reporting. He's not playing, he's not participating, but he's there.

[Mike Wright]

Which if you look at Deuces Alley right now we have a non reporting. I don't know if it's contractual, but Al Borland not reporting to minicamp right now. So we're in negotiations.

[Jason Moore]

He is holding out for a very long time.

[Mike Wright]

Now he's on a boat which most of the news with NFL players and boats is not good. So I hope. Oh, I hope he's making good boat decisions.

[Andy Holloway]

Actually, he made a really bad one.

[Mike Wright]

Did he?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

You already know about this.

[Andy Holloway]

I do. He do. He forgot to pack his CPAP charger.

[Jason Moore]

No. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He's 10 days on a boat.

[Mike Wright]

That phrase alone was like outing this man on multiple levels.

[Jason Moore]

You're doing right. You're doing right.

[Mike Wright]

He's CPAP, so he might not come back.

[Andy Holloway]

There's a 5050 chance he dies.

[Jason Moore]

Wait.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, wait. So he's on a boat. There's no way to get one right. You can't. Can you get a little Amazon drone to the boat?

[Andy Holloway]

Thank. Yeah. I mean, he's going to Alaska, so he's still somewhere where I'm sure he's.

[Jason Moore]

Stealing from a bear.

[Mike Wright]

He forgot a CPAP charger.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he said he might throw a fat man off the boat so he can steal his charger.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, okay. Is there an alternative? Like a mouth to mouth CPAP emergency situation?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, like in a bellows and just do a manual.

[Andy Holloway]

Manual bellows.

[Mike Wright]

That's how they used to cpap, by the way. They didn't have these machines.

[Andy Holloway]

We weren't nearly as fat a long time ago.

[Jason Moore]

Wow.

[Mike Wright]

Don't listen, Al. Don't listen today. Enjoy the boat.

[Andy Holloway]

I got a CPAP enjoy myself.

[Jason Moore]

I'm a bit of a CPAP expert myself.

[Mike Wright]

Been around the CPAP block.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, Jeremy's chiming in.

[Mike Wright]

Jeremy go back to vacation, guys. How in the world. Oh, okay. Yeah, he's go back to vacation Buddy.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

58.6.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, good. All right, 42.

[Mike Wright]

You can watch the show YouTube.com the fantasy footballers. Our quick question of the day comes in from Instagram. The question is, what team do you think will surprise the most this season? I saw this question in there. My first reaction was, okay, do I. Do they want us to say what team we think is going to compete? I figured, no, I figured this is fantasy. So from a fantasy perspective, what team do you think is going to surprise the most in 2025?

[Andy Holloway]

I'll kick us off. I am very curious about the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Jacksonville Jaguars were a very, very, very bad team last year. Obviously, the injury to Trevor Lawrence didn't help. Lost their coaching staff. They were 26th in points per game. Travis Etienne was a disaster. There was really no value. Even though Tank Bigsby was, you know, a better running back, he wasn't good for fantasy.

[Mike Wright]

You know, he showed up just enough to guarantee ETN was irrelevant.

[Andy Holloway]

And Evan Ingram destroyed people, including the Jaguars. I mean, this is a guy who. I know you guys are in on Evan Ingram this year, but he was 7.8 yards per catch. I mean, that's just. That's a bad play. A bad passing play for an offense is. And they did it a lot. So coming in this year, obviously they had one bright spot last year. Brian Thomas Jr. Came on the scene and was incredible. Rookie breakout. A star immediately in the NFL. Then they trade this year up for Travis Hunter. So I think I look at the weapons, they're saying the ETN's looking better right now in camp.

[Mike Wright]

If Trevor Lawrence subtraction. With Gabe Davis leaving.

[Andy Holloway]

Absolutely. I mean, Gabe Davis, Christian Kirk, Evan Ingram, it's It's out with the old and hopefully in with the. The new hotness in Brian Thomas Jr. And Travis Hunter. Trevor Lawrence back.

[Mike Wright]

Diamond Brown.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Diami Brown is out there. So this is a team that I think might surprise. They have the sixth easiest strength of schedule as far as when you're looking at, you know, projected lines going forward, not just based on last year. They added Bashaw Tootin in the draft. A lot of people's, you know, fantasy. Thank you. Fantasy darling sleeper.

[Mike Wright]

Not ours though, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Not mine personally.

[Mike Wright]

Not mine.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I don't, I don't necessarily.

[Jason Moore]

He's a guy of a. We want him be aware and be paying attention to camp because it's not.

[Mike Wright]

You can tell when he walks in a room.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And you got, you know, you got Mr. Duvall in town, which. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Liam Cohen did a lot of. He did a lot of work last year for Baker in that offense.

[Andy Holloway]

He's a goober, but maybe he, maybe he can figure it out for the offense.

[Mike Wright]

I went with the Raiders. The Raiders are 27th in yards per game, 29th in points per game altogether. Irrelevant. Last year you didn't have a quarterback that mattered throughout the season. You certainly didn't have a running back that mattered other than what, like a single sincere McCormick event that happened later in the year.

[Jason Moore]

Madison was getting touchdowns on the reds for a little bit.

[Mike Wright]

Madison's Amir White, Amir Abdullah, Sincere McCormick, some ensemble. Zemir was one of the biggest draft busts. If you targeted him anywhere in the draft, he did nothing. You got a new head coach, Pete Carroll. You got a new offensive coordinator in Chip Kelly. You got a new quarterback in Geno Smith. You got a new running back core in Genti and Moster. You've got a new wide receiver, Jack Bash coming in, second round pick. To me it looks like, I mean, he doesn't barely need to be mentioned. You're going to have potentially a top three tight end, maybe a top three running back in Gentee probably. You know, I think either Jacoby Meyer surprises to the positive side. I think it's in our values because you have a competent offense in a quarterback or you have a rookie that makes a big mark in Jack Besh. I don't think that you're going to have no production from the wide receiver room with what you have in play action now, with what you have in Brock Bowers now from the way you, you know, move a defense around. So I think Jacoby Myers or Jack Besh become relevant this year. I think Geno is very streamable and Maybe looks better than that at some point in the season and there's just a lot of excitement and optimism. They basically just react did the entire meaningful parts of the team. Brock Bauer stayed around but you know I think the Raiders are a team we're going to be talking about instead of bemoaning.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that makes sense. They were. They were worthless last year.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Mike, do you have a. Do you have a squad?

[Jason Moore]

The quick one off the top of my head is the 49ers of we and look. Yeah. Kittle and well Kittle's being underdrafted as he always is. McCaffrey is you know the wild card but Brock Purdy's good. Brock Purdy can supply us with Brock Purdy. Yeah, we got to slow down on the chickens but like I think Purdy can give us at least two pass catchers like Kittle plus games of Jennings or does Piersall take the next step in his second year. But they are the ADPs of the 49er wide receivers are in a place where they are very appealing to me and I think that they can like I expect them to outproduce the adp. It's not a guy I'm going to take the chance. We'll see what happens. No, I expect one of those guys between Jennings and Pearsall to be a weekly flex play at the worst.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. 6 and 11 season last year after three winning seasons in a row. But I think most people expect them to be competitive this year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they have a very easy schedule as well.

[Mike Wright]

I think the easiest. Yeah, I think they're number one.

[Andy Holloway]

They're set up for success. If you look at the odds to win the division, odds to get out of the NFC and go to the super bowl they're still high up there despite losing so much talent on both sides of the ball this off season.

[Mike Wright]

Imagine a world where you could like donate some draft picks for better. A better schedule and play that gamble.

[Jason Moore]

I gotta trade. Trade your third rounder for slightly like.

[Mike Wright]

To get a better schedule in the NFL.

[Andy Holloway]

But you I get to play the Browns for a third.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

All right, let's talk some news.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league.

[Mike Wright]

Well, it happened officially. The Steelers agreed to terms with quarterback hall of Famer Aaron Rodgers one year deal. He is the Steelers quarterback. It is what we expected to happen. He waited long enough to miss some stuff and he'll be the guy. He's got a deal that includes 10 million guaranteed worth up to 19.5. He's 41 years old and he's just.

[Andy Holloway]

Been on fire, you know.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

His career is about to resurge back to superstardom.

[Mike Wright]

Maybe you're talking about his completion percentage declining four straight years.

[Andy Holloway]

You mean going 71 to 69, to 65 to 63% last year or his.

[Mike Wright]

Yards per attempt declining going from 8.2.

[Andy Holloway]

To 7.7 to 6.8 to 6.7 last year.

[Mike Wright]

SAC rate going up.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, those numbers are going up.

[Jason Moore]

The sack rate didn't go down, man.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's true. It went up 3.7, 5.4, 5.6, 6.4 last year.

[Jason Moore]

I saw some.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know if you guys knew this. Jason's not super bullish on the acquisition of Aaron Rodgers. I expect it to work fine for Pittsburgh.

[Andy Holloway]

I certainly think it's good for DK Metcalf, like, you know, for the. For the past catchers. This is. This is an upgrade. But I do think from a. From a team standpoint, you know, this has always been Mike Tomlin's team. This is the Steelers and their identity. Aaron Rodgers is not. This is in Aaron Rodgers's mind. This is Aaron Rodgers team, period.

[Mike Wright]

Now, I don't. I think Aaron Rodgers is a good teammate.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I'm not saying he's a bad teammate.

[Mike Wright]

I'm just saying locker room guy.

[Andy Holloway]

He's going to. He's going to decide what happens.

[Mike Wright]

I think Big Ben's a big personality. I think AB is a big personality. I think Palomalu is a big personality. I think they've had a lot of those guys and that's what Tomlin does best. I. I don't know if I agree with the great for pass catcher situation, believe it or not, just in the sense that, yes, it's better than what they had, but I don't think Metcalf is a great fit for Aaron Rodgers. Metcalf is not Devonte Adams or anything close to it. He is imprecise. He is not an incredible route runner. He does not, you know, do everything that Devonte Adams does well. And then you look up and it's like, who else do you have around him? Like, that's. I guarantee this team signed somebody that matters. Amari Cooper, Keenan Allen. Somebody like that is going to end up on the Steelers and then we're all going to be sitting here and you regrettably have to talk about more possibly relevant players that we think Aaron will prop up.

[Andy Holloway]

And unfortunately, I assume Alan Lazard, they'll trade.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, clearly he's said he may not want to do that despite the completion Percentage yards per attempt and SAC rate that you just mentioned. He. Devonte Adams was incredible with it and Garrett Wilson was incredible with it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you had. If Garrett Wilson and Devonte Adams, you know, could fuse into one statistical player from last year, you would have been really, really happy with the fantasy output.

[Mike Wright]

Nick chubb signs a one year deal. $2.5 million. So not a lot of money to go be a back up in good old Houston. So he was a member of the Texans. Could be worth up to 5 million with incentives. He's 29.4 years old. We all love Nick Chubb.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, an amazing career. Does he have anything left? So he had the knee injury two years ago.

[Mike Wright]

We forget about the foot.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he broke his foot like he was. He was trying to make the comeback. It looked like a man who was not back yet, but then he broke his foot so he would even further back it. Does Nick Chubb have anything left?

[Andy Holloway]

I. I think there's a good spot just to.

[Jason Moore]

I agree with. I think this is a great shot that the Texans have, have, have taken here of what it would. It's real cheap. What if Nick Chubb does have something.

[Andy Holloway]

And if he doesn't, they're not, they're not in a situation where they're putting their hopes on Nick Chubb. They've got Joe Mixon.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Mix in multiple times last year, dealt with injury. He had high ankle sprains a couple of times. They did need somebody to come in. Weren't they running out Cam Acres?

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, I think they picked Cam Acres late in the season.

[Jason Moore]

Well, no, Acres then went to Minnesota. I think he started on Houston and then went to.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I mean they've needed some depth there. So it does make sense in that way.

[Jason Moore]

Rolling out a goomba Wally CJ Stroud.

[Mike Wright]

Resumed throwing at minicamp. I didn't see this on my dynasty bingo card years ago, but Rashad Bateman signs a three year, $36 million contract extension. Get that money, 20 million guaranteed. Last year, 45 receptions for 756 yards, which is a 16.8 clip. Nine touchdowns and cashed in on those nine touchdowns. You take that season, those numbers and you throw three touchdowns up on the board. Meaningless season.

[Andy Holloway]

You don't get this contract.

[Mike Wright]

Meaningless season. You put that. You catch 45 passes, but you score nine times.

[Andy Holloway]

Good job.

[Mike Wright]

Generational wealth.

[Andy Holloway]

Good job.

[Jason Moore]

Agent I. Bateman is. I think he's a little interesting.

[Mike Wright]

He's always been underrated in the sense that when he's on the field, he's been like, he's an okay player. He just had missed so much time. 12 games as a rookie, six games the next year. I mean, okay, you got DeAndre Hopkins.

[Andy Holloway]

There, Zay Flowers there for fantasy. I don't think that there's enough here to be excited about for Bateman. He's got to get the touch. If this was best ball and you're just going to get the big play opportunity, that's fine. But in season long leagues, I can't. Mooney or Bateman, I think I'd rather have Mooney.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. That's about the right category.

[Andy Holloway]

Pretty.

[Jason Moore]

That's close.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Anthony Richards. Anthony Richardson aggravated his right shoulder injury, will not be participating in minicamp. Dealing with inflammation in the shoulder, they believe he'll be ready for training camp.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, that is the same shoulder, the same injury he was dealing with. So this is really bad news. Coming into, you know, competition. Yeah. Coming off the off season and now you're injured. That's just. It's a bad look. Feels a little Trey Lancy.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, don't say that.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, this is, I think this is devastating. Devastating for Richardson.

[Mike Wright]

I would expect Daniel Jones at this point to be. I mean, I think we probably had him as a starter, but we imagine there'll be a change at some point during the year. But it's going to set Richardson back yet again. He needed to develop. That was the thing is we last off season when he was everybody's darling pick, it was like, if you look at the numbers, Jaden Daniels has all this collegiate experience, five years and then you had Anthony Richardson with basically a year. So developmental time, fix mechanics, fix the things that plagued you when you were inaccurate. Now it's all gone. You don't get to do that. So, yeah, I guess in that respect it's definitely setting you back. And Michael Pittman, also not at minicamp, but it doesn't sound like a serious injury. Amon Ross, St. Brown told reporters this past week he underwent a cleanup surgery in his knee.

[Andy Holloway]

How did we not know this? Like, how did we.

[Jason Moore]

The almond Raw. Yeah, I mean, it happens every year.

[Mike Wright]

Quiet cleanup.

[Jason Moore]

It happens every year.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, people didn't know you had a CPAP until a minute ago.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, that's true. Now the world knows. I think they could have assumed.

[Jason Moore]

Look, I'm in Raw.

[Mike Wright]

Are you hoping to retire? Is there a way that you could retire that cpap?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. That's the hope. You get healthy, you no longer need help breathing.

[Jason Moore]

Put that thing, put the banner up.

[Mike Wright]

Is there like a setting like fat and then less fat and then, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

You put in your weight and then it just, you know, less air, lighter.

[Jason Moore]

Amon Ra is a dog. He's going to play through whatever injury. He's not going to complain about it. And then, I don't know. Apparently he. Guessing he was on a. I don't know. He told reporters. It just came up and he's like, yeah, that's how awesome I am. I was playing hurt.

[Mike Wright]

I wonder if we need cleanups and we just don't get him in my own.

[Jason Moore]

I got. My right knee is.

[Mike Wright]

You need to clean up, bro.

[Jason Moore]

If I go into any sort of squatted position to stand up, that thing goes, wow.

[Andy Holloway]

I need someone else's left shoulder. Oh, yeah, mine's. Mine's bad.

[Mike Wright]

You need a swap, though, you're saying, right, you want a full swap?

[Andy Holloway]

I don't want to clean up.

[Mike Wright]

You don't want.

[Andy Holloway]

I just want like a healthy man's shoulder.

[Mike Wright]

If there's a two for one Mike, I can. My left knee, your right. Maybe we can get a doctor to do that. What else is going on? Minicamp holdouts. I talked about it earlier. Terry McLaurin not attending minicamp. He is frustrated with a lack of progress on a long term deal. He is trying to bateman here. He's trying to take his 13 touchdowns and get that cash, which he should.

[Jason Moore]

I believe he is also in the final year of his deal.

[Mike Wright]

This is the last check for McLaren.

[Jason Moore]

The last. Yeah. The last boy. Yeah. And he is. He's in the final year of his current contract.

[Mike Wright]

Johnny Smith not at mandatory minicamp. Him and Jalen Ramsey taking it off. Ramsey wants a trade and Johnny Smith.

[Andy Holloway]

Wants to be paid.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, there you go. Well done.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I saw you weren't going to hit the mark, so I had to step in.

[Mike Wright]

I didn't. James Cook, despite a bunch of negativity coming out. In fact, there was a report of him basically distancing himself from everything related to the.

[Andy Holloway]

Related to Buffaloes.

[Mike Wright]

Adam Schauster. Yeah. He basically disconnected himself from the organization, put his house up for sale. He said, quote, I don't think we'll be seeing him in Buffalo anytime soon. He showed up at minicamp.

[Jason Moore]

Well, because he knows that the contract is not coming and should he skip minicamp, he's going to get fined. Like. Terry can bet on the new contract covering his losses and James Cook cannot bet on that right now.

[Mike Wright]

Anything else? Josh Oliver, three year, big money extension tied in for the Vikings. Whenever these deals happen, people sometimes are like, wait What? Yeah, but they're tight end can be so valuable to a team without a fantasy player uttering their name.

[Jason Moore]

There's boring players in football who don't get his fantasy points and they need money too.

[Mike Wright]

19 million in total guarantees now good for you. But draft T.J. hawkinson. All right. We will take a break and we'll jump into some mailbag. All right. We're going to answer some of your questions. You ready, Mike?

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

Mailbag.

[Mike Wright]

Very nice. Very nice. If you have a question you can go to the website the fantasy footballers.com. click the submit a question button or you can dial the voicemail hotline. 302464 TFFB is this a good voicemail in here, Papa Josh?

[Andy Holloway]

It is.

[Mike Wright]

All right, let's do that. Hey ballers doc here from Atlanta. Who's your must draft? RB outside of the top 20 right now.

[Jason Moore]

Thanks. Okay, so RB not going in the top 20.

[Mike Wright]

That sound like a doctor too if you want to do the cleanup thing. He said oh he was a doc so.

[Jason Moore]

Well then I'm not going to give my answer until he rolls through the Smart, Mike Smart. You can't pay out until the doctor has paid out.

[Mike Wright]

I mean it's kind of right now.

[Andy Holloway]

It'S all the rookies but I doubt they stay.

[Mike Wright]

I mean I'll throw a non rookie out, DeAndre Swift. I mean to me I think DeAndre Swift has a huge opportunity. I don't like saying it out loud. I don't want my.

[Jason Moore]

No one likes it out loud.

[Mike Wright]

My name is Jason Moore and I like DeAndre Swift this year.

[Andy Holloway]

I would say if you're talking about the later guys that aren't the rookies because certainly it's all the rookies right now. I want them all. I'm drafting them all and I Caleb Johnson, I love Caleb Johnson but I would, I would throw Brian Robinson Jr. Out there. He's way. He's being drafted way later than what his opportunity is. I don't you know his talent. He's okay. He's average.

[Mike Wright]

I will there's Isaac Grindo.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Mike Wright]

I want to say the name out loud.

[Jason Moore]

I think that he is still just insurance though. Are you saying drafted like you. You think you'll have a enough of a role?

[Mike Wright]

I'm saying if you. We've spent time drafting Elijah Mitchell in the past with Christian McCaffrey there. This is a thought exercise, right? Like maybe we need to take that approach with Isaac Garendo where he's kind of a high value insurance back that may have Some week to week availability like Elijah Mitchell would get play sometimes and have a good fourth quarter and things like that. You're either going to have more of a committee where Grindo is relevant or less of a committee where Grindo is going to be relevant due to injury. Yeah, those are the two outcomes to me.

[Jason Moore]

That's what it is to me. I think that. I think McCaffrey is going to come right back into his full workload. Grindo is very athletic. We saw the Juice last year of. Okay.

[Mike Wright]

And they let Jordan Mason go.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And Mitchell go.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. And they didn't draft anyone of note. So yeah, Guerindo is a high value insurance running back, but I think that's all.

[Mike Wright]

When's the last time I would love to know this. And Kyle, you can effort it. We can come back to it later in the mailbag. I want to know the last time that we didn't have a relevant fantasy backup for the 49ers during the year because are we on five, six years straight?

[Andy Holloway]

No, I would say it was the year mattering that Christian Caffrey was the dominant number one running back.

[Jason Moore]

I'll just let me vet it real quick. But two years San Francisco 2022 he was the RB2. The following year he was the RB1. And we didn't have anybody those years.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Jason Moore]

You draft them.

[Mike Wright]

That was 22 and 23.

[Jason Moore]

Correct.

[Mike Wright]

And we didn't have any Elijah Mitchell relevance in those two years.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

The. The name all throw out is.

[Mike Wright]

Well, it feels like you always do by the way. He was.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, it feels like it.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Mitchell was the RB25 in 2021. Yeah. Okay.

[Jason Moore]

The. It's Jordan Mason for the Minnesota Vikings. I know like their situation is strange because Aaron Jones just got paid and had you know, the most opportunities of his career but they traded for and then paid Jordan Mason. Like to me making it more of an ambiguous situation where we. You like to take shots on this especially a very high powered offense like the Minnesota Vikings should be like Jordan Mason. Aaron Jones is at a draft point where it's. It's fine. I don't. He's not really in the. In that fourth round dead zone where you're bypassing high level wide receivers. But I think that there is a strong chance that, that Jordan Mason is in a full time share or Jordan Mason is. Ends up being the lead runner and Aaron Jones is brought in as the. As the third down guy. Jordan Mason is a much better or at least was a much better zone runner this past year and he is he is in the double digit rounds. And I think that Jordan Mason should be looked at as a. If you're a 0 RB type of a build, Jordan Mason should be a priority.

[Andy Holloway]

It would not be shocking if they just get equal work if they just split it down the middle and one of them is being drafted way later.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

All right. This Instagram question comes from fat boy Aaron. So another.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, CPAP bro.

[Mike Wright]

I knew that was coming. Do I actually have to worry about Kyron Williams still not having a contract with the Rams? Jason and I have been every once in a while in the middle of the office, Jason will be like, so yeah. Did Kyron sign anything today?

[Jason Moore]

The ETA on that Kyron contract? I would say no.

[Mike Wright]

It's not relevant to you. Do you. Don't worry about it.

[Jason Moore]

I do not worry about it.

[Mike Wright]

See, I think they love Jacquez Hunter and I think they have Blake Corum and I think that they don't want to make a Todd Gurley mistake and overpay now. I think they'll probably sign.

[Jason Moore]

That's why I think it's taking.

[Mike Wright]

Probably sign.

[Jason Moore]

It is. They're, they're working through all the, I get the, you know, all the behind the scenes stuff and they're like, oh man, we love Hunter. McVeigh loves his guys.

[Mike Wright]

It's a fourth round pick. So it's not, it's not like.

[Jason Moore]

Right. I mean the, the fact that they took Blake Corum in the third last year and we were, we had concerns. Okay, well, are they signaling us that they don't want to use Kyron as a true workhorse with a day two running back that, that part didn't come through. So I'm not, I'm not going to write off Hunter and say it's an impossibility. But I, I don't care about the contract right now because when will you. Probably never.

[Mike Wright]

This is final year, right.

[Andy Holloway]

For Dynasty. For Dynasty.

[Jason Moore]

I'll worry about that a lot.

[Andy Holloway]

But in redraft leagues, I think if they come in and he's on a contract year, they're going to just run.

[Mike Wright]

Him into the ground dead last in running backs. Among running backs and yards per outrun back to back years, they have some, some room in the passing game, I think. But he's been so dominant in the.

[Jason Moore]

Red zone, which Hunter, maybe Hunter steps into that role. But the goal line and all those things, I. Seeing the success that Kyron has had the last two years, I don't see them moving away.

[Mike Wright]

All right, Instagram question. Kyron Williams or Bucky Irving? Gigi writing in Kyren or Bucky? So a follow up on the Kyren question. If it were me on the, on the clock, I'd take Bucky.

[Andy Holloway]

The issue that I have. So if you're saying Bucky or Kyron straight up and they cost the same.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Then I probably would lean the Bucky side. I'm a big Kyron believer. But Kyren is over a full round later. You know, Kyron is being drafted in a place where I think it's borderline inappropriate.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

So I will take Kyron. I'll definitely take the Kyren side because I'll get a bet. Another running back or a better wide receiver.

[Mike Wright]

You know, I think we all think Bucky's being drafted at or above his ceiling, which is too expensive.

[Jason Moore]

He's. Because he's such an exciting player.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that. That's where I was taking. I wasn't. I'm with you. I agree completely. Like if it's equal cost, I want the more exciting, younger explosive a little bit more like unknown to Bucky. Yeah, let's see what he can do there. But I mean, around later means you get an incredible pick in the second round and then you add Kyren. It's just hard to imagine flip flopping that and taking a, you know, another wide receiver in the third and having it feel as good as Kyron. Plus that second round pick.

[Jason Moore]

I agree.

[Mike Wright]

All right. D. Hoke writes in on Instagram. Rather, rather have DK Metcalf or Rashi Rice as a flex.

[Jason Moore]

So those guys are. They're going quite close.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

To each other in on a sleeper. Now on best ball, Rice is going much, much higher than Metcalf. Looking at the underdog ADP, you got Rice at wide receiver 14 and DK down at 27. So that does.

[Mike Wright]

That'll change.

[Jason Moore]

Do you think DK will go higher a little bit?

[Mike Wright]

Not a lot in basketball, but a little bit. Yeah. With the signing.

[Jason Moore]

Because of Rogers.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, with the signing, your ceiling goes up.

[Jason Moore]

With Rogers, I'm guessing that most of the super djems that have been drafting best ball teams over the off season, we're like, Aaron Rodgers is going to be there and they were drafting accordingly. So he'll go up a little bit, but I think he'll cap out probably at like 24.

[Mike Wright]

I think Metcalf has. He's always got the built in possibility of 12 touchdowns, 13 touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he does.

[Mike Wright]

That's definitely going to be possible in Pittsburgh. It's close. I would lean Metcalf Yeah, to me.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean Rushy Rice, I think you brought him up as a wild card, Andy. This is his range of outcomes.

[Jason Moore]

It's very, it's extremely vast.

[Andy Holloway]

But I don't see him. The question is who would you rather have as a flex? Yeah, it's Metcalf. Not because. Because. Because Rushy Rice isn't a flex. Rushy Rice, he's up in my wide receiver to.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, but imagine if he was your flex. That'd be pretty cool.

[Andy Holloway]

That'd be great. I think Rushie Rice is going to be wonderful like every week you start him every week. Consistent, reliable. The number one target for Patrick Mahomes. But he is way riskier than DK Metcalf. DK Metcalf, I feel like is, you know what you're getting? You're getting a wide receiver two or better in DK Metcalf for sure. You're not necessarily with Rushi Rice.

[Mike Wright]

Both have a lot of, you know, wild card potential. When you have new home for Metcalf. New quarterback Arthur Smith always.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

The Arthur bringing his C game.

[Jason Moore]

The Arthur Smith top targets. Kyle just shared this with us. So in 2021, Kyle Pitts was a 20% target share. Thousand yards or it was at the thousand yards.

[Mike Wright]

21 sounds right.

[Jason Moore]

One touchdown. The next two years, Drake London was the target share winner but four touchdowns, two touchdowns. Then this past year was George pickens, but a 26% target share, but three touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I mean that's true but Desmond Ritter and you know, Russell Wilson and I don't know how those quarterbacks don't throw touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. That it's not Arthur Smith stopping them from the touchdown.

[Jason Moore]

Pitts first. Was that Matt Ryan?

[Andy Holloway]

I think his maybe 20, 21 was Matt Ryan.

[Jason Moore]

Let me just double check that. Yeah, that was Matt Ryan.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's. That's fine.

[Jason Moore]

I just, I think they're you. I think DK's floor is actually really low.

[Andy Holloway]

Really?

[Jason Moore]

I do. I think that it could. I think it can be just like George Pickens last year where you spike weeks are always possible.

[Andy Holloway]

George Pickens last year.

[Jason Moore]

No, I didn't love him. I didn't love what I was getting going into it. Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, but then that was. That didn't work.

[Mike Wright]

Metcalfe. I think Metcalf will probably end up being one of the dumbest mistakes people make not taking him.

[Andy Holloway]

I agree.

[Mike Wright]

I think it's just stupid. I mean fifth round for a guy that's going to be soaking up every target in.

[Andy Holloway]

There's no one else to throw the ball to Roman Wilson is like a hope.

[Mike Wright]

You just traded everything for him and.

[Andy Holloway]

Then paid the man and then paid him an insane amount of money.

[Mike Wright]

That one seems so obvious to me.

[Andy Holloway]

I agree. He's very obvious to me as a value in the draft.

[Jason Moore]

He seems so obviously scary to me of like, I really think the floor is incredibly low. Like, man, why did he.

[Mike Wright]

I think he's probably the safest.

[Jason Moore]

He's wide receiver 31 last year in 15 games for Seattle.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

With a better quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

JSN took over and started taking all the targets.

[Jason Moore]

Right. But if you are that good, then JSN is not going to take all the targets.

[Andy Holloway]

JSN is that good.

[Jason Moore]

Maybe. Maybe. But I'm saying DK Mac, with their actions. They did, of course. But they also said.

[Mike Wright]

They said we don't want George Pickens too. Yeah, they said we don't want George Pickens. We want DK Metcalf. We'll pay him everything and we'll grab Aaron Rodgers. It'll be interesting. But this is. This is the type of. Whether it's right or wrong, this is the type of situation that ends up being the, oh, duh situation. There's a handful of these every year that won't move up because of. Yeah, like what you just said. That's in the back of people's heads. DK Metcalf just kind of plateaued in Seattle and like, didn't care that much and missed some games here and there and we'll see. But I'm in Instagram. Get on my Cavill says, when do the Ballers go to three, four and five shows a week on the podcast.

[Andy Holloway]

Great question. Great question. July we go. We kick it up a notch. We go three episodes, then.

[Mike Wright]

Not far away.

[Andy Holloway]

No, that's the next month.

[Jason Moore]

I will say the first week of July won't be because that will be.

[Andy Holloway]

The 4th of July.

[Jason Moore]

4Th of July observance. But July is 3 and then August is 5.

[Mike Wright]

There is all the way through the end of the season.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, there's never technically a main Fantasy Footballers of four.

[Mike Wright]

A what?

[Jason Moore]

Like, we're never at four shows a week, correct?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, three and then to five. And even in the off season, technically, we're kind of like every day because Spitballers is Monday and the main show's Tuesday and then Dynasty's on Wednesday and then the main show's on Thursday and a foot cast is on Thursday. So bonus episode for [e-mail] and then on Friday, the DFS embedding shows back.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, we're everywhere.

[Mike Wright]

She totally cut that down. No, you've. You've always got something to listen to. This question comes in from Raj. Has Zay Flowers reached his ceiling?

[Andy Holloway]

No, he's had, he had four touchdowns last year. Like, you know what I mean? Like if he did exactly what he did last year and he just ends up with the nine. With nine touchdowns, he can't. I don't think he, I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility with Lamar. You just think he will never. So what is his career high when he, when he retires? His career high in touchdowns at 6. I'll take the over on that.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. Yeah. I mean I would have answered the question plainly. Yes. What we've seen from Zay Flowers the past two years has been nearly identical and I think it's exactly what the Ravens want from him in the offense. So to me, he's never going to be a 8 to 10 touchdown guy.

[Jason Moore]

I think it's unlikely. But I'm on Jason's side of I think he is a good enough player.

[Mike Wright]

Quarterback through 40 last year.

[Jason Moore]

I am. I get that part. Freaking Rashad Bateman taking, taking nine touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

In a couple tight ends.

[Jason Moore]

Yep. But Zay Flowers is of the talent level that it wouldn't be surprising to.

[Mike Wright]

Me if he got up to 8 5, 91 75. I think it's not an insult to say a player is doing everything they should be doing for the team. So I think Zay Flowers just probably doesn't profile or will ever profile as a top upper echelon guy because of his stature and routery.

[Andy Holloway]

His size says that he's not going to be the box out in zone threat that the Mark Andrews is around the goal line but simply the fact that he is a very talented jitter bug with a great quarterback and a great offense and touchdowns are very hard to predict. They're not sticky from one year to the next. And guys who aren't prolific touchdown scorers have those outlier seasons where they did get 10 touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

Landry had one. He had one.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly. So that is the. That is the best.

[Mike Wright]

Landry was 5, 4, 4, 46321 and then he had a nine.

[Andy Holloway]

There you go.

[Mike Wright]

So out of a eight year season he had one huge one in Miami.

[Andy Holloway]

And Flowers is a good wide receiver so I think he's capable of doing that. That's not necessarily the obvious path and the target but yeah, I don't think we've. I don't think he's reached his ceiling.

[Mike Wright]

Last year was 116 targets, 74 catches. The year before, 108 and 77. Solid, solid wide receiver, good player. He's only ever had eight red zone targets.

[Jason Moore]

That's wild.

[Mike Wright]

Or last year he had eight red zone targets.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, both.

[Mike Wright]

So at least at this juncture with Bateman and those guys, he hasn't been schemed to be a threat down there. But yeah, you never know. They have Hopkins now too, by the way, and Hopkins is a red zone wide receiver. So to me it's, it's a year away from that outline.

[Andy Holloway]

I keep forgetting about. I keep forgetting they have Hopkins.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, they have. They have Hopkins and Bateman and the two tight ends down in that red zone that are going to do some work. Hopkins, if he can do anything at this stage of his career, he can run a slant. He can run a slant and catch the football. He did it in Kansas City. He did that repeatedly. But yeah, he's almost dead. Greg in Florida. We'll get to his question in just a second. Dynasty question from Greg in Florida. Would you trade CMC away for Omari and Hampton?

[Jason Moore]

Oh man.

[Mike Wright]

If you're a win now team, it's driving me crazy because I want the youth, but I want the title more. And we have been very vocal talking about Hampton might be a year away. I mean the comments from the offense, you know, offensive coordinator in Giro Los Angeles have been how impressed he is with Najee Harris's knowledge of the offense. So that just reinforces a little bit of the two headed monster at a minimum this year.

[Jason Moore]

Man.

[Mike Wright]

I mean your odds of Hampton. I don't think Hampton can have a full on rookie breakout with Najee healthy. That's the truth. I think he could be very good, but I don't think you can have a full on breakout.

[Andy Holloway]

I tend to agree with that. And this is coming from the two of us. Both love Hampton as a prospect. We were more bullish on him than Mike was. I still think I would do this trade if I could trade CMC for Hampton on a dynasty. I get that you want to win the championship, but I don't think you. I don't think that this means you can't win a championship with Amarian Hampton. It's just the value.

[Jason Moore]

It's going to be harder maybe, I think and oh, that is such a brutal decision.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean there's also the world where CMC is not helping you win a title. Yeah, because he's injured again or you know, he's older. So it's Not a guarantee. Keeping CMC does not guarantee you a title.

[Jason Moore]

If you said, but I think it's a higher probability, I would agree.

[Andy Holloway]

I would agree. But the value difference here for Hampton, I would just rather have him on a dynasty roster.

[Jason Moore]

Hard of like Hampton. Hampton's going to be, I think, fantastic for fantasy, you know, in his career where McCaffrey's like, do you have two, two potential years of Christian McCaffrey? Do you have three? I think it's two with the chance of three. So I mean, if you obviously this, you would look back upon this trade to see if you want a loss. Because if you get three years of Christian McCaffrey being still a top five guy, then I think you feel bad that you made the trade for sure.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, the McCaffrey decision making is going to be a tough one for people.

[Jason Moore]

It really, really is.

[Mike Wright]

It can be a huge mistake. It really can. Because. And it doesn't just come through injury, it just comes from change. You know, we did see him. We saw him in four games last year. He was okay. I mean, I know you talk about the breakaway run he got hurt on.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

But the weeks before, I mean, no, he was not. He was never finished as a top 10 running back last year in his four games. And we'll just. I don't know. I don't know what he has and what he doesn't have. It's just a bet on a hardworking former top tier running back that whenever he's been healthy, he's been that guy. Yeah, but that's a 29 to 22 year old.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you're at the end here for Christian McCaffrey. But that's the, the thing for McCaffrey is it's always just been injury. Like you can have guys who have incredible careers where it's, they just had a down year. McCaffrey has never had a down year.

[Mike Wright]

But he will. He has to. Because all players do. It's just a matter of, are you playing the Derek Henry gamble?

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

Like, Henry will too, by the way. Henry will eventually not have a good year. Like that will happen.

[Jason Moore]

But not today.

[Mike Wright]

Probably not today. But like, let me put it this.

[Andy Holloway]

Way for you, the year is 2043.

[Mike Wright]

You're making, you're making the decision. And I think I can make this question simple for you. If you get RB12 from CMC for two straight years, do you take Hampton in the deal? If you, if I told you the next two years, you get the RB12s from CMC, who do you take in the deal.

[Jason Moore]

Man.

[Andy Holloway]

I know.

[Mike Wright]

Jason, you can answer.

[Andy Holloway]

Mine is Hampton for sure.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, so what if you get the RB8 for two straight years? Would you take Hampton or would you take cmc? Because I think this is the. This is the path to the answer. The path to the answer is what's the realistic finish for McCaffrey that makes you happy and how high are the odds that you get it?

[Andy Holloway]

I think what you are saying when you, when you word this question is you're hoping that Christian McCaffrey is a top three back.

[Mike Wright]

That's it.

[Andy Holloway]

You're saying that this is. He's bringing me a championship. If he's not doing that and he's just a good back.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Then I would rather have the seven years in the age gap.

[Mike Wright]

And then how would you handicap top three for McCaffrey this year? Mike might handicap it different, but to me, no matter what those odds are, still the best of the best is still not above 50%.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, above 50%.

[Mike Wright]

Why did I sound like a bird, right?

[Jason Moore]

I don't know, man. I was letting it go.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he's still got as high odds to be a top three back as, I mean, just about anyone. Like if you told me Christian McCaffrey plays 17 games, he's a top three running back. Yeah. I would say he's got the highest odds of everyone like Bijon. I would put Christian McCaffrey there higher if he's playing 17.

[Mike Wright]

Saquon.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, Christian McCaffrey is going to catch a lot more passes.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. All right. I mean, look, it's not going to be the last time we talk about CMC this offseason.

[Jason Moore]

No, it won't.

[Mike Wright]

Sam wants to know, is it bad to have a lot of rookies in a starting lineup in a redraft league?

[Jason Moore]

No, no.

[Andy Holloway]

That was pretty easy.

[Mike Wright]

On average, wide receiver wise, four rookie wide receivers finished in the top 36 every year. Two rookie running backs finishing the top 24 every year. So your odds are not high that you're going to hit on all of them. And the pathway for rookies can be bumpy. It can be an onboarding. Right. You can have the first six weeks not look great. You know, Caleb Johnson, when does he come on? Maybe Judkins gets it going from the beginning. Maybe not maybe. Maybe Hampton's a second half guy. That's kind of the tough part of starting them week one. But if you did it with Bowers last year, you were happy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And he went late in draft and.

[Jason Moore]

Even Brian Thomas like he, you had in that first half you had a top eight wide receiver, nine, wide receiver four. But you had a lot of bumps in there, so. And the fact of will there be a Brian Thomas lad McConkey breakout this year at the wide receiver position? And that feels less likely than last year.

[Mike Wright]

We have a couple of questions that I already can already smell the discussions. Instagram question from Tim. Garrett Wilson OR Marvin Harrison Jr. Mike, you were observing Marv's triceps earlier this week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Have you seen him?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. He looks strong but gracious. The lighting was also better. The lighting was a lot better.

[Andy Holloway]

There's some Photoshop in that. There was. There was. That was not human meat. That photo was.

[Mike Wright]

I mean he looked strong and he did work out. I mean, you look at him in the interviews, he looks bigger.

[Jason Moore]

He is obviously the. In that particular photo things are maximized the best they could. I'm sure he went and got a pump. I would did some curls and some tricep work.

[Mike Wright]

I'd rather have Marvin for the chance of being a little bit higher ceiling than where Garrett is with the current Justin Fields universe. I mean, we've kind of been like we may be heading down the Garrett Wilson path with Marv where we're just disappointed year after year, but that's been the Garrett Wilson experience minus maybe. I mean, last year. Even last year was frustrating too. Like he finished at nine, but that doesn't tell the story of having him. It was because you had all these dis. I mean in the last eight weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

Of the year, once Devonte Adams, once Adams took over.

[Jason Moore]

But before that it was awesome.

[Mike Wright]

Except for the first four weeks when you were still a little bit disappointed. So he had like a fire run of five straight weeks, but the ride wasn't very great.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm on the Marv side here for the exact thing you laid out. Just the chance at something great. I don't think Garrett Wilson can be great with Justin Fields. That's just how I see it.

[Mike Wright]

But I don't either.

[Jason Moore]

I don't understand that.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you making the DJ Moore?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, like we saw it. There was a player who had never been great who was said he will never be great. He can't be great with Justin Fields. And then he was.

[Andy Holloway]

There were a ton of breakaway touchdowns on that. And so, I mean, that year he.

[Mike Wright]

Threw for 2,500 yards. So that's the thing is Kyler can throw for 4,200, 4,300 yards. Justin Fields Peak season in New York this year is 3,000 yards that math alone is creating a touchdown dependency for Garrett Wilson. That frightens me.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, they're really close in my rankings so I don't, I don't have a strong lean one way or the other. If I'm on the clock between the two of them I probably would take Wilson.

[Mike Wright]

What is Tettero and McMillan ceiling as a rookie? Instagram question from Rick There have been, there have been some, a little bit of, you know, puff piece hype news on Tetaro and McMillan in camp and just how dominant he looks. So we have him ranked as consensus 29 right now which I think we're, we're leaving some room to move him. He's 34 in redraft but he's 22 in best ball because he does have, you know, he's got big week to week potential. What's his true ceiling as a rookie? Could he finish as the wide top 12 wide receiver?

[Jason Moore]

No, not a top 12 I don't think but I think he can make it into the top 24. Maybe in the top 20 he is wide receiver 22 for best ball. That's, it's a little rich. I totally understand it. And he, I don't think he'll go that high. You know the sleeper ADP right now has him as the wide receiver 34 in home leagues which this, that is fantastic. That is a, that is the exact rookie profile that I want to go after of gives me margin that I already have. The guys, this isn't drafting Marv and saying well this is my wide receiver too. We're going to ride. It's like no, I mean he could be my wide receiver four with the potential to end up as a top 24 guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think his ceiling is probably around wide receiver 15. He's, he profiles as the go up for the ball in the end zone and get the big touchdowns. The issue here is does Bryce Young level up? Because if he doesn't then you know it's the, it's the same thing with Justin Fields where you're saying well if, if Bryce Young goes out there and throws 18 touchdowns, you're not having a top 15 wide receiver season. But we did see, you know we, we saw Adam Thielen with Bryce Young his rookie year be hyper targeted and be the number one for an offense where it's just like it was working. I mean we played Adam Thielen like every single week. If, if tmac comes out and just is that number one target from the get go he could surprise and be I think pretty Valuable. He's a good player.

[Mike Wright]

Low battery writes in on Instagram. Our last question here. Is there a chance Jaden Boot, Jaden Blue takes over as takes over the Cowboys backfield.

[Jason Moore]

Very low, very low odds of taking over.

[Mike Wright]

You know who we have not talked about that should be talked about. If you, if you want to fade Javante because of life history.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

And you want to fade Miles Sanders because been there, done that and Jaden Blues too small. Nobody talks about Phil Mafa.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

Who they drafted, who came out of Clemson. So he played at a competitive school, who was a 12, you know, 11, 1200 yard guy and you know, profiles to have that potential. To me, I mean he had 13 touchdowns as a junior, eight as a, as a senior.

[Andy Holloway]

It's just because he, he was a seventh round pick. They took Jaden Blue in the fourth.

[Mike Wright]

And sometimes you do that though. You know, the Shipleys of the world get drafted earlier than the bangers. I, you know, it's just, it's a wide open backfield is my point.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, it is.

[Mike Wright]

And if you're going to mention Blue to me, I feel like he's at least worth throwing out.

[Andy Holloway]

Jaden Blue is someone that you definitely can see a path for him becoming fantasy relevant, becoming that pass catcher, that more explosive guy that has juice that Javante and Miles Sanders don't have. The issue about him taking over the backfield because he is an undersized guy. He's 5, 9, 200. You don't see him as a 300 opportunity player, as a day three draft pick. Undersized. That's just not.

[Mike Wright]

He caught a ton of passes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And so that's, that's kind of my expectation. If, if he becomes fantasy relevant it's because he's playing that third down role. He's getting a bunch of check downs. You know, in a PPR league he's someone you might be able to start. But I don't see a, a ceiling case for him really taking over and becoming the lead back for sure.

[Mike Wright]

The toughest part is Blue's going to be on that roster and those other two guys are most likely going to be on the roster. So Mafa is going to have to fight to make it.

[Jason Moore]

Miles could be gone.

[Mike Wright]

I guess Miles could get cut.

[Jason Moore]

I have a memory of his contract being.

[Mike Wright]

Rico was undrafted.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. It took him a long time though. It took him many, many years of proving himself. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So the, and they still have Deuce Vaughn, don't they?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's probably still there.

[Mike Wright]

I don't think they do Vaughn on the.

[Jason Moore]

The.

[Mike Wright]

Couldn't tell if he's in the room.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. The miles he count like, towards the roster.

[Mike Wright]

Half a roster spot. Okay. That's just. You mean the dude is fine and Jason started that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

The Miles Sanders guaranteed money is 167 thousands dollars.

[Mike Wright]

If you took that approach on height, we'd have half a producer back there.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that's a good point.

[Mike Wright]

You know what I mean? We don't do that kind of thing.

[Jason Moore]

We would never.

[Mike Wright]

We would never do that. Probably good time to end the show. We got early breakout sleepers, busts and values coming up on some episodes of the show very, very soon. Underrated. Overrated. We're going to do that as well.

[Andy Holloway]

And don't forget, roster spots were based on total team weight.

[Mike Wright]

I knew you were going to say that. I knew.

[Andy Holloway]

You know what I mean? Like, you get 10,000 pounds of meat.

[Mike Wright]

10,000 pounds of roster.

[Andy Holloway]

10,000 pounds of roster.

[Mike Wright]

So do you weigh in like you.

[Jason Moore]

Have to weigh in every Sunday?

[Andy Holloway]

For sure.

[Mike Wright]

You have a weigh in for ufc. Yeah, exactly. And so if you're overweight.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

You either got to cut or cut a player.

[Andy Holloway]

I like this new idea.

[Mike Wright]

So you get every team's roster. It's not players, it's weight.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

It's Greatest idea you've ever had.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you, man. So you want to be very.

[Mike Wright]

You got a huge O line. You're probably a. You got a couple less special teamers on the roster.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Even the playing field.

[Mike Wright]

All right, well, on.

[Jason Moore]

We're done.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye, everybody. We will be back very soon. Thursday episode and a footcast. Check out the Dynasty show tomorrow.

[Jason Moore]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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