The 2025 “My Guys” Episode! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/15

Summary

Podcast Summary: The 2025 “My Guys” Episode! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/15

Podcast Information:

• Title: Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast
• Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
• Episode: The 2025 “My Guys” Episode!
• Release Date: August 15, 2025
• Description: The Fantasy Footballers provide expert analysis, strong opinions, and matchup-winning advice to help you dominate your fantasy football leagues.

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Episode Overview

In this special "My Guys" episode, the Fantasy Footballers—Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright—dive deep into their top player selections for the 2025 fantasy football season. The hosts reveal their three "My Guys" for the upcoming season, offering detailed insights into why these players are poised to be standout performers in fantasy drafts. The episode also covers breaking news, including updates on player suspensions and injuries, and provides listeners with strategic advice on maximizing their draft picks.

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Breaking News and Updates

Rashi Rice Suspension Update

• Timestamp: [04:29] - [10:00]

  The hosts revisit previous discussions about Rashi Rice’s potential suspension and its impact on his draft value. Initially believed that his suspension would occur before the season start, limiting him to missing only a couple of games, new information reveals his disciplinary hearing is scheduled for September 30th. This timing suggests Rice might only miss the last two weeks of the regular season, allowing him to contribute during the critical playoff weeks.

  Andy Holloway: “It's a gamble. You take him if you get Rashi Rice in the sixth, seventh, eighth round...”

  Jason Moore: “I like getting off to a hot start and I... I like the fact that if I draft this... I can play him to start the year.”
  (Timestamp: [09:27] - [09:30])

Chris Godwin and Shaedon Sanders Injuries

• Timestamp: [10:45] - [11:25]

  Updates on Chris Godwin are discussed, highlighting the likelihood of him missing the first month of the season due to injury, which impacts his early-season fantasy value. Additionally, Shaedon Sanders is unlikely to participate in the second preseason game due to an oblique injury, affecting his availability and draft considerations.

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Revealing the 2025 "My Guys"

The core of the episode revolves around revealing the hosts' top fantasy football picks for 2025. Each host presents their selection, backed by thorough analysis and compelling reasoning.

1. Jameson Williams

• Timestamp: [14:31] - [18:59]

  Andy Holloway selects Jameson Williams as his "My Guy" for 2025. Williams is praised for his versatility, high target potential, and role in the offense. Despite being drafted lower than expected, Williams offers significant upside with his ability to accumulate receiving yards and touchdowns.

  Andy Holloway: “He was the wide receiver 19 last year... He is a true top 12 potential type of wide receiver with the physical gifts, skills and abilities that he has.”
  (Timestamp: [16:21] - [16:21])

  Jason Moore: “George Kittle... I prefer Kittle.”
  (Note: This quote seems slightly out of context but highlights the comparative analysis in player selection.)

2. George Kittle

• Timestamp: [20:11] - [24:10]

  Jason Moore discusses George Kittle as his top value pick. Despite being a tight end, Kittle’s performance and recent contract extension make him a premier choice. His ability to score in the red zone and sync with quarterback Brock Purdy positions him as a high-value asset in fantasy drafts.

  Jason Moore: “He is a stud. Don't overthink it. Draft George Kittle.”
  (Timestamp: [21:02] - [21:13])

  Andy Holloway: “Why you’re choosing to put this in our show now?... You’ve got to get them on your team.”
  (Timestamp: [25:05] - [25:36])

3. Chase Brown

• Timestamp: [26:49] - [32:35]

  Mike Wright selects Chase Brown of the Cincinnati Bengals. Brown’s breakout performance last season, where he became a reliable workhorse after Zach Moss’s injury, showcases his potential as a top-tier running back. His dual-threat capability as a runner and receiver enhances his fantasy value.

  Mike Wright: “Chase Brown is a true athlete who he fell in the draft and it took him some time to establish and he has established.”
  (Timestamp: [32:08] - [32:25])

  Andy Holloway: “It's really hard to make the case of how it goes poorly for him this season...”
  (Timestamp: [29:17] - [29:49])

4. Amari and Hampton

• Timestamp: [33:03] - [38:16]

  Andy Holloway and Jason Moore introduce a dual selection: Amari and Hampton. Amari Hampton is highlighted for his consistency and high floor, while Jason emphasizes his explosive potential and role in the team's resurgence.

  Andy Holloway: “He is a guarantee to give you... ceiling is so high.”
  (Timestamp: [37:18] - [37:39])

  Jason Moore: “Amari on Hampton,” followed by analysis on their college performance and NFL potential.
  (Timestamp: [32:35] - [38:16])

5. George Pickens

• Timestamp: [39:02] - [43:59]

  Jason Moore presents George Pickens as a wide receiver undervalued in drafts. With his exceptional performance in training camp and a strong rapport with quarterback Dak Prescott, Pickens is poised to deliver monster games, making him a top pick in the later rounds.

  Jason Moore: “Monster games. He is a lock as a top 24 wide receiver.”
  (Timestamp: [43:21] - [43:50])

  Mike Wright: “George Pickens... he is a, he is a contested catch, awesome deep threat.”
  (Timestamp: [43:02] - [44:10])

6. Trevo Henderson and Tetaroa McMillan

• Timestamp: [46:34] - [62:41]

  Mike Wright discusses Trevo Henderson as a second-round rookie with explosive speed and top-tier pass protection skills, making him a valuable fantasy asset despite being drafted later. Jason Moore introduces Tetaroa McMillan as another late-round wide receiver with high upside, likening him to notable predecessors like DeAndre Hopkins and Julio Jones.

  Mike Wright: “Trevo Henderson... best pass protector of the class.”
  (Timestamp: [47:32] - [48:12])

  Jason Moore: “Tetaroa McMillan... he is a stud.”
  (Timestamp: [59:45] - [62:41])

7. Tyler Warren

• Timestamp: [62:27] - [67:11]

  Andy Holloway selects Tyler Warren, a rookie tight end for the Indianapolis Colts, as his third "My Guy." Warren’s exceptional college performance and promising role in the Colts’ offense make him a high-upside pick. His ability to adapt and become a primary target in the offense underlines his fantasy potential.

  Andy Holloway: “He is an athlete... he's the drive of the offense.”
  (Timestamp: [50:23] - [52:17])

  Jason Moore: “Ameca Abuka... I am in love with him.”
  (Timestamp: [52:18] - [56:32])

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Strategic Insights and Recommendations

Throughout the episode, the hosts provide strategic advice on how to utilize these "My Guys" effectively in fantasy drafts. They emphasize the importance of targeting high-upside players in the later rounds and exploiting market inefficiencies where certain players are undervalued. By balancing consistent performers with breakout candidates, fantasy managers can build robust teams capable of securing championships.

Jason Moore: “You want to have your own lyrics episode. Welcome. And we're doing well today. This is a big day.”
(Timestamp: [01:50] - [02:16])

Andy Holloway: “It's the ONE Fantasy Football Podcast you can't leave off your roster.”
(Timestamp: [06:32] - [06:33])

Mike Wright: “It is a guarantee to give you. Like, his. His floor is so high, but his ceiling is so high.”
(Timestamp: [37:18] - [37:39])

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Conclusion

The Fantasy Footballers deliver a comprehensive guide to their top fantasy football players for the 2025 season, blending in-depth analysis with insightful commentary. By identifying undervalued talents and breakout prospects, the hosts equip listeners with the knowledge needed to make informed draft decisions and dominate their leagues. The episode underscores the importance of strategic drafting and staying ahead of player trends to maximize fantasy football success.

Andy Holloway: “Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast.”
(Timestamp: [66:41] - [67:01])

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Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway: “He is a guarantee to give you... ceiling is so high.”
  (Timestamp: [37:18] - [37:39])

• Jason Moore: “I like getting off to a hot start and I... I like the fact that if I draft this... I can play him to start the year.”
  (Timestamp: [09:27] - [09:30])

• Mike Wright: “Chase Brown is a true athlete who he fell in the draft and it took him some time to establish and he has established.”
  (Timestamp: [32:08] - [32:25])

• Jason Moore: “He is a stud. Don't overthink it. Draft George Kittle.”
  (Timestamp: [21:02] - [21:13])

• Andy Holloway: “It's really hard to make the case of how it goes poorly for him this season...”
  (Timestamp: [29:17] - [29:49])

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

The Fantasy Footballer studio is sponsored by Walmart. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, welcome in. What, you wanted a My Guy?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, of course I wanted a My Guy time. Of course I wanted it because you know what? It's My Guy time.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, that's fine.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

That's fine.

[Jason Moore]

I'm the captain now.

[Andy Holloway]

Friday, August 15th, the fantasy footballers. It's a you write a song, it's a My Guy. You want to have your own lyrics episode. Welcome. And we're doing well today. This is a big day. It's a one of one. It's the My Guy Show. It is the 11th My Guy show according to Kyle. If you count the Dante Pettis pivot, this will give us 100 my guys all time.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, then we count it.

[Andy Holloway]

So we're going to count it. The five days of Dante Pettitz, or whatever it was. But today we'll be revealing our three my guys, the flag plants for the 2025 season. The players that we are most excited about that represent a player that we fundamentally believe in their talent, what they represent in your fantasy football drafts. It is Friday, August 15th. You never know what wild cards are coming down the way. But we are, we're going to reveal them here on the show today. There's been a lot of predictions out there. I know you two both put a post up that was, you know, people trying to guess them. Did anybody nail it? Did anybody get the Three names on your list.

[Jason Moore]

I did not. Yeah, I haven't gone back after the first few hundred, but I did not see one in the first few hundred that nailed all three.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike, did you have anybody that got close?

[Mike Wright]

I have not, but I'm gonna. I'm gonna run this thing through and see if we. I'll double check it right now, but I haven't seen a three for three yet.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, so we'll get into that very shortly. Start revealing the my guys for 2025. We've got some news. We got some news we got to cover. It was breaking yesterday right when the show released about Rashi Rice. We'll talk about that shortly. We've got time for some mailbag potentially today. We've got the UDK for Life giveaway. It's Friday, which means we want to remind you the live stream is Monday. So your. Your opportunity to pick up the UDK before the giveaway is. Well, we're almost out of time here. Monday afternoon, we'll be doing a live stream event, answering more questions and giving away an ultimate draft kit for life as well as a signed Jamar Chase jersey. So the way you win that, go to ultimate draft kit.com. make sure you have picked it up. If you've already bought it, if you're already an ultimate member, you're already entered to win.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. If you're. If you're in the Ultimate Foot Clan subscription which comes with the udk, you are automatically, if you did this, you know, last year and you're signed up, you are in the running for it forever.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's jump right into that news.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league, presented by Progressive Insurance.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, we did the mock draft show. We talked about Rashi Rice later in the episode. We talked about him going in the eighth round and whether that was a good place for him to go in light of a suspension that is on the way at that time. The assumption, like Jordan Addison, was that the suspension would occur before the season began and it would be anywhere from two day games. We got word yesterday morning that from Adam Schefter and others, Rashi Rice's disciplinary hearing is now scheduled for September 30th. So that means there's a lot of games before September 30th. He's likely to play the first four weeks of the season. The Chiefs play against the Chargers in week one, then Philadelphia, then on the road against the Giants, and then Baltimore. It's a gauntlet. For those first four weeks. Every expectation on the draft cost of Rashi Rice was based on, hey, at some point I'll just get him back and then I'll have him for the fantasy playoffs and for the stretch run. And he represents. I mean, you made the case yesterday or two days ago on the mock draft. That was yesterday.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

You made the case that, like, the reason you're willing to spend the draft capital is because he represents a wide receiver. 1. It was different than the Addison argument.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. What's funny is, you know, we're doing the My Guy episode today and spoiler, Travis Kelsey is not one, but I do know. No, he was on. He was on the somewhat short list for Andy. I kind of toyed with him, I think right now before today. The idea that Travis Kelsey gets off, you know, the first four, six, eight weeks gets off to a hot start.

[Andy Holloway]

When older players, they're better at the front half of the year.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So it made a lot of sense as a draft pick, but this news really hurts Travis Kelsey as a. As a draft pick for getting off to a hot start. I mean, obviously we still expect Rushy Rice to miss time this year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So I was going to lay the rest of that out. By the way, 2015, my guy, Travis Kelsey was Mike's and he was Mike's. My guy in 2015. That was a long 10 years ago.

[Jason Moore]

Seems like a good one, though.

[Andy Holloway]

But the situation is that Rashi Rice is going to probably play the first four weeks, have this hearing. We don't know whether it will be an immediate suspension. We think it probably will be at this point. That will be two to eight games. You also now have a bye week, Right. You've got week 10 by week.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Bye week. So just to paint the worst picture here for your Rashi Rice gamble in the draft, it's. You spend a pick on him, he plays four weeks. If he got to spend at eight weeks, which is in the realm of the outcome, they're expecting two to eight, then you miss another game with the buy. So you would not have him from 5 to 13. And then do you have the confidence coming back in a week 14, 15 that this guy that missed, you know, they get into a groove on their offense, they have all these other players doing things. He's going to come back week one and dominate. That's a tough bet. Like to me, this is worse than the scenario that was already bad.

[Mike Wright]

I totally agree. We are. It's a. You have to be in a holding pattern, but I guess we don't even have time to hold because you won't know he's. I still believe he can be a difference maker. There's a chance because like we're all, we're all three of us expecting six. Is that where we are?

[Jason Moore]

That was my prediction.

[Andy Holloway]

I think Aileen was at 8.

[Mike Wright]

But you're still okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but it's like.

[Mike Wright]

There'S a chance, I guess it's four. And if it's four, then, you know, like the mock draft that happened with the 8th round in a 10 teamer, that's still perfectly fine if it goes to 6 because of the bye week. Now you're really inviting some chaos of just having to hold him on your bench and then really hoping he's ready to go.

[Andy Holloway]

He will be on your bench. It's a tough situation once the suspension happens without IR eligibility. Right. So instead of like trying to hold in the beginning of the year when you don't need. There's no bye weeks right in the beginning of the year. So you maybe can get by with a player sitting there doing nothing. It's harder to have a roster spot filled up for those other weeks.

[Jason Moore]

You can make the argument. I don't really. I don't see this as significantly worse from a strategy standpoint. I prefer to draft players who get off to a hot start. I want players that, you know, I want to start 4 and O. It gives me more room to maneuver and make decisions and trades and waiver pickups that, you know, allow me space and time to prepare for the playoffs. Now obviously, if Rushy Rice gets into week six and then his suspension comes down for eight weeks, okay, at that point you can maybe just drop him, you know. But I like getting off to a hot start and I. We don't know what the suspension is going to be. He's obviously got this meeting on September 30th. I don't know if there's a way to push it into the next year still or not, but still a possibility. But I do like the fact that it's like, okay, if I draft this.

[Andy Holloway]

Guy, you play him.

[Jason Moore]

I can play him to start the year.

[Mike Wright]

So you're.

[Andy Holloway]

I didn't mention the tougher schedule to start the year on purpose. You know, that is one of the things that I think is intimidating.

[Mike Wright]

So where abouts Jay? Are you okay taking.

[Jason Moore]

I'm okay taking him when he's basically not one of my starters.

[Mike Wright]

So round six, seven.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, exactly. I would say round seven, I would pull the trigger still.

[Mike Wright]

Also, I get the NFL. I'm sure everyone there is extremely busy. Like you Know, multibillion dollar industry. I get it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Busy buying ESPN or whatever they're doing.

[Mike Wright]

They can't squeeze this meeting in. Like, what. How. How is it being planned this far in advance when. When they've known about the situation for, like, when did it.

[Jason Moore]

Why do you need this meeting? Did. Did Addison have this meeting or did they just go?

[Mike Wright]

I think they all get a chance to go, like, share their side.

[Jason Moore]

It does feel weird that it's the.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe you need more time to gather information because his. His legal situation was so significant. I don't. I don't know. But that is the lay of the land as of today. What we know, and I'm sure we'll have updates for you, it makes it a. It is a gamble. It's a huge gamble. There could be that. You know, I don't know what the odds are. Maybe it's a 10% chance it gets pushed to another year. I mean, you get surprised. You take him if you get rushed. Rice in the sixth, seventh, eighth round.

[Jason Moore]

And he plays the full season.

[Andy Holloway]

You just stole. So it's. It's wild. Dan Campbell said Sam Laporta, he's going to miss a little bit of time. It's been rumored to be only a few days, though. Still expected for week one.

[Mike Wright]

He said it was not serious.

[Andy Holloway]

Chris Godwin, at least the most recent report from Scott Reynolds, said he would be shocked if he wasn't on the PUP to start the year.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, I expect he's going to miss the first month of the season and then come back slow.

[Andy Holloway]

I have a funny feeling we'll talk about him a little bit more later. Shador Sanders. Yeah. Rashi Rice, Chris Godwin, both my guys. Shador Sanders, unlikely to play in the second preseason game with the oblique injury.

[Mike Wright]

That's a bummer for him.

[Andy Holloway]

And then this is.

[Mike Wright]

This is.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know. Beckham's agent must have paid Tom Pelosi.

[Jason Moore]

He must have paid us. Why are we choosing to put this in our show now?

[Mike Wright]

I didn't know who tweeted it, and I was. Before you jumped, I'm like, oh, I'm going to guess this is Pelocero.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you were right.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, of course it is.

[Andy Holloway]

He's reporting that Beckham has drawn interest from several teams and playing.

[Mike Wright]

Tom's on the take.

[Andy Holloway]

Tom's on the take.

[Jason Moore]

Tom, this is a scratch my back. I'll scratch your sitch. It really is, for sure. The reason he gets some good scoops is because he's like, yeah, okay, I'LL put this out for you.

[Andy Holloway]

Next week will be. Beckham looks better than he's ever looked.

[Jason Moore]

No one All Pro Bowler from several teams is a flat out lie. Like there's. There is. If Odell Beckham Jr. Signs a contract, I'll eat cold SpaghettiOs, whatever. You know, what do you do?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, SpaghettiOs and cottage cheese.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, that's disgusting. During the show.

[Mike Wright]

But it's not cold.

[Jason Moore]

But then I say I don't have to do that because no one's signing Odell Beckham Jr. Oh, I'm not going that far.

[Andy Holloway]

He probably finds a team, but I don't think a bunch of teams are interested and I don't think it's going to be a good deal and I don't think he's going to do anything. But you can eat your humble pie or whatever it is. SpaghettiOs, that was new. He's like, please sign.

[Jason Moore]

I'm really. I've been on a health kick. I haven't had SpaghettiOs in a while. I would really like to.

[Andy Holloway]

Come on. This isn't real.

[Mike Wright]

No, that's.

[Andy Holloway]

That's all right.

[Mike Wright]

What are you trying to do back there, Matt? I was going to hit the breaking news button.

[Jason Moore]

You buffoon. He's trying to.

[Mike Wright]

You're trying to give us fake information during a recording.

[Jason Moore]

Just.

[Andy Holloway]

We got like a slack update that he's coming to Baltimore, but it was just him signing last year. Thanks for nothing, Matt. All right, that was news and notes sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote [e-mail] Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and third party insurers not available in all states or situations coverage subject to policy terms, limits and conditions. It is time for my guys. I was told we were redoing the video drop for my guys this year.

[Mike Wright]

I canceled it.

[Jason Moore]

We should have.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you cancel it?

[Mike Wright]

I don't know. That's retro now, guys. It's cool.

[Andy Holloway]

That is the worst things that I've ever seen.

[Jason Moore]

Horrific. That's just like this episode is too important.

[Mike Wright]

Fantastic.

[Jason Moore]

It's too big for that kind of. Those lips. That's disgusting.

[Andy Holloway]

That was our prime animator. We paid him $0.

[Mike Wright]

I do have a. An update as I see one person did get my three and I haven't scoured Jason's entire one. But at least one person got Jason's.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, really?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, fantastic. Well, we will send you a swag pack.

[Andy Holloway]

Do we? I mean, do you guys want to go first? You want me to go first? What do you want to do here?

[Jason Moore]

Are you either you're up.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm Up. Well, let's get this one out of the way.

[Jason Moore]

Jameson Williams.

[Mike Wright]

James What?

[Andy Holloway]

Williams is my, my guy for 2025. I alluded to the fact very early in the offseason that if his draft cost does not rise significantly that he was most likely going to be here. Jameson Williams is currently going in the late fifth round on sleeper the late seventh round on ESPN. This was the wide receiver 19 last year. He's being drafted at the wide receiver 27. My guy is always around. You know the story of a my guy is draft cost upside potential. Last year over 1,000 yards, seven touchdowns. He gets the end arounds, he gets the rushing opportunity. He was one of nine players in the last decade with 1,000 plus receiving yards on fewer than 100 targets. But what I love about the off season buzz, the vibes, all of the conversations around their offense, he's taking those next steps. He is a true top 12 potential type of wide receiver with the physical gifts, skills and abilities that he has. He is moved all over the field and yet is a full time guy. He was the primary X receiver in two wide, the Z and three wide and then he, he lined up in the slot, in the slot 36% of the time. He runs super high value routes. It's the explosive play type of situation with him post go routes, crossers. He was, you know, on those routes in particular he's targeted more than Chase, more than Jefferson and he's got those kind of skills and abilities. He's the ADR touchdown guy. He's the guy that can go out there and do major, major damage in play action. And unlike previous off seasons, the drumbeat right now is so positive around Jameson Williams.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

And so a true breakout for him. It's very clear that you can go from wide receiver 19, you get those target totals up, you get more of those opportunities. He's a threat for double digit touchdowns. I think those are all within the, you know, the realm of outcomes. And you've got comments this off season. I'll just give you some of that fluff because that's what my guys, you know we're going to bring some of that up. John Morton, I mean their offensive coordinator talks about Jameson Williams. He has been unbelievable, unbelievable in the meetings, the attention to detail, excited to have him out there. It's going to be a breakout year for him. Previous years. It's like he's got a long way to go. He's got to figure a lot of things out. Dan Campbell was always equivocating. We always had Doubts like if you.

[Jason Moore]

Look we used to make fun of the, you know we talk about negative news is more important than positive news this time of year. And we would always bring up the comments like this does not seem good for Jameson Williams and it's completely 180 now.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, no, it's been very, very positive. And when you really look at this like you still haven't seen a full season out of him. That was a, that was a wide receiver 18 finish in. In half point in 15 games last year he played 12 the year before he played 6 as a rookie. You haven't gotten the whole picture of Jameson Williams yet. I don't know if that's why he is discounted right now. I don't know if the perception of Jameson Williams is just wide receiver two, three like that's all you can think about or like it's going to be a very hit and miss and I think you've got the opportunity this year to take it to the next level. So you know to me that makes him a my guy. He's in that perfect range. A couple of years ago Evans was going much later. Finally you know, he was starting with Baker. You hadn't seen that together yet. I'm just very confident about Jameson Williams and the cost has not gone up.

[Jason Moore]

All right, well are you in Mike on Jameson Williams?

[Mike Wright]

Oh no. You're saying yeah, I'm very in on Jameson Williams. The breakout came at the right time to. In his career to keep his draft costs down. You know like had he done this a year ago I think we are not talking about him going anywhere close to where he is going in adp. So I there, there's still, I can still see a path where it doesn't work because you know they, the offense is there. Even the other morning I was reading, I think it was a quote from Amon Ron St. Brown saying like yeah, the offense isn't firing like it had been in past training camps. So like if we change it a little bit it could not work out. But the, but ADP wise for his upside, it's tremendous.

[Jason Moore]

That is the one thing like when I look at Jameson Williams I don't know if I'm as bullish on the full breakout happening. He certainly has the skill set to do it. He has the offense to do it. The path is there. But when he's being drafted as the wide receiver 29 it makes no sense to me. Like it really doesn't. Like he, he finished as a top 20 wide receiver last year with missed games and now he's being drafted way below.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, and the biggest challenge for me actually is how much do I overspend on Jameson Williams?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, we've seen that because we've done mock drafts, because the further you get, the answer's too much.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, there was one, there was a third round one time. But the further you get in the draft, the more you can make that choice. Right. And the more that the ADP is variable and somebody might take a shot. And luckily, when I do my real draft, I won't be announcing all of my ambitions and picks in front of the entire staff like we did on the show yesterday. But, like, I am definitely willing to go up around and take that shot because I want the potential of Jameson Williams.

[Jason Moore]

All right, I'll go next. I'm going to go with the player that I think is potentially and probably the best single value in all of fantasy football. That's my man. George Kittle.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Georgie Porgy, Pudding and pie. Tight ends, San Francisco 49ers. Maybe the best tight end in the league right now. George Kittle's the man. Okay, first of all, smelling salts, they're back, baby. They were outlawed for about a minute. George Kittle called up the office, said, I'm retiring there. Like you can have your smelling salts. Second, he just signed a four year, $76 million extension. He's the highest paid tight end in the NFL. So if you're worried about the age, stop. That's dumb. The camp reports are glowing. Here's from ESPN's Nick Wagner. KITTLE and Purdy have been in sync all camp and continue with the deep ball Tuesday. Maybe it goes without saying, but we'll say it anyways. Kittle has had a tremendous camp. There are zero signs of a drop off and he looks every bit the guy who was the best all around tight end in football in 2024.

[Andy Holloway]

I sent you that quote and I know the first thing you thought when I sent you that quote was it was going to be something bad about George Kittle getting hurt because San Francisco has not avoided the injuries. But he is fine, he is well and he'll benefit from all those injuries.

[Jason Moore]

So here's the thing. In 20, tight end strategy is very similar to how it's been pretty much the last decade. Either go early, early, early on a tight end stud or go late, late, late. Okay, so the earlys are Bowers, Trey McBride and Kittle. Well, if you go early with Bowers, who I love, he's awesome, you do not get Drake London or Jonathan Taylor or Bucky Irving or Josh Jacobs. Those are really impactful fantasy assets. If you go early with Trey McBride, you get no Chase Brown, you get no T. Meet Higgins, you get no Kyron Williams. You're sacrificing real studs. Now if you go early with Kittle, you're missing out on Breeze hall or Terry McLaurin or Alvin Camara.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I want to miss out on Breeze Hall.

[Jason Moore]

If I compare those options between, oh, I got to take one of these three stud tight ends, I'm fine. Missing out on Breeze hall or Terry McLaurin or Alvin Camara and getting Chase Brown and Drake London like that sounds like the path Kittle is too cheap compared to the other elite options. In my opinion. Literally in the uk he's in a tier of his own. He's not moved well, he. Well that much when I put him on the board. He's been like an all year my guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Did he move?

[Jason Moore]

He was in the fifth.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Now if you look at his adp, he's a late round.

[Andy Holloway]

He may have played quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

Sometimes fourth round injuries, sometimes fourth round pick, but he's great. Here is I think the most telling stat. If you, because you say, well, okay, you sacrifice less to get Kittle than the other two guys, but can he be as good as those other two guys? He's older. Those other two guys are alphas. Over the last three seasons we have, you know, a lot of times we're like, oh, look at this eight game sample. Look at this six game, you know, extrapolated to a 17 game pace. We have 38 games in the last three seasons where Brock Purdy has played with George Kittle in full games. 8 without 38 together. In 38 games he averages 12.67 half PPR points. Now if you don't know how that is, like what, how good is that? Last year the number one tight end did not score 12.67 fantasy points. He scored 12.2. That was Brock Bowers the year prior.

[Andy Holloway]

The number one good.

[Jason Moore]

It's number one good. The year prior, CM LaPorta scored 11.5 fantasy points per game in 30 games together. Yeah. And so what's crazy is it used to be George Kittle, this amazing yardage guy, such a great yards after catch. Not, not a red zone guy, not a touchdown guy. But he's completely morphed into a red zone monster. I mean he's targeted 33% of his routes inside the 20. That's number one for all tight ends. 33. Sir, sir, sir, sir.

[Mike Wright]

Have some respect.

[Andy Holloway]

There is a drafted Chase Brown again.

[Jason Moore]

There is a sanctity of numbers and singing.

[Andy Holloway]

It's one of those days.

[Jason Moore]

He has 18.

[Mike Wright]

Tomorrow it's 44. What are we up to, yo, for you?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Probably 18 red zone receptions. That was fourth among all pass catchers. And if you just look at the situations, final thing I'll say here, between the top three, which I love, grabbing one of the top three and Kittle's the one I prefer. Bowers last year dealt with no one else to target. You had Jacoby Myers. I mean, the fourth highest target last year on the Raiders.

[Andy Holloway]

And no running game. Yeah, and no running game in Las Vegas.

[Jason Moore]

Well, and no one to throw the ball to. But the fourth highest target on the Raiders last year was Alexander Madison. Like, nice. Yeah. Trey McBride. And obviously this year they spent their second round pick and their fourth round pick on Jack Bash and Deontay Thornton. So they've got other people to target to. McBride last year was the clear number one target. Way more targeted than Marvin Harrison. As a Cardinals fan, I would assume, we all hope that Marvin Harrison is the number one target in this offense. Like he develops into the number one. Not that that'll make McBride bad, but like he should be. He's the number four pick overall with Kittle. He's got to deal with Debo, Sam. Oh, no, no. Debo is gone.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, But Iuke's there.

[Jason Moore]

Brandon Iuk. Oh, wait, no, he's injured.

[Andy Holloway]

Pop, pop, pop.

[Jason Moore]

That's right. I mean, we do love Jennings. Oh, wait, no. Jennings is currently injured. Okay, But Pearsall, just back from injury. Maybe year two is better. I mean, Jacob Cowing is there. No, he's injured. Jordan Watkins is there. He's injured. Demarcus Robinson, he's suspended. Like, George Kittle is so needed. He is a value. He is a stud. Don't overthink it. Draft George Kittle.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Right now. As of today, Bowers, 204. McBride 302. Kittle, 402.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So you get the best value is.

[Andy Holloway]

Kittle and you don't sacrifice those upper echelon talents. It makes sense. All right, we'll take a break. We'll come back with Mike's first. My guy.

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[Andy Holloway]

All right, Mike, what do you got for us? It's 2025. It's not going to be Kelsey, I guess.

[Mike Wright]

No, it will not be Travis Kelce for me. But trying to figure out what order I wanted to go in. But Jason kept saying this guy's name so we'll start there.

[Jason Moore]

Chase Brown. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh man, I would draft him in any draft.

[Mike Wright]

Chase Brown of the Cincinnati Bengals. I am madly in love with the situation and he, I mean he has consistently been in the third round. He currently still is there on sleeper Yahoo espn. He's looking like a mega value almost going into the fourth round. But here is my case for Chase Brown. Last year, you know, the, the Bengals, the situation, we know it's good for running backs. We just, we're not sure who it's going to be. The team started off with Zach Moss and it wasn't working that great. And then Zach Moss gets injured. Chase Brown takes the job and becomes an absolute fantasy superstar winning people leagues. He finishes the RB11. But from week nine on, he was the running back five in fantasy. In the final eight game run, he was on pace for 414 total opportunities. Like he was a true workhorse and not just on the ground as a receiver. 54 for 360 yards and for receiving touchdowns. That run I was Talking about Week 9 on the most routes among all running backs, the second most receptions, the third most running back yards in that time. And when they get in close to the goal line like the Bengals throw, this is like they're like, hey, Joe Burrows is the captain of this team. Let's open it up and let's him be the, let's let burrow keep throwing. So they end up throwing the ball to everybody, including Chase Brown. Checking out offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher earlier this summer. Chase Brown is going to by the end of the season be a household name. He is everything Austin Eckler was. Y' all know who he is talking about. Austin Eckler. And honestly, to throw out the Austin Eckler comp is perfection. Chase Brown was a later. Chase Brown was a day three guy. Eckler was undrafted but essentially a player who had to truly work his way up and become the focal point of the running back position for a team. And if you're out there saying, well it's just, it's a one year thing, one year thing here for Chase Brown and I'm saying absolutely it is not going to be that. The depth chart, you know. Yeah, they took Taj Brooks in the third round and they got Samaj P. Ryan. Yeah, of course P. Ryan's going to get some veteran snaps the third day.

[Jason Moore]

Not the third round or.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. Did I say third round?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Taj Brooks was.

[Mike Wright]

Taj Brooks was a day three pick. Samajay P. Ryan will. He'll be in there, but he was in there when Joe Mixon was there.

[Andy Holloway]

It's difficult and one of the reasons why I think all of us are very enthusiastic about Chase Brown and have been. It's really hard to make the case of how it goes poorly for him this season. That's. That's one of the things, like there's not a really good, you know, nothing in the off season, nothing in the training camp, nothing in the draft room, nothing in the depth chart, nothing in the offense. It's all positive.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

It's just for fantasy players. Not quite the pedigree or years of history to drive him up in to a place where like eventually, look, Eckler was very similar. Eckler did not get anointed a top five draft pick to start. You know, it was a committee year with Melvin Gordon. And then it became, oh, he can do more. And then it's like, oh, do I trust? Do I trust just the passing down back with Eckler and like it took a lot of level ups.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, it did. And so we can look at, you know, it's not apples to apples, of course, because these guys came from all different places in terms of draft pedigree, but it's looking at running backs over the last decade who hit 15 or more PPR points per game in year two like Chase Brown did. The list is incredible. It's 18 running backs in the sample and 12 of them maintained the 15 or more points per game. So it's just like we're talking McCaffrey, Zeke, Melvin, Gordon Camara, Chubb, Kyren, James Conner, Joe Mixon, you know, Johnny Taylor. It's just, it is a list of hits and then there's just. There's a couple misses in here. Charles ctn. But the point is, historically this profile, especially pass catchers, it's turned into fantasy success. And there is the downside, is not even. Is not. It's not in the adp. He's not going in the second round, which I'm okay taking him in the second round. Like I would be perfectly happy starting with a wide receiver and Chase Brown is my RB one.

[Andy Holloway]

That's totally take him in the second, in the second round, I would totally be willing.

[Jason Moore]

We saw it already. I mean we lived it. We lived it last year when he was the running back five once he got the job. And I remember watching film as the Breeze hall manager and being so upset. We're sitting watching games on one Sunday and every time Chase Brown touched the balls like because at that point it was early on, it was like Chase Brown's a schlub. Chase Brown is a backup thrust into the starting role. And then I was like, every time Chase Brown touches the ball, he looks special. When Breeze hall touches the ball, he doesn't. And then it turned out, I think Chase Brown's special. Like he's better. Pretty good.

[Mike Wright]

Chase Brown in terms of the explosive athletic metric, he's a 96th percentile. Guy like this is a true athlete who he fell in the draft and it took him some time to establish and he has established.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, so Jameson Williams, George Kittle, Chase Brown, the first three, my guys, my second my guy.

[Jason Moore]

Amari on Hampton.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, it is, it is time for the rookie to take over talent opportunity. The landing spot, draft capital.

[Mike Wright]

How it is just shaken out for him with the Najee stuff.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean this was a player that we did not know exactly where he'd go in the draft. On our film review of collegiate running backs, he was Jason and I's number one talent to me.

[Jason Moore]

Well, number two, Ashton Jensen doesn't count as a rookie.

[Andy Holloway]

Golly, I always forget.

[Jason Moore]

I know he's. He's deleted out of rookies, but yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He'S just like yes.

[Jason Moore]

Of the rest, he was by far.

[Mike Wright]

Both of our favorites.

[Andy Holloway]

You got it. And to me when you looked at the college film, this was, you know, some college running backs, they've got a ways to go to get to that NFL level of consistency. To me that's what you saw in film. True three down back, great pass protector. And the word that kept coming to mind when I watched film on him and from the college performances, smooth. He's just a smooth runner. He's smooth. It reminded me a little bit of like the way that you know Arian Foster. It was very smooth in terms of reading blocks, not herky jerky making the right decisions.

[Jason Moore]

No Pacheco, he's him.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no Pacheco, no Kenneth Walker. But he's a tackle breaker. He's in the hundredth percentile in yards after contact among all running back 100th prospects. That's called the best of the best. We haven't heard a Hundredth before I honestly saying it out loud made me feel like I was like lying.

[Mike Wright]

Like you can't hundred so you could just say like you're the best.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think that's what I could have said. We gotta start using that more anytime someone is leading in anything. He's hundredth percentile in yards so far this year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's correct. I mean he's in the hundredth percentile technically yards after contact among the RV prospects.

[Jason Moore]

He's one out of all.

[Andy Holloway]

He's one out of all. Look the.

[Mike Wright]

That's so much.

[Andy Holloway]

The draft cost is inevitably rising. Najee Harris, it's been slow going getting back from the injury and we don't know if he's there week one. We don't know if he's there week three. Regardless, you're not keeping Amari and Hampton off the field. This is going to be one of the stalwarts of your fantasy football championship run. He is one of only four ACC players in history with 1500 plus rushing yards and 15 touchdowns in back to back collegiate seasons. Lamar Jackson, Dalvin Cook, Amari and Hampton and Travis etn. Those are the only four to ever do it. So yes, the cost is rising, but I don't care. You got to get them on your team. And it's not the cost. I mean look at, look at.

[Jason Moore]

It's never going to rise. Like Genti.

[Andy Holloway]

I was going to say look at the contrast from Genti to Hampton.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And you're telling me that it's a guarantee that Genti has a better season. He does not check every box that we talked about the other day.

[Jason Moore]

The team does.

[Andy Holloway]

Hampton does. In terms of offensive line winning team workload, I do not have fear of Najee Harris. He can be a compliment.

[Jason Moore]

Do you want to know what it reminds me of? And I think when I say this, everyone will be like, oh my gosh, it's totally the same thing.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know about that.

[Jason Moore]

Well, we'll see. Here's what I'm going to say. Omarion Hampton is to Ashton Genty what Malik Neighbors was to Marvin Harrison Jr. This was the clear awesome great prospect.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll allow it.

[Jason Moore]

He is a clear great prospect. Everyone knew Malik Neighbors was the dude.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

But he wasn't as he wasn't Marvin Harrison Jr. He wasn't the generational prospect of Brian.

[Andy Holloway]

Thomas was to Malik Neighbors.

[Jason Moore]

Right. And so. And but it was still cost a lot to get Malik Neighbors, but not nearly as much as it cost to get Marvin Harrison. And you know to me, he's the right one to target.

[Andy Holloway]

And Khalil Mack, this is a good quote because it's not just offensive coordinator. I can give you some Greg Roman quotes about how much they think of Amarian Hampton and you know it by what they did in the draft. That was a shocker. They spend it on Amari and Hampton. They could have taken some other. They could have taken Trayvon, Mike's, you know, favorite guy. But Khalil Mack, no one's perfect, right? No, you make mistakes, but no Khalil Mack. On playing against Amarian Hampton in practice, I don't want to say how impressed. How he's impressed me, but I can tell you, if you play football, then you know it's going to be fun to watch him play. And they talk about how good he is at finding like the hardest thing for a rookie running back is to take what's given to you. A lot of them want to make the big plays that they made their entire life in high school and in college and in. You know, Reggie Bush was kind of a victim of this when he came to the NFL. He was great in the passing game, but in the running game, he was so used to hitting home runs for the last 20 years of his life.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Omarion Hampton is a pros pro at running back. He is a guarantee to give you. Like, his. His floor is so high, but his ceiling is so high. And it kind of goes with the mystery bag tip from yesterday. It's like you get this rookie that really could be in the Ashton Genty category, but without the Ashton Genti Price. So for me, my second. My guy Amari and Hampton.

[Jason Moore]

Nice.

[Mike Wright]

The. I'm. I'm in. You know, we've been kind of bringing this up the last couple weeks of like, we're. We're at the point where you just have to push all your chips in on. On Hampton. The ADP is that of like the community hasn't. So I think this is like an area of the draft that you can exploit and get. Get an edge. And it's like right now, J.K. dobbins.

[Andy Holloway]

Still fourth, fifth round.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. He might jump into the third.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And you know what? That is okay. It's perfect. Like, you need to readjust how you. If you've been with us the whole offseason, you have to readjust how you're thinking about Hampton.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

He's the weak one starter. It's no longer. How many weeks does it take until he takes over? He takes over now and Najee will Be the backup for the season. J.K. dobbins had nearly 200 attempts and over 900 yards and he missed four games and he hasn't. And he has one strong leg, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Right. Yeah. As far as I know, Hampton has at least two.

[Jason Moore]

You know, I've, I've seen both legs. They're very good. J.K. dobbins has like a stick leg and a. And a beefy leg. Omarion Hampton, he's got them quads.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason, you've got more my guys to share.

[Jason Moore]

I sure do. And I'm very excited about this next one. Let's kick it off with George Pickens. Yeah. Yeah, baby.

[Mike Wright]

George.

[Jason Moore]

I had to pry George Pickens from Mike's cold dead hand.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we did a jersey swap.

[Jason Moore]

We did a jersey swap situation.

[Andy Holloway]

He's been on the my guy board for months.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Put it that way.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. It was going to be Mike's or mine. I get them. George Pickens is a. I win. George Pickens is a wide receiver value that I think is completely mispriced. The talent, the perfect marriage of his skill set with the team needs and Dak Prescott skill set is going to surprise people. I mean, if you've been watching any of the camp videos, they're not. There's nonstop, like, just go to X and search George Pickens. You know, you search any player and you're going to see a touchdown from camp. But if you search George Pickens, you're going to see 12 touchdowns from camp. And they're all different videos. He is all over the place. He is a deep threat that matches Dak Prescott. And what are you going to do as a defense? Are you going to really focus on George Pickens? No, you're not going to focus. That's like, are you going to focus on T. Higgins? You know, if you're, if you're playing against the Bengals, you don't have the option. You don't have the option because there's got Jamar Chase over there. So T. Higgins out there doing his thing in one on one coverage against your second best at best defender, if not your third best. And that's what is going to happen for George Pickens. Except George Pickens is going in the sixth round.

[Andy Holloway]

The hardest thing about George Pickens, the sixth round cost is very explainable. It's because it's three consecutive years of high expectations and not quite delivering.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, the talent of George Pickens has never been questioned. The output has always been like, what's going on?

[Jason Moore]

Yep. And then, and then you've got Steelers leaving the Steelers. You know, when wide receivers leave the Steelers, they go to die. You know, there's that, there's that argument, but that's really not fair because if you go on a case by case, like Antonio Brown was still good when he left. He just ended up taking a shirt off and leaving in the middle of, in the middle of season with Pickens.

[Andy Holloway]

It does feel like you'd stole him from Mike, but like, did you get like a lit stick of dynamite? Like.

[Jason Moore]

I sure did. And I'm going to toss it right over there against my opponent.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, there you go.

[Jason Moore]

And it's going to go blah, blah.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

Ye. You're Naji Harris. Okay, so. Oh, oh, no. You can't stop me. I'll say what? I won't.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no.

[Jason Moore]

Here's the thing, what you were just saying. The story with George Pickens has always been potential. Right? Potential. Look, I'm just, I'm just, I'm opening, I'm opening eyes here.

[Mike Wright]

It's my guys. What are you going to do? You can't, you can't stop us.

[Jason Moore]

All right? The potential for George Pickens, he is a, he is a contested catch, awesome deep threat. You know, look, in NFL history, there's only two wide receivers who before turning 24 had 2800 receiving yards while being a 16 plus yards per reception player is George Pickens and some dude named Randy Moss. He has that potential. The problem is Kenny Pickett, Mason, Rudolph, Mitchell, Trubisky.

[Mike Wright]

Those are big problems.

[Jason Moore]

Russell Wilson, Justin Fields, and you might say, oh, Russell Wilson, Justin Fields. He had at least a decent chance. No, they were worse than those other names. Here is.

[Andy Holloway]

Those are names that come up in his therapy sessions.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Here is Pickens rank among wide receivers in catchable target percentage. So not his fault. Just like, could you have caught this pass headed your direction? His rookie year, 25th. Okay, that's not too bad. His sophomore year, 61st in catchable percentage. And then last year with his best wide best quarterbacks ever, 71st. He was 71st at catchable target rate. So like he didn't have the option to go be great because the passes weren't catchable over that span, Dak Prescott is seventh in pass success rate, sixth in completion percentage, eighth in passer rating. And here's a great stat from Warren Sharp. I think this really highlights what I love the most about this fit and finish with George Pickens as a cowboy the last two years. Number one in passing yards on 15 plus yard go routes is Dak Prescott.

[Mike Wright]

Love it.

[Jason Moore]

Dak Prescott, number two in most attempts on 15 plus yard go routes. Love it. George Pickens over the same two years. Number one in most receiving yards on 15 plus yard go routes. Number two in most catches on 15 plus yard go routes. This is a match made in me.

[Andy Holloway]

A little of the Baker Evans match because Baker was always a great downfield thrower and he found his guy and now Dak has a trustworthy downfield.

[Jason Moore]

And if you look where they are used on the field, they are CD Lamb and George Pickens. It's an exact inverse. Like CD dominates the middle of the field, the line of scrimmage and the crossers. Pickens is going to be the boundary and the deep end zone guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you think you can get consistency in fantasy for Pickens in light of like. I'm sure some of the uncatchable target can be attributed to the fact he has a downfield guy.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, yes, absolutely. I don't, I don't ever expect George Pickens to walk away being the number one in. You know. Yeah, inconsistency. But you're going to have monster games.

[Andy Holloway]

And where's he going right now?

[Jason Moore]

Right now he is the wide receiver 29. So he's not even being drafted as a wide receiver too. He's in the sixth or seventh round depending on your platform. And here's my final takeaways. I just want to remind people, Andy, a long time ago you used to bring up you had a problem drafting wide receiver twos for their team. Like you would draft a bad wide receiver, one for a bad offense over a great wide receiver, two on a great offense and you realize that was a mistake. And here's a stat that proves that in the last 10 years, 10 sets of teammates have both finished as wide receiver ones. And we've seen an average of four sets of teammates per year since 2010 that are both at the same time, top 24 wide receivers. This is an offense that can't run the ball. Please, Micah Parsons, don't be a cowboy. Be a bad defense. Throw the ball a ton. And you can't cover George Pickens when you've got CD Lamb on the field. So I believe he is mispriced. Monster games. He to me is a lock as a top 24 wide receiver. And I think there's a world that exists where he is a top 12 wide receiver. Brandon Cooks was a touchdown machine a couple years ago. He's going to 30 years old.

[Mike Wright]

I was going to bring it up for you. The Cowboys year went when they went into the bye week, the schedule like the gates opened to the heavens and CD Lamb and Dak went on the run of winning people championships. But in that time from weeks eight through 18, Brandon Cooks had seven touchdowns. He had, you know, in that. This is Brandon, an old Brandon Cooks. He had six games if I'm counting right. Real quick in that time period of double digit fantasy points. And that was Brandon Cooks. That is not a. Yeah, that was old Washington Cooks. The peak of his career. George Pickens and who. Yeah, he's not met expectations a lot of due to inconsistency. But it's like maybe he's not a true number one, right. But maybe he's a 1B. Like there's guys out there like is T. Higgins truly a number one? The question is I think still fair to ask. But he's a great one B. I.

[Jason Moore]

Would love a 6 foot 3 super athletic downfield contested guy who is 24 years old going into a contract year with a good offense.

[Andy Holloway]

It does make sense and the draft price is very attractive. All right, we'll take one more break and we'll come back with our last four my guys.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

All right Mike, we, we took a little break in case you wanted to completely pivot to somebody else. It's your last shot, right? Are you good?

[Mike Wright]

The pivot will not be happening. Well, I will say a pivot did had to happen because oftentimes with these my guys I try to bring someone who I have been, you know, steady and higher than ADP on and but I haven't been talking about them ad nauseam over the off season and this player was on the ice and fire show because I he wasn't, he wasn't going to be in the my guys part because everyone knows but we got to the point where it's just I can't resist. I can't stop it.

[Jason Moore]

Travian Henderson.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh boy.

[Mike Wright]

Trevo Henderson, as I call him the Demon. He is an absolute speed demon. Like just start with the athleticism. 95th percentile explosive score. You see that in all the camp pilots. If you saw the wheel route. Yes, that the Minnesota Vikings misplayed but that's the point of he's so fast. It is easy to misplay him in the, in the receiving game. He's a second round rookie and you might start at the point of okay, well what if we have curmudgeonie variable like ah the rookies they got to earn it. What's the best way for a rookie running back to be able to earn playing time?

[Jason Moore]

Pass protection.

[Mike Wright]

How about pass protection? He is an unreal pass blocker. Henderson graded out as the best pass protector of the class at the running back position. Ball control. The dude does not fumble. The incumbent starter, he is fumbled. He has a massive fumbling problem. He has been Ramon Dre. We're talking about Ramon Dre. Stevenson has been benched multiple times in his career for having a fumbling problem.

[Jason Moore]

The only reason that he got back on the field was because his backup.

[Mike Wright]

Antonio Gibson fumbled more than he has a fumbling problem. And look I'm going to keep it a little bit shorter because I like I said the ice and fire show if you want to go back that was was that this Monday?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Who knows what could have been.

[Andy Holloway]

It was one of the days recently.

[Mike Wright]

But I like I just laid it all out. But here a quick summary. Rookie running backs taken in the first six rounds of redraft since 2011. 60% of them exceed their ADP expectations. And when you factor in rookies who saw two and a half or more targets per game, which Henderson has a specialty as a pass catcher, that jumps to an 80% of those drafted running backs exceed their expectations. And it took Andy, I think a little bit longer to get on board with Henderson. But you're still we're all at the point of our stat projections where we got him at more than 210 opportunities. He is a player that we like checks more boxes than we realize. You know because of the, the, the projected win total for the Patriots is much higher than the average Joe would expect seeing what they did last year. This is a team that is on the rise and Henderson is going to be a massive part of it. I his ADP is going to keep going up. We're currently looking at the sixth round. He will not be there. He probably jumps into the fourth and I have no problem with it.

[Andy Holloway]

I didn't even know you liked him. All right, my final my guy. We're going back to this. Well, it's worked out very good in fantasy football for a couple of years. But that's not the reason why you believe is because it's happened before. The reason is the player himself and the talent he possesses. The third my guy.

[Jason Moore]

Tyler Warren.

[Andy Holloway]

Tyler Warren, the tight end for the Indianapolis Colts currently going in the ninth round on sleeper much later on Yahoo and ESPN. This was pick 14 of the NFL draft. Yes. Laporta. Yes. Brock Bowers. It's been a good run. We're going to continue the run. And that's all built upon the true talent and ability on display from Tyler Warren. You can talk about Richardson or Daniel Jones all you want, just like we talked about Gardner Minshew and Aiden o'. Connell. But let's just, let's just throw out the ambiguity at quarterback. Let's throw out the ambiguity at wide receiver. I mean, we love Josh Downs the talent, but I think we'd all agree Josh Downs is not built like Ja' Marr Chase. He's not built like Tedrone McMillan.

[Mike Wright]

No, he's a felt smaller guy.

[Andy Holloway]

He's got a role on the offense. Pittman, he's a good player. He's not a great player. He has a role on the offense. They spent the draft capital on Tyler Warren. You saw it on display in the first preseason game, the type of routes that he, that he ran. Three targets, three receptions with the starters. Never left the field with the starters. Had a hitch route, sat down in the middle of the zone, had a deep out for a first down. Saw the yards after the catch on display, looking like Trey McBride out there. Had a play action crosser for another big play. The talent of Tyler Warren, I don't think people understand like you look at Brock Bowers and what a dominator he was in college this was. He's not far behind Tyler Warren was. He had more receiving yards versus man coverage than any other receiver in college football last year. That's what Tyler Warren was capable of. They even used him in like some, some wildcat formations. He is an athlete. His per route metrics were incredible. He had a higher targets per route run than Brock Bowers. He had a higher yards per outrun than Brock Bowers.

[Mike Wright]

This, that's wild.

[Andy Holloway]

This is a. And Brock Bowers was. What pick was he? 13.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So look, same range like. And going to a very similar situation where you desperately need a culture changing receiver, a mismatch. I gave you the numbers against man coverage. He's going to be that mismatch on every single play. And when you're betting on a receiving option, look, you get the ball in Indianapolis, we don't know what this team's going to do. But I don't think that we look at them as a, you know, this is not a supreme defense. They're going to need to throw the football. Daniel Jones or Richardson, either of those quarterbacks knows we've Got to get to get the ball to this guy with the huge catch radius with the after the catch ability. And here we are again, the rookie tight end. It doesn't matter. It's a ninth round pick. We're drafting a bunch of other guys that we know a lot about. You want to. The most compelling argument against Evan Ingram is Tyler Warren in terms of the, in terms of the draft cost because him and Loveland. Yeah, they represent so much more upside. I think the floor is great for Tyler Warren. I think you can take him and start him and even if he doesn't give you a Bowers year, you're still happy you took him in terms of consistency at the position. He's got, you know, a natural feel for the game of football that I think is just impressing me more and more and is free. So that's part of the my guy equation. Take these players that have so much tremendous upside, get them late, throw them on the team and suddenly everybody wants them in like three or four weeks. There's not a person out there, not a soul that will trade Brock Bowers right now. If you're in a dynasty or keeper league, you cannot get that player. And we've got a new generation of tight ends on the way and they're going to be the perennial all stars. And I think Tyler Warren is that guy. He's got that dog in him.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I was going to start my argument with it like certified dog. Watched his college tape and I am, you know, we're, we're in year 11 of this show, so we've seen a lot of, a lot of trends come and go, a lot of shifts in ADP of where guys are going. It's pretty surprising to me that we've had two years in a row that a rookie tight end has finished at the number one spot. And these two guys of Loveland and Warren, both with the draft capital, both with teams where like Warren goes into, he could be like, he could get that Brock Bowers target share. And then Colston Loveland, while he doesn't project as the number one, he goes to an offensive situation that should be very plus. And these guys are going late. Like the fact that drafters didn't react to it is surprising to me.

[Andy Holloway]

It shows the overpowering effect of team vibes because Detroit was awful before laporta got there. Their offense was not special and the Raiders terrible. No idea what's going on at quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

And I think that's still were terrible on offense, right?

[Andy Holloway]

No, they were, they were terrible and that that's like Bowers could be very, very good but. But then you look at Tyler Warren and the question marks, they all surround the other positions on the field. It's just a great ADP bet.

[Jason Moore]

All right, I'm doing another rookie ADP bet because if you want to say a player is mispriced, there is a first round NFL draft pick at wide receiver who is on a great offense where the role is pretty much already established from week one as a, as an on the field, you know, 100% type of player and he's being drafted in the double digits like 10th round. Ameca abuka. Oh baby. This is a guy pre NFL draft I was in love with. I think he is the best wide receiver of this draft class personally. That doesn't necessarily mean he has the highest fantasy ceiling but he is, but he might, he very well could. I mean he profiles kind of like a Chris Godwin, right? Like he is a really just solid route runner, great hands, good athleticism. He's going to have the boundary work. He's just like a kind of a perfect actual NFL wide receiver. And how did Chris Godwin do last year?

[Andy Holloway]

There is not, there's not a guarantee that people know who he plays for. So listening to this show, that's how double digit rounds he is.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, right now on ESPN he's at the back of the 11th round. If you're on ESPN, goodness gracious, 10th round comes. Just pull the trigger on a Mecca. Igbuka, rookie wide receiver for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Chris Godwin last year in the first seven weeks was the wide receiver two for this team for this offense with Baker Mayfield and Godwin we just talked about on the news today, he's not there week one. He's probably going to start on the pup.

[Mike Wright]

If he misses four games minimum by.

[Jason Moore]

The way, four minimum if he comes back in week seven. That makes sense. And I'm not worried about when he's back either. He'll start a little bit slow but Igbuka will establish himself as such an important piece of this offense. Mike Evans will take a step back eventually. I think Mike Evans is a good pick this year but this is an offense you want pieces of and this is a double digit first round rookie. And if you're not familiar with Amica Agbuka because we talk a lot about the other two first round wide receivers and we haven't mentioned enough about Ibuka. He was a five star recruit going into Ohio State. He was ahead of in the 2021 high school draft class. He was ahead of Brian Thomas Jr. Ahead of Xavier Worthy, ahead of Malik Neighbors, ahead of Marvin Harrison. And then what did he go and do in college? Oh, he just, you know, set the Ohio State record for receptions all time while playing next to Garrett Wilson and Chris Olave and Marvin Harrison and jsn. He's a stud. Like he's a great wide receiver. If you listen to what is being said from Tampa Bay, everything is a Buka. Everything is. He is a pros pro. He's a great blocker. He's. He knows every position, he knows the playbook perfectly. He's where you want him to be every time there was Baker Mayfield was talking with the Kelsey brothers, you know, and never heard of those. Question came from Jeff Jason, Kelsey Baker, what are you looking forward to this year with Tampa Bay? That's the question completely open ended. Like what are you looking forward to? His answer. Emeka Abuka is an absolute stud. He's a real deal. Like you know, he's not saying like what player, how are the rookies? He's just like what, what is, what are you excited about this year? He's like, dude, that dude's legit.

[Andy Holloway]

I've seen Todd, we've no Todd Bowles. He's been out here in Arizona. He's been the defensive coordinator. He's been a head coach before. I've listened to him talk. This is not a guy that is flowery with his language. He is a kind of like one of those professional coaches. Keeps it close to the vest. He had no problem just basically saying that a Buka was the real deal in every regard. So I agree. I'm so excited for what he represents in fantasy and for this team and for Baker. Right. Like you want Baker to have a solidified, you know, set of wide receivers and it feels like you just got this next generation guy. As Godwin and Evans begin to, you know, wind it down.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

So Ibuka, your final my guy.

[Jason Moore]

My final my guy. Double digit round auto selection.

[Mike Wright]

Yep. I love it. I am fully in on Ibuka too. And guess what, there is one more rookie wide receiver that I am all in as well.

[Jason Moore]

Tetaroa McMillan.

[Andy Holloway]

T. Mac.

[Mike Wright]

T Mac out of U of A. He plays for the Carolina Panthers. His ADP right now is about the back of the fifth on sleeper. The other platforms are lagging. They are trying to to catch up. So he's a rookie so I can't talk about his production as a professional. Just I can talk about him as a prospect. Like I said, U of A. How did he do there? Well, year two, over 1400 yards. Year his final year year three, 84 for 1308 touchdowns. We're talking about a player with the most receiving yards in school history starting there. That's a great place to start. Then you talk about the, the comparables. Marvin Eloquent, he's one of our writers. He especially helps us out on the the Dynasty pass, which is available in the UDK Plus. But he has his own way of looking at players and he's, you know, just comparing them. And for McMillan, when you factor in weight because he's a. This is a big dude. McMillan profiles as a true number one and X receiver 6, 5, 2, 12. So when you factor in your size draft capital. McMillan was an early declare. He didn't play his fourth year of college eligibility. The names that show up are shocking because it is DeAndre Hopkins, Drake London and Julio Jones. This is exactly who you would like to be associated with if your goal is to be a good wide receiver in the NFL. Now talk about back to the production. In college, you know, you got to be able to play against zone. You got to be able to play against man. Well, the good news is against zone coverage, he was excellent. A 2.82 yards per route run. When defenses are playing zone against him. Smart player, figuring out how to find the space and get it done, man coverage even better. And that's what I want out of my ex wide receiver. I want a guy who can just bully a number one corner. We're talking three and a half yards per route run. This, this is absolute ridiculous production for him. Then you look at where is he going in the draft fifth round. Okay, laporta, Jason's ice player from the Fire and Ice episode. Joe Mixon got a bum foot. David Montgomery, the backup running back on his own team. And then There's Ted Rollin McMillan. Like it. He is sitting in the perfect place for his draft pedigree and who he can become of like he's not. He's not pulling a Marv. He's not pulling a Malik Neighbors who went in the second and third round or so last year in adp. It's going in the back of the fifth round. There is, there is very little risk for the upside that he could bring you.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know if in the very, very beginning of draft season, I believed he was an alpha. I definitely believe he's an alpha. And I don't think that everybody understands what I think is the gap between McMillan and the rest of their roster at wide receiver.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

I think. I'm sorry. How dare you. I'm sorry, Adam. I think it is a massive, massive gap between this. We're talking, you know, Garrett Wilson and everybody else he's ever played with not named Devonte Adams. We're talking, you know, Terry McClaurin and everybody else he's ever played with in Washington. It is a. It's very obvious to me even from the preseason what we've seen so far. The plan. The plan is you're the driver of the offense. It's not any of these other guys. We'll hand the ball off to Leggett every once in a while. We'll give a crosser to Thielen Coker. You can contribute in the red zone. I really, truly believe Tedro McMillan is their full plan on offense. And I think you'll see it sooner than later and regret not drafting him sooner than later.

[Mike Wright]

Speaking of the plan, let's go to the team level. We got the Carolina Panthers and I get it, there's a stink. There is a stench among the Carolina Panthers. They have been bad for years. But you have to look at where things are going from week 12 on.

[Andy Holloway]

That's actually David Tepper is what you're smelling.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, no, I recognize that smell anywhere.

[Jason Moore]

A little Tepper in here is bad.

[Mike Wright]

From we look Bryce Young, we all saw it the beginning of last year that you had the hope when the season opened and you went, holy crap. Bryce Young is a catastrophic bust. A true team killer that they traded up for and it's just a total disaster. Gets benched for Andy Dalton. Okay. Bryce Young eventually gets the opportunity back. And Bryce Young plays extremely well. From week 12 on, Carolina averaged 25. The team 25 points per game. That's 12th in the NFL. Like that's a top half offense. They are on the way and then talking.

[Andy Holloway]

You are on team Bryce.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I am. And it's a scary place to be. I will be honest about that. But the reason I kept saying an X receiver. An X receiver. Head coach Dave Canales funnels targets to the X receiver two years ago in Tampa Bay. Mike Evans monster season last year before he worked his way off the team. Remember what? Deontay Johnson was having a resurgence when Andy Dalton took over because we were getting competent quarterback player. All of a sudden Deontay Johnson is a weekly must start guy because this is the offense that Canalis runs. I do believe that's why Canales, when they, when McMillan felt them, they were like, holy crap, this is this is incredible. Rush the card in. Go get him. Going in the fifth is sensational. Oh, and we'll have one last point. We love teams that have a high powered offense and their defense stinks. Carolina's defense last year allowed 534 points. The most of all time.

[Jason Moore]

Of. Excuse me, the most.

[Mike Wright]

The hundredth percentile.

[Jason Moore]

I believe that's the zero percentile.

[Mike Wright]

Well, the 100th percentile. Zero in giving up the most points and maybe they improve. But to go from the most points ever given up of all time to a good defense, that's going to take some time. So I love Ted roll McMillan in the fifth. He is a very juicy upside pick.

[Jason Moore]

He is a stud.

[Andy Holloway]

So my three, Jameson Williams, Amari and Hampton. Tyler, Warren, Jason.

[Jason Moore]

I've got George Kittle. George and Emeka Buka. That's right. It's just George.

[Andy Holloway]

It took me a second. You got two Georges.

[Jason Moore]

I do.

[Mike Wright]

He tried to find a third.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, but there's, there's not a lot.

[Andy Holloway]

Eddie George. You want to go backwards, I think.

[Mike Wright]

You'Ll get zero points.

[Jason Moore]

Gotta be first names.

[Mike Wright]

We got Chase Brown, we got Travion henderson and Tetaroa McMillan.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Andy Holloway]

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