Stat Surprises + Sneaky Trades, Rice Reactions - Fantasy Football Podcast for 5/21

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Fantasy Footballers Podcast - Episode Summary

Episode Title: Stat Surprises + Sneaky Trades, Rice Reactions
Date: May 21, 2026
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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Episode Overview

The Fantasy Footballers dive into offseason surprises from their first set of 2026 player projections, discuss unexpected rankings, and share insights on stat trends that will drive draft strategy. The hosts also react to the latest in the Rashi Rice saga, answer a variety of mailbag questions on strategies, keeper conundrums, and dynasty targets, all with their trademark mix of expertise and humor.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Stat Surprises from 2026 Projections

[04:43 - 13:40]

The hosts discuss players whose projected stat lines surprised them during preparations for the soon-to-be-released Ultimate Draft Kit (UDK), highlighting both bullish and bearish outlooks.

• Mike Wright's Surprises:

  • Mike Evans (WR): Wright ranks Evans as WR21, ahead of consensus and ADP, thanks to a "perfect pairing with Brock Purdy" (07:22).

    "Brock Purdy throws a good deep ball and touchdowns. Mike Evans can do those two things as good as anyone." — Mike Wright [07:35]

  • Derrick Henry (RB): Wright has Henry at RB6, citing opportunity over age:

    "It's a very light depth chart there... They're going to be [using him]." — Mike Wright [08:14]

  • Luther Burden III (WR): Despite loving the talent, Wright is “terrified” with his own projection of Burden as WR30, explaining he’s worried about target competition and Chicago’s passing volume.

• Jason Moore's Surprises:

  • Bo Nix (QB): Ranked QB8, much higher than ADP, due to favorable outlook with Waddle joining the offense, but acknowledges the risk.

    "I feel like it's make or break for Bo Nix to take a step forward." — Jason Moore [09:15]

  • RJ Harvey (RB): 14 spots behind consensus, due to inefficiency concerns and Denver’s pursuit of free agents.

    "The efficiency, the advanced metrics—bad for RJ Harvey." — Jason Moore [10:36]

  • Patrick Mahomes (QB): Has Mahomes at QB20, well below consensus; acknowledges uncertainty about KC offense.
  • Jameson Williams (WR): Ranks Williams WR11, citing his late-season pace and potential under Ben Johnson’s offensive influence.

• Andy Holloway's Surprises:

  • DeAndre Swift (RB) vs. Trayvon Henderson (RB): Despite preference for Henderson, projections came out much stronger for Swift as a mid RB2. "It makes you miserable" to have a lesser-liked player graded higher, but ranking is based on data, not preference.

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2. Rashi Rice Update: Legal & Fantasy Repercussions

[14:31 - 18:42]

• Situation: Rice violated probation with a positive marijuana test, enforcing a 30-day jail stint (already mandated from a previous incident), overlapping with a right knee cleanup surgery.
• Fantasy Impact: Rice will miss minicamp and could face additional NFL discipline.

  "He is so fragile, has no contract for next year, is team dependent. From a dynasty perspective, I'm terrified. From a redraft perspective...I still think he'll be...very valuable." — Mike Wright [17:06]

• Takeaway: High risk, high reward—good for a short-term fantasy window, but volatile in dynasty. The hosts recommended looking to trade Rice when public perception rebounds post-suspension.

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3. News & Notes

[18:42 - 22:12]

• Cam Skattebo (RB): Reports he’ll be ready for Week 1, self-predicts a “2,000 yard season,” but hosts joke about his optimistic math and role in the Giants offense which could be more run-first under new staff.
• Giants QB Competition: “Tua Tagovailoa and Michael Penix are splitting first team reps.” All hosts expect Tua to start Week 1.

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4. Mailbag: Trades, Ethics, & League Tactics

[23:09 – 40:16]

Notable Listener Questions

• Creating Fake AI News to Influence Trades:
  Hosts draw the ethical line between fun league banter/photoshops and misleading, pseudo-real player injury news.

  "I'll say, have fun with your AI—let it be satire, not something that might be real." — Andy Holloway [25:04]

• Sneakiest Trades:

  • Mike recalls trading Aaron Hernandez just before his arrest (“just a fifth, but dodged a bullet literally!”).
  • Jason details trading away Joe Mixon ahead of a value crash.
  • Iconic three-team office trade story—Andy creates it, but is cut out at the last minute.
  • Mike inadvertently sniping Calvin Johnson from Jason mid-deal, ruining Jason’s season but sparking playful rivalry.

• Kyren Williams vs. Blake Corum (Rams RB Situation):

  • All acknowledge risk but agree Kyren is still the “primary starter.”
  • Mike: “Kyren’s a really good player that they have paid a lot of money to be their starter.” [31:57]
  • ADP (RB15) bakes some concern in, but opportunity and usage remain favorable unless the timeshare expands more than expected.

• Kyren Williams vs. Bucky Irving (Dynasty):

  • Team splits, but landing on Kyren for stability and contract, though consensus startup ADP slightly favors Bucky.

• James Cook vs. CeeDee Lamb (PPR Keeper):

  • All would keep CeeDee over Cook in PPR, using current draft value as the main arbiter.

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5. Wide Receiver and Stack Questions

[38:17 – 49:21]

• Bo Nix & Jaylen Waddle Stack:
  Not a top-5 stack “unless Waddle is a true WR1.” Most elite stacks require an “absolute alpha” wide receiver.

• Three WR Leagues:
  Hosts recommend it for depth and strategy, especially in superflex formats.

• Luther Burden’s Dynasty Value:
  Would be picked as high as 1.04 or 1.05 in today’s dynasty rookie draft, possibly above Lemon or Concepcion, depending on team needs and belief in offense.

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6. Budget Tight End Targets for 2026 (Dynasty)

[52:25 – 55:13]

• Best Value Options:
  • Chigoziem Okonkwo – cited as the top “budget” TE with ceiling.
  • Hunter Henry, Dalton Schultz, Jake Ferguson – “real safe” but with lower ceilings.
  • Britain Strange – could spike, but unlikely a volume play.
  • Arande Gadsden and Greg Dulcich – true deep dynasty fliers.
• Conclusion: Okonkwo, Henry, and Schultz are among the sharpest cheap veteran targets for this year.

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7. Malik Willis Quarterback Debate

[54:50 – End]
A humorous, slightly heated debate erupts as the group teases Jason for his “bullish” (QB15 ranking) projection for Malik Willis amid doubts about passing volume.

“All the evidence we have is that Malik Willis can play quarterback. Well, that's the evidence we have!” — Jason Moore [55:13]
“If he throws for 3,700 [yards], he will be a top six quarterback...Remember this.” — Andy Holloway [59:08]

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• “I am supporting the entire golf industry, especially the putting industry.” — Mike Wright [03:52]
• “The best advice for the Foot Clan: If you like something, find a way to make it your living, something your family is required...” — Mike Wright [03:31]
• “Cup of tricks? It's not a bag? He’s got this cup right now…” — Mike Wright/Jason Moore [06:52]
• “I currently live in the Upside Down.” — Andy Holloway [11:46]
• “That’s the only thing that matters. I don’t want people to get too caught up with age or position in a keeper league.” — Mike Wright [37:17]

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Episode Timestamps for Key Segments

• Stat Surprises/Projections: 04:43 – 13:40
• Rashi Rice Update: 14:31 – 18:42
• NFL News & Cam Skattebo: 18:42 – 22:12
• Mailbag: AI Trades, Trade Ethics: 23:09 – 26:18
• Sneaky Trades Stories: 25:17 – 29:32
• Kyren Williams, Corum, and Dynasty RBs: 30:09 – 36:17
• Keeper/Stack Questions: 36:41 – 40:16
• Budget Tight Ends: 52:04 – 55:13
• Malik Willis Debate: 54:50 – 59:11

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Final Thoughts

This episode shines with candid analysis on projection surprises, actionable dynasty and keeper advice, and trademark banter. The show’s dynamic—equal parts sharp football brain and playful rivalry—remains as entertaining as ever.
Essential listening for anyone prepping for 2026 drafts or looking to win with data-driven, up-to-the-minute insight.

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Transcript

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[Mike Wright]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome in. Thanks, boys. Back again, the fantasy footballers. Jason Moore is here.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, I am.

[Jason Moore]

Mike Wright. Present. Accounted for. The fantasy hitman himself.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Far less tired than Jason because he didn't play golf this morning.

[Andy Holloway]

That is also correct.

[Jason Moore]

I'm Andy Holloway. Welcome in.

[Mike Wright]

It's every morning now.

[Jason Moore]

It has. It's. It's been.

[Andy Holloway]

You really did.

[Jason Moore]

Like, Mike is on the outside looking in. He can give the best commentary on what's happened. I mean, in the golf obsession, you did say it was your total and complete identity.

[Mike Wright]

It's just who I am.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, normal people on the outside would call it a psychotic transformation from never. Like, occasionally we'll mention golf and we'll talk about it for a little bit to playing.

[Mike Wright]

I don't.

[Andy Holloway]

Every day.

[Mike Wright]

It is literally every single day.

[Andy Holloway]

And if you don't play, then all of a sudden we get a message. Stopped at the range on my way home. And you're like, okay. He's like, it's 8pm I met. I'm at the simulator. Please, guys. Like, what? Where is your family?

[Mike Wright]

I'm taking my son to lessons on Saturday. What are you talking about? I'm bringing him along. My daughter went golfing this morning.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the way you do it. That's what we did with fantasy football.

[Jason Moore]

It's like, Jason went golfing.

[Andy Holloway]

Gotta find a way to make money on this. Listen, it's just too good.

[Jason Moore]

Jason went golfing on Mother's Day with his wife.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I don't know how I got that one to work, but it did.

[Jason Moore]

Psychotic might be the right word.

[Mike Wright]

Listen, the best advice we can give the Foot Clan is if you have something you like, find a way to make it something you have to do. Your living, something your family is required.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think you're quite ready to make a living on golf.

[Mike Wright]

I'm close, man. Pga.

[Jason Moore]

You know what? You're making the living of others.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I am supporting. I am supporting factors. The entire industry, especially the putting industry.

[Jason Moore]

And when you get into golf, all of a sudden your reels and your. The ads you get served.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jason Moore]

It's a big market.

[Mike Wright]

My algorithm knows who I am.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Your identity to my core.

[Jason Moore]

We have a great show for you today. We are jumping into. Well, a good quick question. We're looking at stuff from our individual projections for the 2026 fantasy season. We've all gone through and made our first draft heading into the, you know, soon to be released UDK here in less than two weeks. And so we're going to mention a few of the names that popped out in terms of, hey, I didn't realize. You know, we go out and we project every player individually, their line for the season, the game's played, every bit of their projection, and then we go look at the rankings, and sometimes we're really surprised. So we.

[Mike Wright]

In both good ways and bad ways. Like sometimes it's like, oh, wow, I didn't realize I was so bullish here. I know there's. There's one I'm going to bring up here in a second. You go, oh, I go, yeah. I don't like this. This is not good.

[Jason Moore]

So, yeah, we have some of those names we're going to bring up real quick. We're going to give away the signed James Cook jersey. A winner has been selected. His name is Brad Davis. Brad Davis.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, Bradley Davis.

[Jason Moore]

Congratulations. I think the team has already emailed you or will momentarily. And you've won a signed James Cook jersey. James cook.

[Andy Holloway]

Congratulations.

[Jason Moore]

The NFL's rushing. The rushing leader. I forgot about that drop. Yeah, that was a little frightening, man. But, yeah, the UDK is just a couple of weeks away. Less than that. You can Check it out. Ultimate DraftKit.com preorder pricing will end when it's no longer a pre order, you know.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, because then it's just order price.

[Jason Moore]

It's just ordering.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So quick question of the day though. Let's start with Jason stat surprises in the UDK you went through, you looked at all the names and numbers.

[Mike Wright]

So three names that stood out to me. Basically different than I think what consensus is for better or worse, Mike Evans, Derek Henry and Luther Burden. The third, Mike Evans was high. He was my.

[Andy Holloway]

Luther Byrne, the 30th wide receiver. Jason.

[Mike Wright]

I know, man. This is the one. This is the one where I see it. So here's the truth. I am terrified of it. I just literally yesterday watched more Luther Burton film. The way he moves is incredible. I love the guy. And then I go and I look at, I look at the Chicago Bears and I stat them out and I Rome is going to be involved and I don't think this is a world where you've got Caleb Williams throwing for 4,600 yards. I just don't. I don't think that's the identity of the team. I don't think that that is the Bears normal method. I don't know if that's in Caleb Williams, you know, cup of tricks this year.

[Jason Moore]

The cup of tricks. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Well, it's not a bag. He's got this cup right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Or a bull because those are for.

[Mike Wright]

I have him over 100 targets, you know, six and a half touchdowns and you know, it's not a bad line. But it's certainly if the Bears turn out the way that I view the Bears turning out, it's going to be very difficult for him to capitalize on where you're drafting him. Way ahead of that.

[Jason Moore]

So your three numbers, I don't think you said them all.

[Mike Wright]

So Mike Evans I've got at 21. That's above where people are drafting him, where most consensus rankings are. I believe he pairs perfect with Brock Purdy, ADP.

[Jason Moore]

I'm seeing 24 right now above ADP.

[Mike Wright]

Brock Purdy throws a good deep ball and throws touchdowns. And Mike Evans can do those two things as good as anyone. He took the money, doesn't throw them. Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean I just want to be fact.

[Mike Wright]

You're on your own fire Mike. And you know, I think it's a perfect pairing. They really need him, especially with George Kittle, Juwan Jennings being gone. Like there is huge opportunity there and he turned down a contract to go take it. So I believe in Mike Evans this year. And then the other one was.

[Jason Moore]

I believe it's a perfect pairing between their injury style and Mike Evans.

[Andy Holloway]

He's like, no, if I go over there no one's going to be mad if I miss four games.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that'll be the least amount missed by the team.

[Mike Wright]

And then the other one. We talked about this on the mock draft but I've got Derek Henry at 6 which is not outrageous at all where he is being currently drafted. You know, dropping into the third round and a lot of leagues. I get it, he's old. But it's, it's a, it's a very light death chart. Depth chart there.

[Andy Holloway]

Whoa, whoa.

[Mike Wright]

Not a death.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Where's your. Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

And they're.

[Mike Wright]

They're going to be.

[Andy Holloway]

We've been here before when you have made weird things with your throat and David Johnson was never the same charts away.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

So those were three guys that stood out to me as like okay, I guess I'm really high on Evans and Henry and I'm scared about Luther Burton.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean the stats are the stats. Even if that means you hate somebody now my. A couple of names that jumped out. I have Bo Nicks at 8 which is 6 spots ahead of ADP.

[Andy Holloway]

Belief in the bounce back.

[Jason Moore]

I just think the amount I think, yeah waddle helps a lot. Last year was weird. I get it. I feel like it's make or break to some degree for Bo Nix to take a step forward. Just the way I started it out. He ended up at 8. I was a little shocked. I'm not like the biggest Bonix fan

[Mike Wright]

but just it's so crazy. He finished last year as the quarterback six.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And it just feels like no he didn't because it was all.

[Andy Holloway]

So yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I mean being drafted way. I mean there were a lot of injuries last year at the quarterback position too. Players that were Jayden Daniels never was out there. These guys that like Joe Burrow didn't play a full season. So I think he wouldn't have finished at 6. Right. With the points per game on the same team I've got RJ Harvey 14 spots behind ADP.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah take that RJ Harvey.

[Jason Moore]

Really low.

[Mike Wright]

We just recorded. So we're in the middle of recording the hundred player profile videos for the ultimate draft kit which those are exhausting but worth it if you have the udk. Make sure you watch through these. They are very educational for all the relevant players and visually upgraded and visually

[Andy Holloway]

Mike's wall back here.

[Mike Wright]

We were not kind to RJ Harvey

[Jason Moore]

as we no No, I mean the. The team. Oh gosh.

[Andy Holloway]

I knew if I said it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I need those listening at home.

[Andy Holloway]

The neon sign we need. We need one when it's when I could say you could throw it up real quick.

[Jason Moore]

RJ Harvey or this had so much opportunity to secure the leading role last year and then we came into the off season and I understand the numbers enough volume equals numbers no matter who you are. But the efficiency, the advanced metrics bad for RJ Harvey. They spend the off season flirting with every free agent running back. They draft Jonah Coleman, they sign J.K. dobbins. The patience of Sean Payton is. It's not long. So I think that was a surprise to see how low I had him. I've got my homes at 20. That feels weird. I'm not sure exactly where his ADP is. I think it's 12. So well below ADP there and then Jameson Williams. I have met 11.

[Mike Wright]

No one is surprised about that.

[Jason Moore]

I know you're not surprised. That's way above look from I think week seven on 81 for 1408 was the pace. I know Laporta wasn't there. Jamo's a special player. He did a lot with a little the volume increase that happened once they changed offensive coordinator play calling from Morton to Campbell. Campbell has such a heavy hand in this offense. We'll see what happens. But. But I like it. I like the opportunity for Jameson Williams. I think he's still going to be a value. I think people are are two down

[Andy Holloway]

on him and the rankings I'm about to talk about. This is how you know when we go in our we do our projections of how we see a team shaking out that we aren't just saying hey I like that guy and then I'm going to move him up or I don't like that guy I'm going to move him down because I currently live in the Upside down where I have look I've projected Trayvon Henderson player I love. I've projected DeAndre Swift player I have not not said very kind things about Ed Swift is so much higher than Travion Henderson. I have him as a mid RB2. I don't see any way it doesn't happen. Meanwhile Henderson's of and it makes you graphic is great.

[Jason Moore]

It makes you miserable.

[Andy Holloway]

I hate that they're there and I went like I've double. I've triple checked. I've gone into Henderson and you're like how is there anything that we're the account with the.

[Jason Moore]

With the.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, I'm like, oh, double check the math. Half a target share here, half a rush percent here. It doesn't change that I have Swift projected for a much stronger fantasy football player than Henderson. Henderson is like Luther Burden. Things could go so right for that player and then they're just going to be top tier options. But the way I see the Patriots shaking out and the Chicago Bears, who the Bears offense is going to be even, they're going to be even better this year. Imagine that offense. And Caleb Williams completes, I don't know, 63% of his passes.

[Mike Wright]

What does that look, you're asking A little.

[Andy Holloway]

But how good is that team then

[Mike Wright]

that team would be good. It is ironic because I think the team, the Bears, if people are hearing me down on Luther Burden, I think the Bears offense is going to be outstanding. Luther Burton a big part of that. But there's so many talented players there and Swift will be a huge beneficiary.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Mike is, he's really in it with this whole situation.

[Andy Holloway]

But this is, this is what it is, man.

[Jason Moore]

So, yeah, play the mark. You're high on Swift, lower on Travion than you'd like to be.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

And you know, that's another one of the. We did Travion's video for the UDK. You know, there's 100 plus player profile videos. We did Trayvon's and it was like we have to acknowledge the real situation for each of these players. How many people are they sharing the backfield with? What's the true upside based on their offensive line, the chance these teams are around the goal line? I mean, there are a lot of discussions. We did Quinch on Judkins as well, who, you know, we had some, some video come out. He's looking pretty good in his recovery right now, but talking through the Browns in that offense. So definitely check them out in the udk. Let's talk news.

[Mike Wright]

News and notes from around the league.

[Andy Holloway]

Guess who's back again?

[Jason Moore]

Rashi Rice violated his probation by testing positive for marijuana. He has been ordered to serve 30 days in jail, which he was already going to have to serve.

[Andy Holloway]

So it, that is a point of clarification that we can share for people that we have.

[Jason Moore]

That wasn't new. Like he basically what happened was, is he had been ordered through his last legal trouble situation.

[Andy Holloway]

The, the freeway incident.

[Jason Moore]

The freeway incident. He was ordered to serve 30 days in jail, but he had the, he had optionality as to when he would serve those 30 days by violating his probation because his probation stipulated no illegal substances. And in Texas and in Texas, it's an illegal substance. So he had to follow one rule. He couldn't do it. And so the judge basically said, well, guess what?

[Andy Holloway]

You go.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you go right to jail. You go serve your 30 days. Right now we also found out he is recovering from a cleanup surgery on his right knee that he just had.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So he'll be recovering in jail. Yeah, he'll be rehabbing in jail and missing all the practice time with the team.

[Andy Holloway]

Does he get like conjugals from doctors? What he's got to be rehabbing.

[Jason Moore]

I wouldn't. That's not what they'd call them, Mike. And I don't know if you know what that means.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man, I sure hope not.

[Jason Moore]

I hope you don't know what that means. Oh, and. And no.

[Mike Wright]

Whoo. It's going to be a good show.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe he's close with some pt.

[Jason Moore]

That's too close. Matthew Betts, our injury expert, talked about the fact we knew that in 2024 he had the season ending knee injury, the LCL hamstring and PCL. Right. And this surgery, I guess is to remove loose debris. It's a concern for, according to bets, a cartilage injury, which can be common with the previous one he suffered. So legal, medical and really. And decision making. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

It's just he is. He's not someone that you want to rely on. Also contract now for this season. We'll find out if a suspension comes from this. The NFL already looked in, said they weren't going to previously suspend him, but now there is new information violating the parole. He could end up missing games. We'll find out as. However, I think that he will still be good for fantasy this year. I have him on our main dynasty league and I can't.

[Jason Moore]

Is that why you think that.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I cannot wait until he is scoring a lot of fantasy points in week five or week six and I am going to do everything in my power to move on. I don't want.

[Jason Moore]

Because you're in the next shoe to drop.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly. You know, it's not like he can't get out of jail and make another decision that is worse, you know, and then they go and then he has a longer stint. He is so fragile, has no contract for next year, is team dependent. I think if he goes and signs somewhere else and isn't with the Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes thing, I don't know that his skill set just applies to every team. So from a dynasty perspective, I'm terrified. From a Redraft perspective. This is not good. But I still think he'll be, we'll see. Very valuable.

[Andy Holloway]

Because the Shield, they just, they don't like when players show up in the news like this. Even though it was not an additional punishment for Rice, this is now like just flaring it up.

[Jason Moore]

Was this four different incidents. I mean, he, even though he didn't get punished for the last one that got like dropped or whatever, he's still in the news for something off the field and it's disappointing and frustrating. And yeah, I mean, I was like he was ranked very high. I took a couple games off just as a kind of a hedge against the risk of the next decision and the fact he could get a suspension for a game, he could get it for two games. He could be dealing with this medical injury, you know, where it slows him down. I had been trying to trade for him in Redraft in our league of record and thank goodness, oh boy, these two gentlemen to the left of me weren't willing to take a trade off or even send a counter because they could have been out of Rashee Rice for big money that I would never pay now. But yeah, there's your Rashi Rice update of the day and I hope we don't get to have to keep giving them.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, yeah, just like touchdowns only would be great.

[Jason Moore]

Cam Scatter Boo. Yeah, he'll be ready to play in week one according to Cam Scatter Boo. I mean, he's, he's funny. I mean, Jackson Dart did come out and make a comment about the offense being run first. That's one of the things we talk about in the UDK about Jackson Dart when we were debating the merits of him as a breakout candidate. That's how I saw this offense. That's why with Harbaugh taking over versus Dable, that's my one little cautionary worry about this Jackson Dart. How do you protect Jackson Dart from himself some A little bit like you do run the football and the ball

[Mike Wright]

off to Scatter Boo. His quote was, we're going to keep giving it to Scatter Boo until they can stop it. Which last year people couldn't stop it.

[Jason Moore]

So it's just interesting to see what that offense is going to look like in New York because they're probably not starting the year with a healthy Malik neighbors. They lost Wanda, they brought in Isaiah Likely. And then Cam Scatter Boo seems like he's on the way back.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I mean, he said he was going to get 2,000 rushing yards this year.

[Jason Moore]

He did. But he did some. He did like fantasy football math on that. He's like I got 400 yards on a.

[Andy Holloway]

Did he do a 17 game projection?

[Mike Wright]

He did, yeah, Cam.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. I mean we got a. It was like call into the show.

[Jason Moore]

It was great.

[Andy Holloway]

Give us some analysis.

[Jason Moore]

Well, you may have a chance to chat with him soon. To a tongue of Iloa and Michael Panick splitting first team reps just like you want your quarterback position to do.

[Mike Wright]

All right, who wins? Call it now. Week one tua Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Week one tua

[Andy Holloway]

panics.

[Mike Wright]

Cool. All right, let's move on. I don't want to answer that question.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I was brutal. I could have said two and you wouldn't have to, but. Okay, well then, so you have to answer it now.

[Mike Wright]

Then I will say I think two wins. I think he's the better quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we'll take a break and come back with some mailbag man. Yeah. Haves and have nots in the quarterback area. Right? The story of the NFL. Back in a moment. Have you ever wished you could make something happen just by thinking about it? Well, WIX may have just answered your prayers. That's right. WIX has done it. Their new Harmony editor makes it so easy to create a website exactly how you imagined it that it's almost like you're just thinking out loud. Experience the new way to create websites with WIX Harmony. It's a hybrid website editor that offers the perfect blend of AI and precise drag and drop tools, introducing the world to the next generation of website creation. I mean I grew up building websites on my own. It is so much easier to build them now. WIX has it on lock switch back and forth between AI prompts and hands on editing. You can build the exact website that you want the way that you want. So easy. And you can also rest easy knowing that your WIX site is backed by 99. So you want your site online all the time. That's all the time. And enterprise grade security, no add ons required. Check it [e-mail] Harmony

[Andy Holloway]

today we're talking about how you don't have to earn more when you can save more. Okay, so you brought me this stat. T mobile customers had the lowest wireless bills versus Verizon and AT&T over the past five years. That seems surprising.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, when I first heard it I thought okay. But when the experts at Harris X broke it down, it was true for millions of families.

[Andy Holloway]

They have a five year price guarantee on experience plans and America's best network. Plus lower bills. I'm not hearing any sacrifice here, which

[Jason Moore]

is what people need right now. Reliability, predictability, affordable wireless service isn't a perk, it's a difference. And listeners, if you don't believe me, you can check it out@t mobile.com Switch Best mobile network based on analysis by Ooklift Speed test intelligence data 2H2025 Price guarantee on talk text and data exclusions like taxes and fees apply. Savings based on Harris X billing snapshots from Q3 21 to Q425 compared to AT&T and Verizon, excluding discounts, credits and optional charges. For more details, see HarrisX.comT Mobile Savings.

[Mike Wright]

Mailbag.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we are into the mailbag answering your questions. Looks like we got a voicemail question to start us off. If you want to send your question into the show, you can go to the website thefantasyfootballers.com click the submit a question button. Or you can dial our voicemail hotline. 302464TFFB let's kick it off.

[Andy Holloway]

What's up ballers? I was wondering if it has ever come up for you guys or what your opinion is on creating AI fake news posts about players and posting them in league chats to tank people's perceptions and values on the player in order to trade for them. Not saying I do this, but it has come up. I'd love to hear what you guys think. Thanks.

[Mike Wright]

A whole new.

[Andy Holloway]

So the first half is a whole new. Because we've had Photoshop, we've had. There's ways that you can, you know, like just on your screen edit a website and their, their headlines. That, that has been done several times to great joy by us. But it is, it's always so far out of the realm of possibility that you don't. It's not like so and so sprains ankle out four to six weeks. You're like, you can't do that.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's on the same. That's on the same level of like a player tears his ACL and then the next day you're like trying to trade him and make sure the other person doesn't know it happened. Like it's funny.

[Mike Wright]

This. This would be worse than that. You are making up the lie. So have fun with your AI and your fake stuff.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, abducted by aliens.

[Mike Wright]

Let it be fun because that, that can be enjoyable.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, over the years we have joked that we should make an alternate podcast that gives the opposite advice that you could give to your friends. Yeah, but no fake news as funny as that might be. I don't think we're in on that.

[Andy Holloway]

As long as it's funny, it has to be satire, not just sort of might be real.

[Mike Wright]

Entertainment purposes only.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

We got an Instagram question. What is the sneakiest trade that you have done or influenced to benefit yourself?

[Mike Wright]

Well, I know mine. I got two trades. One awesome, one terrible. The ridiculous one I didn't make with you, Andy, for Saquon. And sneaky, but sneaky. I traded a guy for a fifth round pick in our league of record.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my gosh.

[Mike Wright]

You know. You know the one. It was, it was. There was some news.

[Andy Holloway]

Just lay out some news.

[Mike Wright]

There was some news coming out about May.

[Andy Holloway]

This was. This was over a decade ago. Right.

[Mike Wright]

So it was a while ago. But Aaron Hernandez.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my gosh.

[Mike Wright]

Might or might not have killed someone. We don't know. The news was looking bad. He might get arrested. I'm like. And everybody saw this news. This wasn't me, like, right. Pulling something over the wool on someone's eyes. But I was like, I'm out. I'll take anything. And I traded him for a fifth. And I think it was like the next day he was just arrested and never got out of jail again.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

That's sneaky.

[Jason Moore]

You do. There are Ripcord moments. I did it last year with Joe Mixon in the off season.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, you did. That's a good one. That's a great example.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that one was the worst.

[Jason Moore]

I got a sixth and it felt bad because he was a keeper. But when the. When the bread trail starts and you are. I saw where it was going.

[Mike Wright]

Those were full slices of bread.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, Hansel and Gretel are about to get cooked.

[Jason Moore]

I still feel bad. That was my, like, former co manager that just took over a new team.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

And now I tried to trade her with a Lessons. Tried to trade with him this offseason. He's like, no. He's like, no. He's like, no, not after what you did to me with mix. And I'm like, I didn't know you

[Andy Holloway]

did that to yourself.

[Jason Moore]

I didn't know. I didn't get a first. I got a sixth. But it was better than what Mix you put up, which was.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, they're trading guys who, after you trade them, never do another thing.

[Jason Moore]

Feels pretty and bad. Good and bad. Look, the sneakiest thing that ever happened was in this office.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah. I mean, between these two gentlemen.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, you've got. And already Al Borland's pointing at Papa Josh as though he's not involved. But I mean, those of you that have been around for a while, you'll remember those that are new, Let me introduce you to the story. I came up with a three way trade for Jamar Chase in the middle of the season. And I went through and I, you know, dotted my eyes and crossed my T's and like, I got it to where it was just perfect for all three parties.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

And I introduced it to these guys and we're all talking about it. And somewhere along the way, after I came up with the complicated framework of a three team trade, which is very hard to do, one of these guys whispers to the other, let's just cut Andy out of the whole deal.

[Mike Wright]

And they did.

[Jason Moore]

And I saw that trade go through.

[Andy Holloway]

Wouldn't that make your part of the trade truly indispensable or dispensable? It was like you weren't needed. What do you remember?

[Jason Moore]

That's what they decided.

[Mike Wright]

Bingo.

[Jason Moore]

That's what they even remember, like, what

[Andy Holloway]

the trade originally was.

[Jason Moore]

No, Mike, all I remember is how mad I was when the trade went through. And I thought the trade went through. I got the alert in Sleeper and I was certain it was the trade that was in Sleeper that we were

[Mike Wright]

all like excited to see your trade.

[Jason Moore]

Because on a three way trade, you have to each. All three parties have to. And two of us had already hit the button on yes. So you see the alert and I'm like, I see the names, I see Chase and I'm like, I got him. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

That's based off of your other Jamar Chase trade. It would have been, you get Jamar Chase and you trade away nothing. And then.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, don't poison the well of this trade with my other exploits, okay? My other exploits were ridiculous.

[Mike Wright]

Speaking of other exploits, I thought what you were going to say is the sneakiest is way back in the day when you shared news with me when

[Andy Holloway]

I undercut him that you were getting.

[Jason Moore]

Was it.

[Mike Wright]

Was it Calvin Johnson or someone?

[Jason Moore]

Bro, bro. That was Mike's worst.

[Mike Wright]

And then he trades for him. He's like, oh, he's available.

[Jason Moore]

I tell Mike I have a trade for Calvin Johnson on like. I was like, I don't want to tell you this, but I'm going to tell you it. And we were at a flag football

[Andy Holloway]

game and I was not interested at Calvin Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

No. And I'm just sharing with my buddy the trade I'm about to make. And I go home and Calvin's traded.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, many, Mike, many, many hours later where same Night. I'm just saying you had your chance to close the deal and then I'm like, oh hogwash. I was like this, this would be pretty funny. And it was not funny. It was not funny. It also ruined my season.

[Jason Moore]

So yeah, that's for the best. And there's. And there's their season too. I won the title that year, so eat it. I'm still mad about it. Kyron Williams question from C James. What's up ballers? Am I a fool for being scared about Kyron this year? He has been the consistency king. We have actually talked through this amongst ourselves recently. You're not a fool for. I don't think you're a fool for

[Andy Holloway]

feeling scared, having to be scared of Kyron. I don't think you need to be that far but to nervous to have some concern about what really happened in terms of the percent of running back attempts for Kyron. At the beginning of the year there was a clear shift where his was going down and Corum was going up and Corum was playing well. It wasn't like they're trying out their third round pick and he's out there failing. He was, he was producing for the Rams. So I don't, I'm not completely scared away from drafting Kyren but it is, the timeshare is more real and there is a chance that it becomes even closer this year.

[Mike Wright]

And I see the fact that Blake Corum was good, was more involved in the second half of last year. However, Kyren is their primary starter. He is going to play the majority of snaps. I can't, I do not believe this will be 50 50. And if you look back at the last, the end of last year where the timeshare was more shared it just the last 10 games after that bye week, Kyron Williams pace was 1300 yards and 13 touchdowns. Plus the passing work like Corum doing well didn't mean that did not equal Kyron not doing well. Kyren's a really good player that they have paid a lot of money to be their starter.

[Jason Moore]

I would just say that. I mean it is a math equation though. Like if you do have lower opportunity, you have to have more efficiency. That's what we saw during that stretch. I mean Mike the other day pointed out the change in opportunities or in terms of like what was it? Snap percentage?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it was the running back attempts, running back attempts.

[Jason Moore]

It changed quite a bit. But Kyron became more efficient in that span. He was actually low efficiency before the changeover happened. It does require that to maintain itself or Touchdowns to go way up because Adams is not getting as many or you know, there's a number of ways more involvement in the passing game. There are ways you can turn the dials to where, okay, I don't get as many rushing attempts, but I'm still as successful for fantasy. But it is something to watch. I mean, I like, I'd rather, I'll say this, I'd rather have an offseason where there aren't rumors that my starting running back could be in a 50, 50 timeshare.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

You don't have to believe the rumors. I like situations where they're impossible to be made. That's not one of them.

[Mike Wright]

Counter argument. I really like when I get value when dumb rumors say that there's going to be a timeshare and he drops to the third round and then it's like, oh man, I've just got a guy that's a top 10 running back again. Double digit touchdowns again on the best or one of the best offenses in the league.

[Andy Holloway]

The first two years of Kyren it was a 37% and a 38% workhorse. As in so the percent of teams, you know, targets and running back attempts that dropped to 30% in this past year. So an 8% drop 30 is still fantastic.

[Jason Moore]

Percentage from 87 to 68.

[Andy Holloway]

I care more about the, you know, like the work is 30%. If he stayed there, then Kyron's Kyren will be. He'll crush at where his ADP is. But if that dips down into the mid-20s, all of a sudden it's not looking so great.

[Jason Moore]

Kyron right now is the RB15 in terms of.

[Andy Holloway]

So the risk is there.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

It's like it's baked into the adp.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean but to answer the question, I don't think you're a fool for feeling nervous about how it's going to shake out. But scared is an overplay. They'll be scared just right having, you know, pay attention to it. It's tough because you don't really want to. You don't really recommend in those situations. Go out and get Blake Corum because what happens is the worst case scenario here isn't really, you know, like you're going to have to pay more for Corum than you would a normal hand, handcuff type of backup. Right.

[Andy Holloway]

So yeah, Corum might be just playable.

[Jason Moore]

But so to that point you can't really go out and have both because then you could get in a situation where you just don't know which one to start or you never start? Both on the same week. It's. It's a little weird. I remember Seattle had running back rooms with Carson and Penny and those guys that it was in that boat where it was tough. So just something to be aware of. Ben writes in Dynasty. Follow up question, Would you prefer Bucky Irving or Kyren Williams in a dynasty?

[Andy Holloway]

Dynasty.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, Bucky is what, 22 or something?

[Andy Holloway]

So Kyron will be turning 26 this year.

[Jason Moore]

He's 23. And Bucky will turn 24.

[Andy Holloway]

Bucky will turn 24. So the age is not terribly different. You know, the running back kind of cliff that we talk about of when they're 27, this is kind of the peak value you'll be able to get. They may have a couple more years of production, but if you're going to get out, that's kind of when you got to do it.

[Jason Moore]

I

[Andy Holloway]

think I take. I'm going to take Kyron there.

[Mike Wright]

I think I am as well. I know I'm the Kyron apologist, but he's got three years left on his contract. They could technically get out after two, but that's enough time where you're going to have a real valuable piece.

[Jason Moore]

I'm just looking Kyron sitting at.

[Andy Holloway]

I've got Bucky quite a bit higher in Dynasty.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Our consensus startups have Bucky higher.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. But I'm actually, I'm moving that right now because having just thought about it, I'd take Kyren.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. It's window versus, you know, potential, I think. I think you could definitely end up in a situation where when this season's over, I think it'll be a very clear decision. Let me put it that way. Right now it seems murky, I think, and I'm not saying I know which answer it will be, but I think when this season ends, it will be obvious because either Kyron's going to continue doing what he's been doing and you're going to have four years of it, or Bucky's going to step up into the role or Bucky's going to fade away.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

And I think that's the general fear because you asked this question at the beginning of last year. It's Bucky easy for everybody. So that's an interesting one. So good question there, Ben. Instagram question from Maddie Wills. Full PPR question. Is James Cook or CD Lamb a better keeper in a full PPR?

[Andy Holloway]

So 33 receptions for Cook this past year, 32 the year before. So, I mean, with, with Brady at the offense, that's probably right. Right on target. You know, mid-30s. I think the PPR would. PPR. I'm going to take CD.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, being a keeper, I think a keeper league, not a dynasty. I view this as basically, which player would you draft first? If you're on the clock in a mock draft, are you taking James Cook or CD Lamb first?

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

That's. That's the only thing that matters. I don't want people to get too caught up with age or position in a keeper league.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I'm just thinking of this year.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. So this year, which one are you

[Andy Holloway]

taking first in the ppr? I think I would stick with cd

[Jason Moore]

I do lean that way as well. I mean, I always love having a stalwart number one running back. I mean, if you ask this question, throw some other names in there for Cook. Where does the line get drawn? Because Cook's probably around six in our rankings. Like, if it's Genti or CD this year, who do you take?

[Mike Wright]

CD?

[Andy Holloway]

CD.

[Jason Moore]

If it's Jonathan Taylor or CD this year. Jonathan Taylor.

[Mike Wright]

Jonathan.

[Jason Moore]

CMC.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'll take McCaffrey.

[Mike Wright]

I think that one's tough because I view McCaffrey and James Cook very similarly.

[Jason Moore]

I think Devon A. Channer.

[Andy Holloway]

CD going CD I'll go see.

[Jason Moore]

I take HN.

[Andy Holloway]

I take HN there. Cook is my line. He's my running back. 6. And I'd take the five other running backs before him.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. That's an Interesting one. YouTube question from Brandt. Why wouldn't Bo Nix and Jalen Waddle be a top five stack?

[Andy Holloway]

Why wouldn't?

[Mike Wright]

Well, if Jalen Waddle finishes as, say, the wide receiver, 24, which is in his range of outcomes, not a bad year, but not great, then you're not a top five stack. To be one of the best stacks, you need the wide receiver to be top 12. Yeah, I mean, that's.

[Jason Moore]

That's the only best stacks in football right now. Burrow and Chase for sure. Stafford, Puka, Jason Drake, May and maybe eventually A.J.

[Andy Holloway]

brown.

[Mike Wright]

That will be one of the best.

[Jason Moore]

Hertz and Devontae, Smith, Goff and Amon, Ra, Dak and CD Or Dak and Pickens?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Dak and either. What you're naming there is, I think

[Andy Holloway]

Daxy, Jamar, Burrow are my two.

[Mike Wright]

The wide receivers are absolute alphas. And so for.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Do you believe that about Waddle?

[Mike Wright]

I don't. I think he'll be the number one wide receiver for his team.

[Jason Moore]

It's just wild because, like, what he

[Andy Holloway]

can do Yeah, I mean, he's been

[Jason Moore]

the wide receiver seven, but that was, I know, many moons ago, a long time ago. I don't look at him through that lens of primary alpha either. I do have Bonix higher than I expected because of Jalen Waddle, but not as a. Like, I'm targeting that stack. Sam wants to know our thoughts on three wide receiver leagues.

[Mike Wright]

I think more depth, whenever there's more players that you have to play, it becomes, I think, more fun. Obviously there's a limit to that where you're playing scraps and garbage, but a three wide receiver league is great. I think that if you're in a super flex league, you have to have three wide receivers. That really helps balance it out. It makes more decision making and it can't, you know, the quarterbacks in a super flex league are usually a little bit overpowered. And so having more depth required to start at wide receiver means if you didn't go the quarterback route, you have more optionality. But I love three. Three wide.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I would say that when we did our mock draft episode on Tuesday, what jumped out is the running back cliff. And then how many totally fine wide receivers were sitting there that I. When I looked back at the draft, I was like, man, I wish I had taken a running back there because I would have been totally fine with this guy here.

[Mike Wright]

Which I will say that was the only thought that crossed my mind because I'm. I took CD over James Cook in that question a moment ago. But it did cross my mind where it's like, there is more depth of wide receiver later in the draft. So if you want to, you know, if you're more comfortable grabbing late wide receivers versus late running backs. Grabbing the running back. And the first is the way you get there.

[Jason Moore]

Blaze writes in from New York Blaze. When you guys talk about Ted Hurst, I immediately think of Fred Durst.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Could that be a good nickname on this show?

[Andy Holloway]

It's 1999.

[Mike Wright]

I'm sure we can get a drop.

[Jason Moore]

Here's what's important to me is I'm looking at this. I'm looking at this picture of Fred.

[Andy Holloway]

You tell me I get to do like, Fred Durst impressions.

[Jason Moore]

This is what I'm looking at. Yeah, I'm looking at this picture of Fred Durst and I'm already seeing Halloween from one of you guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

From one of you guys. The bread hat. If Mike makes that sound effect when we say, when we bring up Ted

[Mike Wright]

Hurst, I wish it didn't sound like an insult to nickname him Limp Bizkit. But I'm gonna be honest. It does,

[Andy Holloway]

you know, because we're gonna run into you, like, okay, here comes Limp, right?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. There's a warning. Many ways I can go wrong.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm talking like, Fred Durst will never be wrong.

[Jason Moore]

We'll take it under consideration. Blaze. I almost got a spit dick from Jason.

[Mike Wright]

The water was not in my mouth yet.

[Jason Moore]

But I don't know how we don't have Fred Durst on the back wall yet. That's. I'm really disappointed. We'll take a break and see if we can remedy that. More questions after this.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Yeah. When I first heard it, I thought, okay. But when the experts at Harris X broke it down, it was true for millions of families.

[Andy Holloway]

They have a five year price guarantee on Experience Plans and America's Best Network. Plus lower bills. I'm not hearing any sacrifice here.

[Jason Moore]

Which is what people need right now. Reliability, predictability. Affordable wireless service isn't a perk, it's a difference. And listeners, if you don't believe me, you can check it out@t mobile.com switch best mobile network based on analysis by ooklift speed test intelligence data 2H2025 price guarantee on talk text and data exclusions like taxes and fees apply. Savings based on Harris X billing snapshots from Q3.21 to Q4.25 compared to AT&T and Verizon, excluding discounts, credits and optional charges. For more details, see harrisx.comtmobile savings. Welcome back to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. We're in the mailbag. More questions, maybe more nickname recommendations. We'll see. YouTube question from Dresden. Keeper League. We. We keep one rookie every year. Would you keep Scatter Boo or a Mecca? Igbigboo? Emeka Igbigboo.

[Andy Holloway]

I'd. I'd keep a Buka.

[Mike Wright]

I've got both of them around 15 in their position, but one of them is not coming off of a bad injury, so I go abuka as well. Ted Hurst himself.

[Jason Moore]

Ted Hurst has appeared on the back wall. For those listening at home. He does bear a striking resemblance to Fred Durst. To Fred Durst.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll keep workshopping this one, guys.

[Jason Moore]

I just, you know, I. When I. When you think of Fred Durst, what is like the first down?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

What is the first, like, actual memory you have of.

[Andy Holloway]

Of Fred?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Because I cannot. Like, there was some school dance I went to where I remember walking in the. Get him off the screen. Yeah. Come on.

[Andy Holloway]

It's too much.

[Jason Moore]

I remember walking into the. This school dance and that was in. He and Limb Biscuit was playing on the speakers.

[Andy Holloway]

My first one. First was faith from $6 bill, y'. All.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, this has the key. Ted Hurst is screwed. Oh, my goodness. Who, Jason? You. You. You love Ted Hurst.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm a fan.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I'll fire that record up tonight and I'll have some more for you later.

[Jason Moore]

Nathan writes in. Where would you rank Luther Burden if he was in this year's rookie draft? Great question. It's going to be the first round.

[Andy Holloway]

It's going to be very high.

[Jason Moore]

Burden or lemon at 5?

[Mike Wright]

I would go Lemon. Maybe you wouldn't. Concepcion is the one where I feel

[Jason Moore]

like I would take Burden above Lemonade.

[Mike Wright]

You would?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. That would be my line right there.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So 104.

[Jason Moore]

I take Tayton Tyson ahead of him and I would take. I take him a four. I think I would but again, I don't have him ranked at 30, so

[Andy Holloway]

I would, as of right now, yeah, I would take him at the 104. But I do see a world where you're like, well, I should have taken. I should have traded the 102 for Luther Burton. I am. I'm very hot and bothered by Mr. Luther.

[Jason Moore]

You are? Yeah. And I. It'll be very interesting. I mean, there are a lot of weapons, but we don't have a problem with that in Detroit. We don't have a problem with that on the Rams. So it's. If you believe what you said about their offense being as good as it could be, no more DJ Moore. There's room. I think there's room.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm sure the, the Venn diagrams of Rome truthers and Luther doubters is a perfect circle because you're just holding on to your Roma dunes.

[Jason Moore]

Like, if you don't. If you have burden at 30 and I'm not. I'm not picking on that, that's fine. Your ranking is fine.

[Andy Holloway]

Rome better be low.

[Jason Moore]

Well, no, I was going to say Rome better be super high or Loveland has to be super high. Yeah, you have to have a couple of these if you think their office is going to be great. That would be like, you know, going to Cincinnati and saying, I got Higgins and Chase low. Like, you can't have a good offense without a huge fantasy production.

[Mike Wright]

Here I have Mr. Loveland very high, and I've got, I've got Rome ahead of Burden. That's just how the chips fell for me. When I was looking at the games played, I realized later in the season when they were. They were a little bit closer together. But I mean, if anyone says they know for sure who's going to have more targets between Rome and Burden, you're, you're. You don't know the future and it could go either way. But I would say to just push back a little bit on the. I do think the Bears offense is going to be very good. But you compared them to the Lions. Like, we don't have a problem with that. With the Lions.

[Jason Moore]

Well, it was a step forward. Comments. I mean, they're the only step forward for them. They were the sixth best offense last year.

[Mike Wright]

But I'm just saying Jared Goff has thrown 4,400 yards, 4,500 yards, 4,600 yards, 4,500 yards the last four years. If Caleb can take that leap up to 4,500 yards, oh, my gosh. Luther Burton's going to be amazing.

[Andy Holloway]

63%?

[Mike Wright]

Yes. So, I mean, a few hundred yards. That is part of the issue for me is just how big a step forward can Caleb Williams take?

[Jason Moore]

If you only look at the games where he threw for a million yards and you project them over the year, he throws for a billion yards.

[Mike Wright]

That's just so. You know, man, that's some good analysis. What did Caleb Williams throw last year?

[Jason Moore]

It was like 39, 94, something like that. He just wanted to.

[Andy Holloway]

It was the. It was the. You remember when Devonte Adams had never had a thousand yards?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And you were like, he beat.

[Jason Moore]

And you're like.

[Andy Holloway]

Because he had 990.

[Jason Moore]

So I loved it when he hadn't, too. I'd rub that in every week. Braden, Chase Brown or Hampton. He's back to back in our. They're back to back in our consensus rankings. You're on the clock. You've got to pull the trigger. Jason Hampton, Chase Brown. Why'd you say Jason? I don't know. I mean, here's only one of us has Chase Brown higher, and it isn't me or you.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's. This is an easy question for me. I'll take Chase Brown.

[Mike Wright]

I love both these guys, but I would go Hampton.

[Jason Moore]

I think they also went back to. Back in our mock draft.

[Mike Wright]

They are two of my favorite targets.

[Andy Holloway]

Where they're going, like, Hampton could have, like, a Chase Brown season, if we're lucky.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Can Chase Brown have another Chase Brown season?

[Andy Holloway]

He's had two or one and a half, if you want to call it that.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Safest wide receiver that you would take in round three to be your wide receiver. 1. So these are always fun questions. I think this one's from a Zerb Azerb. Was that the name?

[Andy Holloway]

Zerba Boy.

[Jason Moore]

Zerb.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

Some sleeper ADP wide receivers going in that range. Pickens, Olave, Rice, Brown, Higgins, Tet, Higgins,

[Andy Holloway]

Ted, are, like, right on the verge, I think.

[Jason Moore]

I think the bigger question there, like, I don't. I don't have a problem with Tet as my one. I don't have a problem with Pickens as my one. I think I get nervous about Olave.

[Mike Wright]

You really do.

[Andy Holloway]

So you. You're going to go McMillan over Olave?

[Jason Moore]

I would, but I have McMillan pretty high. I mean, I. I do. I don't know. Like, I think Olave was pretty. The touchdown numbers were getting a little wild, weren't they, last year for Olave?

[Andy Holloway]

Let me remember.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he had a stretch of.

[Andy Holloway]

He finished the season with nine. He had a good amount of them. Towards the end.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. He scored in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 of his last seven games before the injury. You bring in Tyson, you bring in Achan Jr. He was a one stop shop there. I feel a little more nervous about Olave mix injury with it too.

[Mike Wright]

AJ Brown is the easy answer but the question is if he's traded to New England, does he stay in the third round?

[Jason Moore]

I mean I would have said Rice as well before this news which I maybe should still say.

[Mike Wright]

I think he'll be good but the question was safest and I would say there is nothing safe with Rice.

[Jason Moore]

I feel the safest with Tet.

[Mike Wright]

His youth and position is.

[Jason Moore]

Everybody else there competes with somebody.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I mean they all Ted's number one.

[Mike Wright]

It's funny that the ADP I'm looking at actually has Garrett Wilson later in the fourth. Doesn't apply.

[Jason Moore]

Fine with that too.

[Mike Wright]

I feel fine with Garrett Wilson as my one.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. YouTube question from Sin G. Best budget tight end for 2026 in Dynasty. Obviously you have the top guys in McBride, Bowers, Loveland, Warren, Phantom, but they're expensive, hard to acquire. Who's Your surprise top 10 tight end this year? Last year, Juwan Ferguson, Goddard, Henry all snuck into the top ten chick.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. If you're going with the. The budget tight end.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, nice.

[Andy Holloway]

Okonkwo could be someone.

[Mike Wright]

Okonkwo. Yes, that's it.

[Andy Holloway]

I think that's the. I think that's the bit.

[Jason Moore]

I have Henry at 9. Henry feels and I hate it.

[Andy Holloway]

So the Henry feels Schultz at 10.

[Jason Moore]

They.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. But they feel like real safe. They're going to be nine or they're going to be right around there. If Okonkwo hits, it's better than those. I think that the ceiling is much higher.

[Jason Moore]

I mean Ferguson could be an answer to that.

[Andy Holloway]

He needs George or CD to not play.

[Jason Moore]

I mean I still think yeah, maybe.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh dude. The numbers when they're both on the field.

[Jason Moore]

I know but he got banged up, didn't he? I thought Ferguson got banged up.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't recall he played all 17 if that's what you mean by banged up.

[Jason Moore]

Definitely what I mean. I mean so I mean he had a. He had a tight end. 7, 9, 12.

[Andy Holloway]

He is. He is very, very capable.

[Jason Moore]

Just the word budget came to mind. When I think about Henry, Schultz, Ferguson, they're out there on a lot of snaps. Britton Strange could be in that category.

[Andy Holloway]

Britain Strange will have spike weeks but he just doesn't seem like someone who's going to. He won't overtake all the other guys.

[Jason Moore]

Do you have any other names, Jason?

[Mike Wright]

I don't know. Maybe with the arrival of Najoku Gadsden could be budget in a Dynasty league. I'm certainly still very in on Arande Ariana Gadsden.

[Andy Holloway]

Nice. And then don't forget about Greg Dulcich. This is. This is super budget. Super budget. They were in the super budget area here.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, that's like waivers on Dynasty.

[Andy Holloway]

Right? But he is at Miami. He finished. You know, these aren't like sensational numbers, but 41 yards, 46, 46, 58. If you're doing that all year long, that's 1,000 yard wide receiver. And he. No one's drafting him and they don't have anybody. What if Malik Willis is truly good? And then who's the number one option there besides H hand?

[Jason Moore]

The Malik Willis discussion is just. That one's like, totally funny to me because all the evidence we have is that Malik Willis can play quarterback. Well, that's the evidence we have. We just don't have much of it on Green Bay. On Green Bay? Yeah. Well, I mean, there you go. I mean. Well, the only thing that we can point to possibly for Malik Willis is what he did on the field. It doesn't. He didn't get to choose how often he played, but he played.

[Mike Wright]

But he's the only team he played for.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. In recent history.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, now those are some qualifiers.

[Jason Moore]

You want to go back to rookie year? Malik, he didn't get signed off of that. Right? He got signed off of what he did in Green Bay. I just think it's funny. This is exactly my point. Thank you for making it for me. You can't talk about him doing well. Nobody's allowing it. Oh, he played really good. Oh, it's only three games. Oh, he played really well. But what about before? He played well, like way back in the past, like four years ago as a rookie on a different team. I just think it's funny. Nobody can acknowledge that Millie Gwillis can throw the football. I can acknowledge, even though teams fought for him in free agency, I can

[Mike Wright]

acknowledge that he can run the football.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my gosh. Did he. Did he play well in his Green Bay starts? Did he throw the ball well?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, he did. Yes.

[Mike Wright]

But not, I mean, for fantasy purposes.

[Jason Moore]

No, just for real life.

[Mike Wright]

No. I mean, the whole point of this conversation was supporting the tight end of Greg Dulcich. I don't think he's going to throw prolifically for a bunch of yards. That's my point.

[Jason Moore]

Based on even if he's even.

[Mike Wright]

You're basing that on the evidence of Green Bay. I mean he wasn't putting up huge yardage numbers.

[Jason Moore]

Was he got to start one game last year he threw for 288 yards. Is that good enough?

[Mike Wright]

What about his other two starts?

[Jason Moore]

He didn't have any more last year. The year before is 122 and 202 and that was the beginning of the previous year. I, I don't know. I mean the door is not allowed to be cracked open for Malik Willis to throw for 300 yards. That's what I think.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not.

[Jason Moore]

I'm hilarious.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not as bullish as you are.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not saying he will. I'm not out.

[Mike Wright]

But. What?

[Jason Moore]

Hold on. I'm not bullish. I'm not saying he's going to do it. I'm saying that I'm open to the idea.

[Andy Holloway]

As am I.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

No, as I think he's due to the evidence. He is doing it. He is a. I'm open to him doing it.

[Andy Holloway]

He is a great late round pick.

[Mike Wright]

Do you think he will do it?

[Jason Moore]

I'll tell you what I haven't projected for. How about that? Wouldn't that be the best evidence?

[Mike Wright]

That is the best evidence.

[Jason Moore]

The best evidence. I hope I haven't projected 3951 yards passing.

[Mike Wright]

3900. Okay. So you definitely.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. You think it's going to happen?

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Is that what I said? Is that what that means?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. You have him throwing for. That's more than Caleb Williams threw last year, right?

[Andy Holloway]

No, that's right around there.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Caleb Williams about 5 yards more.

[Jason Moore]

I think it was 39. 51 divided by 17 is 232 a week. Whoop dee doo.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I mean you heard it here from Andy Holloway, Malik Willis. Greater sign. Caleb Williams.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

More prolific pass.

[Mike Wright]

Just as a passer.

[Jason Moore]

Chicago makes it feel like you can't. Like that's a big number. Chicago makes you feel like 4,000 is impossible. You have, you have hundreds of players do this all the time.

[Andy Holloway]

I will say. Let's see. Last year was. Last year there was only six of them.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, shut up, Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

There were injuries like Burrow definitely would have been a 4,000 yard guy. Lamar, maybe. Yeah. Cross,

[Jason Moore]

I wanted to try to find the. So there were six last year. Over 4,000.

[Andy Holloway]

Correct.

[Jason Moore]

It's probably a tall task.

[Andy Holloway]

It's funny because 4,000 doesn't sound like a lot.

[Jason Moore]

I mean it's 230 a week. I mean that's what it is. It's 230 a week.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't disagree with the math.

[Jason Moore]

We always joke about like 202 is a good streaming quarterback number.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's just the.

[Jason Moore]

I am not nerfing numbers. As we speak. Al sees me over here, he thinks I'm tweaking my numbers down. Malik Willis for the record, is my quarterback. 15 and six point leagues. Don't ask me about it. Don't ask me about four points.

[Mike Wright]

I love that you preempted what you knew was coming.

[Jason Moore]

He's number six

[Mike Wright]

if he throws for 4,000 yards. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

39, 51.

[Andy Holloway]

That is for sure.

[Jason Moore]

How dare you.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll tell you what. If he throws for 3,700, he will. He will be a top six quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

Such a good pick.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Do it. Remember this.

[Andy Holloway]

Do it. Willis.

[Jason Moore]

Remember this. Under one circumstance that he does it. All right, we're done. Oh, now get that off of me.

[Andy Holloway]

The spotlight.

[Jason Moore]

All I was doing is trying to defend the honor of this man who got a big contract.

[Mike Wright]

You defended it.

[Jason Moore]

So Only for playing well. And nobody acknowledges the chance for 230 yards. You're crazy. He's going to be on my team.

[Mike Wright]

Apparently.

[Jason Moore]

And that is it for today's episode. Fantasy Wild Cards on our next I

[Andy Holloway]

saw Max hall beat the New Orleans Saints.

[Jason Moore]

He didn't get paid 500 bazillion dollars in the off season. Fantasy Wild Cards on Tuesday. The ultimate draft kit is 11 days away. Preorder it@ultimate draft kit.com you do not want to lose at your draft. That is the foundation you get to set for your entire year. Tons of tools. We've been building out the UDK for over 10 years now, adding more and more resources, making it easier and easier to use the apps, the online experience. All of our sleepers, breakouts, busts and values that we all agree on are inside of that tool. We've got so many new things coming. You do not want to miss out on it. And it's pre order price. So. Ultimate Draft Kid.com I'm going to go figure out this whole Malik Willis situation. Maybe buy a jersey. Apparently. I don't know. But we're saying goodbye. So thank you for joining us for the Fantasy Footballers farewell.

[Andy Holloway]

Goodbye.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on JoinTheFoot.com and follow us on Twitter. The FFballers.

[Jason Moore]

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