Fantasy Football - Regress or Impress + 2nd Half Studs, Horse Talk - Podcast for 3/26

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary

Episode: Regress or Impress + 2nd Half Studs, Horse Talk
Date: March 26, 2026
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike “The Fantasy Hitman” Wright

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Episode Overview

This episode’s central theme is “Regress or Impress”—the hosts analyze key players who finished the 2025 season strong, discussing whether those performances will continue or regress in 2026. They also answer a dynasty league question, banter about quirky football news, and deliver their signature blend of stats-driven analysis and lighthearted jokes (with plenty of “horse talk” for flair).

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Key Segments & Insights

1. Dynasty Startup Advice (04:32–08:03)

• Question from listener: “Any tips for a first-time dynasty startup draft?”
• Andy: Focus on drafting top players, make your startup draft as fun as possible by doing it in-person if you can—“You only have one dynasty startup ever. If you can draft in person...it is so much fun.” (05:20)
• Mike: Pre-hydrate! A startup is a long, grueling process—“If you’re hydrating day of, it’s done. You are not hydrated.” (04:56)
• All: In dynasty, it’s justified to “bend rankings” and take players you’re passionate about, even if ADP doesn’t agree—especially young players you can invest in for years. Don’t be afraid to draft your favorites and enjoy the experience.

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2. News and Notes (08:09–19:47)

Major Stories:

• Falcons Sign Brian Robinson (08:14)

  • The arrival of Brian Robinson to the Falcons (where Bijan Robinson, "B. Robinson", already resides) will cause “draft confusion”—“You are binoculars on, looking for the junior.” (09:10)
  • All agree it doesn’t significantly threaten Bijan’s fantasy value; both are less worrisome than their previous backups, but “the sleeper app is about to be chaos.”

• Joe Flacco to Bengals (11:04)

  • Flacco serves as excellent backup security for Burrow, helping maintain Chase, Higgins, Brown’s values even if Burrow is hurt—“Last year, Jamar Chase’s numbers were better with Joe Flacco compared to Joe Burrow. Ever so slightly.” (11:21)

• Breece Hall Extension Rumors (12:41)

  • Andy suggests Breece Hall should avoid signing and play out the year for a bigger future deal: “If I’m Breece’s agent, I would say just play one more year, stay healthy, go get a bag for a different team.” (14:10)

• NFL Kickoff Schedule Update (14:26)

  • Season kickoff moved to Wednesday due to Thursday game in Australia—hosts discuss time zones, and Andy isn’t thrilled by the “football every day” trend but knows he’ll be glued to the screen by Week 1 (15:00–15:44).

• Elijah Moore & Laquon Treadwell News (15:44–17:38)

  • Jason jokes about Elijah Moore’s “Laquon Treadwell arc”—players who stick in the league despite minimal production.
  • Treadwell's surprising longevity is dissected: “Outright bust, who has stayed in the league for a decade and no one knows it.” (16:48)

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3. Regress or Impress: Player Debate (19:47–55:40)

A. Trevor Lawrence (“Ponyboy/Horse Child”)

(20:08–28:48)

• Stats: QB13 pre-bye (16 FPPG), QB1 post-bye (22.6 FPPG), finished as QB4.
• Key Points:
  • Year 5, career high fantasy finish, new OC (Liam Coen) brought stability.
  • Lawrence’s age (26) highlighted: “He actually might still be getting much better.” (24:08)
• Rush TD spike: 7 after the bye—question if that’s sustainable.
• All hosts: Side with “Impress”—they believe the breakout is real, though Andy cautions about draft price: “I think Trevor Lawrence continues to impress. He’s probably not the quarterback I’m going to leave my drafts with because...he will be drafted not as a late round quarterback.” (28:24)

Memorable Moment:
“If he worked here, we’d call him a horse child… or maybe a pony.” —Andy (24:04)

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B. Chase Brown

(28:58–33:57)

• Stats: RB19 first half, RB5 second half
• Key Points:
  • Overcame early season struggles due to Burrow’s injury; exploded when offense stabilized.
  • Team kept him over a new RB draft pick— hosts believe the Bengals trust in him. (30:36)
• Conclusion: All agree: “Impress”. Expect strong RB2 performance if not blocked by significant new competition.
• Notable Quote:

  “If a Chase Brown extension comes through then I will have no, no fears, no worries. My chips will be all in.” —Mike (29:12)

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C. Kenneth Gainwell (Tampa Bay)

(33:57–39:08)

• Stats: RB12 in 2nd half with Pittsburgh
• Discussion:
  • Pittsburgh’s desperate offense inflated his stats; now in Tampa, he’s backup to Bucky Irving.
  • Andy: “I don't think I'm fully committed to regress because he's a good player… But Bucky [Irving] is so far ahead of Kenneth Gainwell that he will retain [the job].” (37:28)
  • Mike argues Gainwell is more talented than he’s credited for, but both lean “Regress” due to situational change.
• Draft Value Talk: Bucky Irving goes RB17, Gainwell RB37 in early best ball.

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D. Michael Wilson & Marvin Harrison Jr. (Cardinals)

(41:36–49:12)

• Stats:
  • Michael Wilson: WR irrelevant for 2.5 years, WR3 in 2nd half of 2025 (“became Jerry Rice” per Andy). (41:53)
• Key Points:
  • Debate: Is Wilson the real deal or just a product of huge volume after Harrison/McBride injuries?
  • Andy’s criteria: If Wilson becomes the true WR1, he has “impressed.” If he’s 2nd or 3rd behind Marv and McBride, that’s “regression.” (42:39)
  • Underdog ADP: Marv WR33, Wilson WR39
• Consensus:
  • Both are draftable, but Andy and Jason would put money on Marv as the higher finisher; Mike gives a hesitant nod to Wilson.
• Quote:

  “If we all had to place a bet today… I’m gonna click Marvin Harrison’s button.” —Jason (43:48)

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E. Kyle Pitts (Atlanta)

(49:12–54:58)

• Stats:
  • TE16 pre-bye (8.0 FPPG), TE3 post-bye (skewed by a 40pt week; minus that game, he scored like Dalton Schultz).
• Discussion:
  • His breakout coincided with Drake London’s absence (was ATL’s only weapon). With London healthy, expect regression.
  • Pitts’ draft position: Going after several breakout TEs (Laporta, Gadsden, Kincaid).
  • Andy & Jason both view him as waiver wire fodder/matchup streamer, not a draft target.
• Notable Quote:

  “He looks like a player—at least right now—where I’m willing to be wrong… If you want to have the bravery and you want to get the reward, I accept that.” —Mike (53:02)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If he worked here, we’d call him a horse child.” —Andy on Trevor Lawrence’s youth (24:04)
• “You are binoculars on, looking for the junior… Don’t take the junior!” —Andy, discussing Atlanta’s Brian Robinson/Bijan confusion (09:10)
• “Treadwell... one of the greatest busts of all. He’s not a disappointment like Marvin Harrison. He’s an outright bust who has stayed in the league for a decade and no one knows it.” —Andy, on Laquon Treadwell (16:48)
• “He actually might still be getting much better.” —Andy, on Trevor Lawrence’s future upside (24:08)
• “If a Chase Brown extension comes through then I will have no, no fears, no worries. My chips will be all in.” —Mike (29:12)
• “If you did draft Chase Brown...those final two weeks—RB4, RB3. But if you kept him the whole time, you probably weren’t in the playoffs.” —Andy (33:33)
• “I think Dalton Kincaid is more talented than Kyle Pitts. Gadsden is the most exciting. Laporta is on a better offense. So there’s reasons…” —Andy, on tight end tiers (54:10)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [04:32] - Dynasty startup advice (fun, logistics, strategy)
• [08:09] - News: Brian Robinson to Atlanta, Joe Flacco to Bengals, brief player news
• [19:47] - Transition to "Regress or Impress" main segment
• [20:08] - Trevor Lawrence analysis
• [28:58] - Chase Brown analysis
• [33:57] - Kenneth Gainwell discussion
• [41:36] - Cardinals WRs: Michael Wilson & Marvin Harrison Jr.
• [49:12] - Kyle Pitts discussion

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Episode Mood & Tone

• Entertaining & Approachable: Regular side tangents (horse analogies, book vs. musical debates), witty remarks, and camaraderie.
• Data-driven but Cautious: Consistent reminders about sample size, context, and role changes.
• League-winning focus: “We want to win your league in style.” (Promo)

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In Summary

The Ballers provide nuanced, humorous, and actionable analysis on whether 2025’s late-year standouts can keep it rolling in 2026. They highlight the importance of situation, role change, and small sample traps while still encouraging fantasy managers to think for themselves—especially in dynasty leagues.

Missed the episode? This summary gives you the “why,” not just the “what,” and arms you with context for each player as you prep for the 2026 fantasy season.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the fantasy footballers podc with your hosts, andy holloway, jason moore and mike wright.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome in. Thursday, March 26th. Welcome into the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Jason Moore, Mike Wright. I'm Andy Holloway.

[Mike Wright]

Happy birthday.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, according to the show doc, it is my 68th birthday and the calendar.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, the 68. It says 68.

[Jason Moore]

It says 68th birthday. Yeah, in the show doc.

[Andy Holloway]

Honest, honestly, Andy, I didn't think you were looking very good, but for 68.

[Jason Moore]

For 68, I think I'm doing right. Thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

I think you're the gotta be top thousand of 68 year olds as far

[Jason Moore]

as look, physical appearance.

[Mike Wright]

So how old was he then, Jason?

[Andy Holloway]

How old was he prior to this? 67. Oh. Ah, son of a. Hey.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Hey.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Hey.

[Andy Holloway]

I've over five years.

[Mike Wright]

Okay?

[Andy Holloway]

Us, our generation. Our generation.

[Mike Wright]

Did we do it?

[Andy Holloway]

We already killed it. I mean we did. We got you, you swift work with the 6, 7.

[Mike Wright]

That thing was intense.

[Andy Holloway]

It was intense, but it was. I mean it quickly went from like, oh, the biggest thing and all the youth. And then all us old men came in and we're like, we'll show you how stupid this is.

[Jason Moore]

And you started doing it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, like crazy.

[Jason Moore]

And now it's over.

[Andy Holloway]

It's over.

[Mike Wright]

If you have not seen there is A clip going around of Ryan Gosling doing some publicity for hashtag non sponsor project Hail Mary.

[Andy Holloway]

Awesome.

[Mike Wright]

It's great movie but there's a just a clip of him with an interviewer and it's all just the youth slang but in a real serious delivery. If you've not seen that, it's pretty funny. It is delightful.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. Well we're happy to have you with us today. Regress or impress is the main topic on the show.

[Mike Wright]

Historic L

[Jason Moore]

we got news to talk about. We got some mailbag if we got time and a reminder the ultimate draft kit available for Preorder right now ultimatedraftkit.com to check that out. If you want access to everything we offer all year long including all the in season app tools and resources and lineup optimizer everything we do including the ultimate draft kit, you can become an ultimate [e-mail] Become a Foot clan member over there and just get access to everything and make it really easy for yourself. Our quick question of the day comes from Charles in Oklahoma. Hello ballers. Doing a first time dynasty startup and just wondering if you had any tips or suggestions to make it as fun as possible. Thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

Well I mean first of all draft all the best players that will make your league way more fun.

[Mike Wright]

Dynasty startup man you better start hydrating multiple days before yeah like preload the something that somehow the general public doesn't yet understand this. If you're hydrating day of it's done.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah you're it's too late. You are not hydrated.

[Mike Wright]

You must hydrate at least the day before for any type of strenuous situation. And a dynasty startup draft if you have never done one, clear the schedule.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean imagine our so our main league of record draft we have 11 rounds because we've got keepers in there and that lasts several hours. We do it in person offline. Which is honestly that's my biggest answer to this question is try to do your you only have one dynasty startup ever. If you guys and gals and whoever's in your league are geographically in the same place or even able to take a trip to you know, let's all go to Vegas for a draft. If you can draft in person, yes, it is so much fun. However, what Mike is saying is you know you're going to end up going 30 rounds. So yeah, get your push ups in get get prepped for a long draft. Make sure you've got lunch and dinner.

[Mike Wright]

Do you remember ours?

[Andy Holloway]

I do. I do remember ours.

[Mike Wright]

It was an eternity.

[Andy Holloway]

It Was so much fun for about half of it. At least 75% of it.

[Jason Moore]

Where was it?

[Mike Wright]

That was at my house.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Yeah. I don't remember it at all.

[Mike Wright]

You blocked it out.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. It's a long journey, but it's fun. And let me ask you a side question as a follow up because he's asking about how to make the draft as fun as possible. You joked about drafting the best players. How much of a like we have dynasty startup rankings. I'm just curious how much you yourself are willing to bend the rankings to draft players you love because it's a dynasty league.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, every time.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Going against the grain of not necessarily what big. Because you're going to have this player a lot longer in theory. And usually, I mean there's a lot of turnover on everybody's roster. But if there's a player that you really love, especially if it's a younger player and it's like I'm just in love.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. If it's Cam. Scatter boo.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, exactly. I would draft Cam Sketch.

[Jason Moore]

Well, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

Bad example.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. Bad example. With the injury and the Harbaugh.

[Jason Moore]

You're more worried about the Harbaugh than the Jeremiah Love.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean I really am the only love. I just can't imagine a team that has Scatter Boo. Tyrone, Tracy and Singletary would take love. Yes. Good. But if anyone would, it would be Harbaugh. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

But I don't feel like he will do that.

[Andy Holloway]

I just don't. I think that oil and water.

[Jason Moore]

He's a ground up guy.

[Mike Wright]

The Titans need to remove the option. Titans do the wrong thing. Draft a running back at number four.

[Jason Moore]

Well, there were some reports. Right. That neither of those teams were really going to take him and Washington's the first team that was considered.

[Andy Holloway]

So I mean there's. You can hear rumors on all sides of everything because some of it is smoke. All I know is that if you want love, you need to trade to three right out there.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Come and get them.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. There you go. All right, let's talk news.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's talk some news. The Falcons.

[Mike Wright]

Diabolical.

[Jason Moore]

The Falcons are signing. Signing Brian Robinson B. Robinson to a one year deal worth 2.5 million. They lost Tyler Algier to Arizona.

[Andy Holloway]

This guy was already a problem.

[Mike Wright]

It already happened last year on the

[Andy Holloway]

sleeper platform when you're drafting and I think right now that's the.

[Jason Moore]

This is going to happen thousands of times.

[Andy Holloway]

The most common platform right now, obviously lots of drafts on different platforms, but they display their players first initial, last name, position and team. And so if you didn't pay attention last year to the team, you could have accidentally drafted Brian Robinson, which people did. But now he shares a team with Bijan. It's B. Robinson, Atlanta Falcons running back. I mean, you gotta be sweating.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

You're. You are binoculars on, looking for the junior. You're like, I'm not getting the junior. You don't want the.

[Jason Moore]

Don't take the junior. What's Bijan Robinson's number?

[Andy Holloway]

I think he's seven.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

And Mooney was fake seven. He was one.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I was just thinking, I think Brian Robinson was. He was eight in Washington.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, no. He better not go to one. Oh man. If he takes Jersey one, it's over, Toast, because you already have. I was already having a problem with Darnell Movie Mooney. This is half the size. He plays a different position.

[Jason Moore]

You will be done.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, they've got to do it. They've got to. I'm like, I want to watch the world burn every time that he's in there. And everyone thinks it's Bijan.

[Jason Moore]

I mean this is. Algier is a better player than Brian Robinson Jr. But I would agree Brian Robinson is still a larger physical back.

[Mike Wright]

They needed depth. I'm not concerned about Brian.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. It shouldn't be a big deal.

[Andy Holloway]

I think the question here from a fantasy perspective is is this enough of an impact? You know The Jameer Gibbs vs. Bijan argument at the one on one one Stephen Montgomery left and Tyler LG or left Brian Robinson coming to town. Will that vulture be Robinson? Will be Robinson coming to Will be Robinson Vulture B. Robinson right enough to make Jay Gibbs the first. The first draft.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I. Pacheco is about the same as B. Robinson in terms of my concern level. They're both in the same tier of. They're both downgrades to the players that were there before. Algier and David Montgomery were much bigger threats to both Jake Gibbs and B. Robinson.

[Andy Holloway]

Non senior sleeper. You got the room for.

[Jason Moore]

That's what they need. This needs to be the year Bijan decides to be called Bijan Robinson senior.

[Andy Holloway]

Not junior.

[Jason Moore]

Not junior. Mike, you've got to be happy. I know you're happy. Joe Flacco back to the Bengals on

[Mike Wright]

your dynasty team loves it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Because honestly you just want your guys. We all want Jamar Chase.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

T. Higgins Chase Brown to be functional if the often injured Burrow is injured.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. This is fantastic news of a true actual insurance running or a quarterback and not just if you have Burrow and Burrow misses time. Like if he's out, you will be able to pick up Flacco and simply play him. But to have the other players continue. In fact last year Jamar Chase, his numbers were better with Joe Flacco compared to Joe Burrow. Ever so slightly. I don't that's not like a 20,

[Andy Holloway]

28 targets a game.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's not a play Joe Flacco, it's just a hey, if Burrow misses the time like he almost always does, don't sweat it. You'll be all right.

[Andy Holloway]

Honestly, everybody can get injured in the league. I know Burrow has had more injuries but Stafford has been injured plenty of times. He's got a back injury. Darnold could get injured. And to me when you're looking at those top three wide receivers right now in fantasy this, this is a good enough tiebreaker to me that should the starting quarterback go down I'm not having to worry about Drew Locke or Stetson Bennett or Jalen Milroe as trying to support my number two pick in the draft, Joe Flacco we know could get it done.

[Jason Moore]

There is a report this morning the athletic saying it's a 6040 chance that breeze hall signs an extension with the jets after the NFL draft as opposed

[Mike Wright]

to playing on the franchise. Which is this is interesting to me. I know that the the jets have always they've said we want to get Breeze hall back with the long term extension. Their actions certainly have not really said that considering you should have extended him a year ago. But this how do you Jason, how do you feel about this? Oh, do it Breeze.

[Andy Holloway]

That's how I feel about it. Don't do it, Breeze. Don't generational wealth look financially sure do it.

[Mike Wright]

But what about me and my dynasty

[Andy Holloway]

team so next year in theory, I mean the franchise tag is there for any of the great players. Jonathan Taylor will probably get franchise if they don't come to an agreement. Bijon.

[Mike Wright]

Oh B. John, there was the report I think from Schefter of like get ready for Gibbs. Yeah Gibbs, APN and Bijan. We should see a market reset.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they probably those guys probably won't hit the open market and if Jonathan Taylor is also franchise then that would really mean Breeze hall is the king of free agency. I can't fathom a double franchise tag in a row on a running back.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

So I would if I'm Breece's agent I would say just play one more year, stay healthy, go get a bag For a different team.

[Jason Moore]

He'll be.

[Mike Wright]

Don't make the decision to get injured. Breeze.

[Jason Moore]

25. Yeah, see, that's.

[Mike Wright]

Decide to stay healthy. It's just mental.

[Jason Moore]

You sound like puka or something. 2026. We have our kickoff schedule for Wednesday, September 9th in Seattle.

[Andy Holloway]

You heard that right. Wednesday.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Because Thursday is going down under.

[Jason Moore]

Is it?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Thursday is going to be Melbourne. Melbourne. Sorry, I don't know. Melbourne. I know they always. They like to go. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Now what's been there.

[Jason Moore]

I haven't been there.

[Andy Holloway]

So I'm curious about this. So. So the season's going to kick off on Wednesday. Some people are really excited about it. Some people are unhappy. I don't like the like football every day of the week thing that they're trying to do. However, by the time week one comes around, I'm so excited. I want that, but. Yeah, but it's a slippery slope because then everyone's excited and then it's going to happen anyways. What I'm concerned about is because this game is coming from down under on Thursday. What time is it here? Are they.

[Mike Wright]

It's 8:30 Eastern.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Okay.

[Mike Wright]

PM I'm.

[Jason Moore]

What time is it?

[Andy Holloway]

I guess.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you for the following. It's the future. It's the morning of the future. So they will be playing Friday morning.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, got it.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, this is how the sun works.

[Jason Moore]

Do we care that the Eagles signed Elijah Moore, the Saints signed Zach Wilson, or the Falcons signed Tyler Goodson?

[Mike Wright]

Are you talking about Elijah Moore just one season removed from 100 targets in Cleveland? Kind of per the tweets, per reporters.

[Andy Holloway]

Stop it.

[Mike Wright]

I don't need your interjection a lot.

[Jason Moore]

Elijah Moore is on a nice Laquan Treadwell arc in terms of just being in the league for a long time.

[Andy Holloway]

I can't believe Laquan Treadwell, one of the greatest busts of all. Like, he's up there with the Corey Coleman and the Jamarcus Russell like he was supposed to be.

[Jason Moore]

He has got to be an amazing locker room guy.

[Andy Holloway]

He just has to.

[Jason Moore]

Just the. Like, he probably picks up all the towels.

[Andy Holloway]

I've never seen a. He like cleans an outright bust, which he is. He's not a disappointment. Like Marvin Harrison Jr. Right now is not a bust. No, Marvin Harrison Jr. Is just disappointing because you drafted him so high. This is an outright bust who has stayed in the league for a decade. He's played continually and no one knows it.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's still in the league. Dude, I totally forgot. Laquan Treadwell Year 1 1st Round Wide receiver selection by the Minnesota Vikings accumulated the total statistics of one reception for 15 yards.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, no, this is even better. He's still in the league, right? Here's his last four years. Total receptions six, then one. And by the way, we're starting in

[Andy Holloway]

2022261007 receptions in the last four years. Still signing contracts.

[Mike Wright]

He appeared in 10.

[Jason Moore]

It says he was in 10 games last year.

[Mike Wright]

This is, it's 6% of snaps. This has got to be like a special teams thing.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, this is an amazing job he's figured out.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, good for you man. I mean he'll you're vested, you're retirement, health insurance. Good for you.

[Jason Moore]

Hanging on.

[Mike Wright]

And isn't it like every year you play you get a little bit more

[Jason Moore]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

Looking good there.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man.

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Regress or impress. We're going to start with second half studs from last year and talk through the trends that we saw at the end of the 2025 season and whether we believe these players will regress or impress in 2026.

[Mike Wright]

I love this first name.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I mean this is.

[Mike Wright]

This is. This one is an interesting conversation.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Because I see the outcomes really being like I could talk myself very heavily into both sides.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So Trevor Lawrence, quarterback of the Jacksonville Jaguars, amazing season for them was super impressive. After the bye week he got it figured out. Weeks one through seven, he was the quarterback, 13, 16 fantasy points a game. But guys, after the buy 22.6 fantasy points a game.

[Mike Wright]

You know, this quarterback won over that time period.

[Jason Moore]

Over that time period.

[Andy Holloway]

He finished the season as the quarterback for basically 20 fantasy points per game, which was his career high. In year five. First year with Liancomb, you've got Liam Cohen. I switched to N and M. How

[Mike Wright]

did you do that?

[Andy Holloway]

The N and the M?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. That's impressive. Yeah, that's cool.

[Andy Holloway]

Dylan. Gabriel.

[Jason Moore]

Gillen.

[Mike Wright]

Gabriel.

[Andy Holloway]

Gillen. Gabriel.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah. You could do this with anything.

[Andy Holloway]

Just give me a name and watch out. Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Bijan Robinson.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. No, I'm going. Oh, man. I was going to do your name. Yours is going to be hard.

[Mike Wright]

I would not. I'd stop while you're ahead. You might walk into a word you don't want to say.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's true. Good advice.

[Jason Moore]

Were you in the middle of a thought?

[Mike Wright]

He was.

[Andy Holloway]

I was at the end. No, no, I was. What happened was I was in the middle of a thought but the bridge collapsed.

[Jason Moore]

Oh. And now it's lost.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm in the ocean.

[Jason Moore]

Here's why it's easy to be on both sides of the argument. For Trevor Lawrence, his success was over. It wasn't like three or four weeks. Like we've had some of these regressor impressed where it's the last three weeks of a season and it all. It's amazing. This was from week eight on. Although I would say he kind of turned on the jets for the last four weeks. I mean he had three top five finishes in that stretch. But you got other reasons to believe, right? The draft capital, the potential for him coming in. Did he get unlocked with Liam Cohen? The fact that that offense is going to be stable for another season. Not always the case for Trevor Lawrence. Historically you have Liam Cohen in there with, you know, tons of weapons in the receiver.

[Mike Wright]

They really do. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, part of the second half of that season was Jacoby Myers arriving and Travis Hunter was out for a lot of it. He'll be back. And Brian Thomas Jr. You know, do they get that figured out? Great tight end. You know, I.

[Andy Holloway]

You can also have the argument, you know, one of the arguments that we have against Jordan Love is that when Josh Jacobs came to town, they were able to run the ball much better and they didn't need to rely on the passing. And Travis Etn leaving, you know, Travis Etn a couple years ago had 11 rushing touchdowns. Had seven last year. Like that. That puts the team a little bit more on the arm of Trevor Lawrence going into year two in this system.

[Mike Wright]

And I will say this, probably better on the ground.

[Andy Holloway]

I really want to be. Yeah, true. I mean, maybe as a goal lineback, Tutin is an upgrade, but whether or not they view that schematically and decision wise, like, hey, we're going to really rely on rushing the touchdowns in when we get around there. I don't know that that's true. But Trevor Lawrence and we. Sam Darnold was drafted very, very high, had many years before it looked like he was competent several teams and you think, okay, well, we're going into year six. We know who Trevor Lawrence is. Trevor Lawrence is 26 years old. He's a he. If he worked here at our studio, we, we would call him a child, right? For sure. We'd call him a horse child. And we would say, hey, horse child, you're still getting better. And so I do think, oh my gosh, I mean, you know, if he worked here, we'd call him a horse child. There's no way we wouldn't. A baby horse, maybe a pony. I don't know what we'd call him, but he might point he's ever called

[Jason Moore]

anything a horse child.

[Andy Holloway]

Michael. My point obviously is he actually might still be getting much better.

[Mike Wright]

What outsiders on this.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, there we go. Pony boy is a great character.

[Mike Wright]

Stay golden.

[Andy Holloway]

Trevor Lawrence, his age, I think is what really pushes me to think maybe he did level up and figure something out. Also the willingness and this has been something that is in his capabilities that he was not doing enough. And it was so frustrating, so frustrating watching him with all the opportunities to run the ball and pick stuff up with his legs and he didn't do it.

[Mike Wright]

Horse legs with his.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, come on, if you're a horse, Rock, gallop, go, man. Put them shoes on and trot and but I do, I do think, I think he's leveled up. I think it's going, I think he's going to continue to impress.

[Jason Moore]

The I'm on the impressed side.

[Mike Wright]

The questionable things will be. So that time period you said where he was the QB one in points. It's after the bye week. Well, he had seven rushing touchdowns in that time. And will that sort of a thing continue going? Like, will that regress or impress? You know, we. Baker Mayfield under, under Cohen did see kind of his first spike in rushing. So is, is that truly a part of the offense where they got to the bi week and com was like, dude, Ponyboy run. You're humongous.

[Jason Moore]

Did you just get in on it?

[Mike Wright]

Pony Boy is a fun name.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Pony Boy is good.

[Mike Wright]

I don't feel as insulting as when I'm going with a classic literary character.

[Jason Moore]

Ponyboy versus horse child.

[Andy Holloway]

Ponyboy's better. Ponyboy is kinder. Ponyboy is a great character. Yeah. A literary icon.

[Mike Wright]

What is that from outsiders?

[Jason Moore]

Oops. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Not everybody's as learned as us. Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Jason. I'm normally was like read a book and you're. You are.

[Andy Holloway]

There's a musical. I saw it on Broadway.

[Mike Wright]

So stay golden.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he's not a, he's not a foal anymore. There's some me. How do you say that?

[Jason Moore]

No, you.

[Mike Wright]

There's a musical.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Great musical.

[Jason Moore]

So it's not foul.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Fouls like a bird or like a penalty.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

The fact like I've never heard this argument of, you know, it's all the

[Jason Moore]

movie going regress on Jason impress on Trevor Lawrence.

[Andy Holloway]

Movies.

[Mike Wright]

The movie book people. The book was better. Now we have book, musical, book, musical.

[Andy Holloway]

And the musical.

[Mike Wright]

The musical is better than the book.

[Andy Holloway]

It is.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, what a world we live in. So those are my biggest questions for Ponyboy about will. Will he be rushing in that many touchdowns? Because 9, 359 yards. That's not crazy. You know, Lawrence has had a year of 334, 339 so that the yardage didn't spike to a place that we've never seen before.

[Jason Moore]

But do you expect it to hit from the starting gate?

[Mike Wright]

I, I, I think if we can get the blinders on him, I think that he could zero in and really take it to a new place that we mentioned. He also had 8.6% of his pass attempts were dropped, which is the highest. I mean, shout out to Brian Thomas for everything he did for that.

[Jason Moore]

Shout out to BTJ.

[Mike Wright]

But the 8.6. That's tied for the highest rate of any quarterback over the last four years. So you're talking 400 potential yards which

[Andy Holloway]

you're not going to get all of that. But of course you still got, you

[Mike Wright]

still got some of those back. But that, that's a lot of drops that I don't think will happen. Brian Thomas cleaned up the his drop problem over the second half.

[Jason Moore]

Are we prepared to move on to the next name?

[Mike Wright]

So right now in Underdog he's going at quarterback 10.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. That's a good final question there. Is where you think he'll end up?

[Mike Wright]

I would say I don't mind that

[Jason Moore]

if he ends up as Quarterback 7, does that fit into the impressed category?

[Mike Wright]

Quarterback 7 would be.

[Jason Moore]

Is that too.

[Andy Holloway]

I think it would continue the trend that he had last year. So I'd say he would continue impressing. However, I wouldn't be happy with drafting him. Yeah, I mean that's. Those are two different conversations. Whether or not you believe like I think Trevor Lawrence continues to impress. He's probably not the quarterback that I'm going to leave my drafts with because when you're coming off of a great year like he just had, he will be drafted not as a late round quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

Does it feel like Baker.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, very, very similar to Baker when. When he was coming off of his.

[Mike Wright]

But he, but, but he can run well. He still has Cohen. Baker lost the coach.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Chase Brown impress. He was on the regressor impressed episode last year. RB19 for the first half. RB5 for the second half of the year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. He was both. He was regress impress last year.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. It was not through five weeks. He was pretty unstartable.

[Mike Wright]

Correct. But he was a victim of the Joe Burrows injury as well. Like whatever magic Jake Browning had filling in for Joe Burrow. The first time that the pixie dust wore off and it was an absolute disaster. Joe Flacco comes like I was going to say old man Joe Flacco comes in somehow fixes everything and then Joe Burrow comes back and everything is great. Chase Brown is. You still have to be under watch of you know, with the draft. The draft. I don't think that they will replace him. I, you know there was the whispers of extension talk. That was a couple months ago. So maybe that's still going on in the background. And if that, if a Chase Brown extension comes through then I will have no, no fears, no worries. My chips will be all.

[Andy Holloway]

We were asked a question on the forecast yesterday of what was. What would be some things that would happen this year to prove that the year of Mike is over. And this would be one of those, like if they were to draft a replacement.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, spend the second round pick on a running back.

[Mike Wright]

That would be devastating.

[Andy Holloway]

That would be very, very anti Mike.

[Jason Moore]

It probably won't happen. I think they're very committed to Chase Brown and believe in him. He played the entire season, stayed healthy, turned it on over the back half of the year. They've got so many needs on the defensive side of the football.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

They, you know, last year they picked up Taj Boyd right. Later in the draft as a.

[Mike Wright]

He just got really no play, got no opportunity.

[Jason Moore]

They the way like one thing you can be happy about with Chase Brown is that they didn't make a change at the head coach position even though Jason wanted them to.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

The plan right now is, hey, our offense is magma. Our offense is amazing. Can we fix things on the defensive side if we waste a pick on a high end running back for no good reason? When you get this production from Chase Brown to me, I'm going to go

[Mike Wright]

impress on Chase Brown and he's, he's an electric receiver. He had the fourth most targets at the running back position and on receptions he had the third most forced missed tackles.

[Jason Moore]

Now when Mixon was there, we got the random smash a P. Ryan adventure.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

P. Ryan did get resigned and at

[Mike Wright]

the end of the year P. Ryan did get some, some goal line work. Chase Brown is capable at that, you know, but as is P. Ryan. So that will happen over the course of the year. But when you have the, the amount of work that Chase Brown gets combined with how great he is as a receiver, it's. I will have no problem drafting him wherever he's going.

[Andy Holloway]

I agree. We're all going to be impressed here. His last 10 games, which are really the games that matter because you're talking about once they found something at the quarterback position those last 10 games, seven of the 10 he was, he was not like, oh, he was a good week. It was top 10 weekly finishes. 70% of those games. The other three were still RB2s. It wasn't zero bad weeks during that stretch. The fact that he got off to such a slow start with the Joe Burrow injury and was so devastating. I mean this was a guy that when you're going into week five, week six, you're talking should, should you be dropping him? Should you cut Chase Brown at that point? And I don't think he's going to be overdrafted going into this year. Again, he's not going to be someone that people are crazy bullish on there. There will be enough fear for from

[Mike Wright]

the first five weeks last year, every league will have one of 10, one of 12 people who hates Chase Brown because they drafted him last year and it didn't work. And I would love to see the numbers of the people who drafted Chase Brown and rode out the whole season with him. It didn't get to the point where there's like, this crap sucks, I'm out, this guy stinks, he'll never be good. And then they trade him or they cut him. And then the beneficiary of Chase Barron was not the drafter.

[Jason Moore]

No. And it was the same with Burrow and Chase.

[Mike Wright]

I mean you right.

[Jason Moore]

Like those guys got moved. Jamar Chase was not a great option for five weeks with Browning.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Mike Wright]

He was unstarted.

[Jason Moore]

Slacko Revolution saved the day.

[Andy Holloway]

If you did draft Chase Brown, you know, those final three weeks were the final two weeks. Championship and semifinals. The running back four, the running back three. If you kept him the whole time, you probably weren't in the playoffs. Like he either was a real great player for someone who picked him up or he was so bad in the beginning that he hurt you and you're going to never draft him again.

[Jason Moore]

Kenneth Gainwell, who is now a Tampa Bay Buccaneer. Second half of the year he was the running back 12, kept surprising in Pittsburgh, kept becoming more and more utilized in Pittsburgh signs a. Well, kind of used that year to sign a two year deal worth up to 14 million in Tampa. 10 million guaranteed. That's not nothing. He's 26.9 years old, entering his sixth year. He did lead the Pittsburgh Steelers in receptions.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, embarrassing.

[Jason Moore]

Which is impressive for him and embarrassing

[Andy Holloway]

for DK Metcalf and for the Steelers as an organization. I don't think you ever want a running back to lead your team in receptions. And if you, and if your running back does lead your team in receptions, you hope it's Christian McCaffrey or someone that is like one of the best players in the league not coming into the season, your second or third string running back.

[Jason Moore]

So I mean, I feel like this is one where my instant default easy answer is going to be regress because you kind of had a unique situation. There wasn't a lot of weapons in Pittsburgh. You did deal with some injuries at the running back position. He became kind of integral. It seems like one of those things that would depart from fantasy value when you leave that scenario and you have, you know, all the Wide receivers and tight ends. And Bucky Irving in Tampa, is that the side that you're going to go with?

[Mike Wright]

I don't think I'm fully committed to regress because he's a good player. Those things would not have happened in Pittsburgh if he weren't showing out with talents. I mean, you went into that year, Jaylen Warren had just received, you know, a baby, a micro extension for his bank account. And then by this second half, Kenneth Gainwell had kind of overtaken him in terms of the timeshare. Kenneth Gainwell and Bucky Irving is going to be extremely difficult because I don't have a strong. I don't have a strong enough conviction in Bucky Irving to say this signing doesn't matter. Two year, 14 million. You know, I don't really care about Kenneth Gainwell. I do care, but Bucky is also a tremendous player.

[Jason Moore]

It feels like a conversation around Bucky. Really?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's. Yeah. I mean, obviously Bucky is undersized, could get injured. We saw him get injured last year. There's also some, you know, smoke about the mental issue, you know, hardships that Bucky has gone through. So Bucky, to me, is a great player who is so far ahead of Kenneth Gainwell where he will retain. Like Rashad White was involved last year, Rashad White played 17 games and was the running back. 34 is pretty irrelevant. If Bucky Irving were to go down or out for any reason, then I do think Kenneth Gainwell is a very interesting player. But what Kenneth Gainwell did this last year was really take on a role. Even when Jalen Warren was active and healthy, Kenneth Gainwell was still leading the team in receptions, was on the field all the time, was running routes. And I don't anticipate that being what they brought him in to do. They brought him in to just be a replacement of Rashad White, a backup, a spell.

[Mike Wright]

But he's much better than Rashad White.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but much worse than Bucky Irving.

[Mike Wright]

I don't think he's much worse than Bucky in my evaluation of it. I think he is much, much better than Rashad White. And so it's what happens when all that work that Rashad White got, what happens when it's a good player. What happens to Bucky Irving then?

[Jason Moore]

Sure, you look at Gainwell the runner that way or just the versatility that

[Mike Wright]

way, because I think really both. I mean, he's a he for his career. He's a 4.4 yards per attempt runner. I mean, Rashad White could never.

[Jason Moore]

He seems to endear himself to the team that he's on. That is one thing that you can say about Kenny Gainwell is that he's somebody that does all the dirty work, all the stuff that you don't see that doesn't show up in the fantasy football stat sheets and teams end up falling in love with him and giving him more time. And that would be my concern for Bucky, but it doesn't mean that I think that the fantasy value is going to be consistent for Gainwell. I'm going to go regression.

[Mike Wright]

I. Yeah, I lean that way. But I'm curious. Do we know where Kyle, do we know where Bucky is going in? Like, what's the temp? What's the public temperature right now on Bucky Irving? Because that might. It might end up being a situation where I'll just be willing to miss of what Bucky's going to offer.

[Jason Moore]

RB no, wait.

[Mike Wright]

Bucky's 37.

[Jason Moore]

That's got to be Daniel's 37.

[Andy Holloway]

Bucky 17. Okay, okay.

[Mike Wright]

See, that makes far more sense.

[Jason Moore]

Gainwell 37. Bucky 17. Bucky at 17 seems like a pretty good. That's not bad.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm totally willing to take the shot on him there.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I don't want to forget what Bucky is capable of doing, but we'll see. All right, we'll take another quick break and then we'll come back, do a couple other regressor impressions. Awkward time to ask this, but. Hey, did you download the trail map?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. No, I don't need to.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Michael Wilson oh boy. Good golly Miss Molly.

[Mike Wright]

Oh boy.

[Jason Moore]

Irrelevant in the first half of the year. Wide receiver three over the second half of the year.

[Mike Wright]

Irrelevant for what, two and a half years?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's a better way to put it.

[Mike Wright]

And then what year are we going into with Wilson going into year four

[Andy Holloway]

and then he became Jerry Rice.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

When the team was throwing the ball 40 times a game with Jacoby Brissette,

[Jason Moore]

he was the wide receiver three 17 points a game.

[Andy Holloway]

No Marvin Harrison on the field for the majority of that. And film wise stats, wise advanced metric, wise separation ever, there was no flaw in his game. So the question is, was that the breakout or was that the opportunity of what the Cardinals were doing and the fact that he was kind of thrust into wide receiver one territory here for the Cardinals.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, and it's going to come down to how we define impress and regress here, because I don't think any of us are going to expect the performances of the second half of the year where wide receiver three or 17 fantasy points a game.

[Andy Holloway]

But I would say here's how I would define whether it's a continuing continuous impress or he regresses back to not necessarily. He's not going to be either he's not going to be the wide receiver 81. He's not going to be the wide receiver three. That's what you're saying. I think the best way to view it is, is he the wide receiver one for the Arizona Cardinals or is Marvin Harrison Jr. The wide receiver? Because if he, if he takes hold of that and is the primary non Trey McBride receiving option for the Cardinals, then he is continued to impress. If he's not, if he takes that backup role and he's the third target on the team, you'd say he regressed from where he was.

[Jason Moore]

I think that he should be and he won't be. I think it's very good that Jacoby Brissette's the quarterback for Michael Wilson, but I don't think like if you. Because look, if we all had to place a bet today, put $100 down on the table and you click the Michael Wilson button or you click the Marvin Harrison button and we presume health and we say, what is the. What are the fantasy outcomes for those two players? At the end of the year? I'm going to click Marvin Harrison's button.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that shocks me. I am as well, but I thought I was going to be the only one here.

[Jason Moore]

Sometimes it's just too squeaky, I think. I think the targets will be there for Marvin Harrison.

[Mike Wright]

We're going into. This is year three of Marv.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So it's year three of Marv, year four of Michael Wilson.

[Jason Moore]

I think. I think I would put not that different. No, I know, I know. Look, I think Michael Wilson showed us consistently on a weekly basis that his, his talent is there, his capability is there on every level. Jason talked about the metrics. Right now, Marvin Harrison is the wide receiver 33 in basketball. Michael Wilson is the wide receiver 39 in best ball. I would expect, just looking at that, I would expect both guys to outperform those numbers.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And that doesn't mean I'm going to be happy. It doesn't mean I'm going to get a wide receiver 15 number. But, you know, if they end 15, 18, I won't be shocked.

[Andy Holloway]

The nice thing about the Arizona Cardinals. So I was really pouring some cold water at the end of the season pointing out what happened to the Cardinals defense. What happened where they put Jacoby Brissette in, just threw the ball. Every play they lost. Every game, you know, every game that Jacoby Brissette was a starter, they lost and they threw the ball a kajillion times. And, you know, Jacoby was on pace for like, I don't know, 4,000 5,000 yards. It was, it was asinine and that that wasn't going to happen again. But I am not as convinced that they're not going to just continue to air it out and need to keep up. They have signed nobody of relevance and nor do they want to sign.

[Jason Moore]

And by the way, I'm saying on

[Andy Holloway]

the defensive side of the ball, can

[Jason Moore]

I just call Jason. He was 1 in 11.

[Andy Holloway]

No. In games he started. I don't think he.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, you think he came into one and got a win?

[Andy Holloway]

I believe so. I could be wrong. Maybe he was 1 in 11 and did not go winless. He might have had. I don't.

[Jason Moore]

It was really just a joke.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. You know, but the Cardinals, they have done the right thing, which is sign a bunch of worthless one year deals. They have the most cap space going into next year. They are not going to be a competitive team. Their defense is going to continue to be bad. And with Jacoby Brissette back in tow, I do think that they. For fantasy purposes, Andy, one of your things to remember this year was like bad teams really ruin good players. And I think that's so true of, you know, the Browns and the Jets, Garrett Wilson, Breece hall, they're not going to. I don't know if it's the. And I know we're Cardinals fans, but I hate the Cardinals. I do think that the offense will have fantasy football relevance.

[Mike Wright]

You should revise bad offenses or just bad quarterbacks. Yeah, maybe Jacoby's not bad. He's not a, he's not a long term starter, but he's not a bad quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he beat, he beat the Dallas Cowboys.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

As a starter, as a starter. He started that snap.

[Jason Moore]

Started.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, go.

[Jason Moore]

Jacobi started and 1. He beat the Cowboys of all teams.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he did.

[Jason Moore]

And that defense. No, I think you could make some, some tweaks. I mean, you're not like their offense was great. There's a re. I mean, legitimately, there's a reason why Detroit went out and got the blobfish from Arizona and it was because of the success he had with the Cardinals. Had more players in injured reserve than the final four teams in the NFC playoffs combined. So the Cardinals dealt with massive injuries, fourth string running backs, no Kyler Murray. And they had a pretty dominant offense for the back half of the year in terms of production. And that's why, you know, you will have a change at the offensive coordinator. You're bringing in, you know, LaFleur, who's going to take over and that's going to bring some variables, but I think part of it is going to be, you know, the Cardinals have two ways to go on Marvin Harrison it is. But staying neutral on it is not going to be one of them. You're either going to go the direction of this is not going to work here and he's going to get moved and it's not going to happen, or you're going to go the direction of we're going to make it work and the targets are going to be there. But staying neutral I don't think is going to happen. And I think that's part of the agenda for LaFleur.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike, who do you think has the better fantasy season between those two wide receivers? Andy and I are on the side of taking the shot on Marv.

[Mike Wright]

I if I had to click the button right now, I would click Michael Wilson. Okay, I which is it where what's so difficult for Michael Wilson is the first two years in the league. My opinion of him was he is not that good. Like he was not getting away. He was not creating separation. He was not handling his business. I mean he was just a he was like a wide receiver three type. You know of you should be on a team, but you're nowhere near the level of a player who can take over a game. And over the second half he did that. He took over while Trey McBride is still on the team where Marv we've seen him take over maybe a couple times. So it's hard to change your opinion or speaking of myself, it's hard to change my opinion of how bad I felt about Michael Wilson to what we saw over the second half.

[Jason Moore]

One more name for you. We get to talk about him forever. Kyle Pitts 8 fantasy points a game in the first half tight end 16 not the end of the world but not helpful second half of the year. The tight end 3 had the greatest game for a tight end of all time in week 15.

[Mike Wright]

It's really skewing the average.

[Jason Moore]

He also is going to you're going to hear like tight end 2 around Kyle Pitt's name. His 9.8 fantasy points per game is the lowest ever for a tight end too. So it wasn't great for tight ends last year. And week 15, I don't know what the numbers would be. Oh, I've got it. Yeah, without the 40 point week 15 he would be. He would have been 7.9 a week and that would have been the same as Britain Strange and Dalton Schultz. So you don't want to take away the ability to Put up the biggest game of all time. But at the same time, you know, that's a pretty special outlier game.

[Mike Wright]

So like in best ball right now, going after Kyle Pitts is Sam Laporta, Aranda Gadsden, Dalton Kincaid. To get cheaper over Kyle Pitts, I think I would go that direction. I mean, the quarterback questions for Atlanta are very real. Will Penix be healthy? Is he even good enough? And then if that's not the answer, then your solution is to. How good of a solution is that?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think I was I seeing because there were some comments around Tua being willing to mentor Michael Penix and it's like one of them's like two is 28. Pennix is 26. He was older, remember?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So it's like these guys are really not that different in terms of like, but experience.

[Andy Holloway]

They're very different.

[Jason Moore]

Very, very different. But also, you know, who do you

[Andy Holloway]

think wins the job?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, Penix. Yeah. I think Penix will have the beginning of the season. The. I don't know how to go from there.

[Andy Holloway]

The issue with Kyle Pitts, I mean, the same thing we were saying about

[Mike Wright]

I'm out.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Trevor Lawrence being young. Kyle Pitts is only 25 years old. That's the argument at the end of the year he leveled up. He showed out. They're going to come in next year with a better plan for him. He's going to figure it out. That is the argument.

[Mike Wright]

Stefanski.

[Andy Holloway]

I know. Let me talk you out. When you look at last season, how bad he was, and then you hit week 13 and all of a sudden he's the tight end six, the tight end seven, the tight end one, the tight end three, like, just awesome. That's no Drake London. No Drake London. No Drake. That was when Drake London got injured. Yeah. So all of a sudden he became the de facto number one target for the team and then had to, had to put up points.

[Jason Moore]

He's at least the de facto number two right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but he was the de facto two before that and he wasn't very good.

[Jason Moore]

Well, it's funny because you said if you took week 15 out, we'd be at 7.9 fantasy points per game. His first half of the year was 8.2 for the first half, which is tight in 16. So if you, if you look at that, you know he's going to regress from his fantasy finish at tight end for sure. Yes, he's going to regress in his fancy points per game of the second half of the year. I don't think you're getting 11.6 over the second half of the year. So you know, I think overall unless he is cheap, which maybe he will be, but I don't think so. I think there's a lot of reasons for people to believe in him right now.

[Andy Holloway]

So I will be happy.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think I'll draft.

[Andy Holloway]

I will be very happy. Happy to grab him for a matchup off the waiver wire. I will do that once or twice through the year. He will be there. He. Maybe not week one, but he'll be there. And you can grab him and play him in the right matchup.

[Mike Wright]

He looks like a player at least right now of we bring up the phrase or the kind of the saying of like when there's certain players I'm willing to be wrong, you know about by drafting them. I'm willing to be wrong about Kyle Pitts of bypassing unless someone else. Someone else. If you want to have the bravery and you want to get the reward, I accept that.

[Jason Moore]

Let me, let me see if this final bit of information changes anything. Right now he is. He's going behind. Behind Harold Fannin in Best Ball.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

He's going behind Tucker Kraft who's going to come back from an injury and was really good. I think that all makes sense. The guys he's going ahead of. I don't know, maybe I would take him ahead of them. Sam Laporta or And a Gadsden.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Dalton Kincaid.

[Mike Wright]

I think I take all three of those guys ahead of. Maybe not. Maybe not Laporta.

[Andy Holloway]

I would rather have them than Pitts. I wouldn't necessarily draft him ahead over Pitts.

[Mike Wright]

Dude, I think I would dunk that.

[Jason Moore]

Just.

[Mike Wright]

I mean Dalton Kincaid was.

[Jason Moore]

Kincaid's on the Pitts career arc.

[Mike Wright]

Disappointing at least. Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Inconsistent.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean both, both guys have dealt with injury. Obviously DJ Moore being there will be the number one target in the offense, you would presume but that could be good for the tight end position to open it up a little bit. I, I think Dalton Kincaid is more talented than Kyle Pitts. Gadsden is the most exciting. Laporta is on a better offense. So there's reasons but they're all later. And that's, that's the thing that you can't miss here.

[Mike Wright]

They're all just overall the offenses are better.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. It's not that you would draft those guys over Kyle Pitts if Kyle Pitts was, you know, being drafted at the hundred as the 110th player where Gadsden is. But if you're telling me I can wait and take a player that I don't know. I probably believe in the player more in Gadsden than in Pitts and I can get him in the hundreds.

[Mike Wright]

I'll do that.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Glad we get to talk about Kyle Pitts again. It's on my birthday too.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, that's, that's not big honor.

[Jason Moore]

Not really a gift so much as a curse. But we're going to wrap it up. Appreciate you joining us. We'll be back with a couple more episodes next week. A reminder, jointhefoot.com if you want to head over there. We're going to be getting into the rookie previews. The NFL draft is really not that far away. So we're going to start talking through the quarterbacks, the running backs, wide receivers, tight ends, the names you need to know, and the players that we believe in or are starting to believe.

[Andy Holloway]

It sounds like we believe in pony boy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. That's the irony of that entire segment is that I'm pretty sure it was. It was a little demeaning.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he had so many horse parts.

[Jason Moore]

It was all followed up by a. Impress, Impress, Impress.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, dude. Horses are impressive animals.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you for joining us. I'm sorry, everybody. It's just who we are. We're children. We'll catch you on the next episode.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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