Playoff Time! Week 15 Start/Sit + Jason's Rivers Dreams - Fantasy Football Podcast for 12/10

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Podcast Episode Summary

Podcast: Fantasy Footballers – Fantasy Football Podcast
Episode: Playoff Time! Week 15 Start/Sit + Jason's Rivers Dreams
Release Date: December 10, 2025
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike “The Fantasy Hitman” Wright

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Episode Overview

The Fantasy Footballers kick off fantasy playoff season with signature wit and energy, diving deep into Week 15’s Start/Sit conundrums, waiver strategies, backup options, and wild NFL storylines—most notably, the possible return of 44-year-old Philip Rivers for the Colts. The hosts balance actionable analysis with playful banter, player stat breakdowns, and mailbag questions, equipping listeners with the tools (and laughs) needed to make the right moves in the most critical week of the fantasy season.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Playoff Mindset: Don't Rest on the Bye

• Timestamps: 01:48–05:50
• Discussion: The hosts stress that securing a playoff bye isn’t an excuse to relax. Mike emphasizes using the bye week to scout future opponents, stash high-upside waiver picks, and block other managers.
• Quote:
  • "If you are on bye, PAY ATTENTION. Do not take this week off. Be active, make waivers, look at future weeks, look at your opponents. Be proactive." — Andy (03:11)

2. Year-Round Analysis: Footy Awards and The Truth Series

• Timestamps: 04:48–05:53
• Discussion: Even after the fantasy season, the crew keeps analyzing player trends (the “truth” behind final stats) and delivers post-season awards.
• Quote:
  • "It's never too early to get ready for the 2026 fantasy football season. Don’t leave the season with a distorted view of who was actually good." — Mike (05:13)

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3. Backup Options & Waiver Priorities

• Timestamps: 06:49–15:12
• Key Takeaways:
  • Kayshon Boutte: Surprised to see him dropped; coming off injury but possesses upside, especially with favorable matchups (BUF, BAL, NYJ).
  • Darren Waller: On the most-dropped list—grab him if available; has the easiest TE playoff schedule.
  • Isaiah Likely: Viable tight end stream candidate, especially given Bengals’ struggles against TEs.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "Kayshon Boutte is one of the best bets on a touchdown this week." — Jason (09:25)
  • "Waller has the easiest schedule of all tight ends the rest of the way: number one." — Jason (11:32)
  • "If you’re struggling, great pickup to play this week… turns out I can’t, but I would." — Andy (14:05)

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4. Philip Rivers’ Comeback Dream

• Timestamps: 15:18–20:48
• Summary:
  • The Colts have signed Philip Rivers, and he might actually start in Week 15, five years removed from NFL play at age 44.
  • The gang debates the odds and the spectacle—whether it's a trainwreck or a historic comeback—and what it means for fantasy-relevant Colts.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "This is incredible. It doesn't even matter how it goes. You buy a ticket because it's like I've never seen someone eaten by a lion." — Andy (15:32, 15:47)
  • "This could go real bad." — Andy (15:51)
  • "He is still good at handing the ball off and throwing four-yard outs." — Jason (18:33)
  • "Alec Pierce is going to be so pissed… zero targets." — Mike (19:05, 19:12)

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5. Thursday Night Game Breakdown: Atlanta vs. Tampa Bay

• Timestamps: 24:40–32:18
• Fantasy Focus:
  • Mike Evans & Godwin: Evans looks likely to play, setting up a great matchup with Atlanta’s league-worst defense against WRs last six weeks.
  • Kyle Pitts: A sneaky TE start with high target share; matchup against Tampa is favorable.
  • RBs: Bucky Irving and Bijan Robinson are must-starts.
  • QB streamers: Baker Mayfield is a decent Superflex option.
• Notable Debates:
  • On who ranks the WRs—Buka, Godwin, Evans.
  • Start/Sit Question: Pitts vs. Isaiah Likely (28:04). Consensus leans to Likely.
  • Quote:
    • "Mike Evans is someone that I am willing to play over… like if I'm toying with Devon Vale... We've got a matchup where we are starting Mike Evans." — Andy (26:19)

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6. Mailbag & Listener Questions

• Timestamps: 32:33–54:50

Selected Q&As:

• DEF/Streaming:

  • Seattle or 49ers D/ST this week?
    • Both safe, slightly prefer Seattle vs. possible Colts backup QB(s).
    • "Seattle—they do what scores in fantasy." — Andy (34:32)

• Fantasy Playoff Etiquette:

  • Is it bad form for eliminated teams to use waivers?
    • No consensus; Mike says play to win and avoid last place; Jason/Andy advocate for clear league rules to prevent collusion.

• Start/Sit Rapid-Fire:

  • Brian Thomas Jr. vs. Jordan Addison
    • Consensus: Brian Thomas Jr. (47:10)
  • Isaiah Likely vs. Tyler Warren/Harold Fannin:
    • Slight edge to Tyler Warren if Rivers starts, otherwise tricky.

• Camara vs. Chris Rodriguez for stash:

  • Clear preference for Chris Rodriguez given Camara's injury, contract, and Saints’ lack of incentive to play vets. (50:45–51:43)

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7. Philip Rivers vs. Reality Bet

• Timestamps: 41:46–43:24, 45:20–46:14
• Comedy/Highlight: Andy and Jason make a $100 bet that Philip Rivers (should he start) will throw for over 200 yards, despite betting lines putting his O/U at 152.5 yards and plus odds for even one TD pass.
• Quote: "I am literally fueled by hopium right now in Philip Rivers." — Andy (43:24)
• Fun Banter: Jason threatens to “cash out” immediately, Andy stays optimistic despite the odds.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

| Timestamp | Quote | Speaker | |------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------------| | 03:11 | "If you are on bye you, pay attention. Do not take this week off. Be proactive." | Andy | | 09:25 | "Kayshon Boutte is one of the best bets on a touchdown this week." | Jason | | 14:05 | "If you’re struggling, great pickup to play this week… turns out I can’t, but I would." | Andy | | 15:38 | "You either see somebody conquer a lion, or you see them eaten by one. And either way, you buy a ticket." | Jason | | 19:12 | "Alec Pierce is going to be so tired and have zero targets." | Mike | | 26:19 | "Mike Evans is someone that I am willing to play..." | Andy | | 34:32 | "Seattle—they do what scores in fantasy. So I would roll with the Seahawks." | Andy | | 43:24 | "I am literally fueled by hopium right now in Philip Rivers." | Andy |

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Important Timestamps

• Playoff Advice / Bye Week Strategies: 01:48–05:50
• Backup Options: 06:49–15:12
• Philip Rivers Segment: 15:18–20:48, 41:46–43:24, 45:20–46:14
• Thursday Night Football Preview (Falcons vs Buccaneers): 24:40–32:18
• Mailbag (Q&A, Advice, Debates): 32:33–54:50

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Summary Table: Thursday Start/Sit Preferences

| Position | Player | Start Preference | Analysis | |-----------|----------------------|-------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | WR | Buka > Godwin > Evans| Buka #1 | Buka safest, Evans playable if active, Godwin high target share | | TE | Isaiah Likely > Pitts| Slight lean Likely| Bengals poor vs. TEs; Pitts risky, though good recent target shares | | RB | Bucky, Bijan | Both must-start | Both producing RB2 numbers or better, especially since their returns | | QB | Baker (Superflex) | Cautious start | QB14–QB12 range for the week, solid if you’re desperate or in Superflex |

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Episode Highlights & Tone

• Signature playful, self-deprecating banter amid genuinely sharp analysis.
• Extended riffing about Rivers’s age and comeback reminiscent of a sports sitcom.
• Honest disagreement (and laughter) over projections and start/sit choices.
• Deep-dive into actionable data—especially for tight ends and defensive streaming.
• Mailbag includes debates over etiquette & league rules, offering both principle and practicality.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

• If you’re in playoff contention, stay aggressive—even on a bye week.
• Check waivers for recently dropped players with upside and soft playoff schedules—Darren Waller and Isaiah Likely most notably.
• The Philip Rivers story is hilarious, bizarre, and potentially fantasy-relevant for Colts pass-catchers—don’t count on downfield production or deep threat WRs.
• Prioritize divisional matchups and playoff implications—Thursday's Buccaneers/Falcons game is critical for both teams’ playoff chances.
• The gang’s consensus slight preference on murky start/sits: Brian Thomas Jr. > Jordan Addison, Likely > Pitts, Buka > Godwin > Evans, Rodriguez > Kamara (stash).
• Reminder: Ensure your league has clear playoff waiver rules before drama erupts.

Classic quote to remember (19:12):
“Alec Pierce is going to be so tired and have zero targets.” — Mike

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Announcer]

Welcome to the fantasy Footballers podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome in.

The fantasy footballers podcast. Jason Moore, Mike the fantasy Hitman. I'm Andy Holloway. It's Wednesday, December 10th. Welcome into the podcast. Once again we have a great show for you. We have news to talk about. We've got a Thursday night game to preview. Your fantasy playoffs are here.

Unless you're on by I noticed I.

[Mike Wright]

Mean they're still here.

[Jason Moore]

I noticed appropriately in the comments that the by the first round by folks were. They were a proud bunch. They're a proud where my bi people.

[Mike Wright]

At as they should. The bye week brought the bi week boys and girls. All who have bi weeks. Yeah, we shall celebrate. I did respond to someone, I did respond to someone on on the the Twitter sphere and because they were like man, what do I do? You know, doing a humble brag of I got the bye week a Jason and Mike. I'm like, no. Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. You're right.

[Mike Wright]

You don't just sit back and do Nothing.

[Andy Holloway]

You are 100% right.

[Mike Wright]

You have an opportunity right now to be fully prepared. Everyone else is like this week, this week you get to look at next week.

[Andy Holloway]

Last week when I had clinched the playoffs, I did feel like it was the most real Bye week I'd ever had because we were still a week away from the playoffs even starting.

If you are on by you, pay attention. Do not take this week off. Be active, make waivers. Look at the future weeks. Look at your opponents. Figure out who you would be worried if they win and what their weakness is and snipe them. Be proactive. Mike is so infuriating with this. Like you, I hate that you don't rest on your laurels. I really wish you rested on your laurels.

[Mike Wright]

When you're up high, they're not that soft.

[Andy Holloway]

When you're up high, laurels are very rigid. I feel like you work, you work harder than broken glass. Yeah. If you're just like, you know, treading water, if you're skimming, the season's going average, whatever. But if you're, if you're coasting, if you're up at 30,000ft with no turbulence, you're like, right, I'm looking for a new route. How can I shave time off this flight?

[Jason Moore]

One of the reasons Mike has had some time to plan ahead is he's been locked in for like six, eight weeks in the plan.

[Mike Wright]

That does help, but that does help. Brooks is calling it the block, block, block, Stash, dash, stash.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. No, I mean, it's the right thing to do. But also.

Just make sure that you don't.

You still need to react to what happens this weekend because if you make all your plans and then something changes, defensive injuries for the defense that you fell in love with, that you stashed, opportunities that are brought forth by injuries, just make sure you're also reacting. And that's why we're still here. I mean this. If you're new to us this season, welcome. Yeah. Hopefully you've enjoyed the ride. We are five days a week, all the way through the end of. Yes, week 18.

[Mike Wright]

Sorry.

[Jason Moore]

But then we are still a year round show. We're still with you twice a week all the way through the off season.

[Mike Wright]

The footy awards are on the way when we get to celebrate. Slash dunk on our favorite and least favorite players of the season. And then we launch right into a series, we call it the truth series where we really look back because.

It'S never, it's honest, it's never too early to get ready for the 2026 fantasy football season. And don't. You don't want to leave the season with a distorted view of who was actually good because sometimes guys show up, they're in the top 15. And so you're like, well, next Year. I'm going to be in on that player. Did that player actually help you or did that player just like, how did they get there?

[Andy Holloway]

They call that the DJ Moore.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Did they spike. Did they have three spike weeks and then just a whole bunch of other crap that devastated you and you kind of forget about it. So we want to. We start preparing. We lock in. We remember the truth, we examine what happened.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And then we'll be into. I mean, draft season is not far behind it with, you know, free agency, the draft season, player prospects, all the stuff that we. We get primed up and you get into the Dynasty pass in February. So we're not talking about a huge break. We're here year round. Make sure you click that subscribe button on YouTube. YouTube.com the fantasy footballers subscribe. Click the bell and follow the show on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you're listening. And stay with us all off season as well. So the website, the fantasy footballers.com. all of our weekly rankings for the upcoming playoff week. Start, Sit tool, Ultimate Dashboard, Stream finder. All of the resources that have gotten better and better over the years. Shout out to the dev team, tirelessly working to make them better and to put them onto the mobile app. Fantasy Footballers mobile app as well. All right, we're going to jump right in.

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[Jason Moore]

So apparently we. Apparently we really needed a backup option at the lighting. I'm just gonna come out and say.

[Mike Wright]

It because I don't want the comments.

[Jason Moore]

To be just littered.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Mike noticed right before we were starting the show that I look a little red. And then I was like, oh, am I, like, getting sick or something? What's going on?

Hit the tanning booth.

[Mike Wright]

No, you're getting that red light therapy while we record.

[Jason Moore]

And so then I was like, okay, we dealt with it. We realized one of the lights is broken. And then of course, first thing, like Brooke says is, and he's not in here. You know, he's just like, is there.

[Mike Wright]

A red light on, Andy?

[Jason Moore]

So I know what's coming in the comments, and the answer is technically yes.

[Mike Wright]

How does a light break and then not stop working?

[Andy Holloway]

Just say, I'm red now. I have changed my colors.

[Mike Wright]

Your lights are. When they break, they just turn off.

[Jason Moore]

Do we know it's broken? Or should I point out that Al Borland isn't here for one day in Doozer's Al coincidence?

[Mike Wright]

I think not.

[Andy Holloway]

I tried to fix it.

[Mike Wright]

It's broken.

[Andy Holloway]

That's our point. That's our point.

[Mike Wright]

You tried to fix It I tried to fix it. After I broke it, I set it.

[Jason Moore]

To red and it hasn't been able to. No. So I am apparently red.

[Andy Holloway]

I tried to fix it but I don't know how.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Backup options. We like to look at players that are most the most dropped list on sleeper over the last 24 hours. We always talk about, I mean we had bye weeks last week. Players that have hit the waiver wire. Desperation pickups. The one that I was the most shocked at from a roster percentage standpoint.

[Mike Wright]

I love this.

[Jason Moore]

It's kind of the forgetfulness of K Sean Booty in New England.

[Mike Wright]

Can't forget that Booty.

[Jason Moore]

That's my point.

[Mike Wright]

The guy's coming through.

[Jason Moore]

That's right. So Keisha on Booty had the bye week, was coming off of an injury. The snap counts are back where they used to be. He has scored so many touchdowns this year. This is like a situation where I saw 45% rostered for K Sean Booty. That's kind of crazy to me. I mean you had A wide receiver 4 2011. Then he got hurt, came back, played 80% of snaps, didn't do much and then scored again last week against the Giants. You have Buffalo, Baltimore, New York. You have some big games. He's a big time player. I, you know, I look at what Drake may has been great at. Number one in deep passing in the NFL. Where's the bill's defense this week? 23rd. So I think K Shawn Booty is one of the best bets on a touchdown this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you worry? I don't know if you've seen this but Stefan Diggs his contract was very incentive laden and he has all he's like he can make like more than $2 million from here on out.

[Jason Moore]

If he's about to weak I couldn't.

He can care less about.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I do agree.

[Jason Moore]

Giggs doesn't have the notoriety to the name and the team has some very serious things to play for.

[Andy Holloway]

We will have some information on incentives as we get close to the end of the season. Those things really do matter. We've heard from coaches like I tried to get this guy the ball. I mean it doesn't always happen. There's no guarantee.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. The gravity of the game matters. Whether they make it a priority. If the game doesn't matter that much, they might do it.

[Mike Wright]

The Mike Evans thousand from last year so gross wasn't awesome. Weren't they supposed to be kneeling the ball out?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, I think there was a play. They basically went and got like they needed like five more yards. He got like eight more yards. And it was like you would usually knee this out, but it's like 14 targets.

[Mike Wright]

But they took the risk. Week 18, they said, we're going to get you there, Mr. Evans.

[Jason Moore]

And that's going to be harder this year.

[Andy Holloway]

These are human. Yeah. These are human beings. Friends. And they care about the contract. So it's legit. Yeah. I don't disagree that case on booty is a good pickup. I just basically wanted to bring up the digs reality that he's. He's going to be a squeaky wheel wanting that ball, wanting them yards. I'll go with mine because it should be pretty quick. Pretty quick and easy. Is Darren Waller. We talked about him a lot yesterday on the waiver wire show and you might be going, well, he wasn't on my waivers. That's my point. That's why I'm bringing him up today. Check today because he's on the most dropped list. So when your waivers run through, he might have been dropped. And this is not necessarily a pickup at play.

[Mike Wright]

Very high up on that list.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. I mean he's. He had a very down game they.

[Jason Moore]

Ran on Britain Strange too. I bet you both those guys are together.

[Mike Wright]

They are. They're right back to back.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, is he on that list as well? Yeah, exactly.

[Andy Holloway]

And so, yeah, Darren Waller. This is a beautiful matchup. Next. Not this week, but he's got the Bengals next week. And if you've got enough roster spots, you can do double duty here. Mike, I want to talk about yours. After you.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, just to be clear, Waller has the easiest schedule of all tight ends. The rest of the way number one.

[Andy Holloway]

He's targeted on 57% of his routes inside the 10 this year. That is number one in the NFL.

[Jason Moore]

So he's a great pickup.

[Mike Wright]

This week for Waller is still a plus matchup. It's not as great as next week, but it's good. 26. The matchup that Waller has next week, Isaiah likely has this week. Now, I haven't been in the starts of the week Doc, lately because I put my guy in. I imagine that Mark Andrews is probably listed by one of the two of you because he should be. But Isaiah likely.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my gosh. This dude could have been the talk of fantasy football right now.

[Mike Wright]

Multiple weeks in a row. He could have been talking.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, that's what I mean. He had two touchdowns taken away and one by him, one by the refs.

[Mike Wright]

He.

It's been a very disappointing season overall. I think for Mr. Likely, should you have made your wager that he was going to take over the job from Mark Andrews? That did not happen. That did not happen long term either, as Mark Andrews got the bag of money to be a Baltimore Raven for a few years. But Isaiah likely plays the Cincinnati Bengals. There's more than enough tight end production to go around. Mark Andrews can still have his game should you not have a great option at the tight end position this week. Just look at the. Look at the Bills of last week. Dalton, good. Cade, awesome game. Dawson Knox, who does not. He's not used as a pass.

[Jason Moore]

Well, my start of the week is Charlie Kohler.

[Andy Holloway]

So here's a cool stat from Ryan Heath of fantasy points. He was pointing out that the tight end two against the Bengals is scoring on average eight fantasy points per game, which isn't like, oh my gosh, that's amazing. But we're talking about the backup, the second tight end for their routes run. The list is like Isaiah likely. Remember when Austin Hooper had a good game against Cincinnati or John Smith or Dawson Knox?

[Jason Moore]

It's like, you want to know why? It's because the first guy's so tired, so exhausted, I can't catch any more passes.

[Andy Holloway]

So here's help. Here's. This is always tough when we want to say things, but we don't want to say him on the show. We're coming. This is from my life, my heart. Tell me if I am crazy or not. I want. I have Mark Andrews.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I want to drop Mark Andrews and pick up Isaiah likely. I want to play likely over Andrews. I think that he has a better matchup, has a high floor of yards. He had 90 plus yards against Cincinnati a couple of weeks ago. He's had 10 fantasy points two weeks.

[Jason Moore]

In a row and should be so much more.

[Andy Holloway]

He is the perfect play against the Bengals. I want to pick him up and play him. I'm worried that my opponent is going to pick Isaiah likely up. He's got Duncan Kincaid, so he probably won't. But like, that scares me and I'm. Is that insane for me to want. I went to do it this morning.

[Jason Moore]

Defensive move or to play.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no. To play him instead of Mark Andrews.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Yeah. I mean, I don't. I don't think that's crazy at all.

[Andy Holloway]

I went to do it this morning, unfortunately.

[Mike Wright]

Coin flip.

[Jason Moore]

But I feel like the bigger game potential is definitely with likely, right?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. If you want to say one of these guys ends up with like 18 fantasy points. Probably likely because the yards will be There Mark Andrews because he could easily have two touchdowns and end up with a great game. But he's probably not going north of 60 yards. Whereas if you want 100 yard game that that's Isaiah likely. I do think if you're struggling, great pickup to play this week and turns out I can't because I had two guys in the IR who are now ineligible. So I'll just roll with Andrews. But okay.

[Jason Moore]

The newly financially minted extended Mark Andrews. Yeah, that was backup options sponsored by Progressive Insurance quotes [e-mail].

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[Andy Holloway]

Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes. This is all I want to talk about. The whole show.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, Big Phil.

[Jason Moore]

Philip Rivers has a very real chance to start Week 15 against the Seahawks. He was signed to the Colts yesterday.

[Andy Holloway]

This is incredible. This is incredible. It doesn't even matter how it goes. It doesn't matter if he goes out.

[Jason Moore]

There and real gladiator thrown to the Lions thing. You either see somebody conquer a lion or you see them eaten by one. And either way you buy a ticket.

[Andy Holloway]

You buy a ticket because it's like I've never seen someone eaten by a lion.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

But also what about the power of man? If he overcomes. That is a great analogy. I mean he. This is a 44 year old who hasn't taken a hit in the NFL in half a decade. This could go real bad.

[Jason Moore]

I mean if you. There's this AI or this bit parody thing going around about Philip Rivers. This quote, don't believe that on this fake radio show. But he did go on Dan Patrick earlier this year and talked about the reason he had delayed signing a one day contract with the Chargers to retire a charger. And it was because in 2021 and 2022 he was working out, he was in playing shape, he was ready to go. There were teams that almost signed him at the end of the year. Basically this kind of perfect storm.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Team, you know, still three years ago. I know team, you know coach, you know offense, you know and I mean to be very clear, this reeks of un desperation.

[Mike Wright]

This is Saturday all over again.

[Jason Moore]

I mean it's awesome. I mean it. Maybe Saturday would play center for him. I mean maybe that's.

[Mike Wright]

No, no. We did get a report from.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, he's not doing that.

[Mike Wright]

He will not come out of retirement.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh wow.

[Jason Moore]

But I mean because I think the.

[Mike Wright]

Quote was because he knows I know my place.

My guy. My guy. You jumped into a head coaching position for.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, you would do the same.

[Mike Wright]

I'M I? Yeah, but I'm not like, oh, I know my place. I don't know.

[Jason Moore]

You don't know your place.

[Andy Holloway]

You can't have it both ways.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. That's not.

[Jason Moore]

Philip Rivers is apparently the player they want to send to Seattle to die. It's going to be amazing tv. I am.

This is as bad of a matchup you could ask for to go into Seattle off of five years of not playing football.

[Mike Wright]

Two touchdown Dogs.

[Andy Holloway]

Monday Night Football the following week is the Colts. And now we don't know if Philip.

[Mike Wright]

Rivers, all his games are the Colts 49ers.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I'm saying they're on Monday Night Football the following week. So this is prime time. Great television. We don't know if Phil Rivers is going to start this week. He might be live by then, he might not.

You know it's crazy because I see it as like what rag now? Yeah, I see it as a 6040 where it's like. I do think there is a chance.

[Mike Wright]

You have 40% that it goes well.

[Andy Holloway]

I do.

[Mike Wright]

What?

[Andy Holloway]

It's the opium, it's the hopium of having Jonathan Taylor.

[Mike Wright]

I'm like put down, brother.

[Andy Holloway]

I need it to go well. So I want.

[Jason Moore]

Stop it.

[Andy Holloway]

I want it to go well. I want Philip Rivers to go out there and sling the ball and throw for 270 plus yards and two touchdowns and be fine. I mean that's the dream and I'm giving it 40%.

[Jason Moore]

But the dream for Indianapolis is he is still good at handing the ball off and throwing four yard, four yard outs. If you think he's threatening down the field. The first downfield throw from Philip Rivers with his little shot put throwing motion.

[Andy Holloway]

This is, this is why it's Michael Pittman.

[Mike Wright]

No out routes.

[Andy Holloway]

I want Michael Pittman.

[Jason Moore]

I think it's the best for nobody.

[Andy Holloway]

And I think 15 targets for 80 yards.

[Jason Moore]

That's downs 10.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know down.

[Jason Moore]

That's, that's Warren.

[Andy Holloway]

It might be, it might be Warren. And hopefully Jonathan Taylor gets five check downs.

[Mike Wright]

Oh man, it's amazing. Alec Pierce is going to be so pissed.

[Jason Moore]

Oh my God.

[Mike Wright]

Oh yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Sorry Alec, you're. You're back to running wind sprints.

[Mike Wright]

He's going to be so tired and have zero targets.

[Jason Moore]

It's so, it's so wild.

[Andy Holloway]

What is the weather like in this game? Likely rain.

[Jason Moore]

It's so entertaining.

[Andy Holloway]

Anyways, that's, that is the most must watch thing in maybe years because I, it's, it's a science experiment. Like we have these kind of thoughts where it's like, what if, you know.

[Mike Wright]

What if the science on aging is already in Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. But not aging. Then coming back to the NFL after five years. This is a fascinating. It was. I mean, this is. You are 100% right, Mike. This is exactly like when the Colts hire Jeff Saturday, where you go, could you just hire someone who's a great leader and have him come in as a head coach who's never had coaching experience? Maybe, maybe. And it turned out Rivers, Rivers is.

[Jason Moore]

Four years older than his coach.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he is older than, I think 12 head coaches in the NFL right now.

[Jason Moore]

He's amazing. It's amazing because it's a little bit. All right, Brady, if like, literally, it's way less weird If Brady at 46 came back to do this.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Because Brady is TB12. My body is my temple. You know, like Philip Rivers two years, three years ago said he was a little too heavy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. He was like Dan asked him, could you come back and play? He's like, absolutely. Which was nice to hear him say, like, I could go play a game. He's like, I'm a little heavier. Okay, strike one. But then he followed it up and said, you know, I could sling it. I might be in a wheelchair on Monday. That's.

I know the difference of getting hit at, you know, 43 or getting hit at 38. It's bigger than you think.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Mike Tomlinson, DK Metcalf should be able to play in week 15 against the Dolphins.

I think it might be a good week for him. Again, Drum Ford on injured reserve for the Browns. And that was news and notes sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote Today at progressive.com, progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and third party insurers not available in all states or situations. Coverage subject to policy terms, limits and conditions. We'll take a break. We'll ask the producers to put like a green light on Mike and a blue light on Jason. And we'll be back in a minute. Yeah.

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[Jason Moore]

What was the drop that was too red for you that you couldn't handle?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, the panic alarm.

[Jason Moore]

Is that what that was?

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe that's what caused the problem.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Ironically, the one light that doesn't turn red. Not joking. I wish that people could see every light in here turns red except the one that is red. When you're not doing the painting.

[Mike Wright]

You can't turn red if you're red.

[Andy Holloway]

Fair. You can turn white, but apparently the light can still go white because it turned back to white.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know what's happening around these parts. It's breaking down, Jeremy. The season's almost over. Let's talk Thursday.

[Announcer]

Thursday night breakdown.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Breakdown. Perfect segue into this team. Atlanta 4 and 9, Tampa Bay 7 and 6. And just very thankful. They're thankful for the division that they play in. Tampa is.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Because they've been on. On a, you know, a rough stretch.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, Baker is clearly hopefully dealing with some kind of injury because he's not been playing very well. His. His catchable rate on his passes is not good. They're not throwing the ball that much either. Both of these teams right now ranked bottom five in pass rate over expectation for the last month. I don't know if that's because of the play. Maybe getting Bucky back has helped as well, that you can run the ball more. But this division will be either the Bucks or the Panthers in the playoffs. And fascinatingly, two of the next three weeks they play each other twice. So that's fun.

[Jason Moore]

Well, we do have news this morning. Mike Evans could play this week. On Thursday we might see him back out on the field. It is a very positive matchup, arguably the most positive matchup possible for wide receivers. Am I asking you to forgive and forget with a Mecca Buca? Yes, I am. That is what I'm asking you to do. The targets are something we are paying attention to. We talked about the lack of connection. Right. Baker not playing the MVP level football he was at the beginning of the year for whatever reason. Injury, out of sync, lack of Mike Evans, lack of whatever. It hasn't worked. I personally have no problem with a BUCA this week. I'm not playing Evans on the way back, but I'm watching closely. Are you guys risking it in a great matchup?

[Andy Holloway]

Mike Evans is someone that I am willing to play over. You know, like if I'm toying with like Devon Vale or someone that we talk about himself. Oh yeah, we've. We've got a matchup where we are starting Mike Evans.

[Mike Wright]

We currently are strongly considering. I would say it's the most likely thing we're going to do should Mike Evans be active. We're over over DJ Moore with no.

[Jason Moore]

Odunse.

[Mike Wright]

Over DJ Moore.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, I stop. Yeah, I get it. I'm just saying you're not buying into any hope that that gets better from more. He should have scored in the last game. I mean wide open on that target to love one in the back of the inside.

[Andy Holloway]

There was no dude, no Dunes a the last two weeks. Right. And he's had two catches and one big one week.

[Jason Moore]

I think a Dunes has missed One so far, but yeah, no, I don't. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just. Just curious about that.

[Mike Wright]

We're playing it.

[Jason Moore]

The matchup is last six weeks. Atlanta 32nd against wide receivers. So that, that's the. But you'd play a buka over Evans.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yes.

[Jason Moore]

So and. And Godwin, the target share. It's been there.

[Mike Wright]

I'll still play a buck over Godwin too.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I think my order in that game is a buka Godwin Evans.

[Mike Wright]

Yep. Yeah, I can agree with that.

[Jason Moore]

We don't have Kate Otten practicing right now, so you may need the wide receivers a little bit more. Kyle Pitts has been good on the other side. He has 34% target share last week. I don't know if we see Drake London again the rest of the year, unfortunately.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it feels that way. I don't know that you would want to rush him back. And you know it's a knee injury, so you don't want to make it worse.

This is a situation where you've got. He's played four games with Kirk Cousins. He was a tight end nine, the tight end six and the tight end seven and three of those four. So you.

[Mike Wright]

Would you rather go Kyle Pitts or would you pick up Isaiah Likely.

[Andy Holloway]

I would rather go likely.

[Listener]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I have the Kyle Pitts Dalton Kincaid decision this week in listener league and I am, you know, with the little bit of news that Kyle Pitts was being limited. But then you got the Thursday game. That's probably why I'm probably going to go Pitts.

[Mike Wright]

Really?

[Jason Moore]

I think so.

[Mike Wright]

I would lean Kincaid just telling you what I would do.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean look how, look how angry Andy got there. He's so red.

[Jason Moore]

Red Hulk.

[Andy Holloway]

Here we go.

[Jason Moore]

Didn't we have this happen one time on.

[Andy Holloway]

I think one of our cameras.

[Mike Wright]

I think it's happened the around the NFL tweeted this out. I think it's interesting for just for watching purposes, the Buccaneers playoff chances rise to 80% with a win on Thursday and they drop to 54% if they lose. So this you're. You're in must win territory now and.

[Andy Holloway]

It'S a divisional game. So this, you know, Atlanta, a lot of times you're like, well, teams that don't have much to play for, they want a better pick or whatever. When they're playing these divisional matchups, they're trying to play spoiler just like the Cardinals tried to spoil the Rams last week.

[Mike Wright]

And if you're curious about the 54%, it's because the Carolina Panthers guys, the Panthers might get into the playoffs.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Like a scenario I think I have not allowed myself to even think about until this moment in time right now.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, they're above.500.

[Listener]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

It's very possible.

[Jason Moore]

They play Tampa two more times. It's perfect for this, for this division. I mean, it's. You get head to head control of your destiny.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Both of them, basically, if they, if they win both of those games, whoever. If, if Carolina does, they're in. If, if Tampa does, they're in.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And I don't know that I really put their odds that low. Carolina is up and down this year. Tampa Bay up and down. Tampa Bay defense is not. You know, there was a time we were looking at them as the defense to grab for the playoff. Playoff defense, they're not good enough.

[Andy Holloway]

New, new report. Bowles said Mike Evans has shown everything he needed to show in practice to get activated and make his return Thursday. So looks like he's in.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, there you go. Bucky Irving, two games since his return. RB14 and RB12, plenty of touches. Looks great. Bucky is in. Thank you, Bucky. I needed you really badly for my playoff.

[Andy Holloway]

A lot of people, he's not finished lower than running back 19 on a week while he's been active.

[Jason Moore]

And Bijan, of course, you play him. I don't think a lot of people are feeling up to playing Baker Mayfield, but this would be a matchup that on paper looks like, you know, getting Evans back, having the three wide outs. I think it might work out.

[Andy Holloway]

He's. He's my quarterback 14. So certainly if you're in a two quarterback, you know, super flex league, he is in play as, you know, a decent flyer. But it's been a. It's been 12 for me. Yeah. Baker.

[Mike Wright]

Baker against Atlanta or C.J. stroud against the Arizona Cardinals.

[Jason Moore]

I would play Baker. I'd play Baker. I don't think the Cardinals. Yeah, we just disagreed.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, then how about Trevor Lawrence, who's been on. He's heating up.

[Andy Holloway]

Lawrence. I've got him two spots higher.

[Jason Moore]

I have Baker two spots higher. Okay, so we'll just disagree for you.

[Mike Wright]

Hey, the show's not about just agreeing with each other.

[Jason Moore]

That's true. It's about one of us being right and one of us being wrong.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Anything else from this game you want to talk about?

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, what?

[Jason Moore]

Get back to congrats to Tez Johnson for his little run of relevance.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, if Baker gets, if Baker gets back to what he was last year, what he was to start this year. And that might not be until next year, but I do think he could support a whole gaggle of wide receivers when he's in his prime, you know, if he's healthy and playing well.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, but one of those is not.

[Jason Moore]

Going to be Tez McMillan's on the way back.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Is this your drink over here? Yeah. Oh, okay. I just put one of my fingers into it. Sweet. All right.

[Andy Holloway]

That was my drink.

[Jason Moore]

All right. It was your drink. That was. It was just a coincidence.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Thanks for letting me.

[Jason Moore]

Don't make me angry.

[Mike Wright]

One in a million.

[Jason Moore]

One in a million. That's exactly what it felt like. I just was like, why is my finger in this drink? All right.

[Andy Holloway]

Awesome.

[Jason Moore]

I'm gonna hit this button.

[Announcer]

Mailbag.

[Mike Wright]

Mailbag.

[Jason Moore]

Show. From the jump on this show.

[Mike Wright]

Sticky finger now.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, from the red light. No. Al Borland. Some of the things I said. Into the mailbag we go. The Fantasy footballers dot com. Click the Submit a question button. Dial the voicemail hotline. 302464, TFFP. If you're not following us on social.

[Mike Wright]

Media, shame you're missing out.

[Jason Moore]

Instagram.com fantasy footballers. There's a great cut from yesterday's show that. Oh, yes, you could just.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Good work. Good work by Matt the Falcon.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, you could watch it on repeat constantly.

[Mike Wright]

I watched it a lot.

[Jason Moore]

It was so funny.

[Mike Wright]

Hope Jason's learned his lesson.

[Andy Holloway]

Nah, nah, nah. He gave us gold.

[Jason Moore]

He's a cool kid. All right, Voicemail question. Let's start it off.

[Listener]

Hey, ballers. Love the show. Quick question. Picked up the Niners defense for the first week of the playoffs. I have been rolling with Seattle. Do I play the Camborne matchup or ride the hot hand? Thanks.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

So I think this has happened to a lot of people. Where the Seattle. You assumed you were doing a Seattle pivot. This week.

[Mike Wright]

It's Niners versus Tennessee, and it's Seattle versus Pea River.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think either one's going to disappoint you. Personally, I. I think Seattle, they're such heavy favorites. I just don't see a scenario where anybody for the Colts at the quarterback position does enough to make you upset. You played Seattle. I don't mind you staying in the hot hand there.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's like if there's a better.

[Jason Moore]

Defense than the 49ers actually is. But I also feel like the 49ers is going to be pretty safe with Cam Ward if.

[Mike Wright]

If Philip Rivers doesn't Go for the Colts then. Oh, no. It might be Riley Leonard. And if it's not Riley. Oh, no. It might be Brett Rippon.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man. If Brett Rippon farts, is out there and the Seahawks and then if he doesn't, if he's not able to go, Tyler Warren is the. Is the backup quarterback. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And that would be a pure let's run the football. Pretty much.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm looking at our league of record scoring and on the course of this season, all defensive units. The number one scoring defense for our scoring is the Seattle Seahawks with 156 points scored on the season. The second place Houston Texans is down at 124. They have been. They do what scores in fantasy. So I would roll with the Seahawks.

[Jason Moore]

I think also in the back of your mind is the fact that Cleveland seemed like an amazing matchup against Tennessee last week and gave up a billion.

[Mike Wright]

Points to Tony Pollard. So superstar.

[Andy Holloway]

The only thing in the back of my mind is I remember being so excited to throw against the. To throw my defense in against old man Joe Flacco with no offensive line for the Bengals. And then he got the ball out so quick he couldn't give up a sack the entire game. It was like so frustrating.

[Jason Moore]

And you're, you're alluding to Rivers being able to do that.

[Andy Holloway]

Just snap the ball. Check it down.

[Jason Moore]

If you don't have a Philip Rivers jersey by the end of this week, I'll be really disappointed.

[Andy Holloway]

He's got some redemption to do for me. P. Rivers does.

[Jason Moore]

There's got to be some clearance Rivers Colts jerseys out there right now.

[Mike Wright]

No, wait a minute. You got to get the new one. He's not wearing the same number, is he?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure it's the same thing, man.

[Andy Holloway]

I would guess.

[Jason Moore]

I'm sure he's wearing the same one he took off.

Unless you want to customize it with P. River on the back. All right, into the next voicemail.

[Listener]

Hey, ballers. Eric in Kansas here. So matched up against the wife in playoffs round one. I've given her random lineup recommendations throughout the year whenever she asked my obligated to help her this week. Appreciate you guys as always. Peace out.

[Mike Wright]

This is the spouse versus spouse in.

[Jason Moore]

The fantasy football to help her.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, there's no. There's only is. Did he specify if this was the first year of her playing?

[Jason Moore]

I don't care.

[Andy Holloway]

See, that's the only way you could possibly justify giving her a little help.

[Jason Moore]

You've given her 15 weeks ahead playoffs is every.

[Andy Holloway]

If it's not her. If it's not her first year, then there's.

[Jason Moore]

House divided against itself. Cannot stand. The house is your team.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, like I'm stealing the lifeboat. Get out of here.

[Andy Holloway]

Room for one.

[Announcer]

Oh, Breaking news.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I don't even know what it is.

[Jason Moore]

Cardinals are not activating Trey Benson. His season is over.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, today's the day.

[Listener]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And a little bonus breaking news. Kate Otten officially doubtful. So he's not going to play.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man. Big culps.

[Andy Holloway]

Took me a second.

[Jason Moore]

You talk about the backup tight end, Devin Culp. Big culps, huh?

[Mike Wright]

Big gulps. Well, see you later.

[Andy Holloway]

Nice.

[Mike Wright]

Also, I blame Gannon for Benson getting hurt.

[Jason Moore]

Really?

[Mike Wright]

I'm just. Yeah. Anything I can throw it at the feet. In terms of blame for Jonathan Gannon.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to do it. I thought about this on the way home yesterday. I was driving home. I was thinking about it.

[Mike Wright]

The best way to fire him.

[Jason Moore]

No, the best thing we can do as a show. It's been years since we've had this. We need this graphic rebuilt number.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, we do. Yes, we.

[Andy Holloway]

There is a new number two.

[Jason Moore]

There's a new number two.

[Andy Holloway]

This dude sucks.

[Jason Moore]

There's only one way to get this guy out of town, and it is this.

[Announcer]

Drop number two.

[Andy Holloway]

We've done it twice before. We will do it a third time.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. They're fired. You'll get fired. I don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

By tomorrow that graphic is updated.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. We need to make sure. Deucers.

[Mike Wright]

I like to think in my egotistical world that we do have number two. Some pull or some sway with our silly, silly, stupid fantasy football show. Those coaches, they deserve a lot of credit for have gotten fired back then.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, right.

[Mike Wright]

It wasn't all like Adam Gaze, Arthur Smith. They did a lot. They did a lot on their own.

[Andy Holloway]

Heavy lifting.

[Jason Moore]

They did the majority of their.

[Andy Holloway]

Gannons put in the work.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

He really has.

[Jason Moore]

He gets. Now it's the reward time.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Go on vacation forever.

[Mike Wright]

That's the worst part.

[Andy Holloway]

It really is.

[Mike Wright]

Is his reward, should he be fired, is to collect massive, massive paychecks.

[Andy Holloway]

I feel like when you deserve it that bad, you should have to pay it back. You know, we're firing you. And also the money we gave you for the last year, you owe us that.

[Mike Wright]

Where's the NFL PA at? How did the coaches get guaranteed contracts? And the players who are actually. They're out there, who could suffer a.

[Jason Moore]

You ever met any of these owners, Mike? I'm just saying they like to do wild stuff.

[Mike Wright]

You need that guarantee as a football player on any given play, you can suffer a permanent physical disability to your life.

[Jason Moore]

You're saying.

[Mike Wright]

And then the team is just like, sorry about that. Hope you made enough money along the way. And the coaches are like, I'm just going to.

[Andy Holloway]

Coaches should not have guaranteed.

[Mike Wright]

It's ridiculous.

[Andy Holloway]

It should be like we pay you while you work for us.

[Mike Wright]

And if you guys just like the, just like the players. Players incentive based.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. But the minimum. I can tell you exactly why that happens.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

And that's the same thing that happens at the quarterback position with guaranteed contracts. It's the scarcity of the position. And you, you started to build demand or you started to build the guarantees in because it was a way to attract the best coaches to play for you.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Which is what you do with players now. It's just that it doesn't go through a 50. We need a revolution, a 55 man roster.

[Mike Wright]

I'm done with this. I'm done with fully guaranteed contracts for these coaches.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think you are.

[Mike Wright]

I am.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

The league may not be but it's nonsense.

[Jason Moore]

The number one most asked about player this week and for good reason. It's Tyler Warren and whether people stick with him play him. The number one starts at question on our website is Tyler Warren or Harold Fannin? I saw the weather for the Bears Browns game. Negative 20 is what I saw.

[Andy Holloway]

Is that what that feels like with the wind?

[Jason Moore]

Feels like wind chill. Negative 20.

I, I think that's a really tough decision. I don't like Tyler Warren against Seattle. In Seattle if you told me that new quarterback plus great tight end matchup, I would be like okay, I don't think you pivot from Tyler Warren to anybody but I think that fan and decision is tough. And I think the next one from Joe writing in on Instagram, Isaiah Likely or Tyler Warren, I think that is really tough. Now.

What would you do?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, these are very difficult questions and I'll say that with all of them. Whether it's Isaiah Likely or, or Fannin or whoever. Just deciding whether you can start Tyler Warren is the first hurdle. If Philip Rivers is active, I will be starting Tyler Warren. I do think Philip Rivers is not going to go out there and throw for 88 yards. And even if he goes and throws a couple interceptions, he's going to throw for 200 yards. If he does, Tyler Warren will be involved. And while the matchup against Seattle on a team level is a difficult matchup against tight ends, they're 27th in fantasy points Given up to tight ends. It's not the scariest matchup. I think Philip Rivers can get the ball to him, so I will.

[Jason Moore]

If he doesn't have a jersey by the end of the week, I'm sitting here trying to bet on like. How do I bet you on the 200 yard thing you just said? That's what I've been thinking about.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's go.

[Mike Wright]

200.

Oh, this is. That's a handshake.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. That he had 200.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

200 yards. $100.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

You didn't have to do that.

[Andy Holloway]

I didn't.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I believe.

[Mike Wright]

No, you don't.

[Jason Moore]

I do.

[Andy Holloway]

I really do. You don't believe. You hope.

[Jason Moore]

You need to believe.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Your team.

[Andy Holloway]

I believe in my hope. I believe in my hope. My hope is enough.

[Jason Moore]

You have Jonathan Taylor, Michael Pittman. There is a reason your psychology is what it is.

[Andy Holloway]

Dude, if. Phil, Phil, if you do this to me again for a second time years after you retire, I mean, you're asking.

[Jason Moore]

A lot from this dude.

[Andy Holloway]

I am asking a lot from you, Philip, and I expect it, I hope for it.

[Jason Moore]

And I'd like to know after we shook hands what his line is yardage wise.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, no.

[Mike Wright]

I had no idea it was up.

[Andy Holloway]

He has a line, brother.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. You're so good at guessing how high in the 200s is his line, Jason?

[Andy Holloway]

It'll be like 189.

It's lower.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, because it's 44 year old Philip Rivers.

[Jason Moore]

Jason, come on, man.

[Andy Holloway]

165.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

What? 150.

[Jason Moore]

152.5.

[Andy Holloway]

Holy moly. Well, I know what I need to go. Do you? I know he's going to be over 200.

[Jason Moore]

And you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to send you the 100 right now. So you have to send me 200. And I'm going to pull the same move on you that you pull on me.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my gosh. 152.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

What am I doing?

[Jason Moore]

You're really.

[Andy Holloway]

You've got a lot of opium. I am literally fueled by opium right now in Philip Rivers.

[Jason Moore]

That's right. I'm sending you.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not seeing clearly guys.

[Jason Moore]

Hundred dollars right now. All right, we'll take a break. We'll be right back.

[Mike Wright]

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[Mike Wright]

It did just get worse for you, Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

The line moved down.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, the line is there. But for a quarterback to throw a touchdown, he is in plus odds.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jason Moore]

What?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but wow.

[Mike Wright]

As in they think that he is more likely to not throw a touchdown. A singular pass.

[Jason Moore]

Can you figure out why?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, because they're dumb, that's why.

[Jason Moore]

It's Philip Rivers 44, going to Seattle.

[Mike Wright]

I 12th, man. I felt like I was just going to watch a man.

[Jason Moore]

This game just got. Now I'm so twice as entertaining.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, the Jason has brought me in.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

I am so ready for this.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

I will let you get out of the bet if you send me back right now. You can. You can give me like an extra 25 on my hundred.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I'm taking your hundred. I'm investing it right now.

[Mike Wright]

I may not have it come Sunday.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we got another voicemail.

[Listener]

Ballers, stop this. Han Chulo from New York. Next question. Would you start Brian Thomas Jr. Or Jordan Addison. Never tell me the odds. Just tell me who to start.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. I thought. Did that man say his name was Han Cholo? What?

[Andy Holloway]

I didn't.

[Mike Wright]

Play it again. Play it again.

[Jason Moore]

You want the whole thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Play it again.

[Listener]

Ballers, stop this Han Chulo from next question. Would you start Brian Thomas Jr. Or Jordan Addison?

[Mike Wright]

Brian Thomas Jr. Just tell me who to start. Jordan Addison versus Dallas. Jordan Addison before I landed on Isaiah likely as my backup option. Jordan Addison was going to be my backup option versus Dallas Addison is interesting.

[Jason Moore]

Because he's a backup option. Yeah. I mean, it's Brian Thomas.

[Mike Wright]

Brian Thomas is a regular option.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And it's. It would be, you know, the most fantasy football thing for us to circle back to Brian Thomas Jr. Having a hand in fantasy championships after having a hand in nobody making the playoffs that drafted him.

[Mike Wright]

Brian Thomas. You should. Y' all should check out the this week's Dynasty podcast I was on with Bets and Borg. We did some Dynasty differences And Brian Thomas Jr. Was talked about a good amount and I have.

[Jason Moore]

I think both these guys are definitely. They could both have a great week.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. But I'm. I would play Brian Thomas.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we all would.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

All right, Classic yearly debate question. Rob Henry, if you are eliminated from the playoffs, is it bad form to prioritize waiver pickups?

[Mike Wright]

I am on the side of no.

Because what number one your league should have.

It should have some incentive to not finish last. And if you have that, it's hard.

[Jason Moore]

If it's a non keeper, non dynasty league and it's pure redraft and you're out of the playoffs and you're in the playoff weeks. I do understand not having people participate because it feels like it's an act of collusion because it will be intentional towards one person.

[Mike Wright]

I understand. Yeah, I understand the arguments for not letting it happen, but also I understand the arguments for screw you. I'm not letting you get players all this like. So you're saying, let's say Tank Bigsby's on the waiver wire and we go into the playoffs, Saquon Barkley is going to miss time. So now the competition for Saquon Barkley should only be six people.

[Jason Moore]

Maybe. But I think you need to have this as a league rule. And if it's not a league rule, then you need to let people then.

[Mike Wright]

Live your life, go ruin everyone else.

[Jason Moore]

Want to do for sure. The only reason I say it the way that I did is like if you're the one with Saquon and then a non playoff team goes after your backup, it feels like an attack on you.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And in by extension benefiting the other opponent in the matchup, which doesn't feel like it's because it's not me. It feels like collusion. Because it's not me versus you at that point. I would normally pick up Tank Bigsby to keep him away from you. Because I want to beat you in the game or in the season.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

But because I can't participate in that active part of beating you, me, my team, I feel like I probably. If it were my league and there were no incentives, there's no punishment last place, not a keeper league, I would probably prohibit post playoff signing from non playoff.

[Andy Holloway]

I used to be adamantly on your side, Mike, and over time I have, I think I've gone like, I'm not super against it, but I think I, my, my toes are in the water of the against it side and it doesn't feel too chilly.

[Jason Moore]

We can fix that with just, just make it competitive for the non playoff teams to do something. A punishment for last place justifies a signing of anybody. Just make sure that there's a reason. But if it is like pure lame duck six teams, I probably don't let them do. But again, it has to be a league rule. It can't be somebody just going like when it happens. Can't just be in the playoffs. You're just, what are you doing? Yeah, just set a rule up before the year. Otherwise live with it. Sucker.

[Mike Wright]

And I don't want to be in last place.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't remember which NFL player was just interviewed like a week ago talking about, hey, your team's out of the playoffs. You know what, what are you guys playing for? And he came out and said, we're just, I'm playing to ruin other people's like championships, their playoff hopes. And so it's like, yeah, you can, you could just play to ruin it for other people.

[Jason Moore]

Matt says, burn it down. Is it worth keeping Alvin Camara on my roster or should I drop him and stash Chris Rodriguez for a championship week against Dallas?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, interesting. I don't know that I've heard anything about Camara.

[Jason Moore]

I would 100% sign Chris Rodriguez. I think Camara. You have two things that have to happen with Camara because this team's not going to be relevant down the stretch for a playoff run. You have to have him get healthy and you have to have him get enough work in this offense to be viable. Why wouldn't the team want to see more Devin Neal? We have no clue that Alvin Camara's. I mean, why even play him if he's partially hurt? And then when he was healthy he wasn't that good anyways. I would pick up Rodriguez.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I don't blame you there. It was also 2022 was the last time Alvin Camara has finished a season he's good at. He's good at just kind of getting hurt at the end of the season and then they don't have anything to play for. You don't rush him back. He's got a big contract. I don't know. I'm not saying that he absolutely doesn't come back this year, but I think the most solid argument, Andy, is that you could argue if Alvin Camaro was back in the matchup, who would you rather play, Chris Rodriguez or Alvin Camara? Straight up. And I think Rodriguez is probably the answer.

[Mike Wright]

However you say his name, like Devin Neal, having success makes it even harder. Rodriguez makes it even harder for them to just go back to him. See what you got in the kid.

[Jason Moore]

I think this is a good question to finish on. It's not good for us because we have to answer it. It's tough. Jason's got it from Ari Cotter. She says here she says should I start Michael Wilson against Houston? Just that question. Not a. Not another player. Just should I play Michael Wilson, who has been unbelievable. He's had his pace in the four games or actually I guess it's five games since. I'll give him the full five. Five games since Jacoby Brissette was named the starter on pace for 214 targets, 146 receptions, 1751 yards and seven touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

And his pace in the games without Marv is over 200 receptions, over 2,500 yards.

[Jason Moore]

The Cardinals are in a position where they will lose miserably.

Houston is an incredible defense. And so the question you ask yourself with Michael Wilson is will there be a part of this game where the Houston Texans defense schematically sits back and lets the Cardinals waste the clock completing receptions for a quarter and a half for to two quarters.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that is 100% accurate. And because that is the genuine question, Eileen, that I don't want to play Michael Wilson this week. I made him my start of the week last week.

This week like Brissette. We have been saying every single week you start Brissette. Every single week. He has not finished outside the top 12 on a single week. We have said he's not a streaming option anymore. He's a must start guy this week. I'm not starting Jacoby Brissette. The only opportunity I believe for success is what you just described. The Texans are up so much that for a quarter they drop back and allow them to just have Easy garbage time yards. And if that happens, that's still not a guarantee of a good fantasy output.

[Jason Moore]

No. And their pass rush, even in that situation with Foreman rushing the quarterback, the Cardinals just lost Paris Johnson for the year. They Jacoby Brissette could be sacked into oblivion.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And by the way, Marvin Harrison could play if Marv.

[Mike Wright]

If Marv is out, I will play Michael Wilson I over Justin Jefferson.

[Jason Moore]

Because I will play Jefferson.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man.

[Mike Wright]

Probably not. Probably not Jefferson.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think I'm going to play. That's probably the gosh. You know. Put on the non. Put on the underpants. Mike, if you just give me some regulars. Just you just let me bust open a regular. A new fresh.

[Announcer]

Steel underpants.

[Jason Moore]

I think it's a fresh pair of steel underpants to go put Jefferson in over Michael Wilson after what's happened in the last four weeks. But I will do it.

[Andy Holloway]

Feel like you're ruining my tomorrow.

[Jason Moore]

I am.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, we'll see.

[Jason Moore]

I didn't know. I don't know. I don't know what your tomorrow is.

[Mike Wright]

There you go.

[Andy Holloway]

It's Thursday.

[Mike Wright]

Very nice. Good. Goodbye. I mean goodbye.

Crazy pants over here. Gonna.

[Jason Moore]

Philip Rivers 152.5. Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh man.

[Jason Moore]

Free money.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't see the light. I'm looking.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

Bye.

[Announcer]

Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com and follow us on twitterffballers.

[Andy Holloway]

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