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Mike Wright
This is Alan Lazard, aka the Lazard King, wide receiver for the Green Bay packers and you're listening to Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.
Andy Holloway
Oh, welcome in Wednesday, August 5, it's a mock draft show. Every moment leading into the mock draft will be marked by potential manipulation of you two gentlemen. That Alan Lazard intro is only there to it.
Alan Lazard
Did build build my hype convince you.
Andy Holloway
To take him around earlier than he.
Alan Lazard
Should go, Mike, I do like Alan Lazard. You do? I've been a strong supporter of his and we did have some hype train pieces.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. Yesterday, which you made us aware of.
Alan Lazard
Oh, did I?
Andy Holloway
Welcome into the Fantasy Football League.
Alan Lazard
Devonte Adams is super excited to see what Alan Lazard is going to do this year.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, yeah. I mean this is, this is the Lazard year. I would go third round. That's all I'm saying.
Mike Wright
I was going to say if you, if you're convincing us to take him around early. Does he now qualify for yesterday's quick question of your last pick in the draft of who you're taking?
Alan Lazard
Yes, because he goes from undrafted to drafted.
Andy Holloway
I was going to say, I don't, I don't bring him up because I figure by the time people are actually drafting, Mike will have moved his adp. Well ahead of that.
Alan Lazard
I'm working on it, yeah.
Andy Holloway
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Alan Lazard
I like to sit in an atrium.
Andy Holloway
While I. Yeah, I do most of my studying outside. Yeah, I mean, not in Arizona.
Mike Wright
I mean, this year we're have a lot of virtual drafts. I highly recommend drafting from the atrium.
Andy Holloway
Yes.
Mike Wright
If you are in your home, make sure you go to your atrium first with your laptop. Or if you have to, you might need to bring a small desk and your PC in there. But always draft from the atrium.
Andy Holloway
I always draft from the atrium or the conservatory. But when I do the conservatory, I have to move the peloton.
Alan Lazard
I was gonna say you gotta do it from the belly.
Andy Holloway
You can draft from your peloton in the conservatory.
Mike Wright
I can screen and use that? Yes, absolutely. Yes.
Andy Holloway
It's that or the sitting room. I can't decide. But let's kick it off with some buy Sell today.
Mike Wright
Buy or Sell, presented by Pristine auct.
Andy Holloway
If we figure out that more of our listeners than I, than I know about have atriums, we got to change the price on this thing. We got to change the price on the udk. We got to add some more commas or something.
Alan Lazard
When you talked about the sitting room, that reminded me strangely of, like, walking rooms. You guys remember Scrooge McDuck had the room where he would just. It had the.
Andy Holloway
It was just for walking.
Alan Lazard
He had the circle that it was. It was a. And he would do laps in there and just think, like, instead of a sitting room, to think he had a walking area.
Mike Wright
Well, of course, we don't remember that sitting room, Mike.
Alan Lazard
Well, yeah, he had at least five, but I'm saying, how are walking rooms? Not a thing.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Alan Lazard
What happened to this?
Andy Holloway
They stopped with Downton Abbey, I think. I think that was the end. All right, buy or sell. Joe Burrow Over 3,700 passing yards and 24 passing touchdowns in his rookie season. Those are Andy Dalton's averages over his six full years as the Bengals starter. Over 3,700 passing yards, 24 passing touchdowns. I will say Brooks made this difficult, this question difficult. If I was just looking at passing yardage, it's a slam dunk. I think 3,700 passing yards is easy. I would probably take. I would probably buy over 4,000.
Alan Lazard
Is that because Baker Mayfield did it?
Andy Holloway
No, no, no, no. I don't basically start all 16 games. Well, that's. That's compelling. Yeah. Rookie quarterbacks nowadays, this is not a hard line to hit. And when you combine that with what Zach Taylor showed last year his willingness to.
Alan Lazard
Well, it's hard because we've only seen two. Oh, two. Two rookies hit both of them.
Mike Wright
Right.
Alan Lazard
I was like.
Andy Holloway
Well, I just mean rookie quarterbacks have opportunity. And the passing offenses in today's NFL, they are just more conducive to the yardage totals. I'm not going to look back to 1990s rookie quarterbacks. I'm not sure Tory Aikman ever hit 3,700 passing yards in a season.
Mike Wright
So Cam was over 4,000 yards, but he 21 touchdowns.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, that.
Mike Wright
Anyway, that's going to say. And about 2500 rushing touchdowns that year.
Andy Holloway
That's the number that's hard. The 24 passing touchdowns in his rookie year.
Mike Wright
Well, what do you. Do you have your exact numbers that you have projected him for? Because this is a high bar for a rookie quarterback. But I think we all agree that this is a really good prospect who has a great receiving core.
Alan Lazard
Apparently. I'm in. I looked at my projections and I got him down for 3,800 yards. And I got 28 passing touchdowns coming from Joe Burrow.
Andy Holloway
Whoa, that is a lot. I have him at 23.
Alan Lazard
Look, apparently I'm more in on Joe Burrow than I remember.
Andy Holloway
So you're buying? I'm selling that 24 is going to be tough. I think he gets over the passing yard mark. Jason, what do you think?
Mike Wright
I have him statted out for an incredible rookie season. I have him for.
Alan Lazard
Do you?
Mike Wright
I do. I have him for 4200 yards. For 4191 and 27 passing touchdowns. So I do believe. I mean, you know, it's one of those.
Andy Holloway
Sounds like a great season for A.J. green. To me, quarterback sounds like a great A.J. green season.
Mike Wright
I mean, quarterbacks are notoriously hard to scout.
Alan Lazard
Give me. Give me your stat line again.
Mike Wright
For A.J. green.
Alan Lazard
No, no, no. For Joe Burrow.
Mike Wright
4,191 yards and 27 touchdown.
Alan Lazard
How does Joe Burrow possibly hit that mark without AJ Green having a great year?
Mike Wright
I can. I mean, I could tell you all of my stats match up. His receiving core matches his passing line.
Alan Lazard
Here comes the John Ross numbers.
Andy Holloway
Here comes the out and Tate breakout season.
Mike Wright
Look, I've got John Ross with 535 yards and four touchdowns.
Alan Lazard
Has he ever done that?
Mike Wright
That's not outlandish.
Andy Holloway
He's 506 for three last year.
Mike Wright
Yeah, in eight games in half a season.
Andy Holloway
He's a superstar.
Mike Wright
I mean, that's not a big number. 504.
Alan Lazard
It's a big Number for John Ross.
Mike Wright
Okay. Tyler Boyd. 930 and five touchdowns. That's not outlandish. No.
Alan Lazard
Where is the production coming from?
Mike Wright
It's coming from everyone.
Andy Holloway
So far, we're up to 1500 of your 4300 passing yards. Go on.
Mike Wright
Okay, here's. Here's.
Alan Lazard
Give me that Usama line.
Mike Wright
Usama with 289 and three. I mean, who's getting the borough yards? Here's. Well, you've still got A.J. green, who's almost near T. Higgins for 2000. It's T. Higgins, I think, is the. Is the big differentiator here that's bringing the other wide receivers down. 630 yards, four receiving touchdowns. All of my stat lines, to me, I think are good. When I read these, I'm not like, what? That's crazy. I think those are accurate. And this is how when you look.
Andy Holloway
At 2000 short, when you look at.
Mike Wright
The team, well, you got, you know, the running back, receiving yards, Geo.
Andy Holloway
And I am Curious, what's your AJ Green Line? I have him for 74 receptions. 10, 87 and 6.
Mike Wright
I have them. 66.
Alan Lazard
Those are rookie numbers. You got to pump those up.
Andy Holloway
I know they're rookie numbers.
Mike Wright
I've got them for 66 receptions, 925 yards, and six touchdowns.
Andy Holloway
Okay, this turned into an A.J. green question.
Mike Wright
They all.
Alan Lazard
It is. It's related. If Joe Burrow has a great year, to me, it's because A.J. green is playing.
Mike Wright
I mean, the receiver yards really are pumped up by Rodney Anderson, of course.
Alan Lazard
Yeah, they are. Rodney and Drew Sample.
Andy Holloway
What's interesting, though, 80 yards. I was thinking about this. You.
Mike Wright
I do have Rodney Anderson. 82 mini. No, it's a. It's 82. Few, I expect. 160.
Andy Holloway
If he makes the team, it will be a spectacular moment for me. He's. He's on the. He's on the pup. Just so you know, I am well aware.
Mike Wright
My Twitter tends to share all Rodney Anderson news with me.
Andy Holloway
We should start a new business. You remember pagers? We should sell player pagers. And you buy a pager and it's specific. Just news for like, Mike's got like a Blake Jarwin pager on his. On his belt.
Mike Wright
I mean, you sold me with the alliteration. If I'm being honest, a player pager sounds like trademark. Yep.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Mike Wright
Let me go, Shark Tank.
Andy Holloway
I'm in. Here's the thing that's interesting about the Burrow situation. Even for Kyler, like, it's very easy when we look at, you know, let's Say you look at Green Bay and you found out that I don't know, Devonte Adams was out for the year. How would you feel about that quarterback situation? You poor probably poorly if Matthew Stafford lost Calvin Johnson years ago. Not a great, you know, situation. Kyler Murray's getting DeAndre Hopkins.
Mike Wright
Sure.
Andy Holloway
You know, a player like Joe Burrows picking up AJ Green. I don't know if we look at the return as much as we look at the loss sometimes, but it'll be I think Joe Burrow is going to have a good year because I think they're going to give him the chance to throw the football and that's all it takes. Not playing conservative.
Alan Lazard
So I mean with those numbers Jay, then like Burrow has to be one of your favorite late round targets.
Mike Wright
He actually is a guy that when I look at late rounds we've had the question of what super late drafted quarterback has a chance to explode and really shock us. And Joe Burrow is one of my go to answers for that. I have him@quarterback18 so he's not a guy that I'm looking to be my normal starter necessarily. But if a draft breaks the right way, I think Gardner or Burrow.
Andy Holloway
If you had to play a play them 16 games, I have them back.
Mike Wright
To back in my rankings. I've got Joe Burrow one spot ahead.
Andy Holloway
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Alan Lazard
Not that I'm aware of anything. I mean unless we want to go back to the Ellen Lazard News, we.
Andy Holloway
Are going to mock draft.
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Andy Holloway
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Mike Wright
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Andy Holloway
Thank you.
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Andy Holloway
Speaking of a million dollars, when we mentioned that Leshawn McCoy had a one year, $1 million contract on that Monday episode, Mike, you said, yeah, no money. And we both said, no money. And people were on Twitter saying, Man, $1 million. Look, no money.
Alan Lazard
We're talking about investment from an NFL team.
Andy Holloway
It was just funny. Our reaction. All right, let's do some. A very special, very head to head to head mock draft.
Mike Wright
The fantasy footballers mock draft.
Andy Holloway
All right. We are doing a mock draft today. It is a full PPR league, 12 team league. And another wrinkle, we're adding to today's mock draft. We're going three wideout. So full ppr, three wide receiver, two running back, one quarterback, one tight end, one flex. We did not know our draft spots until moments ago when I clicked begin draft. And no one's happy. No, I'm not thrilled. But it's interesting, especially in a PPR 3 wide receiver draft. Mike is at pick 8, I'm at pick 9, Jason's at pick 11. Kick this thing off. So in the first round, McCaffrey, Barkley, then Michael Thomas. Michael Thomas sneaking ahead of Ezekiel Elliott.
Alan Lazard
Well, three wide out.
Andy Holloway
Exactly. Then Alvin Camara, Dalvin Cook. And to Mike's chagrin and to my.
Alan Lazard
Edwards despair, yes, as you said, very nice.
Andy Holloway
Clyde Edwards Allaire at 107. What do all the running backs drafted ahead of Mike have in common? They all catch the football. Full PPR league. So Mike's on the clock. We're here. Pick eight.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Alan Lazard
So the running backs available, you know, Derek Henry, Mix and Drake, Miles Sanders, Austin Eckler. Interesting guys. I mean, aside from Henry, not really a pass catcher or we're down to this other tier. Meanwhile, the fact that I have to have three wide receivers and the number two guy is still there. I'm going to try this out and I'm going to go with Devonte Adams here. I'm not going to take a running back with my first pick. I want. I'm going to get a wide receiver who I believe firmly has a chance to be the number one guy. I mean, he was.
Mike Wright
He was dumped.
Alan Lazard
My number one guy. He was dominant. I mean, you're talking. This is a wide receiver who can hit that 30% market share. And. And I think Rogers has enough left to make Adams the number one guy.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. And this is when push comes to shove on players like Derek Henry. You're in a league with a full PPR format, multiple wide receiver spots, and.
Alan Lazard
I couldn't do it.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. And neither can I. Oh. The decision I'm staring down is between two players right here. I have the same kind of impulse as you do, Mike, to try out that first round wide receiver. The draft is conducive for it. And Julio Jones would be the wide receiver I would take here.
Alan Lazard
Interesting.
Andy Holloway
But I am tempted. I am tempted by a running back.
Alan Lazard
Tilting with the.
Andy Holloway
No, I'm not tilting. I'm going to take him because I really believe in him and in this.
Alan Lazard
He won't make it back.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. I'm taking Josh Jacobs.
Alan Lazard
Yep.
Andy Holloway
Josh Jacobs is my pick this year to go from tier two running back up to tier one. So I'm taking him here in the first round. Josh Jacobs at 109. I see him very close to Dalvin Cook in production this year, and Cook went at 106. Derek Henry went next, which puts Jason on the clock with one of his favorite running backs available.
Mike Wright
Two of my favorite running backs, but.
Alan Lazard
Which one do you take the risk with?
Mike Wright
Yeah, I mean, that. That is definitely the question. So right here, Julio is. Should be in consideration.
Alan Lazard
Sure.
Mike Wright
As Andy said. But because there are two running backs that I genuinely love, that I think are both.
Andy Holloway
You should disclose them.
Mike Wright
They are Kenyon Drake and Miles Sanders. And the Miles Sanders. You know, I love both of these running backs. I like their upside, I like their floor. But if I have to make a decision, which I do, I'm going to go by my statistics, my rankings.
Andy Holloway
You certainly do.
Mike Wright
And that would end up putting my running back one. Who do you guys think I'm taking out of this?
Alan Lazard
I think you're taking Kenyan Drake.
Mike Wright
You are incorrect.
Alan Lazard
Oh, my goodness. Your Miles Sanders hype has grown to that level.
Andy Holloway
You should have taken Joe Mixon. That should have been the.
Mike Wright
Oh, Joe Mixon is. I have. I have. Despite all the Joe Burrow talk about what could be, I do have problems with Joe Mixon and in fact, the running backs that went right ahead of me. You know, it was one of those things where I expect Josh Jacobs to get more involved in the Passing and I do. But in a full ppr, he's a little bit scary for that reason. Derek Henry not going to be involved. Still going to be great, but he's not going to be involved in a full ppr. I want a pass catcher and I think Joe Mixon fits that bill where he just has not been very involved. He's talented, he can do it, but he hasn't been involved. Here I am, two picks later, DeAndre Hopkins, Tyree Kill go off the board.
Alan Lazard
You played the game and you won. So you can start with Kenyan Drake and Miles Sanders.
Mike Wright
Yeah. And I could also hear go, Julio if I wanted to split and go running back, wide receiver. I do not. I know it's three wide receiver, but I like.
Andy Holloway
Oh, Julio, please get back to me.
Mike Wright
Oh, he might. I really enjoy. I really enjoy. Sorry I couldn't find Drake. I was like, wait, am I wrong? I like starting in these leagues where you have multiple wide receivers with really strong running backs so that I can pivot for a while, have fewer running backs on my roster and more wide receivers, more depth for a three start position. I will certainly at the end of the strap, have far more wide receivers than running backs. But that only works if my running backs are solid.
Andy Holloway
All right, so right now, Jason started out with Kenyan Drake and Miles Sanders.
Mike Wright
Close. Miles Sanders and Kenya Drake.
Andy Holloway
Okay. Thanks, Jason.
Mike Wright
You are welcome.
Andy Holloway
After Sanders went, it was Hopkins, it was Tyree Kill, then Kenyan Drake. Then unfortunately for me, maybe fortunately, it's Julio Jones, which puts me back into the position where, look, I'm always, I'm always running back heavy. But this is a three wide receiver draft, so I need to be fair with who's on the board. You have Chris Godwin in a full ppr.
Alan Lazard
Yeah. Could be very nice.
Andy Holloway
One of the very few players that I think, you know, it's 100 catch type of player. Alan Robinson's in that category too. Those two guys stand out to me. You've got Joe Mix in here who I just talked about, who I like more than Miles Sanders and Kenyon Drake. You've got Nick Chubb who's in that category of okay, some people doubting the pass catching, but this is the player that, you know 1400 plus rushing yards last year.
Alan Lazard
Yeah, he's more like a Derek Henry, especially with Cream hunt on the team.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. Yep. And I do have players at the running back position down the line that I like the potential for in a ppr. I think David Montgomery is going to catch a lot of passes this year. I think David Johnson is going to catch a lot of passes this year.
Alan Lazard
Agreed.
Andy Holloway
And so I think I will. I think I will pivot from kind of my two wide receiver, traditional, two running back, or, sorry, two running back kind of traditional start that we've seen in recent mocks. And I'm going to go with Chris Godwin here.
Alan Lazard
Okay.
Andy Holloway
In the second round.
Alan Lazard
So I'm up.
Mike Wright
You are?
Andy Holloway
Yep.
Alan Lazard
All right.
Andy Holloway
You were up right away here.
Alan Lazard
I know who you're taking. You're darn right I'm taking.
Mike Wright
Is he awesome?
Alan Lazard
You're right, he's awesome. Awesome. Meckler, the ultimate PPR running back has dropped to me. I get it. There's volume concerns with Torod Taylor or possibly with the rookie quarterback, but he's got the bag. He's the main guy.
Andy Holloway
So this is really a moment, though. I mean, I know it's a joke because you love Austin Eckler, so it's funny.
Alan Lazard
Right?
Andy Holloway
But you're talking about you're going to take Austin Eckler here.
Alan Lazard
I'm going to take Austin.
Andy Holloway
You're going to take him ahead of Joe Mixon, Nick Chubb, Aaron Jones. Those would be the three names that are kind of, I think, shocking in a full ppi.
Alan Lazard
I will say this about Aaron Jones. Jones probably would have been my pick, but I'm not going Packer.
Mike Wright
Packer.
Alan Lazard
I'm not starting. I'm not pulling a Jason Moore miss with my second round pick. I got to diversify on the teams where I am, so I'm taking Austin Eckler.
Mike Wright
I am looking at Mike's rankings to see how his heart. Because when we draft here, we don't. We don't always have, you know, we're going with our instincts and they line up perfectly. You're. Austin Eckler is your highest with the sole exception of Aaron Jones, who said you would have taken. But you don't want the Packer. Packer. Well done, Mike.
Alan Lazard
Thank you.
Andy Holloway
Well, Mike has Devonte Adams and Austin Eckler, and then Joe Mixon went next. Let me walk through the picks first.
Alan Lazard
All right?
Andy Holloway
Allen Robinson, then Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, juju Smith, Schuster and George Kittle. Aaron Jones, Lamar Jackson in the third round, first pick of the third round. So Mahomes went ahead of him in this draft. D.J. moore, Kenny Golladay, Nick Chubb, Mike Evans, Odell Beckham Jr. And Adam Thielen. So the big three running backs were the only three to go from Mike's last pick. Joe Mixon, Aaron Jones, Nick Chud, the three I mentioned as kind of in that upper echelon and so now Mike, you've got a decision to make.
Mike Wright
I do.
Alan Lazard
This one's very interesting.
Andy Holloway
What are you thinking about here?
Alan Lazard
I'm thinking about what are you guys going to do? I'm assuming. I was going to say Jason probably won't take a running back. I guess it is possible that he starts with the triple running back would be a little bit wild. And you need a running back because to me, like I'm not drafting Gurley Fournette. I'm getting more and more okay with four net.
Andy Holloway
As am I. As am I.
Alan Lazard
As time goes on. That's what we. What I've been saying all offseason is like I'm going to wait for the dust to settle. If you were in drafts earlier and you got Fournette late and you bought the dip, it seems like you've won that proposition. But I'm getting more comfortable. And then my tear would probably end with. With Chris Carson meanwhile at the wide receiver position. You know, Amari Cooper, who I'm okay taking, I would be okay with taking him here as my second wide receiver.
Andy Holloway
It's kind of shocking he's on the.
Alan Lazard
Board here a little bit.
Andy Holloway
I mean there are 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 wide receivers off the board so far in this league.
Alan Lazard
He is definitely the only hundred million dollar wide receiver left to my knowledge.
Mike Wright
Yeah, no, you are correct.
Alan Lazard
Is that a good stat to throw out, man. But it's the short turn for me. There's still a ton of wide receivers that I really like. But I would be most upset with myself if I gambled on Chris Carson and did not get him. So I'm going to take Carson here in the third round.
Andy Holloway
Okay.
Alan Lazard
We saw the pass kitchen go up a little bit for him.
Andy Holloway
I saw a tweet from Mike Taglier this morning that is worth mentioning in the Mari Cooper department. Targets per game same as Tyree Kill. Did you see this?
Alan Lazard
I did not.
Andy Holloway
So he put up, you know, it's a consistency type numbers that we bring up all the time. Wide receiver 1 percentage for Tyree kill and Amari Cooper is the same. Wide receiver 2 percentage.
Alan Lazard
Amari Cooper is this last year?
Andy Holloway
Yeah, Amari Cooper's a little bit higher. Wide receiver 3 percentage. Amari Cooper and Tyree Killer the same. But obviously there's a huge gap in where their ADP is. I'm sitting here on the board. Cooper's in a completely different wide receiver tier. Well, I guess I would probably have him and Robert Woods.
Alan Lazard
What About Cup. Cup is there?
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I have woods higher than cup, but.
Mike Wright
Oh, in a full ppr.
Alan Lazard
Oh, yeah, yeah. Of course.
Andy Holloway
I have plenty of running backs I'm very comfortable with as my running back too in a PPR league. So I'm actually going to take Amari Cooper here. I'm going to have two wide receivers off the board to start this draft. Is that, is that a player you were hoping we get back to you?
Mike Wright
There's no doubt. I started running back. Running back. Had AMARI COOPER, the $100 million man felt to me in the third round, I would have most definitely drafted him.
Andy Holloway
So I took Amari Cooper, which is, you know, it's interesting. Chris Godwin, Amari Cooper with the last two picks.
Alan Lazard
That's massive upside at the back of the third round.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, it was too, too much to pass up on and I'm picking fairly soon here. Todd Gurley went next. Jason's now on the board on the clock.
Mike Wright
And I'm surprised here because of the full PPR3 wide receiver. I view a player that I know all three of us like as such an incredibly powerful commodity. You just know you're getting a bunch of targets, bunch of receptions and quality season throughout. If the touchdowns come, you're going to have a guaranteed wide receiver one. If not, you have a really good asset. That's Robert woods in a full ppr. I really like him. I know you guys like him. So a couple minutes ago I was worried he won't get to me, but he did. So he is going to be my pick and we'll see what happens on the turn.
Andy Holloway
So Jason has Miles Sanders, Kenyon Drake and Robert Woods. He only has to wait two picks for his next selection. Leonard Fournette and Zach Ertz went next. I don't think that did any damage to Jason's board.
Mike Wright
No.
Andy Holloway
With Leonard Fournette and Zach Ertz there. So you get your pick of the litter again. Some running backs available if you wanted to go that direction. Melvin Gordon, Lev Bell, James Conner, David Johnson, Montgomery. You have Cooper cup still on the board, but you're staring down what I stared down two mock drafts ago.
Alan Lazard
How many. How many running backs do you have, Jay?
Mike Wright
I've got two.
Alan Lazard
Okay.
Mike Wright
Miles Sanders, Kenyon Drake. So when I'm looking here, I am fine going running back or wide receiver in a three wide receiver ppr. If there's a real PPR machine that I believe in at running back, then I would take him here to me. I don't know that that's the case. Lev Bell could be that to some people. You know, I just. I have a hard time believing in the jets offense right now and in what we saw with, with Lev Bell last year. Melvin Gordon could be that for some people. I just don't believe that one of these guys is an absolutely great guaranteed pass catching guy. I'm going to go upside here. I went safe with Robert woods and I think this will surprise some, but in my rankings, full ppr, my highest wide receiver on the board is a guy I love. Mike, I know you love him. I don't know if Andy is in, but I'm taking DJ Chark here in a three wide receiver, full PPR league. I believe that the Jaguars defense is going to be terrible and that they're going right in. The goats throw the ball to DJ Chark early and often and long and short, and he's going to be on my fantasy team.
Alan Lazard
I dislike that.
Mike Wright
Thank you.
Alan Lazard
I mean, I guess it's for the best. It's. DJ Chark ends up on all my mock dress teams. So now I have to do something else.
Andy Holloway
All right, so after DJ Chark, Cooper cup went next. So I'm not having to stare that decision down anymore. I have a long wait after this pick till I get to my fifth round selection. So that's putting me in the position where I'm looking at. I'm looking at running back here. Melvin Gordon, Lev Bell, James Conner, David Johnson, Mark Ingram, David Montgomery. Those names, I mean, Calvin Ridley and A.J. brown are still on the board, so.
Alan Lazard
And that means I get one of them.
Andy Holloway
If I, If I think about wide receiver here, then, you know, it's probably AJ Brown, full ppr, Godwin and Cooper already on my roster. It's just a matter of do I have a differentiator at the running back position. And I think I'm going to take Le'Veon Bell.
Alan Lazard
Would you have taken Chris Carson?
Andy Holloway
Yes.
Alan Lazard
Excellent. Excellent news, everyone. I made the right decision and that.
Andy Holloway
That's an example for the listeners out there of manufacturing ways to love your pick.
Mike Wright
Well, not. But knowing your. Knowing your league, knowing.
Andy Holloway
Oh, you're saying it from the perspective of like, who wouldn't have made it back to you? So you were making the gamble not just that you stole him from.
Alan Lazard
No, no, no, no, no, no. It's. It's the fact that I would have been the most upset if Chris Carson had not come back to me. And if, like, if I had played that game and then one pick away and then I'm taking Levy on balance, instead of Carson that would have. That's one of those things where it's. Look, it's the momentum of the draft, man. It's an emotional place. You gotta, gotta keep the spirits high.
Andy Holloway
Absolutely. And it's, you know, it's one pick here or one pick there. It's interesting that Fournette and Bell, the two players that have the best statistical argument for positive aggression.
Alan Lazard
Right.
Andy Holloway
Leonard Fournette, touchdown category, category. Both Lev Belt. Leonard Fournette, I think they combined for, you know what, five touchdowns on the ground or something. Both players have a great opportunity. Leonard Fournette. Yeah. Maybe he doesn't catch 76 passes. Does he catch 50? Probably. I mean unless you really believe Chris Thompson's going to come steal them all and no one else is there. And then Lev Bell, he's a pass catching running back. I like the upside there.
Alan Lazard
For Lev Bell, the point per reception is very important.
Andy Holloway
Yes.
Alan Lazard
Because the yards not so much there, but the reception at least a point.
Andy Holloway
That's right in the offensive line. Some optimism there also.
Mike Wright
It's been a while since we have said this and a lot of people play in PPR leagues. That's the new standard. Our normal, you know, is half ppr. But if you're in a full PPR league and you're watching the game, it's very important whenever your guy catches the ball. Yes, Mike, you want to give it you Point. That's right. Every time someone catches the ball.
Alan Lazard
It's more important when you're, when you're watching with someone else.
Mike Wright
Well, right. Yes.
Alan Lazard
But it's still enjoyable if you're by yourself.
Mike Wright
Point. Just yelling. Point. Every time that your team gets one.
Andy Holloway
It will raise you loud enough to where your wife looks over.
Mike Wright
Absolutely. She's, you know, doing.
Andy Holloway
Or your kids look, you have to look up from what they're doing. Yeah. And then they'll learn how to say it with you.
Mike Wright
Back to the draft.
Andy Holloway
All right. Back to the draft.
Alan Lazard
All right.
Andy Holloway
I've got Josh Jacobs, Lev Bell, Chris Godwin, Amari Cooper. Mike has Devonte Adams, Austin Eckler and Chris Carson so far. And I believe he's going to select either Calvin Ridley or A.J.
Mike Wright
Brown.
Alan Lazard
That, that is definitely where I am looking. And it is tough of, you know, the factoring in the ppr. Calvin Ridley, I would presume will have more receptions than A.J. brown. Does he have. Is that reception total enough to overcome the difference in what A.J. brown could bring for my team? You know, because he's what, like a 60, 70 reception guy at the most for A.J. brown, meanwhile, Calvin Ridley could be up in the 90s. It is possible. I mean, he has to hit a ceiling. Of course. So it is. Man, that's very tough. I have Calvin.
Mike Wright
Both players hit their ceiling. If both players do the max of their potential. A.J. brown's ceiling is higher.
Andy Holloway
I don't think so.
Mike Wright
You don't think in a ppr. I feel like AJ Brown could be the wide receiver one.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Mike Wright
Wow.
Andy Holloway
I mean, I mean, then if you think that, then that makes sense with what you said. I don't.
Mike Wright
You don't see that world.
Andy Holloway
Well, I mean, Calvin Ridley's shown the. I mean, he's a, he's a double digit touchdown type of player.
Alan Lazard
So I didn't have 10 his rookie year.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, he had 10 his rookie year. And then like, I don't remember.
Mike Wright
Eight, I think.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. So I mean, you talk about a ceiling, it's 10 to 12 touchdowns. I don't think that A.J. brown is surpassing that touchdown total. Then it comes down to receptions. I think they're similar. I think they're pretty similar players from a ceiling.
Alan Lazard
And it's tough of trusting in the quarterback. I trust Matt Ryan. Like I know what he will be. Ryan Tannehill was incredible. But was that just. He. He got the magic. He was covered in the pixie dust and. And now he's going to kind of regress to the player more like a player that he's been for his career. Oh, man, this is a really tough one. I'm going to take Calvin Ridley.
Andy Holloway
Okay.
Alan Lazard
As my wide receiver too. So Adams, Calvin Ridley, I think that's a pretty solid start.
Andy Holloway
Well, I think this draft's interesting because, Mike, every time it comes around to you at the front of the, of the round, you have to make decisions. You know, Jason and I are going to pick four players before you pick again.
Alan Lazard
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
So this is that situation Jason's saying of, like we say, know your league. This show has always been about going beyond stats, analytics and projections. Those are foundational. But you have to understand who you're playing against. You have to understand your league context. You have to understand all those pieces. So after Ridley, Diggs, A.J. brown. So Diggs went ahead of A.J. brown in this draft. I think that Diggs has an interesting PPR ceiling, to be honest. He's going to be the focal point of that passing offense. David Johnson went next, Dak and Deshaun Watson, James Conner, Mark Andrews, who I was going to bring up around your pick, Mike, I knew you weren't going to consider him there but no Andrews, the next tight end kind of on the board. Maybe more PPR friendly tight ends like Darren Waller, Evan Ingram later on, Cortland Sutton, DK Metcalf, Melvin Gordon, Kanan Allen, Tyler Lockett, Terry McClaurin and Ty Hill.
Alan Lazard
That was a triple whammy right in front of me.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, Jason, is the three T's grimacing?
Mike Wright
Well, I was grimacing because I had a dream, you know, and when you're near a turn, that's usually what happens. When you're near a turn, it's so many players. It's so many players until you dreams are crushed every single time you did.
Alan Lazard
The guy that you have no chance yet. I wonder.
Mike Wright
But I really did hope that Tyler Lockett could drop. To me, I think he's being criminally undervalued right now.
Alan Lazard
I agree.
Mike Wright
And you know, here to get Tyler Lockett in this format in the fifth round, I think is a great pick by team five.
Andy Holloway
All right. McLaurin, Hilton, Mike, back on the board now you're in a full PPR three wide receiver starts instead of two. You have Adams, Eckler, Carson Ridley. So you're split. Two wide receivers.
Alan Lazard
I'm very.
Andy Holloway
The roster is a little bit bigger. I know that in the fifth round you kind of. You've gone Kyler a couple times.
Alan Lazard
I have.
Andy Holloway
And yet this roster is bigger. You got to flex. You got to get out there too. How are you making this decision? This is a tough one.
Alan Lazard
So I'm looking at my rankings and you know that step one, step one, it's. And we talk about it. You don't win it at the draft, but when you leave the draft saying. And you can look in the mirror and say, I made it out with two of my top 10 wide receivers or three of my top 20 wide receivers in. In a three wide receiver league. And knowing my league like they are at a mesh point where everything is harmonized, Jupiter is aligned with Mars. I'm going to take A.J. green.
Andy Holloway
Well, you probably made the right call there. I was going to think about it long and hard.
Alan Lazard
I have A.J. green right in between Calvin Ridley and A.J. brown as my wide receiver. 17. I know this like I'm with Jason, that there is. There is downside here. I could be setting a pick on fire, but the franchise tag, they're giving him so much money, had a full season off to heal up. If A.J. green returns, that's a big F. But if that happens as my third wide receiver, that is. That will be an unbelievable advantage for my team.
Andy Holloway
It's Risky Business, Jason.
Alan Lazard
Risky business. But I'm.
Andy Holloway
Let me ask you one question. Should he have gone T. Higgins.
Mike Wright
Well, I mean, or odd and take. Do you want the future or do you want the past? No, I mean, of course AJ Green is going to, you know, be the main guy for the team. You brought up Andy on the last episode, which was fire or two episodes ago. You know, he's being paid 17 and a half million dollars, so he is part of their plans. And that's, that's fine. I see.
Andy Holloway
If you want to know how much pain we almost brought Jason yesterday, we're in an industry draft right now. I just wanted to bring this up like you. You know, we were, we had taken a couple running backs and we're staring down and my, my suggestion was to pick, I think both of ours. It was, was to pick Ty Hilton and AJ Green together and all your bones broke.
Mike Wright
I mean, I mean the. If you want the old busted great wide receivers of yesteryear, then those were phenomenal picks. Yeah, but I was outvoted. I was outvoted. But. And then eventually we did not do that. We did actually go Kyler. But you just brought up with Mike on the clock. Mike has taken Kyler here before, which is a little bit early for our usual taste. But in leagues, if you're in a league where it is full PPR3 wide receiver, that devalues the quarterback position even more. It makes the gap between wide receivers matter more and the depth you need. So I'm certainly not going mid round quarterback in a three wide receiver full PPR league.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. And so I'm, I'm on the clock. I am in the same situation that Mike was in. I have two running backs, Josh Jacobs, Love Bell, two wide receivers, Chris Godwin and Amari Cooper. And I have to make a decision here as well. I am not considering quarterback for the exact reasons that you just mentioned. I'm looking at running backs and there are, there are players I like and one that I know won't get back to me. I still have to start a flex position in this league in a PPR and running back depth is hard to come by. So I am leaning that direction. Going Devonte Parker or Tyler Boyd going, you know, into that category of wide receiver. I have some guys I like a little bit later. So I'm actually going to take a player that I think is being undervalued and it's David Montgomery. I'm going to take him right here, right now in the fifth round.
Alan Lazard
I think it's a solid pick right there.
Andy Holloway
And in spite of the format, I have three running backs and I feel good. And Kyler Murray went next.
Mike Wright
Yeah. So I'm on the clock and I'm close to the turn. So I, you know, I'm gonna. I'm gonna take a look at the team and what, you know, the team that is picking between my two picks, see what they have so that I can know right now they've got two wide receivers, one running back, one tight end. So I would presume they would. They might lean towards a running back here. So if I want one, I should take it here as opposed to in three more picks so that I could get the pick of my litter. And in addition, it's his litter. My litter.
Andy Holloway
It's not the litter. That's right. He has given first several puppies babies.
Mike Wright
And I'm going to pick is my litter. I choose who I want. That's only fair. There are three wide receivers I absolutely love on the board right now. One of them is I love you, Jason. We might need a breaking news button here.
Andy Holloway
We do.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Oh, hold on, hold on. I got to find it.
Mike Wright
Breaking news.
Alan Lazard
I wondered if this would change.
Mike Wright
Albert Wilson has opted out. We brought this up when we were talking about Preston Williams recently.
Andy Holloway
Straight years for him, right?
Mike Wright
Yes. Albert Wilson is. He doesn't play a lot of football on the field, but what could have been. Devontae Parker is out there. He's a guy that it seems like nobody wants in drafts. You just hate to believe the breakout that happened last year. But he broke the heck out. I mean, he was great. He was a top three wide receiver in the second half of the year is great. I also love.
Andy Holloway
He's in your litter or no, he's.
Mike Wright
Yeah. All of these are my babies.
Andy Holloway
Okay.
Mike Wright
Michael Gallup is one of my babies. And of course, Marquis Hollywood Brown is one of my babies. So I want the pick of my litter. The question I have here is whether I should go running back. I look at the running backs on the board.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Mike Wright
There's a handful of them I really.
Andy Holloway
Like as Ingram in consideration.
Mike Wright
Ingram, I think would be in consideration here if I didn't start running back strong. And I need some guy I can confidently start. I like here going a little bit more upside. I'm looking at Jonathan Taylor, Cam Akers or in a full ppr. Kareem Hunt is very valuable here. He had the Exact same top 24 rate last season as Nick Chubb. So he's a guy you can start and should Nick Chubb go down, you have a top 10 running back. So those three running backs I really like. But in a three wide receiver, full PPR, I think the value I have to go wide receiver. So I'm going to double up on wide receiver here. Double plan, double up. I am going to take devonte Parker here because he is very high. And knowing my own strategy here, that I'm planning to grab another wide receiver means that I'm going to be really. I'm going to have the flexibility if Devontae Parker doesn't hit to be fine. But if he hits, I have an absolute top tier wide receiver. Now I'm between Michael Gallup and Marquis Hollywood Brown. I never get this guy.
Andy Holloway
Cam Akers and Brandon Cooks went after devonte Parker, right?
Mike Wright
Oh, man. That means Jonathan Taylor's still there.
Andy Holloway
Kareem Hunt, Well, Mark Ingram is still there. When I was deciding at running back, just to be transparent, I was thinking there's no way Montgomery and Ingram are going to both make it back. Probably neither. Those were the two I was thinking about in this situation.
Mike Wright
So right now with my team, so many guys.
Alan Lazard
Jay, don't get it wrong.
Mike Wright
Right now with my team, I have three wide receivers. Robert Woods, D.J. chark, Devonte Parker, and I have two stud running backs. Miles Sanders, Kenyon Drake.
Alan Lazard
No regrets, man.
Mike Wright
I'm putting my flex in. I will get the pick right because I'm going to the West Coast. I'm going to Hollywood. I never get him. He's my guy. I want him. I think he has the potential to be a top 15 wide receiver for one of the best offenses in the league. To get him, here is where I want him. So my team is Marquis Hollywood Brown, devonte Parker. I'm taking kind of big shots that are a little bit risky, but I think Robert Woods, DJ Chark, can you Drake, Miles Sanders.
Andy Holloway
I put DJ Chark into the risky category too.
Mike Wright
I can see that. I think DJ Chark, Devonte Parker, Marquis Brown, all three guys certainly less known commodities.
Alan Lazard
You have not let the swag, the Gardner Minshew swag. You have not let it wash over you and just accept, you know, it's.
Andy Holloway
Such a fine line between washing over you or completely distorting your vision like a bad drug. Those things are tight.
Alan Lazard
You need to look at the numbers, man.
Andy Holloway
I've looked at the numbers. I like DJ Chark. I just don't think we're coming from a different place of probability. You're coming from a place of 99.9% probability of Gardner And Shark being great. I'm coming from like, like a 60% and I would. I'm just less confident. We both like the players.
Alan Lazard
You've also. You're selling me shorts, giving me 99 points.
Andy Holloway
Okay. I'm sorry. You got to keep it.
Mike Wright
I'm probably at 80%, but I do. I do think that he will have a great season. So when I've got four wide receivers in my first six picks, that's the situation where I want to take shots on huge breakouts.
Andy Holloway
End of sentence.
Mike Wright
Correct.
Andy Holloway
Okay. All right. I have so your. Your team right now. Miles Sanders, Kenyon, Drake Woods Chart, Parker Brown. I have Josh Jacobs, Lev Bell and David Montgomery at running back. Chris Godwin and Amari Cooper. Having those two stalwarts, in my opinion, has afforded me that third running back. I'm disappointed. I wanted Hollywood Brown with this next pick.
Mike Wright
Yes.
Andy Holloway
Which is the third time in this five rounds that I've been sniped right before Julio cup and Hollywood, we're doing great work. So you only snipe me once. The Team 10 sniped me the other two times. But now I'm looking at this situation and I kind of wish I had gone with a wide receiver on my previous pick because there's still some running backs I'm okay with here. Ingram and most are both on the board. I don't really feel like I have the luxury of taking them because of the league format and needing another wide receiver option here. So I'm kind of looking.
Mike Wright
Gallup is great if you want to put him with Amari Cooper.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Alan Lazard
Been there.
Andy Holloway
So it's tough because I'm looking at what's available. And I'm actually going to take Will Fuller here. I'm going to take the upside of Will Fuller to be the number one guy for Deshaun Watson. He's the player with the rapport. He's the one I would bet on to come out on top. And there's so many abandoned targets in Houston. And when push comes to shove, that defense is not great. DeSean Watson is the offense. And so I'm going to take Will Fuller. I think I can do that. With the Godwin Cooper beginning to this draft, other players that you look at there. Jarvis Landry in a ppr. Okay, that looks great. Is it going to be on the field? Is he healthy? Julian Edelman. Okay, well, that looks all right. Maybe. There's a lot of variables in play for Julian Edelman losing Tom Brady. So, Mike, you're on the clock and.
Alan Lazard
Mark Ingram will Be drafted by me because this is ridiculous. What was the starting running back for the Ravens there in the sixth round?
Mike Wright
Marking room. Preposterous is always a value in your drafts. He is perennially. He's one of those players scoop up the value. Similar to Robert woods marking room, who. This isn't anecdotal, this isn't saying. I think they're always a value. This is every single year they are drafted at their average draft position, well behind where they finish. And year after year after year, no one wants them because the tip top upside isn't there. But their floor is so safe and so secure. I love the pick, especially for how your team was laying out.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, it's perfect. Ingram there and then some highlights of the rest of the round. Waller and Gronk both went here in the sixth round. Gallup ended up going Deontay Johnson one pick later. And then Devin Singletary in the seventh round. Three more tight ends. Evan Ingram, Tyler Higby, Hayden Hurst. Mike's back on the clock. What were you. Were you hoping for somebody else to make it through? Mike?
Alan Lazard
I don't think I was hoping for anyone in particular. Like I had no idea which way that that turn was going to go for me and. But here I am looking at Kareem Hunt and Raheem Mostert are both on the.
Andy Holloway
I'm taking who you don't take of those two. I mean that's. That's a situation.
Alan Lazard
I select both.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, well, now I'm screwed. No, but that's exactly what the situation you're in. I hope both players would make it back. You can only take one of them.
Mike Wright
Can I interest you guys? I want to talk to you about.
Alan Lazard
You trying to talk us out of taking.
Mike Wright
I need to talk you into someone else. Can I talk to you about Russell Wilson?
Alan Lazard
Oh, you could talk about Russell Wilson.
Mike Wright
I mean, Mr. Unlimited.
Alan Lazard
Unlimited.
Mike Wright
No, no, no.
Andy Holloway
So much guff.
Mike Wright
I'm just joking. Let's talk about Hunter Henry and the importance of tight end here. There's a tight end run.
Andy Holloway
He's throwing so many.
Mike Wright
I just need. Look, you two stupid idiots let Kareem Hunt come back to me, okay? That's all I'm saying. I want Kareem Hunt. I almost took him last pick. Please let him come to me and I will give you a five dollar crisp bill cash.
Andy Holloway
And that's another strategy you can take. First, try to talk them into somebody else. Second bribe. Mike, are you taking one of those two guys?
Alan Lazard
Yes, I'm taking.
Andy Holloway
Then I will take the other Excellent.
Alan Lazard
So here's what I'm working through. Yeah, it is my fourth running back. So do I go the upside potential that if Raheem Mostert does capture 60 to 65% of that backfield, he should be absolutely incredible. Meanwhile, Kareem Hunt, the PPR value, does that really continue? I know he would. He was a target machine when he came in last year. But completely different offense. Will he actually receive those targets as Stefanski tries to slow down the offense? This one, it's a tough one. I. I haven't drafted him at all. And I'm going to take this upside here. I'm speaking in mock draft terms. I'm going to go with. I'm going to go with Raheem Mostert. It's pretty nice to have a guy on your bench who you don't have to rely on that has top 15 upside.
Andy Holloway
I am. Yeah. I mean, that makes you have AJ Green and Raheem Mostert on your team right now.
Alan Lazard
Mike, I know. I'm drafting Andy's team.
Andy Holloway
And look, the purpose of a mock draft, Jason brought it up. It's to educate yourself on what can happen, to prepare yourself for the year. I have regrets here because I took David Montgomery in the fifth round. You know, you have Mark Ingram and Raheem Moser would have both been available on the next round. Kareem Hunt as well. I could have gone a wide receiver there, and I think I would have been happier. I could have gone devontae Parker or Hollywood Brown. And if you tell me I could have had Devonte Parker and Mark Ingram versus David Montgomery and Will Fuller, now I'm happier with that situation.
Mike Wright
Now, real quick, you have your team the way it lines up right now. Andy, you have three wide receivers and three running backs. You have to start three wide receivers.
Andy Holloway
This is his last plus a flash. This is his last effort.
Mike Wright
I'm just saying this, that the jets defense has lost a lot of pieces. They traded away Jamal Adams.
Alan Lazard
That sounds like a bunch of receptions.
Mike Wright
For Lev Bell and for Jameson Crowder and a full PPR when you have to start playing wide receivers. Dang it. He took Cream Hunt.
Andy Holloway
I just took him a little while ago. I wanted you to keep going. I took Cream Hunt. CD Lamb went next. Jason, you got a couple picks and let's make them. Let's make them snappy.
Mike Wright
Pappy, here's the thing. I wouldn't have been upset at all. I didn't expect Cream Hunt to come back to me. But the fact that he. When they get on, you had the hope.
Andy Holloway
This is being on the turn. It's a place of false hope.
Mike Wright
Get rid of your hope. That's what.
Andy Holloway
That's what we're saying.
Mike Wright
That's what I've learned. All right, full ppr. I'm sitting here in what is this? Round seven. The options are looking at tight end. There's Hunter Henry, who I think is kind of in a tear to himself. But I like a lot of the late options quarterback. I brought it up earlier. I'm not really wanting to do a mid round quarterback, even though I do think Russell Wilson is a good value. Maybe I'll grab him with my 8th pick at running back. You have a bunch of unknowns. I am going to go off brand or maybe this is on brand now, despite Lashawn McCoy. I'm going to take Ronald Jones the second.
Alan Lazard
I figured you would.
Mike Wright
He is. He is the starter right now for what I think is going to be a great offense.
Andy Holloway
All right, you're on the clock again, Jay. You can make another pick.
Mike Wright
I'm on the clock and I. All jokes aside of trying to talk you into Jameson Crowder.
Alan Lazard
Oh, I like it.
Mike Wright
In a full PPR with what has happened to that defense because it's funny. Just like a couple weeks ago I actually on the show said, you know, I had been talking down the jets defense. That wasn't fair. They have some really strong pieces and they were getting better at the end of last year and now all their best pieces are gone and they're going to stink again. So Jameson Crowder will catch the ball a ton.
Andy Holloway
That's true. I wouldn't have taken him, though. All right, Hunter Henry on the board. Interesting. In ppr, Austin Hooper, PPR Gasicki, Jared Cook. We haven't talked a lot about the tight end position. It's something I'm looking at a little bit now. I don't like it that much.
Alan Lazard
No, it's.
Andy Holloway
It's not great. Running backs, Darius, guys, DeAndre Swift, J.K. dobbins and company. I've got to make a decision on a wide receiver at this point and man, wouldn't it be great to take Preston Williams here?
Mike Wright
Hey, I'm. I'm a believer in Preston Williams. You know, if you thought Albert Wilson was the reason Preston Williams was so involved as an undrafted free agent rookie last year, well, he is uninvolved this year as well. You can do it.
Andy Holloway
I'm taking Golden Tate with this selection.
Alan Lazard
That is. That's just a spiteful pick.
Mike Wright
You're taking Jameson Crowder of The Giants.
Alan Lazard
There is no reason for you to have done other than just to make me upset.
Andy Holloway
He to me in a league like this.
Alan Lazard
I had it all queued up.
Andy Holloway
Did you really?
Alan Lazard
Yeah, of course.
Andy Holloway
He's the.
Alan Lazard
He is the goat of the yak. He is the PPR machine.
Andy Holloway
Of course that's why I took him. And the thing is is I needed a fourth wide receiver.
Alan Lazard
This is erroneous.
Andy Holloway
This looked like a valuable PPR player that I know that I can start on any given week. I might not want to start him every time, but I can. Golden Tate is 100% a five catch guy so I'm taking. I took it and now you have to choose someone else.
Alan Lazard
It was just mucky muck everywhere. I do not like what is happening at the wide receiver position because you got okay Shepard.
Andy Holloway
Dwight, did you get for taking AJ Green 2?
Alan Lazard
Well, I'm pretty happy that AJ Green is one of my starters. Yeah, the consolation giant of Sterling Shepard.
Andy Holloway
The consolation giant. Oh, that would be. How sad of a pick would that be right now if you had to take.
Alan Lazard
Look, it's not happening. I'll take a quarterback before I do that. But just talking about the top ADP wide receivers here. John Brown, very little interest. Anthony Miller. Okay. Better closer, warmer. Man, this is no man's land here for the wide receiver.
Andy Holloway
It's tough right now. Yeah, three wide receivers thins it out quick. That's something people need to realize in this format.
Alan Lazard
Was reminded yesterday and I trivia quiz Jason on this and he did not recall either. Andy, did you remember that Mike Williams had a thousand yards last year?
Andy Holloway
He had a thousand score.
Alan Lazard
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Wow.
Mike Wright
Super weird.
Alan Lazard
I know he's positioned here. His situation is much, much different. The rookie wide receivers are there.
Andy Holloway
What about DeAndre Swift?
Alan Lazard
No, I'm good at running back. Now the why I brought up Mike Williams is because look, we've seen Taylor have success with the field stretcher before. Back when Sammy Watkins. Back when the Lizard King and him were connected on the Buffalo Bills. Man, you know what?
Mike Wright
Alan Lazard.
Alan Lazard
Alan Lazard is on the board. I think Alan Lazard would probably make it back to me where. Yeah, he's going to make it back. I'm taking the shot, man. I'm taking the shot on Mike Williams here. I'm going to take some upside at the wide receiver position. Not a PPR pick here by any means.
Andy Holloway
Any thought to Drew Brees, Josh Allen there? I thought about it a little bit with my Golden Tate selection. So I was just curious. Not really.
Alan Lazard
Not really.
Andy Holloway
Well, Allen, Breeze and Ryan went off the board after you made your pick. Mike, big running back run. J.K. dobbins, guy SWT. Michelle, you're back on the clock here. We have a few picks left in this draft to round these teams out. None of us have taken a tight end. None of us have taken a quarterback. It's the ninth round. Both those and a. Do we have defense in this league format? Brooks?
Alan Lazard
Who cares?
Andy Holloway
No defense. Just trying to figure out when I need to take desean Jackson, that's all. All right, Mike, you are. You're back on the clock.
Alan Lazard
I am. And since we're in the area where I am just drafting upside guys and like with Mike Williams, I don't know if I want to take desean Jackson. You know, very similar arc type players. I've kind of filled that role for. For upside. Gotta play the ADP game a little bit here. This is. I feel like I'm tilting, man. I feel like I'm tilting because of the stupid golden take pick, man. Screwed everything up.
Mike Wright
I've never seen golden tilt.
Alan Lazard
I had a plan.
Mike Wright
Golden tilt.
Andy Holloway
Golden tilt. Yeah, you can make it. You can make Mike tilt with some golden tail. I'm gonna take Antenna Gibson with my next pick.
Alan Lazard
I was gonna say where is. Where's Gibson?
Mike Wright
Just crab Blake Jarwin.
Alan Lazard
I'm not doing that. I'm taking Jalen Rager.
Andy Holloway
Okay. All right.
Alan Lazard
And that's why I brought up dj. Generally speaking, I'm taking D Jacks over Rager, but I don't really want D Jacks and Mike Williams on the same roster.
Andy Holloway
Well, I went with desean Jackson right after your Rager pick and Sterling Shepard went next. So we are Eagles and we are Giants. Jason, you're on the clock. You got two picks to make here.
Mike Wright
I do. I've got a couple of picks. I'm going to take my quarterback now because I am a believer in Carson Wentz. I think he is a great quarterback. I think he will be great for fantasy this season and when I hope he's great for rigor, you know, I will get those points. So I am going to go and at this point, I'm looking at all the wide receivers, the running backs. I feel deep enough to go with the other onesie positions and there are still guys I really like. So I'm taking Carson Wentz. I'm going to take Jared Cook, who I know he doesn't benefit from ppr, but sometimes with tight ends you can overdo the PPR thing. None of them.
Alan Lazard
There's very Few PPR tight ends.
Mike Wright
Very few. Exactly. Exactly. Most of the tight ends outside of the top guys are still not as relevant when it comes to ppr. They're touchdown relevant. And Jared Cook has that upside.
Andy Holloway
Yes. And there's one tight end that I think has PPR upside left. I think Jarvis Landry might miss some time. And despite the fact that you threw cold water on Austin Hooper in a full PPR league, you're looking at a situation now where there are. There are 11 tight ends off the board, which puts Austin Hooper at about where I have him ranked in a full PPR. I am quite content to get 60 receptions, or however many Austin Hooper gives me here. And so I'm going to take him. Mike, you are back on the clock. By the way, Marlon Mack went at the back of the ninth round. I was thinking about drafting him over to Sean Jackson. Marlon Mack is. He's completely ignored now for no good reason. Well, one good reason. Jonathan Taylor.
Alan Lazard
Yeah, it's a very large reason.
Andy Holloway
The gap is so significant that I think it's not justified. I think Marlon Mack has every gap in athleticism. No, no, I'm saying gap in draft.
Alan Lazard
Position in how much he can bench, how fast he is.
Andy Holloway
It's funny how quick Jason went from the biggest Marlon Mack fan. Then Marlon Mack goes out and dominates, and then he comes back, and he comes back the next year, and Marlon Mack's irrelevant.
Alan Lazard
When a superhero arrives on the team, you're like, Hawkeye. We don't need you anymore. The Hulk has arrived.
Mike Wright
Yeah, Hawkeye. Why don't you sit this one out? Go up to your perch, shoot somebody from a distance.
Andy Holloway
Marlon Mac is now Hawkeye. This is not fair.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
All right, Mike.
Mike Wright
He's.
Alan Lazard
He's important to the team.
Andy Holloway
No, he's not.
Mike Wright
Oh, absolutely. I just watched all the Marvel.
Alan Lazard
He arrow here and there.
Andy Holloway
If he was erased, you know how. What? Thanos snaps his fingers? If he had done that in the first ever Avengers movie, you never would have noticed any difference in the outcome, and we all know it.
Alan Lazard
Somebody's not here, guys. Someone's not here. Who are we missing?
Mike Wright
I feel like I've counted. We're at 16. I can't. Who's the 17th guy? I. Well, let's go watch the movies. Oh, we're not missing anybody. There's no Hawkeye movie. This movie, Marlon Mack. There's no standalone Marlon Mack movie. Sorry, Marlon. I did.
Andy Holloway
I wasn't.
Alan Lazard
Yeah, I've been distracted of looking who I'm going to pick. All right, wide receivers, man. The wide receivers left her gross. All right. Who's not gross? Jason?
Mike Wright
I don't want to say because I would like to draw. I'll tell you in about 30 seconds.
Alan Lazard
All right. So Anthony Miller is at least interesting. Oh, Jerry Judy, for you. I don't, I don't, I'm, I don't get it. I'm not in on the Jerry Judy hype that you just radiate on a daily basis. Do I want to take the chance that Nicole Hardman could be more involved in the offense? Curtis Samuel is an interesting post hype sleeper to me and I. Oh, goodness gracious. This draft has gone terrible.
Andy Holloway
It's just thinner when you have an extra starting position. It's just a thinner draft.
Alan Lazard
Yeah. All right. And okay, let's. I'll look at the quarterback. Stafford is interesting. Yeah, no, I'm going to take Nikhil Harry. Okay. I'm going to take the shot here that the first round rookie will actually come through and do something.
Andy Holloway
I definitely have a player I'm rooting to get back to me. But Mike, no, Hunter Ra just wins. Oh, I'm sorry, Mike. You are back on the clock. Nikhil Harry, by the way, Alan Lazard, I don't know if you forgot he was still on the board. The problem with you could have taken him over. Kil Harry, he just went ahead of you in the 11th round and honestly.
Alan Lazard
I do like him a lot. I have Adams, so it was like.
Andy Holloway
Do I. Yeah, that's fair.
Mike Wright
Do I have.
Andy Holloway
Although Adams goes down like he has lately.
Alan Lazard
Yeah, I'm not going to put insurance out on my, my wife. That's not happening. And I'm not going to play any games with you, you hooligans. I know what you're up to. So I'm taking Antonio Gibson.
Mike Wright
He was my next pick for sure. I was looking for Jerry Judy, Antonio Gibson. They're both gone. No fun.
Alan Lazard
Not happening.
Andy Holloway
And I'm going to take Matthew Stafford here. I was hoping he'd slide through. I thought Mike might take him right there. Stafford was an absolutely dominant fantasy quarterback last year. He has elite weapons. You add Deandre Swift, a great pass catcher, to the mix and the team won. They had some success with Matthew Stafford competing with Minnesota last year in a couple of shootouts. I think they're going to give him that opportunity again. And he's COVID negative, by the way.
Alan Lazard
That's true.
Andy Holloway
Six tests later.
Mike Wright
This is where, you know, we've said in previous years we don't like drafting the backups because in that situation, you're sometimes you're locking your roster. In this Covid world, I am going for depth and this year with the top guys, I am drafting backups. As the Kenyan Drake owner, I think this is a great time to grab Chase Edmonds. I was just hear that spot as.
Alan Lazard
You were saying that. I'm like, oh, Jason's going to take Alexander Madison, who the wild ride has completed here. Madison, who just went at the very back of the 11th round. Who earlier in the off season was going like round seven.
Andy Holloway
All right, two picks left. Jason, you've got your quarterback, you got your tight end. You can do whatever you want here.
Mike Wright
I can do whatever I want.
Andy Holloway
And your litter is there some.
Alan Lazard
Antonio Gibson is not there, though.
Mike Wright
Wait, I thought you said I can do whatever I want.
Alan Lazard
I just had to clarify.
Mike Wright
Oh, so here I am actually going to double up on my. On my backup strategy. And like you said, Alexander Madison was one of those three guys. Chase Edmonds, Alexander Madison, and to me, Tony Pollard.
Alan Lazard
Pollard.
Mike Wright
Those are the three superstar backup running backs who, whether it's injury or Covid, if they are thrust into a starting role, they will be sensational for fantasy. I now have two of them and one of them is my own insurance policy.
Alan Lazard
Interesting. Andy.
Andy Holloway
Mike saw. I saw Mike smirking. I went with, oh, Antonio Brown with my second to last pick.
Alan Lazard
It's.
Andy Holloway
It is a full PPR3 wide receiver shot at a player that could sign any day and have an opportunity to.
Alan Lazard
Come back for eight weeks at the minimum.
Andy Holloway
Correct.
Alan Lazard
And I'm okay with five bench.
Andy Holloway
I'm okay with it in a late. Late or I mean in a higher wide receiver league. I mean, am I going to take a shot here at. At, you know, Denzel Mims or Antonio Brown? I mean, I guess the argument that you'd get to see it pay off sooner. But if. Let me ask you this. Where does Antonio Brown go if he signs with the Baltimore Ravens tomorrow? So that's the. That's the gamble.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Alan Lazard
No, I get it.
Mike Wright
He would have gone well ahead of here and I would not have drafted Marquis Brown where I did.
Andy Holloway
Right. That is the. That's the scary thing about the Hollywood situation.
Mike Wright
I think it'll be Seattle if he gets signed.
Andy Holloway
Could also be Houston.
Alan Lazard
Yeah, see, like Seattle and Baltimore, they're the top two options. All right, I have taken my quarterback. I've taken my tight end. I have completed the draft. I grabbed Cam Newton. I grabbed him first because I wasn't going to take the chance that he didn't make it. Back I look, all the injury people that I follow and respect on Twitter, they're saying Cam Newton is healthy. Look, just going from the video saying the things that they've watched him do with his feet. He wouldn't be able to do that if he was still lingering. And if he returns to form, like when cam Newton plays 14 games, he dominates for fantasy. I get that built in. Nikhil Harry Stack, just in case that goes off. And the late round tight end sensation Blake Jarwin on the team. Here comes the breakout or the Blake out.
Andy Holloway
The Blake out. Yeah. No, that's. That's terrible. Cam Newton, by the way, if you don't. If it doesn't work out, you just move on. I mean, he's a 12th round picker. So I went with Paris Campbell with my last pick at the wide receiver position.
Alan Lazard
When I took Harry, I was like, man, should I have taken Paris Campbell? The PPR upside. But it was too late.
Mike Wright
So I'm on the board. There's a couple of guys that I like. Denzel Mims is there. I have Jameson Crowder. That's too much. That's too many jets for me. I like Leviska Chenault. I've got DJ Chark. I don't want to double up on these. I know I'm taking backups, but these aren't a situation where if the starter goes down all of a sudden, that backup is phenomenal, guaranteed the way it is at the running back position. So I am going to go with a rookie, a guy that I think is extraordinarily talented. The highest pick for this team after they took the number one pick overall. It is the AJ Green of the future, T. Higgins. You can laugh all you want, but T. Higgins is going to be awesome.
Alan Lazard
Let me. Okay. Like, seriously, seriously, if John Ross is good to go. So you have John Ross, A.J. green, Tyler Boyd. How much is T. Higgins really getting on the field as a rookie?
Mike Wright
T. Higgins will start week one as a starter.
Alan Lazard
All right.
Mike Wright
I think he will start over John Ross and he'll split with John Ross. And when, if A.J. green is not able to play 16, he will be thrust into extreme.
Alan Lazard
I can agree with that. Sort of. I mean, he's not starting week one.
Mike Wright
Okay. You know, we don't know the future, and you're right, but all the beat writers that I trust from Cincinnati say that he is probably going to be.
Alan Lazard
A week one starter in four wide sets.
Mike Wright
We'll see. I mean, their 11 personnel was like.
Alan Lazard
He'S a second round pick.
Mike Wright
He could.
Andy Holloway
My final roster Matthew Stafford, Josh Jacobs, Lev Bell, Chris Godwin, Amari Cooper, Will Fuller, Austin Hooper, David Maportunity, Kareem Hunt, Golden Tate, desean Jackson, Paris Campbell and Antonio Brown.
Mike Wright
I have Miles Sanders, Kenyon Drake, Ronald Jones, Chase Edmonds, Tony Pollard at running back, wide receivers of Robert Woods, DJ Chark, Devonte Parker, Marquis Brown, Jameson Crowder and T. Higgins. I got Carson Wentz and Jared Cook at the onesies.
Alan Lazard
I got Austin. I'm sorry. Awesome Eckler, Chris Carson, Mark Ingram, Raheem Mostert and Antonio Gibson are my running backs. Devonte Adams, Calvin Ridley, A.J. green, Mike Williams, Jalen Rager, Nikhil Harry and then Cam Newton and Blake Jarwin.
Andy Holloway
That is it for today's we made it exhausting 3 wide receiver full PPR draft. Can't wait to throw Golden Tate out there. That's going to be oh.
Alan Lazard
See you tomorrow.
Mike Wright
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Fantasy Footballers Podcast Episode Summary: "PPR Mock Draft + Buy or Sell, PlayerPagers™" (Released August 5, 2020)
Hosted by Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright, the Fantasy Footballers deliver expert analysis and engaging discussions tailored for fantasy football enthusiasts. In this episode, the trio delves into a Points Per Reception (PPR) mock draft, explores their buy or sell opinions, and introduces the innovative PlayerPagers™ feature.
[01:24] Andy Holloway kickstarts the episode by welcoming listeners to a special PPR mock draft show. He humorously sets the stage, hinting at potential playful manipulations among the hosts as they navigate the draft.
"Every moment leading into the mock draft will be marked by potential manipulation of you two gentlemen." — Andy Holloway
The mock draft is configured for a full PPR, 12-team league with the following roster requirements:
This setup emphasizes the importance of WR depth and RB versatility in a PPR environment.
Before diving into the draft, the hosts engage in a spirited Buy or Sell discussion centered around Joe Burrow, the rookie quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals.
[04:00] Andy Holloway presents the scenario: Given Joe Burrow's rookie stats—over 3,700 passing yards and 24 passing touchdowns over his six full years as Andy Dalton's starter—should fantasy managers buy into a similar rookie's potential?
[05:33] Mike Wright expresses caution, acknowledging the high bar set for rookie quarterbacks but remains optimistic about Burrow's prospects.
"I have him for 4200 yards and 27 passing touchdowns." — Mike Wright [07:15]
[06:41] Alan Lazard counters by highlighting the rarity of rookies achieving such numbers, referencing historical performances.
"Rookie quarterbacks nowadays, this is not a hard line to hit." — Andy Holloway [05:56]
Conclusion: The consensus leans towards buying, given the evolving landscape of passing offenses in the NFL and the increased opportunities for rookies to excel.
The heart of the episode revolves around the mock draft, where each host strategically selects players to build competitive fantasy teams. The discussions reveal diverse strategies tailored to a PPR, three-WR format.
Alan Lazard opts for Austin Eckler, prioritizing team diversity over high-profile RBs like Aaron Jones.
"I'm not starting. I'm not pulling a Jason Moore miss with my second-round pick. I got to diversify on the teams where I am." — Alan Lazard [21:24]
Andy Holloway selects Chris Godwin, reinforcing his commitment to elite WRs.
"I took Chris Godwin here. I think I can do that." — Mike Wright [45:00]
Wide Receiver Focus: Given the league's structure, hosts prioritize WRs to maximize PPR points. Picks like DeVante Adams, Calvin Ridley, and A.J. Brown are highlighted for their high target volumes and scoring potential.
"He was dominant. I mean, you're talking. This is a wide receiver who can hit that 30% market share." — Alan Lazard [15:51]
Running Back Flexibility: Balancing between RB depth and WR dominance, hosts select versatile RBs like Josh Jacobs and Le'Veon Bell to ensure consistent scoring.
Quarterback and Tight End Strategy: Late-round QB picks like Matthew Stafford reflect a strategy of securing a reliable passer without compromising earlier RB and WR selections. Tight ends are approached with caution, opting for depth rather than early investment.
Alan Lazard’s Playful Interjections: Throughout the draft, Alan Lazard adds a layer of humor, discussing fictional elements like PlayerPagers™ and referencing pop culture figures to keep the atmosphere light.
"If you want to talk about, you know, let's say you look at Green Bay and you found out that I don't know, Devonte Adams was out for the year." — Alan Lazard [10:22]
Player Risk and Reward: Discussions often veer into the potential risks associated with certain picks, such as injury-prone players or those in volatile team situations, juxtaposed with their upside.
As the draft progresses into the later rounds, hosts grapple with balancing their teams, addressing positional needs, and mitigating risks.
Final Picks: Strategies focus on securing high-upside backups and filling out the roster with players who offer potential late-season boosts.
"He is going to have a great season. So when I've got four wide receivers in my first six picks, that's the situation where I want to take shots on huge breakouts." — Mike Wright [44:35]
Reflecting on Decisions: After completing the draft, hosts reflect on their choices, acknowledging what worked and what might be improved in actual drafts.
"I think it's a solid pick right there." — Alan Lazard [39:22]
Emphasis on WRs in PPR Leagues: The mock draft underscores the importance of securing elite WRs early to capitalize on reception-based scoring.
RB Depth with Versatility: Selecting RBs who contribute both on the ground and through the air provides a stable foundation for any fantasy team.
Balancing Risk with Upside: Hosts navigate the fine line between high-floor players and those with breakout potential, aiming to build robust and competitive rosters.
Humor and Community Engagement: The playful banter and engaging discussions foster a sense of community and make complex strategies accessible and entertaining.
Andy Holloway [05:56]:
"Well, I just mean rookie quarterbacks have opportunity. And the passing offenses in today's NFL, they are just more conducive to the yardage totals."
Mike Wright [07:15]:
"I have him for 4200 yards and 27 passing touchdowns. So I do believe."
Alan Lazard [15:51]:
"I'm going to take this here in the fifth round. I think that's a solid pick right there."
This episode provides invaluable insights into drafting strategies tailored for PPR leagues, highlighting the nuanced decisions fantasy managers must navigate. Whether you're a seasoned player or new to fantasy football, the Fantasy Footballers offer a blend of expert analysis, humor, and practical advice to enhance your draft prowess.