Player Price Check + Bad Trade Offers

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary Episode: Player Price Check + Bad Trade Offers
Release Date: June 4, 2019

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Bad Trade Offers

The episode kicks off with a deep dive into handling subpar trade proposals within fantasy football leagues. Hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright discuss strategies to navigate and improve the quality of trade offers you receive.

• Responding to Bad Trades:
  Andy suggests, “[...] you have to hit them back with something worse. [...] why don't we talk about something real now?” (04:57). This tactic aims to convey disapproval and prompt more thoughtful offers from league mates.

• Improving Communication:
  Jason emphasizes the importance of external communication channels, recommending tools like Marco Polo and Slack to facilitate better discussions outside the platform’s limited messaging system (06:24, 06:57). This approach can help league members negotiate more effectively and reduce the frequency of poor trade proposals.

• Rejecting Persistently Bad Offers:
  Mike shares his method of consistently rejecting bad offers, noting that perpetually declining low-quality trades prevents better deals from materializing. He humorously recounts how some members react when he finally accepts a substantial trade after a series of rejections (07:30).

Player Price Check

The hosts transition to analyzing the Average Draft Position (ADP) of various players, assessing whether they represent good value picks for the upcoming fantasy season.

LaShawn McCoy (RB, Buffalo Bills)

• Consensus ADP: 8th round (22:40)
• Discussion:
  Andy expresses skepticism about McCoy’s performance, citing his decreased usage and efficiency last season. Jason and Mike debate his potential, with Mike placing him at a much lower ADP (52) due to concerns about his workload and effectiveness (25:22, 25:36).

Vance McDonald (TE, Pittsburgh Steelers)

• Consensus ADP: 7th round (32:30)
• Discussion:
  The trio evaluates McDonald’s role, highlighting his potential to replace Jesse James. They consider his athletic profile and the Steelers' offensive dynamics, ultimately agreeing that he offers reasonable value at his current draft position (32:37, 35:52).

Dante Moncrief vs. James Washington (WR, Pittsburgh Steelers)

• Consensus ADP: 13th round (29:46)
• Discussion:
  Andy values Moncrief highly for potential breakout performances, while Jason and Mike have differing views on his consistency and role in the Steelers’ offense. Jason forecasts Moncrief as a sneaky late-round pick with upside (30:18, 31:58).

LaTavius Murray (RB, New Orleans Saints)

• Consensus ADP: 32nd round (38:16)
• Discussion:
  Andy and Jason assess Murray’s dual role as a regular RB and a potential backup if Alvin Kamara faces injuries. They agree that Murray presents significant upside, especially in goal-line opportunities, making him a valuable late-round or bench stash (38:16, 39:56).

Jarvis Landry (WR, Cleveland Browns)

• Consensus ADP: 30th round (46:01)
• Discussion:
  The hosts debate Landry’s fantasy value amid his inconsistent target distribution and the emergence of other receivers on the Browns’ roster. Andy remains cautious, preferring more reliable targets over Landry at his current ADP (46:01, 47:12).

News Impacting Player Valuations

Todd Gurley (RB, Los Angeles Rams)

• News: Rams GM Les Snead confirms Gurley will not play in the preseason, raising concerns about his future performance and workload (10:50).
• Discussion:
  Andy expresses frustration as a dynasty owner holding Gurley, questioning whether he will remain a valuable asset given the uncertainty surrounding his role and potential injuries. The hosts debate Gurley’s drop in ADP and whether he now offers good value if he remains healthy (11:22, 13:53).

Damian Williams (RB, Kansas City Chiefs)

• News: Chiefs’ offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy declares Williams as the starting RB, eliminating a committee approach (14:34).
• Discussion:
  The trio considers the implications for fantasy managers, noting Williams’ potential to be a top-tier RB if he secures consistent carries. They weigh his usage against other Chiefs running backs and the overall offensive strategy (15:41, 16:33).

Adam Humphries (WR, Jacksonville Jaguars)

• News: Humphries turns down a Patriots offer to stay with the Jaguars, citing loyalty to the Tennessee Titans (17:56).
• Discussion:
  The hosts analyze the impact of Humphries’ decision on both teams’ offensive dynamics and his fantasy value. They consider how remaining with the Jaguars could affect his role and target share, while also reflecting on the Jaguars’ wide receiver depth (17:56, 19:41).

Mailbag Highlights

The episode features listener questions addressing common fantasy dilemmas.

Slot vs. Outside Receivers

• Question: Impact of receivers moving to the slot on their fantasy performance.
• Discussion:
  The hosts agree that slot receivers typically receive more targets and are better for PPR leagues but may have lower yards per reception and touchdown opportunities. They caution against overestimating the value by comparing them to historical slot stars like Wes Welker (53:16, 55:02).

Julio Jones vs. James Conner

• Question: Should a manager keep Julio Jones or James Conner in a half-point PPR league?
• Discussion:
  Andy advocates for Julio Jones due to his consistent elite performance, while Jason and Mike consider the potential upside and positional value of Conner. They ultimately suggest choosing based on league dynamics and availability of reliable running backs (58:22, 60:01).

Roster Management Post-Rookie Draft

• Question: Best practices for managing rosters between the rookie draft and the regular season.
• Discussion:
  Andy advises making necessary roster cuts immediately after the draft to allow flexibility for trades and waiver pickups during the season. Jason and Mike support maintaining an open and active transaction period to enhance team competitiveness (55:13, 57:00).

Notable Quotes

• Andy Holloway: “You have to hit them back with something worse. That sends the message you can both offer stupid trades. Why don't we talk about something real now?” (04:57)

• Jason Moore: “Build another communication system into that.” (06:07)

• Mike Wright: “Vance McDonald becomes sensational in the target department.” (34:32)

• Andy Holloway: “James White's going to have an excellent year.” (41:00)

Conclusion

The hosts wrap up the episode by encouraging listeners to engage with their community and utilize resources like the Ultimate Draft Kit, which also supports St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. They remind fans to check out their sponsors and upcoming live shows for additional fantasy insights and camaraderie.

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Timestamps

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Transcript

[A]

Hey, Foot clan. The Fantasy Footballers Podcast is proud to partner with St. Jude Children's Research Hospital this season. Together, we can help end childhood cancer and ensure families never receive a bill from St. Jude for treatment, travel, housing or food. Because all a family should worry about is helping their child live. $1 of every ultimate Draft kit sold will go directly to St. Jude Children's Research Hospital to support its mission, finding cures, saving children. Hey, this is wayne from the 2K.

[B]

All in fantasy League in Suzhou, China, and you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.

[A]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from pristineauction.com studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[B]

Ah. Welcome in. Once again, welcome into the Fantasy Footballers. A tip of Mike's cap to all of you.

[C]

It's very gentlemanly.

[B]

Yeah, no, that was. That was the. Very respectful.

[C]

That was. I just hit a grand slam.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Rounded the bases, went back to my own dugout. But the people were just insatiable. They needed to see my face again. I came out and I said, thank you one and all.

[B]

Yeah. I'm so patrons of this ballpark. I'm so amazed. I was just going to let you keep going because the fact that you comprehend things that happen in baseball.

[C]

Oh, come on. I was a baseball fan in a different life.

[B]

So you take the cap off, you shake it, or you just give that.

[C]

You give the tip, I pull it down.

[A]

That's where you're wrong. You're taking the cap off. That's baseball. The tip of the cap, that's a 10 gallon cowboy.

[C]

You can do both.

[A]

Where you're saying, ma'am, howdy, partner. Howdy, partner.

[C]

When you take the cap off, like, if I were to take the cap off, like right now, you would see.

[A]

No, put it back on, Mike, there's.

[C]

A reason I'm wearing a ball cap on.

[B]

Are you starting to panic? Because what happens is occasionally on this show, Mike will have a hat on. And I know that if he has it on for more than two days, I know exactly what's happening. Yes, it is hat week.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And that means that Mike has a countdown to his next haircut and he's just committed to the hat until that time my hairstylist left me. Yeah, I was gonna say, you're in trouble now because you told me. Your hairstylist is gone, guys. And a week has gone by and you've still got the beak comber on.

[C]

It's gonna be two months. We'll go on, and then I'm just gonna Come up with a shaved head. Some people gave up.

[A]

I couldn't figure it out.

[B]

You won't go back to the man bun. You'll go to pure shaved head.

[A]

Maybe some local super stylist. We'll reach out.

[B]

Oh, that's what you're doing.

[C]

It's very particular the way that I get the hair.

[B]

I have no doubt about that. Welcome into the show. Today we have a great episode for you getting your fantasy team ready to rumble for 2019. We have a little bit of. A little bit of ADP fun in store for you today. We're going to look at the average jab position of a number of players and do a little ADP price check. And we don't know exactly where these players are going. I mean, obviously where we keep up with it. But Brooks has put the up to the moment average draft position on a number of players. We're going to try to guess where we think they're going, whether we think that's a good value, where we have them ranked. And we'll talk through all of that on the show today. Be sure to visit the show over on Twitter. Where do they find us, Mr. Moore?

[A]

At the Ffballers on Twitter. That I do know.

[C]

Yeah, I got a little scared for you. Yeah, I wasn't sure you were ready.

[B]

This is show 723. If he doesn't know our Twitter handle by now, well, you will never, ever know me. Find us on YouTube. Watch the show. Subscribe. Click the bell YouTube.com the fantasy footballers were on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts. Ad free on Stitcher Premium. You can listen to us everywhere for free. It is fun. All right, here's the quick question of the day. Mike, Jason. Here we go. Justin. In Tennessee, there are a couple of teams in my dynasty league and their trade offers are. Well, they're just not very good at all.

[A]

Hate that.

[B]

Yeah, we know those people. One of them I know very well. I look at him in the mirror every day. What's a good, nice way to get people to actually send meaningful and decent trade offers? Or do I just need to keep declining them and hope that they get the hint?

[A]

You got to hit them back with something worse. That's my go to.

[B]

That's what you do.

[A]

That's. Look, I'd like Dalvin Cook and juju Smith Schuster for Larry Fitzgerald. And it sends the message. It says we can both offer stupid trades. Why don't we talk about something real now?

[B]

That can backfire, though.

[A]

Certainly you can burn.

[B]

No, they can. Somebody that delusional. If you send that offer, they'll be like, oh, so you want to trade Larry? Let's get us talk. Let's talk about Larry. They might not get it.

[A]

If that offer enticed them to Larry, I would say yes. Yes, I do. Let's talk. You know, I mean, the reality is you're not going to trade with someone on a bad offer. So you have to say something. Just quietly rejecting, rejecting, rejecting and constantly getting bad offers is never going to get a trade to go through because the good offer isn't going to come.

[B]

Very few good trades come by leaning on the in platform system only. You don't get a lot of great trades done by just sending an offer and waiting. That's why when we tell you about how to build a league the right way with the right people, we always say, hey, look, build another communication system into that.

[C]

Gotta be able to dm.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, Sleeper does a good job of that in platform, better communication. But you know, we've also suggested go create a Facebook group. Do whatever it takes to see. I'm gonna bring something up here. I haven't even used it. I hear there's an app out now. Have you heard about this? It's called Marco Polo.

[A]

I have not.

[B]

You ever heard of that?

[A]

I heard of the game.

[B]

I know nothing about this app. Someone showed it to me the other day. This is not a sponsor. This app might be horrible for all I know.

[C]

What are you doing?

[B]

But this app, it lets you do group, like video, text, back and forth and you can do them as a group so your whole league can be leaving back and forth. It's like text messaging, but with videos. Something like that might be fun. You need to be able to have some context to shape the offer is what I'm saying.

[A]

Slack is another good option. I know we've got some of our leagues in there.

[B]

If I wanted to encourage better trades, I would get on the horn with them in one way or another and say, look, I'd love to do a trade with you, but this is hogwash.

[C]

I used to be the send the terrible trade offer back. I've just. I'm old and I don't care anymore, so I just, I just reject them. But I have had people where it's just, it's garbage, garbage, garbage, garbage. Oh, hey, look. Yeah, trades done and, and then when I accept it, like immediately because I, I know I want to do the trade. That's very funny because that's when the DMs. Oh, they're.

[B]

Not happy about that.

[C]

That's when they come in and be like, wait a minute, you always reject all my trades. Why did you accept this trade? What have I done wrong? And then you just cackle like a maniac.

[A]

Now there is also the world where I think that the majority of people who make bad trades to start are maybe not majority, but there is a good percentage of people that when they're making bad trades, it's because they're going, I'm going to finish there. But I don't want to start with this trade offer, right? So like I'm going to start a little worse so I can finish and then it just gets rejected. So I recommend offer a trade that can be accepted. Don't offer a trade that has to be negotiated. But you can argue on the other side of that that if you receive a bad trade, maybe that's just a starting point for a negotiation. Send a counter back that you like.

[B]

I like where Mike's head is at. The other person should feel real self conscious about the fact you accepted the trade. I like it when somebody goes, wait, what? Huh? You said yes. Way too quick. I want to take it back now. You heard it at the top of the show. The Ultimate Draft Kit is here. I have a couple of quick things to say about that before we get into the news and the ADP price check. Number one. Thank you. Thank you to everybody who pre ordered the ultimate Draft Kit. Thank you for all the feedback. Thank you to the team here. Brooks, Jeremy, Josh, Rob.

[A]

Jason.

[B]

Jason Moore. Jason Moore. No, the team that put this thing together. And look, we're listening to your feedback. I especially want to thank everybody who's reviewed the app, the brand new app on Android and iOS, which is the companion. It was brought to my attention that this is bringing your toilet time to a whole new level because you can now browse the Ultimate Draft Kit in the convenience of the can of your underpants.

[C]

Wait, in your underpants?

[B]

What do you take yours all the way off? Mike, when you, when you sit down, you go all the way.

[A]

You mean you let the dude who hit the water.

[B]

Do you, do you clear the entire.

[C]

Yeah, I do. Generally speaking, all the way.

[B]

Do you toss your. You toss it all into the corner of the room?

[C]

Oh, see, we're.

[B]

No pants around the ankles. Oh, you thought I left them on.

[A]

Yes, that was.

[C]

I thought there was like a cheese mesh situation.

[A]

Moving along.

[B]

How dare you. No, I have those, those old style pajamas with the trap.

[C]

Oh, the butt flap.

[B]

The butt back flap.

[A]

He just takes his down to right above his knees. Just like this is enough. It's efficient.

[B]

Yeah, I don't want to expend more energy than I need and neither do you. So the Ultimate Draft Kit and the app, you can get [e-mail] and as you heard at the top of the show, $1 of every Ultimate Draft kit sold goes directly to St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. We've partnered with them this season. It's an important mission that they have. We want to contribute to that. And that goes part and parcel with the live shows that we're doing as well. All the VIP tickets went to St. Jude and then in Phoenix. The whole take everything. All the ticket sales in Phoenix are going straight to St. Jude. If you want to get a ticket to go watch the show live ballerslive.com come out and see the show. Have fun with us. It'll be a party, I promise. Let's get into the news.

[A]

News and notes from around the league presented by Sleeper.

[B]

All right, let's start with this. Rams general manager Les Snead said Gurley will not play, that is Todd Gurley will not play in the preseason. He says he doubts will see Todd in the preseason, which simply means that there's a problem. The state of mind that you're in now is the same one you'll be in going into week one, and it's the one that's going to probably permeate through the whole offseason with this weight.

[A]

It's. I mean, I'm upset with this. As the dynasty owner in our main dynasty league of Todd Gurley. I thought I was buying them cheap this off season.

[C]

Yeah, you could have bought them now.

[A]

Oh, I've been trying to sell them. I'm trying to sell. I won't have Todd Gurley on hard. I can't imagine that I'm going to play in a league where I'm going to be the one willing to take that pick because, you know, I feel like right now, I don't know, back of the second, I was going to.

[C]

Say let's, let's get.

[A]

That's if this is my fault. Price check.

[C]

So let's say you are. You're right around the middle of the first round and not a chance there. So hold on. So here's the scenario. You got Melvin Gordon with your first pick.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Now it's coming back to you off of the turn. And for me, it's like those there's like Juju and Travis Kelsey are kind of seeming ADP wise, they fit right together. They both go right off. They go right before you.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

The allure of the start of Melvin Gordon and Todd Gurley.

[A]

Sure. Middle of the second. If the other aforementioned players, like Juju, like I thought you were going to say, it was Juju, Kelsey and Gurley, who would you pick? And I would have picked.

[C]

No, no, those two are gone.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, that's going to be.

[B]

That is going to be realized what the dead cap hit for Gurley would be in 2019. What if they kind of like right now, 34.85 million.

[A]

He's only 24 years old.

[B]

Next year's dead cap, $25.6 million.

[A]

Got a ton of money. He's great.

[B]

His deals through 20, 23, 45 million guaranteed. There will become a point because, look, he's not going to play in preseason. The doubts will persist. Darrell Henderson will flash in preseason because he's great. And there will become. There's going to come a point where I'm going to have to take him. I'm going to have to take him. I mean, this is not everybody out there. This is not a situation where, let's put it this way, Gurley in full workload mode was not kind of number one. He was so far and away number one that it was not even touchable. It was another stratosphere, even last year. Another stratosphere with missing time. So that tells me that there is the world where he's a great value because he dropped so far. The news is so bad. And a girly with a lower workload on that offense is still a top three guy.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, if he's healthy, if he's the fifth pick in the draft, he's a value. If he ends up getting used the same way and they're just, you know, wanting to not do the wear and tear in the off season and in the preseason and that. But I think what we have to be honest about is the actions of the team. Not the words, but the actions. The only actions we have seen now are them matching Malcolm Butler's offer, going hard in the draft after Darrell Henderson, making sure that there are other running backs there, and then now looking to rest them in the preseason. It's. There's. There is a real problem.

[C]

Malcolm Brown. You threw me so off when you went with the Malcolm Butler.

[A]

Did I say Malcolm Butler?

[C]

You did. I was like, hold on, hold on. That's not his name.

[A]

They're moving him to running back.

[C]

So psyched out right now. All right.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

We got there.

[B]

They didn't feel the need to go bring CJ Anderson back. They leaned on Malcolm Brown despite the productivity of Anderson. They have to hedge. They have to control this narrative. And at this point, you're not going to cut the guy no matter what happens. So it's just going. This is just going to be the story all off season. And the Daddy P people want to deal with it. It's going to go down and down. All right, let's talk about the Chiefs offensive coordinator, Eric B. Enemy. He insists Damian Williams is the team starting running back. There is no running back by committee. Oh, Oh, I. He said Damian Williams is our starter. We expect him to excel in that role. I did move Damian Williams after this report. Not every bit of hype is worthwhile.

[C]

He moves me emotionally, but he was.

[B]

A little bit low to begin with. He moved up a little bit with the reinforcement here. We'll see what happens.

[C]

See, what's funny to me is feeling is high is you're talking about two completely different situations. But Damian Williams and Todd Gurley could go right next to each other.

[B]

Yeah. What do you want, Mike?

[A]

That's a great question.

[B]

You're on the clock.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

There's only two players left in the NFL.

[B]

Season starts tomorrow morning. Tomorrow morning. The game Chiefs versus Rams tomorrow.

[C]

Who are you taking? I guess it's Gurley, but it's.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, what's bananas about? That is two very different situations, but both of them, at least to me, could finish his top five running backs. Like, that's the ceiling for Damian Williams. It is if he maintains the starting job. Which.

[A]

That's.

[C]

That's the huge bugaboo for Damian Williams is will he be the starter come week 8?

[B]

And used like a starter.

[C]

Right.

[B]

It's one thing to be the starter. It's another thing to be used like a starter. That's the thing. We just don't know because we haven't had a season plus of Damian Williams. Excelling Bears tight end Trey Burton will miss the offseason program after undergoing sports hernia surgery. Never good.

[C]

Yeah. That's unfortunate.

[B]

We got one of these.

[A]

Mediocre signing of the week.

[B]

That's a big drop. The Jags have signed wide receiver extraordinaire.

[C]

Slash qb.

[B]

Slash free agent. Now no longer slash trail prior.

[C]

Man. Trail prior. You burn so bright.

[B]

What was his 2017 Footy Award? Brooks?

[C]

I think he had the poopiest pants, right?

[A]

Poopiest pants.

[B]

Yes, sir.

[C]

Oh, well, I mean, what could have been?

[B]

It doesn't matter.

[A]

Well, the good news is this makes the wide receiver core for the Jacksonville Jaguars very clear. It really helps open things up. And now you know exactly whether it's going to be Terrell Pryor.

[B]

D. Chris Conley.

[A]

Chris Conley or, you know, Marquis Lee.

[B]

Did you see this news today, Jason, about Humphreys turning down the Patriots on their offer and the fact that I.

[A]

Did not see that.

[B]

Yeah, he came out and basically said, look, Brady's the goat, but he's no Mariota.

[C]

It'd be great.

[B]

He'd be great to play with, but who knows how long he'll be there? I mean, that's basically gonna be there.

[A]

Longer than Mario's gonna be in Tennessee.

[C]

That was his reasoning.

[B]

That's what he said.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He came out and said, here's what.

[A]

I would respond with. And what was their offer? I would say, how much money?

[B]

Yeah, Tennessee gave him way more money. That's gotta be the truth.

[C]

That's fine.

[A]

It'd be great. But look, I really believe in the Titans. He said there's money to do anything with that. Look, I think the Titans are a good organization. Answer the question.

[B]

It was a four year deal. Who knows how many years he's got left. There's a lot that goes into it, said Humphreys. Brady, on the other hand, what would the height. What would the height be like for Humphreys going to.

[A]

Oh, I would have gone to too high on the hype. I mean, I. Honestly.

[C]

Even with Edelman or is that the reason that Edelman got the extension? It's because they were spurned by Adam Humphries?

[A]

No, I mean, you know, it's just he's got a good skill set. Adam Humphries is a quality wide receiver. If you put that on the field with Tom Brady, I think you, you'd find a little bit of excellence there. But I don't think you'll find it with Mario.

[B]

Tip your cap to him. At the end of the day, I.

[C]

Mean, you can say like it was, it would be fun to be a Patriot, but like Tennessee gave me an offer I couldn't refuse.

[B]

What if they did it?

[C]

That's you owning up. Oh, yeah, but that's you owning up. That, yes, it was money and so what?

[B]

Right?

[A]

My job.

[B]

All right, that was today's news and notes. We're going to get into the ADP price check. Be sure to switch to the sleeper app for Dynasty Keeper Redraft leagues. Great platform. Download it today. And we want to say thanks to today's show sponsors keeping this podcast going. This father's Day. Give dad a gift packed with Omaha Steaks. Yeah, I got my package already.

[C]

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[A]

You better check yourself before you wreck yourself.

[B]

I didn't remember what drop that was. So that's.

[C]

I like that one special. It's regal, it's majestic.

[A]

It's like Humphreys on the Patriots. It's going to have a. That has a little bit excellence in there.

[B]

Just a little bit of excellence. All Right. Let's start with Bill's running back, LaShawn McCoy. Where do you believe his average draft position is right here, right now. It's not like seasons passed for LaShawn McCoy when he was the darling of fantasy owners. So where do you guys think he's going right now?

[A]

I feel like people are wise on McCoy this year.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In the sense that he's been a big name and he's been a true workhorse back. He's on a team that, you know, there's a narrative that says he's actually going to be a really good pick this year.

[C]

He's still the starting running back.

[A]

Sure. That's what I mean. And the Bills, what do they want to do? They want to run the ball. And then they remember what he did last year, which was putrid. They remember his age, his mileage and they go, he's done. Like, is LaShawn McCoy done or is he mediocre? I mean, like, I don't see a world where he's a great running back. So I'm going to guess ninth round.

[C]

It's. It definitely looked like the wall hit last year because, I mean, that was. That was his worst year by a lot. He's never been under 4 yards of carry until last year when he was at 3.2 and he just, he was off the field all the time. I don't know if there was an injury situation that we were not privy to, but everything about, about his usage just went way down and it looked rough for adp. I'm. I'm with Jason. I think though, he's still a starting running back that has the potential to be a three down type of a player. He has that skill set. So I'm going to stick him in the eighth round. I'm going to go 8:04.

[A]

Okay. What? I said nine. I'm going to go nine. Oh one.

[B]

His current average jab position. And I am not guessing myself because I cheated on this one. I had already seen McCoy. 808.

[A]

Oh, 808.

[C]

Kick drum.

[B]

What's funny is we have him as our consensus running back. 39. That's where he's going. 808 is the. Is running back. 39.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

All right, now you two have a much higher than I do my concerns with McCoy. You talked about it with the Gurley context. It would be easy for me to say, hey, we're not looking at McCoy the right way. This is another Lamar Miller situation. We're just burned from last year. We need to treat him as a respect of the starter. But you said listen to the team and the team's actions. The team went out and spent a third round pick on Devin Singletary. They went out and signed Frank Gore. They went out and signed TJ Yeldin. There is some adjustment being made by the team enough to the point where, Mike, you believed LaShawn McCoy probably wasn't even going to be on the starting roster.

[C]

So for me that's possible.

[B]

I have him at running back 52. I'm discounting his Lamar Miller ability this year because I don't think the workload is going to be there. And if you take the workload away, the inefficiency last year, I do think he hit the wall. So that's how I'm weighing in on that one.

[A]

I think if he has the workload, he's still going to be bad. When I look at, okay, who would I rather have this season, LaShawn McCoy or Peyton Barber? I would probably go McCoy, but listen to what I just said.

[B]

Did you say that I would probably.

[A]

Go McCoy over Peyton Barber?

[B]

I would not. And I'd be going Barber?

[A]

Exactly that. This is the point I'm making. So Barber, I see his value because he's in double digit rounds or at least that's where I assume he is or should be. You know, one of those super late stabs at a starting running back. I don't see a world where even with the workload, Lashawn McCoy all of a sudden gets his yards per carry back, his touchdowns up is, you know, he's super efficient. The mileage on him as a smaller back. Yeah, I think he's, I think he has hit the wall. I mean I was, he was one of my guys. I was the most down on last season going into last year as far as just like I, I'm out and I'm not getting back in just because of, you know what, what round was a good value for Love Bell last year? Like there wasn't one. There's some players where it's just going to be a bad pick and that, that's what I think Shady is.

[C]

Buffalo has, they have so many running backs on their team, it's, it's insane and it's. What's unfortunate is like in other situations, a third round running back, you might be excited. And Devin Singletary was one of those guys that he's, I mean, very polarized but had huge plays in college. We would be projecting by the end of the year that Devin Singletary would be the starter of this team. And he certainly could be. He just has a lot more in front of him. He has a lot more guys that he has to actually pass. So.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Regularly you might be talking about halfway through the year, okay, Singletary might be able to start or take over, but he might not be till last 25% of the season.

[B]

Yeah. And you wonder how a team moves on from a big trade acquisition like McCoy and the overrated nature of the name. It persists with the coaching staff too. You might not give up on a guy like that. As soon as you would think I can remember DeMarco Murray being a player that it took quite a bit of time to realize the inefficiencies of DeMarco Murray on an offense because of what they were. That can be one of the check marks against Devin Singletary taking the reins early. I do, I do think it's kind of, you know, if McCoy had massive passing efficiency last year and just couldn't run the ball, I'd be like, okay, he can still contribute here. But you didn't see a rapport between him and Josh Allen.

[C]

Right. And next year, just speaking for Devin Singletary, he will be the guy. I mean, McCoy's contract is done after this year. Frank Gore 42. Frank Gore will still be playing in the league more than likely, but he won't be a Buffalo Bill. It's a one year contract. I think TJ Eldon's is.

[B]

Did Frank Gore go to Buffalo because Fred Jackson. Because Fred Jackson had such a career. Well, what Fred Jackson told him cryogenic cold up there in Buffalo.

[C]

It's the pool. It's from Wanted.

[B]

Oh, there was the Restoration. Yes, that's up in Buffalo. Yeah, they found it. I gotta stop by there next time I'm in Buffalo.

[C]

Oh, two out of ten for that joke.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[C]

I thought it was at least a four.

[B]

Are you gonna start doing that on the show? Jay, just put. Put a number down.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. And you know, I should really do.

[B]

It more like now it's out of 10. But the numbers you put down are between two and four. Right. You can't even see it. We're gonna have to get you some of those cards.

[C]

You just like the rushed and judge.

[B]

Like the dunk contest. Brooks put that on the list.

[C]

We're definitely get.

[B]

We'll get two sets. And when you say one of those jokes, Jason and I will both hold those up. If you get the set, Brooks, and you can only get like one through four number wise because it's cheaper. That's all you'll need.

[A]

He already hit a 10 out of 10 today.

[B]

He did?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

What was that one?

[A]

I don't remember.

[B]

All right, let's go to. Let's do a little ADP price check for a couple of Steelers. Dante Moncrief, Vance McDonald. I think there was a news report that came out earlier today about the ball being spread around in Pittsburgh with the absence of Antonio Brown. You've got Moncrief, you've got Washington. Yeah. What do you think? What do you think? Where does Moncrief to me I'm going like, you know, I would guess he's undrafted.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Very, very late. If not undrafted. We still aren't. Because you're not sure is it James Washington or Dante Moncrief? And honestly that's a. If you draft capital of James Washington, second round pick, his second year in the league that still holds value for the team. But they gave Moncrief A decent two year deal. I think it was 5 million off. That's off the top of my head. I can look. But Dante Moncrief, I mean like 1307.

[A]

I'm going to guess like eight. Wow.

[C]

Very different opinions of Dante.

[B]

He's 1308. That's where his draft place is right now.

[A]

What did you guess, Mike?

[C]

I guess 13 oh something.

[B]

Yeah. You said 1307.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. You were way up. No, Jason, you have stayed under of our group. Dante Moncrief is one of those. I'm going to use the la one of my later picks in a best ball league on Dante Moncrief because he's going to have a monster play four times this year.

[A]

Yeah, I mean a best ball pick is great. He's got a very comparable skill set ability when it comes to like Martavis Bryant who obviously dominated with Big Ben just running that 9 route faster than everybody else, getting down there catching a touchdown. Then he's going to slap the base, you know, in a redraft league. I'm not a big fan when I say that, you know, 8, 9 or 8, 10, whatever I said that's what I assumed people might be putting on him. I'm not wanting to take the shot at. I've actually just kind of gotten to the place where I decided I'm not wanting to take the shot at the number two. You know, is it going to be James Washington? Is it going to be Dante Moncrief?

[B]

Is it going to be Deontay Johnson?

[C]

Yeah, it will not be Deontay Johnson. I will be on Record.

[A]

Okay. And I will be on record. Just saying, if a 2 comes out of the Steelers as a dominant, you know, if a wide receiver two comes out and just dominates for fantasy football, he won't be on my team, like, because I'm not going to take the risk.

[B]

So let's take the gamble there. Between James Washington, Deontay Johnson and Dante Moncrief, who do you think has the best chance?

[C]

Moncrief.

[B]

To end up a solid number two.

[A]

Take the vet who's had success before.

[B]

You know, it's a sneaky pickup for Pittsburgh. Probably better for their team than it is for fantasy.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

How about Vance McDonald, Steelers tight end? Where's his average draft position right now? Jason, you have him seven in your tight end rankings. Mike eight. I have him nine. We all like him. He's our seventh by consensus. Where do you think he's going in drafts, though? Because I think we all know he's probably in that value range maybe.

[C]

I think he's going as a top 10.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Tight end currently. So I would put him in the seventh round. I'll say 706.

[B]

You say 706.

[A]

Jason, I'm right about there. I'm gonna go 707.

[C]

Oh, you jerk.

[B]

I'm guess and I don't know this one. I'm gonna guess 8:05.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Brooks, do you want to do the reveal on these for us?

[A]

Ooh, yes.

[B]

Where's Vance going right now? Vance dance is going 708.

[A]

Oh, the winner is me. I did it.

[B]

Tight end, number nine. Are you happy with that price? I mean, that's. I mean, we should be. Yeah.

[C]

To. Hopefully me bringing this name up doesn't cast a giant shadow, but I mean, that was Trey Burton range last year where you are. You're still paying because, I mean, a seventh round pick, you know, there's some wide receiver twos possibly still available. There's. There's real depth you can be adding to your team instead of a tight end who still feels a bit like a flyer. But Vance McDonald also, to me has a very high ceiling and we've seen it a few times with the Steelers, and he finally was able to overcome and become the number one tight end on the depth chart.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Antonio Brown is going to turn into Moncrief, Deontay Johnson, James Washington, Vance McDonald.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

That's the Antonio Brown target. You're not going to have a real target increase for juju. You might have touchdown increase for juju. Targets can't go up a lot those four guys are going to share them. Vance McDonald, he's priced exactly where I have him ranked. So I'm probably not jumping at him. But it'll just be team determination at that point in the draft.

[C]

If you can take Vance McDonald's and get a, you know, a decent portion, if not most of what Jesse James, their former tight end had and then just get a nice, just like a little cut, a little give me 10 to 15% cut from Antonio Brown. Vance McDonald becomes sensational in the target department.

[A]

Yeah, I mean who's going to earn.

[B]

Big Ben's loyalty on that offense?

[C]

Yeah, I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, I would put Vance McDonald ahead of the aforementioned Dante Moncrief as far as target, you know, the second in targets. You know, as a receiver, just for a reminder, I'm not crazy about him here because to me there's still a lot of other good running backs and wide receivers while he's ranked kind of appropriately here. I would rather take more wide receivers and running backs that have better odds to be difference makers than I'm going to find in the double digit rounds. Because you brought up the perfect name, Mike. Trey Burton. He was about this round and guess what? He did. He finished right there. He actually, he didn't disappoint. You know, last year Trey Burton was the number seven tight end.

[B]

There is not gross though.

[A]

There's not a single person who was happy they drafted Trey Burton last year.

[B]

No, we liked him a lot.

[A]

And this is number seven.

[B]

The thing about this is, and we talked about it in our player profile in the UDK about Vance McDonald. The idea is this is not a hyper athletic type of player. To me this is a player that didn't Vance.

[C]

Yeah, he's got juice.

[B]

He's got juice but we know what he is. You're not talking about him walking into a new offense being the Trey Burton was the next Travis Kelsey because he never got enough play and enough. You've seen Vance McDonald on the field.

[A]

So stiff arm a guy out of the league.

[B]

I told you that that's going to color. That's going to color the athletic profile too much. He's not built and he didn't test in a. In a fashion that was hyper impressive. He's no Trey Burton is my point. So from a physical specimen standpoint, he comps out as a Brent Selleck type of player. He ran a four six nine. He was 86 percentile in speed score taking 86%. That's where he was. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

I'll take that, but last year he had 73 targets. That's 12th at the position. So that's what I'm saying. Where lose Jesse James and he's. And that wasn't only 15 games. There's why he's being selected. There is the narrative that you have to paint for Vance McDonald to go from 73 to high 80s. I mean, it's not a huge stretch.

[A]

If you get high 80s, you are still going to be disappointed. And I think that's, you know, you had 77 for Trey Burton last year. I feel like if I don't get one of the top, I'll take OJ.

[C]

Howard targets from Ben Roethlisberger and over 90 targets from Mitch Trubisky.

[A]

Sure, that's, that's fair. But my point for me this season in 2019, I would, I would include O.J. howard and Evan Ingram as, you know, my top five tight ends that I'm willing to draft. And then if I don't get one of those guys, I'm pretty much out until one of my last picks. And I'll take whoever some vet that drops super late at Greg Golson or.

[B]

I'll grab Vance if he drops to the, to the ninth, tenth round. Okay, let's talk about Saints running back Latavius Murray. We've got him@consensus32. I think the, one of the more interesting things to talk about with Latavius is what if something happens. Sure. To Alvin Camara. Camara's had some concussion issues before. You know, he's been pretty durable. He's been a monster in the red zone. But when you talk about the value you get with Latavius, you get, you get the side running back numbers in New Orleans and then you get this insane upside if something happened to Alvin Camara. Where do you think Latavius is going? We have him as our consensus 32.

[A]

I think he's going in the middle of the seventh. I'll go 706. And I think he is a great value there for what I'm looking for.

[C]

I think he is more of an 8th round player. I will go 802.

[B]

I will say, well, Brooks, you ruined it. You ruined it.

[A]

Oh, Brooks.

[B]

I highlighted it on the screen while I was looking at it. So I'm out. And also when you're seventh round. 707. Is that right, Brooks?

[C]

Good job, Andy. 707.

[A]

Wait, did you give him that one?

[C]

Hogwash. I think when you're talking about the upside of Latavius Murray, you are not properly accounting for jvorius Allen.

[A]

I disagree. Yeah, I mean, we are properly accounting for Buck Allen.

[C]

I am being facetious.

[B]

Yeah. Buck Allen. People want to know, does it matter?

[C]

No, no, no.

[B]

Not at all.

[C]

No.

[A]

If you look at what Mark Ingram has been able to do and you can go back. This isn't just Mark Ingram. You can go back and look when Mark Ingram was the one and there were other twos. You can go look before Mark Ingram was in the league and how they would use multiple backs. Sean Payton and Drew Brees have great running back as a team. Numbers. At the end of the year, Alvin Camaro will absolutely get the Lion's share. But there's so much left over in that offense that I want the running back to. There's not a lot of teams that you can do that. But you. Latavius Murray will be a weekly streamable, you know, flex position type of guy where he's got a good, decent chance at a. At a touchdown. And like you said, Andy, the upside is there. He's not a handcuff at all. He's a standalone player with massive upside.

[B]

When on our last show we did the ultimate draft tips and we were looking at some market share numbers, it was surprising to see how much work Camara got in the 10 zone. So there. It's not like Latavius is walking into a situation where Ingram got every carry inside the 10. They need a goal line back and it has to be Latavius Murray. So I don't. Even though that's. There's a possibility they use him more there because they just, you know, he's had success there in the past. I don't think it's a guarantee that he's the goal line back. It's just a matter of what Jason said. This is a team that traditionally leads the league in rushing touchdowns, period.

[C]

What he meant to say was there's a possibility that Alvin Camara rips off a huge run, gets tired, he gets taken on the two, and then he's. Then he's a little winded. And then they'll send Latavius Murray in.

[B]

All right, let's go on to James White. Patriots running back James White, one of the most owned players on championship teams last year. Because of where you got him, you got him at a value right now. Mike, you are bodying James White.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

You've been saying it on the show for a while. Jason and I both have him inside our top 24. You've got him outside your top 40.

[A]

That's. I beseech you. Mike, I beseech you, get on board with James White. He's going to. This is.

[B]

No, I don't have any beseeched music.

[A]

This is not.

[C]

You need some Jesus Christ Superstar.

[A]

Oh, this is not going to work for you. No, James White's going to have an excellent year.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

No, he will not.

[A]

I'm going to say he's being drafted at 610 and I will scoop him up like crazy.

[C]

I think he is being completely overdrafted.

[B]

I'm going to guess he's a fifth round pick.

[C]

I will say my ranking of him, that's just where he landed with the stats that I gave him. I think there is a very reasonable expectation that he outperforms the ranking that I have given him. But with that ranking, I'm saying I am not paying up for you because I agree with you guys. I think he's going to be going in the fifth round, the sixth round and his situation was literally as perfect as it could possibly get for a complete statistical outlier of a season for James White. Not that he's a bad player, but he just everything lined up for him in a very magical way and that's not going to happen again.

[B]

Where's he going? Brooks 604.

[C]

Too early for me.

[A]

It's just, it's extreme value for. If you're in a PPR league, keep in mind, I mean if you're not in a PPR league, if you're a standard league, James White is far less valuable because make no mistake, he's not a running back. He's a wide receiver for this offense. They use him from the backfield as a wide receiver. He could be, you know, I expect him to be north of 100 targets. You know, Julian Edelman and James White are going to dominate.

[B]

It's. The thing is, is it's a pretty far fall from last year. A championship winning season to go from. He finishes the number eight.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Running back last year.

[C]

So I can bring up my argument again like you're saying that you expect him well over 100 targets. He's done that once in his entire career.

[B]

But, but the most recent history that we have is that he's a foundational player for Brady and Brady's there and the offense is the same and you only lost Gronk, so why would they go away from what happened last year? Now maybe he's not number eight because of opportunity but why would he be outside of the top 20, 25 because.

[C]

Of, because of how much he was actually used last year. Due to injuries from Sony Michelle. Due to injuries from Rex Burakhet who. Those guys are both back and they added a third round running back in Damien Harris. I just, I do not see a world.

[B]

What about when we say we beseech you? What about that?

[A]

The argument that I will. That I will accept because there's always work for all of these players. You know, when you're expecting great things, there's always the world where it doesn't work out. And if it doesn't work out for James White, I think it's going to be because of Damien Harris. You know, you saw Rex Burkhead when he was on the field was not as good for James White. That's the argument I would encourage you to stick with for your terrible anti James White.

[C]

It's part of my career high in targets before last year was 86, which is just. It does matter.

[B]

No, it doesn't. It doesn't matter. When you're 26 years old and you, and you just. Why would the team go? Do you think that the Patriots are going to the books and going, whoa, wait a second. This year was an outlier. We better go back to whatever he did when he was a younger player and we didn't trust him as much.

[C]

No, but I think that they have other running backs who are good on the team. I mean, look to me. Okay, so where we can, we can transition it to. Where do you feel about Sony Michelle? Are you still as high on Sony Michelle?

[B]

No, no, no. And my rankings reflect that.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

When push came to shove on Sony.

[C]

Michelle because they both like. To me, they both can't be there.

[B]

No, they're not.

[A]

If. No, they both can be there because one doesn't.

[B]

One's touchdowns, one's pass catching.

[A]

But I mean, so 86 targets or whatever that, you know, that's. That would have been the sixth best last season. I mean that. Those are great numbers. You don't have to be at 123, you know, to be there. Sure. But 86 targets is great.

[C]

But he also had five rushing touchdowns last year of which he hadn't scored a rushing touchdown since 2015. Like that's not happening.

[B]

And that's why. But that's why Jason, I have him at 21 and 24.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Not eight where he finished. For what it's worth, Sony is one spot behind. So I actually have him Back to back 24, 25. All right, so we can move on. We better move on the Browns combo. Jarvis, Landry, David and Joku, where do you Think those guys are going Jarvis Landry, David and Joku. In Joku we have as our 10th ranked tight end mostly on the power of Jason's firm number six. And then Jarvis Landry, I've got him at 30.

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

You guys have him at 45 and 40. What's crazy about Landry is he had. He actually had a very high market share of the offense last year. But then you mix in like a Baker Mayfield that was getting better and advancing and getting more freedom.

[C]

So even with that market share, Jarvis was.

[B]

No, he was bad.

[C]

Was there?

[B]

No. I know that's. That's the scary part about the driver's argument.

[A]

Now I've got a. I should have done this for James White. But Brooks, what format is the adp? Because Jarvis that, you know that's. It's always going to make a big difference.

[B]

ADP and rankings are both half. Half ppr. Okay, so my thought, on average draft position for Jarvis, I have him the highest at 30. I am guessing the Jarvis Landry is going in the fifth round.

[A]

I'm going to guess the beginning of the seventh. I'm going to go 701.

[B]

And where did split the difference you going sixth round?

[C]

Yeah, I'm going to go.

[B]

Where's he at Brooks, fifth round, 505. Why? He's going off the board as the wide receiver 22. So according to all of our rankings, he's pretty overdrafted right now.

[A]

Yeah, I would not touch him there. I mean, you're going to. You've got a player who's not a touchdown machine. He has always needed to have volume to be. I mean he's great and he's going to be great for the, for the Browns. But from a fantasy standpoint, he's not the one. He's not even going to be close to the one when it comes to targets.

[B]

He's not Neo.

[A]

It's not going to be like 135 to 125 targets between Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landry. Odell Beckham is going to be, you know, 150 and to 120, 115. And if you're not getting. If you're working close to the line of scrimmage like Jarvis does, you don't get the touchdowns.

[B]

I was actually going to bring that up. His average per reception did go up last year from 8.8 to 12 in Cleveland. His receptions took a precipitous drop from 112 down to 81. But my point about the same Yardage.

[A]

He's not going to be doing that with Odell Beckham. There's. That's. You know what I mean? Like him being the guy down the field that's they were using him the way that they're going to use Odell Beckham this season.

[B]

I would imagine a very similar season for Jarvis Landry.

[A]

Well, one that you were disappointed in.

[B]

Because the thing is 81 for 950 and 4. I mean that's.

[C]

He was wide receiver 19 and a half point.

[A]

So he was wide receiver 19 and half point. But if you look at how he got there, the percentage of good weeks versus bad weeks, I think he had a couple monster games. I'll look that up. But I don't remember people being happy owning Jarvis last year.

[B]

I think he's interesting though because now his draft position right now it doesn't reflect a discount for Beckham arriving. Right, Right. So that like Jason, you thought he was a seventh round pick and you didn't even sound happy.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I would have been super happy with Jarvis as a seventh round.

[A]

I'll consider him in the seventh.

[B]

You'll give him some consideration.

[C]

A little bit of excellence.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

All right. You guys want to move on to.

[C]

Another name are we doing in Joku?

[B]

Oh, that's right.

[A]

Where did. Remind me where vance was. The ADP was seventh round.

[C]

So he'll be in front of Vance.

[A]

708 was Vance. That's exactly what I feel is he should be in front front advance from the populace. I'll go 705. But he should be right by.

[C]

I'll go 701.

[B]

Yeah. 610.

[C]

What is it Brooks? 712. Oh, hold on.

[B]

Tight end.

[A]

10. So he's going.

[C]

He's going after Vance.

[B]

People are dancing.

[A]

People are doing the Vance dance.

[C]

I don't blame him.

[B]

Look, it's your fault.

[C]

I don't blame him.

[B]

I don't. You like in joke a lot more.

[A]

No, not, not. That's what I was going to bring up. It's not really true. I mean I said earlier my top five that I include Evan Ingram and O.J. howard along with the three names you know in Kittle, Ertz and Kelsey. The drop between those 5 and my 6th is nothing. Enormous. No, that the difference between 6 and 10 or 12 is nothing.

[C]

That's where is angry 5 or is Howard your 5?

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Ingram is my 5. So it's one of those where yes. My ordered ranking says I'm high on in Joku. That's if the touchdowns fall his Way. I mean, that's really. And that's from.

[B]

That's what that range is anyway.

[A]

Exactly. From in Joku on, it's just take your best shot.

[B]

And so targets wise in Joku and Jarvis. Massive differences between first and second half of the season. Jarvis just. First half pace 186 targets. Second half pace 110. Njoku's first half 120. Second half, 74.

[A]

First half, spreading the ball around.

[B]

Well, that's the point, right? It's Baker. Tyrod was targeting those players more often. Baker was spreading the ball around more often. So it you wonder if the situation in Cleveland is actually very similar to the situation in Pittsburgh where you have juju, you've got Beckham, they're your kind of solidified guarantees. But then agnostic targets after that from the quarterbacks because Baker likes to spread it around.

[C]

You've got Callaway.

[B]

Yeah, but you know, you do have. Beckham's going to soak his up and then you've got Njoku, you've got Jarvis, you've got, you know, Duke, you've got Callaway. I just wonder if predicting that number two, guaranteeing the number two, would you take the same approach with the. With the number two target in Cleveland that you would take in Pittsburgh like you were talking about earlier? Or do you feel like. Because Jarvis is so.

[A]

I feel like Jarvis has established himself as more of a target surety than say, a Dante Moncrief. It's the exact opposite type of player. One is a deep down the field, catch a bomb touchdown. The other is right across the middle or take a screen and, you know, get eight or nine yards of reception. So, no, I would still rather have Jarvis in that situation just based on Jarvis's talent.

[B]

All right, let's get into the mailbag.

[A]

Mailbag.

[C]

Mailbag.

[B]

All right. We love helping the Foot Clan out. You heard a Foot Clan member introduce the show from China.

[C]

Oh, bonjour.

[B]

Yes. So we have a new perk over @join the foot.com if you support us over there, you got the opportunity to leave us a show intro. Because this show is all about the Foot Clan. Your league, your team, your players. And here's your questions. Go to the website, click Submit a question. You can also leave us a question via voicemail hotline 302464, TFFB. Today we've got a question from Nathan in Texas. He says, hey, ballers, huge fan of the show. You often mention when a receiver moves from playing outside into the slot, what are the fantasy implications for A slot receiver versus a guy who lines up on the outside. Positive, negative, better for ppr.

[C]

Yes. They're going to get more targets and theoretically you're talking shorter plays, lower yards per reception.

[B]

I heard theoretically.

[C]

Oh, very nice. And your touchdown opportunities do tend to go down.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Very low. To have a slot receiver with double digit touchdowns almost never happens.

[A]

Yes. And sometimes when you see those seasons that look like they're going to happen, you know, that happened a little while ago with Crowder. You know, it was like, oh, he, he does get touchdowns from the slot. Then as time goes on you go, oh, he doesn't. He just had a good.

[C]

It's the same with Jarvis. Jarvis had that one.

[B]

I think he had a nine touchdown.

[C]

But other than that, it's. He gets you four.

[A]

It does, it does depend a little bit on which team, you know.

[B]

Yeah, Larry, Larry represent like Larry Fitzgerald in Arizona. He's been running out of the slot for a while. He still was the best touchdown catcher on the team. Didn't mean a whole lot, but. But yeah, traditionally you see a player with a different route tree, a lot of underneath routes. There are certain players like Tyler Lockett who had a lot of yards after the catch last year, who if the best wide receiver on the team is in that position, you can have more confidence. I think, I think we've been in a world where fantasy owners have tried to turn every slot receiver into what Wells Welker represented for fantasy owners years ago. And that's just. Is more often than not, not the, you know, the case.

[A]

Right.

[C]

What the absolute best scenario is when you have a superstar wide receiver like Julio Jones who predominantly plays on the outside. But then your OC is actually smart and moves them around the formation. And then before the defense realize of what happens is, oh crap, Julio Jones is in the slot.

[B]

Ty Hilton's in the slot because you're.

[C]

Now playing against the third cornerback on the team instead of a top two.

[A]

Keenan Allen, Adam Thielen, they do that a lot.

[B]

All right, let's get into a voicemail question.

[C]

Hey ballers, this is Eric from New Jersey. Really need your help. The whole league is having a huge argument.

[B]

What do you do in between the.

[C]

Time of the rookie draft and the regular season? Because there's a lot of issues between when players should be dropped, when roster sizes should be cut down, and what happens with teams that have 30 or more people on their rosters are still able to pick up free agents and such. Let me know your answer. Hope you get the question.

[B]

Have a good One, you're going to help them put the pitchforks down?

[A]

Absolutely. I'll grab my torch up and tell you to put your pitchforks down. Because I know we've had, you know, in the dynasty leagues, we've been in the same conversations, the same debates, the same oh, I don't want to drop my players yet. I don't want to, you know, this is a dynasty league. This is a league where it's, you're not always going to know the information. You can't wait like a redraft and draft right before the draft. So in my opinion, and I assume in our opinion, but I'll only speak for myself here. When you have your draft, you've got to make those roster cuts right Then if you're adding four players to your team and you're not expanding, you know, you say post rookie draft, post rookie draft, you've got to get rid of four spots and open it up right Then you don't get to hold on to them and do that. Jazz. As soon as that roster is inputted right after the draft, it should be open season for all trades, all waiver wire. You know, if you want to make a different, I know we've got an off season fab budget that the, you know, going into week one of the NFL season, it resets. You get a brand new hundred dollars on your fab budget for in season. But the whole point of playing in a dynasty is to have off season action.

[B]

So you don't want to have a elongated lockdown of your league where you're not talking trades when you aren't experiencing the fun of what it means to have a dynasty team. And if, you know, there was some different opinions in our league too about oh, do you want to wait for the rookie draft for a long time? Well, you can do that but. And maybe you get a little bit more information or things like that, but ultimately you want the most open season, so to speak.

[C]

And if you this is what a taxi squad is for. If you are one of those people that is adamant on you gotta have I don't want to drop anybody. Well, then you have a taxi squad where your rookies can go and sit and develop. But if they're on the taxi squad, that means you can't actually play them on a week to week basis without moving someone up and dropping someone at that time.

[A]

The only caveat I will say to my opinion of do everything early, do everything quick, have it always open, have all transactions going, is if you're looking to start one Up. The startup draft is just so important if you want to hold off and wait until you know the same time of year that you've got redrafts going where you've got maximum information and nobody's going to draft someone that gets injured and their entire career arc changes and they can't get rid of them forever, then I'm cool with that.

[B]

All right, one more voicemail question. Hey, fantasy footballers. Love you guys. Love the show.

[C]

I've been going back and forth on.

[B]

This decision all summer. Been trying to figure out if I should keep Julio Jones or James Conner in my half point PPR league. Thank you.

[C]

Oof. You are correct, sir. That is a rough one. I am on Team Conner that I think that James Conner will be the guy and more so of just if he is the guy, he's the guy. I don't think that Mike Tomlin is going to use a platoon. The people that have to beat out James Conner between Jalen Samuels and Benny Snell, I just don't think that one of those two guys can do it. However it lives in the world of probability of things that actually could happen, what can happen is that someone takes over Julio Jones of the Atlanta Falcons of being an elite wide receiver and render Julio Jones completely without value or with very little value.

[B]

Five straight years of at least 1400 receiving yards for Julio Jones.

[C]

Julio is 100% the safe pick. And with. I mean, he's an elite player, but James Conner can be.

[B]

He's at a more valuable position.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And that's what the. That's where the debate lies and what you think you'll be able to do at the position in your draft. I think that says a lot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Can you get a. Can you get a great running back? Because then I'd go, Julio.

[A]

Yeah, it's. It's funny. I looked up their ADP just now and right now the average draft position is 111 for Julio Jones and 111 for James Connor. So this is.

[C]

How is this possible?

[A]

A true decision where you've got to go and pick one of those guys? If I'm on the clock, I am taking Julio Jones right now.

[C]

Let's say we get into the season, it's preseason. James Conner, they're not even letting him play because they said James Conner is the starting running back for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

[A]

Then it would depend on the. What the rest of the league's doing. So to Andy's point earlier, if you can find out who's being kept and if everybody's keeping a running back. That's going to make it difficult for me to grab a top running back. Then I'll follow suit and grab and keep Connor. Otherwise, if some people are going running back, some people going wide receiver, Travis Kelsey's someone's keeper and Pat Mahomes is someone's keeper, then I'll take Julio and I'll draft another great running back.

[B]

All right, as we close things out, we've got a Pristine deal of the day for you. Yesterday on pristine auction.com AJ Green signed Cincinnati Bengals Photography 55 we should just find whatever went for $55 the day.

[C]

Before and be surprised every single time it happens.

[B]

Oh wow, Jerry Rice. By the way, signed logo football. Little old school bonus here yesterday $85 for a signed Jerry Rice football.

[A]

Father's Day's coming up.

[B]

That's a pretty sweet gift. When you sign up on Pristine Auction, use the registration code ballers. You get five for free.

[A]

That means we're gonna have to find things that went for 60 bucks.

[B]

Oh, because then take it down to 55. Doing a little mathematics there, genius.

[C]

Hey, thank you for tuning in. We will see you on Thursday. Goodbye.

[A]

Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on JoinTheFoot.com and follow us on Twitter the FFBall.

[B]

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