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Andy Holloway
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Mike Wright
The NFL, the Fantasy footballer studio is sponsored by Walmart. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.
Andy Holloway
Welcome in.
Jason Moore
His football time will.
Andy Holloway
Yes, it is. Thursday, October 23rd, the fantasy footballers podcast. Jason Moore, Mike Wright. Mr. Mom returns.
Jason Moore
Skull. My Vikings fans, my brethren.
Andy Holloway
Yes. Yes. You were not on the show yesterday. Correct.
Mike Wright
So you don't. Good man.
Jason Moore
That's what I hear.
Andy Holloway
You don't know the fact that that's my almost upset of the week.
Jason Moore
I didn't even. Dude, you never do. You miss one day and I feel like I have no idea what's going on. Like, where's the game? Is it in Minnesota? What's the line? No, I have no idea.
Andy Holloway
No, no, it's not. I don't know what's going on. Okay. I'll catch you up.
Jason Moore
I could look it up, but I'm not gonna.
Andy Holloway
It's not in Minnesota. It is in Los Angeles. The Chargers is who they're playing and that part I knew. Okay. And they are three and a half point underdogs.
Jason Moore
Oh.
Andy Holloway
And so that was. That was the pick. That was the almost upset.
Jason Moore
I can dig it.
Andy Holloway
So there you are. Football tonight we're just one week removed from an incredible Thursday night game that nobody saw coming with the old men.
Jason Moore
Is Aaron Jones playing?
Mike Wright
I believe he will play. It is not a guarantee. He's trending towards playing currently listed as questionable. And I assume that a breaking news segment will interrupt me as I speak.
Andy Holloway
Do we convince him Realistic chance to return tonight.
Jason Moore
Let's. Let's.
Andy Holloway
Two hours ago.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Realistic chance to return. You don't like that? As a Jordan Mason manager I prefer it not.
Jason Moore
Mason is still playable with it. The first game back for Jones.
Andy Holloway
What if the. What if the man Aaron Jones just wants to. I think is that okay?
Jason Moore
Dude. The Vikings could use some help on special teams.
Andy Holloway
Okay. Okay.
Jason Moore
Maybe defense.
Andy Holloway
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Mike Wright
News and notes from around the league presented by Progressive Insur.
Andy Holloway
That means you also if you didn't listen to yesterday's show, Mike. Because you were playing Papa Bear at home.
Mike Wright
Hooky.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, you're playing hooky. You also missed. We gave the Falcon the opportunity to read the disclaimer for Progressive.
Mike Wright
I did exactly as you would expect.
Jason Moore
I can imagine.
Andy Holloway
Legal actually let me know that we can't do that anymore. Is that.
Jason Moore
Is that accurate?
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Because it's not a formal disclaimer if the letters are all jumbled. Exactly.
Mike Wright
Okay.
Jason Moore
Yeah. Those are big words.
Andy Holloway
Those are a lot of big words in succession.
Jason Moore
A lot of big official words there.
Andy Holloway
It was great. And then he did the mailbag as well to try to like kind of redeem it, which was worse.
Mike Wright
We had to memorize that though. We did not want him reading mailbag.
Andy Holloway
Because the mailbag drop those that are listening on the podcast. We. We made sure that your hearing wasn't damaged.
Mike Wright
To be fair, I was overruled. I Said not to edit it.
Andy Holloway
I felt like it was a danger.
Mike Wright
About drivers and people on the road. But if you. What you heard was not nearly as bad as what we heard.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, yeah, it was bad, Mike.
Jason Moore
No, I believe it.
Andy Holloway
Hassan Haskins, formally out for this evening.
Mike Wright
Oh, Silky, luscious locks. Vidal Sassoon.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Mike Wright
Wait, what?
Andy Holloway
I. Luscious locks?
Jason Moore
No, no, no, no. It was the accent.
Mike Wright
I can't imagine that Vidal Sassoon is American. He's some kind of.
Jason Moore
Well, it might be. I mean, you're just of his.
Andy Holloway
Got a foreign accent like the one I just did.
Mike Wright
Clearly.
Jason Moore
He was from Austria with Arnold.
Andy Holloway
Vidal says soon Schwarzenegger.
Mike Wright
Let me wash your head.
Andy Holloway
So.
Mike Wright
Okay. Okay.
Jason Moore
Get to the bottom.
Mike Wright
Vidal Sassoon. Place of birth?
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Mike Wright
Hammersmith. London in the uk.
Jason Moore
Let's be very clear.
Andy Holloway
We did not for a min think that he was American.
Mike Wright
Okay.
Andy Holloway
We just didn't think what you said made sense.
Jason Moore
Okay, do it again. But London.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Mike Wright
Oh, bad start, bad start. Okay, hold on. I gotta. I gotta get. I gotta get into my little lad. I gotta get into the.
Jason Moore
You gotta get English.
Mike Wright
I gotta get into the. The. The mood.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Mike Wright
The Queen's beans on toast.
Jason Moore
Okay.
Mike Wright
Beans on toast. Luscious locks. Vidal Sassoon. There you go.
Jason Moore
All right. Dude, that was so British.
Mike Wright
Thank you.
Jason Moore
Thank you.
Mike Wright
It was very.
Andy Holloway
I like how you got into it, though.
Mike Wright
That was smart.
Andy Holloway
You gotta find your phrase.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I've heard people. They need the. The one phrase that can lock them in, right?
Mike Wright
Beans on toast. Beans on toast, Man. They eat some stupid food there.
Jason Moore
But I look at it. I understand that people are super disgusted by seeing it. I bet that thing rips those beans on that toast.
Mike Wright
I had it. Not bad. But they eat some stupid food. They eat some. I'm sorry for everyone that is in line there.
Andy Holloway
So you're an authority, right?
Mike Wright
Like, I'm pretty much. They eat some awful. They have. What's it called? It's like black. It's like blood sausage. Mm.
Jason Moore
Interesting.
Mike Wright
Disgusting.
Jason Moore
Sounds terrible.
Mike Wright
I mean, it's worse.
Andy Holloway
You like a lot of stuff?
Mike Wright
Oh, yeah. I eat garbage from the dumpster.
Jason Moore
That Vegemite is Australia.
Andy Holloway
Australian falcon.
Jason Moore
Good Lord, man. Read a book.
Mike Wright
Someone cut his slack off.
Jason Moore
My goodness.
Mike Wright
What does that mean?
Andy Holloway
All right, listen, I want to get back to Kamani Vidal because he's going to be alone, but I don't really love him tonight. Do you?
Jason Moore
Volume will be fine.
Mike Wright
I do think that both of these teams can be run on. So. Yeah, he's an okay play to me.
Andy Holloway
Okay.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I I mean top 20 type.
Andy Holloway
Okay. All right. Aaron Jones, questionable with the hamstring, might return. Lamar Jackson returned to a limited practice on Wednesday. You know, I had told Jason yesterday we were talking about this, I think there was a lot of alarm that he hadn't practiced. But to me, when I think about my franchise quarterback recovering from a hamstring injury every day you get to rest it. Is it better situation for you playing well on Sunday and not re aggravating it. So.
Mike Wright
And it's not like he is the type of player that like, well, he's got to practice.
Andy Holloway
He needs a bunch of work to know the playbook.
Mike Wright
Right. He is clearly in charge of this offense, knows what he's doing. I think the more physical rest you can give him, the better.
Andy Holloway
DJ Moore, DeAndre Swift and Cole Comet all did not practice on Wednesday. We'll monitor those. Calvin Ridley did not practice. He had missed last week with the hamstring. Chris Olave did not practice.
Mike Wright
This one is a little bit more interesting. He's still reported that he's expected to play, but I want to pay attention to it and monitor it because it was like a late addition ankle injury.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, yeah, it was. When I saw that, I kind of giggled. Not because I want him to be hurt, but because you and I had.
Mike Wright
Had a perspective in the shower this morning. I was like, if he misses, I'm going to re offer that trade.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, he had. Jason had been trying to trade for Marvin Harrison with some bigger pieces and then he hadn't realized that he wasn't going to have Marv this week. And then they. And Olave was a part of it.
Jason Moore
Do you ever have Marv?
Andy Holloway
No.
Mike Wright
No one has a question.
Andy Holloway
Brock Purdy limited on Wednesday with the toe injury. Ricky Pierce all did not practice. Ricky, I wanted to make like Pearsall was in the finalists for second half sleeper. I like that because I'm like he's been forgotten completely. He was leading the league in receiving yardage before the injury. But also like Ricky Pearsall's story in the NFL and I'm not talking about the shooting, of course, talking about after that. It's been a lot of injury like that has been a problem. So we'd love to see him back out there, but nobody's really stepping up. Like if Kendrick Bourne can come off the street and put up 100 plus yards in back to back weeks, it's right there for Pearsall.
Jason Moore
I agree.
Andy Holloway
But he's got to get back. Josh Downs limited on Wednesday with a concussion. We think he'll be back. We don't know. Christian Watson said, quote my plan is to play.
Mike Wright
Yeah. Okay, this makes sense. He basically has to right. His 21 day window was opened two weeks ago so I think if he doesn't play this week, he can't play.
Jason Moore
Okay, then his plan should be to play.
Mike Wright
Right.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. Week eight against the Steelers. Watson should be back. Nico Collins Christian Kirk didn't practice. Kirk missed a week. Nico with the concussion will be watching that. Normally with the protocol you got to practice kind of on Friday to get back for Sunday. Michael Pinnick Jr. Ltd. With a knee. I thought he had a foot or toe situation.
Mike Wright
I think it was always the knee.
Andy Holloway
Okay.
Mike Wright
But yeah, he's at home this week and is a decent streamer if he's active.
Andy Holloway
I think I might have added him as my like starting quarterback in place of Jaden Daniels this week. I mean it is Jaden Daniels being out just adds to the bi week situation. Making it harder.
Mike Wright
Really stinks that he's a Monday Night Football.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. I mean would you rather play Michael Pennish Jr. Or Mariota in place of Jaden with the running?
Mike Wright
The matchup is not good. The weapons are not good. So like Mario for Mariota I have the exact same the listener league. I've got Jaden Daniels and I was trying to make that decision of like so I went after Mariota was there and I was like I'm going to prefer Flacco over him. I won't know on Sunday so I'm going to have to start somebody and I, I don't want to run Mariota without weapons and a tough matchup.
Andy Holloway
Okay. Yeah, makes sense. Any other news we have AJ Brown didn't practice due to a hamstring injury.
Mike Wright
It's new news. We'll keep monitoring most Wednesday not practicing Things are just completely like I irrelevant to me. I don't pay much attention to them.
Andy Holloway
All right, that was news and notes sponsored by Progressive Insurance quote today@progressive.com Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and third party insurers not available in all states or situations Coverage subject to policy terms, limits and conditions. Let's get into the starts.
Mike Wright
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Andy Holloway
Are confidence plays this week all the more important with six teams on by I imagine most lineups a flex spot is going to be a player you're not particularly comfortable with this week. A lot of like I said quarterbacks taking the week off. Six teams on by. Your opponent's probably in the same situation. We want to give you some confidence plays let's start at quarterback, guys. Jason, you want to take it away?
Jason Moore
Sure.
Mike Wright
I'm going to do something I don't usually do. I don't love doing starts of the week on Thursday Night Football. I did it last week with Jalen Warren. It worked out all right. I'm going to do it again tonight. At quarterback. Justin Herbert, I think, is a great play this week. He's the quarterback, four on the season. He's putting up ridiculous numbers. He's on pace right now for 4,632 passing touchdowns while doing something far more exciting that he doesn't usually do. He's on pace for career highs and rushing to 73 rushing attempts for 452 yards. No quarterback in the history of the NFL has ever rushed for 450 yards while throwing for 4,632 touchdowns. So whether that happens or not, that's just what he's doing already. And the Chargers, they currently rank third in passing rate over expectations. So in those neutral game scripts, what are they doing? I know that it's very low T. It's low T. But it's, you know, it's. It's high H. It's putting the ball in Justin Herbert's hand. Yeah, it was a. It was a Herbert Harbaugh. Whatever.
Jason Moore
Okay?
Mike Wright
The quarterbacks, they. They are. The strength of this team right now is to pass the ball. They have great weapons. You know, they've got four legitimate great weapons. And that's not even counting my dude, Trey Harris, who is awesome and will someday be awesome. The Vikings are a pretty good past defense, but they do rank 24th and schedule adjusted fantasy points given up to the quarterback position. So I think you could start Justin Herbert this week.
Jason Moore
I'm going. Bo Nicks, baby. We're taking on the Dallas Cowboys. It's what we want. It's the highest over under the wings.
Mike Wright
I'm taking the Denver Broncos, baby.
Andy Holloway
You don't need to say anything.
Jason Moore
Well, I'll add a couple.
Andy Holloway
We should have.
Mike Wright
We should have.
Jason Moore
There's a lot of Broncos in this section.
Mike Wright
I was going to say we should just literally every Thursday have a start of the week as whatever team is playing the Cowboys start all of.
Andy Holloway
Unless it's Bill.
Jason Moore
No.
Mike Wright
What?
Andy Holloway
Mike. Mike.
Mike Wright
Did we get a new. Did we finally. We didn't finalize.
Jason Moore
I was going with the. I was going with the sad shoulder shrug, though.
Andy Holloway
I'm just a bill.
Jason Moore
Cowboys, 31st in yards per pass attempt. Dead last in adjusted completion percentage. Dead last. And schedule adjusted fantasy points to the quarterback position it might take until the fourth quarter with the way that the Broncos and Bo Nicks have been playing. But good news, there's a fourth quarter.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, no bonix. Got to follow that up. Jason doesn't like it but this is the week for me.
Jason Moore
What do we got?
Mike Wright
But Christian Watson helps Jordan Love.
Andy Holloway
I'm going to go start of the week. Jordan Love at Pittsburgh. You have to pick your spots with him. He has a. He's had a lack of true blow up games this year and it's masked how efficient and good he's been at quarterback. And we've talked about this at length yesterday he was my second half sleeper. 15 yards per attempt right now 4th and pass success rate number one unexpected points per drop back. You know this is not the Steelers defense that we used to have. Just asked Jason. He had negative one points from them last week. 31st in passing yards per game allowed, 31st in schedule adjusted fantasy points wild. The quarterbacks are doing major work on Pittsburgh and Christian wants to coming back. Jordan Love, he has played well. They just haven't asked him to do as much. Still dealing with the recovery of injury for Josh Jacobs. We'll see what happens in this one. But I like Jordan Love, especially on a week with so many buys.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I'm going to go with J.K. dobbins. We talked about it. He played Dallas, the Broncos. I mean J.K. dobbins, he has been good, had a disappointing week but he's been top 24 running back in six of seven weeks so far. The only guys that can claim that right now are Dobbins, Josh Jacobs, scatter Boo A Chan, Bijan, CMC and Jonathan Taylor.
Andy Holloway
That was a pretty long list. But it's a long list of a lot of people.
Mike Wright
But it's only like Jonathan Taylor, the stud of studs. Christian McCaffrey, the stud of studs. Yeah, Bijan stud of studs. Bijan Robinson is the stud of studs.
Jason Moore
Okay, what do you think?
Mike Wright
One minute a chance. Scatter Boo Jacobs. My point is all those guys are like you don't even question. You don't think should I start, should I pivot to someone? And then there's Dobbins who's there with them and he's been really good. He is clearly the leader of this offense. The Denver offensive line is outstanding. The Dallas defensive line is outstanding for the other team. So they're giving up everything to everyone other than Bill. I am going to start J.K. dobbins, no problem.
Jason Moore
And I'm going with Chase Brown against the Jets. Okay with the matchup. It's not great.
Andy Holloway
However we are second half sleeper for Jason.
Mike Wright
We.
Jason Moore
I like it because we're chasing a heavy home favorite here. The Bengals currently 6 and a half point home favorites and the receiving floor. It's actually okay where we had the eighth most targets at the running back position and Joe Flacco. I don't know how much you dove into because I wasn't here for the show of second half sleepers that I had. But the.
Andy Holloway
Yes, he was but he was on both of our list as like not our main names. But you and I both had him on our.
Jason Moore
Flacco.
Andy Holloway
Yes. Flacco as the.
Jason Moore
My.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Jason Moore
My belief in Joe Flacco is at a. An insane and irrational point right now of like I, I picked him up as a backup. I have Bo Nix this week and for league of record I picked up Joe Flacco. I spent over $10 of fab just to make sure that because. Because no other person's crazy enough to spend 10 bucks of your fab on Joe Flacco, especially when you're not starting him. But the, the schedule for the Cincinnati Bengals moving forward is ridiculous in terms of schedule adjusted points to the quarterback positions. I, I think that. And then. And that trickles over to Chase Brown of course. Just saying I wanted to get my piece and of. Of where I am with Joe Flacco and it's, it's. It's frightening to believe in such an old man with such a bad offensive line.
Andy Holloway
Mike Tomlin doesn't come out and get angry about situations like this very often. I think he knew what we're knowing.
Mike Wright
Now that he's so calm, cool and collected and he was so pissed. He was so pissed about.
Andy Holloway
He knew what it meant to get Flacco more than we knew.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
All right, Mike.
Mike Wright
Oh, speaking of Tomlin and the Steelers, we mentioned yesterday that the Aaron Rodgers was going to Green Bay. This game is in Pittsburgh.
Andy Holloway
Yes.
Jason Moore
Well, we don't know. Maybe he's going to do like just a little round trip flight just to check in and then go back to the game.
Andy Holloway
A little typo over on this side of things. So sorry about that. At symbol we had wondered if he was going to get booed. Aaron Rodgers probably not going to get booed at home.
Mike Wright
Well, I think he'll be cheered. Unless. Yeah. I mean if he's not impossible.
Andy Holloway
It's not Mike, you'll be happy. Jordan Mason is my start of the week. It's play against the Chargers a True run funnel. We refute. We reviewed that yesterday on the show. Both teams are the same in that regard. But 29th and yards before contact. The Chargers over the last six weeks, the 28th best in fantasy points allowed to running backs. Jordan Mason is going to get the majority of the work even if Aaron Jones is back. I like the almost upset and I like Jordan Mason to get into the end zone maybe twice in this game, maybe two times. We'll see.
Mike Wright
That'd be a lot. My wide receiver start of the week Roma Dunes. He is coming off of a couple of disappointing weeks. Wide Receiver 58 Wide Receiver 63 but this last week the Bears had easy work. They ran the ball like 700 times. They didn't need to throw it that much. They were in the lead this game against Baltimore and I'm hoping that Lamar is active. I still think he will be. They need him desperately. There's a 49 and a half point over under in the game. That's awesome. The Ravens are beat up on defense. They're 28th and schedule adjusted fantasy points allowed to wide receivers and they play man coverage 39% of the time, which is the third highest rate in the NFL. Rome is great there. 35% target share, fourth highest in the NFL at that coverage. I think this is a perfect matchup for Roma Dunes. If I've got him and I'm questioning they need weeks in a row, I absolutely plug him in.
Jason Moore
I'm stacking my Denver Bo Nicks. I'm going with Cortland Sutton and I really just want to highlight like it has not been this. The floor has been low, but the ceiling has been pretty good here for Cortland Sutton, one of four wide receivers this year with five or more weeks of 13 or more fantasy points. You're, you know, JSN, Puka, Amon RA, Cortland Sutton and the you obviously those guys are plug and play. Sutton may not be there yet, but in the right matchups, you put him in and you take that ceiling.
Andy Holloway
Well, I am confident he'll be back out there and I want to highlight how good he's been. Chris Olave against Tampa Bay, two touchdowns last week. Only Jamar Chase has more targets than Chris Olave on the season. Only Pickens and Devonte Adams have more end zone targets, which seems hard to believe. Like it's been a functional offense for New Orleans at times and so you have to throw on the Buccaneers. That's, that's going to be the game plan. Camara's been banged up. They Just lost Kendra Miller. They're 24th in yards per attempt allowed. The Buccaneers. That's how you beat them. Monitor the injury. That was a surprise yesterday. But the fact that Nick Underhill, the most trusted beat writer in New Orleans, instantly said he's expected to play on Sunday. I'm going to keep him in there for today.
Mike Wright
Yeah. At tight end, this one is depending on David Najoku. But I do not believe Najoku plays this week. And if that's the case, I will be plugging Harold Fannin into my starting lineup. Through seven weeks, he has the fifth most targets and the fourth most receptions among all Titans. You might not realize this because he hasn't been getting in the end zone. Dylan Gabriel isn't good enough to throw touchdowns, but he's on a 17 game pace of 78 for 704 yards. There's literally in the history of the NFL, Bowers, LaPorta and Shockey, Jeremy Shockey going back, those are the guys who have hit 70 and 700. And now you have David Najoku, who is in his own right on pace for 65 and 600, who is probably not going to play. I think Harold Fannin is great. The Patriots are a fine matchup. They don't, they don't like, they're not one of those perfect matchups for a tight end that can't guard them, but they are just average. They don't shut down the tight end position. They've allowed the 8th most receiving yards to tight ends this year. So Harold Fannin, you know, if Najoku's out, definitely start him. And then if he's not out, my start of the week, look, I would, I would double down from what I did last week. The goose of George Kittle. You're still playing George Kittle every week. If he's active, he's in your lineup.
Jason Moore
This is a brutal tight end start of the week layout and schedule for us. Like I said, when you miss one day, you don't always know what's going on. But I had Juwan. I liked him. I liked that the business was back. We had seven targets, five for 79 targeted on 23% of his routes. And then I've been doing a little quick checking. Apparently was in a red context. No contact again yesterday.
Andy Holloway
Do you want to just hop on the back of my start of the week?
Mike Wright
Just go?
Jason Moore
Yeah, please.
Andy Holloway
Want to just join and rock a little? Tucker Kraft against Pittsburgh.
Jason Moore
You know how I feel about Tucker Craft?
Andy Holloway
Yeah, yeah.
Mike Wright
Throwing Kate Otten.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. Yeah.
Mike Wright
Okay.
Andy Holloway
Kate Otten's a great start this week. Sure.
Jason Moore
Kate Otten start of the week.
Andy Holloway
Nice.
Jason Moore
Who's he playing? Who knows?
Mike Wright
New Orleans.
Andy Holloway
I think it's I think it's best to like Juwon Johnson is unfortunately entirely capable of giving you a great week at any moment, but also entirely capable of being historical Juwan Johnson.
Jason Moore
So this week is solid.
Andy Holloway
But if he's not.
Jason Moore
But if, obviously if he can't play, then he's not.
Andy Holloway
No, he'll score less if he doesn't play. Tucker Craft against Pittsburgh. He has been a beast Yards after the catch again two years in a row. Steelers giving up the fifth most to the tight end position and it is the other side of the Jordan Love start of the week. So that will conclude, I think all of our starts of the week. Unless somebody got hurt.
Jason Moore
We'll find some in a matter of.
Andy Holloway
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Andy Holloway
Well, the Bills and Ravens come back from the bye week. The Cardinals.
Jason Moore
Half the NFL goes onto the bye week.
Andy Holloway
Jaguars, Lions, Raiders, Rams, Seahawks, all taking the week off.
Mike Wright
How happy are you that the Cardinals are Off this week.
Andy Holloway
It's a relief.
Mike Wright
I just love the fact that on Sunday I don't have to watch.
Andy Holloway
No, it's. It's good. It's nice. They should take more by weeks, honestly. I think Al said the other day when we were talking about it moving to 18 games and then maybe two buys. Why can't we just. Can we just take a week off of football?
Mike Wright
Like the whole league, like the machine.
Jason Moore
The money printing machine. Take a week off.
Mike Wright
They don't turn money printers off.
Jason Moore
Right.
Mike Wright
The reason they're going to 18 weeks is for more money.
Jason Moore
It is not for player safety.
Mike Wright
No.
Jason Moore
It's not for quality of life for these guys. It is so they can make more money.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, they probably won't do that, huh?
Mike Wright
No.
Andy Holloway
Miami one in six. The Falcons, they'll do like an in.
Jason Moore
They'll go NBA, there'll be an in season tournament.
Mike Wright
What a stupid.
Andy Holloway
Well, that's, that's where I was going to actually. I was going to joke about those like Pro bowl games moving to like that week. But then it's like that's not a bye week for players if they have to do stuff. So. Yeah, they won't turn it off. All right. Miami one in six taking on the three and three Atlanta Falcons where they're cozy in their nest at home. The Vegas line. Atlanta minus bird joke. It was a bird joke. Yeah, it was. It was a bird bird nest joke. Right. Atlanta minus seven and a half. The over, unders 44 and a half. The end for Mike McDaniel is. It's coming. It's coming.
Jason Moore
I thought it was supposed to be last week.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I mean it's about time. It's about timing now.
Jason Moore
Okay, so we'll see. I don't know why my voice just cracked.
Mike Wright
You're going to find hair.
Jason Moore
Well, yeah. There's a time in your life going to be a lot of changes.
Andy Holloway
There's a comedian whose voice does that constantly and it's really funny. It's like all his rants are like a prepubescent boy rants. The second week in a row, lefty, lefty. Michael Pinnicks Jr. To a turned the ball over match. And we just talked about it. The Falcons have just been so much better at home. At home, Michael Penix Jr. Is averaging 287 passing yards. Yeah, they are three and three. I'm guessing they had three games at home. They have had trouble on the road. Yeah, Kyle's confirming that is the case. You know, Mike McDaniel was the offensive assistant over they did lose Atlanta.
Jason Moore
They did lose week one at home and then one on the road against Minnesota.
Mike Wright
They lost by three points at home to the Tampa Bay buccaneers in Week 1 in A. In a close game where their defense still looked very, very good. But at home they beat the Commanders, they beat the Buffalo Bills. They look outstanding. And then on the road they got shellacked by the Vikings, they got shut out by the Panthers and then pretty.
Jason Moore
Much owned by the Niners. The Vikings.
Mike Wright
Oh, that's right. That's right. They won that game. The opposite.
Jason Moore
It's a hot Thursday.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Jason Moore
So 22 to 6 that at symbol.
Andy Holloway
So for. Hey, by the way, we didn't misread the at symbol. We just.
Mike Wright
We read it.
Andy Holloway
Read the one put in the doc. That's what we did. And then we talked about it way too much. What did you think of Darnell Mooney last week?
Mike Wright
I was very upset by him because.
Jason Moore
He was three for 68.
Mike Wright
No, no, no.
Andy Holloway
I thought he looked really good.
Mike Wright
That was what was upsetting Drake London.
Jason Moore
Which hurts Drake.
Mike Wright
Yes. That Drake London is who this offense needs to run through. He has obviously put up some outstanding weeks recently. You know, two weeks ago, 16 targets, 10 for 158. Mooney was back.
Jason Moore
He still had 28% of the targets. It just.
Mike Wright
Yeah. Just didn't work. It didn't work out as well. He had somewhere else to go to be frank. Mooney should have been a talked about more on the waiver wire show. He's a valuable wide receiver that will get work when he's active in the right matchups. This one might not be the perfect matchup because I don't think the Dolphins offense is going to do much. They're. They're beat up, they're banged up. And the Falcons defense at home has been great. They're number two against quarterback. So I don't think two is going to put up a bunch of points. In which case great bijon game. Less passing for the Falcons is my expectation.
Andy Holloway
Beat up is. Is more severe than banged up. Like on the scale.
Mike Wright
Yeah, for sure. If you're banged up, you got a hurt toe. If you're beat up, you're bruised and battered. Yeah. You're in a walking boot.
Jason Moore
Okay. That's booted up.
Andy Holloway
Right. Which Bryce Young was not booted up this year. Did you see that? But I did didn't practice play B John still play Drake London. Kyle Pitts on pace for 85 receptions. He is certainly fine on a 16 by week.
Jason Moore
Yeah. This week it's okay.
Andy Holloway
Tua. I mean, this offense. Where are you with Waddle right now? I mean, I feel like, you know, you came out after the injury. He was the wide receiver 4, I believe, and then the wide receiver 17. And then last week it was just kind of, you know, it's Cleveland. It was on the road and it was a disaster from the jump. I feel like Waddle, bad weather. I feel like you don't want to. Yeah, bad weather. I don't. I feel like you don't want to overreact to. Look, you got to play four quarters of football and Jalen Waddle's their best wide receiver.
Mike Wright
Yeah, Waddle's a great play. My only worry with him was injury because, you know, he. He left that game. There was reports that he was injured. Looking at the Week 8 injury report from the Dolphins, he is not. You know, he wasn't even listed on the Wednesday. So he seems fully healthy and good to go.
Jason Moore
Well, let's see. I'm seeing a tweet here from Omar Kelly.
Andy Holloway
Oh, yeah, he's. He's one of the best.
Jason Moore
And he says this is six minutes ago. Jalen Waddle didn't work with the wide receivers while the offense was out there. Today he was doing a rehab assignment, which means he's battling an injury. Yeah, that was six minutes ago.
Andy Holloway
Wow.
Mike Wright
He was not on their injury report yesterday. So that's. That's wild.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. That's about Waddle for you. Devon HN is one of three players in the NFL this year with 400 plus rushing yards, 200 plus receiving yards. CMC Bijan HN. He's a machine.
Jason Moore
Yeah, he's been awesome.
Andy Holloway
And you know that you don't mess around with anybody else. Darren Waller went to IR and tua. You know, I could. I'd start nobody over two, which would get me two and a half more fantasy points than he scored last week.
Mike Wright
Wait, did to a really have negative two and a half?
Andy Holloway
That is correct. That is correct.
Mike Wright
Wow.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. To a head in our league. Negative 2.9. He was 12 for 100 with three interceptions. He also fumbled the ball three times.
Jason Moore
Yeah, it's pretty amazing.
Andy Holloway
That's hard to do.
Jason Moore
And yet through all that, Achan still managed to score over 11 points against.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Jason Moore
Against Cleveland. So he's. He's still. He's matchup.
Mike Wright
It's pretty. Yeah. I mean, Achan is. Is a great play. Waddle TBD on the injury, I guess. And then that's it for the Falcons or for the. For the Dolphins. The Falcons defense right now if you adjust for schedule, they are number one against tight ends, number two against running backs, number three against quarterbacks, number four against Wide receivers are one of the most difficult matchups in fantasy.
Andy Holloway
The New York jets are oh and seven. They get to take on the Cincinnati Bengals. The resurgent Bengals Vegas line Cincinnati minus six and a half at home over unders 44 and a half. Here comes our hero, Joe Flacco. Jamar Ch. I mean, T. Higgins was the name we brought up on the second half sleeper list yesterday. You know, Sauce Gardner's not even playing in this game. Most likely dealing with a concussion. If he plays, you know, it doesn't really change how I'm starting and sitting these guys the way that the jets defense has played this year. You know, Joe Flacco is a streaming candidate. 45 plus pass attempts in both of his starts. It's like the numbers are really profound and we were trying not to knee jerk reaction this and say it was just going to become, you know, so much better with Joe Flacco, who struggled immensely in Cleveland. Like Flacco wasn't doing anything in Cleveland to provide fantasy value for anybody. But so far, Jamar, Chase and T. Higgins each have two times as many receptions per game and receiving yards per game with Flacco than Browning.
Jason Moore
It reminds me more of the, what was it, two years ago, Joe Flacco experience, where he was on the Browns, where he was surrounded by a good team like that, that offense. It wasn't just Joe Flacco. It was, he had, he had, you know, Amari Cooper was, was not washed out yet. So that, that's where I'm like, oh man, it sure seems like this is something that we're going to want to buy into.
Andy Holloway
It does occasionally wear off.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
When stuff like this happens. But I mean, literally, that's like getting eight quarters of Chase and Higgins with Browning for the production that Flacco is giving them on the other side, I mean, you already talked about Chase Brown at length. So to conclude the Cincinnati side and you play both wide receivers and it's pretty, pretty easy on that side, but on, on the jet side, it's just.
Jason Moore
A complete poof, man.
Andy Holloway
Travesty. I mean, yeah, they're trying to keep a competitive advantage. Mike, you've got the new what the.
Jason Moore
Budget magician, Aaron Glenn, my guy, I'm trying.
Mike Wright
He literally came out and said it was an advantage.
Jason Moore
Like, I want to like Aaron Glenn. I really like the dance of just. I know they ended up losing that game, but it was like the passion I just. I love it. He's with his guys and it has been a disaster. And then you go to one of. One of my most hated situations in football. The. Oh, we have a competitive advantage. We don't know if it's oh, oh, guys. Is it Justin Fields or Tyrod Taylor? The Bengals don't care.
Andy Holloway
I kind of get it.
Mike Wright
I would get it if they were different styles of play.
Andy Holloway
They are very different styles of play. Tyrod and Justin Fields, massively different styles of play.
Jason Moore
There is one.
Andy Holloway
Justin Fields is a genuine threat in the running game. Tyrod Taylor is a pocket passer. So to me, those are.
Jason Moore
Taylor doesn't run as much as Fields. Just they both. One of them is like compost garbage and then the other one is just the garbage you can't put in.
Mike Wright
Which one is in the compost?
Jason Moore
I don't know.
Mike Wright
It doesn't matter.
Andy Holloway
They're both.
Jason Moore
They both stink.
Andy Holloway
There you go. So it's probably going to be to Rod Taylor this week. Breeze hall was limited on Wednesday with the knee injury. Breeze hall is.
Jason Moore
He's the only guy you can play.
Andy Holloway
You can play him, but it's not with a lot of joy.
Mike Wright
I think. I know that it's going to be very difficult off of a bust week, but I actually think Mason Taylor is Meowson Taylor. Last week he had a good matchup against Carolina. They're 29th against tight ends and it didn't work out. He was like three for 30 something. It was unfortunate. Justin Fields played as bad as you can play. I believe to Rod Taylor will be the starter this week. We don't know. But regardless, Mason Taylor is needed. The Cincinnati Bengals are the worst of the worst. They are the. They are the matchup where you target tight ends always. And the fact that he is so needed here. I think Mason Taylor.
Andy Holloway
I don't think that's wrong. I think that's right and I think this is.
Jason Moore
I get it. But I will remind you, you laid it out. Taylor meow had a good matchup last week. Fields was terrible. Taylor played 54% of the snaps last week for the Jets.
Andy Holloway
Like, no, that's not true. That's not 93%. Yeah, 93% of snaps. I think you must be looking at a wrong number. Okay, I've got 93% for.
Jason Moore
No. Oh, no, no, no.
Andy Holloway
You're saying quarterback, not Mason. I thought you're saying, oh, no, no, no.
Jason Moore
Mason played the whole game. I'm saying.
Andy Holloway
You're saying he had a game.
Jason Moore
Fields was terrible and we want to Put all the blame on Fields. Taylor played half the game at quarterback and Taylor was still the other Taylor. There's too many Taylor's.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I Bet Mason Taylor's 3 for 31 came in that half, though. It did.
Andy Holloway
It did. He was shut out. No, I.
Mike Wright
And Garrett Wilson and that's a fine play.
Andy Holloway
Are you playing Garrett Wilson? If he's active, yeah.
Jason Moore
If he's active, he's too good of a player.
Mike Wright
Especially in this matchup against.
Andy Holloway
Would you play a ronde Gadson tonight or would you play Mason Taylor?
Jason Moore
I would play Gadson. Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I think I would too.
Mike Wright
I would. I'm going to chase the dragon. I'm really hopeful for Gadson.
Andy Holloway
Well, and you don't have to watch the Jets.
Mike Wright
That is such an advantage.
Andy Holloway
Cleveland's 2 and 5. They take on the New England Patriots, who are 5 and 2. The Vegas line is New England minus 7. The over under is 40 and a half. I was doing a live stream last night and somebody was like, why is Mike Vrabel so stupid? I said. And I said he's not.
Jason Moore
He's not.
Andy Holloway
He's not stupid. I said it would be a discussion.
Jason Moore
He is stubborn, though.
Andy Holloway
He's. He can. I mean, is it stubbornness or is it good coaching when you're 5 and 10? Coaching when you're 5 and 2. And if you're 2 and 5, we can have the discussion about the coaching. Totally fine. You know, if you have a bad running game and you're 2 and 5, you're making a mistake. If you're 5 and 2 and it's working, you're not. So get over it.
Jason Moore
It's just get over it.
Andy Holloway
Travion is not going to be the dude right now. If an injury happens, maybe he's the dude. If Ramon Dre fumbles six more times in a game, maybe he's the dude for a little bit.
Mike Wright
If whatever they're waiting for in practice starts happening and they give him the ball more, he'll. He will be there when he should be there. Vrabel is a great coach. Whatever's going on behind the scenes is not. Trayvon is not ready yet. If I'm in a dynasty league. I talked about this on the dynasty show that came out yesterday. I'm. I'm taking my second round pick for next year and I'm offering them to every league for Travion. Henderson is a. Is a good player who's on what will now be a good team going forward. Is not his time yet.
Andy Holloway
No. And if he had Been drafted by the Bears with the next pick. It might have been his time.
Mike Wright
Oh, man, that world would have been glorious.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. Yeah. So the Vegas line, New England minus seven at home over under 40 and a half in this one. It is Cleveland and Dylan Gabriel trying to get through the New England Patriots. That'll be hard. I mean, the Cleveland defense was unbelievable last week. I don't feel like we really.
Mike Wright
All season we.
Andy Holloway
I don't feel like we really said much about them. Like, it was all the storyline was how bad Tua was. Right. And it's like, oh, Dylan Gabriel doesn't throw the ball down the field. They demolished the Dolphins.
Mike Wright
It was 31 to 6.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, it was. They were one of the highest scoring fantasy football defenses. It's not going to be easy for New England to score in this game.
Jason Moore
I agree.
Andy Holloway
They will win. I think they will win, but it's not going to be, you know, I don't think it's one of those. Fire up all of your Patriots with excitement.
Mike Wright
I don't know who. I don't know.
Jason Moore
Your boy Drake May.
Mike Wright
No.
Andy Holloway
Oh, my boys. Ramondre.
Jason Moore
Yeah, you know, you too, your boys. You two love Ramondre.
Mike Wright
No, no, no, no, no, no. Why are you loping me in with the Indy?
Jason Moore
No, it's too late.
Mike Wright
I see the.
Jason Moore
We drew a line in the sand. The Hendo people said if you're not with us, you're on Ramondre side.
Mike Wright
There is a huge fence, Mike. This is the great wall of China that I'm standing. I'm standing on the great wall of China, Ramon. Dre is over there. Henderson's over there. I am straight up on that fence and it's a big one.
Andy Holloway
Well, it was easy last week playing Andy's guy, Ramon. I mean, look, he had 18. 18 opportunities last week, sure. Or 20 opportunities, 18 carries against the Tennessee Titans. You're not going to.
Mike Wright
The Browns are the number one schedule adjusted defense against running backs. I am looking to not play Ramondre.
Andy Holloway
I don't think you get a choice this week. It's probably perfect. It's perfect for Ramandre. You will. You don't want to play him. But if you're going to get 75% of running back snaps for an at home team that's a seven and a half point favorite.
Mike Wright
Heck yes.
Andy Holloway
You play that.
Mike Wright
Would you play Ramondre or Aaron Jones if he's active tonight?
Andy Holloway
Ramondre, I think.
Jason Moore
What about.
Andy Holloway
Oh, you're going Aaron Jones.
Jason Moore
I would go command like Woody Marks against San Francisco. Who took over the opportunity?
Mike Wright
I Would not.
Andy Holloway
I'm playing Ramandre.
Jason Moore
You know, he was 14 opportunities two weeks ago for 1.8 fantasy.
Andy Holloway
Oh, I know it. I know it. Absolutely. And it was against New Orleans. They haven't been home in three weeks.
Jason Moore
But he's the equivalent of the Cleveland targets is like his opportunities. You got to just cut him 50% and that's what you should expect.
Mike Wright
And then you go, wow, he was inefficient.
Andy Holloway
I don't care about if the fantasy points put him in the top 20 like they've done for two of the last three weeks. I don't care how he does it. Yeah, if it's, if it's a falling into the end zone, if it's a screen pass, that works out. I just don't. I don't understand what team you have out there in the world where you can bench a starting running back at home as seven and a half point favorites and play a flyer.
Jason Moore
I'll play an empty spot.
Andy Holloway
Well, I know you will. Although you just said you play him over Aaron Jones. I don't know what's happening. I do think, you know, Booty's been good. He's. There's just. I feel better about him making a big play than I do about accumulation via Stefan Diggs in this game, but I don't know if that's the right thought. So you tell me.
Jason Moore
The Booty has been very efficient. Last week it was. He had 55 yards.
Andy Holloway
I mean, hey, on two catches and.
Jason Moore
Not just two catch is two targets.
Andy Holloway
You know, a touchdown. The.
Jason Moore
The two weeks ago, five targets. That's his. That's the second most targets he's seen all year.
Andy Holloway
So do you. Are you out on the wide receiver?
Jason Moore
I think I prefer. I prefer to be out.
Mike Wright
If I had to start one, it would still be Diggs. Diggs has had seven or more targets in three of the last four games. I think he's the one. Personally, I would like to bench my Patriots in this matchup. I do. You know, I really like that they are at home. That will be helpful. But the Browns, the Browns defense is legitimately scary.
Jason Moore
Matthew golden against Pittsburgh or a Patriot wide receiver?
Andy Holloway
Golden.
Jason Moore
Golden.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. That's a good question. By the way, Drake May right now is 116.4 pass rating, which would be the highest ever he has been by a quarterback under 24.
Mike Wright
So on the, on the Dynasty show, I did, I did my film review of Drake May and I don't think I've seen better film. Like, there's not no way he could do better than what he did on every single play.
Jason Moore
Not true.
Andy Holloway
He completed 12 of his last 13 passes of 20 plus yards. It means he missed one.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Could have done that better.
Mike Wright
Wasn't his fault.
Andy Holloway
Probably not.
Mike Wright
If you want to play Drake May, whatever, do it. He's going to. He's going to run the ball. You know he had 62 rushing yards last year.
Andy Holloway
Michael Pinnock's at home. Drake May.
Jason Moore
Drake May.
Mike Wright
I would go Drake May.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. How do you go away from that? Yeah, Their implied point total is 23.8.
Jason Moore
I get the matchup. Drake May is Drake Mays just in.
Andy Holloway
Play him forever.
Jason Moore
Yeah. He's plug and play.
Andy Holloway
Judkins in, log out. Judkins and fan and log out.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Jason Moore
Yep.
Mike Wright
If Najoku is not going, obviously Fanon pretty good matchup.
Andy Holloway
And if Najoku's back, you're off of Fannin.
Mike Wright
Yeah. If Najoku's back, they split too much. I mean, you've got two tight ends on pace for over 60 receptions at over 600 yards. That's incredible for a tight end on a team. But if they're both doing that, then neither is special.
Andy Holloway
Okay, we'll take a break and get into the next the second Giants Philly matchup.
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Jason Moore
So with no Jalen Carter.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, yeah.
Mike Wright
It's not going to be Vic Fangio, their defensive coordinator. Talk about lessons learned on Jackson Dart.
Andy Holloway
I did not.
Mike Wright
He came out and he was in the press conference. He basically said every quarterback needy team in the league has to be kicking themselves right now that they didn't take Jackson Dart. He is a believer.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. Okay. I mean I think I am too. You're going to have rookie mistakes no matter how well you, you know, you play. I would say that what you basically put Jackson Dart into a situation in New York that is not an advantageous one. Not a ton of weapons that are like proven. He's having to piece it together with, you know, Wanda Robinson and Lil Jordan Humphrey and he's still getting it done.
Mike Wright
It's because of his. The dude is running. He is averaging 8.3 fantasy points. Not, not rush attempts. 8.3 fantasy points from the rushing work. That is for context here. Josh Allen in his careers averaging 6.8. Lamar 7.2. Jalen Hertz 8.2 and that includes all of his tush push touchdowns.
Andy Holloway
He's going to get hurt, isn't he?
Mike Wright
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Jackson Dart can't play 17 games this way. No human can other than Camp Scatterboot.
Jason Moore
The I know everything worked out for fantasy last week against the Denver Broncos just with, I mean how drunk that game got but at least needs to be pointed out, you know, on the road against a very good defense. He completed 46% of his passes and he ran five times for 11 yards. 2.2. Which we, we talked about it. You quarterbacks can't really run on Denver. But it's the, the question of okay, you're facing an elite defense on the road and you're completing less than half of your passes. You just wonder did, did something get seen on tape?
Andy Holloway
Jason, you were, you helped the foot clan out in a big way. Two Weeks ago with Cam Scatter Boo and the confidence play against Philly, I think at the time, we didn't know Jalen Carter was even going to miss that game.
Mike Wright
Right.
Andy Holloway
Cam Scatter Boo on the road here, you're not moving away from top 24 guys six straight weeks, are you?
Mike Wright
There's no chance that you have a roster that you can bench Cam Scatter Boo on any week.
Jason Moore
Hide your crayons.
Mike Wright
Hide your crayons. He's going to eat them all. Or ship your crayons to New Jersey so that he can eat them all. Or I guess they're in Philly this week, so. But yeah, Cam Scatter Boo way way. They've got crans in Philly, way too involved. The last month, he has not had fewer than 20 opportunities to touch the ball. That's an insane number.
Andy Holloway
So are you done there? Is it. Are you comfortable with Dart? You comfortable with Scatter Boo?
Mike Wright
And then the only other thing in.
Andy Holloway
That, like Wondale versus, like, Alec Pierce, who had the big week?
Mike Wright
No, I don't. I don't think I'm playing Wondale. I am going to be watching Darius Slayton. He is a guy that I'm not starting. I have picked up in a couple of leagues. I hope. Hope he is starting. He was a limited participant with that hamstring injury on Wednesday. If he plays, I'm paying attention. I think he will be good in certain matchups the rest of the season.
Andy Holloway
Okay, Mike, you agree with that? Nobody. I do. Okay.
Mike Wright
Real questions. Dallas Goddard. He's so funny.
Andy Holloway
I saw Goddard or Gadsden and it was like I basically just said, look, I'm a sucker. I'm gonna. I'm gonna follow the athleticism of Gadsden.
Mike Wright
And see if we can no one.
Andy Holloway
Cash in on that versus the touchdown luck of Goddard.
Mike Wright
No one believed in Dallas Goddard for the first six weeks of the NFL season while he was the tight end one. And then everyone's like, all right, I guess we got it. I guess we gotta believe. And then he goes out there and scores three fantasy points. Gotcha. Yeah. He's only gonna do whatever you don't want. Just cut him.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. I mean, you might not have a choice. This week it is. He's a weird tight end. I mean, he's played enough football to know that you get Goddard games from time to time. Would you play him or Pitts at home?
Mike Wright
Pitts at home.
Andy Holloway
Okay. Devonte Smith. A.J. brown had huge weeks last week. A.J. brown monitor the hamstring injury, probably not serious, but also these Guys have been banged up, both of them, over the course of the, you know, before the season. Saquon Barkley, we've had lots of discussions here. He's the RB17 on the season. He has not broken a 20 plus yard run, which is pretty wild considering how, I mean he had 1115 plus yard touchdown runs last year when you include the playoffs. He didn't do that one time the year before in New York and he hasn't done it one time in 2025 and he had 11 last year. It was the only, it was one of the few points that you could say in the off season when we were like, well, you like Saquon early in the draft, but it's pretty hard, it's pretty hard to score from 20 plus yards away all the time. Hasn't happened. Does it start happening? You guys do not look like gentlemen that have strong answers for this.
Mike Wright
No, I mean, would you trade Cam.
Andy Holloway
Scatter Boo for Saquon Barkley? Because that question I've seen and that one is a real.
Jason Moore
I would keep Barkley.
Andy Holloway
No, no, no. That's the opposite question. If you had Cam Scatter Boo, would you trade for Barkley?
Jason Moore
Oh, would I? Yeah, I think straight up and Jason.
Mike Wright
You said, no, I would rather have Scatter Boo. I believe that your highest game totals will come from Barkley. Barkley's not a bad back. He's going, you know, he's going to have his touchdowns, he's going to have big monstrous games. And I think it will be difficult for Cam Scatter Boo to have monstrous games. He, you know, he already had, you know, a multi touchdown game. That's great. But you just don't think that these Giants are going to regularly do that. But his floor is so, so high. And right now I think Barkley, he's not involved in the passing game, hasn't been for basically two years. And he's been inefficient. I mean you look at like here's some guy who has more yards per carry on the season. Saquon Barkley or Woody Marks? Yards per carry. We just made fun of how the attempts in Houston are. You cut him in half and then Woody Marks is inefficient because he's running for 3.3 a carry. Woody Marks is. That's what that, that's what Saquon's running for right now.
Andy Holloway
I mean, to the Barclays best game this season has been 16 points. Scatter Boo has passed that three times. It's a wild, it's a wild one.
Mike Wright
It is.
Andy Holloway
Didn't think we'd be here, but here we are. Did we. We did not talk Buffalo, Carolina yet. Buffalo 4 and 2. Carolina 4 and 3 games in Carolina, Buffalo minus 7. The over under is 46 and a half. Okay. The Bills, they get a bye week to recover from back to back losses. I don't think that's going to help Carolina very much.
Mike Wright
No. That's why Buffalo's on the road favored by a full touchdown. And you know, this is, this is a good get right game. You're not going to have a letdown from Buffalo because they're coming off of two losses in a row where they're taking Carolina easy. They're going in there to, you know, lay a beating down.
Andy Holloway
And you think that will happen?
Mike Wright
I do think that will happen.
Andy Holloway
He has never, Josh Allen lost three consecutive regular season games in his career.
Mike Wright
That's crazy to, considering his first two years. He was terrible.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. Carolina's defense has been much improved. That's been one of the reasons they're above.500 right now. Last year it was the number one target or up there, as you know, the top target in the league. This year, number six against the run, number nine against the wide receiver position. We spent the first few weeks of the season talking about how good James Cook had been. It's slowed down a little bit for him, but do you expect him to get back on track couple of softer weeks after top 10 performances in fourth straight?
Mike Wright
Yeah, it's a, it's a good game script. The Panthers rush defense has looked much, much, much better than last year. So I don't look at them as like a pushover, but I, it still matters whether you win or lose a game. You know, James Cook has lost two games in a row and it's, it's been tougher sledding. If you end up what, doing what, you know, Vegas thinks, which is winning by a touchdown, you're going to have a lot more carries, opportunities in the game. So he's in. And then in the passing game for the Buffalo Bills, it's really hard to determine like oh, it will Keon Coleman get a touchdown. Will, you know, Josh Palmer have the ball? To me it's Dalton Kincaid. This is like the Panthers. Yeah, I mean we don't know for sure 100% that he'll start, but it seems like he will start. I believe he will and if he is, I'm playing him. Honestly, if Dalton Kincaid does not go, I think Dawson Knox sure is probably a better stream off of waivers than all of your, like, middling, kind of crappy tight end options because the Panthers, that's. That's where their defense gets beat.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, that could be. That could be a really scary one, I think, because I don't know what the targets. I don't know if you get more than two shots.
Mike Wright
You guys, I don't know if you realize this. This is big news. Huge news. Based on the last two years. Did you know this coming week is national tight end like, oh, it's week. It's this week.
Jason Moore
Okay.
Mike Wright
The last two years.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Mike Wright
On the. On the net. Like, I literally made a slack notification for myself last year because on national tight end week, it was like every single team knew it and they threw touchdowns at tight ends. It was crazy.
Jason Moore
Where did this even come from?
Mike Wright
I don't know.
Jason Moore
Did George Kittle start this?
Mike Wright
I have no idea.
Andy Holloway
Football managers.
Mike Wright
There's no national wide receiver week and running back, and there's just, like, the forgotten tight ends. But this is the week, so I.
Andy Holloway
Think we think we got lucky.
Mike Wright
So we got lucky.
Jason Moore
What you mean this day that we just made up. You're saying it's not correlated?
Andy Holloway
I'm saying it might not be. Carolina is probably going to have Andy Dalton as their starter this week. We don't know for sure. There's a DMP for Bryce Young on Wednesday.
Jason Moore
I really find big running back questions here.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I mean, I think it's.
Jason Moore
Buffalo's a run funnel.
Andy Holloway
They are. It's going to be a split.
Mike Wright
If you have to start one, you would start Dowdle because he's been awesome.
Andy Holloway
That's what you would do?
Mike Wright
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I. I don't think that's.
Andy Holloway
What I would do.
Mike Wright
You would start Hubbard over Dowdle based on the opportunities?
Andy Holloway
Yeah. I think if you had. If you had Chuba and you signed out and played him while he was hurt, and you have both and you got to start one. I would play Chuba myself, but I. Again, that's what makes it a difficult question. Like Mike said.
Mike Wright
Yeah, for sure.
Andy Holloway
Making. You're. You're just.
Mike Wright
I mean, if you've got one of those two guys or you've got Vidal Sassoon in tonight's game, I probably go, Vidal.
Jason Moore
I'd play Sassoon, man.
Andy Holloway
I just don't like Vidal this week.
Mike Wright
Really?
Andy Holloway
I got a bad feeling about it. He had the one big week. Obviously, it was impressive.
Mike Wright
I sucked last week with maybe.
Andy Holloway
Maybe enough volume. Maybe just enough volume.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
But I also like Minnesota to win the game, and I feel like Their defense is.
Jason Moore
Well, that's even better for Vidal. I mean, I think he's had nine combined targets the past two weeks.
Andy Holloway
Okay, so you'd take the solo work of the Dow.
Jason Moore
I think I would.
Andy Holloway
I could see that if I'm playing.
Jason Moore
One of the two, I'm playing Rico. I just think he's a better player and it could be just a circumstance of it just hasn't hit yet. But Chuba does not have a carry inside the five yet.
Andy Holloway
Yep.
Jason Moore
And I know he's been hurt, but he also. He also was the main starting running back for those first few weeks.
Andy Holloway
Try to guess Ted McMillan's fantasy positioning on the season. We're seven weeks in on the season. On the season. Ted McMillan is the wide receiver.
Mike Wright
Doesn't have a lot of. He's got one touchdown, like 26. That's a. Oh, does he have two? Yeah, he got the two in the same game. One game with the touchdown. I'm going to. I'm going to go right there. I like. I'll go 25.
Jason Moore
Okay.
Andy Holloway
Should have gone the other way. 27. 27. But I would. I would say that you have not. We still haven't had that game that you're like, yeah, he's arrived. There's not been a. He's arrived.
Jason Moore
Forced. Feed him the ball. He is a dog.
Mike Wright
There is a. There's a quarterback change, presumably this week. And when Andy Dalton came in last week, he targeted Xavier Leggett quite a bit. Seven of Xavier Leggett's 10 targets were from Andy Dalton in limited time.
Andy Holloway
What was that all about?
Mike Wright
I don't know. However, my point is we're waiting.
Andy Holloway
I don't know how.
Mike Wright
What are you doing?
Andy Holloway
How prescriptive can that be?
Mike Wright
It's not prescriptive. What? I think Ted McMillan is waiting for this breakout game and all of a sudden he's going to have a quarterback coming in who is practicing this week as the starter. Working with tet tets. That's going to eat this week. He's going to be a great start. He's my start of the week.
Andy Holloway
What?
Mike Wright
Yeah, I'm adding him start of the week.
Andy Holloway
You're that confident in him? Do you think he'll get up over that 33 yard mark he's been hitting?
Mike Wright
I believe he will get over over 35 yards.
Andy Holloway
He still frightens me. I don't know. I don't know why it hasn't happened yet.
Jason Moore
I get it. It's Carolina. What are you doing?
Andy Holloway
Alec Pierce or Ted McMillan? Like that question Is a really good question.
Mike Wright
It's a real question. Alec Pierce has been good. Gets targets. Gets targets from a quarterback that can get his wide receiver the ball. I would definitely go tet there.
Andy Holloway
Okay. All right, I will. I'll make you a water bet on that one.
Jason Moore
All right.
Mike Wright
I will accept water bet. 35 yards.
Andy Holloway
No, that's not the best. Not 35. It was Alec Pierce versus Ted McMillan. You don't get to name it afterwards. Goodness. Couple updates for you. No sign of Garrett Wilson at practice for the Jets.
Jason Moore
What was all this? But this is chance of playing.
Andy Holloway
This is more exciting. Terry McClure and Debo Samuel both practicing today or they're both going to practice today.
Mike Wright
That would make you.
Jason Moore
Yeah, that would help to Mario's Mariota.
Mike Wright
I.
Andy Holloway
You know, I want to say yes, but I am not excited to play the Chiefs in Kansas City. I feel like you're going. The game script for that will be yes, you're happy those guys are back. But how many first downs does Washington.
Mike Wright
Mario. Mariota will run for 45 yards.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I'm. I. I signed Mariota to play in place of Daniels and I'm going to pivot even with who? Michael Pennix.
Mike Wright
Okay.
Andy Holloway
All right. In our very thin waiver wire bet.
Jason Moore
You wish you would have paid 10 plus dollars for Joe Flacco.
Andy Holloway
If I had the fam, I would have. Thursday. Texans. No. Nico. No. Christian Kirk. Still cream hunt. Not practicing on Thursday for the Kansas City game. Burchard Smith, we talked about him on the waiver show. More opportunity coming his way. And that was fantasy forecast presented by Prize Picks. Join millions of users and sign up for America's number one fantasy sports app. Use the code footballers and get $50 in lineups when you play. Five dollars. We'll have our fantasy face off tomorrow where one of us will spin the wheel of shame.
Mike Wright
I don't even remember that wheel.
Jason Moore
I am.
Andy Holloway
That's the way you make sure you spin it.
Jason Moore
Soon.
Andy Holloway
It's those type of things.
Mike Wright
Not scared, but I'm playing against whatever.
Jason Moore
The opposite of a heater is. Freezer.
Mike Wright
Yeah. You're in a freezer.
Andy Holloway
I.
Jason Moore
Yes. My body is barely active.
Mike Wright
Your heart rate is low.
Andy Holloway
Every Friday, Mike is hyperventilating from some sort of mask he is wearing.
Jason Moore
Just.
Andy Holloway
Just.
Mike Wright
We gotta bring one more catch.
Andy Holloway
Instead of the mask of victory.
Mike Wright
We gotta bring the mummy back. If you lose.
Andy Holloway
If you like, do we wrap him live?
Mike Wright
Yeah, well, yeah. I mean, Josh. We let Josh wrap him.
Jason Moore
He did that.
Mike Wright
Oh, man.
Jason Moore
Man.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Jason Moore
You don't remember when then I had to go to the doctor cuz broke my nose.
Andy Holloway
No, you did not have to go to the doctor.
Mike Wright
Gracious, but that was. That was brutal. That was the worst one ever. And it shouldn't have been. It was just because Josh was a jerk.
Andy Holloway
Oh, he like smashed your nose.
Mike Wright
His nose was on his cheek.
Andy Holloway
We'll catch you tomorrow, Foot Clan.
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Date: October 23, 2025
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
This episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast is all about helping listeners navigate the tough Week 8 fantasy football landscape, especially with six teams on bye. Andy, Jason, and Mike deliver their signature blend of sharp analysis and humor, focusing on must-start players, key injury updates, and tricky lineup decisions. They highlight their “Starts of the Week” for every position, discuss breakout candidates, and break down crucial matchups, while always emphasizing actionable advice.
Notable quote:
"No quarterback in the history of the NFL has ever rushed for 450 yards while throwing for 4,632 touchdowns. So whether that happens or not, that's just what he's doing already." — Jason Moore on Justin Herbert (13:24)
On Thursday QB Starts:
“I'm going to do something I don't usually do. I don't love doing starts of the week on Thursday Night Football…But Justin Herbert, I think, is a great play this week.” — Jason, 13:24
On Cam Scataboo:
“There's no chance that you have a roster that you can bench Cam Scataboo on any week.” — Mike, 51:30
On Barkley vs. Scataboo:
“Scatter Boo has passed 16 fantasy points three times this season. Saquon's BEST game is 16.” — Andy, 55:54
Fantasy despair with Jets:
“On the Jet side, it's just a complete poof, man. Travesty.” — Andy, 36:50
On National Tight End Week:
“Did you know this coming week is National Tight End…like, oh, it's week. It's this week.” — Mike, 59:06
| Timestamp | Segment | |------------|-----------------------------------------------------| | 04:41 | News & Notes (injury updates, key practice reports) | | 12:50 | Starts of the Week by position | | 27:27 | Fantasy Forecast (beginning of weekly matchups) | | 28:28 | Miami vs. Atlanta breakdown | | 34:55 | Jets vs. Bengals breakdown | | 40:18 | Browns vs. Patriots breakdown | | 48:09 | Giants vs. Eagles breakdown | | 56:03 | Bills vs. Panthers breakdown | | 62:44 | Mike's surprise “start of the week”: Ted McMillan |
If you're scrambling to fill holes due to six byes, these are the confidence plays and waiver options the Ballers recommend. Quarterback streamers are more vital than ever—don't be afraid to start Justin Herbert or Jordan Love in great matchups, even after duds. Running backs like Cam Scataboo and Jordan Mason are almost set-and-forget, while understudies like Chase Brown and Ted McMillan can be week-winners in deeper formats. Emphasis is on monitoring late-week injuries (Olave, Waddle, Christian Kirk) and streaming tight ends in juicy spots (National Tight End Week!).
"The only thing worse than a bad start, is not starting at all. So set your lineups with confidence, and remember—traditions matter…but winning matters more."