Stash or Trash + Post Draft Panic

Summary

Podcast Summary: Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast Episode: Stash or Trash + Post Draft Panic
Release Date: August 30, 2019

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright delve into the critical post-draft period for fantasy football enthusiasts. Titled "Stash or Trash + Post Draft Panic," the episode provides listeners with expert analysis on player selections, waiver strategies, and managing draft anxieties as the NFL season approaches.

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Post Draft Panic: Managing Early Concerns (04:33 - 06:18)

The episode kicks off with a listener voicemail from Alex in New York, who expresses anxiety over his draft picks, questioning whether his team should be considered a "04 roster" (an exceptionally strong team) despite doubts about his selections.

Andy Holloway emphasizes patience:

"Just hold on. You're playing a game that is based off of numbers and probability and it's tough. Everyone gets things wrong in fantasy football. That's just part of the game." [05:10]

Mike Wright adds reassurance, highlighting the long fantasy season and the potential for teams to recover:

"The year is long and a lot of owners will quit... you will just destroy them as the year goes on." [05:34]

The trio encourages listeners to remain calm, monitor their teams through the season's progression, and leverage waiver moves to strengthen their rosters.

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News and Updates: Player Injuries and Team Strategies (06:46 - 13:32)

The hosts continue with the "News and Notes" segment, covering recent developments in the NFL that impact fantasy football decisions:

• Jerry Jones's update on Ezekiel Elliott's holdout with the Dallas Cowboys suggests Elliott may miss several games, prompting advice to secure Tony Pollard as a reliable alternative.
• Julian Edelman's unexpected participation in a preseason game for the New England Patriots raises concerns about his injury status, with Andy Holloway questioning the necessity of risking Edelman's health:

  "It's hard to stash a guy who's... an integral part of the offense." [09:23]

• Josh Gordon's reinstatement and eligibility for Week 1 poses a dilemma between choosing him over alternative receivers like DeSean Jackson.

Additionally, the news segment touches on player movements, injuries, and strategic decisions by teams that could influence fantasy lineups.

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Main Segment: Stash or Trash Analysis (13:42 - 38:07)

The core of the episode revolves around evaluating specific players to determine whether they should be stashed or trashed on fantasy rosters. The hosts dissect players across various positions, considering factors like past performance, injury history, team dynamics, and preseason activities.

Running Backs: Potential Stashes and Risks

• Dion Lewis (Round 13, Pick 20):

  • Andy Holloway endorses stashing Lewis, highlighting his potential role in the team's offense:

    "What's wild about Dion Lewis is to me he is 100% a stash." [15:21]

  • Mike Wright acknowledges Lewis's inconsistency but cites Derrick Henry's injury concerns as a reason to hold onto Lewis:

    "If Henry was back, I would probably trash him. But knowing that there's some murkiness to the Derrick Henry injury, I would stash." [16:23]

• Naim Hines (Round 14):

  • Andy Holloway expresses disinterest due to Hines's inefficiency and uncertain role in the offense:

    "I think C.J. Anderson is nothing more than a handcuff to the Le'Veon Bell owner." [20:26]

  • Mike Wright categorizes Hines as trash unless you're in an extremely deep league.

• Rodney Anderson (Rookie RB):

  • The unfortunate news of Rodney Anderson tearing his ACL [18:54] seals his fate as a trashed player.

Wide Receivers: Evaluating Emerging Talent

• Jameson Crowder vs. Quincy Enunwa:

  • Jameson Crowder is favored by Jason Moore and Andy Holloway for his established connection with quarterback Sam Darnold and potential PPR (Points Per Reception) upside:

    "I'm with you, Andy. Out of the two, it's Jameson Crowder." [30:21]

  • Jason Moore and Mike Wright discuss the uncertainty surrounding their roles, ultimately leaning towards Crowder as a more reliable stash.

• John Brown (Bills WR, Round 12):

  • Andy Holloway and Mike Wright strongly support stashing John Brown, citing his potential breakout if he becomes a primary target for Josh Allen:

    "Stash him... you're going to have trade value for sure." [32:07]

• Golden Tate (Lions WR, Round 12):

  • The consensus among the hosts is to trash Golden Tate in standard leagues due to his inconsistent role and suspension:

    "Trash. 100% trash." [35:16]

• Marquis Goodwin vs. Deebo Samuel (49ers WR):

  • Mike Wright and Jason Moore advocate for stashing Marquis Goodwin due to his established role and speed:

    "Marquis Goodwin is second year in the system. He's currently healthy. He's the fastest man alive or close to it." [38:03]

  • In contrast, Andy Holloway expresses reservations about Deebo Samuel's consistency despite his explosive potential:

    "I don't want to be chasing Debo on the waiver wire when he catches eight passes and is the..." [37:05]

Other Positions and Players

• Josh Gordon vs. DeSean Jackson:
  • The trio debates whether to prioritize Gordon over Jackson, ultimately favoring Gordon for his stake in the offense:

    "Josh Gordon should be a starting wide receiver." [11:00]

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Mailbag: Listener Questions and Strategies (48:11 - 55:38)

The hosts address listener-submitted questions, offering tailored advice on various fantasy football dilemmas:

• Waiver Preferences (David from Tulsa):

  • Jason Moore and Mike Wright discuss the merits of continuous waivers versus set times, advocating for daily waiver runs to maintain fairness and competitiveness:

    "Continuous waivers... every single day you have a bidding war. It's a blast." [49:19]

• Draft Strategy in Keeper Leagues (Joel from San Diego):

  • Recommendations include enforcing trade deadlines early and penalizing future pick trades to prevent last-minute baiting:

    "We don't let you trade more than a year in advance. That's one thing we don't let you do." [51:24]

• Team Stacking Concerns (Kyle from Chicago):

  • The discussion centers on the limitations of having multiple players from the same team, especially non-elite options, potentially capping weekly upside:

    "I would not consider Kerryon or Kenny G to be elite fantasy options and they're on the same team." [53:40]

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Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts (55:37 - 56:31)

As the episode nears its end, the hosts recap the importance of strategic stashing and trashing based on player potential and team dynamics. They encourage listeners to stay engaged, utilize resources like jointhefoot.com, and prepare for the upcoming NFL season with informed decisions.

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Notable Quotes

• Andy Holloway on Handling Draft Regret:

  "Look, everyone gets things wrong in fantasy football. That's just part of the game." [05:10]

• Mike Wright on Waiver Strategies:

  "Continuous waivers... every single day you have a bidding war. It's a blast." [49:19]

• Jason Moore on Player Consistency:

  "I think John Brown will give you a big game. He'll probably be like the Week 1 waiver wire pickup of the year because he'll have like a touchdown." [33:01]

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Conclusion

This episode of Fantasy Footballers serves as a comprehensive guide for fantasy football managers navigating the post-draft landscape. Through in-depth player evaluations, strategic waiver advice, and responsive listener engagement, Andy, Jason, and Mike equip their audience with the knowledge needed to optimize their teams and mitigate early-season panic.

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Note: Timestamps correspond to the transcript provided and are approximate.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

Is Christian Kirk with the Arizona Cardinals and you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.

[Mike Wright]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from pristineauction.com studios with your hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, welcome in. I am. I'm in the presence of. I'm in the presence of the great Judge Giamatti who just pulled off an Odell Beckham esque one handed reception. Right before the show started, I crumpled up a piece of paper. I crinkled a piece of paper as the show began. I hurled it at a high rate of speed at Al Borland's face. It was on a direct line and out shoots this hand from Judge Giamatti and one hands it right in front of his face. It would have hit him square between the eyes.

[Mike Wright]

You'd be dead born.

[Jason Moore]

I'm in shock, Brooks. I gotta protect the producer here. Yeah, the producers band together. Welcome into the Fantasy footballers for Friday, August 30th. We got a great show.

[Mike Wright]

Great.

[Jason Moore]

Quick question, stash or trash on the show today? Oh yeah, it's going to be fun. We've got the final show here today before we get into week one podcasts.

[Andy Holloway]

That's fantastic.

[Jason Moore]

Isn't that amazing?

[Andy Holloway]

I am ready to talk about real football, not just the draft season.

[Jason Moore]

Now we won't be here on Monday. I'm sorry. It's Labor Day.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not sorry.

[Jason Moore]

Well, we're going to spend some time with the families this weekend to prepare them for what they're about to endure. To say thank you for letting Us do what we do. So we're going to take the three day weekend. I know a lot of you are doing the same. And then we'll be back with week one shows starting Tuesday. And then the first NFL game will be Thursday.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. Jason Jackling, in years past, you kind of get that it's scratched in the preseason, but this, I mean, yeah, it.

[Andy Holloway]

Was a big letdown.

[Mike Wright]

Preseason is so pointless now compared to a few years ago. But that, what that means is that Thursday and Sunday, oh, it's. Oh, there's nothing better than a good scratch on a big itch.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you, Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a huge itch.

[Jason Moore]

That's a huge itch. Twitter @the ffballers. Thank you for everybody who has been subscribing to the podcast, reviewing the show on Apple podcasts, listening on Spotify or wherever you listen. We appreciate you. Stay with us through the season. It's going to be a lot of fun. We're going to give you some insight. We're going to help you make decisions for your fantasy team. We're going to help you bring home a title.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, I thought we were getting into the quick question.

[Jason Moore]

Footclang giveaway.com. you can win a signed Alvin Camara jersey. Our quick question of the day is a voicemail question. Let's go ahead and jump into that. Hey, ballers, this is Alex from New York.

[Mike Wright]

Love the show.

[Andy Holloway]

Quick question for you.

[Mike Wright]

When is it time to start panicking after a draft?

[Andy Holloway]

I drafted. Don't love my team. What should I do? Thanks, guys.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man, you need a mulligan, huh?

[Mike Wright]

That's rough.

[Andy Holloway]

We've all lived in the world of draft rugrats. It happens to the best of us. It happens to us. It happens to everybody out there. Just, just hold fast. You're. You're playing a game that is, it's based off of numbers and probability and it's, it's tough. Look, everyone gets things wrong in fantasy football. That's just part of the game. And oftentimes you will make a draft pick and go, yeah, I knocked that one out of the park. And then the pick you made that what you thought was an absolute stinker. You, you were tilting. You grabbed the guy because your timer was running out. Turns out that was the great pick. So just, just hold on. Let week one shake out. See how your team looks.

[Mike Wright]

The year is long and a lot of owners will quit. A lot of owners will stop paying as close of attention and you will just destroy them as the year goes on. Put it this way, every Single year, we get hundreds of messages along the lines of, man, I started 04 but made the right moves, made it to the playoffs, won the championship. So ask yourself, did you draft an 04 roster?

[Andy Holloway]

No way.

[Mike Wright]

Well, this guy's afraid he did. And you're still okay. In fact, I believe you can win one of those first four, sir.

[Andy Holloway]

Thanks, Jason, for the motivation.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the DFS pass is better than ever.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's get into the news.

[Mike Wright]

News and notes from around the league presented by sleeper.

[Jason Moore]

Brooks is just always athletically surprising us. The beach race he ends up winning, that was going away.

[Mike Wright]

If there were odds, if there were betting odds about who won that race and you would have put money on Brooks that you would have had like 100 to 1.

[Jason Moore]

He's also a pretty good ping pong player.

[Mike Wright]

That's true.

[Jason Moore]

Like he just.

[Andy Holloway]

It's heart. You can't measure Brooks's heart.

[Jason Moore]

No. No. All right. Speaking Thursday, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones says he expects holdout Ezekiel Elliott to miss games. Cool reiteration of yesterday's news, but it happened on Thursday. So wait and see with Ezekiel Elliott. I thought what was interesting from the comments was basically him saying he can't miss them all and won't miss them all. I don't know if he's reassuring himself.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he can't miss them all.

[Jason Moore]

It was a weird statement.

[Mike Wright]

Would you just throwing this name out there because obviously we've been telling everybody, go grab Tony Pollard. Make sure you have him if you're the Zeke owner. If you're not the Zeke owner at this point, make sure Tony Pollard is not on waivers. Would you even play the consideration game of grabbing Alfred Morris?

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, this is a stash of trash episode, right? So at the very end, would you stash Alfred Morris or is he trash? A little. A little preview?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I don't know. I think unless you're in a deep league, I probably wouldn't.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. We know that Tony Pollard has played all the snaps that Dak Prescott has played. They're telling us with their actions that.

[Jason Moore]

He'Ll be the snap.

[Andy Holloway]

Pollard is going to be the guy until Zeke is Back Julian Edelman scare.

[Jason Moore]

In week four of the preseason yesterday. Went down.

[Andy Holloway]

Why?

[Jason Moore]

On the hand that he had surgery on. He says it's fine after coming up after the play, grabbing the thumb. So fantasy owners were freaked out.

[Andy Holloway]

It's like, this one is wild. It's not the first time that Bill Belichick has played Julian Edelman in a situation where everyone on the outside is scratching their head. Certainly Uncle Bill has earned the benefit of the doubt at this point. He has a reason for the things that he does, but it's just, what. What are you doing, man, in preseason Week four, I mean, they're with the wide receivers you have right now. You're going to risk Julian Edelman.

[Mike Wright]

The Raiders, on the flip side, I believe they are only bringing about 50 players to the Seahawks. Like, they're not bringing, like, not.

[Andy Holloway]

Not playing so careful. This is a final destination situation. You stay in your room, you close the door, you put mattresses everywhere. You stay safe.

[Jason Moore]

I'm always amazed that, you know, the Cardinals played up in Mile High, played the Broncos last night. Players like Larry Fitzgerald who are not going to play, they suit up. You know what I mean? They put on all the gear. That seems like a big hassle. Like, you're not going to play.

[Andy Holloway]

I like that because you suit up.

[Jason Moore]

You put on your pads.

[Andy Holloway]

It's just getting. That's getting your body used to. Okay. I'm preparing for game action. I'm going to warm up. I'm going to get. I'm just starting to get into the routine. I like players warming up and dressing because that's. I think that actually does help a player get ready mentally for the season. But getting out and like putting Julian Edelman out there, he's. He's good, man. He doesn't need to do it.

[Jason Moore]

You know who did need to be out there? Josh Gordon.

[Andy Holloway]

And this one I agree with.

[Jason Moore]

He has been reinstated. He is eligible to play week one. He caught two of six targets for 30 yards last night. He's still very large.

[Andy Holloway]

Had a nice broken tackle.

[Jason Moore]

So how confident would you be to play here? I'm going to ask the first week one question for a friend. DeSean Jackson has the finger issue. Josh Gordon has the unknown of how much work does he get. Didn't get a whole training camp, all of that. Josh Gordon or desean Jackson?

[Andy Holloway]

Josh Gordon.

[Jason Moore]

Josh Gordon.

[Andy Holloway]

Josh Gordon. He's at home. He's versus the Pittsburgh Steelers. And what in a game that should have a decent amount of points put.

[Mike Wright]

Up, also has just 10 working fingers. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And he is a. Josh Gordon should be a starting wide receiver. Not that D. Jacks isn't a starter, but it's like, will he be out there for every single wide receiver package?

[Jason Moore]

So if you play Josh Gordon, make sure he's in your flex.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yes. That's great. Look at this piece of in season advice.

[Jason Moore]

You're saying that because he plays on Thursday.

[Mike Wright]

That's right. And so if you play him, make sure he is not.

[Jason Moore]

Sorry, did I say in your flex?

[Andy Holloway]

You did, and I was very confused.

[Jason Moore]

Trick question.

[Mike Wright]

Make sure he is not in your flex. Even though he's probably a flex type player. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Make sure he's in your starting lineup. So that way you do have flexibility to put somebody in your, you know, from either position in your flex.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

We talk about these players as it's. He's a wide receiver. One, he's a wide receiver. Two, he's a wide receiver. Three, you're the actual starting lineup of your platform. They don't care where you put the players, but you're. You're putting yourself at a disadvantage if you play a Thursday night player in your flex because it removes flexibility.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Ryan Fitzpatrick getting the start week one against the Ravens. Lucky guy, Ryan Fitzpatrick. Do you have interest in playing him? Great streaming, Ryan Fitzpatrick.

[Andy Holloway]

Not against the Ravens.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

In a streamable matchup. Heck yes, I will be interested.

[Jason Moore]

Kareem Hunt underwent sports hernia surgery on Thursday morning. Now that's a four to six week timeline. He's not eligible to return to action until week 10 as it is. But passing that news along. And then the ping pong ball of KIKI QT. Bill O'Brien says he's.

[Andy Holloway]

What does a ping pong ball sound like?

[Jason Moore]

I believe it's identical to a clock. If I remember correctly.

[Andy Holloway]

It's yes.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yes, there it is.

[Jason Moore]

If you go back to the archives, I've made that very clear to you. Kiki trending in the right direction. Could play week one now.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I like taking him late in draft.

[Andy Holloway]

I like the player. I'm saying okay to this. This is just bizarre. We're already into these shenanigans.

[Jason Moore]

I guess. I guess. Bill O'Brien. All right, that's today's news and notes. News and notes brought to you as always by Sleeper. Download the free app move your league over there. It's a modern platform with infinite customizations. So infinite it hurts. So infinite.

[Andy Holloway]

So infinite it hurts. So.

[Jason Moore]

Alright, without further ado, let's get into our main segment for today's podcast.

[Mike Wright]

Stash or trash?

[Jason Moore]

Now Brooks, you put a disclaimer in there. What do you want the people to understand about stash or trash? You got to take your league into account if you have an extra bench spot. Maybe these trash doesn't apply to you for all these players, that sort of thing.

[Mike Wright]

Don't tell me what I got to do, Brooks.

[Jason Moore]

Keep your league in mind. We're making stasher trash picks today, deciding on some players that are on the edge of rosters, right?

[Andy Holloway]

These are double digit players. These are guys that you drafted late. They might be on your waiver wire but one thing is for sure they all got a little bit of a stench upon them.

[Jason Moore]

That's fair. And the truth is is you're going to need some flexibility week one in the waiver wire and we're going to try to bring forth some names and whether or not you need to hold on to them through that period of time where you're tempted by the Week 1 stars because there'll be probably 10 to 15 players on the waiver wire after Week 1 that have put up double digit fantasy performances and people will be wading through them saying are these legit players, are they Ogletree's, are they Will Disley's, you know those type of players especially at the tight end position. Honestly, you know does TJ Hawkins and have a double digit week one and sure jump to conclusions that type of thing. Let's start at the running back position. Dion Lewis is being drafted at the 1301. So a 13th round pick. Dion Lewis, stash or trash?

[Andy Holloway]

What's wild about Dion Lewis is to me he is 100% a stash. I mean look at last year he had 67 targets. They he was, Derek Henry was given the chance to be the guy. It didn't work out. Then they tried to give Dion Lewis the chance to be the guy that also didn't really work out. So they went back to Henry. But Lewis is not being talked about at all. Derek Henry is and he was talked.

[Jason Moore]

About so much last off season because of how efficient and effective he was in New England.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Henry is the hot draft pick but we were, we had our league of record draft and I had my co owner Damon was there and he, we were like do we draft Dion Lewis? And I, I just couldn't bring myself to draft him even though I think that he is a valuable stash. So this, it really depends on your league here. But I think you should hold on to Lewis because he might come out and get four targets. Week One. And the Derrick Henry experiment might get off to a very slow start.

[Mike Wright]

I am not bullish on Dion Lewis. He had so much opportunity to be good last year and wasn't. He was pretty much irrelevant for most of the year, even though he got plenty of carries, plenty of targets. However, at the end of the draft, Derek Henry has been dealing with a problem. He says he's hopeful to be ready for week one and he came back, you know, to the team. But it. But I mean, he's hopeful to be ready for week one. That's where you do want to stash a guy. That's where you say, okay, well, maybe as a setback this week and all of a sudden you've got the complete 100% starter in Dion Lewis. If Henry was back, if Henry was out there, I would probably trash him. But knowing that there's some murkiness to the Derek Henry injury, I would stash.

[Andy Holloway]

To be fair to Dion Lewis, he did have at least a handful of solid games, including week one where he had over 100 yards from scrimmage.

[Mike Wright]

He was the running back 12 last year, week one. So as an RB1, maybe you can get it this year again.

[Jason Moore]

Also an example of how week one can treat fantasy owners.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, everyone, go get your Dion Lewis. He's a. He's a running back one.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, all of the offseason talk seemed to pay off at that time. All right. I don't have anything to add on Dion Lewis. I agree with you. I think he's a stash because of the calf injury. Colts running back Naim Hines, 14th round pick. He's a trash for me.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I'm not super interested in holding on to him. He will be the pass catcher. I think that we saw how they used him last year. Marla Mack is capable, but they still gave that role to Nahim Hines. But he was. He had a lot of targets, a lot of opportunity, but, I mean, he was incredibly inefficient. That was Andrew Luck guiding the offense. Jacoby Brissette may be better than he was a couple years ago, but he still is not Andrew Luck. So with the offensive hit, I'm not really interested.

[Mike Wright]

Now, Brooks, do you take this as a personal insult that we are unanimously trashing one of your guys? That in every draft that I've ever been in this off season, you're always coming over to my computer, you're pointing like, oh, I believe in Hines. I know. So do you still believe in Hines?

[Jason Moore]

I was going to ask Brooks the same question.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's late enough. Where I'll keep him on. I'll stash him. Now we have some breaking news. I'm not pushing the button because that button is for fantasy. Relevant news. This is just sad news for Jason.

[Mike Wright]

Oh no.

[Jason Moore]

Rodney Anderson tore his acl.

[Andy Holloway]

Get the same one he tore last year.

[Jason Moore]

Bengals rookie running back. Yes. Thank you. Brooks.

[Mike Wright]

Oh my goodness.

[Andy Holloway]

He's done.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I mean his career is done.

[Jason Moore]

The reason it's really sad. He was a very talented player. He was great and so good.

[Mike Wright]

He was the best running back in this class in my opinion. But the reason he dropped to the sixth round was because he's missed pretty much every year of his career and he's had an acl. He's had broken bones, I think a neck problem. Basically if you can have an injury, he's had it.

[Jason Moore]

That sucks.

[Mike Wright]

And then unfortunately preseason, that's got to.

[Jason Moore]

Be a mentally difficult situation to deal with. Knowing now you recover, you have to recover from that again just to have a shot.

[Andy Holloway]

The. The quick fantasy implications of it because that's where a fantasy show. Travion Williams, who is right now the third string running back for the Cincinnati Bengals dynasty. He definitely gets an upgrade to me.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's go ahead and turn to a couple other names. Ty Montgomery, CJ Anderson, both 14th round picks. Stash are trash. I am not in on Ty Montgomery. He's not a stash for me. I don't believe that we're talking about an offense that while I like Sam Darnold, I like some opportunity to improve. I don't think we're talking about a good enough offense to make me interested in stashing Ty Montgomery on my bench because I'm only looking at him to have value if Le'Veon Bell is out. So he's a.

[Mike Wright]

He's a trash for me, 100%. He is nothing more than a handcuff to the Le'Veon Bell owner. I drafted him in a 14 team league where I was the Le'Veon Bell owner in those deeper leagues. That's the context Brooks is looking for. That's where I'm willing to draft a handcuff. Otherwise. No, I'm not. I'm going to keep my eyes on him. I'm a bid hard if Love Bell goes down. But he should be on the waivers. I don't expect him to be getting the volume that makes him weekly startable.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, well then, Mr. Carry On Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Truth or it's. It's really, really hard to read the tea leaves that Detroit has laid out for us because it looked like they're dwarven leaves. Yes, they are. And my leaves. You had the first action with Kerryon Johnson. He was getting pulled on third down and CJ Anderson was coming in. Then you had the next scene where Kerryon Johnson was in for a string of snaps, but then he was put on ice real quick and CJ Anderson was getting a bunch of carries.

[Mike Wright]

You've also had C.J. anderson showing up as the third down back in some of those preseason games. I don't understand why people who are out on Kerryon Johnson are not drafting C.J. anderson. Because the argument that they are making is that this is a real split and that third down or goal line could be C.J. anderson's. But C.J. anderson's undrafted. It's like, if you don't believe in Carry on, he's a perfect, perfect stash. Because you're going to find out week one, what is the role? You're going to see how it breaks down.

[Jason Moore]

Now, I. I'm cool with week one stash on C.J. anderson.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, me, too.

[Jason Moore]

I don't see a lot of value beyond that because I'm not competing for, you know, low snap totals in Tampa. I don't want those guys. I have them on my team, but I don't have, you know, a Gundawale.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. So it's one of those things where I'm not personally, out of respect for Carry On Joplin.

[Jason Moore]

You're not doing that.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not stashing C.J. anderson.

[Jason Moore]

You just want. If this ship goes down, you want it to go down.

[Mike Wright]

I'm the captain of the ship, and I deserve to be in that room drowning when that ship goes down.

[Jason Moore]

Even when everybody's screaming at you, just leap onto the back of C.J. anderson. He'll take you to shore.

[Mike Wright]

I'm telling everyone, the lifeboat, get in your CJ Anderson boat. I'm staying here on the ship. But my point is gross. My point is, if you are one of those people that believe that Carry on is being overdrafted, he's going to be a bus this year. You should be drafting C.J. anderson. It doesn't make sense not to. And personally, when I look at the stash of trashes, I'm looking at that, as will I find out week one. I don't want to hold a guy that I'll find out by week five.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not as high as you are on Kerryon Johnson, and I'm not drafting C.J. anderson. So I don't think that that's a like some sort of logical fallacy. I'm not excited about. CJ Anderson exists to hurt Kerryon. He doesn't exist to help my team. That's how I feel about him because he's a 14th round pick. They don't if he. And carry on split goal line carries. Wow. I've got three or four touchdowns each over the course of the year. I guess I'm just not excited about. I don't think CJ Is going to run away with the job. Carry on is the better player.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, that's true.

[Jason Moore]

So.

[Mike Wright]

But if they were splitting, it's crazy that one guy's going.

[Jason Moore]

Well. Yeah. If they were splitting, sure.

[Mike Wright]

Going to the back of the second, the other is like right. Free draft. Sure.

[Jason Moore]

I don't believe they're splitting. My goodness, I hope not, Jason, for your sake, for your mental health. Devin Singletary, a 10th round pick. Justice Hill, a 10th round pick. Both guys being drafted ahead of some of these handcuff players. Singletary's had a lot of publicity just being a talented rookie. He's got juice in a backfield in Buffalo where LaShawn McCoy's there and Frank Gore is there. So you've got the long in the tooth running backs and so he's being drafted well ahead of Lewis, Hines, Montgomery, Anderson. But Singletary and Hill, who are you more interested in between those two? If you have to stash one of them, trash one of them. What are you doing?

[Andy Holloway]

If I have to stash one, it would be Justice Hill because I think long term he can work his way into a role even with the current depth chart. But Devin Singletary is for me is a 100% stash through this weekend. This is when the big cuts are going to happen. If the move with Shady McCoy that has been whispered about all offseason, if that's going to actually happen, it will come right now and it will be a shock and everyone will freak out and run to grab Devin Singletary off your waiver wire. You should already have him. And speaking of that logic, this is very deep. This is a very, very deep, deep stash. But a running back who has been projected to be off the team. He is. The running back projected to be off of Justice Hill's team is Kenneth Dixon. Beat reporters think that the Ravens are finally going to throw in the towel. They're finally going to cut him. Kenneth Dixon is actually an extremely talented running back. Things have just. He's had really, really bad breaks.

[Jason Moore]

But there's teams, some not his fault, some his fault.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, yes, exactly. But there are teams out there like the Houston Texans and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that if Kenneth Dixon becomes available, they might snatch him up and he might be thrust into a role sooner than later. So this is, I'm saying 14 team leagues, deeper leagues.

[Jason Moore]

I like holding 5.6 a carry last year on 60 carries. That's what Kenneth Dixon put up.

[Andy Holloway]

He.

[Mike Wright]

And he's a good pass catcher. So, yes, you've got a well rounded back that. Yeah, if he ends up in Houston, he's, he's someone to keep an eye on. And I would, I would trash Devon Singletary tomorrow, not today, after the cuts.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you gotta let the cuts happen. Before we get into the wide receivers of the stash or trash, want to thank today's sponsor. It's brought to you by Head and Shoulders and Walmart because everybody knows everybody that using Head and Shoulders every day is great offense for your hair.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

They also have that you guys Remember the commercial with the lady comes and throws the shield through the window.

[Mike Wright]

The window.

[Jason Moore]

It's a classic. It's a classic. They said, please feel free to return. That was the wonder. If that ever backfired on them.

[Andy Holloway]

And they got a tire through the window.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I hope not. I hope not. But by the way, you guys brought up this in your head and shoulders. Debate, discussion, argument, fight. Wheelbarrow. Wheelbarrow. This came up on. Did we bring this up on this show?

[Mike Wright]

I don't.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think so.

[Jason Moore]

So on our Sirius XM show, it comes up that all of a sudden, Mike and Jason have lived their entire lives.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Believing that the word is wheelbarrow.

[Mike Wright]

And according to the Twitter poll we put up, 40% of you out there agree or had previously thought of the object as a wheelbarrow and had the.

[Andy Holloway]

Courage to click on what you actually thought. I think the poll results. We need. We have like a plus minus of five.

[Mike Wright]

I'm barreling down the backyard with a wheelbarrow full of rocks.

[Jason Moore]

And I believe that we need more literacy in America. That's what I learned. About 40% more than we have.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, what you need is authors to start writing the word wheelbarrow more.

[Jason Moore]

It's so incredible to me. And so we had a fun time on the show, you guys. Now, are you making the transition you normally never.

[Mike Wright]

It's a wheelbarrow.

[Jason Moore]

You're calling it a wheelbarrow anyways, even though you know it's not a thing.

[Andy Holloway]

I've told you that I'm out on new music.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I just want 90s music in my life. And I called it a wheelbarrow in the 90s.

[Jason Moore]

So for everyone listening, you have to understand we're probably going to keep saying Bengals instead of Bengals, right, Jack?

[Mike Wright]

Jaguars.

[Jason Moore]

Jaguars.

[Andy Holloway]

I won't say Bengals because that's a band.

[Jason Moore]

Instead of Jaguars.

[Andy Holloway]

Jaguars.

[Jason Moore]

Jaguars. We get some things wrong. That's okay. We help your fantasy team. Stasher trash wide receivers. Jameson Crowder.

[Andy Holloway]

And now the wide receivers are.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Jameson Crowder. Quincy and Nunois. Crowder being drafted in the 11th Anunwa. Undrafted. I would be stashing Jameson Crowder.

[Andy Holloway]

Me, too. Of the two.

[Jason Moore]

Not Quincy and Nunois. Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

What we've seen is Jameson Crowder getting that underneath that short work, which, if you recall last year, I know. Different offensive scheme. But the player who had that role for Sam Darnold, whether it was Quincy and Unwa Jermaine Curse, held onto it for a very short time. But they. They had success. They Were they had PPR success. And on top of that, you have the Robbie Anderson calf mystery that's happening. Hopefully that mystery will be cleared up and Robbie's good to go week one. But I'm with you, Andy. Out of the two, it's Jameson Crowder.

[Jason Moore]

And it's just for the unknown factor. It's just to see what he does with Darnold. If he has this connection with Darnold in week one. I mean, Mike, you talk about Cole Beasley, you talk about Adam Humphreys, Adam Humphries, Jameson Crowder's in the same category of what if you got a PPR monster, especially with the Robbie injury. If they let Darnold throw the ball more and Crowder comes out. If Crowder had eight catches in week one, I wouldn't be surprised.

[Mike Wright]

Nor would I. Yeah, I mean, it's funny to hear you guys say that. I'm more on the Quincy and UNWA side in the sense that he's not new to this team. He's got two years with Darnold. You've seen a connection in the past with him while Herndon is out. I mean, he's a master of that middle of the field area. I feel like the first four weeks with Robbie's injury, I'm more on the Quincy side. I mean, that's the thing, though, is you. We don't know for sure. And by we, I mean the whole world does not know whether if Quincy will be the main target ahead of Crowder or Crowder will be ahead of Quincy. I don't think you've been able to really glean that from the main preseason games. They've both been utilized. They both looked fine.

[Jason Moore]

It's nice that Quincy New is healthy.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

At this present moment in time. Because when he's been healthy, he has been a very good player. He is a very good player. Bills wide receiver John Brown being drafted in the 12th round. Stash or trash John Brown?

[Andy Holloway]

Stash.

[Mike Wright]

Heck, yes. Stash.

[Andy Holloway]

Stash.

[Mike Wright]

That's a great Stash.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, look, I think I'm out on Brown.

[Mike Wright]

Really?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think I am.

[Andy Holloway]

Weren't you in on Foster earlier before they added John Brown?

[Jason Moore]

Not really.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I liked seeing the direct connection between Josh Allen and Foster last year, but you still have. The problem that I have is just volatility. I think I'm out on John Brown because I know how volatile he'll be in an offense that doesn't throw the ball as much as others. He was not a good wide receiver with Lamar Jackson. I don't see it being very different with Josh Allen week to week because I think Zay Jones is going to be a higher frequency target for Josh Allen. I think Cole Beasley will be a higher frequency target.

[Mike Wright]

Agreed.

[Jason Moore]

So I just think volatility wise I'm kind of like, I think John Brown will give you a big game. He'll probably be like the Week 1 waiver wire pickup of the year because he'll have like a touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

That sounds like someone you should stash and trade then.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you could do that. You could do that for sure. I don't have a problem with that. I'm just saying. And then you play him two weeks. I just don't know if you're going to get consistency from John Brown anymore.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I can totally buy you.

[Jason Moore]

This was my take on John Brown.

[Mike Wright]

Well, you're not going to get consistency. It's not going to be an every single week thing from a low passing volume. But you're not necessarily going to get consistency from a desean Jackson.

[Jason Moore]

Now that's true.

[Mike Wright]

Desean Jackson is more proven. Carson Wentz is more accurate. So obviously desean Jackson a tier above.

[Jason Moore]

I think it's a good comparison.

[Mike Wright]

It's the same type of player. And certainly if you're in a best ball league, John Brown's going to get his deep balls from the canon arm of Josh Allen several times through the year. But in your home league it's going to be hard to know when to start him, when to play him. But Mike, you bring up a good point. If he hits, you know, if he's hitting half the time or 40% of the time. If that 40% happens on week one, yeah, you're going to have trade value for sure.

[Jason Moore]

So is he a stash for you, Mike?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he is. And just because the last point I was going to bring up is Robert Foster. Last year, last year when Josh Allen came back, Robert Foster was also coming back. And then we saw, you saw four games over 90 yards in those final seven.

[Jason Moore]

It was awesome.

[Andy Holloway]

Foster was, was part of the reason Josh Allen was great for fantasy.

[Jason Moore]

No, you're right, you're right. Probably worth seeing what you have with him being a 12th round pick. Golden Tate. It's written in here as a Lions wide receiver by Brooke.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, Brooke.

[Jason Moore]

The good old days, you know. That was two teams ago, huh? Yeah, that was two teams ago.

[Andy Holloway]

He said Seattle Seahawk, Golden Tate.

[Jason Moore]

I'm sorry, Brooks, for calling you out, but if you had let that piece of paper hit Al Borland in the face earlier Maybe I wouldn't have. The call out was deserved. Golden Tate is a New York football giant. He's also suspended for four weeks. 12th round pick. Right. Now, if you were drafting golden Tate.

[Andy Holloway]

Trash.

[Mike Wright]

100% trash. I mean, there's. There's. There's no way. Now. I just brought up John Brown for best ball.

[Jason Moore]

Is he a week three stash then? I mean, are you going after Golden Tate when he's on his way back?

[Mike Wright]

100%.

[Jason Moore]

You just don't want to clog your bench.

[Mike Wright]

I don't want week week one waivers are so important. Yeah. For your year, and so are week two. Those two first weeks are incredibly important. To have a guy that's not able to play on your bench, that's terrible. I would never draft Golden Tate in a redraft. However, because of that suspension, he is dropping like bananas in best ball leagues. Bananas can drop from a tree, right? Sure. He's dropping like a coconut.

[Jason Moore]

I've heard that expression in my life. He's dropping like bananas.

[Mike Wright]

Look out, it's a banana.

[Jason Moore]

All bananas do is go down, down, down, down. Bananas.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, like people slip on bananas well, after they drop. Maybe that's why there's such a slipping problem.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

Going down like bananas.

[Andy Holloway]

Got it.

[Mike Wright]

Got it. In best ball, Notre Dame wide receiver. Golden Tate is a great option because wide receiver, I'm just continuing to go back. He's. You miss those first four weeks, but you've got the whole season. Essentially, everyone's in the playoffs in best ball because you get. You get, you know, 16 full games, so you're getting 12 games from a good value. And he's dropping as if it's redrafted best ball. But in a normal home league, no, I'm not stashing for week one golden tape.

[Jason Moore]

All right, here's a really good one. Marquis Goodwin and Debo Samuel, 49ers wide receivers are both massive stashes for me. We're talking Tom Selleck level stashes.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Debo's in that list now.

[Jason Moore]

100% in that list. Okay, week one, I want to see. I want to see what happens week one with that wide receiver core. Kyle Shanahan has said, you know, Jalen Hurd is not playing week one. Jalen Hurd is out. Marquis Goodwin, Debo Samuel, Dante Pettis. Let's let it shake out on the field. Week one, I don't want to be chasing Debo on the waiver wire when he catches eight passes and is the, you know, steps in. Trent Taylor's out too. So you just get to see it in week one and then move on. I'm a big stash on both.

[Mike Wright]

I am a very big stash on Marquis Goodwin.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. I know.

[Mike Wright]

I am not a stash on Debo Samuel. I don't.

[Jason Moore]

I like that will be a miss stash of yours. No, no.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you're gonna get the card.

[Mike Wright]

You get a three on that one.

[Andy Holloway]

Seemed like you got a three because that was already out.

[Mike Wright]

That's correct. This is just. I grabbed this to give a three. That's the only person.

[Jason Moore]

You grabbed his scorecard and you gave me a three. That's the best I could have hoped for.

[Mike Wright]

Look, Goodwin is second year in the system. He's currently healthy. He's the fastest man alive or close to it. Definitely the fastest man in the NFL.

[Jason Moore]

Definitely not the second year in the system. Oh, with. He's been there for three years.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Well, okay. Multiple years in the system. But with Garoppolo coming in. I'm just saying I felt like you.

[Jason Moore]

Were about to say no, no, I'm still right. Even though I said two.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, fellas, I must ask you a question.

[Mike Wright]

Get the cards out. Oh, I loved that one. There we go. You're getting a solid eight.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you. Are you interested? And a player who, when Jimmy Garoppolo started his career for San Francisco had three straight games of 100 yards. I mean, and that was Marquis Goodwin, who earlier in the off season. No, I was not interested because it sounded like Goodwin was going to get cut. He has a massive injury history, so which that exists. The injury risk for Goodwin is still 100% there.

[Mike Wright]

But the.

[Andy Holloway]

This fall of Dante Pettis has been a huge benefit for Marquis Goodwin, who is a locked in Week 1 starter for this team. So I want to. I'm going to stash and see what.

[Jason Moore]

I got for Goodwin.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Not Debo, though. I am all about Debo Samuel. You guys are both going to regret it in week one. Maybe he's going. Maybe he's the. He's the polar opposite vibes of Dante Pettis in that offense who's being constantly asked to do more.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think that the. That you're wrong on. There's a chance that that happens. I just have one or two spots where I can actually stash players.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

And so I don't.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't want to stash a rookie wide receiver who might be the starter.

[Jason Moore]

And this is the context that Brooks wanted us to have is that you have different decisions to Make. You don't get to stash all these players. You have to make, you know, stash decisions. You know, Debo or John Brown. You probably stashing John Brown in that situation.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. So I want to ask the question here. Between Deebo and Marquise Goodwin, if you've got one spot to stash, they're both on your waivers. You're listening to this show.

[Jason Moore]

That's a great question.

[Mike Wright]

Rather Stash there, I think, man. Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

You're even considering. Yeah, to me, that's wild, man.

[Jason Moore]

Debo is being drafted ahead of him. Not that that validates my point if I pick Debo here, but I like, I like upside and I think Goodwin offers you. We've seen him. He's a big play guy. He gets injured a ton. Debo Samuel, I think could establish himself as the favorite target of Garoppolo. So I think Debo is good. He's very good. He's very good and he does everything Kyle Shanahan wants him to do. I think he could have a more integral role that's more valuable for fantasy. Goodwin fits into the D. Jackson, John Brown category of on again, off again. Not going to be a high volume guy. If you believe in Pettis.

[Mike Wright]

I do. I was going to say when it's all said and done, this is irrelevant because Pettis is going to be the clearest number one.

[Jason Moore]

I love that you. I love that he's your. My guy. All right. McColl, Hardman, 13, 13th round pick. McColl, Hardman. Are you interested in who could be the fifth target on an offense? Just because of the innovation of Andy Reid into rounds, running opportunities, big plays. Nicole Hardman, are you stashing or trashing?

[Andy Holloway]

I am not stashing.

[Jason Moore]

I think I'm. I don't think I am either.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, no. I look similar to the Debo argument. It is very, very rare for a rookie wide receiver to get off to a hot start on their NFL career. Week one, week two. That's not to say it doesn't happen. You know, 2014, you had a couple of guys do it. You got your Anquan Boldens of old that just come out and torch the World Week 1. But because it's rare and he doesn't have a spot really locked in, I feel like it's going to take injury or a transaction to put him on the field enough to be a reliable starter. For those reasons, I'm out.

[Andy Holloway]

Shark. Shark Tank. If Miko Hardman goes off week one, it's because he caught two passes for 75 yards. And a touchdown. This isn't. He doesn't have that Anquan bold and opportunity where he's an integral part of the offense right away. Me, Cole was very interesting when it looked like Tyree Kill was going to miss the NFL or miss a bunch of games.

[Jason Moore]

So he's very interesting to see how they've used him in the preseason. They will use him. Touch passes, screen passes, opportunities to let those legs run free.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. But it's, it's just hard to stash a guy who's. When you have Hill, Zeus and the Lizard King all on one team. And I didn't bring up Damian Williams.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, absolutely. I think that makes sense. Any Dolphins wide receivers at all? Stash or trash?

[Mike Wright]

Look, I mocked Mike early in the off season. I hated the love that you gave for Albert Wilson. I didn't understand it. I didn't believe he'd be ready. Yada, yada, yada. And now I find myself as we are a week away from the NFL kickoff. I'm like kind of interested in Albert Wilson. He's the only one. Even though I believe in Kenny Stills as a, as a medium level, mid level NFL wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

Really nice to see you downgrade him officially. Thank you.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you. But Albert Wilson, he's healthy.

[Jason Moore]

I have no interest in any of them. They are trash, trash, trash, trash.

[Mike Wright]

You know what's helpful about that is the quarterback situation there.

[Jason Moore]

That will probably change in like two weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

It could, but that's why I'm interested. Or that's been part of why I've been interested in Albert Wilson.

[Jason Moore]

Let me put it another way. Will you chase him if he has a good Week 1 on the waiver wire.

[Andy Holloway]

Because I depends on how Ryan Fitzpatrick looks.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

So I've got a, I've got a color in my opinion here because, you know, I've changed a lot on Albert Wilson. I'm interested in him, but he's definitely a trash. Because when I actually think about would I in my league go get him right now? Plays Ravens week one. No, I wouldn't. So I don't want people to think, oh, I'm saying he's a definite stash. He's more of a keep an eye on, wait and see if he's healthy. I'm not going to grab him. Prior to his break.

[Andy Holloway]

We just talked about Golden Tate. I would much rather have Albert Wilson stashed on my bench than Golden Tate.

[Mike Wright]

Well, sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Just saying golden people are drafting Golden Tate.

[Mike Wright]

Stop.

[Jason Moore]

I would rather have Golden Tate on my bench than Albert Wilson. That's where I would be. I think Golden Tate will be a pretty peppered target in that office.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he could be.

[Jason Moore]

Starts week five. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, some people play the game of you're going to sign and drop four players before you pick up Golden Tate anyway. If you're picking up last year, here's some examples of last year's stash of trash. Josh Dachshund, John Ross, Tawan Taylor, Doug Martin, Danny Amendola. If I'm picking four of those and just dropping them week after week, I feel like I know the commodity that is Golden Tate. I don't know the commodity of some of those other players. Some panned out last year. The big stashes. Matt Breida, James Conner. Those were guys that. Amazingly, James Conner was in stash of trash last year.

[Mike Wright]

Everyone was funny to think about to come back.

[Andy Holloway]

We also have an update on Golden Tate's team. We're talking about Pope John Paul II high school wide receiver Golden Tate.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you. Brooks.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, Brooks has let us know he's starting next week. It's a homecoming game. Always update up to date info here, man.

[Andy Holloway]

If Golden Tate could go back and play on his high school team, dude, I would get. I would stash him.

[Mike Wright]

I would.

[Andy Holloway]

He would be good.

[Mike Wright]

I love watching people just dominate. Just like he's been held back six years, but he's still eligible to. Part of your.

[Jason Moore]

Your personality and character, Jason, is. You have no. You have no qualms about admitting competition is not something you're interested in. You want pure and utter domination. Cheat codes.

[Mike Wright]

I love the idea of competition, the expectation of competition, and then the annihilation of enemies.

[Jason Moore]

Now, how would you relate that entire kind of circumference of thought with your foosball play of late?

[Andy Holloway]

There has been domination.

[Jason Moore]

There has been domination. Are you embracing that?

[Mike Wright]

You can ask. No, it will flip soon. Here's. Here's the reality. You can ask my wife.

[Jason Moore]

You can ask your. Oh, no. Did you bring it home last night?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, my goodness. Did I bring it home last night? I was so man depressed.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm sorry. That's my fault.

[Mike Wright]

Look, I'm going to put this out there. I gotta. I gotta own up to the truth. Mike, you have been on fire. I am usually on defense. You are on offense. We were on separate teams.

[Jason Moore]

Defense.

[Mike Wright]

And the reality is, metaphorically speaking, you laid me over your lap and you gave me a whooping over and over and over. And I felt so bad, I went home depressed because I'm great at foosball. I'M not good. I'm great. And I was terrible.

[Jason Moore]

And then I went, or Mike was just really good.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, that's part of my compliment. I say he's great, so what does that make me, right?

[Mike Wright]

And you posted a picture of me, like, looking up. But I got to tell you, last night, Tiff walked in on me crying watching foosball videos last night at home because I was. No, it's not what you think. Yeah, but here's what I learned. Here's what I learned. I was watching a. One of the best matches of the last several years between two great players, one of which is referred to as the Michael Jordan of foosball. And he was.

[Andy Holloway]

There's a Jordan of foosball?

[Mike Wright]

There is. And the opponent of him had a. Is he the bird Wicked. Yes, he would be the bird of foosball. He had a wicked pole shot. And he smoked Michael Jordan for 80% of his shots. I mean, I felt so much better about my lack of being able to defend your pole shot because I'm like, okay, I just need a better offense.

[Jason Moore]

One part of the. One part of the analysis there is I thought you were trying to get better, but you were also looking for justification for getting beat.

[Mike Wright]

I was only looking to get better, but I received justification.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, we're gonna jump into the mailbag for a few questions. Help you guys out.

[Mike Wright]

Mailbag.

[Andy Holloway]

Mailbag.

[Jason Moore]

Seemed a little higher pitched than normal, Mike. Just a little bit higher.

[Andy Holloway]

The pipes. The pipes have been a little destroyed over the week. We're getting better.

[Jason Moore]

Well, every time you score on Jason, you scream really loud. And it's happened a lot. All right, if you have a question for the fantasy footballers, you can send it on the website, the fantasy footballers.com. click the submit a question. But you can also dial the voicemail hotline. 302464, TFFB. We got another voicemail question in there. Let's go to that.

[Mike Wright]

Hey, ballers, this is David in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

[Jason Moore]

Great show.

[Mike Wright]

Had a quick question for you about waivers. Do you prefer to let waivers run after the first set of the games? It runs on a Tuesday at midnight into Wednesday. Then after that, do you prefer to let it be every day there's another waiver run or is it a wide open AD drop after that until the next set of games?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, great question. And we have. We have long since moved on from the wide open waiver world. Yes, we respect the fact that other human beings have different jobs with different hours and different thoughts and different, you know, time that they can put into it. And it's a much more even playing field to have the waivers run each and every day at the same time. Expectations are set. We use a fab system. But even still, having them run at one time is probably the best way to go.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I mean, even if I didn't respect your jobs, and who knows, maybe I do, maybe I don't, but. And I love being able to dominate on people. Oh, open waivers. We're professional, you know, fantasy analysts, so we can make the move the second news breaks. That being said, continuous waivers, that's usually what it's referred to in the settings. And having it run every day is so much more fun. Every single day you have a bidding war. Every single day you have something to look at and everybody had time to get in. It's a blast. The only complaint that I ever hear is what about Sunday? What about last minute waiver moves? You just got to prepare. In the years we've been playing with the system, I can't think of one moment where it really ruined anything. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I think the only way that you can get into trouble is if you run it too early in the day.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

You need to find that balance. If you run it at 6 in the morning, things happen for fantasy before the game start. Let's say, you know, we're west coast, so the game started like 10 in the morning. There's a big window there. But we run them at like an hour or two before game time. It works out fine.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, to me, optimal would be the way we do it, which is continuous every single day except for Tuesday.

[Jason Moore]

Correct.

[Andy Holloway]

But if there was, if we could take Sunday once they run and then have it be open until kickoff and then everyone is locked again, I think that would be optimal.

[Jason Moore]

All right, Chris in Miami, would you guys agree taking juju at the 104 in a dynasty startup age, potential position durability. Thank you. Are you cool with Juju at 104?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Heck yes.

[Jason Moore]

All right, Joel in San Diego, how do you regulate draft pick trading in a keeper league? Well, we really don't regulate it a whole lot. We let it happen. We have a strict trade deadline that we brought up. Ours in our main keeper league is a couple weeks before the normal deadline. Because we want people to make decisions on the trajectory of their team earlier so that you don't get as much tanking or selling out when you don't.

[Andy Holloway]

Get that last second sellout or the last second by all the super players, like right. Going into the playoffs.

[Jason Moore]

But we don't let you trade more than a year in advance. That's one thing we don't let you do.

[Andy Holloway]

So and we also there is a penalty so we don't regulate. You don't have to have your full allotment of picks heading into next year's draft. You put yourself at the disadvantage that you don't have those picks. But you also then pay credit. You lose $10 a fab at the end of the draft for every pick that you did not have accounted for. So it cuts both ways for those players.

[Jason Moore]

Very interesting breaking news that I just received via email. I don't know how this happens, but there is another Andrew Holloway out there who seems to be from Georgia who just ordered a couple of things from Taco Bell.

[Mike Wright]

Oh fans. Oh man.

[Jason Moore]

A beefy Fritos burrito and a Quesarita combo.

[Mike Wright]

That sounds.

[Jason Moore]

But he must have, I mean put in my email address somehow so I know he put yours in. Yeah, I think he mistyped it. And so now I know that there's another Andrew Holloway out there that is.

[Andy Holloway]

That has a very close email to yours as well. You should email him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, and say thanks for the because when I got the email I thought maybe I was getting food, which by the way hashtag not a sponsor. I thought I was receiving food. Someone ordered it for me. Maybe Brooks was making it up to me after the Golden Tate situation. But no, it's just another Andrew. All right, time for a couple more questions. Kyle in Chicago, how much does having two players on the same team limit your upside? So on the same bad team, Carry on and Kenny G for example may need to trade one or both for higher ceiling players is his thought. Thank you for salvaging my fantasy career. Love you guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Kyle in Chicago, it can work out if they are elite players. For example, last year Odell Beckham and Saquon Barkley, players that had both those teams, they were perfectly fine until Beckham was hurt and then you couldn't play him. But in this particular instance, I would not consider Kerryon or Kenny G to be elite fantasy options and they're on the same team, meaning they only one of them can score per drive, which definitely limits your upside on a week to week basis. I would not love to have both of those guys on my team, especially considering they're both early picks. I'm like if I end up with Carry on and Marvin Jones as a value pick later on, I don't love it. I'm okay with it. But I certainly would not be spending a three and A four or three and a five on these two players.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, Saquon and Odell might legitimately be the number one running back talent, number one wide receiver talent in all of football. You did have teams like Cincinnati, you know, A.J. green when he was healthy, Joe Mixon, you could have gotten away with it, but your ceiling was capped.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, well, the ceiling's cap, but the consistency is usually up. So it's just a matter. I mean, you can't score a touchdown if you've got a running back and a wide receiver on the same play. But if both of those players at the end of the season are going to finish well, they're probably going to be taking turns on who has the massive game. Kind of level your baseline out. So if you've got superstars at other positions, I actually think it can be advantageous sometimes to have that stack.

[Jason Moore]

We also know that on losing teams, if you're a pass catching running back, that does not reduce your output for fantasy football. All right, that is it for today's show. We want to thank Pristine Auction. Yesterday, a Josh Jacobs signed Jersey Raiders jersey, $79.85. I'm sure if you want to find a golden tape Lions jersey, you could probably do [e-mail] I'm looking for that high school jersey. Yeah, I don't blame you. Use the registration code Ballers.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Use the registration code Ballers when you sign [e-mail] it'll give you $5 towards a future sports memorabilia purchase or anything that they have on their daily auctions. Our next show will be Tuesday. We'll be talking week one.

[Andy Holloway]

Get those drafts.

[Jason Moore]

Enjoy your long weekend.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, get those drafts done. We know you're still doing some of them this weekend and we will see you Tuesday, Foot Clan. Goodbye.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com and follow us on Twitter the FFballers.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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