Pump the Brakes, Trade Talk, The Red/Green Dilemma

Summary

Podcast Summary: Fantasy Footballers - "Pump the Brakes, Trade Talk, The Red/Green Dilemma"

Release Date: September 19, 2018
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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1. Week 3 Overview and General Outlook

As Week 3 of the NFL season unfolds, the Fantasy Footballers discuss the current state of fantasy leagues, encouraging listeners not to lose hope despite mixed starts. Andy Holloway opens the discussion by acknowledging the influx of trade offers, highlighting the opportune moment for making strategic trades.

Andy Holloway [02:22]: "Now's a really interesting time to trade because you can make people believe things with a couple games that happen back to back."

2. The Red/Green Dilemma

A significant portion of the episode delves into the "Red/Green Dilemma," a psychological challenge fantasy managers face when interpreting matchup colors provided by platforms like ESPN and Yahoo. These colors indicate the defensive strength of opponents, with red suggesting tough matchups and green indicating favorable ones.

• Psychological Impact:
  The hosts explore how red tones can heighten stress and aggression, while green hues promote relaxation. This color-coding can influence start/sit decisions beyond actual player performance.

  Andy Holloway [05:28]: "Seeing green can make you want to put that bench guy in and seeing red makes you want to bench a player."

• Data Interpretation:
  Jason Moore emphasizes that early-season data is insufficient for making definitive decisions, urging managers to consider the quality of defenses rather than just color indications.

  Jason Moore [05:09]: "Two weeks of data is absolutely nothing. If you were to go back and look at the first two weeks and where teams lied last year in 2017 and you compare that to where they finished, nothing is the same."

3. "Pump the Brakes" Segment

In this segment, the hosts advise listeners to exercise caution with certain players whose performances may not sustain.

• Carlos Hyde (Cleveland Browns RB):
  Mike Wright expresses concerns about Hyde's efficiency, noting his low yards per carry despite high volume.

  Mike Wright [10:10]: "He's running for 2.7 yards a carry... if he does not have those two touchdowns, which one of them was a gimme from a penalty, you're really, really mad at Carlos Hyde right now."

  Andy adds that unless Hyde secures touchdowns, his value remains questionable.

  Andy Holloway [11:08]: "Has he scored in both weeks? That's the same situation for Marshawn Lynch... I got a good pump the brakes in there today."

• Dede Westbrook (Jacksonville Cowboys WR):
  Andy advises against starting Westbrook despite his talent, due to inconsistent target distribution within his team.

  Andy Holloway [14:19]: "If you look at your target breakdown from week two... the target share wasn't really there for Dede in comparison to the other guys. And so he is a risky play."

4. Trade Talk

The Fantasy Footballers analyze several listener-submitted trades, offering strategic insights and recommendations.

• David Johnson for Gronk (Instagram Trade):
  Mike Wright: "I would do it."
  Jason Moore: Highlights the importance of RB depth, suggesting that trading Johnson for Gronk is favorable if a team can maintain running back strength.

  Jason Moore [28:42]: "If you have the running back depth to do it... I think I would rather have Gronk."

• David Johnson and Marshawn Lynch for Christian McCaffrey and Alshon Jeffrey (Instagram Trade):
  Mike Wright prefers McCaffrey due to his reliability and involvement in the offense.

  Mike Wright [30:28]: "Christian McCaffrey is the safer running back because he's actually getting targets."

• Josh Gordon for Kenyon Drake and Corey Davis (Facebook Trade):
  The hosts commend the trade, indicating it's a favorable move for acquiring reliable wide receivers.

  Jason Moore [36:30]: "You have to get a season-long stud for James Conner... how about this? Who else would it usually take to get Drake and Corey Davis back as a wide receiver?"

• Amari Cooper and James Connor for Antonio Brown (Twitter Trade):
  The Fantasy Footballers highly recommend this trade, valuing Cooper’s consistency and Brown's volatile performance.

  Mike Wright [34:04]: "If you have James Conner right now, just, just shoot Antonio Brown message, be like, hey, you want to do a little swapski real fast?"

5. Player Analysis and Recommendations

• Philip Lindsay (Denver Broncos RB):
  Jason Moore praises Lindsay's impressive start but urges caution regarding future matchups against strong defenses.

  Jason Moore [12:31]: "I would much rather hold him on my bench this week and see how he does on the road against a decent opponent, then put him in my starting lineup."

• Carson Wentz (Philadelphia Eagles QB):
  Jason Moore advocates for starting Wentz post-injury, citing his strong performances and favorable matchup.

  Jason Moore [16:48]: "They have treated this injury the right way. They have not rushed him back. He's been throwing the ball well, impressing since OTAs in camp."

• Antonio Brown (Pittsburgh Steelers WR):
  Despite mixed early performances, Jason remains optimistic about Brown's potential, emphasizing his proven talent.

  Jason Moore [21:25]: "I'm completely in love with Antonio Brown. I have no worries, no hesitations whatsoever."

6. News and Updates

• Carson Wentz Injury Status:
  The hosts discuss Wentz's cautious return from injury, noting his readiness and the Eagles' strategic use of available players.

• Jordan Matthews (Philadelphia Eagles WR):
  Discussions revolve around Matthews' role primarily in the slot and the emergence of Nelson Aguilar, affecting his target share.

  Mike Wright [19:36]: "Jordan Matthews is almost exclusively a slot wide receiver. The emergence of Nelson Aguilar has come because Jordan Matthews was out of town and Nelson was able to move into the slot."

• Antonio Callaway (New York Jets WR):
  Despite only one reception in previous games, Callaway is considered a viable flex option due to his potential role in the Jets' offense.

  Mike Wright [47:06]: "Antonio Callaway... he's the flex worthy guy for me just because of his athletic profile, the role he will fill on this offense."

7. Thursday Night Preview

The hosts preview the upcoming Thursday Night Football game between the New York Jets and the Cleveland Browns, analyzing defensive matchups and predicting the Browns' potential victory.

• Cleveland Browns Defense:
  Jason Moore praises the Browns' defensive line, anticipating strong performances against Sam Darnold.

  Jason Moore [42:07]: "I am a believer in the Cleveland Browns defensive line. Their ability to sack the quarterback, their ability to cause turnovers."

• Game Prediction:
  After initial skepticism, Jason Moore expresses confidence in a Browns win.

  Jason Moore [50:13]: "I actually do believe that they get the victory."

8. Final Recommendations and Wrap-Up

The Fantasy Footballers conclude with strategic advice on roster management, emphasizing the importance of depth and the quality of life considerations when managing fantasy teams.

Jason Moore [36:17]: "Quality of life also matters."

They also remind listeners to utilize tools on their website for rankings and start/sit decisions, encouraging engagement through social media and their Patreon.

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Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway [02:22]: "Now's a really interesting time to trade because you can make people believe things with a couple games that happen back to back."

• Jason Moore [05:09]: "Two weeks of data is absolutely nothing."

• Mike Wright [10:10]: "He's running for 2.7 yards a carry... you're really, really mad at Carlos Hyde right now."

• Jason Moore [28:42]: "If you have the running back depth to do it... I think I would rather have Gronk."

• Jason Moore [21:25]: "I'm completely in love with Antonio Brown. I have no worries, no hesitations whatsoever."

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Conclusion

This episode of the Fantasy Footballers provides a comprehensive analysis of Week 3 strategies, emphasizing cautious player evaluation, strategic trading, and the psychological impacts of matchup color-coding. The hosts blend statistical insights with practical advice, ensuring listeners are well-equipped to make informed decisions for their fantasy teams.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

I'm still falling.

[Andy Holloway]

Hi.

[Jason Moore]

Hey. Welcome in.

[Andy Holloway]

This is the Fantasy Footballers. We're back again. It's Wednesday. We're talking week three. Hopefully you're off to a solid start in your fantasy league. If not, there is. There's a lot of time left.

[Mike Wright]

Mike, Jay Grizz was in my seat and all of a sudden I was stuck to my seat because Brooks left tape all over it. What the heck is that all about?

[Andy Holloway]

Unbelievable. J. Griz.

[Jason Moore]

Come on, man.

[Mike Wright]

Baby Josh.

[Andy Holloway]

Baby Josh. Wow. Okay, well, we're off to a good start. We've got the Thursday night preview on the show today. We're going to talk, we're going to talk some trades. Now is I've realized this because I've received a bunch of trade offers. I've sent a bunch out. Now's a really interesting time to trade because.

[Mike Wright]

Do tell.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, look, I think you can make, you can make people believe things with a couple games that happen back to back. And we have pump the brakes on the show today too. So we'll talk about some guys that maybe have performed, but we're pumping the brakes on now. I'm a little gun shy about pump the brakes right now.

[Mike Wright]

I tried to warn you, mistakes were made. Yeah, you know you're gonna double down this week.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no, I'm not doubling down against Patrick Mahomes. I'm not going to fool me once. But look, I think it's an interesting time to trade. We'll talk through some trades that our listeners have done over the past week. We sent a note out on Twitter, we got some trades that you've done. We'll talk about them, we'll break them down. Maybe they'll inspire you to go make a trade or regret the trade you've already made. I don't know. We'll see what happens. Follow us on Twitter ffballers. The website's thefantasyfootballers.com and then we're over on YouTube. YouTube.com thefantasyfootballers that's it. Let's start here. This is an interesting, an interesting quick question. We're going to talk about and discuss the great dilemma that is the red, green color dilemma.

[Jason Moore]

Red means stop.

[Mike Wright]

Well, it, it's tough because back in my days of Azeroth, okay, I was not a Care Bear.

[Andy Holloway]

Red is dead, red is dead.

[Mike Wright]

When I'm, when I'm going through Ironforge snuck in.

[Andy Holloway]

Red is dead, red is dead. So what we're talking about, 20% of.

[Mike Wright]

The people listening know what I'm talking about, but they loved it.

[Jason Moore]

I have Left and only 10, only.

[Andy Holloway]

10% of people are remaining. But here's what we're actually talking about. When you play, no matter where you play, Yahoo, ESPN Sleeper, whatever it is, if you're looking at the matchups for this week, those platforms love to throw you the red and the green. They throw you that red menacing, tough defensive matchup and that's, that is the two date ranking for those teams that they're playing. So for example, if you have. Let me, let me pull up my team and break it down for you right now. So this week, Philip Lindsey, running back for the Denver Broncos, takes on Baltimore. Baltimore's, ooh, player rank second. They're the second best in the league in terms of, they don't give up a lot of points to the running back position. But we're through two weeks and we.

[Mike Wright]

All are subject to recency bias.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And the, and just the impact that those colors make. If you look at your matchup and you see a bunch of colors and.

[Jason Moore]

They'Re all green, you're so tempted to say, okay, well this matchup is so much better. But two weeks of data is absolutely nothing. If you were to go back and look at the first two weeks and where teams lied last year in 2017 and you compare that to where they finished, nothing is the same. I mean, you've got a couple of them that are the same, but it changes when we look at our matchup projections like we'll do on tomorrow and Friday's show right now, this Time of year we have in this year's data in our show docs and we also have last year's data in the show docs. Because two games is not enough. I, I think for the most part you, you can't completely throw it away. You can't just dismiss what's happened the first two weeks because there's not enough data. But you have to look deeper and it's easy to look deep. It's two weeks. You just look at the team and go, okay, well, you know, who did they play? You know, are the Washington Redskins really the second best defense against quarterbacks or did they play Sam Bradford in the Arizona Cardinals one week and really pad that defensive, you know, stat. You've just got to take a deeper look.

[Andy Holloway]

This is a psychological battle because a lot of the times it's, it comes down to that flex position or a start sit decision. And sometimes seeing green can make you want to put that bench guy in and seeing red makes you want to bench a player. And that's what we're talking about. I got a little, got a little information for you. Red, the color red in general, this is Harvard level stuff. From what I understand. Deep diving red speeds up breathing, tenses muscles, quickens the heartbeat, promotes aggression.

[Jason Moore]

That's why they say I'm seeing red.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And green. Green's associated with wealth. The easiest color for the eyes to process, used to relax. Are you relaxing with your week three matchup, Jason?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I am. I'm going to dominate.

[Mike Wright]

How is green, all these relaxing things, but it's also the color of stink.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not the color of stink.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think stink has a color stink.

[Andy Holloway]

Brown's the brown is stinking.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, no. Whenever there is a cartoon or a comic, if someone is to break wind, it is the color green. When is there, when there is a noxious smell coming off something, it is the color green.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, I can see that.

[Mike Wright]

It's also the color of evil in Disney cartoons.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you, maybe they should work brown into the opponent player rank.

[Jason Moore]

There you go.

[Mike Wright]

But don't they need to just go with orange for the. Just for the Cleveland.

[Andy Holloway]

The message is this. Disregard the matchup situation right now as as much as you can because things are being established. And this is why I say it's an interesting time to trade right now because of what you said. Look at Adrian Peterson had the opportunity to pulverize the Arizona Cardinals defense. Well, can you ride that type of performance to a trade? Can you ride that to trading a guy high you look at the matchups, you look a little deeper. Hopefully we can help you out with that. But, yeah, it's a dilemma we all face. And how much do you read into that? Like, at what point in the season do you feel better about making a determination or a conclusion about those details?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's what I was. That's the exact point for me. I want one month of the season in. When you go into week five, I feel like you can pretty much take those. You've played four different teams. The chances that you just happen to play the four terrible defenses or great defenses are slim.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, a reminder on the website, the fantasy footballers.com our rankings and the start sit tool will go live at noon Eastern. Today. No, noon Pacific today. Yes, that's what I meant to say. So you can start getting a look at our initial Week 3 rankings. Make your Start sit decisions. Waivers are going through for people this morning. And look, it's week three.

[Mike Wright]

And speaking of noon Pacific. Oh, yeah, Very first Reddit AMA with the fantasy footballers. And we didn't mention yesterday, it's in the fantasy football subreddit. Am I correct?

[Andy Holloway]

Slash R slash fantasy football.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Wow, you're a natural Redditor over there.

[Andy Holloway]

I, you know, I'm growing, basically.

[Jason Moore]

It's. As soon as you finish this show, probably when you're listening to it, hop on over to Reddit.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but they're all following on Twitter. They'll know what's going on.

[Mike Wright]

That's true. All right.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. It is Wednesday, so.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

Oh, Pump the brakes. Pump the brakes with O'Reilly Auto Parts. Still gun shy, still a little scared, but I've got a good pump the brakes in there today. Let's start with Mike's. Mike, who are you pumping the brakes on?

[Mike Wright]

It hurts me to say this because I love this player. I'm pumping the brakes on Carlos Hyde, running back for the Cleveland Browns. He's getting volume, absolutely. But he's running for 2.7 yards a carry. I know that yards per carry is not a perfect stat or measurement by any stretch of the imagination.

[Andy Holloway]

Like Matt breed is 8.4 this year.

[Mike Wright]

But when you're running for sub 3 on that type of volume, it's bad. He's getting one reception a game. We did talk about be careful with the matchup, but with the data we have so far, the jets have been stout through two weeks against fantasy running backs. Now, granted, they played the Lions a week one who can't run on anybody, but Right now, Carlos Hyde is currently touchdown dependent. If he had. If he does not have those two touchdowns, which one of them was a gimme from a penalty. You're really, really mad at Carlos Hyde right now. So I'm just warning people, don't get lulled into a false sense of security.

[Andy Holloway]

Has he scored in both weeks?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the same situation for Marshawn lynch, actually.

[Jason Moore]

He.

[Andy Holloway]

He scored in both weeks and Marshawns, he's at 3.7 a carry this year. But I wonder how you feel between those two, where.

[Mike Wright]

You know better because there's signs of life with the Oakland offense.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

In week one, I know they fell apart in the second half, but week one, they opened very strong. Week two, they. Derek Carr looked fantastic and they put points on the Denver Broncos and the Cleveland Browns while they've been in games. Their offense looks rather anemic and they're going to have.

[Andy Holloway]

You're going to have to make a decision on Hyde for Thursday.

[Mike Wright]

Correct.

[Andy Holloway]

So would you play lynch against Miami this week over Hyde this week?

[Mike Wright]

I would.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I would as well. Although, you know, I will say this. I understand the arguments you're making. Two touchdowns, and that seems a little high for the Browns right now. But I don't hate. As I don't hate the matchup this week. You know, the jets don't scare me too much at home. You know, this is like their. Hopefully the weather is better to where this can be their first, like, home opener against just a team and not also Mother Nature. So I don't know. I.

[Mike Wright]

He is getting the volume 100%. Nick Chubb is getting about 5% of the snaps, so you don't have to be concerned about that.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, Jason?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'll talk about another guy getting the volume. Surprising. Off to a success, Philip Lindsey.

[Mike Wright]

Where's my $44, fellas?

[Jason Moore]

Is this. It's in the mail. This.

[Mike Wright]

You never mail cash. That's such a terrible idea.

[Jason Moore]

Cashier's check, man.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, okay.

[Jason Moore]

Come on, give me some credit. All right. Philip Lindsey is off to a roaring success, and I think most people want to plug him in their lineup. He's one of only seven running backs to gain 200 or more yards in his first two games as a rookie. But that list of seven guys also includes guys like Javid Best and Daniel Thomas.

[Andy Holloway]

And I remember Daniel Thomas.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, you know, it's not all. It's not all the Kareem Hunts out there that are. That are getting it done. I have talked a little bit about How I really want to see how this Denver born and bred and raised in college and undrafted free agent native does when he goes on the road. And yes, you just literally brought up Baltimore. They're the second ranked defense so far this year on against the run, but it's only two weeks. Last year they were middle of the pack. They were not a bad defense. 19th against the run. I, I pumped the brakes here because they've talked about how they're going to ride the hot hand and we, you know, two games from this undrafted rookie. I would much rather hold him on my bench this week and see how he does on the road against a decent opponent, then put them in my starting lineup.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't necessarily want to start them. I have to start them and I think that's where a lot of people are going to be if you're a J A Jay owner. Devonta Freeman, owner. Joe Mixon, owner. You know, I'd rather start Lindsay this week than, I don't know, would you rather start. Put these in order. Corey Clement, Philip Lindsay, Jordan Wilkins, Joe Bernard.

[Mike Wright]

So we're assuming that JI is out in this scenario.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Mike Wright]

Clement.

[Jason Moore]

Clement.

[Mike Wright]

Geo from Lindsay.

[Jason Moore]

Lindsey Wilkins. Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. I'm going to pump the brakes on a touchdown scorer from last week, a very talented player. But it's Dee Dee Westbrook, wide receiver for Jacksonville. Blake Bortles came out and set the world on fire.

[Mike Wright]

He unleashed the snake.

[Andy Holloway]

I got a snake, man. But here is the target breakdown from week two. Dante Moncrief paced the team with nine targets. Keelan Cole had eight targets. Corey Grant, who looked great by the way. Seven targets always does. And Dede, Austin Safari and Jenkins and TJ Yelden were fourth and they were all tied with five targets. So the target share wasn't really there for Dede in comparison to the other guys. And so he is a risky play. And that's all it comes down to here. I think we tend to react to the week prior you had the big long touchdown against New England and I think you don't play DD this week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I like this pump. I would rather not chase last week's points. Last week they were going up against New England where they were taught a vicious lesson in the playoffs that they have to stay on the gas and just completely go. You know, they've, they've got a step on the neck when their opponent is down and I don't think that they're going to feel that same pressure at home against Tennessee this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Now, I wasn't willing to mess with the snake. But I thought about pumping the brakes on Mr. Blake Bortle because week one, he'll constrict you. Week one, 176 yards and one touchdown. So the part of.

[Jason Moore]

It's Fournette.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. I mean, Fournette's probably going to be back this week.

[Jason Moore]

He's back at practice. And ironically, TJ Yelden was missing from. From practice.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. So that was Pump the brakes with O'Reilly Auto Parts. Better parts, better prices every day. Let's talk news.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league.

[Andy Holloway]

He's back.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Jordan Matthews.

[Jason Moore]

That's also true.

[Andy Holloway]

Jordan Matthews and Kristen Michael, they don't die. They're the zombie. They're fantasy zombies.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, they are.

[Andy Holloway]

We'll talk about that in a second. But no, I was referring to a pretty talented quarterback named Carson Wentz. Starting week three.

[Jason Moore]

Starting week three.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you starting in week three?

[Jason Moore]

I am starting him week three. They have treated this injury the right way. They have not rushed him back. He's been throwing the ball well, impressing since OTAs in camp, but they were careful. I don't. I don't worry that. Oh, man, he's going to have extreme rust. He's a great quarterback, and it's a plus matchup against the Colts, so.

[Andy Holloway]

But the Colts did a pretty good job last week. And you've got no jai, potentially. You have no Mike Wallace anymore. You have no Alshon Jeffrey. So the weapons, I mean, you're talking about Zach Ertz, Nelson Aguilar. Is that going to be enough to get it done? Are you going to roll them out there? Like, if you've had him on the.

[Jason Moore]

Bench, it would be almost enough. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Now you probably have another quarterback on your roster because you. You were playing one for these weeks, so you're not taking a week to wait.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, it just depends on who that quarterback is. Perfect example. We were kind of joking about. I think yesterday, Mike and I were the hotness of Ryan Fitzpatrick against the Steelers. A matchup that could really go his way. He could just stay in these flames, NBA Jam style.

[Andy Holloway]

I would play Ryan Fitzpatrick over Carson.

[Jason Moore]

Wentz, and I would play Carson Wentz over Ryan Fitzpatrick.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike split the difference.

[Mike Wright]

Hey, what's over there? What's over there, guys? Next question.

[Jason Moore]

No, you got to split. I want to hear your answer.

[Mike Wright]

I haven't done my full projections yet, but it might be Ryan Fitzpatrick. That's where. That's where my head's going right now.

[Andy Holloway]

I think as a fantasy owner, I don't. It Just depends on what risk you need to take this week. I'm not expecting Ryan Fitzpatrick to lead the league in passing yardage for the rest of the season. I don't know if you guys are.

[Mike Wright]

But I'm considering it.

[Andy Holloway]

But yeah, it's a little bit of a risk mitigation thing. I have a feeling all the Eagles fans are going to be starting to win on their fantasy rosters.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

J. Ajayi, Darren Sprols, Doug Peterson labeled them both day to day. They did, they did bring up a practice squad running back. And if you listen to the interview with Eagles offensive coordinator Mike Grow, he really equivocated on the availability of Jay Ajayi. They asked him verbatim, they said, look, is calling up, you know, your, your practice squad running back. Is that so you're protected against availability issues with Jay? And he said, yeah. I mean he just basically said, sure, yeah, that's why. So there's a chance Ajayi misses the game. That would make Corey Clement a really strong start.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

The Eagles have officially signed running wide receiver the zombie Jordan Matthews. Mike Wallace is on injured reserve. Mike, I know you're really close. You and Jordan Matthews text a lot. What are your thoughts here?

[Mike Wright]

My thoughts are. It's. It's somewhat interesting because Carson Wentz is a good quarterback. He spreads it around. The biggest question here and the beat reporters for Philadelphia were also talking about this is that Jordan Matthews is almost exclusively a slot wide receiver. And the emergence of Nelson Aguilar has come because Jordan Matthews was out of town and Nelson was able to move into the slot. How does the team handle this with between Matthews and Aguilar? Who's, who's going to get in the middle when they're going 3 wide?

[Andy Holloway]

If you look at the breakdowns, the splits between Aguilar on the outside and in the slot, he's never scored on the outside. All of his production has always come from the inside. His, all of his metrics are better from the inside. So it will be interesting. I know that Doug Peterson said that Jordan Matthews looked good and workout and they are excited to get him back in there.

[Mike Wright]

They had to sign somebody.

[Andy Holloway]

This is true. Yeah, they don't let you run 10 players out there. So you gotta, you gotta have another player. Jason, I want to talk about Antonio Brown now. Overblown situation yesterday. He was back today, returned to the team on Wednesday. What I want to talk about here is look, the targets, the receptions, the production from Antonio Brown through two games has not been what fantasy owners expect. I Think we all expect him to return to form but we haven't talked about the absence of Todd Haley. And on the sideline on Sunday in the middle of that game, Antonio Brown was screaming at their new offensive coordinator Randy Fichner. So there may be some tumult there and you don't have the parrot, you know, the exact same template as last year on offense. So you know, juju Jason, a star is born Emerging ran one more route.

[Jason Moore]

Even than Antonio Brown did this past week. Obviously had the better fantasy performance. And by Antonio Brown I mean if I have no worries by what it.

[Mike Wright]

Sounded like you were saying. B Y e bye Antonio.

[Jason Moore]

Goodness gracious. Thank you, Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

B U Y not bye bye.

[Jason Moore]

Purchase your shares in fantasy football of Antonio Brown. He is still the absolute goat. And one thing we have seen over time, whether it's right or it's wrong, squeaky wheels, they get the oil and he's complaining he wasn't the man. They are winless and I think you're going to see Antonio Brown go ham as he always does. If you're worried because he missed that, you know, Wednesday meeting for or Tuesday, Tuesday meeting for personal matters, then use that to your advantage. I'm not.

[Andy Holloway]

Is this a hot ham approach?

[Jason Moore]

Hot ham and eggs? No, I, I'm completely in love with Antonio Brown. I have no worries, no hesitations whatsoever.

[Mike Wright]

Now would you consider missing a meeting like if your personal reason was I just didn't want to show up.

[Jason Moore]

Just that.

[Mike Wright]

That falls under personal reasons, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. He was finishing a series on Netflix.

[Mike Wright]

That's such a blank statement. Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

We don't know much more. We know Tomlin.

[Mike Wright]

Fine.

[Andy Holloway]

Tomlin was going to address it. So Chris Carson still on top of the running back depth chart which means.

[Mike Wright]

Cool.

[Andy Holloway]

He's the, I don't know.

[Mike Wright]

Cool.

[Andy Holloway]

Not good. Not good. Don't start him. Rob Kelly on ir. So it's Adrian Peterson. Chris Thompson still there in the backfield in Washington. Brings a little clarity to Adrian Peterson just having a locked and loaded role. It's going to be a game script dependent thing for Peterson to succeed and that's that by way of news.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

We're actually giving away an autographed Corey Davis jersey right [e-mail] it's free to enter. You can go get that. We're also giving away a championship belt. So some free gear from fantasy champs. Yeah, some free gear over [e-mail] and let's go ahead and.

[Jason Moore]

Well, let's talk trades.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's talk about some trades. We put out a request. We wanted to hear from you, from the Foot Clan on Twitter, Facebook, see what's going on Instagram, see what's happening in your league.

[Mike Wright]

Got to take the pulse of the fantasy football community sometimes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yeah. I've had a lot of people asking about trades. Had a friend text me last night, wanted to know if they should trade Lashawn McCoy.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

And Antonio Brown.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

For Odell Beckham Jr. And Philip Lindsay. And I said, no, no. Normally when I want to make a trade, I don't want to be thinking at the end of it. I don't want to be thinking like, like this might work out.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Another kind of rule of thumb for me is I don't like doing sideways trades.

[Andy Holloway]

That's how it felt.

[Jason Moore]

I just don't like where it's like.

[Mike Wright]

Why call that a Giamatti trade?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, nice. That was deep. I approves. Yeah, that was one of your best movies.

[Jason Moore]

Brooks if. No, it wasn't. That was so boring.

[Andy Holloway]

It really wasn't that good. He just drank wine for like 40 minutes.

[Mike Wright]

Never seen it.

[Jason Moore]

You haven't missed much. But yeah, I don't like making moves where it's just. You're trading players to trade players and it's a sideways move. If you're not upgrading something, clear, why do it?

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, so here's the first trade that came in on Instagram, by the way. Instagram.com the fantasy or I'm sorry, instagram.com fantasy footballers David Johnson for Gronk. Ooh, man, would you do that trade right now? Right here?

[Mike Wright]

As in we. So David Johnson being traded away for Rob Gronkowski. So I would do it.

[Jason Moore]

Here's the deal. It's obviously a little bit team dependent. Whenever you're trading a running back and not getting a running back back, you have to have the depth to contend. Let's say you were, you know, the lucky fellow that's picked up some great waiver claims and so you've added depth to your team and you also drafted well and you've got Jordan Howard and you got other people on your roster, then yeah, I think I like this because here's what we know. The Arizona Cardinals offense is going to struggle to make David Johnson a superstar at his position. He's still going to be fully utilized. He's going to be a back end RB1 or the highest end RB2 on the year. But his ability to dominate the position looks hampered. Gronk will dominate his position. You know it for sure. So it's about the RB depth because you'd still probably draft David Johnson ahead of Gronk if it was a startup draft today. But if you. But since you already have a roster, you know your RB depth, the reason you draft David Johnson had a Gronk is because I don't know what running backs will be available later. I got to grab them now. If you've got the running back depth to do it. I, I think I would rather have Gronk.

[Mike Wright]

The problem for David Johnson is look at, let's take a look at Saquon Barkley, Melvin Gordon, all these running backs. We highlighted this on Monday. The actual ground game struggled mightily this weekend, this past Sunday. But these running backs, they're just getting absolutely peppered with targets. So do you believe that was not happening for David Johnson?

[Andy Holloway]

Right. And it hasn't. I mean, through two games now, Steve Wilkes, head coach of the Cardinals, came out and said, we're going to line him up in the slot. We're going to use him more. It makes sense. Do you buy it? Do you believe it?

[Jason Moore]

I believe they will line him up more in the slot. I think they will look to get him more involved and I think there are brighter days ahead this season for David Johnson than what we experienced this past week.

[Andy Holloway]

But are you ever going to sing his name again this year, this season? Because we kind of need that. Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, Brooks chiming in here saying absolutely. He's.

[Andy Holloway]

I want to, I want to get in here on a Monday and hear you guys belt it out, man. I miss it.

[Mike Wright]

We all miss it. All Fantasy football misses David Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

Brooks is a. Is a.

[Andy Holloway]

Who do they miss?

[Jason Moore]

Cowboys fan. And he is confident in the future of David Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

This one.

[Jason Moore]

Have Brooks sing it since he's so confident.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. He jumped in there. I like it. That's not going to sound good, but I'll do it. All right. Another Instagram David Johnson trade. I want. You can fill out the rest of your thoughts here. He traded David Johnson and Marshawn lynch and received Christian McCaffrey and Alshon Jeffrey.

[Jason Moore]

So let's start with this.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's start with the Would you rather have DJ or Christian McCaffrey rest of season?

[Jason Moore]

Exactly. That's the question I wanted to pose to you two McCaffrey, so I did not have to answer it.

[Mike Wright]

Christian McCaffrey is the safer running back because he's actually getting targets.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

And he will always and forever get targets. What?

[Jason Moore]

And he's on the better overall team.

[Andy Holloway]

The actual better talent, the actual better player is David Johnson, of course.

[Mike Wright]

But this is fantasy football and quarterback and offenses matter so incredibly much.

[Andy Holloway]

You have David Johnson in the quicksand. That is the Carol. The Arizona Cardinal offense. Much like Lashelle McCoy is stuck in Buffalo.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly. And that's a really good comp right now.

[Jason Moore]

You look at very sad comps.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, it's terrible.

[Jason Moore]

You look at some of the running backs that disappointed last year. First player that comes to mind, Joe Mixon. It was a very big disappointment last season. And one of the reasons I was so high on Joe Mixon this year, and I said this at one of our live shows, was because if you looked at total plays run on the season for the Bengals last season, it was astronomically low. It was not normal for the Marvin Lewis era to be that low on rushing attempts or on total volume as an offense. And that made such an impact on what Joe Mix was able to do. He didn't get. His percentages were fine, but the totals were so down. And that's what I think is going to happen to the Cardinals this year.

[Mike Wright]

They have run the lowest amount of offensive snaps.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, we're only through two weeks and one of those games was the Los Angeles Rams. So we have to take this with a grain of salt. But I do think by the end of the year the Cardinals will absolutely be in the bottom three of total offensive plays run. So I think I prefer Christian McCaffrey. If it's a PPR or half PPR, I would go Christian McCaffrey.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, John on Facebook. James Conner for AJ Green. Cross positional move. I know there's a lot of subjectivity.

[Mike Wright]

Here, but that's, that's the type of trade that I'm okay with though for.

[Andy Holloway]

If you're trading James Conner, that's the kind of move you're making.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Because you have to get a season long stud for James Conner. If I'm not getting a season long stud right now, I'm just going to ride out Connor as an RB1 until levy on Bell comes back. Which stood as far as I know. There's no updates. We're still talking about up to week 10.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

For Le'Veon Bell to come back and at that point, if you've. If James Conner is a running back one through 10 weeks, I mean that's huge for your season. Look at Zeke.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Zeke last year played 10 games and he still really helped fantasy football teams. What are you, Rolls Royce over there?

[Andy Holloway]

Thomas Rawls has signed.

[Jason Moore]

Oh.

[Andy Holloway]

With the Cincinnati Bengals.

[Mike Wright]

Cool.

[Jason Moore]

Sweet story, man.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, awesome.

[Jason Moore]

Back to James Connor.

[Andy Holloway]

He heard what you said about zombies and.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, no, just the dead can. What is dead may never die. Yeah. This is obviously, I think consensus. All three of us would much rather have AJ Green than James Connor would take advantage if you could get. Get that high a talent. That's not on a ten week count here.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's a trade that happened and maybe it's just a high five situation. Taylor on Facebook traded Amari Cooper and James Connor for Antonio Brown.

[Mike Wright]

I was literally just going to say.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you do that? Heck yeah, I would high five that trade all the way to the bank.

[Mike Wright]

If you have James Conner right now, just, just shoot Antonio Brown message, be like, hey, you want to do a little swapski real fast?

[Jason Moore]

Just, just throwing it out turned down but this is the perfect. Then add in another wide receiver like.

[Andy Holloway]

Amari Cooper where you trade Amari the second he does anything is what is the thought. But here, here's the thing with James Conner and you know you've, like I said the Ajayi owner or the Freeman owner, the Cook owner or the, you know, there are running backs are a premium. I'm out there looking for one in our league. I'm sitting there going, I've got to start Philip Lindsay. Can I find my way to Corey Clement or Chris Thompson? What can I do to get a running back? James Conner represents that for somebody. If you can go out and trade James Conner to one of those owners, look at who they have on their roster. Whether it's Antonio Brown or you know, Odell Beckham who's underwhelmed so far or somebody like that. Can you go get season long value like you brought up Mike, can you go get an AJ Green?

[Jason Moore]

But this is the, it's important for us to stress this is the level at which it is required to get rid of James Conner. Because if this is that how you.

[Andy Holloway]

Both feel about it.

[Jason Moore]

That's how I feel. I'm not trading him for a, a second tier type of player. I'm not going to go out and trade him. You know, who's, who's. I wish Doug Baldwin was healthy right now. I don't, you know, but right now I wouldn't, I wouldn't trade him for Doug Baldwin.

[Mike Wright]

Me neither.

[Jason Moore]

You know, I want to try to package him and get a star.

[Andy Holloway]

I want to not have James Conner on my team. Just the way I play fantasy football is. I don't want, I don't want him hanging over my team.

[Jason Moore]

Let me tell you, okay? It's so stressful. It's so stressful. Every day you're doing the Lev Bell watch. Every morning I'm waking up going, oh man, did Lev Bell report?

[Andy Holloway]

Because I don't want that. I want to worry about everything else.

[Jason Moore]

No, I get it. And you're right. Your quality of life is better without James Conner on your roster. Quality of your fantasy football team might not be right, but Quality of life also matters.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's true. All right, Facebook. Joe has a. A trade question. Joe, Josh Gordon. What the. Is this real? Josh Gordon for Kenyon Drake and Corey Davis? Yeah, you.

[Mike Wright]

Nice work.

[Andy Holloway]

You. You've done a good thing. Kenyan Drake, Corey Davis, definitely the better side of that situation. In fact, this is, this is what.

[Jason Moore]

I was talking about yesterday, where if you can trade Josh Gordon right now for the. For the value of an absolute wide receiver. 1. Because you're. I mean, how about this? Who else would it usually take to get Drake and Corey Davis back as a wide receiver?

[Andy Holloway]

What I like about this segment right now is we're reporting actual trades, right? So anybody out there that's saying this could never happen, you're wrong. Jeff. Traded Melvin Gordon. Traded Melvin Gordon and Flash Gordon. So the Gordons for Zeke and Ty Hilton.

[Jason Moore]

So you traded basically sideways from Melvin Gordon to Zeke. Yeah, I see those as the same tier.

[Andy Holloway]

And then secured the guaranteed production of Ty Hilton. Well done.

[Jason Moore]

Everyone here would trade Gordon for Ty Hilton, right?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, I would.

[Andy Holloway]

Everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Instagram. I just traded Alex Collins for Lamar Miller and George Kittle. Well done. That's amazing.

[Jason Moore]

Who would you rather have between Alex Collins and Lamar Miller?

[Andy Holloway]

Lamar Miller.

[Mike Wright]

Miller as well.

[Andy Holloway]

Then you get a kittle on top.

[Mike Wright]

Ooh, 44.

[Jason Moore]

44.

[Andy Holloway]

I can't believe we have a 55 and a 44 on the show. That's what we've got.

[Jason Moore]

And an 86.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, well, don't forget the rules. Chris Herman traded Emmanuel Sanders for Kenyon Drake straight up. Who would you rather have in that situation?

[Jason Moore]

Kenya Drake? I mean, in a, in a back.

[Mike Wright]

This is just people celebrating their trades. I thought we were trying to get some hard hitting analysis.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, we started there, but then we got to just braggart trades at the end.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, there's definitely a lot. I think we had over 400 responses of trades that have gone down.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's a harder one. Instagram traded AP for Amari Cooper.

[Mike Wright]

There we go.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you happy with that trade?

[Jason Moore]

I would much, much, much rather have the Amari Cooper side of this deal.

[Andy Holloway]

It's interesting though, because with Rob Kelly being gone, I just know, like, there's nothing that stops Washington from giving the ball to Adrian Peterson 20 times a game. What happens with the 20 times? I have no idea. Actually I do. Most of the time is probably going to be running into the back of a lineman's butt.

[Jason Moore]

But I never looked at Rob Kelly as like, oh, now that Rob Kelly's out of the way, now Adrian Peterson's got the work to himself. It's like Rob Kelly wasn't doing anything anyways. It's Samaj. P. Ryan is not off the team, so.

[Andy Holloway]

But Rob Kelly was taking snaps, and.

[Jason Moore]

Samaj will go into Rob Kelly's role now. That's the way I view it.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. And that's fair. Mike, did you upgrade AP at all with the Rob Kelly news or no?

[Mike Wright]

Nope.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, well.

[Mike Wright]

Nope.

[Jason Moore]

Would you rather have the AP side?

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I wouldn't. I'd rather have the Amari side. I. I trade ap. Well, AP is one of those guys that's like. While they have. It's like a battery with some juice left in it. Like, you might as well trade it now because it's not gonna have value later.

[Jason Moore]

Right?

[Andy Holloway]

So I don't know who's trading batteries out there in the world, but if you're trading partially charged batteries, do it before you really understand that comp.

[Jason Moore]

It's a great analogy.

[Andy Holloway]

How about this one off of Twitter, shipped out Breeda NFL's leading rusher Matt Breida, in case you didn't know who I'm talking about. San Francisco 49ers running back for and Trey Boo Boo to get Zach Ertz.

[Jason Moore]

I love this trade. I love this trade. Because Matt Breida is not a player that you drafted early. He's not going to destroy your running back depth. More than likely. More than likely, Breida is cashing in.

[Andy Holloway]

On a big week.

[Jason Moore]

You're cashing on a big week. And I am so fearful of Mitchell Trubisky for Trey Burton. If I can upgrade my tight end from Burton to Ertz, I mean, Wince is back. Ertz is locked in as absolutely a top three guy. Looks as good as he did last year. I would do in a heartbeat.

[Mike Wright]

It's a shame that you don't have both of them. I'm talking about Trey Burton and Zach Ertz, because then your team name can be Burton Ertz.

[Andy Holloway]

Burton Ertz.

[Jason Moore]

That's.

[Andy Holloway]

I like it. Brooks. Brooks laughing all right, It's a shame, but we.

[Jason Moore]

We do not recommend if you have Ertz. Do not also roster Burton just for the namesake because you're making a quality of life, Jason. Quality of life might be improved.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my goodness. Before we talk Thursday night preview, here's a little Wednesday reminder. Our waivers just went through. And who did I get? You got to remember, you got to drop it like it's high.

[Mike Wright]

Drop it like it's high.

[Andy Holloway]

Which means. Which means that you are looking at who was dropped today. Not just who was signed today. Teams, here's a little known fact. When you sign someone, you drop someone. A lot of people don't pay attention. A lot of people let go of guys. Maybe it's circumstantial. They let go. Like last week, I let go of Corey Clement.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't feel good about it now that injuries have happened, but I did it because I wanted to get some depth somewhere else. Someone else went and picked up Corey Clement. They dropped it like it's hot. Right. All over me.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And you know, Josh Docks and Tyler Eiffer, not much here being dropped in our league worth picking up, but you can take a look.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So let's talk Thursday night, guys. We get to watch them front and Center. These two powerhouses. The one and one jets against the zero one and one Browns. The Browns are three point favorites at home. Favorites at home, 39 and a half point over under. That's not a lot of points.

[Mike Wright]

It's been 87 years.

[Jason Moore]

This is my favorite streaming defense for sure this week. I mean, I am a believer in the Cleveland Browns defensive line. Their ability to sack the quarterback, their ability to cause turnovers. And that's been one of the early starts of Sam Darnold's career. He's already been sacked a lot. He's turned the ball over and going on the road for, for a good Cleveland Browns defense. I mean, Vegas is, you know, they've got them as home dogs. They've got them as, you know, not even scoring 40 points in the game. That's fine. I mean, I hope you picked up the Browns. I would start them over a lot of teams. I'd start them over the Saints this week. I'd start them over the Rams defense this week. Wow. Just because of the matchup against the Chargers.

[Andy Holloway]

Interesting.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that is an interesting call.

[Jason Moore]

I would not drop the race.

[Mike Wright]

Let's just start on the jets side of the ball. So if you're excited for the Browns defense, I imagine you're not even considering streaming Sam Darnold.

[Jason Moore]

No. No, I'm not.

[Mike Wright]

All right, that's out of the way. Isaiah Crowell, blah Powell. That's. That's the big conversation to me.

[Andy Holloway]

I was going to ask, what do fantasy owners even do with Isaiah Crowell right now?

[Jason Moore]

They start him in a decent matchup if they have to. And this is one of those situations where if you have to.

[Andy Holloway]

Philip Lindsay this week or Isaiah Crawell, Philip Lindsay, half point league.

[Mike Wright]

Philip Lindsay, Isaiah Crowell. I agree with you right now. To me the comp for Isaiah Crowell. I guess Hyde is getting a little bit more carries. But it's a similar situation to me where Isaiah Crowell is not going to be the pass catcher. The same way that Carlos Hyde is not going to be the pass catcher. If Crow doesn't get you a touchdown then it was a bust of a play.

[Jason Moore]

I would certainly start Blel Powell out of this backfield over Isaiah Crowell because he is getting carries, rushing attempts and then he's clearly the passing downs back.

[Andy Holloway]

Can start Quincy and Unwa.

[Mike Wright]

Of course.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

So Powell and Enuma are the two starts for New York.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Quincy's an every week starter until.

[Jason Moore]

Until he's double digit targets.

[Mike Wright]

So. Otherwise noted.

[Andy Holloway]

He's got a very high floor.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know.

[Jason Moore]

Very low ceiling.

[Andy Holloway]

I was gonna say. I don't know what the ceilings. This is a very small room.

[Jason Moore]

This is like.

[Andy Holloway]

There's not a lot of room to. You gotta lay down.

[Mike Wright]

You got a crouch over to walk through.

[Jason Moore]

You're in a half point PPR and you go, man, tiny house. I want 10 points for my flex. Quincy and unmatched there.

[Mike Wright]

He's more than 10, 7 for 92.

[Andy Holloway]

10.26 for 63 with a 10.7. The range is high.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

No, look, if he scores, the ceiling rises. But you're looking at A what? A 10 target guy? Six, seven receptions, which is fantastic. It is the Browns.

[Mike Wright]

So Robbie Anderson, Terrell Pryor. No interest?

[Andy Holloway]

No. What do you do with Robbie Anderson at all? I mean, are you rostering him?

[Jason Moore]

I'm not rostering him. A lot of people have, you know, they still were high on the name. If you're in more of a competitive league then I try to package trade him or I'm willing to drop him. And the fact that we've already had week two waivers go through.

[Andy Holloway]

Kenny Golladay or Robbie Anderson on your roster.

[Mike Wright]

Golladay by so many points.

[Andy Holloway]

Corey Davis. You want him way over like Robbie Anderson. So Corey Davis or Kenny Golladay.

[Jason Moore]

Good question. Still got to be Corey.

[Andy Holloway]

It's got to be Corey Davis, right?

[Mike Wright]

Reluctantly.

[Andy Holloway]

The Browns, who Are you confident starting in this matchup? Look, they're at home. You've had production from Hyde. We talked through him already. But Duke Johnson's a drop to me. He hasn't produced this year. The way this team is using Jarvis Landry. I'm concerned about Duke Johnson. I don't think you need to roster him. Do you agree?

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to hold on to him for at Least one more week because of what happened in week one where it was the rainbow. I feel like I've got to throw that.

[Andy Holloway]

You say the rainbow.

[Jason Moore]

The rainbow.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh.

[Mike Wright]

I mean he at least had six targets in the rainbow, but I mean he had two last week.

[Andy Holloway]

Three fantasy points in week one, two fantasy points in week two.

[Jason Moore]

No, I get it.

[Andy Holloway]

He's got three receptions on the season.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not loving it, but when you've got a running back like Mike said, he had six targets week one, but it was the rainbow and hard, hard game. I want to see one more week before I drop him.

[Mike Wright]

Fair.

[Andy Holloway]

Interesting. Okay. Would you rather roster him or Naim Hines?

[Jason Moore]

Duke. He's done it before.

[Andy Holloway]

Tavon Duke. Tavon's got that running back wide receiver eligibility.

[Jason Moore]

That is true. At least on espn.

[Andy Holloway]

On ESPN he does. Frank Gore or Duke Gore.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Okay, agreed.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, you're starting Jarvis Landry. What do you do with Antonio Calloway? Is he a lottery ticket this week?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I don't mind throwing them in your flex.

[Andy Holloway]

It's so far the jets, while they've been a really good defense, that's the one position so far that they've given up some fantasy points to.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So Antonio Callaway, I mean he's the flex worthy guy for me just because of his athletic profile, the role he will fill on this offense and we for his first start. I know it's the production is really just one reception but that's, that's what you're looking for with that type of player. Tyrod Taylor, he's generally a safe streaming option at the quarterback position because he starts the game with a touchdown due to rushing yards. But the jets have been pretty good. Only two weeks but Matt's. They made Matt Stafford look completely incompetent.

[Jason Moore]

But in. But Matt Stafford has made himself look completely incompetent.

[Mike Wright]

He was a lot better.

[Andy Holloway]

This Tyrod saved his entire week. Last week that floor wasn't there.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

He had to have a 50 something yard touchdown to Callaway to end the game. My confidence level on Tyrod in a game with a 39 and a half point over under on Thursday Night Football is that look, the Browns are going to try to win this game, you know what 17 to 12. I mean I'm concerned about the upside. I think he is a streaming candidate. I just wasn't willing to make him my stream of the week this week.

[Jason Moore]

The jets to me. We opened this show talking a quick question about the green and red. The jets to me are the perfect, perfect Example of a stop thinking they're a great defense. Defense because they're across the board. They're giving up few points to the quarterback, the running back, a little bit to the wide receiver, nothing to the tight end. They're looking like a tough matchup this year. That week one against Detroit. Detroit, you know, look, sometimes when you are just destroyed, you give up. I mean, it looked like a team that just quit both sides of the ball. It was embarrassing. Everyone wanted to throw in the white towel and get out of that arena as soon as possible. And the jets, you know, accordingly, their defense looked great. They weren't anything special. Week two against Miami. But that opening Detroit matchup and Miami distorting, I think distorts. If you look at last year's data for the New York jets defense, it wasn't. They're not. They weren't great and they didn't do anything to me on paper transaction wise that says they should be vastly improved. I know they've added a couple pieces and they are probably better than last year's Albatross. But I'm not, I'm not worried about that matchup. That's why, like Carlos Hyde, I'm okay with.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Yeah, I mean that makes sense and I'm looking forward to watching it. Do you? Let's just get the prediction right here, right now. The last win that the Browns have had was week 16 of 2016 against the Chargers. Does it happen on Thursday night? Is it over? Are they going to 11 and 1, boys? Because that would be huge.

[Jason Moore]

Jacks. What?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, huge. Jackson.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Look, I really want to say no because of the Browns. I want to bet against them and I always do. But I don't believe it. I actually do believe that they get the victory.

[Mike Wright]

Nope.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I changed my mind. I changed my mind.

[Mike Wright]

I disagree with Jason. I think that the jets might actually be a good defense.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, two and one.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I changed my official vote change. Sorry, Brown.

[Mike Wright]

Sorry. Sorry about that.

[Andy Holloway]

I think they'll win.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I did not. Do not.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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