NFL Draft Recap: AFC Winners & Losers, Darn Tootin’ - Fantasy Football Podcast for 4/29

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast – NFL Draft Recap: AFC Winners & Losers

Released April 29, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of Fantasy Footballers – Fantasy Football Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright delve into a comprehensive analysis of the recent NFL Draft, focusing specifically on the AFC division. Skipping the usual advertisements and intros, the trio provides listeners with insightful breakdowns of each AFC team’s draft choices, highlighting the potential winners and losers in the fantasy football landscape.

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Overall Draft Impressions

Jason Moore kicks off the discussion by reflecting on the overall draft quality. He questions whether the draft lived up to expectations, asking, “was it, did it live up to the billing? Was it a letdown?” [02:45]

Andy Holloway responds, saying, “I think it did mostly live up. I mean if you take out the Shador Sanders fall… you had a lot of running backs get great draft capital… the skill position players really did. I’m impressed by how many of these rookies appear to now knowing their destination and their draft capital.”

Jason Moore concurs, emphasizing the abundance of opportunity in front of these players. [03:43]

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AFC South: Tennessee Titans

The Titans’ draft strategy is thoroughly dissected, with particular attention to their selection of wide receivers.

• Key Picks:
  • DK (Pick 103): Identified as a speedster with potential but not a headline name.
  • Gunner Helm (Pick 120) & Ellic Anor (Pick not specified): Discussed as depth pieces with varying potentials.

Andy Holloway notes the Titans' opportunity with Calvin Ridley returning, stating, “I don't see Tyler Lockett really getting in the way of a rookie's opportunity. But definitely helpful for Cam Ward.” [09:22]

Mike Wright highlights Calvin Ridley as a major fantasy asset, suggesting, “He will be very interesting to see how people respond to the ADP Burns of last year.” [11:10]

Jason Moore predicts Ridley to exceed his previous 1,000-yard season, asserting, “I think he’s over that number.” [10:36]

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Cleveland Browns: Strategic Running Backs

The Browns’ approach focuses on bolstering their running back depth.

• Key Picks:
  • Quinshon Judkins (Second Round): Viewed as a fit replacement for Nick Chubb with a bruising offensive line.
  • Dylan Sampson (Fourth Round): Seen as a strong committee back option.
  • Harold Fannin Jr. (Third Round): Discussed as an athletically gifted tight end, though viewed as a potential "faller" [35:00]

Andy Holloway praises Judkins’ fit with Cleveland’s run-heavy system, likening him to David Montgomery in terms of role and potential. [32:00]

Jason Moore expresses excitement about Judkins’ touchdown potential, labeling him a “home run fantasy destination.” [33:29]

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Jacksonville Jaguars: Drafting for Fantasy Impact

The Jaguars made significant moves by trading up to select Travis Hunter.

• Key Picks:
  • Travis Hunter (Second Round): Acquired in a trade, expected to be a high-impact fantasy player with a strong snap count offensive role.
  • Bashel Tootin (Fourth Round): A speedy back with potential, though viewed with caution due to his draft position.

Andy Holloway emphasizes Hunter’s immediate impact potential, asserting, “he is going to be the starter,” and cautions against conflating his emergence with the performance of other players like Brian Thomas Jr. [13:03]

Jason Moore discusses the depth and competition within Jacksonville’s wide receiver corps, highlighting the balance between established stars and new rookies. [14:11]

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Houston Texans: Balancing the Running Game

The Texans focused on enhancing their running back lineup to support Joe Mixon.

• Key Picks:
  • Jaden Higgins (Second Round) & Jalen Noel (Third Round): Both selected to strengthen the receiving corps.
  • D.J. Giddens (Fifth Round): Viewed as an insurance running back behind Johnny Taylor.

Andy Holloway appreciates the Texans’ strategic additions, noting, “You got a great quarterback in C.J. Stroud and a real need for these players to step up.” [24:40]

Jason Moore praises the selection of Jaden Higgins, predicting his significant fantasy upside, while expressing concerns over Jalen Noel’s immediate impact. [25:21]

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Indianapolis Colts: Stability and Depth

The Colts’ draft moves are examined with a focus on their tight end and running back selections.

• Key Picks:
  • Cedric Tillman (Running Back): Retained as a key fantasy asset.
  • Various Tight Ends & Offensive Players: Emphasized the importance of depth and future potential.

Andy Holloway underscores the importance of Mark Andrews, declaring himself a “Mark Andrews apologist” and ensuring his place as a staple in Dynasty leagues. [44:52]

Jason Moore highlights the Colts' commitment to long-term stability by selecting players who can grow into significant fantasy contributors, especially in the tight end position. [45:22]

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Kansas City Chiefs: Solidifying the Offense

The Chiefs’ selections are discussed in terms of their offensive enhancements.

• Key Picks:
  • Talented Wide Receivers & Running Backs: Focus on adding depth and flexibility to Geno Smith’s offense.

Mike Wright is enthusiastic about the Chiefs’ offensive prospects, noting, “This Raiders offense has… they're set up for a lot of fantasy.” [58:47]

Andy Holloway agrees, pointing out that the Chiefs’ additions will provide Geno Smith with ample opportunities to produce fantasy points. [58:47]

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Cincinnati Bengals: Strategic Waiting

The Bengals opted to wait on wide receivers, instead bolstering their running back depth.

• Key Picks:
  • Chase Brown (Sixth Round): Positioned as a major fantasy winner with high potential.

Jason Moore praises the Bengals’ strategic patience, stating, “Chase Brown's a big time fantasy winner.” [43:33]

Andy Holloway concurs, appreciating the stability and forecasted performance of their running backs. [43:45]

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Conclusion and Upcoming Segments

Wrapping up the AFC analysis, the hosts reiterate the importance of understanding each team’s draft strategy and its implications for fantasy football. They anticipate a follow-up discussion covering the NFC teams in the next episode scheduled for Thursday.

Jason Moore wraps up by reminding listeners to check out their Dynasty Pass post-draft updates and upcoming Ultimate Draft Kit (UDK) release scheduled for June 1st, promising even more detailed analyses and rankings for dedicated fantasy managers. [57:46]

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Andy Holloway: “We have a lot of running backs get great draft capital… the skill position players really did.” [03:43]

• Jason Moore: “He’s going to be a winner just like a super flex type player.” [11:38]

• Mike Wright: “Calvin Ridley is a major winner this year, being the only guy in an upgraded quarterback situation.” [11:30]

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Final Thoughts

This episode provides a deep dive into the AFC's draft outcomes, offering valuable insights for fantasy football enthusiasts looking to optimize their rosters. With detailed team-by-team analyses and expert opinions, listeners are well-equipped to navigate the post-draft landscape and make informed decisions for their fantasy leagues.

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Welcome in Tuesday, April 29th the fantasy footballers Podcast. We did it. We had a draft. Players were selected eventually to go to their respective teams and it's time to reflect.

[Mike Wright]

Good times were had by most.

[Andy Holloway]

Not at all.

[Mike Wright]

I love my good times.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it was an interesting three days and we are going to begin our winners and losers episodes looking at today the AFC winners and losers from the draft. We'll walk through the teams, their relevant fantasy football selections and the implications of those selections and then we'll take care of the NFC on Thursday. But a lot happened. I mean, I don't know if you can summarize your, you know, overall thoughts, overarching thoughts of the draft in a couple words. But like, you know, was it, did it live up to the billing? Was it a letdown? I mean, what was your.

[Andy Holloway]

I think, I think it did mostly live up. I mean if you take out the Shador Sanders fall, which was the only thing across all of media and you just look at everything else that happened. You had a lot of running backs get great draft capital. You know, you had enough wide receivers go on the first round tight ends high draft capital like the skill position players really did. I mean this is an impactful. So we've been spending this time since the draft is over just scouring deeply through our dynasty rankings player by player, making sure that they are perfected. And I'm really impressed by. Because this wasn't to me going into the draft like the deepest draft class, especially at wide receiver. But I'm impressed by how many of these rookies appear to now knowing their destination and their draft capital. This is an important year. Like they're higher than I thought they would be in startup rankings.

[Jason Moore]

Just a lot of opportunity in front of them.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Yeah. A lot of opportunity and good draft capital. Both of those things matter.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And so our full dynasty pass post draft update. When you're listening to this, it's either. I think it'll all be. Should be out by the time I'm looking at Mike to try to see if he's signaling me and saying, don't say that. But I think everything will be ready to go.

[Mike Wright]

The rankings have been up. The rookie rankings were up Sunday. We're all finalizing startup dynasty rankings today. And then we got, you know, risers, fallers, things like that.

[Jason Moore]

Trade targets.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So you can find all of that ultimate draft kit dot com. We'll be giving away that listener league spot on the show on Thursday. We'll announce the winners of that and the Baker Mayfield signed jersey and the.

[Mike Wright]

Signed the Jamar mini helmet.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. Jamar Chase mini helmet. We had our, you know, for those of you that know our league of record and league of record format, we had our yearly keeper lottery. And so for those that have followed the show or follow similar rules as once a year we have the opportunity because our league is a keeper league. You have one franchise player that you keep and then three players you put into a lottery. And then once a year we gather together and one of those three names goes back into the draft at random. So in our league, the rule is you can keep a player at one position as your franchise, but the three players in your keeper lottery, they cannot match that position. So for me personally, Ja'Marr Chase is my franchise player. I, Jameer Gibbs, Joe Mixon and Lamar Jackson as my keeper lottery.

[Andy Holloway]

You risked Gibbs?

[Jason Moore]

I risked Gibbs. And I was very lucky. I was fortunate. I lost Lamar back into the draft.

[Andy Holloway]

I was very lucky as well. I risked Breece hall and lost him. So. Fantastic. Get off my team.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man. But how about Owl Man Owl.

[Jason Moore]

How'd that defending champion Al Borland over there, what was your keeper franchise situation? I can't remember.

[Andy Holloway]

It went just like every other year. My franchise was Justin Jefferson. In the lottery went Kyron Bijan and Trey McBride. You risked B. John? I did, but 33% chance of losing him. Who lose? I lost B. John every single year. The one player I say, as long as I don't lose this guy, I'll be good.

[Jason Moore]

That's the problem.

[Andy Holloway]

You should start franchising the guy you don't want to lose.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

And so. Yeah. And Mike, I don't think your situation Mine was. You didn't care that much. It was Harrison, Garrett, Wilson and T. Higgins. T. Higgins were your three in your lottery and you lost Higgins. I mean, that might be just good fortune for you.

[Mike Wright]

It could be. Or it means.

[Andy Holloway]

It means T. Higgins about to go off this year.

[Mike Wright]

No, no. It means I have another chance to draft it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you can't draft them if you don't lose them. That's smart. But. But that's always fun. We do that right after the NFL draft. So those of you in a league like that hopefully had your keeper lotteries as well and had a good time this weekend. Yeah, lots going on. So I want to jump right into the winners and losers. We'll cover more kind of other news that took place in the NFL on Thursday. But you can follow the show Quick reminder here on x at the ffballers on Instagram, fantasy footballers and YouTube.com the fantasy footballers subscribe. Click the bell. We did a live stream on Friday. That was a post round one livestream. Got to hang out with a lot of you. That was a lot of fun as well. So without further ado.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, rookie. Welcome to the NFL.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we're going to start in the AFC south and just kind of walk through the relevant offensive draft picks for these teams. The Titans are 3 and 14. Last year they spent three fourth round picks on two wide outs and a tight end.

[Andy Holloway]

Pass catchers.

[Jason Moore]

Chimray, DK, drafted with pick 103. Gunner Helm at pick 120 and then Ellic. I am an or.

[Andy Holloway]

Nailed it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I am annor. There we go. We're going with that one.

[Mike Wright]

It's one of them.

[Jason Moore]

That's our best guess. I am Annor. But when you look at the film on these guys, this was a team that I think in my predictions, I thought that Luther Burden would go here because I figured they were going to invest at, you know, put some more weapons on this roster for Cam Ward, who was the number one overall pick. I mean, I'm not intending to skip Cam Ward here, but when you look at what Cam Ward has been given in the fourth round here, what he's going to, you know, Calvin Ridley returning.

[Andy Holloway]

The opportunity here for a pass catcher is. It's a great landing spot. They also signed Xavier, how do you say his name? Restrepo, who was Cam Ward's wide receiver in college. But this was a place where it.

[Mike Wright]

Was like the slowest 40 we've ever seen.

[Andy Holloway]

It was like 7.300 is what they said. But you had Calvin Ridley and then jack squat. Also breaking news. I know we skipped the news section today, but it does not look like the Titans are going to pick up trail and Burks his fifth.

[Jason Moore]

Actually, you know what we shouldn't have skipped is they did sign Tyler Lockett. So if you look at a rookie wide receiver emerging in year one, Lockett seems like he's going to be there as a, you know, a veteran presence for a one year term. Another person for Cam Ward to throw the ball to with Calvin Ridley and company.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I don't see it.

[Jason Moore]

And they still have Chigaconkwo.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't, I don't, I don't see Tyler Lockett really getting in the way of a rookie's opportunity. But definitely helpful for Cam Ward.

[Jason Moore]

I personally, I was telling, you know, two fourth round picks. DK went first. I like IO Manor from Stanford. He's big bodied. There's some highlights of him, you know, going up, you know, contested catch. He dealt with drops. There's a great video of him going head to head with Travis Hunter who is number two overall pick in the draft. I like him as a fit for this offense a little bit more than DK but DK is a speedster. Ran a 4, 3, 4. Yeah. I mean it's not headline wide receiver names. They didn't take one of the higher draft capital whiteouts. So, you know, it's kind of harder to identify who's going to emerge. And this is one of those teams you might pay attention to camp a lot.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you're not excited about fourth round wide receivers playing for a rookie quarterback, generically speaking. But when is the 101 in the NFL draft pick? And there is a lot of opportunity here. One of these guys can emerge.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I mean, you know who we all get to get excited about again?

[Andy Holloway]

Tell me. Calvin Ridley.

[Jason Moore]

Well, yeah, I mean he is not a loser from the draft. No. You know, he is their number one wide receiver for sure. And Cam Ward is a much better quarterback. I mean, I like him. Ward.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I think Camward has a chance to be an actual franchise player.

[Jason Moore]

If you look at Calvin Ridley's season, which had moments but also had, you know, I mean he had a wide receiver eight finish, wide receiver six, wide receiver three. And then he had, you know, disappearing X1 for nine and he finished the season with 1,000 yards. Yeah, he's going to be. Is he over under that number? I think he's over.

[Andy Holloway]

I agree.

[Mike Wright]

He will be very interesting to see how people respond to the ADP Burns of last year. And but he's a major winner this year when coming out of the draft of being the only guy in an upgraded quarterback. If his ADP stays late it's going to be.

[Andy Holloway]

It will definitely stay late.

[Mike Wright]

Then you should, you should be targeting Calvin Ridley.

[Jason Moore]

I think I'm gonna get over it. I think I'm gonna let you two guys take that on for this year though.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not proclaiming league winning Calvary just saying this is the flex type player.

[Jason Moore]

Who I mean Jason's already got a dunes A so Mike, you're gonna have to go with Ridley. Jacksonville 4&13 last year they traded up. They made the big splash. They got the day started in a very excited way.

[Andy Holloway]

They busted everyone's mock drafts 10 minutes into the yeah.

[Jason Moore]

We did not get Travis Hunter's destination right.

[Andy Holloway]

And when you say we you mean 100% of everybody in the world.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Because it seemed like it was a done deal that he was going number two. And he did go number two. But what was surprising was that the Jacksonville Jaguars traded up and traded a lot. They did to get this. Hopefully star wide receiver and star cornerback for fantasy purposes. The most important thing is that it appears pretty definitive that he is going to be a impactful snap count offensive player for fantasy football.

[Mike Wright]

That's what I, at least I've seen that Cohen said like this is a. He's going to be offensive first and we're going to work him in on the defensive side of the football.

[Jason Moore]

And you know, some of the quick reactions on draft day was oh no, what happens to my Brian Thomas Jr.

[Mike Wright]

He soars on the wings of an eagle, my friend.

[Jason Moore]

So panic, you know for those. Okay. That's the calming words that people want to hear.

[Mike Wright]

He's fine. He's. Brian Thomas is a true number one. Like we're all really hopeful for Travis.

[Jason Moore]

Hunter but what's his ceiling to you as a rookie? Because I think that could be the other like you could swing the pendulum too far and say okay, Brian Thomas is even better because they've got this other wide receiver that's a weapon. But maybe ignore the weapon.

[Mike Wright]

Touchdown. Upside definitely moves up but it we haven't. We're about to dive into the stat docs the statistical breakdown for every player for the ultimate draft kit. I'm guessing that Travis Hunter will 8 he'll end up like a 800 yard type of a receiver.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's. That's probably the median outcome. I think if you're talking what is Travis Hunter's ceiling as a rookie you're probably talking around wide receiver 15. You know, he's got the ability to have big breakaway touchdowns. And you might hear that and think that that means that Brian Thomas Jr. Has a bad season. It absolutely does not. Is very common, very, very common for NFL teams to have two top 24 wide receivers in the same season and even two top 12 wide receivers from the same team. You know, you're not scared when you have Jamar Chase and T. Higgins.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

You're not scared when you have two great wide receivers for another team. Obviously they don't have Joe Burrow here. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I am scared of Trevor Lawrence being able to sustain two high level fantasy wide receivers. Not impossible.

[Jason Moore]

Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram anymore. They do still have Gabe Davis.

[Andy Holloway]

This could just be good for Trevor Lawrence.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah. He's a winner from the draft. When they invest in that. What's ironic too is that because they traded so many assets to go up and get Travis Hunter, it sort of eliminated them from a high draft capital running back decision.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

And so this was a team we thought. Like my prediction was Genti there at number five, which you know, Travis ETN and Tank Bigsby. You could bury them at that point. They did spend a fourth round pick on Bay Shul Tootin. Oh my God.

[Andy Holloway]

If you don't think on this show that I'm not giving a fart noise whenever we talk about Bashel Tooten.

[Mike Wright]

No, that was not a.

[Andy Holloway]

You're not dismissing no great player. Actually, I think he.

[Mike Wright]

Those are words of encouragement.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he's got.

[Mike Wright]

Speaking his language, great juice.

[Jason Moore]

He's a little guy.

[Andy Holloway]

He's a little guy. He's fast guy. Ran a 4, 3, 2 at the combine. I don't know if he picks up extra speed from the wind behind him or not, but, but he's a. He's a really, he's a really exciting prospect.

[Mike Wright]

Obviously these is like. Did you load up on beans, young man?

[Andy Holloway]

Right. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Come on.

[Andy Holloway]

Those pinto or black beans. What are we working with here? But yeah, I mean this is a player who last year in college, 1100 plus yards, 15 rushing touchdowns, runs four, three. A very exciting prospect. But it is fourth round.

[Mike Wright]

It is.

[Jason Moore]

This.

[Mike Wright]

This one's hard though because the running back class of this year in particular was so good that I don't blame teams for waiting till the fourth round to grab a guy. Like generally speaking, all historical data is if you're drafted in the fourth round or later at the running back position, your odds, your probability of ever emerging is it's drastically Lower than anyone drafted day one or two. Day two. However, Tootin's a.

[Andy Holloway]

He's a good player.

[Jason Moore]

And are you booting Travis ETN off your team?

[Mike Wright]

I will be very. I'll be very nervous to draft Travis Etienne in a region.

[Jason Moore]

I think we were nervous if no.

[Mike Wright]

One like this made it worse.

[Andy Holloway]

To me, yeah, I mean, he's still.

[Jason Moore]

A winner to me.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's how I see it too.

[Jason Moore]

I still look at him as a winner.

[Andy Holloway]

This allows Travis Etien to go into this season. He'll be the starter with. Exactly.

[Mike Wright]

He's going to be the starter and.

[Andy Holloway]

He'S going to have the chance to establish himself as a quality player the way he was two years ago. Still a young running back in Travis etn.

[Jason Moore]

So you got to hope he still has gas because, you know, Tutin does absolutely.

[Mike Wright]

Nice look.

[Andy Holloway]

Swish.

[Mike Wright]

And Tuton is. No, the two years at Virginia Tech. He was an excellent pass catching running back. So, like that's the issue for etn.

[Jason Moore]

If that's been a progressive issue for him for years.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, it has, but. And did the Jaguars pick up Tootin because they see we got a real big problem with this too.

[Andy Holloway]

We can't get away from it because it's his actual name. It's not like we're nicknaming him Tootin. And if his real name is Tootin.

[Mike Wright]

If he comes in and he takes some of that work away, you got an issue and neither tank nor ETN, that these aren't Liam Cohen's guys.

[Jason Moore]

Like ETN had 58 receptions in 2023. He showed he could catch a lot of passes. He had 39 last year. That's not the end of the world. It'll be interesting to see how it breaks down. But not having. Not drafting Genti or Hampton or one of these guys, not having a second round pick that you could use on one of them. I do think that that was a winner situation for him.

[Mike Wright]

It'll just be a slower fantasy death.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it could be. Have you guys seen Bashel talking about himself? Talking himself up?

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Jason Moore]

I'm so afraid of what you're gonna say.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Wait, he's tooting his own horn, baby. All right, let's move to the next team, please.

[Jason Moore]

I guess one of the situations you could look at is like, imagine that they were funny.

[Mike Wright]

It's not funny.

[Andy Holloway]

About two seconds. About two seconds.

[Jason Moore]

I knew you were saying it was bad.

[Andy Holloway]

It was bad. I apologize. Falkland, I'm sorry. From me to you. I'm sorry, but it's not.

[Jason Moore]

Was There more excitement around Ramondra Stevenson or ETN in a dynasty league before the draft.

[Andy Holloway]

Ramondre Stevenson.

[Jason Moore]

So it could have been a flip situation. Right. Like if Tutin went to New England and Henderson went to Jacksonville, 100%, we would be talking a different story. Henderson would have ended etn.

[Andy Holloway]

We got to be on a first name basis here with Bashel.

[Jason Moore]

Is that how you say his name? That's the problem.

[Mike Wright]

Bay Shul.

[Jason Moore]

It's Bashul.

[Andy Holloway]

Bashul.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. You're going to go right back to Tootin.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm tooting.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Colts at 8 and 9. First round pick Tyler Warren. Was that you saying me too?

[Mike Wright]

No, I said B. Tootin.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, okay. Tyler Warren, who was projected to be the number one overall tight end selected, ends up the second tight end selected at 14. He's amazing, though. He's a really, really good player. In fact, just like a general comment on the tight ends drafted in and where they went, I think we're. This is just a thing now. We've had two consecutive years where the rookie tight end is the number one overall for fantasy. For fantasy. I'm not saying that's happening this year, but Loveland and Warren both in the top 15 picks and then other. Other tight ends that I like going places that I like. You know, Mason Taylor with New York, I don't mind that. I think that that's an interesting spot.

[Andy Holloway]

I think Ferguson with the Rams is a good landing spot. Absolutely. The guy that I liked a lot, Harold Fannin Jr. Not such a good landing spot behind David Najoku, but at least he is a round three pick.

[Jason Moore]

Well, we know, you know, like Najoku, it takes eight to 10 years to form into a full tight end. But Warren in year one, the question that we all have is not whether he is a great player, it's whether his quarterbacks are good enough to get him the football. But we do have a case study here. We have a John Mackey award winner last year with no quarterbacks that broke fantasy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And Brock Bowers. So, you know, the potential is there because Titans make life really, really easy on the quarterback, no matter how good the quarterback is.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, a lot of people, I would say the majority of people have flip flopped the Dynasty Startup rankings between Loveland and Tyler Warren. I am still on the Tyler Warren ahead of Loveland side. I liked the film better. And yes, I do think Tyler Warren has a slightly worse quarterback situation. I mean, we don't know what the future of Caleb Williams is. Maybe he. Maybe he's great, but maybe He. And he just continues being mediocre.

[Mike Wright]

I know that he's better than Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson, but regardless, when.

[Andy Holloway]

I look at fantasy football tight ends that matter, there's not. There's not a ton of them, but when they matter, they are usually number one or number two on their depth chart. In targets, I mean, you know, they. You look at the rookie last year, Brock Bowers. Brock. Brock Bowers. He comes through and he has 140 plus targets because there's not a lot of other targets to go around. Whereas DJ Moore, Roma, Dunes, they bring in Luther Burden. That's a tough thing for Loveland to come in and be fantasy awesome. Even if he is the best tight end.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. He can come in and catch 41 meaningful downfield passes, help the Bears a ton and not be as good for. You're kind of. I think you're persuading me to, like, they're close. They're like back to back for me. I think you're right.

[Andy Holloway]

Tyler Warren could be the number two target.

[Jason Moore]

He could be the number one target.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, you've got Josh Downs and Michael Pittman there, so you're like, okay, it's not nobody, but certainly you're not afraid of that.

[Jason Moore]

No, I think you're right. They drafted D.J. giddens in the fifth round. Six foot, 212, running back out of Kansas State. 98th percentile explosiveness score.

[Mike Wright]

He's a fun player. We've spent quite a bit of time on DJ Giddens on the Dynasty podcast, the Round 5, and clearly behind Johnny Taylor. But like, Giddens, you know, they've been. They're. They're trying to figure out who their backup actually is. And I think there's a strong chance that it ends up being Giddens as. As the true insurance running back for Johnny Taylor. So he has value in your rookie drafts. Just don't expect him to be for sure starting for you.

[Andy Holloway]

You definitely want to get into him as your insurance pack.

[Jason Moore]

Dude, what are you doing? He is doing. Dude. It's worse when you laugh.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, I laughed because it was so bad.

[Jason Moore]

I just want to know how long you were searching.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, no.

[Jason Moore]

It was in the middle of Mike talking.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man, gives me a break. We got. Look, this is all new. Fresh names that we get to play with.

[Jason Moore]

This is more of a. Yeah, Jason's.

[Mike Wright]

A little boy in a sandbox.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what it feels like. Living his Tonkin trucks, looking up at the clouds, seeing shapes.

[Jason Moore]

It's just shopping, tooting. Yeah. Riley Leonard, quarterback out of Notre Dame, took him in the sixth. You know, it's worth just mentioning it because they don't what the future will be in Indianapolis. Sure, we'll see.

[Mike Wright]

That dude might get a starter too.

[Jason Moore]

But ultimately whoever is the quarterback benefits in Indianapolis. When you talk about winners and losers from the draft pick of Tyler Warren, we'll talk about the Texans and then we'll take a break. Well, let's, let's cover the Texans first so we can finish the division. Jaden Higgins in the second, this one's wild man. Jalen Noel in the third.

[Mike Wright]

Teammates from Iowa State.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, and Tim, you know Mike, you were kind of talking about this. Houston drafts a couple of whiteouts with pretty good draft capital. And we're sitting there, you know, Higgins is a big guy, six four, two, 14. This is a team that is telling us with their draft selections what their depth chart is like in reality. And Christian Kirk, they took a flyer on him, a veteran, bring him in. Not too different from Stefan Diggs last year, a one year trial. Except for Kirk is not as good as Diggs. We have a massive recovery that Tankdale has to undergo. That's. I mean, outside of Nico Collins, those were the guys that you had and they go out and they're saying, hey, we're going to reinvest on behalf of CJ Stroud. So when you talk about opportunity, Jason, these are a couple of names I think that probably added to what you said at the top.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, this is. You're going to have to call your shot and try to get it right whether Higgins or Noel ends up as the primary rookie wide receiver for this team. But you've got a great quarterback in C.J. stroud and a real need for these players to step up into the void left by Dell and Diggs. So good draft capital both day two picks. You can't be much happier with the landing spot for either of those guys. The only complaint is that it would be difficult to see them both dominating. You know what I mean?

[Jason Moore]

Like, was it the Dobbs Christian Watson combo draft? Were they in the same draft? I believe so.

[Mike Wright]

Second and fourth round.

[Jason Moore]

It just kind of reminds me a little bit of like I think maybe they did it a couple years in a row where they had a few names, different rounds and you. It's hard now to call the shot. I mean, obviously, I mean what, what are you, what is your shot call for these wide receivers? I guess I should say, you know.

[Andy Holloway]

Even though you like the most, even though Noel went second, I kind of like him better for the style of play if Dell can't come along. I mean, Jaden Higgins, you know, almost kind of reminds me, you know, a little bit of their, you know, the. He's a clone.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, he's a Nico.

[Andy Holloway]

Clone of Nico.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, a big six four, 214 pound deep field stretching. It's like, where's he going to fit in? In the off. I know where Jalen Noel's going to be. Jalen Noel come in. I think he could play the slot, you know, move outside runner.

[Mike Wright]

He has direct competition in front of him with Christian Kirk. Like Higgins will be a start a day one starter. I don't know if Noel will start day one.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, maybe. I mean, they both have competition in front of them. I would rather be competing with Christian Kirk than competing with.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, Tank Dell. Is that what you're going to say? Because I don't think Dell play.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I don't either.

[Jason Moore]

It's. It's good for CJ Stroud that they're finding more weapons for him, his production and the offenses ineptitude. They came with the injuries. You know, it was struggling all year. They let go of their offensive coordinator. We're gonna have a new OC coming in this year, so you're gonna see a lot of new things on offense. But I think not enough was made of losing digs, losing Tankdale. And then all of a sudden we're like, is C.J. stroud still good? It's like, okay, hard, hard situation.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And Nico was hurt last year as well, by the way. Yeah. Watson and Dobbs were together in a draft for Green Bay. Reed and Wicks were together in a draft. And then this year they did it this year again this year as well. We'll talk about them soon. All right. We'll take a break and then we'll move on to the AFC North. Oh, by the way, Tank Dell a fantasy loser because of this situation?

[Andy Holloway]

I think so, yes. I would definitely put him as a fantasy loser. There was also Woody Marks, running back in the fourth round who was drafted here. So getting a little bit of youth behind Joe Mixon. I don't view it as a negative for redraft for Joe Mixon, but you have to, you know, he's. He's older.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Just like in Jonathan Taylor situation. Figure out who the depth piece is. I will say this. There were articles coming out of Houston. There were rumors about them drafting a running back higher. Thinking about the next man after mixing. I think Mixon comes out of this pretty unscathed in a one year run, you know, which is how you're looking at things.

[Mike Wright]

I think there's a, there's probably a pretty strong chance that Marks moves up to be the number two guy. This is like he, he's got to beat out Damian Pierce, who, yeah, it seems like the coaching staff, I don't know why they let him back in the building.

[Jason Moore]

That's, that's harsh. We'll take a break. Be right back.

[Mike Wright]

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[Mike Wright]

He's the thick boy.

[Jason Moore]

Thick boy at Ohio State. And then you had Trayvon Henderson, the flashier multipurpose guy. And I, we were talking on the show. I kind of reminded you of the Nick Chubb at Georgia with Sony Michelle at Georgia. And those guys went in the same draft class. Sony Michelle went to New England and Chubb went to Cleveland. Lo and behold, Travion Henderson goes to New England and Quinshawn Judkins goes ahead of him. They had their pick of the two guys and they went with Judkins moving forward after Nick Chubb.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, this is a Nick Chubb replacement. They have been a team that is used to being able to hammer the ball with a big bodied back and a bruising offensive line and they wanted to do that again. They get as good. I was not as high on Quinchon Judkins as I know you. Andy and Kyle is a big Judkins believer. I liked the tape. I thought it was okay. I thought he was, you know, a little bit good at everything, but great at nothing. Kind of like a David Montgomery coming out of college. And there couldn't be a much better landing spot for him. His skill set. A team that, you know, wants to run the ball is used to having a guy like this on the roster. I thought it was. It was great. And if you didn't watch the draft, you might have missed him being the, I believe historically the only player to ever have missed his call from. The only one we have data from, that he missed the call from the team about to draft him because he has taken a dump. That's just a fact. I'm not even making a joke here. He was in the bathroom. The family had to Answer the phone. Because when you got, when you got to do your business, I mean do.

[Jason Moore]

Your business, did he just not think.

[Andy Holloway]

And then he went to the Browns?

[Jason Moore]

Okay, all right. You're, you're really, you're really on one today, Jason. I mean, this one really, your analysis is. Analysis.

[Mike Wright]

Oh my goodness.

[Jason Moore]

Judkins, look at. Oh, gosh. It keeps going. I love this.

[Mike Wright]

I think, you know, I think it's fabulous.

[Jason Moore]

Every year rookie running backs end up hyper relevant for fantasy. Not always the names you expect. I realized that. But how can you not love this situation? For Judkins, it's volume, opportunity, identity. I think as a team talent, you know, I agree with you. But goodness, if he was David Montgomery. If you put David Montgomery on the Browns, he's going to have a great season. So I'm very excited. He's a touchdown guy, so I don't know. I think this is one of the home run fantasy destinations.

[Mike Wright]

Mike, I'm in full agreement here.

[Jason Moore]

They did take another running back in round four. The running back room reshaped in Cleveland. Dylan Sampson went there. He's 5, 8, 200 pounds. A compliment type of situation. They took Harold Fannin Jr. In the third round. Very athletically gifted tight end out of Bowling Green. Probably a waiting, you know, if you're taking them in dynasty rookie drafts, you're waiting a while.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Harold Fannin, it was a faller and a loser to me. Even though you get the third round pick, he was, I believe, the sixth tight end taken off the board. That's not good. You end up behind David Najoku. That's not good. And you know, his combine testing was pretty disappointing. His production profile is great. That's usually less important for tight ends though.

[Jason Moore]

Five offensive draft picks in the first five rounds for the Browns and none of them wide receivers to take Cedric Tillman's job.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So if you look at Tillman and.

[Mike Wright]

Judy are winners and losers.

[Jason Moore]

They believe in Tillman. That's what it says to me.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. To draft two quarterbacks real quick on Najoku. This is his last year under contract.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Like next year is void. They're all void years ago.

[Andy Holloway]

That's good to know.

[Mike Wright]

And he'll be turning 30 next year, so yeah, you're going to be waiting. Most tight ends when you take them when you rookie draft, you're waiting.

[Jason Moore]

So when you're Ford, by the way, last year of his contract, Jerome Ford.

[Andy Holloway]

When you're in your rookie drafts, especially if you're in a super flex. But no matter what, like we, you know, we're doing some drafts now live on Sleeper and it has ADP from pre NFL draft. Like that's how all the ADP shows up for us. Scroll, scroll, scroll. And don't go by adp. We published our rankings out. If you've got the ultimate draft kit, use the Dynasty rankings there. Do not go by ADP because they are wildly different. But what you're going to see is you're going to see Shador Sanders, who has been being drafted in super flexes, you know, as a top five pick. And you're going. He was a fifth round pick behind another quarterback for this team. The faller of fallers. Like literally the. In the last eight years, the biggest consensus. Consensus faller. What is his outlook?

[Jason Moore]

It's wild to me because that was the story of the draft. Did you have a qualifier on the question?

[Andy Holloway]

Not at all. Go take it away. Please answer it.

[Jason Moore]

If you're going to be drafted in the fifth round behind another quarterback in the same draft, might as well go to the Browns where they have Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett. I mean, you do have a chance to emerge from the depth chart if you are what you say you are, right? Which we know the words of Shador Sanders more than the actions sometimes on the field. If you are what you say you are, you can win here. You should be able to win in that quarterback room.

[Andy Holloway]

And it's so hard because he is.

[Jason Moore]

A flyer that could work out at.

[Andy Holloway]

Quarterback, man, that is.

[Jason Moore]

And there are teams he could have gone to as a backup that would never happen.

[Andy Holloway]

Really difficult though, when he was the second quarterback drafted for this team, like would you.

[Jason Moore]

He's better than.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you draft Dylan Gabriel? Would you in fantasy football? No. No. Of course you would.

[Jason Moore]

No, because ceiling. I still believe the ceiling of Shador Sanders. The reason he was talked about as being a first round pick and at this time last year, a top two pick is because it was very clear that at his best he has a great ceiling. To me, Dylan Gabriel is an okay to good quarterback that has a backup ceiling in the NFL and that's how you draft. You know, there are. Jalen Milro, right. Like his situation is kind of interesting because you know, Sam Darnold, if Sam Darnold's cut in a year and he's got, he's got the rushing game.

[Mike Wright]

Real ceiling.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's got real ceiling. You know, and so that's how I look at it.

[Andy Holloway]

It's like it's just tough a day to pick on a quarterback that wasn't Shador Sanders. I'm personally going to do what the entire NFL did and I'm going to let someone else draft Shador.

[Jason Moore]

And I mean, did he go in our mock draft?

[Andy Holloway]

No, not in a three round single quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean it. Yeah. If you're the super flex. If you're in a super flex league and you, you want to throw a dart out there, there you go. You can. That's your choice.

[Andy Holloway]

You do you.

[Jason Moore]

I just, I didn't know if Mike had anything you wanted to add.

[Mike Wright]

No, but I'm in agreement of. This is. Of any of the spots. After what happened. It's. It seems like one of the very few where you can actually end up getting some starts Now.

[Andy Holloway]

Jerry Judy, like, is it good that you have five quarterbacks?

[Mike Wright]

Like, no.

[Andy Holloway]

Can that just the shotgun approach, like, may the best man win.

[Jason Moore]

Well, let's just be, let's, let's be real about it. Deshaun Watson's not playing football for them ever again.

[Andy Holloway]

Correct.

[Jason Moore]

Just delete him. It's fun to say they have five quarterbacks. They don't. They have. They have four. One of them is Joe Flacco. He's 600 years old, probably current leader. Yeah. One of them is Kenny Pickett. We've been here, we've done this. Yeah. One of them is Dylan Gabriel, rookie undersized out of Oregon. And then one of them should door Sanders. Like there is a non zero chance he's a starter on day one. Like legitimately. It's not impossible. It probably won't. It'll probably be Flacco. Yeah, it will, but it's not. Of all the places to fall to. It could be worse.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, go beat out Kenny Pickett.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Go be the. If you're the backup to start the season, you've got. And Joe, I mean, Joe Flacco goes. He's a statue. He's going to get sacked and you're going to get a snap. Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh did not take Shador Sanders. They had lots of opportunities to do so they went Will Howard in the sixth. They waited another round. It seems, you know, if you want to say fantasy winner for a player that's not actually on the roster, it's Aaron Rodgers. Because it seems like Aaron Rodgers, the odds of him being a Steeler went up after draft day.

[Andy Holloway]

The rumors, the reports were that the Steelers knew Aaron Rodgers answer 48 hours ahead of the draft. They didn't say what it was, but their actions kind of said they're confident with Mason Rudolph and they're not a dumb franchise. So I have to imagine Aaron Rodgers is on his way.

[Jason Moore]

So Caleb Johnson, that is the pick to talk about here. Third round draft pick out of Iowa. The running back doesn't have to change any of his. Like if he colors, if he themed his. Yeah. If he themed his Twitter page or something, he's good.

[Andy Holloway]

It is funny too because when I watched him, I've brought this comp up several times. The comp of Le'Veon Bell for Caleb Johnson. It's not so much the athletic profile or anything. Caleb Johnson is a sprint away from you down the field and you're not going to catch him. Get up to 22 miles per hour despite his 40 time. He's a fast player, but the patience behind the line, it reminded me a lot of what Love Bell used to do. He'd look like he's slow. He's not slow. He's smart.

[Jason Moore]

You liked him a lot. I was a little bit lower on him than you were. But how do you like the fit? I mean, Jaylen Warren has to be a player that, you know, he did not come out of this draft unscathed. He got the $5 million, but Caleb Johnson is going to be a threat to him in some capacity.

[Andy Holloway]

Earlier I think it was two weeks ago or something, we had a quick question. That was what player do you want to see drafted where? And my initial thing I wrote down in that draft, doc, was I wanted this pick. I wanted Caleb Johnson to the Steelers. And then I. Because Tomlin has always had that one back system until the last like year or two. And yeah, Jalen Warren's there, but that I think they want the system Tomlins had for, you know, darn near 20 years over the course of a lot of different running backs. So I love this. And then I remembered Arthur Smith and I was like, ah, you're just going to be all wacky. So my B plus.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I think the landing spot is great. It will be. I think it goes pretty quick to the split that Warren and Najee had. It was a bit more Warren because he started last year injured, so it took him some time to get going. But I mean neither will be elite for fantasy, but both will be usable players.

[Jason Moore]

You project Pittsburgh to be in the play winning football this year.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know how you bet against.

[Jason Moore]

It because that is always a big impact on that running back.

[Mike Wright]

He's still at zero losing seasons, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Correct. But what if he gets Aaron Rodgers?

[Mike Wright]

I mean, then you got to project.

[Andy Holloway]

A losing season It.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I mean, if it's Aaron Rodgers or Mason Rudolph, it is not a great question.

[Jason Moore]

Well, we don't have to take a long time with this team, but we can celebrate it a little bit. Cincinnati. Cincinnati didn't blow up any of our plans for Cincinnati.

[Mike Wright]

They did the right thing.

[Jason Moore]

Chase Brown's their guy.

[Andy Holloway]

This is what you want to see for the Bengals offense. You want to see him not draft a single wide receiver. And I'm fine with a six round running back backup. This was just don't touch what isn't broken. And they did.

[Jason Moore]

They didn't have the money to send anybody to the draft. After all the money they gave to T. Higgins and trying to figure it out for Hutchinson or not Hutchinson. Goodness.

[Mike Wright]

Huh? Henderson.

[Jason Moore]

No. The Bengals.

[Mike Wright]

Hendrickson.

[Jason Moore]

Hendrickson. Thank you.

[Mike Wright]

Hey, we did it.

[Jason Moore]

But yeah, no, they grabbed a running back in the sixth round. No big deal. Chase Brown's a big time fantasy winner.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

And it's exciting. It is. I'm becoming more addicted to the teams with stability year to year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Predicting players we've done it for. This is our 11th season. Very difficult. Really like it when there's elements that make it easier on us. We're not changing a coordinator. We don't have personnel changes all over the place. Turns out they must believe Zach Moss is enough to be a depth piece after they brought him back.

[Mike Wright]

I think with. With Moss and Taj Brooks, who they got in the sixth round, they're fine.

[Jason Moore]

Baltimore. Baltimore still has Mark Andrews under contract. Baltimore, for the first time in history drafted or the first time in a long time, drafted a kicker in the sixth round. So Justin Tucker's days may be done, but for a team that had apparently 9,000 picks, not a lot to talk about on the offensive side of the ball.

[Mike Wright]

No. They said we're okay here. We got to fix the defense.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So I mean, they went safety, edge, tackle, linebacker, tackle, kicker before they took an offensive piece.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, I think Mark Andrews really is the big winner.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He's on the roster and doesn't have to fight with any more.

[Jason Moore]

He's going to be on your roster for fantasy.

[Andy Holloway]

He will be on my Dynasty roster because I already have him in doing the Dynasty startup rankings because I've been more of the Mark Andrews apologist, I think, on this show.

[Jason Moore]

How far down is he?

[Andy Holloway]

He was surprisingly above or below Isaiah Likely. I have them back to back and currently I have Mark Andrews ahead.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'm going to throw Isaiah Likely and as a winner there too.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So I was going to say Rashad Bateman.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. No, that's fair. That's fair. New England. Oh, we did it. We got Trayvon Henderson off the board. Mike was waiting. Didn't get him in the first round. I believe the Bears had two picks immediately following the.

[Mike Wright]

They were immediately after I. The Patriots was out. The pick is in. I could see that. The Chicago Bears are next. I passed out. I lost like.

[Jason Moore]

Right. You lost consciousness.

[Mike Wright]

I lost consciousness for at least three to five minutes due to being so upset that the Bears were right there. Finally came to and I actually like this. I've been a big Henderson guy. I think the spot is awesome. Like long term. I really do like this spot. Partly.

[Jason Moore]

Partly.

[Mike Wright]

Partially.

[Jason Moore]

Partly.

[Andy Holloway]

Partly is.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know which one I was.

[Andy Holloway]

Trying to say you're going to go with Partly, though.

[Jason Moore]

Partly is right.

[Mike Wright]

The. I like what they did in the draft. I love Will Campbell 4. I think he's going to help that offensive line a ton. Henderson himself is a massive upgrade. And Kyle Williams, wide receiver in the third round is a. Like, he's a sneaky good player. And so just what they did there to upgrade things for Drake may thinking about this team, it. It might take them a year or two to get the engines moving again, but like we believe more in the coaching staff. Like the way. I mean these, these. These were the guys who got Derek Hendry on that run and got him going. So I do. I think long term, I think the spot is fantastic.

[Andy Holloway]

Anderson, I wanted to ask this question. So you've improved the off Chicago would have been better.

[Mike Wright]

But just saying like this is like, oh, the Patriots, Are you kidding me? But then after spending some more time with it, I was like, oh, when.

[Andy Holloway]

You'Ve only got four wins and you got the fourth pick, you expect to be a crappy franchise. But with that fourth pick, having an offensive line bolstered, you bring in Mike Vrabel, you add Treveon Henderson. I was talking earlier this morning with some of the other guys in the studio. What do you think is.

[Mike Wright]

I think Kyle just blew it for you.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no. I'm wanting to know what your guys's projection for the New England Patriots win total next year. Not what the line is. I could give two farts.

[Jason Moore]

I'd go about eight and a half.

[Andy Holloway]

Is that what the actual line is? I have no clue.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. So where would you go on that? That's higher than I thought it would be.

[Jason Moore]

I would go below.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm tempted to go on the above. I think this could be a sneaky good team.

[Jason Moore]

I would take, I mean that's fine.

[Mike Wright]

I'd go under eight and a half but point being like when you're in your rookie drafts, if they come out here and win seven games this year and you're just. The ship could be righted faster than.

[Jason Moore]

Well they did. We had thought they paid Ramon Ray, they gave him a four year contract and so strange. Travion is not. One of the reasons he didn't go in the first round, he didn't go to the Chargers, he didn't go to Cleveland is because it works with a, you know, a bigger bodied Ramandre Stevenson and then a more versatile jack of all trades type of Trayvon Henderson. That tandem works. So projected to be a winning team. No. So that's, that's a discount on my view of Henderson in year one. Explosive player, lot to work through on offense. It's going to be tough in year one. I mean I, I'm willing to, I'm willing to believe a little bit of what you're saying about it being a better long term destination and you need to believe in talent and things like that. But right now we, what we do know is that he will not be the full time starter and he will not be on a team that's projected to win more than they lose.

[Mike Wright]

Correct. And the. Another bonus here and it hurts from Andre so much.

[Jason Moore]

He's such a big fantasy loser.

[Mike Wright]

But when you, when you factor in like this is Vrabel's team like Travion Henderson is an elite pass protector and he doesn't fumble like these are, these are traits that Mike. That Vrabel is going to quickly fall in love when. If you get a Ramon Dre fumble early on in the season and you will. That could, that could be the flip right there.

[Jason Moore]

But it's very possible to me that Henderson is the Gibson role of this year.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

For that team because that's what he does. He can pass protect. He's still small, he's still an undersized back compared to a lot of the backs that you see get a big workload. So wide range of outcomes in year one for me with a, with a bright future.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Dynasty wise. Ramondre Stevenson's four year deal the last two years have no dead cap money. So really 26 is the last year where they cut them.

[Jason Moore]

And I know we're different on this Mike. I have Judkins ahead of Henderson in my rookie running back rankings. So I like his profiling as a main back.

[Mike Wright]

I Think that the Judkins spot is probably a little bit better for this year but I have Henderson just ahead of Judkins of trying to project out long term pass catching and things like that.

[Jason Moore]

Who do you have hired?

[Andy Holloway]

I went back and forth and back and forth. I've got Henderson ahead.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we'll take a break and be right back.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

The New York Jets. Not a ton to talk about here. Mason Taylor. I do like him. Second year or second round tight end out of lsu. Mike, you don't.

[Andy Holloway]

There's just.

[Mike Wright]

Just absolute zero out of ten on the dog meter.

[Jason Moore]

That was your Mason Taylor evaluation.

[Mike Wright]

Yep, that's my Mason Taylor.

[Jason Moore]

Some. Some dogs, they rest until they get to the. You know, to the big.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, look, obviously the NFL like.

[Jason Moore]

I mean with no dog to go in the second round.

[Mike Wright]

I know. I. The NFL liked him. I'm not saying I'm right. I'm saying I won't be on my teams.

[Jason Moore]

Well, he. Yeah, he was a productive collegiate tight end. That's going to. You know, Tyler Conklin's gone. That was 72 targets last year. Weapons. Outside of Garrett Wilson, there aren't a lot of them. I just, for some reason I just like the landing spot.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, no, it's not a bad landing spot. I don't know that you love the quarterback situation here with Justin Fields, but this is a pros son at tight end which is he should start, he should start and he really like when I look at my notes when I scouted him I, you know, I basically said this is a pro style, this is an NFL player, this is a pro tight end. He's going to be exactly where he's supposed to be every play and do what he's supposed to do. He did. He didn't strike me as elite or game breaking. So for fantasy I don't see him. Honestly. You can pretty much be like oh, Tyler Conklin was a player we would start, you know, as a streaming candidate over the last couple of years. It's like, hey, this is a good conch week. I think we're going to have those weeks with Mason Taylor. I don't think he's going to be someone that's like oh wow, he's the tight end rookie that broke out.

[Jason Moore]

It'd be hard for me to classify Justin Fields as a winner just because I don't feel like they added a difference making offensive weapon.

[Mike Wright]

I mean he's him offensive line, he's sure.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean that, that should help.

[Mike Wright]

I think that the jets were one of those teams where you would not have been surprised if they took one of the quarterbacks in the second round.

[Andy Holloway]

I think I would have, I had Jalen Milroe.

[Jason Moore]

I think I would have been surprised this year.

[Andy Holloway]

I projected Milroe to come here incorrectly.

[Mike Wright]

There was.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

What an idiot.

[Andy Holloway]

If we want to talk picks, I.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah Jason, by a lot.

[Jason Moore]

We don't want to talk picks though. Sorry.

[Mike Wright]

But in Garrett Wilson too there was, this was one of the teams where they thought hey, maybe a high profile, high profile pass catcher is going to go here. But the Justin Fields throwing 150 targets at Garrett Wilson. How many are catchable? I don't know, six. But there's going to be 150 plus targets.

[Jason Moore]

No breeze hall, you know, Jason kicked him off his team. He's going to be set up for success.

[Andy Holloway]

Miami, go be free young man.

[Jason Moore]

Miami didn't do much on. I don't really have strong opinions on anything that happened during the draft.

[Andy Holloway]

They got their quarterback of the future.

[Jason Moore]

You know, they went interior offensive line, they went D tackle, they went D line, they corner safety. Ali Gordon dropped dude late six round.

[Andy Holloway]

I think a big fantasy winner here. So Ollie Gordon ii, he was a player That a lot of draft Twitter love Kyle.

[Mike Wright]

Could he have gone into the draft last year and he made the decision.

[Jason Moore]

He was just a sophomore.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

So.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

But a lot people were wondering, you know, will this be could he sneak into a day to pick a top three, you know, rounds his sophomore year.

[Mike Wright]

So two years ago at OK State, 1700 rushing yards and 21 touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

He's a big boy. I did not fell apart the next year. Yeah. I did not love his tape. I watched the most recent season always and he didn't look good. This last year fell to the sixth round and so even though they did add a running back here I don't like Devon Hn I think is a big winner.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

This was a team that had a lot of mock drafts where you could have seen them add an impactful day two style running back here. And they waited to the sixth round.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it was fortunate that they had. I mean they only had a first and a second. They didn't have a third, a fourth. And you avoided him getting, you know, messed up for fantasy Buffalo.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, next team.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, look, Buffalo is going to their setup and it wasn't through the draft. Their offense, we know what it is. They went defensive heavy first five rounds.

[Andy Holloway]

Cornerback, D line edge, D line, cornerback, cornerback, offensive tackle. In the sixth, I mean they got a. This is not fantasy relevant. What is fantasy relevant is kind of like what we were saying with the Bengals continuity on offense.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

You know that, you know, you know, kind of the wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

If you add Joshua Palmer to a team, you don't need to add anybody else.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh yeah. You saw the GM here.

[Jason Moore]

Oh yeah. He was mad. He was mad. He's like, you guys all were complaining about Josh Allen. You wanted Josh Rosen and now you're complaining we didn't add a wide receiver. Yeah, they're going to be fine.

[Andy Holloway]

They're fine.

[Jason Moore]

AFC west welcome home. Ash and Genty goes number six overall to the Raiders. They also spent a second round pick.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, they did.

[Jason Moore]

Jack Besh wide RECEIVER, tcu if you've.

[Mike Wright]

Turned into tuned into the Dynasty podcast at all during this off season, you know that we have as a collective group fallen in love with Jack Besh. We thought just like it. It's a later breakout. But that last year at TCU of like this, this is a dude who absolutely gets it done. He's open all the time, making tough blocks against zone coverage, 3.1 yards per route run like he was this player that we all were, were in love with and kept having to say oh, man. I don't know what the NFL is going to think about this player and. But this was where everything united. I mean, to the Raiders who desperately need another wide receiver like the Raiders.

[Jason Moore]

Are who have a quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

The Raiders are so fun now.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

This Raiders offense has. I don't know if.

[Jason Moore]

Are you ready to root for Chip Kelly?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yes.

[Jason Moore]

Are you okay with that?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I am.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm all the way.

[Mike Wright]

Kelly gave us fantasy goodness when he was around.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I gave us a lot of different things.

[Andy Holloway]

Brock Battle.

[Mike Wright]

I don't care if he wins.

[Andy Holloway]

Jack Besh, Ashton Genty is a young, awesome core. You throw in Jacoby Myers as just a quality NFL veteran. This should be an offense with Geno Smith that provides a lot of fantasy.

[Jason Moore]

Goodness so that Geno gets a bump up with just Genti and Besh for sure. So that's. That is. It is going to be a fun team.

[Andy Holloway]

And they had two tackles picked in on day two. So this is. They went pretty heavy on offense.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, the Denver Broncos. This was what we were on Henderson watch at pick 20 in the first round. Mike was anticipating it. It didn't happen. They end up drafting RJ Harvey out of UCF pick 60 in the draft. Somebody that Sean Payton came out and said he watched the film of for hours. I went and watched the film of RJ Harvey. You know, the small school storyline. You know, this is. This is an interesting opportunity for this guy.

[Andy Holloway]

He is super old for a running back coming in.

[Mike Wright]

He's 24 years old.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, that is. I want my rookies to play their entire rookie season. Like, I hope that they play their entire rookie season at 21. Yeah, 22 is like, okay, that's pretty normal.

[Jason Moore]

What did he lose? 2? 23, right?

[Andy Holloway]

24. He's 24 years old.

[Jason Moore]

He lost one to Covid and he lost one to an ACL tear. So I'm just saying the reason why he's that old.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. But no one didn't lose the COVID year. Well, he did not. Everyone is so.

[Jason Moore]

But I mean in terms of college eligibility and playing more seasons, so 2020.

[Mike Wright]

He only appeared in two games.

[Jason Moore]

It's not an excuse. I'm telling you the facts.

[Mike Wright]

Right. 21, no season data, and then three years of being a pretty strong player.

[Andy Holloway]

So it was funny. You talked about Sean Payton and how he was talking. So he. In his. In his press conference, he was talking about how they were looking at Genti and they were, you know, they really liked Genty, but they were like, you know, that's unrealistic. He's not going to be there. So they're looking at all these running backs because they knew they needed a back and which back were they going to fall in love with at different parts of the draft. And they could have taken Henderson or Amari and Hampton or Judkins.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Like they were all there and they. This was their target. This was the guy that they were saying, I want him later in the draft. And they picked them ahead of where I think most people expected him to go. I really, really liked his tape before the NFL draft. He reminded me of.

[Jason Moore]

Do you like the 22 touchdowns and 1600 yards on the ground last year?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, he's great. He could catch the ball. Honestly, he's probably the biggest riser in fantasy. In fantasy drafts from pre draft to post draft. This is the name to know. RJ Harvey.

[Jason Moore]

I like it.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't go by adp.

[Jason Moore]

He's not a big boy. He's very undersized and I will not be surprised.

[Mike Wright]

Brittle old bones.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean this team. Yeah. Because of his age. Yeah. First time we've done a brand new rookie who's never played in the elderly home.

[Andy Holloway]

How old is Javante Williams?

[Mike Wright]

He's got to be like 65. I'm going to go 20.

[Jason Moore]

25. Yeah. 2025.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He's one year old.

[Jason Moore]

Wow. But look, it's going to be a committee there. That's the thing. There will be a committee backfield. It's not going to be RJ Harvey. There's going to be other backs involved. Last year you saw it a ton. Lots of different backs getting involved. We had a bidet involved. Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And so it's just about how much of the responsibilities that matter to Sean Payton can this young man handle? Can he pass protect? That's going to be a big storyline for Bo Nix. They also spent a third round pick on Pat Bryant out of Illinois. 62204 wide receiver.

[Mike Wright]

It's another one like the Kyle Williams draft where this guy's name wasn't necessarily heavy on the radar for people, but the production of his final season is. It's really strong. You're talking a 43% dominator rating, which means he accounted for 43% of his team's receiving yards and receiving touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he had 17 touchdowns over the last two seasons. A really good player whose name you probably didn't know before the NFL draft because it wasn't talked about a lot. Both of these guys, RJ Harvey and Pat Bryant are massive to me above where they were ADP guys post NFL draft.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I would expect in the backfield Audrey estimate who they did draft last year will be heavily involved. And then Jalil McLaughlin takes a big L with the addition of RJ Harvey.

[Mike Wright]

I think if you're talking about a committee, Harvey seems like the guy that takes McLaughlin snaps.

[Jason Moore]

That's exactly right. I agree. Bo Nicks get him a couple weapons helps him out. Moving to the Chargers.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh baby.

[Jason Moore]

Pick 22, Omarion Hampton, who was outside of Genti. My favorite running back. I believe Jason's as well.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep, for sure.

[Jason Moore]

And goes to a situation here where Najee's on a one year deal. I think I said this on the live stream. I'm so pleased that I can dislike Najee for fantasy again because it was a little brief little window here from the end of the season to now. I had to acknowledge his upside. I'm hoping to discourage his upside.

[Andy Holloway]

I am old enough to remember a couple months ago when Mike the fantasy hitman. Right.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Said should the Chargers draft someone on day two, that's a quality back. You think that by the end of the season he will have the starting job over Najee Harris?

[Mike Wright]

I do, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And they drafted an awesome back and they did it first round. So I know a lot. There are legitimate concerns of year one. What is this going to look like with Najee Harris on the roster. But I do, I think by the end of the year you're going to have an Omarion Hampton takeover. And then for dynasty purposes going forward with G Row and Harbaugh's offense and the three back quality, they drafted a guy who is supposed to be on the field every play like that is what they went after. So I don't think they're looking to have this be, you know, bring another back in to share time with him next year. I think this will be Hampton.

[Jason Moore]

The Hampton was it Michael Carter, Breeze hall that we enjoyed in year one.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I mean Najee is a good player. Najee is going to have a role in the goal line and that could, that could hurt Hampton a little bit from a fantasy production standpoint. But this is not a long term plan. Harris is not a long term plan for the Chargers and we spent all last offseason with Gus Edwards as the lead man and J.K. dobbins behind him. I love Hampton. If I didn't believe in the talent, maybe you know, I'd be more worried. The.

[Mike Wright]

My. My only question for him long term and he's, he's he's my 102. I'm not going to fight against the the landing spot is great in the first round draft capital versus the other guys. The question for him long term to me is will the touchdowns flow enough to account for pass catching and or do they change the Greg Roman system up and we get some actual targets here because looking at the breakdown of last year like J.K. dobbins in 13 games so when he was actually playing he saw 8% of targets and 8% target share is that won't turn you into an elite player unless you're compensating by you're getting 12 plus rushing touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

It won't turn you into an elite player but it is certainly not a lack of targets that stops you from being a top 10 type of running back.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm talking like Ken Hampton. People love Hampton of they're like this is he will be with Genti. He will be a top five type of a dynasty running back. And I'm saying does the offense allow him to die?

[Jason Moore]

Dobbins last year missed four games and was the running back 23. So you know he missed some time. I think the system is just too good.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And you know you have seen obviously a completely different system but you've seen Austin Eckler with Justin Herbert.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

The get out of 100 targets and Hampton is a great pass blocker and a great pass catcher. So I do think you're going to have Justin Herbert utilize him in all facets of the game and I, you know this is to me a pretty much a top five dynasty running back right now.

[Jason Moore]

They, they also spent a second round pick on Malik Neighbors high school quarterback also known as wide receiver Trey Harris.

[Andy Holloway]

My man. It was a good, it was, it was a good second round for us dynasty pod bros because you've been, you've been loving Besh. I've been loving Trey Harris. Last year I loved Troy Franklin and he fell to the fourth. It was like okay, well you're dead to me. This year it was Trey Harris and he got picked. Oh oh baby. He got picked at pick to Justin Herbert on a team that needs an Alpha one on the outside like I love lad McConkey but Ladd McConkey is not the number one. You know he's not your, your classic X receiver, right?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Right now they have Quinton Johnson. They have added Mike Williams back to the roster. They have Trey Harris in the second round. They spent a fourth round pick on Lambert Smith out of Auburn. They're trying to Solidify the weapons. I did think that this was a team that might take a shot at one of the big tight ends. That didn't happen. So you know we do have the Disley still there, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

So I mean talk about big winners for the draft.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, big winners is Big Montana Will Disley. Wow, he's a winner.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah baby.

[Mike Wright]

I mean they have Kyle's reminding us they have Conklin guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Shut up, Kyle.

[Jason Moore]

You know the nice thing about Disley is he doesn't ever care who he's on the roster with.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

He just somehow does stuff. But Justin Herbert a big winner. Adding you know a great running back. I mean their off season adding Hampton and Harris helps so much. Another second round pick at the wide receiver position. Signing Mike Williams. This is a team that's. They're set up. Yeah that you know you can like Las Vegas all you want but getting by the Chiefs and getting by the Chargers getting by the Broncos. That's going to be a tough, tough. Ask one more team.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a good division the Chiefs.

[Jason Moore]

Well, fourth round wide receiver Jalen Royals.

[Mike Wright]

In the fourth it's I obviously we want to like the location of the Chiefs. We need them to actually get back to being the high powered Kansas City Chiefs. But I will still error on the side of this is a good landing spot because you have a great quarterback and Jalen Royals is a. Is a good wide receiver like his his behind the scene metrics are strong. It's just where can he get on the field like with Rice and Worthy in front of him, Hollywood in front of him. He'll be a depth piece for them. But should a should the bat signal go off for Jalen Royals I think that he'll be able to come.

[Jason Moore]

Isn't Juju back in Kansas City is he seriously?

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know. I don't remember that. But he is.

[Jason Moore]

I'm pretty sure he's.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah Kyle just my juju notifications are off.

[Jason Moore]

They feel to me this is. We didn't spend until the fourth round on an offensive player so your running back room and your wide receiver room we feel okay with.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Isaiah Pacheco is a winner now. I don't think he is set up the way he was last year. Right. They already brought in Elijah Missile and they have Hunt who they basically had usurp him last season. So Isaiah Pacheco is not just set up for success but he is definitely a big winner from this draft. There were a lot of talk, you know a lot of mocks had if Travion Henderson fell to the Chiefs. I thought the Chiefs might take him. They had the chance and they bypassed. So he comes out unscathed with an opportunity to reclaim what he went into last year having.

[Jason Moore]

So yeah, it. That's it. We made it through all of the AFC teams. We'll do the NFC Draft recap, winners and losers on Thursday. It's a good time to remind you what we said at the top the Dynasty Pass the updates. They should all be live now. And you know we've been breaking down all of our dynasty startup rankings, our rookie rankings, the two quarterback league rankings. A lot going on right now and then we'll be digging in for the UDK release which is a month away. Basically the full udk releases on June 1st. So very excited about that. But that's it for today's show. Thank you for joining us. We'll be back very soon and you know, get my Hampton jersey.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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