NFL Draft Breakdown: NFC Winners & Losers

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary
Episode: NFL Draft Breakdown: NFC Winners & Losers
Release Date: April 30, 2019

The Fantasy Footballers delve deep into the intricacies of the NFL Draft, specifically analyzing the NFC teams to identify the biggest winners and losers. Hosted by Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright, this episode provides comprehensive insights tailored for fantasy football enthusiasts.

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1. Announcements

People's Fantasy Tour

• Hosts Announcement: Jason Moore enthusiastically announces the People's Fantasy Tour, a live podcast series sponsored by PristineAuction.com, scheduled for June, July, and August.

  “We’ve teased it a little bit, but we’re very excited to announce the People's Fantasy Tour...” – [03:08]

• Tour Locations:

  • Chicago at Thalia Hall
  • New York City at Gramercy Theater
  • San Francisco at The Independent
  • Los Angeles at Largo
  • Phoenix at Crescent Ballroom

• Charitable Partnership: The tour partners with St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, offering limited VIP tickets that include meet-and-greets, preferred seating, and exclusive tour posters.

  “We have partnered with St. Jude Children's Research Hospital on the entire tour...” – [04:12]

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2. News Highlights

Tyreek Hill’s Situation

• Investigation Reopened: Tyreek Hill faces scrutiny with his case being reopened. He is not participating in team activities and may be placed on the commissioner's exempt list.

  “The case has been reopened against Tyreek Hill...” – [06:22]

• Future Prospects:

  • Jason Moore: Assigns a 5% chance of Hill playing again, not with the Chiefs.

    “I would say it’s about 5% and not with the Chiefs again.” – [07:07]

  • Andy Holloway: Believes a 50% chance Hill plays again but not for the Chiefs.

    “I think it's a 50% chance that he plays again, but it won't be for the Chiefs.” – [07:07]

Seattle Seahawks’ Doug Baldwin

• Potential Retirement: Reports suggest Doug Baldwin may retire, affecting the Seahawks’ wide receiver lineup as they draft additional receivers.

  “There’s a real chance that Doug Baldwin will be unable to continue playing.” – [07:19]

Sebastian Janikowski’s Retirement

• Long Career Conclusion: Legendary punter Sebastian Janikowski retires after an 18-year career, leaving Tom Brady as the last remaining active player from his draft class.

  “Tom Brady has outlasted them all.” – [08:59]

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3. NFC Draft Breakdown

A. NFC West

Arizona Cardinals

• Big Winner:

  • Kyler Murray (QB): Drafted first overall, providing a rejuvenating boost to the Cardinals’ offense.

    “They gave Cliff Kingsbury the guy you wanted, and then you gave him a ton of weapons.” – [11:16]

  • Wide Receivers: Andy Isabella, Hakeem Butler, and Keyshawn Johnson add depth and explosive potential.

    “Andy Isabella ran a 4.31-fastest wide receiver. Hakeem Butler is a dynamic outside playmaker.” – [12:07]

• Big Loser:

  • Christian Kirk: With multiple receivers drafted, Kirk’s role may be diminished, lowering his fantasy ceiling.

    “You have to downgrade Christian Kirk at least what his ceiling could be.” – [12:28]

  • Trade Impact: The trade of Josh Rosen for Andy Isabella and additional picks may adversely affect other players like Larry Fitzgerald.

    “They traded Josh Rosen for Andy Isabella.” – [11:34]

Los Angeles Rams

• Big Winner:

  • Darrell Henderson (RB): Selected strategically to support Todd Gurley’s potential comeback.

    “Darrell Henderson out of Memphis. And if you are a Todd Gurley owner, it is impossible not to call this a loss.” – [16:02]

• Big Loser:

  • Todd Gurley (RB): Uncertainty about Gurley’s health and role poses risks for fantasy managers.

    “I think Gurley's at seven in my dynasty running back rankings.” – [17:53]

San Francisco 49ers

• Big Winners:

  • Deebo Samuel (WR): High upside as a versatile and explosive receiver.

  • Jalen Hurd (WR): Potential to develop in a dynamic offense.

    “Debo Samuel is a good wide out. We neglected him in our rookie show.” – [20:04]

• Potential Concerns:

  • Dante Pettis: Drafting multiple receivers could dilute Pettis’s opportunities.

    “This is a negative for Dante Pettis.” – [22:44]

Seattle Seahawks

• Big Winners:

  • DK Metcalf (WR): High touchdown upside as a deep threat compatible with Russell Wilson.

    “...he’s a deep threat, an amazing talent.” – [25:25]

  • Gary Jennings Jr. (WR): Adds versatility and potential in the passing game.

• Big Losers:

  • Malcolm Brown (RB): Drafted as a handcuff but may not offer significant fantasy value.

    “Malcolm Brown, big loser if he was the perceived handcuff.” – [16:02]

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B. NFC East

Dallas Cowboys

• Big Winners:

  • Michael Gallup (WR): Maintains strong relevance alongside Amari Cooper and Randall Cobb.

  • Randall Cobb (WR): Continues to be a reliable target.

    “Winners are Michael Gallup and Randall Cobb.” – [29:27]

• Potential Pitfalls:

  • Tony Pollard (RB): Drafted as a specialty kick returner, lacking substantial fantasy upside.

    “He’s going to immediately be our starting kick.” – [30:05]

New York Giants

• Key Picks:

  • Daniel Jones (QB): Uncertainty about his immediate impact and team’s offensive stability.

    “Daniel Jones goes number six.” – [30:35]

  • Sterling Shepard (WR): Continues to be a reliable receiver without significant competition.

    “Sterling Shepard is a winner from the draft.” – [31:57]

• Big Loser:

  • Eli Manning: Re-signing issues and potential trade considerations diminish his fantasy relevance.

    “He is a loser in this draft as well.” – [32:53]

Philadelphia Eagles

• Big Winners:

  • Miles Sanders (RB): Acquired in the second round, poised to become a three-down back.

  • JJ Orcega (WR): Enhances Carson Wentz’s receiving options, solidifying Wentz as a fantasy asset.

    “Miles Sanders lands in a pretty good home.” – [35:09]

• Potential Concerns:

  • Jordan Howard (RB): Current role uncertainty; may steal touchdowns, impacting Miles Sanders’ value.

    “I think it’s going to suck because Miles Sanders, I think will see a lot of work.” – [35:31]

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C. Other NFC Teams

Washington Redskins

• Big Losers:

  • Dwayne Haskins (QB): Questionable performance and team’s quarterback instability.

  • Chris Thompson (RB): Limited fantasy impact due to his injury status.

    “This offense is going to struggle.” – [38:07]

• Potential Positives:

  • Tony Pollard (RB): Drafted as a kick return specialist, though limited fantasy value.

Chicago Bears

• Big Winner:

  • David Montgomery (RB): High usage as the main back, potentially yielding significant fantasy points.

    “David Montgomery has 250 touches and is the main.” – [41:07]

• Big Losers:

  • Mike Davis & Malcolm Brown (RBs): Limited roles and fantasy relevance.

    “Mike Davis, that was fun.” – [41:08]

Minnesota Vikings

• Big Winners:

  • Kirk Cousins (QB): Solidified as a fantasy quarterback with additional offensive support.
  • Irv Smith Jr. (TE): Promises higher fantasy value as a targeted tight end.

• Potential Positives:

  • Alexander Madison (RB): Serves as a reliable handcuff for Dalvin Cook, ensuring RB depth.

    “If I have Dalvin Cook, who is shown himself very prone to getting hurt, Alexander Madison would be a primary target.” – [48:44]

Atlanta Falcons

• Big Winners:

  • Matt Ryan (QB): Enhanced by a stronger offensive line and additional running back depth.

  • Devonta Freeman (RB): Secured as a three-down back, offering versatility.

    “They are fine there. I think the offense is better.” – [50:32]

• Potential Concerns:

  • Ito Smith (RB): Inconsistent performance last season raises questions about his fantasy reliability.

    “He could be okay, but I know he's your guy.” – [51:47]

Carolina Panthers

• Big Winners:

  • DJ Moore (WR) & Curtis Samuel (WR): Both young and explosive, offering substantial fantasy upside.

    “DJ Moore is 22 years old. So they've got two super young studs.” – [53:04]

• Potential Losers:

  • Elijah Holyfield (RB): Despite his pedigree, his role remains uncertain.

    “Keep your fist yourself, man. Just be a running back.” – [53:51]

New Orleans Saints

• Big Winners:

  • Trayvon Smith (RB): Expected to secure a significant role in the backfield.

  • Tranquan White (WR): Adds depth to the Saints’ receiving corps.

    “They need to have insurance for their injured running backs.” – [37:06]

• Potential Concerns:

  • Eric McCoy (C, drafted as Center): While necessary, his immediate fantasy impact is limited.

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4. Notable Quotes

• Jason Moore on Arizona Cardinals:
  “Bigest winner, Me. Yeah. Arizona fans are excited.” – [10:04]

• Andy Holloway on Christian Kirk:
  “He’s a winner and a loser because you’re right, his ceiling is what it was, but his draft cost is going to be nothing.” – [13:27]

• Christian Kirk on DK Metcalf:
  “He’s a deep threat, an amazing talent.” – [25:25]

• Jason Moore on Philadelphia Eagles’ Miles Sanders:
  “Miles Sanders could have earned himself a very strong three down role.” – [35:31]

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5. Conclusion

The episode wraps up with a brief promotion for PristineAuction.com's deal of the day, featuring a signed Dante Pettis jersey for $36.85, emphasizing the podcast's commitment to providing valuable fantasy football assets.

“Spend 36 bucks on a signed jersey.” – [57:25]

Additionally, listeners are reminded to participate in giveaways and attend the upcoming live tour to engage directly with the hosts.

“Remember to check out ballerslive.com go get tickets to come see this show live.” – [58:09]

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Key Takeaways

• Strategic Drafting: Emphasis on understanding team needs and future projections to identify fantasy football winners and losers.

• Player Evaluation: Detailed analysis of rookies and veterans, assessing their potential impact based on team dynamics and individual performances.

• Fantasy Implications: Insights on how team decisions influence player values in various fantasy football formats, especially dynasty leagues.

• Community Engagement: Promotions highlight the podcast’s dedication to fostering a strong fantasy football community through live events and exclusive deals.

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For fantasy football enthusiasts seeking expert analysis and actionable advice, this episode of the Fantasy Footballers offers a wealth of information to enhance your draft strategy and team management.

Transcript

[Christian Kirk]

This is Christian Kirk with the Arizona Cardinals, and you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from pristineauction.com studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome in. So happy to be here, joined by Jason and Mike. I'm Andy Holloway and this is the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you Tuesday, April 30th. So much to talk about. So exciting. The times are, the times are very exciting, Mike.

[Christian Kirk]

We could do an old whole show and not even talk about football.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you're still riding high on Game of Thrones.

[Christian Kirk]

Oh, not just Thrones, Avengers. Everything.

[Jason Moore]

NFL draft.

[Christian Kirk]

Everything is everything.

[Andy Holloway]

Life is very good right now.

[Christian Kirk]

I really have nothing to look forward to anymore.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I, that goes for you, maybe, but not our listeners, not the UDK supporters. The rookie and dynasty rankings. The rookie and dynasty rankings are in the ultimate draft kit right now. As promised. We've had time to digest all of the happenings from Thursday, Friday, Saturday, the NFL draft, the fantasy football implications. I'm so excited to talk about winners and losers today. We're talking through the NFC teams and when I say winners or losers, it's not just, it's really not even talking about necessarily which rookies went where, but which rookies affect other players on these teams. There were some big time winners based on, you know, competition not being drafted right for where they line up.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I mean, I was holding my breath the entire draft every time Oakland was on because, you know, I just had a dynasty startup and draft Derek Carr. His whole career can change in the blink of an eye. You know, is, is he.

[Christian Kirk]

I like that he goes to Derek Carr. Meanwhile, Damian Williams skyrockets to a top 10.

[Jason Moore]

Meanwhile, Darrell Henderson drafted directly behind Ty Gurley. So much to talk about, but I get what you're saying because if Dwayne Ha is drafted by Oakland, Derek Carr's career is done by way of fantasy starter Ville. Probably so.

[Christian Kirk]

Eloquent.

[Jason Moore]

Eloquent, yes. I'm just, I'm hyped. I'm ready to go. And there's, there's a lot of news to cover on today's show as well, so.

[Christian Kirk]

Oh, there's news.

[Jason Moore]

So stay tuned. Do not miss it. We also want to kick things off with a big, big, big announcement. And nothing says big announcement like a bugle horn. Jason, is.

[Christian Kirk]

Do you have the flute from Willy Wonka? Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Assemble.

[Jason Moore]

Listen, we are, we've teased it a little bit, but we're very excited to announce the People's Fantasy Tour.

[Christian Kirk]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Presented by Pristine auction. We are coming live. This is a live podcast tour. We did it last year for the first time. We're coming coast to coast this June, July and August. And I'm just speaking for myself, I don't know about these guys, but this is the most fun you can possibly have.

[Andy Holloway]

I hated it. I mean, this was.

[Jason Moore]

Honestly, it's such a cool chance to meet everybody out there that has made the fantasy footballers a part of your day for years. And we meet hundreds of people on this tour. We do meet and greets. We hang out for as long as possible at each venue because it's what it's all about, the people. That's what makes fantasy football great. We are, like I said, we're hitting the road June, July and August. Here's where we're gonna be. We're gonna be in Chicago. Chicago, yeah. At Thalia Hall.

[Christian Kirk]

Thalia.

[Jason Moore]

Thalia Hall.

[Andy Holloway]

Kicking off the tour.

[Jason Moore]

We'll be in New York City at Gramercy Theater. We'll be in San Francisco at the independent, will be in Los Angeles at Largo. And we'll be back here in Phoenix at the Crescent Ballroom once again. And you can head right now to ballerslive.com and you can get more information about the live tour. We would love to see you out there. We've got some really cool things going on with this tour. And if you get in there right now, you're part of the exclusive presale lottery before tickets go to general on sale. And we're really, really excited about this next super duper. We have partnered with St. Jude Children's Research Hospital on the entire tour. And what we're actually doing is we're making available a very limited amount of VIP tickets. All the VIP ticket options go directly to support the kids of St. Jude. VIP VIP tickets include a meet and greet, preferred seating at the tour, and you get assigned limited edition tour poster.

[Christian Kirk]

Oh, Jason's got the shirt on.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. If you are on YouTube, you can see some of the tour art and you can enter that [e-mail] so this is a cool chance to hang out. It's a cool chance to support a great cause of St. Jude. And I couldn't be more excited about what's going on. So hopefully we see you in Chicago, New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Phoenix, all of them.

[Andy Holloway]

We hope that when you're listening, you start making your plans.

[Jason Moore]

You can buy tickets to all five.

[Andy Holloway]

City tour across the country.

[Christian Kirk]

If somebody shows up to all five, I'll give you a Medal.

[Andy Holloway]

That's fair.

[Christian Kirk]

I'll figure it out. I'll get you some kind of medal.

[Jason Moore]

Mike is forging metal medallions for our listeners. So that's what's going on. Make sure you check it out.

[Christian Kirk]

I mean, a button. By a button, I mean, like one.

[Jason Moore]

Of those was sticker. It's a sticker.

[Andy Holloway]

It's.

[Christian Kirk]

It's a dog sticker. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Ballerslive.com just to remind you. Let's get into the news.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league presented by Slee.

[Jason Moore]

See, that was so exciting to see.

[Christian Kirk]

Oh, we were riding high for a bit.

[Jason Moore]

Now we got to talk about Tyreek Hill.

[Christian Kirk]

Let's quickly.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Audio has been released. The case has been reopened against Tyreek Hill. He's not partaking in any team activities. And essentially we got word this morning via Sleeper that it's very likely he's added to the commissioner's exempt list very soon as this investigation proceeds.

[Andy Holloway]

And we always talk about, you know, when you don't know what a team's going to do, look at what their actual transactions are. And obviously in the draft, their first pick, the Kansas City Chiefs, first pick, they went and drafted a Tyree Kill comparable style of player, saying that, you know, that could be an indication that they do not expect to keep him.

[Jason Moore]

Well, and people want our opinion on this ever since the news broke. Give me a percentage chance you think Tyreek Hill plays football again. I would say it's about 5% and not with the Chiefs again.

[Christian Kirk]

I'll go maybe 5 to 10% this year. I'm going 0%.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I think it's a 50% chance that he plays again, but it won't be for the Chiefs. I think he'll get cut. He'll be on the exempt list. He'll be gone for a couple of years and then some team will take a gamble and a risk. And you know, I know, but we've seen it too many times. These, these teams when there's a young, talented player. I mean, it's a shame.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. It just, it stinks. It stinks. Ultimately for Tyree killed the person what his decision making and then those impacted the victims of this situation, his girlfriend, the child. We're just prayerful that, you know, they're in a safe situation. ESPN's Adam Schefter reports there's a real chance that Doug Baldwin will be unable to continue playing. And Seattle Seahawks agree by drafting two wide receivers.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, all the jokes we've been making over the last month or two, when.

[Christian Kirk]

You Weren't supposed to do this.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. They feel worse now. We're like, he's, he's, he's going to be a machine.

[Christian Kirk]

We joked because he was going to come back, play football. And this.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's not looking likely. So we'll talk through the wide receiver situation a little bit on the show today with the NFC winners and losers from the draft. There won't be an announcement soon because there are salary cap ramifications. And they said that Doug Baldwin himself will make that announcement, not the team, if he decides to retire. We know he's undergone multiple surgeries this offseason. It's not looking good. And the big man, the big lefty, Sebastian Cbass, he has retired Seabass swimming off into the night.

[Andy Holloway]

That means there's only one player left from that draft class.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, really?

[Andy Holloway]

In the NFL.

[Jason Moore]

Is that Tom Brady? It is.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure is. Tom Brady has outlasted them all.

[Jason Moore]

Wow. And this is a 18 year retirement for Sebastian Janikowski. So a reminder, that was today's news notes brought to you by the Sleeper app. Ask your commissioner to move over to Sleeper. Great platform for your dynasty. League always improving. Guys, let's get into it.

[Andy Holloway]

We're going to win.

[Christian Kirk]

We're going to win.

[Jason Moore]

All right. NFC winners and losers. We're starting in the NFC West. Brooks, strategically weird, rearranged our show docs this week so that we had the opportunity to start with the nfc. And then I look in in our doc and we're starting with the NFC West. And then I say, wow, we're going to start with the Arizona Cardinals in the NFC West.

[Christian Kirk]

Deal with it.

[Jason Moore]

Pure coincidence because they had the number one pick. They had the number one pick.

[Christian Kirk]

There you go.

[Jason Moore]

And biggest winner, Me. Yeah. Arizona fans are excited. And this was for Arizona fans, for fantasy fans, this is a good draft. This is a draft that means that the players, the incumbents, the existing players on this roster, David Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, these were players that last year was rough sledding. Bad offensive minds, bad personnel problems. Josh Rosen was traded. Kyler Murray goes number one overall. They invest two high capital picks on wide receivers. They draft three wide receivers overall. Andy Isabella, Hakeem Butler, who was, if you remember, the wide receiver show, one of my favorites. And then Keyshawn Johnson. Guys, you gave yourself a brand new quarterback. You gave Cliff Kingsbury the guy you wanted, and then you gave him a ton of weapons. In this draft. Andy Isabella ran a 4,31-fastest wide receiver. Hakeem Butler is a dynamic outside playmaker. Winners and losers from this draft, I think all the offensive players and Cardinals fantasy fans and Cardinals fans in general were winners.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think David Johnson is a huge winner here. You've got, you've got a new offensive mind coming in and clearly the team said we want to get playmakers, we want to get people that could bust things open, keep the chains moving. And while it's not going to be all roses this year, you know, I've got them down for a good five wins.

[Jason Moore]

It will be no roses.

[Andy Holloway]

It will be no Rosens either. Who is, you might say a big loser in this, in this situation.

[Jason Moore]

Basically, they traded Josh Rosen for Andy Isabella.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. And they traded a second fifth rounder next year.

[Christian Kirk]

Oh, man.

[Andy Holloway]

But I mean, this is good news for David Johnson. Things will open up for him. You know, we've, we've talked about in the past rushing quarterbacks a lot of times open things up for the running back. So I mean, David Johnson should be, you know, one of those top picks in the beginning of the first.

[Jason Moore]

How do you feel about Christian Kirk? Christian Kirk had a, an okay rookie season, got hurt. Larry Fitzgerald, Christian Kirk really the only two threats on that offense before this draft and then you bring in Isabella, Butler and Johnson is would you classify Christian Kirk as a loser of this draft or a winner because of the Kyler Murray selection and the offense?

[Christian Kirk]

You'd have to call him a loser from the fact that like feel so mean. I know, but just fantasy wise. And that's because the air raid system now has the weapons that it needs to actually succeed. It's not force feed these two guys because they're the only two capable wide receivers on the team. So I think you have to downgrade Christian Kirk at least what his ceiling could be. Because I, both Isabella and Hakeem Butler, at least in my breakdown, are alpha level players. Like these are guys that could be number ones on their team. Hakeem Butler, six five over 220. I mean he's a, he's a beast of a man. And so you, you can't say that Kirk is for sure going to be the number one guy. It's a brand new system, it's a brand new quarterback. So he's, he's pretty much at the ground floor with the other wide receivers.

[Andy Holloway]

I will say this, he's a winner and a loser because you're right, his ceiling is what it was, but his draft cost is going to be nothing. Now. Whenever a team comes in and drafts three rookie wide receivers, you're not going to say, oh, Christian Kirk's the one. But there's a good chance this year that Christian Kirk is the one as the, you know, the only veteran under the age of 34 on the roster.

[Jason Moore]

Are there similarities to, like, how you view Geronimo Allison last year with the three incumbent rookies in Green Bay and how you might view Christian Kirk this year and the three rookies coming in in Arizona?

[Christian Kirk]

I think it's a fair, fair point because, I mean, it's, it's, I guess, a little bit different where we hadn't.

[Jason Moore]

We haven't seen Murray and Kirk together. Right?

[Christian Kirk]

Well, you hadn't seen a lot in college from Geronimo, so it was Kim coming into the situation. It felt like the rookies could easily overtake him even. And then he, in my opinion, took the job. So Kirk is a little bit more established is what I'm saying, than Allison was in that scenario.

[Jason Moore]

All right, before we move on to the Rams, I will say this. We kind of come at it from three angles with Arizona. We have our own personal fandom. Just being born and raised out here, Cardinal fans, my own personal fandom has not been a Josh Rosen fan. I wasn't happy that we drafted him. You've heard me talk about it on the show. Then you have the fantasy perspective. Right. And fantasy wise, I wasn't a Josh Rosen fan, but as a person, he impressed me through this situation. People don't know this. I thought I'd mention it. After the trade, he was sent to the Dolphins. After he was traded, he still stayed out here in Phoenix, participated in the charity event for Larry Fitzgerald softball game and the fans out here gave him a round of applause as he left, posted a really kind of funny, nice, respectful, classy video and he was not complaining through this whole thing. I hope he has success in Miami. I really do.

[Christian Kirk]

He. I think this could be one of those win, win wins for Rosen where he doesn't have to come in now. Week one, like it's fits magic down there and Miami's got a plan. They're going to trust the process and Rosen can spend a little bit more time.

[Jason Moore]

You don't think Rosen ends up week one starter?

[Christian Kirk]

No, I do not.

[Jason Moore]

You think Jason?

[Andy Holloway]

I think he will. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. All right, let's move on to the Rams. There is one big storyline to talk about with Los Angeles in their draft. Obviously, we're focusing on offensive players. Jason knows what it is and that would be the fact that the Los Angeles Rams traded up to pick up.

[Christian Kirk]

At the very beginning of the third.

[Jason Moore]

Round at the top of the third.

[Andy Holloway]

Round, really good player.

[Jason Moore]

One of Mike and I's, I think favorite running back in the draft, Darrell Henderson out of Memphis. And if you are a Todd Gurley owner, it is impossible not to call this a loss. A loser situation for Todd Gurley coming out of the draft. Obviously Malcolm Brown, big loser if he was the perceived handcuff. But Todd Gurley, this is some high draft capital insurance for an MVP level running back. How do you feel being, you know, you have Gurley in our dynasty league, Jason.

[Christian Kirk]

Yes. Please talk about that.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, I feel negative about it. The reality is, you know, we just.

[Jason Moore]

Say, please talk about it.

[Andy Holloway]

You don't, you don't want to follow coach speak. Coach saying all the great things about getting Gurley the ball. What you want to follow is transactions. What is the team doing with their money, with their capital, with their draft picks. And what they chose to do was bring back the backup Malcolm Brown and then trade up for a third rounder and grab another running back because they are going to probably Batman and Robin. This.

[Christian Kirk]

Let me, let me set that table a little bit more for you. They brought back Malcolm Brown. They matched an offer that he went out and was desired by another team. And the Rams said, no, we can't possibly lose you. They traded up in the third round. This was only their second pick in the draft. So this, it's not like it was their third pick.

[Jason Moore]

They are really twisted.

[Christian Kirk]

They already addressed some needs. They had a big need. Apparently that was a running back.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, don't say big knee, because big knee, that's a different thing. Here's the thing. We, we just put up our dynasty rankings, our rookie rankings. It is very difficult no matter what side of the fence you, you are on with Gurley's health. It's super difficult to rank him in dynasty formats right now.

[Christian Kirk]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Because you just don't know what's true and what's false. I was staring down, you know, and maybe you know more now or maybe they're just insuring themselves with a more dynamic player, a pass catcher and Henderson in case Gurley goes down.

[Andy Holloway]

I was staring down Todd Gurley and Joe Mixon in my dynasty rankings, just going, can I really move Gurley below Mixon? And I couldn't do it, but I know, Andy, you did do it.

[Jason Moore]

It was. I think Gurley's at seven in my dynasty running back rankings and there is a difference. So, fantasy owners, here's the two scenarios that I see for Todd Gurley. You guys tell me if you agree. Scenario One is that Todd Gurley isn't back to full health and won't get back to full health and will play a platoon role. The other situation is simply that Todd Gurley is now a higher injury risk in general but is back to full health, will be the lead dog and they needed to invest in a running back because of the risk.

[Christian Kirk]

I lean that direction that he will be back. He will be back to who he was.

[Jason Moore]

But millions of dollars in the wallets of their owners. But hope that's true.

[Christian Kirk]

What's crazy about that for fantasy and this I'm talking redraft. When you're sitting there at pick number three and Todd Gurley is there and you actually have hesitance about drafting him and I. I won't blame you at all. That's going to be a very difficult thing to call your shot, say, yep, Todd Gurley's fine. He's going to get all those goal line carries yet again. Especially when they added Darrell Henderson. He's people. Darrell Henderson is really, really good.

[Jason Moore]

Please draft as late as you can in a redraft league. If there was ever a situation where you need more information for as long as you can, this is it. Existing receiving corps wasn't affected. They didn't take any wide outs in this draft. Didn't need to. No, they don't. Cooper Cop coming back? Robert was Brandon Cooks. All right, let's move on to the 49ers. The 49ers spent the first pick on Nick Bosa and then went wide receiver, wide receiver in the second and third rounds, top of each round on Debo Samuel. And then. Yeah, Debo Samuel, Jalen Hurd, those are.

[Andy Holloway]

Two really good wide receivers.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Andy Holloway]

Keep in mind, Debo Samuel was the third wide receiver taken in the draft. They could have. They had their pick of just about anyone out there and they saw what a lot of people say see, which is Debo is a great player. I mean, that's more draft capital spent here than what they spent on Dante Pettis. So the question is, is this negative for Dante Pettis?

[Jason Moore]

It's negative for Marquis Goodwin.

[Andy Holloway]

Certainly.

[Jason Moore]

Marquis Goodwin is agreed has gone from fringe relevance to probably irrelevance at this point. Debo Samuel is a good wide out. We neglected him in our rookie show. He was in our show, Doc. We just.

[Andy Holloway]

Time.

[Jason Moore]

Time we ended up, I think, talking about Isabella at the end. Didn't talk about Debo. A lot of people projected Debo to go well below guys like DK Metcalf that went way after him. But I know he's, he's a favorite of many. Jalen Hurd is much. He played in the slot a ton in college. He also played running back, only played one year at wide receiver. There's a, there's some opinion that I've read about Herd being used in a kind of Cordero Patterson type of role in this offense.

[Christian Kirk]

So kick returner.

[Jason Moore]

Well, no, no, I mean gadget player.

[Christian Kirk]

I mean we're talking. It's just funny when I hear people use that comp, you're like, well, it did not work out very well for Corduroy.

[Jason Moore]

No, I'm not talking early career Cordero, all right. I'm talking about last year with the Patriots where he had the opportunity to take handoffs, to take little this and that. So I believe that Dante Pettis is an elite talent and there's always a balance between putting more talent on a team and taking away from Pettis. I think it comes down to what is the confidence level that Jimmy Garoppolo and the team has in Dante Pettis. And if you believe. Let's, let's substitute, right? Like if I don't know the Giants when they had Odell had drafted Debo Samuel and Jalen Hurd, you wouldn't think twice about the science.

[Christian Kirk]

Not at all.

[Jason Moore]

Because a great talent demands great targets.

[Christian Kirk]

This it's very similar to, excuse me, it's Christian Kirk. I mean Christian Kirk was a second round pick last year, showed enough on to the team and on film like this is a good player. He's going to be able to do things. He's interesting for fantasy. And then the team just came in and replenished the war chest with wide receivers. So. And I saw that as it's a negative for Christian Kirk. This to me, this is a negative to Dante Pettis. I mean the team could be better. But you for me, I'm moving Pettis down a couple.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not to say that Pettis can't succeed. I think he has the talent to succeed. I think he will succeed. But the opportunity he has now is more difficult.

[Jason Moore]

But the winner, he'll be the one. He would have been the one before the draft and he's the one after the draft. That's the only part to me that I'm. If he's on the field the same, you have some talent, more talent around him. But he didn't. He's not losing his wide receiver one spot.

[Andy Holloway]

I think the big, the biggest winner in the whole situation though Jimmy Garoppolo, Jimmy Garoppolo because Deebo Samuel and Jalen Hurd.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's where we need to focus.

[Andy Holloway]

Those are good players and maybe it doesn't happen year one and in their rookie year, but you know, future wise, I think Jimmy Garoppolo has some great weapons with Kyle Shanahan there. I really like what San Francisco did. As far as, you know, you get the elite pass rusher and then you focus on your offense.

[Jason Moore]

Would you move Jimmy G out based on this draft? Because if there's one thing that we haven't had any clarity on and maybe that's starting to drip over into wide receivers, we don't know if it's Matt burrito or Jericho McKinnon or Tevin Coleman. Sure, we might not know if it's Debo Samuel, Dante Pettis or Jalen Hurd or Marquis Goodwin or George Kittle, but.

[Andy Holloway]

We know it's.

[Christian Kirk]

Dynasty. I'll move him up, but short term, I mean, these are still rookies, so I'm not going to go crazy for the handsome one. Before we move off the team, though, we got. Do you know how old that punter is, Mitch Wisnowski?

[Andy Holloway]

No, I. I am not aware of the.

[Jason Moore]

He was the punter select in the fourth round.

[Christian Kirk]

The fourth round selection.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, he's in Utah. Oh, I know. He went on his mission. He's probably 28.

[Christian Kirk]

He's 27 years old and he got drafted. Mitch, you're my hero.

[Jason Moore]

Fourth quarter. Are you telling me we can go back? Can we enter Brooks?

[Andy Holloway]

27 was a bit ago.

[Christian Kirk]

Now look, I can up. I can punt the ball at least 15 yards.

[Andy Holloway]

Impressive.

[Jason Moore]

Jason was our punter on our flag team.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, I was.

[Jason Moore]

He got up to 30 yards with a forward roll. With a nice forward roll.

[Christian Kirk]

I've seen some shanks.

[Andy Holloway]

Purposeful shanks.

[Christian Kirk]

More shanks than prison cell. I don't get some more.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't give a catchable ball.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's talk about.

[Christian Kirk]

This is on purpose.

[Jason Moore]

Let's talk about the Seattle Seahawks. Winners and losers from this draft main their weight room. The big, big winner, DK Metcalf and Gary Jennings Jr. Two whiteouts drafted in the third or, I'm sorry, the very end of the second round for Metcalf and the middle of the fourth round for Gary Jennings Jr. Out of West Virginia. They also drafted a running back, did they not in the sixth round. But who are the winners and losers on the Seahawks?

[Christian Kirk]

I mean, we're. I think we do disagree about this the way that we've. We're seeing the rookie drafts go, I think Metcalf was a loser as far as rookie selections going to a low volume passing team. They, they're our run first team Schottenheimer. We've, we've covered this ad nauseam. I think it was a, not the best landing spot for what Metcalf could have become and what everyone wanted to what, what the draft Twitter wanted him to become.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we're going to disagree there dog, because I think while he dropped and that's not good for your, your capital. I can't imagine Randy over here, I can't imagine a much better landing spot because DK Metcalf, I don't, I don't see him being 100 reception type player. If he, if he pans out, you know, one of those guys that's getting 150, 60 targets. He, he's not a possession guy. He's a deep threat, an amazing talent and what he can do. And so, you know, that's where I think you've got a player who's matching up perfect with Russell Wilson. You saw how valuable on low target volume Tyler Boyd was. If you're running around buying time, I can't imagine a better target to throw it over the mountains to thank than DK Metcalf. So touchdown wise, I think that's where DK's fantasy value is going to come. And I think he matched up well to go to a team that might be losing Doug Baldwin.

[Jason Moore]

I don't have the same opinion of Metcalf as I would have if this Baldwin news didn't come out. I think, I think it matters a ton. And you have a situation here with Hollywood Brown, with AJ Brown, with DK Metcalf, where low pass offenses drafted some of the best talent at the wide receiver position. So, you know, would you take DK Metcalf over AJ Brown? I would. Would you take DK Metcalf over Marquis Brown? I would. So in that situation with what's going on with, with Russell Wilson, I think you have opportunity. I think it obviously helps Russell Wilson to have been given a couple more weapons. But you're right, there were probably, there were other homes that he could have gone to that would have made you happier.

[Andy Holloway]

Can we just say, I don't know, we haven't really discussed this, but I feel like as a whole now, not for every player out there, but if you just take the masses of the rookies that were drafted, this draft really sucked for them.

[Christian Kirk]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Like all the players that I thought had a real chance to break out, they Went to just piss poor situations where it's like, that's really not where I want him going. And everybody I didn't like was like, oh, no, that's a really good spot.

[Christian Kirk]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Looking at you, David Montgomery.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. It'll be very interesting because, you know, like, I don't know if there's as much excitement around rookie drafts. I mean, we did two of them today in two of our major leagues. We started them. There's a sense that there are a couple of names, Nikhil Harry and Josh Jacobs, that you're kind of sure about what's going on, but then there's this muddied middle where, you know, guys will emerge, but there's just not a lot to go on.

[Christian Kirk]

Yeah, I have Kyler Murray ranked very high in my. For rookie drafts. And generally speaking, that does not happen with, with a quarterback because guys are just in such bad situations.

[Jason Moore]

All right, it's time to move on to the NFC East. Brooks, your Cowboys. Cowboys didn't do a lot on the offensive side of the ball at all. A couple of handcuffs Tony Pollard out of Memphis. Running back and seventh round running back as well. What's funny is to me, the winners are Michael Gallup and Randall Cobb. Because you could have invested a third, fourth, fifth round pick on a wide receiver to compete on the outside with Amari Cooper and Gallup and Cobb didn't do it. So, like, for instance, if this is if the Cowboys had drafted Andy Isabella, Randall Cobb is looking troubled.

[Christian Kirk]

Yeah. So I was gonna say what's funny is I like Mike Weber more. I like their seventh round running back more than Tony Pollard. Like, that'll be very interesting to see who actually ends up as Ezekiel's direct handcuff. Direct handcuff. And his backup. I mean, draft capital says that things are very, very against Weber from Ohio State, but that's. That's who I think it is right now.

[Jason Moore]

And Pollard, he's. Everything I've seen about him is specialty kick return.

[Christian Kirk]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

He's gonna immediately be our starting kick.

[Andy Holloway]

Returner, it seems like. So that's what they drafted him for. Yeah, I mean, you know, the handcuff. I'm not worried in a redraft league.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Christian Kirk]

But we're talking rookie drafts. Like, that's important for. For you to have. If you have Zeke in the way that the Cowboys run.

[Jason Moore]

Rookie pick. Yeah, you just get. You'd want to be targeting the.

[Christian Kirk]

I would.

[Jason Moore]

And would you go so far as to say you believe Weber will be that guy right now?

[Christian Kirk]

I do think he will Be all right.

[Jason Moore]

The New York Giants. The football giants. The Daniel Jones Giants.

[Christian Kirk]

Look, hey, there was 10 teams that wanted Daniel Jones. It's me, Dave. Look, Daniel.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, did you happen to see the me sitting three years?

[Christian Kirk]

It's me, Dave.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that was great too. Dave Gettleman talking about the fact that they could take the model of him sitting three years. Do they know how old Eli Manning is? Here's the funny thing is somebody said that Daniel Jones looks exactly like.

[Christian Kirk]

Oh, it was such a good tweet.

[Jason Moore]

Exactly like a person cast to play Eli Manning in a movie.

[Christian Kirk]

Yes. It's so good.

[Jason Moore]

And so Daniel Jones goes number six.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, I don't blame. Gettleman's getting a lot of crap.

[Christian Kirk]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

But if that's actually the guy that you want and you think it's your franchise quarterback, trade down. No, because somebody could grab. I mean, look, if you actually, if you actually believe it, you have to take that guy. I don't, I don't blame him for that. I blame him for the scouting. I don't agree that he's the guy, but he's also irrelevant. I think he plays the second half of this year. I do.

[Jason Moore]

Because he'll be winless at that point.

[Andy Holloway]

Right, Exactly. But for fantasy purposes, he's. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Brooks put in Daniel Jones's agent as a winner from the draft. Sterling Shepard is a winner from the draft.

[Christian Kirk]

Yeah, I guess he is.

[Jason Moore]

You know, you had how many picks in this draft? Three first rounders, two fifth rounders, and you didn't invest in a wide receiver until the fifth round. Shepherd got paid and now he didn't get supplanted by any of that top end talent.

[Andy Holloway]

You could argue the same for Evan Ingram. You know, the fact that the splits with Evan Ingram with and without Odell Beckham have been really good for him. My worry here is Golden Tate, obviously I do think that Daniel Jones gets on the field. So I'm not, I'm not, I'm not ever worried too much about the second half of the season when I'm in a redraft. I'm looking much more at how we're going to get out of the gate. But if Daniel Jones comes in, it's. It's to me for sure bad for all pass catchers. So I don't see this as a pure win for Sterling shepherd and Evan Ingram if it turns out that their team is worse and then they get a rookie quarterback midway through the season.

[Jason Moore]

Now, Brux, if you, if you were playing Eli like you planned this year as Your dynasty starter, he's a loser in this draft as well. Okay.

[Christian Kirk]

Dang it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. All right. So excited to play him. I'm excited to talk about the Philadelphia Eagles because despite having only five picks in this draft, there's a lot of fantasy implications.

[Christian Kirk]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Second round Miles Sanders, Penn State running back, one of the highest recruited running backs as he headed into Penn State was the backup to Saquon. Miles Sanders in the second round says we're not going to rest on the Jordan Howard fifth round exchange. We're looking for a three down guy for multiple years. Miles Sanders. And then in this later, what, four picks later, they traded up for JJ Orcega, Whiteside wide receiver out of Stamford. That makes Carson Wentz a winner. To me, you get Carson Wentz a couple of weapons. Miles Sanders lands in a pretty good home.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, look, the first pick, you take one of the best pass blocking offensive tackles in the draft. The second pick, you draft a running back that can catch passes out of Penn State. The third pick, you draft Sega Genesis. And you've got another great weapon who's kind of like an Alshon Jeffrey comp in the jump ball, touchdown, you know, type of player. And so I think Carson Wentz is a. Is a huge winner in this draft. That was when I was watching the draft. Every pick, I just kept thinking, man, that's. That's good for Wentz. Oh, that's good for Wentz.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I don't disagree. Jordan Howard was a loser for fantasy owners that bought into him being traded to Philly. The way I would break it down right now is, and I'm one of my dynasty leagues, I'm a Jordan Howard owner. I drafted Miles Sanders with the third pick in the rookie draft today. And I know in my heart that this is going to suck because Miles Sanders, I think will see a lot of work and I think Jordan Howard will steal a lot of touchdowns. And I think I'm going to be displeased now. It's very possible. Jordan Howard, is he in the final year of his deal?

[Christian Kirk]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

So this is a rent. That's a situation where. This is why I rank Miles Sanders ahead of David Montgomery, which I know you guys are the opposite. But one of the reasons is I feel like the Philly offense, Doug Peterson, Carson Wentz starting next year as Miles Sanders. Miles Sanders could have earned himself a very strong three down role. Do you disagree with that possibility?

[Andy Holloway]

I disagree with the possibility of three down in the sense that there's such a committee and they're so committed to not using one single back, but I think they could work themselves down to being two backs. And you know, this is more an indictment in my view of. And you knew this before the draft and before they got Jordan Howard, how much they wanted to upgrade their running back position. They were not happy with the Corey Clement, Wendell Smallwood, Josh Adams trifecta of guys off the street. They said we've got to, you know, they didn't trade much for Jordan Howard, who's a quality running back and then they use the capital that they had to grab another quality running back. I think the offense is better, but I think it's going to be a two man show.

[Christian Kirk]

Two man, that would be an upgrade though.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Christian Kirk]

The problem with the Eagles is it's been in three, four guys at the same time.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And I think that's why they invested in Sanders specifically is because he has a more diverse skill set than other guys that they've had slotted in. And like you said, last year was tough to watch. Clement never did it. Josh Adams, flash little bits here and there. Let's talk about the Redskins. The Redskins grab Dwayne Haskins at 15. They grab a wide receiver, McLaren at the 12th pick of the third round. Another running back, Bryce Love in the fourth round, who they expect to be back by middle of training camp. Bryce Love. Bryce Love probably would have gone. Where would he have gone a year ago? Second round?

[Christian Kirk]

Second probably.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. He hurt himself staying in school. Well, quit school kids.

[Andy Holloway]

He hurt himself hurting himself.

[Christian Kirk]

Yeah, exactly. This is interesting to me that they have Darius Geiss who they. I mean they invested very, very highly in Darius Geist and I know he got hurt. But your plan is okay, let's. Let's make sure we have insurance for our hurt guy.

[Jason Moore]

With a hurt guy.

[Christian Kirk]

With a hurt guy.

[Jason Moore]

Well, for a value, it's a value pick.

[Andy Holloway]

The reality is the insurance for Darius Geist is Adrian Peterson. The insurance for Chris Thompson, the INJ guy was the injured guy. So they've got three injured guys. Running back nap.

[Jason Moore]

Three inch guys equal one healthy guy, Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Smart move.

[Christian Kirk]

You just Voltron.

[Jason Moore]

Here's the truth though. This is not to me. You try to read the tea leaves here. 4th round, early 4th round pick on Bryce Love. It just goes to reinforce the news, the percolating rumors of Darius guy's very slow development back from injury only a few days ago you got another report that he is moving slowly through this. This is why. What have they done? Here's their confidence level in Darius guys's return for fantasy Owners, let's pay Adrian Peterson. Let's draft Bryce Love in the fourth round. That's all we have. So I would not be enthusiastic for this offense, one that is currently led by some. Either Haskins or keenum or Colt McCoy, with three different running backs with a myriad of kind of wide receivers. We don't know who's going to emerge. This offense is going to struggle. That is my concern.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm not happy. Who's the loser is the Washington Redskins for the immediate future. Josh Dodgson over the long run, you know, if Dwayne Haskins pans out, if, you know, he's the guy and Geist gets healthy and Bryce Love gets healthy and you could have something down the line. I didn't love what they did at wide receiver. They needed help. They drafted one. But not, you know, not your favorite. Not in my top 15. Who starts.

[Jason Moore]

Week one for Washington?

[Christian Kirk]

Quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

Keenum.

[Jason Moore]

No. Punter. Mike?

[Christian Kirk]

Well, I don't know. Maybe. Maybe you meant running back. There's a lot of questions for. Is there any football team?

[Jason Moore]

Who starts at quarterback?

[Christian Kirk]

Haskins.

[Jason Moore]

Who did you say? Jay?

[Andy Holloway]

I said Keenum. Break the tie.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, goodness.

[Christian Kirk]

McCoy.

[Jason Moore]

Dwayne Haskins. Dwayne Haskins playing for his life. Gruden's playing for his life.

[Christian Kirk]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

All right. The Bears. The Bears only had five picks in this draft, but we got stuff to talk about here, boys. David Montgomery. None of us were huge. Montgomery fans.

[Andy Holloway]

I am now third round. I mean, I've said this so many times before. I will take opportunity over talent 100 out of 100 times. And that's not to say David Montgomery isn't talented, but just right before the draft, I talked about. I don't see what a lot of other people see. I know he's well rounded. It can do a little bit of.

[Christian Kirk]

Everything breaks a lot of time.

[Andy Holloway]

I had in my notes that if a team were to invest heavily in him, I think he would be great. And I don't think a team is going to do that. A team did that because similar to what you were bringing up with, you know, other teams trading up and they didn't have their first pick. The Bears were. They had interview after interview after interview with all the running backs, multiple interviews with the same guys. So they clearly were showing their hands that they were looking at a running back, except they didn't have enough picks. Like they didn't have. They had so few picks in this draft that I did not think they were going to be able to do it. And then they used Extra to trade up to get David Montgomery, who has then been given the Kareem Hunt comp by Matt Nagy, who used Cream Hunt as a well rounded back. And I think, I think Montgomery comes in right off the bat with 250 touches and is the main.

[Jason Moore]

It doesn't matter what we think about him before, if Matt Nagy thinks he's everything.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

And that's what we're trying to relate to. Yeah. No, he has a great opportunity in Chicago. You know, they jettisoned Jordan Howard wasn't a fit. David Montgomery, they feel like is a fit current regime.

[Christian Kirk]

Mike Davis, that was fun.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he's a big loser.

[Jason Moore]

Mike Davis, Malcolm Brown, those are your off season losers. Those are those guys on that fringe. Right. Chris Warren. Remember when we talked about Chris Warren in Oakland?

[Christian Kirk]

I tried.

[Jason Moore]

Forget about it, forget about it. One Isaiah Crowell and one Josh Jacobs later. And Chris Warren don't even just drop him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, well, if you're in a super deep dynasty league, also drop him.

[Jason Moore]

You know what I'm going to do?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you've got him on your team.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to drop him right here.

[Andy Holloway]

Right now on air.

[Christian Kirk]

Oh, Warren, that is a rage drop because you can't even pick anyone.

[Jason Moore]

That's right. That's right. I'm going to take care of that.

[Christian Kirk]

Okay. Picking up Chris Warren.

[Jason Moore]

Go ahead. But no, that's the reality of the draft. If you are, if you are investing in a low. I mean, this happens with wideouts too, you know, Jake Kumaro, all the dynasty rage. But if Green Bay had drafted three or four whiteouts, you wouldn't have draft capital matters.

[Christian Kirk]

That's why it was incredibly sad to see two of my lower tier running backs that I liked. I knew it was, I knew it was tougher for them, but Alex Barnes and air booby Williams were both undrafted.

[Andy Holloway]

I just, my heart broke. I do want to confirm that. I just verified he did in fact drop Chris Warren.

[Jason Moore]

He has been dropped. I have. I cannot leave Chicago without asking the question that maybe should have kind of been part of the Montgomery discussion to begin with. Turok, right? What happens to Cohen? Because Cohen had this seemingly big opportunity. Jason, you just said David Montgomery has 250 touches. Those two do not compute.

[Andy Holloway]

I think, I think they, I think they can compute. I mean, I actually started them out already. And if you look, Tariq is not a guy who gets a ton of carries. And so if he's a guy that's going to be getting, you know, 100, 150 carries and then Used in the passing game. I think he'll be about what he was last year, which was serviceable at times, disappointing at times. But I do think David Montgomery will be the predominant guy in the timeshare.

[Christian Kirk]

Yeah, I agree. Cohen will be okay, but Montgomery is going to be great.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's talk about the Detroit Lions Use their first round pick right where I thought they would. TJ Hawkinson, by the way. We didn't even update that.

[Christian Kirk]

No, nothing to update.

[Andy Holloway]

Nothing to look at.

[Jason Moore]

I actually won our our rookie predictions. Yeah, I have four correct. You guys had two each. So if you add your scores up together, you tied me.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. That was only on the back of Dave Gettleman. I hope you're happy with yourself.

[Christian Kirk]

It's me.

[Andy Holloway]

If Dave Gettleman had drafted Josh Allen, clearly who he should have drafted at number six, then TJ Hogset would have gone to the Jags at seven where I had him going. But then they're like, Josh Allen's here.

[Jason Moore]

Sinbuts were candy and nuts.

[Andy Holloway]

So we're tied to three and three in my world.

[Jason Moore]

Right? Yeah, your world is always very Jason favored.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, it is.

[Jason Moore]

T.J. hawkinson to Detroit.

[Christian Kirk]

Oh, there was breaking news about that. He's expected to be the start of week one.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He is the number eight pick in the NFL draft. Expected to be used right off the bat.

[Christian Kirk]

You know who wins that needs tight end.

[Andy Holloway]

That's good.

[Jason Moore]

He's such a good blocker and such a good pass catcher. He will be an immediate weapon on an offense that needs them. He will also be an asset to carry on Johnson, who I think is another winner in this draft.

[Andy Holloway]

Because he.

[Jason Moore]

Gets a great blocking tight end and didn't have another running back drafted.

[Andy Holloway]

It's the year of carry on. Get ready.

[Christian Kirk]

Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

Prepare yourselves.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Christian Kirk]

All right. Prepare on.

[Jason Moore]

You talking about my guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't you do that.

[Christian Kirk]

Oh, dude, it's Andy's guy. I heard it.

[Andy Holloway]

Even Brooks shaking his head no over there.

[Jason Moore]

I would look Jesse James, who was an off season pickup, that's he's a big loser in Detroit. Otherwise, you know, you could make the argument that they didn't do a lot else to address the passing game, but Hawkinson is a big one and from a dynasty perspective, I think he's a very valuable tight end.

[Christian Kirk]

Dynasty. He's already a top 12 tight end.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I have met like eight or nine.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And you could argue Marvin Jones is a winner here because getting up there, gone on and used early capital on one of these wide receivers. He could start Looking like he's being shown the door.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's get to Green Bay. Green Bay. Well, not a lot to look at. They did spend a third round pick. They were one of the teams rumored to need a tight end, maybe in the Noah sweepstakes. They needed one last year and they got Mary Steenberg. Is that who it was?

[Andy Holloway]

Emmett Jace Steinberg.

[Christian Kirk]

Stop doing that to Jace.

[Jason Moore]

Did you just call him Steinberg?

[Andy Holloway]

Isn't it Sternberger? Steinbrenner. Remember the owner of the third round.

[Jason Moore]

Pick though, Jace Sternberger. Do we think that he will have some relevance? Running back Dexter Williams, also drafted in the sixth round.

[Christian Kirk]

Sternberger will not this year, but I think Sternberger is a good player and he'll be. He'll be serviceable.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, once.

[Christian Kirk]

Once they realize that Jimmy Graham just let him off to pasture.

[Andy Holloway]

I think they realized that. I think that's why they were so. I mean, between Hawkinson and Fant, they. Most mock drafts had them taking a tight end because they completely realized. They realized that. I mean they. Jimmy Graham is not the answer at tight end and they need an answer. You're right to point out that, you know, it's going to take a couple years for Sternberger. He's not. He's not going to come in rookie year and Sternberger and so. Yeah, but in a dynasty league.

[Jason Moore]

What a burger.

[Andy Holloway]

I think, you know, he'll be in the third round. You know, a late guy that I think you could hold on to and stash for a couple of years.

[Christian Kirk]

Sternberger will start next year. Jimmy Graham will be gone.

[Jason Moore]

I can only hope for the Whataburger nickname. I want that in there. What? What a catch. Whataburger. Come on.

[Christian Kirk]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

What?

[Christian Kirk]

It's there.

[Jason Moore]

It's there. We'll work through it. Yeah, we've got time. We got to wait until he flame broiled. Yeah. He has to earn it like Disley did.

[Christian Kirk]

Oh, goodness. Big Montana.

[Jason Moore]

He came out of nowhere. Got himself a nickname. That's all I'm saying. All right. If your name is Geronimo Allison, Marquez, Valdez, Scantling, Equanimity, St. Brown. They didn't go get another big wide receiver. I was surprised there were opportunities for Green Bay to do that and they didn't.

[Andy Holloway]

The reason they did not do that is because they're fine there. I mean, they've got a good up and coming core of wide receivers. I think that the biggest winner to me of those up and coming players is going to be Geronimo Allison. I believe he is very talented. He's got a great rapport with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers loves him. He was off to a hot start in the beginning of last year with him until the injury. They didn't go out and replace any of the wide receivers. So all of them, all of them are big winners in, you know, this year's draft because they get another year with Rogers to step into the offense. But I think Allison's the guy I'm most excited about.

[Jason Moore]

All right. The Minnesota Vikings sound the alarms. Kyle Rudolph's time may be coming to a close. Irv Smith Jr. A second round tight end draft pick out of Alabama by the Vikings. That's kind of the headline there. There was. They did draft Alexander.

[Christian Kirk]

Alexander Madison. This is in.

[Jason Moore]

This is a legit handcuff for Dalvin Cook.

[Christian Kirk]

This, this is something you need to pay attention to. If I have Dalvin Cook, who is thus far shown himself very prone to getting hurt, Alex, Alexander Madison would be a primary target for me. I would expect you don't have to pay like a huge price for him, but back in the second round, you're going to want to think about it. He's. He's from Boise State.

[Andy Holloway]

I really liked him.

[Christian Kirk]

I really, really liked Madison. He won me over by the end because he can do everything. And I think that he's one of those just super tough dudes who, if given this, if Dalvin Cook went down, Alex, everyone would freak out for Alexander Madison. So just make sure you're prepared.

[Andy Holloway]

And I would, I would throw out that he could, he could have relevance. He's not just strictly a handcuff. Latavius Murray had relevance there even when Dalvin Cook was there. So he, you know, if they timeshare at all or use him, you know, around the goal line, I don't expect them, I don't expect him to be a star, certainly not with Dalvin Cook. But he could be relevant. He's one of those guys you could draft as a handcuff because he could be an option in your flex later. But I think the big winner here in Minnesota is clearly Kirk Cousins. You spend your first four picks on offense. You get a center, you get a guard, and you get a tight end protecting the line and the tight end. And Irv Smith is a great downfield weapon.

[Jason Moore]

If you're going to spend all that money on those wide outs, you better have a quarterback that's upright to throw to them. Atlanta. Let's talk about Atlanta. They interesting draft. Matt Ryan looks like a winner for the same reason Kirk Cousins is. Guard, tackle. First two picks in the first round. In the first round. You could also say Devonta Freeman looks like a winner. No high investment on another running back. You got Ido Smith and Devonta Freeman.

[Christian Kirk]

It will be that. It will be Freeman and Edo Smith and these are some good linemen in my opinion, that they drafted. This is a huge, huge sign of confidence that in Devonta Freeman by the Atlanta Falcons. So I, I'm not necessarily going to move Freeman up, but just solidifies, take a deep breath, solidifies the offseason feelings of that the team is already fully invested in him. They don't need to move else, move on and they're not.

[Andy Holloway]

Quadray Olson running back taken. He gives me a little bit of pause from calling Ito Smith a winner because he could come in and say, like Ito Smith, I mean, make no mistake, he could be okay, but he sucked. He was terrible last year. He was a very big disappointment for the Falcons. They go out and draft the running back. I mean, you needed to for depth. But my point is I believe he can come in and just win that job and be the backup. So I don't see this as a huge win for Ito, but definitely Devonta Freeman and Matt Ryan. I mean, I know we've had some arguments over where Matt Ryan should finish, but so far the last couple weeks have gone really well for him with the schedule coming out, the domes that he's playing in now, the offensive line, two first rounders on the offensive line, which was very necessary. Those things are just good for the whole offense.

[Jason Moore]

All right, the Carolina Panthers, winners and losers to me, the big winners on this roster, DJ Moore and Curtis Samuel. Curtis Samuel is probably the biggest winner of them all because he has an opportunity to stay at the wide receiver two position and he is a very explosive player in limited touches. Curtis Samuel had fantasy relevance last year. I think he may be one of those sleeper type of guys that ends up in our ultimate draft kit because someone has to catch the ball there. Devin Funches is gone. It can't just be Christian McCaffrey. And if you think it's just DJ Moore, you better move him up your rankings because Moore, Samuel McCaffrey, that's going to be their offense.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I agree completely. Samuel is a great sleeper option. I would, if you're out there, go try to trade for him in Dynasty because I think a lot of people, even that have Samuel realize how good he was last year, which was essentially his rookie year. If he becomes the one, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, you know, expect that. But I certainly would not be surprised if he becomes a primary target as opposed to D.J. moore.

[Jason Moore]

Last season he had five touchdowns, 500 yards receiving on 40 receptions and has a. An opportunity to level up. And you know how old Curtis Samuel is?

[Andy Holloway]

12.

[Jason Moore]

He is 22 years old.

[Christian Kirk]

How is this possible?

[Jason Moore]

DJ Moore is 22 years old. So they've got two. Was that August? All right, DJ Moore is older. No, he's not. Curtis Samuel is older by half a year. But I mean, you've got two super young studs and if, you know, if Cam Newton comes back with a shoulder in place, then there's an opportunity. There he is. May he can turn some heads.

[Christian Kirk]

They also grabbed just undrafted real quick, Elijah Holyfield from Georgia, who is the son of Evander Holyfield.

[Andy Holloway]

Is his son or is he. I think he was like nephew or something.

[Christian Kirk]

No, I'm looking.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, is it? Yeah. I did not realize he was son. He must be a good puncher.

[Jason Moore]

Keep your.

[Christian Kirk]

Keep your fist yourself, man. Just be a running back.

[Andy Holloway]

I bet he's got a good stiff arm. I actually did watch. No, no joke. When, when I was watching him, I was watching for that. And he does. He like punches with it. I'm not even joking. He like punches his stiff arm out. And I thought I was like, is this legal? No joke.

[Christian Kirk]

It is for him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

All right. The New Orleans Saints, the Norland Saints only had five picks in this draft. Five. They did invest in a center. They had to. Yes, they had to. The surprise retirement. So they did grab a Center in Eric McCoy. I would say the existing wide receiver core. The people there, they're winners. I don't know if Drew Brees is a winner in this draft because I felt like they needed some help at the wide receiver position. Outside of Michael Thomas. You're going to have to see Trick. I mean, Traquan Smith is a winner.

[Christian Kirk]

They're counting on Trayvon taking a step.

[Jason Moore]

Ted Ginn.

[Christian Kirk]

Yeah, he's still there.

[Jason Moore]

All right, Tampa Bay. Moving on to Tampa Bay. This was an interesting draft because it was entirely on defense, which has a.

[Andy Holloway]

Lot of big winners for fantasy. A lot. The fact that they did not add a bunch of wide receivers or quality running backs to this team says that guys like Chris Godwin, huge winner here. They're saying, we believe in you, Justin Watson. You guys can get the job done.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Another sleeper candidate, Justin Watson.

[Andy Holloway]

They vacated a lot of targets with Humphreys leaving with. Yeah. Desean Jackson leaving. And then. Look, I know I've never been a fan of Ronald Jones, but they believe Ronald Jones, Peyton Barber can get the job done. Now I'm going to think it's Peyton Barber, but the opportunity for Ronald Jones to step up is certainly there.

[Jason Moore]

Now it is also important to note they drafted yet another place kicker. So the Aguayo days are over.

[Christian Kirk]

Oh man.

[Jason Moore]

But they did spend a fifth round pick on Matt Gay out of Utah. So these kickers, if you go to Utah and you're a kicker, it's the place to be. How old is this guy?

[Christian Kirk]

35.

[Jason Moore]

You know, vet this thing, see if he's 27 too. 27 year old kickers getting drafted. I didn't know about this when I was young. Got an extra five years to refine your skills before you have to graduate.

[Christian Kirk]

No age given.

[Jason Moore]

No age.

[Andy Holloway]

That means he's probably in his 40s.

[Jason Moore]

He's in his 40s.

[Christian Kirk]

25.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, okay. That's still old for a rookie. I just talked about Curtis Samuel going into year three. He's 22 years old. Winners and losers.

[Christian Kirk]

He is actually market price. That's his age.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, we talked about it. Watson Godwin, Ronald Jones, Peyton Barber as well.

[Christian Kirk]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

And that does it for the NFC guys. Anybody I'm forgetting? Anything you want to mention before we move on?

[Andy Holloway]

Leonard Fournette's a big winner.

[Christian Kirk]

We haven't got.

[Jason Moore]

We will get into that on Thursday. We will also announce the winners. We will announce the winners of our big giveaway, the ultimate draft kit.com giveaway. We had a preorder special we were doing and we have the names of the winners. Those will be announced on Thursday. So hang tight. You might see those on social media popping up here.

[Andy Holloway]

Might be your name.

[Jason Moore]

Could be. Well, somebody won it.

[Christian Kirk]

Could.

[Jason Moore]

Somebody won. That's, that's how giveaways work. So we'll go ahead and jump into the deal today. Pristine deal of the day. Oh come on now. Dante Pettis signed jersey pristineauction.com $36.85 a signed 49er jersey. Dante Pettis.

[Andy Holloway]

That's unbelievable. I mean that is truly like this.

[Jason Moore]

Seems chicken and the egg when we talk about Dante Pettis sometimes because I am an owner and dynasty of Dante Pettis. As am I. I'm an owner of Dante Pettis in Dynasty because of watching Dante Pettis play football last year. Then I went out and got him. It is not my, my bullish nature on Pettis isn't on the basis of I hope he's good. It's. He, he's really good. And then you go get him. That's why I believe he's a number one. I think it's kind of crazy. You can go get a jersey for $36, though.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. You go to Pristine auction and steal jerseys from people that have been signed by him for 36 bucks. That's a good deal. Hey, make a completely free account. It's free to bid. You only pay if you win. So spend 36 bucks on a signed jersey.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. There's hundreds every day to pristineauction.com that is it for today's show. Remember to check out ballerslive.com go get tickets to come see this show live. We want to see you. We want to meet you.

[Christian Kirk]

Chicago, New York, San Francisco, LA and Phoenix.

[Jason Moore]

We'll see you on Thursday.

[Christian Kirk]

Goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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