Stash or Trash + Rising Ranks, Kamara Concerns - Fantasy Football Podcast for 9/1

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary Episode: Stash or Trash + Rising Ranks, Kamara Concerns - September 1, 2020

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright dive deep into the strategic considerations essential for the upcoming fantasy football season. The primary focus centers around evaluating players to "stash or trash," identifying rising stars in fantasy rankings, and addressing concerns surrounding Alvin Kamara's contractual situation.

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Rising Ranks: Identifying Emerging Fantasy Assets

1. Keenan Allen's Resilience Andy Holloway discusses the potential surge in Keenan Allen’s fantasy performance despite concerns about the team's offensive strategy:

“Keenan Allen is one of those guys where if he gets open and targeted, you will kill them.” ([04:26])

He emphasizes that injuries to teammates like Mike Williams could funnel more targets Allen, enhancing his value.

2. Terry McLaurin's Breakout Potential Jason Moore highlights Terry McLaurin as a significant rise in fantasy rankings:

“Terry McLaurin on pure volume has a great opportunity. I think McLaurin has risen up my rankings the most this offseason.” ([07:09])

With an increased role in a more pass-heavy offense, McLaurin is positioned to break into the top 12 wide receivers.

3. Damien Harris' Unexpected Upside Mike Wright champions Damien Harris, whose performance exceeded expectations during training camp:

“Damien Harris is tearing up training camp. He looks great in all facets of the game...” ([07:47])

Initially undervalued, Harris emerges as a reliable late-round pick with solid pass-catching abilities.

4. Devonte Parker's Promising Trajectory Jason Moore expresses optimism about Devonte Parker’s development:

“Devonte Parker has gone up my rankings the most this offseason.” ([12:50])

Despite a modest ADP, Parker’s consistent performances could make him a valuable mid-to-late-round selection.

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News and Notes: Addressing Alvin Kamara Concerns

Alvin Kamara’s Absence from Training Camp A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the uncertainty surrounding Alvin Kamara’s participation in the season opener. Reports indicate Kamara has missed three days of training due to contract-related issues:

“Alvin Kamara unexcused absence from training camp the last three days. Contract related...” ([14:15])

Drafting Kamara Amid Uncertainty The hosts debate the viability of drafting Kamara given his absence:

Andy Holloway: “We just drafted him thanks to mostly me... How did we not hear about this till day three?” ([14:55])

Jason Moore: “I think he will play. There's not a lot of options for a player in this situation.” ([15:52])

Mitigating Risk with Backup Options To counter potential risks, Andy advises targeting Latavius Murray as insurance:

“If you are drafting Alvin Kamara, definitely target Latavius Murray in case Camara decides to take a hit...” ([16:26])

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Stash or Trash: Evaluating Player Viability

Running Backs: LaShawn McCoy vs. Benny Snell Jr. The panel discusses the prospects of various running backs:

• LaShawn McCoy: Trash

  Andy Holloway: “I don't believe that LaShawn McCoy can do that at this point. I think Ronald Jones is better...” ([27:03])

• Benny Snell Jr.: Stash

  Andy Holloway: “...it's an insurance policy for a backup running back who has had a few injury problems.” ([31:49])

Wide Receivers: Curtis Samuel vs. Robbie Anderson Debating post-hype recovery for wide receivers:

• Curtis Samuel: Trash

  Andy Holloway: “I don't think playing with Robbie Anderson, but if you just say, do you believe in the talent of Curtis Samuel?... No.” ([35:48])

• Nikhil Harry: Stash

  Jason Moore: “I am looking for upside. If Nikhil Harry serves as a valuable target-increasing the offense, he’s a good stash.” ([37:01])

Tight Ends and Others: Jalen Rager and Carlos Hyde Evaluating tight ends and additional backs:

• Jalen Rager: Trash

  Andy Holloway: “I would not draft Jalen Rager in any draft because of what I already know.” ([43:54])

• Carlos Hyde: Trash

  Andy Holloway: “Rashad Penny makes the window too small for me to take the shot on him as that.” ([46:36])

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Fantasy Strategy: Managing Risks and Rewards

Balancing Risk with Potential Upside The hosts emphasize the importance of balancing high-risk, high-reward picks with reliable options. For instance, spending a significant portion of your FAB budget on Chris Thompson is a bold move:

Andy Holloway: “If you spend up in the preseason and week one higher than normal, you could capture valuable weeks.” ([49:35])

Mitigating Injuries with Depth Strategies include diversifying roster depth to protect against injuries, such as selecting multiple running backs to cover potential absences.

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Mailbag: Listener Questions and Expert Advice

Chris Thompson FAB Budget Allocation Listener David from Grand Rapids seeks advice on allocating FAB budget towards Chris Thompson:

Andy Holloway: “My number for this specific situation is 23%.” ([49:21])

Mike Wright: “I was 7%.” ([49:35])

Jason Moore: “I went 33% for this gentleman.” ([49:44])

The hosts recommend tailored approaches based on team composition and injury status, emphasizing flexibility.

Chris Thompson vs. Tariq Cohen Decision A discussion on whether to invest heavily in Chris Thompson or opt for a low-cost alternative like Tarik Cohen:

Andy Holloway: “I would prefer to go the Chris Thompson route because of what I believe Chris Thompson can become.” ([51:49])

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Additional News Highlights

• Derwin James Injury: The Chargers’ star safety is set to miss six to eight months due to a knee injury ([21:06]).
• Amari Cooper's Workouts: Concerns about Amari Cooper’s participation in team drills, potentially impacting his reliability ([22:21]).
• Leonard Fournette's Uncertain Destination: Speculation around Fournette signing with either the Bears or Patriots ([09:29]).

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Conclusion

The Fantasy Footballers provide insightful analysis, helping listeners navigate the complexities of draft strategies, player evaluations, and in-season adjustments. By addressing rising stars, mitigating risks, and strategically evaluating "stash or trash" options, the hosts equip fantasy managers with the tools needed to excel in their leagues.

Notable Quotes:

• “Time is infinite. Time is all. Time is. Frank Gore.” – Jason Moore ([01:54])
• “Devonte Freeman is waiting for you to pass on him.” – Andy Holloway ([52:58])

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Final Thoughts

This episode underscores the importance of staying informed and adaptable in fantasy football. Whether you're a seasoned manager or new to the game, the Fantasy Footballers Podcast offers valuable insights to enhance your team's performance and increase your chances of winning the championship.

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Transcript

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, welcome in.

[Unknown]

I'm Still Falling.

[Jason Moore]

Tuesday, we've broken into September.

[Unknown]

Oh, wait, is that true?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my goodness.

[Unknown]

September.

[Jason Moore]

Jason just looked at his watch.

[Andy Holloway]

It's September.

[Unknown]

That was not a gag. It's really September.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. Yes.

[Unknown]

Oh, all right.

[Jason Moore]

Time is nothing. Time is infinite. Time is all. Time is. Frank Gore. Welcome into the show, the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Appreciate you with us, Andy, Mike and Jason. We have a stash or trash episode today. If you're a new listener. Welcome in. Excited to be with you for this upcoming fantasy football season. We like to take a holistic approach to fantasy football, bringing you not just the stats and the analytics, but also some, you know, contextual advice, some things that can help you have an advantage over your league mates and help you, you know, take the next step. A lot of people reach out and they're like, I just keep finishing fourth, I just keep finishing third or just outside of the playoffs, and you just got to turn a couple dials.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the whole point is championship. And, you know, while we're, you know, talking about the ultimate draft kit and we're, you know, wanting to. Well, first of all, the draft is literally the most fun day of the year in fantasy football. But I've said this many times in the past, you don't win your championship at the draft. Last year we won the sleeper bowl, which, you know, juju and Ninja and Tim the tap man, we're the champions there, I believe. Our first round pick was juju and our third round pick was Devonta Freeman. Some injuries got in the way of those being good picks and we won the championship. So stick with us. It will be a fun year.

[Jason Moore]

Jason, will the big shimmy slide whistle make a draft day appearance?

[Andy Holloway]

Ooh, probably. I mean let's just. This is who I am.

[Jason Moore]

More big shimmies and more slide whistles.

[Andy Holloway]

Probably more slide whistles for Yalls picks.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Every time you, you know, take some old injured guy, I'll give you a good slide.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I do that all the time. I had a CBS draft last night. A.J. green is now a member of my team once again. Had him last year. He was the foundation of a championship team.

[Unknown]

He was your mascot?

[Jason Moore]

He was my mascot last year and I brought him back.

[Andy Holloway]

You did win the championship there though.

[Jason Moore]

I did with AJ Green sitting on my bench and Michael Gallup in my lineup instead. Quick question of the day. Who has risen in your rankings the most during training camp? Jason. Hard Knocks is tonight and your answer?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Oh, you got the Hard Knocks bump.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, I might be getting the Hard Knocks bump, but it's a double up. It's not just the Hard Knocks bump. My. The player I've been rising on is Keenan Allen. I still, I mean we knew coming into this year he's super talented, but super talented wide receivers, when they have, you know, a team passing problem, they take a major step back for fantasy. That's what I've been projecting this year. But it's not just the bump of watching Hard Knocks and remembering, man, he's good. He's not good. He's great. You know, he's one of those guys where it's like he will get open and he will be targeted and you will kill them. The reality is Mike Williams is injured to start the season. The targets will need to go his direction. The the season will start with Tyrod Taylor which I think if you look at my season long rankings, I have still the majority of the games going to Herbert which I started, I started to second question that.

[Jason Moore]

Oh I do not anymore.

[Andy Holloway]

It's just a matter of wins and losses. If they get off to a bad start, I think that they will make the transition. But watching Hard Knock shows me that this is Tyrod's team right now and Herbert is the future. But they're looking at him that way as the future, not the. The current year present started. So I will probably make that switch. But that's What I'm saying is that at some point my rankings will account for Herbert, which I think will be a step down for Keenan Allen.

[Jason Moore]

Was. Was it the Cleveland Browns hard Knock season when Tyrod was the starter there too?

[Andy Holloway]

Do you remember, Mike? I don't remember.

[Jason Moore]

Was that the season where, like, we had the Browns Hard Knocks? Tyrod was there that year.

[Unknown]

I believe so. I believe so.

[Jason Moore]

Tyrod has a history of being the guy on Hard Knocks every league that I end up with Keenan Allen as my wide receiver too, because the draft falls that way. I'm happy despite the doubt and the, you know, concern about the offense. I just end up. Oh, okay. PPR wise, that guy's great. All right. I have an answer that I wasn't expecting to have. It's Terry McLaurin. I had him.

[Unknown]

Whose guy is that?

[Jason Moore]

That's your guy. Yeah, I had him. Just sign it. He's made the biggest rankings jump over the course of the last two months. I've always, you know, if you just watch a game of Terry McLaurin playing football, you know, the talent is there. But when I, when I started to, you know, obviously he's been great in camp. He's their only wide receiver. It's what it comes down to. He's their only real target in the passing game. And this team is simply going to pass the ball a lot more than they did last year.

[Unknown]

Yes, they are.

[Jason Moore]

And do I believe Terry McClaurin can get separation at every level on a consistent basis? I do. Do I believe in Dwayne Haskins? Not really, but I didn't. I don't believe in Blake Bortles and that didn't matter to Alan Robinson. And I don't, you know, necessarily believe that Jared Goff is a top 10 quarterback, but that doesn't matter to Robert woods or Cooper Cup. So I think McLaurin on pure volume has a great opportunity. And it'll just come down to is this a four touchdown season or is this a seven, eight touchdown season for Terry McLaurin as to whether he can break into that top 12. But I think McLaurin has risen up my rankings the most this offseason.

[Unknown]

The guy that has gone up my rankings the most is Damien Harris. I mean, especially when you started zero with like the expectation for Damien Harris.

[Andy Holloway]

The.

[Unknown]

The running back for the New England Patriots third round pick last year was zero. Even the Damien Harris truthers on Twitter had gone full Homer Simpsons or Homer Simpson. Just going back into the bush. Like nothing to see here. Don't worry about me. I never said anything good about Harris. And then the injuries just kept stacking up for Sony Michelle. They signed Lamar Miller and it's like, well, okay, well, Damien Harris. Still nothing to see that Lamar Miller immediately onto the PUP list, although he is off now. But all camp reports from the beat reporters. Damien Harris is tearing up training camp. He looks great in all facets of the game. He looks excellent catching the ball. He. His pass protection is solid. He just, he is one of the stars of camp. So he is a. He's a player that has risen the most in my rankings and someone who I am targeting at the back of drafts. If, if Damien Harris, if this just turns into a really fun offseason fluff piece, so be it. But the fact that Damien Harris might be the leader of the timeshare for the New England Patriots in the double digit rounds, that's very interesting to me.

[Jason Moore]

You were drafting for upside at that stage in your draft. If you miss, you miss, right? It doesn't really matter now. I will say this. The Bears are the odds on favorites to sign Leonard Fournette. The second team with the highest odds to sign them are the New England Patriots, according to. I think it's odds Shark right now. Who released those numbers?

[Andy Holloway]

That makes sense. Mike and I were looking yesterday at what teams in the NFL because we don't think Leonard Fournette is really that good.

[Jason Moore]

No, he's not.

[Andy Holloway]

And we were like, what teams out there could actually be better off for signing him? And the Patriots were one of those teams we questioned, but perhaps they could benefit from that body type. I mean, they've done very well with a LeGarrett blunt back there before. And if there's one thing Leonard Fournette can do, it's look, Garrett Blunt.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. It's just amazing how this was a.

[Unknown]

Has the poster up on his wall.

[Jason Moore]

This was a can't miss prospect. This was a player that was drafted by Jacksonville ahead of Patrick Mahomes and DeSean Watson, top five pick. And you know he's been okay for fantasy, sure, but not a great player and not one that anyone was willing to trade even a 7th round pick for. With holes to fill on NFL teams all over the place and running back being the easiest place to trade for somebody to come in and play. He found no home.

[Unknown]

And like really think about it, a sixth, seventh round pick, the chance of that player. I know they were drafted, but seventh round picks make the team all the time. All the time. And the NFL team's like, nah, I'LL take a chance on this player who probably won't be on my roster over taking on the salary for Leonard Fournette.

[Jason Moore]

Is there a rough, is there a player that you've become a larger fan of? Who's risen most in your hearts in this off season, period? For me, it's been Joe Burrow.

[Unknown]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I find myself actively rooting for the outlier rookie season, the success in Cincinnati, all the glowing camp reports and just his work ethic. It's all been very positive and I want him to supply AJ Green with targets. But I'm actively rooting for Joe Burrow.

[Unknown]

Like, I has nothing to do with my hope that AJ Green returns to fantasy dominance.

[Jason Moore]

I like teams that, I mean, last year, Dalton, Finley, they combine to throw, you know, their top 10 in pass attempts with that offense. I just think there's so much fantasy potential in Cincinnati. My team last night, I have Mixon and A.J. green on that team. So self interest. All right, Jason, do you have somebody that has risen in your heart?

[Andy Holloway]

I can't really think of anyone specifically. I mean, obviously I've always had an affinity for David Johnson and I'm rooting for him as a, as a person, as a man in his new location. But I don't know if there's anybody who is just, you know, I've, I've grown brand new warm, fuzzy feelings for. No, I just have warm fuzzy feelings for most players already. And then if I don't, it's not good for that. Certainly not, I guess. Ronald Jones. Ronald Jones would be the answer. From last season and beyond to this season, I am rooting for Ronald Jones and I love the work ethic he's shown this off season, living with his trainer, you know, going out and running the hills in Arizona in the summer. You know, those things show this just in.

[Jason Moore]

Ronald Jones has. I can't make that joke. It's hot in Arizona though. Mike, you can't answer Blake Jarwin. Oh, was that your answer?

[Unknown]

It's always my answer. Andy, have you been listening to the show? It's. For me, it's devonte Parker. I want the breakout to be real. We're all scared that it's not as given as evidenced by his adp. Because if you were all in, if fantasy players were all in on that breakout being the truth, he would be a be a second round pick because that's how dominant he was for fantasy at the end of the year. I want it to be real. I want devonte Parker to succeed.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we'll talk More about him in a moment. Couple of reminders.

[Unknown]

Did I miss a note on Devonte Parker?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you did.

[Unknown]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Well, not, not really. I mean, he's just not practicing. Fantasy MVP episode is tomorrow. Tomorrow, the fantasy MVP episode. We will share our fantasy football MVPs for 2020. We will have the privilege of being joined by 10 industry experts with their fantasy MVP picks.

[Unknown]

Well, three of them are us.

[Jason Moore]

Those are the seven experts and we're three of them. If you're drafting this week, this weekend. Ultimate DraftKit.com and now we're joined by Jason Moore of the fantasy football throne to myself. That would be fun.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's talk about the big news yesterday. The headline news, the concerning news. Adam Schefter reporting. Alvin. Alvin Kamara unexcused absence from training camp the last three days. Contract related, believed, allegedly confirmed via his $2.1 million this year contract. I mean, we have faced this down with Dalvin Cook, Joe Mixon, Alvin Camara. Now, how concerned are you? Are you drafting him? Let's put it that way. We have big time drafts coming up.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, you know, we just drafted him thanks to mostly me. We had three different players we were looking at at the number four spot. I won the argument. Here's the thing that's really upsetting about that argument is this was his third missed practice. How did we not hear about this till day three? Give us some update. Day one and two. Yeah, I would change. I mean, we were close. You know, we were looking at Dalvin Cook, we were looking at Clyde Edwards, Allaire. I would certainly draft those guys over Camara.

[Unknown]

How wild is it that way? If you're talking about pure risk, when you're Talking about those three players, like, okay, who do you know 100% is going to be there on week one? It's the rookie. Like the other guys. I still think they're going to be there. You're talking very, very high percentage chance that they're there. But how wild is it now that the rookie is the one that is carrying the lower risk?

[Jason Moore]

I yeah, it's wild. And to calm the fears of many that have already drafted Alvin Camaro, I agree with Mike. I think he will play. I mean, there's not a lot of options for a player in this situation. There's the option of sitting out some practice so you don't get hurt as you're negotiating a contract. But if you don't play, according to the cba, the team can, you know, submit a request for you to come back. And if he doesn't play, he's not going to toll a year and he's not going to become a free agent. He's not going to get paid. He's going to have to play it under the same amount of money next year, which is the problem for Dalvin Cook, which is a problem for any of these guys.

[Unknown]

But what do you make about August 17, 2020, 10:59am Alvin Kamara on Twitter Sorry in advance.

[Jason Moore]

I want to believe he had some Chipotle that morning and it was awarded for the afternoon to himself. It was, it's an all around him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I will say this similar to, you know, the, the advice we gave. When you're drafting Dalvin Cook, you want to get Alexander Madison because it's not a shared, you know, 1A, 1B. It's a we know who the next man up is. If you are drafting Alvin Camara, definitely target Latavius Murray in case Camara decides to take a hit in the money department and miss one or two weeks. Because if he misses the first two weeks like he missed, you know, week seven and eight last year due to injury, Latavius Murray was the running back two and the running back three. Those two weeks.

[Jason Moore]

It's like an automatic difference maker. I was in an industry draft last night and I didn't know where to take Latavius Murray. I'm sitting there trying to make that decision like how far is he going to drop? Whereas normal ADP is. I didn't get a chance to get him. But like you said, if Camara misses a couple weeks or if the team, you know, you don't show up, you don't practice that week one, week two, you have the same workload.

[Unknown]

I will say I am not nearly as fully convinced that Latavius Murray will come in and be a three down running back. I know it's this is a deep cut, but Ty Montgomery is there. Ty Montgomery has a more comparable skill set to Alvin Kamara than Latavius Murray. I think that Murray is, will be the primary guy, but I don't think it's all of a sudden Latavius Murray is getting 70, 80% of the touches.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a fair name to be aware of in camp. I know that time Montgomery has been playing more as a wide receiver than as a running back and you know, getting involved in that way. But he is a talented guy who was not there last season.

[Jason Moore]

All right, he went, Latavius Murray went in the eighth round of the industry mock Last night.

[Unknown]

Interesting.

[Jason Moore]

Tenth pick of the eighth round. Would you, I mean, is that, would you take him higher than that?

[Unknown]

No, I would not.

[Andy Holloway]

That is about the highest I would take him.

[Jason Moore]

Would you take Latavius Murray today or carry On Johnson today I would take Kerryon Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, probably carry on. He's projected to be the week one starter and if Camara comes back tomorrow, then your Latavius Murray piece is nothing but insurance.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Like him. To be clear, we're just relaying the facts of what is out there and trying to prognosticate a little bit. I am still very much on the side that Alva Camara is going to be there Week one. This is just, this sucks for fantasy drafts that have already happened to put that doubt in your heart and the ones that are coming up. But I'm moving forward that Alvin Camara is still there. Week one.

[Jason Moore]

The Cameron Wolf Report. I was alluding to Mike another day. Devonte Parker isn't practicing. It's been a week now. He's riding an exercise bike. He's not in uniform. Oh, so it's been a week. I mean I knew he had missed some time, but he's still not back out on the field.

[Unknown]

That stinks.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Miles Sanders struggling through a hamstring injury. Adam Kaplan talking about the hamstring. He was spotted Sunday doing shadow drills and I am, I mean, obviously I know what that means so I'm not going to explain it.

[Andy Holloway]

I'd like to believe it means shadow boxing, you know, because one, that's a great workout. It's tried and true. Two, it's going to up your self defense. Should sure run into a back alley problem.

[Unknown]

I like to believe that he has a needle and thread and he's trying to stitch his shadow on Allah. Peter Pan.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think it's any of those things actually.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, all right.

[Jason Moore]

But are you concerned about his availability week one? You know he hasn't practiced since August 18th in full. Is Boston Scott going to have a bigger week one workload? Is it Corey Clement? Is it Grimace Face McGee?

[Unknown]

Yes, yes. Grimace Face McGee. I'm hearing great things about him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, it's not good. Look, I think that all the other running backs who are currently healthy and out there, the Derek Henry's, Nick Chubbs, Josh Jacobs, Joe Mixons, I'm taking them ahead of Miles Sanders right now because of this. But he does represent a gigantic tier up from, to me from the Giant question mark players that have switched teams and are older. So I will still take Miles Sanders at the end of that, you know, upper tier of running backs.

[Jason Moore]

All right. And then bummer for Chargers fans. Derwin James needs surgery. Going to miss six to eight months. He's such a good player, such a disappointing, you know, injury. Any other news that you guys want to bring up? Lamar Miller is off the pup like you said.

[Unknown]

I would say the the only other one to watch because we love him as a light round tight end sleeper. Chris Herndon got banged up in practice. It is some kind of chest issue. Adam Gay said he had chest tightness. We're not sure if it's related to some of the rib and lung problems he had last year, but this is something you need to pay attention to to perhaps maybe you're taking your late round tight end shot at somebody else.

[Andy Holloway]

And that tight end I hope can somehow be Jameson Crowder. Because if he's just going to end up a PPR monster, you are not.

[Unknown]

Wrong if Chris Herndon misses time. Like we've liked Jameson Crowder as a floor draft pick in that 8:9 range, especially in PPR. But if Chris Hernan is not there, Jameson Target or Jameson.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, that's exactly what he would be. Jameson Target. You'd have to throw him the ball and honestly it raises left bell a little bit just because his pass catching ability.

[Jason Moore]

Let me Jameson Target. Yeah, that's true. Let me read to you a tweet from Beatrider in New York. I don't know if you guys saw this starting jets offense working against the backup. Six possessions, scored zero points, turned it over three times, punted three times, picked up five total first downs on six drives, lost 27 to nothing to the backups.

[Unknown]

Well, here's the thing. They know all the plays. It's definitely related to that. Not just overall stinkiness.

[Jason Moore]

It does bring some like PTSD forward from watching them play last year. Their offense was atrocious.

[Andy Holloway]

The only other news I would bring up before we move on is Amari Cooper has not been participating in team drills for I haven't seen today's practice report, but the last three practices Amari Cooper has been doing individual workouts. Mike McCarthy was asked, Are you concerned? He said, no, not at all. But you know that it's something to be aware of because I haven't really seen it reported widely outside of Dallas. But they're, you know, everyone's wondering what's going on with Amari Cooper a little bit.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, no, that makes sense.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Unknown]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Unknown]

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[Andy Holloway]

No, you're 13 below.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I was going to say below 50.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a failing grade. And look, I mean, this is everything in life. You want to win a championship in fantasy football, you got to go 100. That's what I do. I don't take it to 75 and say, this is how I'm going to play my fantasy.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

So why would you do it with your hair?

[Jason Moore]

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[Unknown]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

And one more reminder for fantasychamps.com youm can buy any trophy or belt and receive a $59 championship ring for free. You just gotta add both products to the cart for the discount to apply. You gotta put that free ring code and you'll get a free ring. And I'm [e-mail] right now. There are two choices on the ring. There is the FFL stunner ring.

[Unknown]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

And there is the Bling ring.

[Andy Holloway]

I've always been a fan of the Bling ring.

[Unknown]

I'm on the FFL Stunna.

[Jason Moore]

If you win two titles, you can get one of each.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a good idea. Not.

[Jason Moore]

Not a bad idea. So if you're. I mean, look, every league needs a trophy. Every. Every league needs. This is true. Something to hold up to, flex all year long. Check it [e-mail] Like I said, use the code. Free ring. Once you put the ring in the cart with the trophy or with the belt, and it will be free. It will be a free [e-mail] and by the way, free expedited production. So they're going to get it out to you really quickly.

[Andy Holloway]

Nice.

[Jason Moore]

All Right, you guys is ready for the main?

[Andy Holloway]

Let's go.

[Mike Wright]

Stash or trash?

[Jason Moore]

All right. Stash or trash? Last year we had an episode just like this. Found John Brown in the late rounds. We're trying to look at some of these very, very back of draft options and whether or not you believe they're worth tacking on the end of your bench, whether you think you'd be holding them to see what happens. And you know, I can tell you from drafting yesterday, there are a ton of players in this category where you're thinking, do I want to give this guy a chance to develop? This guy a chance to develop. Is this, you know, is this a floor play? Is this a ceiling play? So let's start at running back. He was once the slippery fish. What is he now? Lachom Coif?

[Andy Holloway]

Ouch, Ouch, Amy. Just smacking your funny bone.

[Unknown]

He just went full macho man off the top ropes and took out your microphone stand.

[Jason Moore]

My right hand is numb, fully numb.

[Andy Holloway]

No respect for our equipment over here.

[Jason Moore]

Just what it is. I mean, I'm telling you.

[Andy Holloway]

So was that the microphone stand or the table that you hit?

[Jason Moore]

No, that was the microphone stand. I don't know why LaShawn McCoy got me so angry.

[Unknown]

This stand.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he's going to call him a trash based on that reaction. For me, I am going to say trash because I don't believe that he has it left. I don't think he's going to get the role. And when I'm looking late, I, you know, I want someone who can win the entirety of a job and I just don't believe that LaShawn McCoy can do that at this point. I think Ronald Jones is better at this point in their careers, especially as a, as a runner and they're going to need to utilize him. I mean, you know, there were games last year where Lashawn McCoy was benched, including the Super Bowl. So it's one of those things where I respect Bruce Arians. I know he wants the vet in there. I know that if Ronald Jones whiffs on some past protection, Shamacoi will be in that game. He will absolutely be put in your, you know, in that game. But will he ever be in your lineup in fantasy when that happens? And I don't think you'll ever be able to see either the follow up game to a missed assignment or the mid game switch to a missed assignment. So you're going to have this player who will have a couple games of relevance, but I don't think you'll Ever start him for that? I think he's a clog.

[Unknown]

I'm not necessarily stashing LaShawn McCoy for what you're talking about, of thinking he's going to break into my lineup. This is someone I'm taking at the very back of the draft. And if we know anything about Bruce Arians, he likes guys that are proven in pass protection, guys that can catch the ball. They're not going to fumble, they're reliable. And he often finds himself enamored with guys who are, as you would say, washed. We saw it happen in Arizona when Chris Johnson, who he was, he was fine, but he kept getting on the field over David Johnson, who was explosive and could make things happen, like Ronald Jones get Jones the ball in space. Better things will happen then at this point than if Shady has the exact same scenario lineup. But the reason he's a stash for me is week one. Shady might make him out, get a rushing touchdown, have 40 to 50 total yards, and then you might have a trade piece, someone that you can trade with a, with a, someone else on your team and go get like a big upgrade, go steal someone's fifth round.

[Jason Moore]

Pick that had a bad week one.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think he's probably a trash for me. I get the trade angle, but I'm not going to draft for that, I don't think. And it's like if, if Ronald Jones goes down, Lashawn McCoy's, you know, what's his ceiling? How much work does the rest of the backfield get in that situation is the ceiling.

[Unknown]

Honestly, I'm trying not to be hyperbolic, but it's Tom Brady. Think about how much we have seen Tom Brady dump the ball off to his running back. Now it's a new team, new system. Will that continue? But I think it's worth taking the chance because the ceiling then is shady gets 60 targets.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so Jason and I both put him in the trash category. Mike with the stash, Benny Snell Jr. Back up in Pittsburgh. All the camp reports about Benny Snells, that he's come back and he looks like a different player. He's shed about 12 to 15 pounds. He looks like Jason. You brought up the fact that they were asking some beat reporters in Pittsburgh, you know, is the, is the running back of 2021 on this roster?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. They posed the question, do you believe it's James Conner, someone else on the roster or someone not on the roster, the lead back in 2021. Their answer was they believe it's going to be Benny Snell that he's taken over as a locker room leader this year. He's come in fit and is looking faster, which that's important. He did not look very fast, but, you know, that's what's going on in Pittsburgh, is that he's coming into year two having taken it up a notch, and he looks like the clear second guy in line. And so this is a question of. I would not stash him as a. As a hopeful player that it becomes a timeshare. I don't think Tomlin's going to do that. But I would consider in a deeper league, stashing him as an insurance policy for a, you know, to be the backup for a running back who. I don't know has had a few injury problems.

[Unknown]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

In his career.

[Jason Moore]

Per week.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly. I mean, if you wanted to say, okay, the running backs that are out there, who are great, who's the most risky? You know, maybe right now Alvin Camara comes to mind. Maybe he'll miss the season. James Conner has to be like top five for sure. Maybe top one.

[Jason Moore]

Top one is up there. Contract issue for him next year, right. For.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah. James Connor is on the last year of his contract where it's tough going with these two players because I think McCoy can just get into the starting role through, like through someone else messing up. He can just. Or play his way into the starting role. Benny Snell cannot. But do you thinking about fab, you know, like your, Your free agent budget where you're. You're trying to get these guys off the waivers. James Conner goes down, misses time, wins a vacation, whatever. How hard are you going after Benny Snell? Like, what kind of a. Of a drop are you putting on him?

[Jason Moore]

The difficult part is that we were here in a way. Right. Like, it's cool to have a camp report that you look good, but we were here. James Conner missed time. Benny Snell was on rosters. It wasn't great. I mean, it wasn't something special. Now Big Ben wasn't there and he looked a narrative street, but because we haven't seen Benny Snell come in and we don't know if Anthony McFarlane gets work and we don't know if you know how good he looks. It's hard to, you know, fab wise. Yeah. I mean, people would spend up if you knew he was gone for the year. I just don't know if he's somebody that I'm looking at betting on a week one injury. He's a. He's trash. Not Stash for Me?

[Unknown]

Yeah. I'm not. I would not Stash if week one.

[Andy Holloway]

Ronald Jones and James Conner were to go down. I would certainly put my waiver claim or the more fab on Benny Snell. So he's a stash for me.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know if I would from the past catching.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. I mean, that. That could be an issue. You know, I mean, look, he wasn't great. He had three weeks last year, the second half of the year, when he got the opportunity where he was a top 21, 24 back. You know, he was RB2 or better. But they were. I mean, they were in the 18s. You know, they weren't volume.

[Jason Moore]

Right. Like a bunch of carries and a couple of those.

[Andy Holloway]

But again, I mean, you were playing without a quarterback with a terrible offense that had no scoring opportunities every single game.

[Jason Moore]

Let's go to wide receiver Curtis Samuel. Stasher trash last year. He was the, you know, if Godwin was the off season hype train that paid off, Samuel was the offseason hype train that went into a ravine. I mean, it was not good for your fantasy roster. So are you looking at post hype, sleeper rebound situation for Curtis Samuel or does the acquisition of Robbie Anderson just kind of muddy those waters entirely? Stash or trash? Late round Curtis Samuel shot like. Would you let me put it this way while you're thinking about it.

[Unknown]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Would you believe it? If you start. If you start the year with a good Curtis Samuel game, are you really buying that as anything more than an outlier?

[Unknown]

That is an excellent point of. And I just talked about this yesterday, like that confirmation, week one bias.

[Jason Moore]

It's.

[Unknown]

It hits me right in the heart. If I draft Curtis Samuel late and he explodes week one, I've done it. I've done it again. I. You suckers at the draft did not take Curtis Samuel. I have him. You will never get him on your team. He is with me until the end. So that's like an unfortunate part of. If you draft Curtis Samuel and he hits on week one, the heart will go all in on Curtis Samuel. And I think I have to protect my heart from that actually happening. So I am not going to be drafting Curtis Samuel.

[Andy Holloway]

It's funny you say that. If he had a good week one.

[Unknown]

Would you be in.

[Andy Holloway]

I think I would almost be upset because I'd be like, well, I can't. I don't. I don't trust it enough to.

[Jason Moore]

To put him in your lineup the next week.

[Andy Holloway]

To put them in my lineup the next week. But now I can't cut them. I mean, maybe you could trade him. That would be great. I would be willing to trade him in that situation. But I, you know, there's a lot of quality mouths to feed there. You know, DJ Moore is going to be the one with Robbie Anderson there and Christian McCaffrey. I think Curtis Samuel has some big games, but I don't think he's going to be reliable.

[Unknown]

Who do you prefer, Curtis Samuel or Robbie Anderson?

[Andy Holloway]

I would prefer Robbie Anderson. Interesting. Just because of the money, the system. He actually has more familiarity with this system from college. So, you know, it's one of those where I don't think I want the Curtis Samuel, but it's hard for me to say that because if you just say, do you believe in the talent of Curtis Samuel? I'd say, well, yeah. Do you believe that the Carolina Panthers with Teddy Bridgewater could surprise and be a decent offense? Yes, I do. So those things point me to.

[Jason Moore]

Do you believe that Curtis Samuel could be anything more than the number three option in that offense over the course of the year?

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Unknown]

No.

[Jason Moore]

And that's the problem.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Here's the first stash for me, Nikhil Harry.

[Unknown]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Wide receiver for the New England Patriots.

[Unknown]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

The connection between him and Cam Newton and camp is reported to be very good.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

And I want the stash at the end of the draft where week one could validate a season long trend or serve to potentially signify a season long trend. If Nikhil Harry comes out and let me give him a stat line, let's say he goes six for 110 and one.

[Unknown]

Oh my goodness.

[Jason Moore]

In week one. Right. I could see the path. We're going to kill Harry as the is the one valuable target in that offense for the rest of the season. That's what I'm looking for at the end of the draft. I am looking for upside. I'm looking for ceiling. And if I don't get a week one with Nikhil Harry, he will find his way to the waiver wide.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Is there any way that Nikhil Harry could be the number one option in that offense even with Julian Edelman there? I think there is a way that that happens. I certainly am not projecting that and I have not really liked the camp reports. You know, there's, there's some camp reports talking about, oh, there's a good connection there. The majority of camp reports just on Harry by himself is that he's had mental errors and has not always looked very good. So it's not been a glowing camp for Nikhil Harry. But your point Andy of you got to look at what happens week one for any of these guys if they just go out and stink. Well, okay, we cut them. But what if they go out and have a good week? Does it help your roster? Does it turn into someone that you believe you can start? Does it turn into someone that the league will validate and say I could trade for him And I think Nikhil Harry does fit that.

[Jason Moore]

I want to remind people what fantasy relevance meant to a Cam Newton target in Kelvin Benjamin because you think of oh, Benjamin was fantasy relevant. That equated to a 50% catch percentage. 63 and 73 receptions in the two relevant years. Nine touchdowns, seven touchdowns. Do I think Nikhil Harry can catch 63 passes for seven touchdowns?

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

On 50, 50% of his targets.

[Unknown]

Six, four. I think he can be.

[Jason Moore]

He's a big dude and the first round capital back set up.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

And you know fun trivia fact here that I'm just finding out. Nikhil Harry, born in Toronto, Canada.

[Andy Holloway]

Wow.

[Unknown]

So bonjour.

[Jason Moore]

That changes things.

[Unknown]

Significant odds.

[Andy Holloway]

Now I'm a stash for sure.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so wait final answer though. Nikhil Harry, stasher trash.

[Unknown]

I think he's a stash.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to stash him.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, let's.

[Andy Holloway]

There's one before you move on because we're talking about all these wide receivers are going right in the same area. There's one guy that I would put ahead of both of those two for me as my stash and that would be Bashad Perryman. Really? Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Even with just for no. He's very hurt right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean that is an issue. But are the jets are very hurt right now. Chris Herndon is very hurt right now. And my point, you know we talk about Jameson Target and saying he's the only guy there.

[Unknown]

Oh no.

[Andy Holloway]

But Rashad Perryman did the Devonte Parker last year. He at the end of the season he looked like what he was drafted to be goes and signs in a vacated Robbie Anderson spot. I just, I believe, I guess super.

[Unknown]

Valuable Robbie Anderson spot.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's why I, I think that the odds of Prashad Perryman hitting this year are slightly higher than the odds of Nikhil Harry hitting this year.

[Unknown]

Interesting.

[Andy Holloway]

Just because I, you know Mohammed Sanu is still there, Julian Edelman is still there. I mean, you know I'm not confident that the Patriots are going to throw a lot. I think they're going to use Cam Newton's skill set. So they're very similar to me.

[Jason Moore]

Obviously the stash of Trash Perryman for you, Mike.

[Unknown]

I will not be stashing Perryman. I see it.

[Jason Moore]

I did it at the back of my CBS draft yesterday, Jason. But I wasn't happy about the report this morning where he is still have swelling around the knee.

[Unknown]

Yeah. The injury has gone on for quite some time. I believe almost half of training camp on a new team this year. No.

[Jason Moore]

Let me ask you a question. The two coaches that I think are in the highest likelihood of a mid season exit from the team, it's Adam Gaze and then I don't know if they'd fire him or not, but it could go south quickly. And it's Matt Nagy in Chicago. Do you think those two guys finish the season with their respective clubs as the head coach?

[Unknown]

I would say I would put the odds on yeah, that they do.

[Andy Holloway]

I think Gase will be gone before the end of the season.

[Mike Wright]

I do too.

[Jason Moore]

All right, here's a tough one. People need to know this answer. Maybe the most important one. Stash or trash Jalen Rager in drafts because the injury is going to run into the season.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And when you look at what's happening in Philadelphia, it's easy to say, okay, I'm going to stash him for a couple of weeks. He comes back, he establishes himself. Then I got a second half guy. That's really not how you play fantasy with rookies. The other thing is when he comes back, Alshon Jeffrey will be back by the time Jalen Rager comes back. So you will have more pieces to the puzzle if desean Jackson stays healthy. Alshon Jeffries there. Greg Ward establishes himself in the first couple of weeks. Zach Ertz. Here's Jalen Rager trying to find his way off an injury. So what do you think? Is it, is he still a stash for you or would you rather just because you can pass on that pick and go Michael Pittman, you can pass on that pick and go Jerry Judy.

[Andy Holloway]

Nikhil Harry or Bashad Perryman.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

I am not. Even though I absolutely love the talent of Jalen Rager, him and Jerry Judy, I'm all in on their futures. I would not draft Jalen Rager in any draft because of what I already know. I already guarantee what's going to happen to my roster, which is I have a spot that is taken up now. If I've got an IR league, if you've got ir, which honestly in Covid leagues, a lot of leagues are adding IR and they're just going to be available, then sure, I would literally draft him to Stash him on my ir. Great.

[Jason Moore]

That's a great, great point.

[Andy Holloway]

But if I'm in a normal league that does not have an IR spot I can't take up in this season. A bench spot for a guy who's not playing who when he comes back, we project slow to start. I don't usually draft rookie wide receivers. You know, A.J. brown was awesome last year, but not in the beginning. That's how it usually is.

[Jason Moore]

And he wasn't drafted by a lot of people.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. My point is the best rookie wide receivers over the last several years, when you look at drafting them, it doesn't work out in the beginning of the season.

[Jason Moore]

Here's an interesting one. Mike Williams is injured. Is he somebody that you're willing to stash to see if that Tyrod Taylor deep ball connection? I mean Mike Williams is a 20 catch or a 20 yard per catch guy. He's a 20 catch per game type of guy. Maybe per season.

[Unknown]

That's better than first season.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, no, I am, I'm not stashing Mike Williams. I, you know, best ball. I'll still take the value there because he'll come back and you'll get the entirety of the season and you'll get those big plays automatically set in your lineup. But I wasn't really wanting him in redraft prior to the injury much. So now while he's injured, I don't want. I mean we just talked about that with Rager.

[Unknown]

It's so wild to remember that Mike Williams was 1,000 yard receiver last year. He's very, very good. But I'm with Jason. I'm not drafting Mike Williams and with, with hopes and dreams of whenever, you know, like week. Let's say he's back quickly. Week three. He's in there. Are you going to start in week three? No, you're certainly not. So you're talking about almost a month in that a guy's just been on your bench doing nothing or and there's.

[Jason Moore]

Players like him that are probably sitting on waiver wire that you can take another shot on.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And you want to know when you can take a shot on Mike Williams on waivers in week three he'll be there. Even if he's drafted in your league, he'll be there come week three and you just scoop him up.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. If he's drafted, he'll be one of the people cut to pick up the new hotness in week one named Curtis Samuel or whoever it might be. Final stash of trash before Mailbag. The pride and joy of Mike, the fantasy hitman's right. Dynasty's dynasty team. Carlos Hyde stasher trash. Carlos Hyde, one of your foundational pieces for your dynasty team.

[Unknown]

Look, you are not wrong. He is a big part of what my dynasty team is going to be doing this year. And no, I would not be drafting him in redraft. The upside of Carlos side is he's the backup. Chris Carson misses time, which I think that Chris Carson is going to start the year. Chris Carson is going to be fantastic for fantasy football. Yes, Carlos side will get touches, but are these valuable touches like Rashad Penny has pass catching in his skill set? Carlos Hyde can catch the ball, but that's where the skill set kind of stops. He's a grinder. And so I will not be drafting Carlos Hyde.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Rashad Penny makes the window for where Carlos Hyde would be valuable for fantasy. Too small for me to take the shot on him as that.

[Jason Moore]

Do you think we see Rashad Penny at all this year?

[Andy Holloway]

I do. I think he'll be back in week seven after the pop.

[Jason Moore]

I think we might not see him.

[Unknown]

I think we may not. But if he comes back to me, it's not week seven.

[Jason Moore]

Chris Carson report this morning, just the praise by Pete Carroll's actually praising his players.

[Andy Holloway]

What? That's.

[Unknown]

Who is he talking about this time?

[Jason Moore]

He said Chris Carson has been incredible.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. To me, the way that I see it with the injury timeline is that Penny will come back at some point this season. So at that point, you've. You've got Chris Carson healthy right now. If he were to go down before Penny is back, then, yes, Carlos Hyde would be valuable. But you're. That's a lot of ifs and small window of opportunity to draft him. So he's a. He's a trash to me.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we're going to jump into the mailbag. I want to remind you there are over 6,000 meglable entrance. So you can go to megalabole.com, learn more about the largest fantasy football league, play with the Foot Clan, win a spot in the listener league. Jason, you may continue.

[Andy Holloway]

Mega.

[Jason Moore]

Do you want to do a mega mailbag drop?

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. Mailbag. Mailbag. It's me.

[Jason Moore]

I knew you sounded like. You sounded a little. Swear to me. I can hear Al Borland dying on the other side of the room. Swear to me. All right. If you have a question, go to the website, the fantasy footballers.com. you can dial the voicemail hotline. 302464, TFFB. We're here to help Here's a voicemail.

[E]

Hey, ballers. David and Grand Rapids, Michigan here. Just curious how much percentage fab I should spend on Chris Thompson. My waiver is clear tonight. I have David Montgomery as my flex and Alvin Camara as my running back. One really looking to take care of the first few weeks of the season. I think Chris Thompson can do it for me.

[Jason Moore]

Thanks, ballers.

[E]

Bye.

[Jason Moore]

I am so happy that we have this question because I've seen the how much of my fat budget question with Chris Thompson all over Twitter. People want to be handheld with this decision on Chris Thompson. It's tough, but what a great. Thank you for giving us your context. Yeah, thank you for telling Alvin Camara David Montgomery. Montgomery is going to miss time. This is why league context matters. We can't just tell Everybody, go spend 50% of your fab budget on Chris Thompson. If you're four running backs deep on your team, you don't have to do that or anyone.

[Unknown]

I would not spend 50%.

[Jason Moore]

Even this fine gentleman.

[Unknown]

Yeah, no, no, no. You don't have to do that. Like, you go.

[Andy Holloway]

I know my number. You know?

[Unknown]

Okay, then give your number.

[Andy Holloway]

My number for this specific situation where you really need.

[Jason Moore]

At the same time.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, I like that. I like that. Get your number right there.

[Jason Moore]

It's a percentage. You're saying your percentage.

[Andy Holloway]

Percentage. 1, 2, 3.

[Jason Moore]

23%.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Mike's out for the podcast, so Mike was 7%.

[E]

Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

You guys.

[Unknown]

I am loving this. Well, you guys are that in on top of 26%.

[Jason Moore]

I went 33 for this gentleman. Not for everybody. For this guy.

[Unknown]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

He has no starters.

[Unknown]

I'm loving it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if Alvin also.

[Jason Moore]

You're not getting him, Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. If Alvin Camara sits and David Montgomery is obviously injured, then you don't have anyone to play. You've got to spend up. And the thing is, is when you spend up at the beginning of the.

[Jason Moore]

Season, Mike hates Chris Thompson.

[Unknown]

I just. Wait.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Week one, I just think. Or preseason, you're getting more value for your budget. I mean, you. You get the entirety of whatever Chris Thompson plays as opposed to when, you know, you're in week 12 and you're spending 12, you know, percent of your budget, then you don't get as much. So if that's why I'm willing to spend up in the preseason and week one higher than normal.

[Unknown]

No, I'm all in on Chris Thompson, believe me. It's just trying to think through how in are other people. The, you know, the home leagues out there, the just the consensus out there. I feel like it's not very high on Chris Thompson. In fact yesterday all of the questions were is it right? Well, Armstead, they were focused on other players, not. I didn't see much chatter saying how this like this is a huge bump for Chris Thompson.

[Jason Moore]

This is the Austin Eckler season.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

That's the template for your way forward with that type of running back. He's pretty good as a just a straight runner, but he's not prototypical. He's not Ryquill Armstead or Justin Jackson or those players. But how many snap, what's the snap breakdown going to be right for Chris Thompson? That's the question. And if you have David Montgomery, I mean if he. Let me put it this way, Mike, if he has an option to pick up Tariq Cohen, but you can pick up Chris Thompson, would you rather pick up tree Cohen for 5% of fab and play him in David Montgomery stead or would you rather play spend 25% for Chris Thompson?

[Unknown]

I think I would prefer to go the Chris Thompson route because of what I believe Chris Thompson can become. I just say that's it's, it's a risky proposition when you're weighing all factors and probabilities and outcomes of what can happen. That's, it's a bold move. It's certainly a bold move but like to be fair, very different circumstance. But like we've, we've seen these situations before. A couple years ago when Le'Veon Bell all of a sudden was not there at the beginning of the season, it was how hard do you go after James Conner? And I remember we had someone in our league I think dropped 30 something percent on James Conner and it was what have you just done? This is a one week guy. And then James Conner goes off to be one of the best players in fantasy. So like I said, bold. But fortune does favor the bold. I think that the outcome what could happen with Kris Thompson is incredible.

[Jason Moore]

Instagram question is Devonta Freeman worth a late round flyer? Let's make him a stasher trash. Devonte Freeman.

[Andy Holloway]

He is a trash.

[Unknown]

I'm not drafting Freeman.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't, I don't see a place where he could go and really be relevant now. The path forward is he doesn't sign until after an unexpected injury and he basically is a universal insurance policy. Right. That you're taking. You don't know what team he's going to be on. But if you know player X, Y or Z goes down, then they signed a vont Freeman but You're going with.

[Unknown]

Like volcano insurance and you don't live in Hawaii, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, exactly. The reality is that you're waiting for the super.

[Unknown]

Yeah, you don't need to do that.

[Andy Holloway]

Imagine, just imagine here, Todd Gurley gets a big vacation and so he goes away and the role is open for Devonta Freeman to go in and get all those perfect. He knows the system. He's going to get all the work. And he wasn't good last year in the perfect role for him. He's not going to be better going in this year. He's a trash.

[Jason Moore]

Would you feel any different about Freeman in the like Freeman or McCoy? They feel very similar to me in their, like, upside. In their. You know, if Freeman was that third down back in Tampa, I would feel the same about him as I do McCoy, but not much better.

[Andy Holloway]

Honestly, just watching film, I feel like LaShawn McCoy looked better than Freeman last year.

[Unknown]

Yeah, well, that one of them has.

[Andy Holloway]

A job that makes sense.

[Jason Moore]

It's so incredible to me that these running backs that are still the most athletic, better than everybody on earth players that there can be that small little switch that happens may. You know, did it happen to David Johnson? I don't know. But where you go from being in the tippy top of the 1% to like the bottom of the 1% and that difference is like out of the league.

[Andy Holloway]

Devonta Freeman right now is a superstar athlete. I mean, just if you saw him out on the playground shooting some hoops, you'd be like, dang, are you a professional athlete?

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

And he's lost it. It's a sad.

[Jason Moore]

It's just amazing. It's a small, small difference. All right. We want to thank Pristine Auction once again today for sponsoring the show. Devonte Adams signed football cleat. That's pretty sweet. Why didn't we buy that? It was $52.

[Unknown]

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[Jason Moore]

I would like it. I would like it on the set. I'll work on that.

[Unknown]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

10 bucks for free. It's $43 now.

[Jason Moore]

You could have no bucks for free or you can use the code ballers and it's 10 for free.

[Andy Holloway]

I would use the code ballers.

[Jason Moore]

All right, that does it for the Fantasy Football Podcast. Thank you for your support and for reviewing the show on Apple Podcasts. Means a lot and we'll be back with you MVP show tomorrow.

[Unknown]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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