The Fantasy Court + Buy or Sell

Summary

Podcast Summary: Fantasy Footballers - "The Fantasy Court + Buy or Sell"

Release Date: August 28, 2019
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
Episode Title: The Fantasy Court + Buy or Sell

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1. Buy or Sell: Evaluating Player Projections

The episode kicks off with the Buy or Sell segment, where the hosts debate the projected performance of various NFL players for the upcoming fantasy football season.

Stefan Diggs: 1,000 Receiving Yards

• Brooks's Stance:

  • Timestamp [04:57]: "I am going to buy Stefan Diggs over 1,000 yards. Last year he was averaging 68 yards a game... Minnesota's passing offense is Stefan Diggs."

• Andy Holloway's Counter:

  • Timestamp [05:44]: "I'm going to sell. His average is just barely breaking the thousand on a 16-game pace, and he rarely plays all 16 games."

• Jason Moore's Take:

  • Timestamp [06:17]: "I will buy it. I think he'll average around 62 yards a game, possibly a bit more."

Conclusion: Brooks buys Diggs, while Andy opts to sell based on historical performance and injury concerns. Jason sides with Brooks, believing Diggs will surpass the 1,000-yard mark.

Philip Lindsay: Rushing Yards

• Brooks's Stance:

  • Timestamp [07:42]: "I'm going to sell two because of Royce Freeman."

• Andy Holloway's Counter:

  • Timestamp [06:23]: "I think Philip Lindsay is being undervalued and will crack the thousand-yard mark again."

Conclusion: Andy buys Lindsay, citing his potential rebound and undervaluation, whereas Brooks decides to sell due to uncertainties with handcuffs like Royce Freeman.

Tyler Lockett: Receiving Yards

• Andy Holloway's Stance:

  • Timestamp [08:44]: "Tyler Hot Lockett is going to dominate this year. He will definitely have more than a thousand."

• Jason Moore's Counter:

  • Timestamp [09:00]: "I'll sell it. I think it'll be just under a thousand."

• Brooks's Position:

  • Timestamp [09:33]: "Tyler Lockett was an enigma last season but has the potential to exceed expectations."

Conclusion: Andy is bullish on Lockett, predicting a strong performance, while Jason is skeptical, expecting him to fall just short of the 1,000-yard milestone. Brooks remains cautiously optimistic.

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2. News and Notes: Player Updates and Injuries

In the News and Notes segment, the hosts discuss recent developments affecting fantasy football players.

Robbie Anderson (Jets): Calf Injury

• Jason Moore [14:04]: "Robbie Anderson missed practice with a calf injury. Adam Gase remains uncertain about its impact."
• Andy Holloway [14:28]: Highlights the risk of re-aggravation, raising Anderson’s risk rating for week one.

DeSean Jackson: Broken Finger

• Jason Moore [15:15]: "DeSean Jackson suffered a broken left ring finger but is optimistic for week one."
• Brooks [16:16]: Notes Jackson will likely play through the injury, albeit with reduced performance.

Kiki QT (Chiefs): Injury Concerns

• Jason Moore [16:19]: "Kiki QT isn't expected to be ready for week one, raising doubts about his early-season value."
• Andy Holloway [16:23]: Expresses frustration over QT’s recurring injuries and questions his draft value.

D’Andre Agunwale (Buccaneers): Third-Down Back

• Jason Moore [17:41]: "Agunwale is set to become the Buccaneers' third-down back, competing with Ronald Jones and Peyton Barber."
• Brooks [18:40]: Critiques Ronald Jones’ pass protection and receiving abilities, advocating for Agunwale's increased role.

Notable Insight:

• Andy Holloway [16:19]: "Kiki QT's soft tissue issues make him too risky to draft, regardless of his upside."

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3. The Fantasy Court: Carson Wentz vs. Rankings

A heated debate unfolds in the Fantasy Court, where Andy and Jason challenge Mike's rankings of Carson Wentz, urging him to elevate Wentz’s value.

Case 1: Carson Wentz’s Fantasy Value

• Plaintiffs (Andy & Jason):

  • Andy Holloway [22:30]: Argues that Wentz’s past performance, superior weapons, and health improvements justify a top-five QB ranking.
  • Jason Moore [23:45]: Highlights Wentz’s increased completion percentage and improved passer rating, comparing him favorably to Drew Brees.

• Defendant (Mike Wright):

  • Brooks [25:28]: Defends Mike, asserting Wentz’s injury history and inconsistent touchdown rates warrant his current ranking at QB10.

• Judge's Ruling:

  • Jason Moore [28:21]: Rules in favor of Mike, critiquing the plaintiffs’ overestimation of Wentz’s consistency.

Case 2: Sammy Watkins’s Value

• Plaintiffs (Andy):

  • Andy Holloway [29:11]: Advocates for Sammy Watkins, emphasizing his speed, target share, and potential resurgence without injuries.

• Defendant (Jason):

  • Jason Moore [35:05]: Dismisses Watkins as too volatile and unreliable for his fantasy team.

• Judge's Ruling:

  • Jason Moore [41:53]: Rules against Andy, maintaining skepticism about Watkins’s consistency and health.

Key Takeaways:

• Andy Holloway: Believes Carson Wentz and Sammy Watkins are undervalued due to their high potential and past performances.
• Jason Moore & Brooks: Prioritize consistency and injury history, supporting more conservative rankings.

Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway [22:41]: "Carson Wentz is being ranked by Mike... as QB10 is outrageous."
• Brooks [25:28]: "16 game pace. Jason, I am so glad you brought that up."

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4. Mailbag: Listener Questions and Advice

In the Mailbag segment, the hosts address listener-submitted questions, providing tailored fantasy football advice.

Question 1: Dropping Kalen Balaj for Darwin Thompson

• Listener Brent from North Bend, WA [43:00]: "Should I drop Kalen Balaj for Darwin Thompson after drafting Damian Williams as my flex?"

• Hosts’ Responses:

  • Jason Moore [44:03]: Advises against the switch, citing potential team dynamics and upcoming trades.
  • Brooks [44:26]: Recommends retaining Balaj for his higher floor compared to Thompson’s uncertain upside.
  • Andy Holloway [44:28]: Suggests focusing on ceiling now and considering handcuffs later in the season.

Conclusion: The consensus leans towards keeping Kalen Balaj, emphasizing immediate team stability over speculative gains.

Question 2: Importance of Draft Grades

• Listener Miguel from Dallas [47:19]: "How much importance do you guys give to draft grades? I received a D despite having strong picks like Christian McCaffrey and Lamar Jackson."

• Hosts’ Responses:

  • Jason Moore [48:27]: Dismisses draft grades as unreliable and misaligned with actual team performance.
  • Andy Holloway [48:28]: Criticizes draft grades for their inability to account for individual team strategies and player synergies.

Conclusion: The hosts advise ignoring draft grades, focusing instead on personal team strategy and player performance indicators.

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5. Sponsor Messages and Promotions

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Notable Quote:

• Andy Holloway [20:07]: "Get craving conquering and go to whitecastle.comfootballers to get a dollar off the purchase of any four or six-pack White Castle Sliders."

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6. Closing Remarks

The episode concludes with a blend of humor and camaraderie, reinforcing the hosts' friendly banter and dedication to their fantasy football community.

• Final Exchanges:
  • Andy Holloway [35:24]: Playfully insults Jason following the court rulings.
  • Jason Moore [36:03]: Shares a personal anecdote about disliking black olives, linking it humorously to the Sammy Watkins debate.

Final Quote:

• Jason Moore [36:03]: "I know the taste... It left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm never going to come around on Sammy the lizard king because my team don't need it."

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Key Insights and Takeaways

• Player Evaluations: The Buy or Sell segment highlights differing perspectives on player potential, emphasizing the importance of balancing historical performance with injury risks.

• Fantasy Court Dynamics: The Fantasy Court segment underscores the subjective nature of player rankings and the passionate debates they can spark among fantasy football enthusiasts.

• Injury Impact: Recent injuries to key players like Robbie Anderson and DeSean Jackson are scrutinized for their potential impact on early-season fantasy outcomes.

• Listener Engagement: The Mailbag provides practical advice, reinforcing the hosts' commitment to addressing real-life fantasy football dilemmas faced by their audience.

• Promotions: Strategic sponsor integrations offer valuable deals to listeners, enhancing their fantasy football experience beyond the game itself.

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This episode of The Fantasy Footballers delivers a comprehensive blend of player analysis, lively debates, listener engagement, and entertaining banter, ensuring a rich and informative experience for both regular listeners and newcomers alike.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from pristineauction.com studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Rush.

[Jason Moore]

Ah. Welcome in. Welcome into the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Andy, Mike and Jason, back with you for Wednesday, August 28th. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for entrusting a little bit of your fantasy team with us. We, we're gonna do right by you today.

[Brooks]

We won't let you down.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, well, I will, but these guys are pretty solid.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you, Jason. I appreciate that.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I was talking about Brooks.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, okay.

[Andy Holloway]

And Borland. Borland over there.

[Jason Moore]

These guys, our producers.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Are. They're very good. They're very talented. We'll include one of them on today's show. We've got Fantasy Court making its return on the show today.

[Brooks]

About time.

[Jason Moore]

Judge Giamatti will rule. He will preside over the courtroom. We have a number of arguments that we'll make against one another.

[Brooks]

Brooks, you're looking handsome today, bud.

[Jason Moore]

Don't feel. Thank you, Mike. Yeah. Don't feel a pressure, by the way, to, like, balance out your rulings. If all of my arguments are incredible and others aren't, that's just probably what's going to happen. So don't feel, you know, like you're going to offend anybody to rule correctly. Brooks.

[Brooks]

Also, I heard Andy call you ugly this morning.

[Andy Holloway]

While both of those things are true, that you are looking great and I definitely heard other people say, you know, bad things, unspeakable things. Brooks, I believe that you are incredibly intelligent, not just handsome, and that your wisdom will see what is right.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, this is, this is good. This is a good justice system we have running on the show. So we've got fantasy court a little bit later. Got buy or sell on the show. Some news we'll get into. I believe we're what, 11 days out from our first Sunday and the NFL season starts that Thursday. So we are, you know, we're right there.

[Brooks]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

We just have to endure some four stringers running around on the green grass this weekend. But you can follow the show on Twitter at the ffballers. The Website's the fantasy footballers.com Mike has a brand new article. Mike's ultimate value Fantasy Football hit squad 2019. His best, most favorite value in each and every round based on average draft position. You can read that on the website. It's very, very well written, Mike.

[Brooks]

It's very valuable.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Yes. All right. It is Wednesday, which means.

[Mike Wright]

Buy or sell, presented by Pristine Auction.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we're going to play a little buy or sell to start the show. Some more narratives, some more storylines for 2019, your fantasy football team. Let's go with Stefan Diggs receiving yards. Last year he set a career high with 10, 21 yards and 15 games played. Do you believe he. Oh, so these are all thousand yard themed Brooks. Yes, sir. Yeah, will they. So do you believe, buy or sell Stefan Diggs 1000 yards receiving? What do you say?

[Brooks]

I am going to buy Stefan diggs over 1,000 yards. The, I mean last year he was averaging 68 yards a game. Before that 61. Before that 69. It's just a matter of does he play all or does he play enough games. And Stefan Diggs, you know, he needs 14 or 15 to hit that thousand yard mark. And Minnesota's passing offense is Stefan Diggs. It's Adam Thielen.

[Jason Moore]

That's it.

[Brooks]

Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Yeah, sorry. I mean Chad Beebe. I'm sorry.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Kyle Rudolph, Herb Smith. Yeah, you'll be worked in here and.

[Brooks]

There but the targets are going to go to Diggs. He will get enough work. Even with the, the fear the people are, they're riding in the streets. They're afraid of Minnesota's passing game.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not, I'm not.

[Andy Holloway]

I like Diggs a lot. We've said that from before he was a breakout player, how talented a wide receiver he is. But I'm going to sell here because his over the last three years, his 16 game pace, so that's giving him the full season is an average of 10, 56 yards. It's just barely breaking the thousand and that's on a 16 game pace. Now. They might pass for fewer yards this year. So maybe he could play 16 and not get there. But more than likely he doesn't play 16 because he doesn't usually make it a full 16.

[Brooks]

Or he never does. That's another one he never has so far yet.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, four years.

[Jason Moore]

I will buy it. I think 62 yards a game, I think that's what you'll get, if not a little more from Stefan Diggs. So I'll buy Philip Lindsey rushing yardage last year, 20, 18, 10, 37 yards. Does he top the thousand yard mark? I'm selling. I'm selling it. It was a heck of a season for Philip Lindsay. I think he's a great player, a dynamic player, but I am selling this one. I just don't believe he's going to have the level of efficiency he had last year. And if you just, I don't know, 5, 6 extra carries for Royce Freeman a week. A healthy Royce Freeman. I don't think Lindsey gets there.

[Andy Holloway]

Man, this is tough for me. I've been rising on Lindsey lately just from the standpoint of realizing that he's in such a similar situation. He was so good to start last season. I mean, he was on a 1200 yard pace before he kind of broke down at the end. I think I'm going to buy. I think I'm going to buy that Philip Lindsay cracks the thousand yards again. I think he's being undervalued now. Early in the off season, even middle, you know, just a month ago he was still higher on draft boards where, you know, it was a little risky to take him. But now, I mean, he's just, he keeps falling. And that's the reason I'm like, I feel like I need to, I need to swing the pendulum back.

[Brooks]

I'm going to sell two because of my man. Royce D. Freeman.

[Jason Moore]

That's his middle name.

[Brooks]

Royce D. That's what he's listed as.

[Jason Moore]

A pro football reference that you were just making up a middle initial for emphasis, which I didn't really understand the value of that.

[Andy Holloway]

Probably. Dwayne.

[Jason Moore]

Probably.

[Andy Holloway]

Really odds on.

[Brooks]

I'm going to go with.

[Jason Moore]

If somebody's middle initial, I'm going.

[Andy Holloway]

Doug.

[Jason Moore]

The odds are that it's Dwayne.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I think there are odds they might not be good, but there are odds that say it could be Dwayne Royce. Dan. Royce. Dwayne Freeman.

[Jason Moore]

Incredible.

[Brooks]

I'm going, Douglas.

[Jason Moore]

So you're selling? You're selling because.

[Brooks]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Let's go with Hot Lockett himself. Tyler Lockett last year was a career high. Still hasn't broken 1,000 yards in his career. 965. But I remember saying such things about Devonte Adams before last year, which, by the way, Devonte Adams did not have a thousand yards receiving in a season before last year's campaign.

[Andy Holloway]

I remember saying things about that, about Melvin Gordon, because. Even though.

[Brooks]

Because it's fun to do.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. But the reality is Tyler. Tyler. Hot Lockett is going to dominate this year. He will definitely have well more than a thousand.

[Jason Moore]

Well, more. Well, more.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, more.

[Jason Moore]

Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

That's right. I stand by it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'll sell it.

[Andy Holloway]

Really?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. I think it'll be just under.

[Andy Holloway]

Wow.

[Brooks]

I'm going to sell it.

[Andy Holloway]

Boom. We are not in agreement.

[Jason Moore]

Guess we should have fantasy court at that one, huh?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I would love to fantasy court Tyler Lockett all over you two fools. And I say over you two fools. But I feel like it's more against Mike.

[Jason Moore]

It's a strange beginning to the show. I feel attacked. The grammar has reached new lows. We're both selling, though.

[Brooks]

It's. Tyler Lockett is. Jason is just fully bought. He's on board. He's bought into everything. I still don't know what to make of Tyler Lockett. His last season was an absolute enigma where he skyrocketed. I mean, he was averaging, you know, about 600 yards a game, two to three touchdowns a year. That's. That was his average until he absolutely exploded. Now you have to project a volume increase with Doug Baldwin gone.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, but you had games last year where Russell Wilson completed 11 passes.

[Brooks]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

10 passes. 12 passes, 13 passes. That's not a lot of work. I think there'll be too many of the disappearing act games to get to a thousand, even though he'll be by far the best wide receiver in the system. That's where I'm. I think that's Rileen. It's tight, though. I mean, I don't. I'm not talking about regression in total yardage. I think it'll be around the same mark. Maybe more receptions, less big plays. I know you love him, Jason. I know that you. You love him so good. More. Whatever you say.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. You know everything out of the beat reporters I trust from the Seattle area talk about how involved, how highlighted Tyler Lockett has been in camp. We didn't see that in preseason until week three, but week three came around, and it was like everything they had been talking about was, oh, my goodness, this is the Tyler Lockett show. I'M on board.

[Brooks]

He was highlighted last year.

[Jason Moore]

That's who I'm going to go ahead and stop. If I'm a defense in the National Football League, I'll go ahead and stop the one named receiver.

[Andy Holloway]

Impossible.

[Brooks]

It's harder said than done for Tyler Lockett. He's a great wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

He is.

[Brooks]

He was featured and he hit on literally every single defense.

[Jason Moore]

Marvin Jones, two years ago.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

It reminds me of that situation.

[Brooks]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, that was.

[Andy Holloway]

You can't really say. Like, I know he was featured a little bit last year, but he wasn't like the clear cut one. He had 71 targets on the year.

[Jason Moore]

Great point.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that will lead the team.

[Brooks]

If he got. If he got that amount of targets again this year, it would lead the team.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you guys have your rankings pulled up? I am curious now that we're on this topic. How many targets do you two gentlemen have? Tyler Lockett projected for this season, 100. Okay, I've got him with 109.

[Jason Moore]

Give me just one second to pull it up.

[Brooks]

Although I am not giving him an 80% catch rate.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

89 targets. 60, 68 receptions. And then I lied to you. I had 10, 18 yards.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's what I want to hear, Mike. So real tight, how many yards you got him for?

[Brooks]

972.

[Andy Holloway]

You just changed it.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Brooks]

I didn't pull an Andy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, well, I wanted to be sure. Hey, I said it'd be right up against it. I will officially Change it from 10, 18 yards to 999.

[Brooks]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

To be truthful, I thought you were going to change. I thought my opinion.

[Andy Holloway]

Your vote here to match your very detailed rankings.

[Jason Moore]

One of his. One of his receptions just lost 19 yards. That's all I'm saying.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

That's what just happened. Out of spite. All right, that was buy or sell brought to you by Pristine Auction. Right now we're doing a [e-mail] youm can win an Alvin Camara jersey. One of the ways that you can win that jersey to get an entry is to go and [e-mail] using the code Ballers completely free gives you the ability to browse all of their sports memorabilia auctions. Let's talk news.

[Mike Wright]

News and notes from around the league presented by Sleeper.

[Jason Moore]

It was just one play, Jason. It was one play during the upcoming season where he would have gone for an extra 20 yards, but then he got tripped up.

[Brooks]

I realized turf monster got him. Well, I was.

[Jason Moore]

A replay review actually stepped out. He stepped out on A screen pass. I just realized that Tyler Lockett. That's how detailed our projections are.

[Andy Holloway]

Tyler Lockett is a. Is definitely an unofficial. My guy. Like, I'm. If we were doing my guys as late as we usually do them, he would have.

[Brooks]

We all know what that means, Jason. That means that if Tyler Lockett goes ham.

[Andy Holloway]

That's right.

[Brooks]

You get credit.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Brooks]

Tyler Lockett sucks.

[Jason Moore]

He's unofficial.

[Brooks]

It would. Look, I didn't say that.

[Andy Holloway]

No. If you think you're, like, shedding light on a situation.

[Brooks]

I'm shedding. This is for the listeners.

[Jason Moore]

This is not for you.

[Andy Holloway]

We know who you are. Yes, and that is exactly right. For years, listeners, when Tyler Lockett goes ham. I want that credit.

[Jason Moore]

All right, this is news. Jets wide receiver Robbie Anderson missed practice on Tuesday with a calf injury. Adam Gaze came out and said, look, I don't know if it's a concern. Anytime you have a soft tissue issue, it's an unknown. That's why he's day to day. We will keep working on it. Hopefully he'll be ready to go. 11 days.

[Brooks]

So lame.

[Jason Moore]

11 days is a good amount of time to get to get right. If it was a minor strain, yes.

[Brooks]

But it's so lame.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's also. It's scary because while he should be okay for week one, he now carries risk of a re. Aggravation. Yeah, that's the real fear. It's not whether or not he'll be ready to go, it's whether or not he's going to hurt it worse once he's back. So the risk rating is higher on Robbie Anderson. Now, if you have your drafts, the upside is still there.

[Brooks]

I mean, he was already up against it. I think he was a good wide receiver. Schedule wise, he's already up against it. Week one, he should see Tredavius White, one of the best cornerbacks in the league from the Buffalo Bills, if he's already a bit hobbled and just trying to play through something. This is, like I said, so lame.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it is lame because you spend. I mean, I don't mean you. I mean we. All of us. The fantasy owner, you at home. So excited for Robbie Anderson's potential. Jason literally brought up the jets in, like, multiple contexts this week as a team that he's got good vibes for. Thanks, Jay.

[Andy Holloway]

You're welcome.

[Jason Moore]

And now you just have a little bit of a cloud hanging over him. You got a cloud hanging over this guy. Desean Jackson suffered a broken left ring finger in Tuesday's practice. The team is optimistic. He'll be ready to roll in week one again. I was going to light him up. I was going to play him week one. I'm feeling a little bit uncomfortable now. We don't know. He's visiting his hand specialist as a precautionary measure. That's what they said yesterday.

[Brooks]

George Costanza.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, no. That's a hand model.

[Brooks]

Oh.

[Jason Moore]

Not a hand specialist. It's very different. But yeah, I doubt desean Jackson could be a hand model with how that finger looks right now. This happens to wide receivers pretty frequently.

[Brooks]

Yeah. And he'll play through it. He will, but it will affect him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

It's just not what you want. But you don't always get what you want. Bill O'Brien not hopeful that Kiki QT will be ready for week one. Yesterday, we what happened, all we had was a report that he returned to practice, but that was kind of, I guess, a very cursory return.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, this is the frustration. If you actually, you know, see his quote and watch he's frustrated. And how could you not be? As the head coach of Kiki qt, you. You've never had him. You've only seen little flashes of this great wide receiver that you drafted to be a part of your team. And he is. He's just always injured. I mean, he is as bad as it gets out there. I love Kiki QT's value. Early in the off season, he was one of my favorite targets. There's no way I will draft him. He's just too. His soft tissue is made of tissue paper. And you don't want soft tissue paper.

[Jason Moore]

Nope. Great, Great point. Not concerned about Cam Newton. That's what Ron Rivera said for week one. No doubt in his mind that'll play. I don't think fantasy owners were very concerned in the drafts that I've been witnessing, so should be there. And then we brought this name up actually on our SiriusXM show on Monday. Dari Agunbawale. Yes. That's a player.

[Brooks]

It's an awesome name.

[Jason Moore]

He's also going to be the Bucks third down back to start the year, at least according to beat reporters in Tampa. It's not been a pretty picture trying to sift through the Tampa Bay backfield, but a goomba Wale is getting first team work with Ronald Jones with Peyton Barber.

[Andy Holloway]

That's how bad a pass catcher and pass protector Ronald Jones is.

[Brooks]

This is why I've been saying all off season, if you can't pass protect for Bruce Arians, you aren't getting on the field well.

[Jason Moore]

And the truth is Ronald Jones will be on the field and it will be at the expense of Peyton Barber and it will hurt if you roster both on, I don't know, your league of record team, bench.

[Brooks]

That is it. Did you pick up a Goomba Walley?

[Jason Moore]

Of course. I'm going to add Ellington as well.

[Andy Holloway]

You got to scoop them up.

[Jason Moore]

I want four buccaneer backs on the bench. That way I can cut four players in week one. My four for the waiver wires.

[Brooks]

The Tampa Bay backfield.

[Jason Moore]

Gross. Gross. Anybody who sees me roll them into the lineup is just licking their chops. That was today's news and notes. As a reminder, grab the sleeper app. That's where we're doing our listener league draft today. You can download it for free.

[Brooks]

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[Brooks]

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[Andy Holloway]

We want to thank White Castle. Not for sponsoring the show at all. For being super delicious. They're so good.

[Brooks]

And for sponsoring.

[Jason Moore]

I'm glad they sponsored.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm also glad they sponsor. But I like White Castle.

[Jason Moore]

My family's thankful for that.

[Andy Holloway]

They're so good. So we went out for our footiversary. We had two people here who were celebrating their one year under our employment and we went out to a fancy restaurant. Andy got these sliders. Oh. And they said like a bed of onions. And those were garbage imposters.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, they weren't that good.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, because I'm used to delicious, awesome sliders now from White Castle. I'm going to need to buy a whole nother freezer for my garage to stock up.

[Brooks]

Because that's my White Castle freezer.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. This is my other freezer.

[Jason Moore]

They might send you one if you.

[Andy Holloway]

Say that they've got a one of a kind taste. You know them. If you haven't tried them, if they're not in your area, you can get them at your grocery store. Get them in the freezer section. 100% beef patties. They're great. From the Castle or the grocery store. You could satisfy your crave anytime with White castle. Go to whitecastle.comfootballers to get $1 off the purchase of any four or six pack White Castle sliders.

[Jason Moore]

All right, it's time. The judge has his robe on the gavel. Locked and loaded. Lets enter the courtroom.

[Mike Wright]

The fantasy court with Judge Giamatti.

[Andy Holloway]

Plaintiffs Jason and Andy are accusing Mike the fantasy hitman Wright of putting a hit out on Carson Wince's enormous value into 2019.

[Brooks]

Enormous value.

[Andy Holloway]

Enormous value.

[Jason Moore]

So we're accusing Mike. We're accusing Mike of this.

[Andy Holloway]

That's darn right.

[Brooks]

Objection. Leading the witness.

[Andy Holloway]

It's just.

[Jason Moore]

He's not the witness. He's the judge. You're leading the judge. That's acceptable.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you can.

[Jason Moore]

You look great today by the way.

[Andy Holloway]

Man. So good. That robe.

[Jason Moore]

So, so black. Basically, this, this discussion, this case comes down to the fact that Jason and myself very, very high on Carson Wentz this year. He's a my guy for me. Jason, you have ranked him just like I've ranked him.

[Andy Holloway]

We've both got him as a top five quarterback. Mike, you've got him down at number 10. The double digit numbers. That sounds disgusting. Here are some thoughts about Carson Wentz. 1.

[Jason Moore]

Your Honor, please listen to our plea.

[Andy Holloway]

Your honor, Carson Wentz has already been the number one quarterback in fantasy while he was out there a couple years ago in his MVP season. During that time, he was on pace for 4,000 yards, 41 touchdowns and nine interceptions. Last year he was on pace for 4,400 yards, 31 touchdowns at 10 interceptions, which would work out two more fantasy points. The difference, the only difference is the rushing totals. Last year he was wearing this big knee brace coming off an ACL injury and was not running the ball. I expect him to be Fully healthy. He has not had a brace on. He is mobile. People are talking about, we've got the same old Carson Winspeck and he has the best receiving core of his career. Adding D. Jacks, adding JJ Arcega wideside a year two from a rookie tight end, Dallas Goddard, who's probably the best tight end in the entire National Football League.

[Jason Moore]

May I, Jason?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

He also jumped his completion percentage from 60 to 70% last year. Had a better passer rating, was actually playing very, very well. One year removed from the acl. Now you've got your legs back, you got the ability to run just a little bit more. More confidence in the leg for planting better weapons. We've talked about it. I said it before Chris Sims came out and said, look, Carson Wentz is the more physically gifted version of Andrew Luck. And we know what Luck has done. He is being ranked by Mike in my opinion and others. The only people that don't have him up in that upper echelon are those that are worried about the injury cloud. It's the basis of availability, not ability. And he's got the weapons. Er, Jeffrey, who, by the way, Mike, you love Alshon. Jeffrey.

[Brooks]

I do.

[Jason Moore]

Miles Sanders. Mike, you love Miles Sanders.

[Andy Holloway]

I do.

[Jason Moore]

What a pass catching threat he is. Dallas Goddard, Nelson Aguilar, D. Jacks.

[Andy Holloway]

I do love Dallas Goddard.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, you do, Jason. And we've broken down just the tangible, measurable impact Deshaun Jackson has as the best deep threat in football on any quarterback. He's come in contact two minus Jameis Winston, better weapons, removed from injury, proven he can be a top three fantasy quarterback, has a great play caller in Doug Peterson. And I will end with this. Mike Baker Mayfield, you have him at 5, you have Wentz at 10. And as Jackie Childs would say, that is outrageous, egregious, preposterous to give Baker, who's never done it, the 5 rank and Wentz, who has done it, the 10 rank.

[Brooks]

I hear what my colleagues are saying here. I just. I'm not exactly sure where to start. Let's start with Carson Wentz last season.

[Jason Moore]

Full admit admission of guilt would work for us.

[Brooks]

Okay, I will be ready for your admission of guilt because last year while he was playing, he was the quarterback. 18 in points per game, his 16 game pace. Jason, I am so glad you brought that up. 4,400 yards, 31 touchdowns. That reminds me of a couple fellas last year. Kirk Cousins. 4,300 yards and 30 touchdowns. Jason, you have besmirched the name of Kirk Cousins as a Fantasy player last year, Philip Rivers, 4,300 yards and 32 touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

I love the way he runs the ball.

[Brooks]

Okay, well, Kirk cousins, Philip Rivers, quarterbacks 11 and 12 on the season last year. Let's get to the rushing fallacy. 2017, when Carson Wentz was your quote MVP run, he was averaging 23 rushing yards a game. That's not a running quarterback. That's a mobile quarterback who can move around in the pocket. That's fine, but he doesn't put on rushing yards. We've only seen him for three years, and his rookie year we saw a 2.6% or 2.6 touchdown percent. He skyrocketed to a 7.5% on his MVP season. That's fantastic. Unsustainable. You saw him drop to 5.2%, which is a reasonable number. Djax certainly will help him out, but now he's starting the season with a broken finger. I just have Carson Wentz ranked where he is, who he actually is.

[Andy Holloway]

It's.

[Brooks]

He's a fantastic quarterback, but unless you aren't giving me those unsustainable touchdown percentages, he is just right there at that quarterback 10 range.

[Jason Moore]

I have such a hard time, though, with the that argument and then looking at somebody like Baker, who you have ranked five spots ahead, who you're going to have to get that kind of efficiency from to be the number five because he doesn't run the football and he runs it less than Carson Wentz does. But it's not for me to decide.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. It's for the judge. But I do want to make an objection because you're final.

[Brooks]

My final thought here, I object, is you guys are like, yes, he has his best wide receivers, the best wide receiving crew of his career. He's got the best running backs of his career as well. And I'm not talking about pass catching. I'm talking about guys who can actually run the ball in Jordan Howard and Miles Sanders. You think that won't make an impact on their decision to run the ball more?

[Jason Moore]

All right, compelling arguments. Mike. We accused you of putting a hit out on Carson Wentz's value.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm still going to object.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

The 23 rushing yards a game is a rushing quarterback. That's 360.

[Jason Moore]

I wouldn't call that a rush.

[Andy Holloway]

No, it's not. It's not. Lamar Jackson, Cam Newton is not like, you know, the guys that are rushing for 600, but when you rush for almost 400 yards, it makes the difference. That was the difference between the fantasy finish, because fantasy scoring is Stupid for quarterbacks on fantasy football.

[Jason Moore]

All right, your honor, Judge Giamatti, feel free to weigh in. I rule in favor of the defendant.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you're an ugly man. You're an ugly idiot.

[Jason Moore]

Jason, he still has to rule in a couple more cases. You might want to reign that back.

[Andy Holloway]

I was talking to Borland over there. Talking to Brooks, that handsome chap? Come on. I would never.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we ready for another case? Let's do it.

[Andy Holloway]

Plaintiff Jason Moore is accusing Andy Holloway of first degree fraud against the Lizard King's reign on the best offense in the NFL.

[Jason Moore]

Might wanna speak to the actual player. You're accusing me of fraud against Sammy Watkins?

[Brooks]

We all know who the Lizard King is.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, well.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, he is cold blooded. Your Honor, Sammy Watkins is a cold blooded killer on the field. When he has been out there, he has been great. He was drafted to be so in the 2014 NFL Draft. Yes, it had Odell Beckham and Mike Evans and a highly touted Kelvin Benjamin. But Sammy Watkins was taken ahead of all of them and he came out and dominated to start his career with Tyrod Taylor. Unfortunately, injuries have derailed his career and he has not been able to do it on the field for a full season in a long time.

[Brooks]

It's not very lizard like.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not. Well, I mean, lizards reach jail has grown back, I believe. And I believe he is ready now to play a solid 16 games. But here's the reality with Sammy Watkins. When he was out on the field, he had almost the same target share as Tyreek Hill. He is on the Kansas City Chiefs. He is a touchdown threat. We've seen that his entire career. He's blazing fast and just speaking to fantasy. When he was out there last season, I mean, we've already seen him with Tyree Kill. He played in eight games. He had three top fantasy finishes. And in six of his eight games, he was a wide receiver, 34 or better. Those are solid numbers. I'm not saying he's going to be a top 10 wide receiver, but right now he's being drafted in the 40s at wide receiver, which is basically his floor. It's beyond his floor if he's actually healthy. Now, my.

[Brooks]

Colleague, you're not helping your argument.

[Andy Holloway]

My colleague here is going to bring up the injury risk. He's going to say that this is a preemptive strike. This is lawyering 101. Yeah, I went to lawyering school.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

My colleague is bringing up. Yeah, no, I never shut up. I slept in, overslept. My colleague's going to bring up the injury history and I would just like to bring up the fact that plenty of players have a long injury history. Frank Gore, Julio Jones to start his career, plenty of guys. And then as soon as they are not injured and they play 16, we forget all about it. If Sammy Watkins were to play this season 13 games, 14, 15, or heaven forbid, 16 games, you are going to have a top 24 wide receiver for one of the best offenses with the best quarterback in the league. He's already finished every year where he's played more than 10 games. He's finished above wide receiver 40 in each of those seasons. So I believe that it's egregious to say that Sammy Watkins, where he's going, isn't an incredible value and shouldn't be drafted by all. But if you were to draft by Andy Holloway's rankings, you will never end up with Sammy Watkins because he has ranked him wide receiver 722,000.

[Jason Moore]

Mike, you're looking at me. Am I good to myself here? Not that I need much.

[Brooks]

Yeah, I'm not involved in this case here. But in the wise words of the Lizard king.

[Jason Moore]

Oh wait, did he weigh in now? Yes, we call him that because he believes he's a lizard. Now that's. It's really not a stretch as to why he gets called that, but he shares wisdom on Twitter from time to time.

[Brooks]

Yeah, I just wanted to check in space. Time is the knowledge of karma and of us. By invocation we heal.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a smart man.

[Jason Moore]

Let me address what my foolhardy colleague brought forth as his case against me. I think it's a self indicting argument because no player that is so amazing should have to be discussed in a way where you prove it to me five years after he was drafted as so amazing. But my main case is this. You can't force me to do something I don't want to do. You cannot force the Lizard King on me. It's like trying a food that I've already had before. Example, I know that I already hate black olives, so don't make me try to eat them. Stop putting them on different foods as secret black olive vessels to trick me into eating them and liking them. I don't care if Sammy's a Bill. I don't care if he's a Ram. I don't care if he's a Chief. I don't want any. I already tried it. I know what it tastes like. It left a bad taste in my mouth. The taste had foot sprains and foot soreness and foot fractures and ankle sprains and calf strains and hamstring strains and hip contusions and groin strains and rib contusions. It had volatility problems through and through. Rated as one of the most volatile players in fantasy football over the past few years. 5, 19, 18, 0, 13, 3. 11, 30, 11, 1. He's broken 100 yards three times in his last 25 starts. He's actually kind of sort of been on the field quite a bit. Just didn't do enough when you needed it. I'm never going to come around on black olives. I'm never going to come around on Sammy the lizard king because my team don't need it. He's off the board. I don't want it. I don't want that as part of my life.

[Andy Holloway]

May I ask one single question?

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Then, your honor, you may rule.

[Jason Moore]

You can ask me after the court. Okay, rules. Now, I want you to know, if you rule in favor of Jason, you have to play Sammy Watkins this whole year.

[Andy Holloway]

Congratulations.

[Jason Moore]

What do you got there? The court rules in favor of Andy Holloway.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you are such a disgusting turd.

[Brooks]

Today. Science tells us that the essence of nature is coherence.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you.

[Brooks]

To engage with the quest is to become one with it.

[Jason Moore]

Well, it's lizard knowledge. What was your one question?

[Andy Holloway]

My one question is, have you ever enjoyed a Schlotsky sandwich and said to me that you actually liked these black olives on that sandwich?

[Brooks]

Oh, no.

[Andy Holloway]

Has that judge? You better be ready, Andy.

[Brooks]

You better be ready.

[Jason Moore]

There was one time.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, well, enjoy having Sammy Watkins on your team.

[Jason Moore]

Now, look, if you put Sammy on a Schlotzki sandwich, I'm okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Hashtag notasponsor.

[Jason Moore]

What's great about this is I still have this memory of being a kid, and my dad would do this thing with food sometimes where he'd say, open your mouth, close your eyes. I'm gonna give you a surprise. And he put a different food that he wanted me to try. A food, and it was black olives. And I just. From that moment on, he wasn't my father.

[Andy Holloway]

They are delicious.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so that's when we. I haven't spoken to him since. All right, one more case.

[Andy Holloway]

Plaintiff Mike Wright is accusing Jason Moore of wearing third degree blue colored glasses while looking at Sterling Shepherd.

[Brooks]

Your honor.

[Jason Moore]

No, I'm just letting it play forever.

[Brooks]

Your honor, I'm back. Back again. And this honestly, is just. There's not much of an argument to me to be made here. Sterling Shepard is a Side salad. He is not a main course.

[Andy Holloway]

Sounds healthy, so it's good for you, Brooks.

[Brooks]

The New York Giants are missing their main course. Sterling Shepard has had the benefit of playing with Odell Beckham being on a better offense. We know that Eli Manning is a much, much better quarterback when Odell Beckham is on the field. Keeps drives alive. We have seen Sterling Shepard have the chance to play without Odell Beckham. And what happens to his fantasy value? It goes up marginally. He's in the games that he plays with Odell beckham in from 2017 to 2018, 16 games. Sterling Shepard was putting up about 11 PPR points a week. The 11 games, the 11. We're talking a sample that has not. This isn't the juju sample without Antonio Brown. This is 11 games when he's. When Sterling shepherd is playing without Odell Beckham, he vaults up the mountain all the way to 13 PPR points a game. He just does not have the skill set to be the number one wide receiver. He needs Batman there, and he does not take this huge jump, in my opinion.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, I've heard your idiocy, and now I will hit you with brilliance.

[Jason Moore]

He learned that line at lawyering school.

[Andy Holloway]

That's darn it.

[Jason Moore]

You always call them an idiot.

[Andy Holloway]

One, eight, eight, eight, lawyering school. The numbers check out there. Don't worry about it. Look, Sterling Shepard is a good receiver. He is now the number one receiver. And if you want to argue, it's Golden Tate. He can't be argued for the first quarter of the season while Golden Tate is out on a suspension that we all knew he would be out from.

[Brooks]

Your honor, exhibit A.

[Andy Holloway]

Sterling shepherd last season was the wide receiver 30 as a side salad. Now Odell Beckham is gone, which my colleague here has already proved helps just marginally. Just two more fantasy points a game. But it's a good thing he plays better without Odell Beckham there and can step up into that role. So he's going to go up from wide receiver 30 last year. Now he's the main target. No Golden Tate, no Odell Beckham. I feel like there's a real value here, but. Your honor, may I call a witness to the stand?

[Jason Moore]

You may.

[Brooks]

Objection.

[Jason Moore]

Overruled.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you, your honor. I call.

[Jason Moore]

Didn't state any objection, just objected.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, objection. That's what you do.

[Jason Moore]

I don't like it.

[Andy Holloway]

I would call to the stand Matthew Harmon of reception perception found in the ultimate draft kit. Here is Matt Harmon. Do you swear to tell the truth? Yes, I do. Hey, guys. What's up? I'm cool. Matt Harmon. Sterling shepherd has steadily improved in each of his pro seasons, but last year was certainly his best as a route runner. Shepard's 74.6% success rate versus man coverage put him in the 90th percentile among receivers charted since 2014. He also managed an 82nd percentile success rate versus press coverage score.

[Jason Moore]

Matt Harmon's so.

[Andy Holloway]

Matt Harmon's gonna be so pissed. This is the coolest I can do. Matt, I'm trying to do you justice. The point is this. He goes on to say he dominates in reception perception, and he is clearly good enough to be the flanker. He's good in contested catches, good against press coverage, and good against man coverage. He's a quality receiver who's the number one for his team, who finished wide receiver 30 last year and now has more targets coming his way. Your Honor, I rest my case.

[Jason Moore]

I will say this. He's probably been under talked about, if that's a thing. I don't think. I don't think there's been a lot. There's not been enough Sterling Shepard discussion. The hand problem has not helped. If you want to be lined up to move from side salad to main course, the hand injury doesn't help a lot.

[Brooks]

What do you.

[Jason Moore]

What do you. What are you saying, Judge?

[Brooks]

And before you rule, I just want to throw out that he was actually worse last year when Odo Beckham was off the field.

[Jason Moore]

Just a throw in. Just a throw in.

[Andy Holloway]

Small, little, itty bitty sample.

[Jason Moore]

Okay? The court rules in favor of defendant Jason Moore.

[Andy Holloway]

What a handsome, fucking strapping fellow you are.

[Brooks]

The last thing I will say here, because we need total transparency. Judge, do you have Sterling Shepard on your Dynasty team?

[Jason Moore]

Yes. Because he's a very talented player.

[Andy Holloway]

Boom.

[Jason Moore]

In other words, Mike's gonna have to appeal to a higher court.

[Brooks]

Yes, I am.

[Jason Moore]

I've been called that higher court at times. I did modify Sterling Shepherd's projection during the show. I think I had him a little too low.

[Brooks]

Do I need to move him up?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, you do, sir.

[Jason Moore]

You do need to move him up a little bit.

[Andy Holloway]

One hearts and minds.

[Jason Moore]

We were both factoring in, you know, the doubt at the. You know, with the hand injury and whether he's going, you know, was going to be 100% going into week one. We do have some time for. Well, let's. Let's do a little mailbag.

[Mike Wright]

Mailbag.

[Brooks]

Mailbag.

[Jason Moore]

Mike, I'm looking at your microphone, and you've got, like, the pop filter on it. Mm. And it's a little sparkly. Why do you have such a sparkly pop filter, Mike?

[Brooks]

You don't like Bedazzle?

[Jason Moore]

Okay, that's just you're a little different than we are. It's just a little bit scratchier.

[Brooks]

I got a shine.

[Jason Moore]

I just don't know why you would change it. I don't know why you would modify what you had. But okay, all right, don't stop me from shining. If you have a question for the show, go to the website the fantasy footballers.com, click the submit a question button or dial our voicemail hotline. 302464, TFFB. Jump into a couple questions here. Brent in North Bend, Washington. I drafted Damian Williams in the fourth round as my flex yesterday. I didn't handcuff him with Darwin Thompson, but Darwin Thompson did go undrafted. Should I drop Kalen Balaj for him to my answer? Yeah, it's a 1 point PPR. I would say no and I want to tell you why. And these guys you can share whether you would. It's. It's an interesting decision to make. The reason I say no is that I think that there is a lot of fire to the smoke of a Kenyon Drake trade from the Miami Dolphins to the Houston Texans involved in the Jadavian Clowney transaction. Same with Kenny Stills. I believe that something's going to happen. I don't think Jadavian Clowney is going to stay in Houston. He's met with Miami officials. I think something's going to go down and if something goes down, I still want Balaj in the starting spot more than I do Darwin Thompson. And I like Darwin.

[Brooks]

Yeah, I like Darwin as well. But this is a floor play. I mean I would rather have the upside that Damian Williams is the starting running back as you drafted him and Caleb Bellange is a starting running back as you have drafted him. There's very few scenarios where I like getting my handcuff. One that I talked about yesterday was Zeke because we know that if Zeke misses Tony Pollard is going to be the starter for those games that Zeke is out. There's no like if Damian Williams isn't the guy, it might be Darrell Williams. There's no guarantee that Darwin steps into that starting role. So go for ceiling here at the beginning of the season. I agree at handcuffs like halfway through as you make a playoff run.

[Mike Wright]

Breaking news.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Speaking Wednesday, John lynch indicated Jerick McKinnon suffered another setback seriously in his return to practice on Tuesday, being described once again as a flare up attempted to return to Practice yesterday was not encouraging is the quote from John Lynch. It reiterates the problem after problem he's had this offseason. It seems like there is. Look, there's a chance he gets cut.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

There's a chance he's released with an injury settlement. That's what I believe.

[Brooks]

Now if he's not cut, he's at least starting the season on the IR and they're, they're not going to bring him back.

[Jason Moore]

All your Matt Breida shares late. All your Tevin Coleman drafts late, fifth round Tevin Coleman, you're going to be very, very happy with what you have with both players.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean the McKinnon, this isn't like, oh my gosh, I'm shocked. This has been something you've been able to see. When he first came off in, you know, early in the off season, he had a flare up. Whenever that happens after the main recovery timeline, you can almost expect there to be more issues along the way. This is why we've been pounding the drum for Matt Breida late. Hopefully a lot of foot clan people have him out there. He's going to be a startable fantasy option.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And then you start to look at Jerick McKinnon in dynasty leagues and wonder if there's any future for him at all. This was not a situation where Jerick McKinnon was this incumbent superstar in San Francisco. They need to play the best players they got. It's unfortunate. Reed in Montreal, Canada.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, bonjour.

[Jason Moore]

A lot of mock drafts that I have been in says Reed have seen Lamar Jackson drop decently late. Still available in the final few rounds along with Josh Allen. Yeah, we've seen the same thing. If that opportunity comes up during a real draft and both were available, who would you prefer? Right now I believe I have Josh Allen ranked higher than LaMar Jackson in four point quarterback touchdown leagues, which is what he's in. So Eileen, Josh Allen by. But I would go with your own personal conviction between those two. I think they're both good players.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I would lean Allen. I think his body can hold up a little bit better than Lamar Jackson's. But this is the one situation. There's a few guys at the very end of a draft, a few guys that I am willing to bypass my, whatever it is, my sixth wide receiver or running back or whatever, and go with two quarterbacks on a roster to see how the season starts. Two of those guys are Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. If you can get both, I mean, I'm very confident that you're going to have a great, great combined quarterback there. I would be willing to do that.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Miguel in Dallas has a question. How much importance do you guys give to draft grades? In my Yahoo app, you get a grade based on your picks and it ranks you amongst the other teams. I was confident with my picks and then I was graded dead last with a grade of D despite having a team with Christian McCaffrey, Dalvin Cook, David Montgomery, Evan Ingram, Brandon Cooks, Julian Edelman, and Lamar Jackson.

[Andy Holloway]

Sounds great.

[Jason Moore]

That is a team with great running back depth.

[Andy Holloway]

Draft crates don't matter. They're so stupid. They are. And they make you feel bad or good. And regardless, half the time they're wrong.

[Jason Moore]

That's 100% true. And if you get a good grade, you're like, yeah, I did. But they're just as stupid when you get a good grade as you are a bad grade. A good grade could convince you to rest on the laurels of your draft and not make transactions or believe that your team is, I don't know, a super team. And then the. The bad grades could cause you to get discouraged and overreact. And tilt trade. They are algorithmic. They are based entirely on that platform's projections, that platform's hypothesis on those players and algorithms that they build out to combine players on your roster and decide whether or not you have a better roster than somebody else.

[Andy Holloway]

They can't take into account so many roster construction things. They can't take into account if you've matched big upside players with safe players. If you've got a, you know, a handcuff versus. I mean, it's. It's just a computer. Taking a guess is dumb.

[Brooks]

You should tell him to eat that grade just right. Well, I don't know if you know what I mean.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, well, that's terrible. And we're leaving. Goodbye. Hey, check out pristineauction.com assigned Devonte Adams jersey, $88. I'm gonna get the mics off as soon as we can. Take care, everybody.

[Brooks]

Goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

See you tomorrow.

[Brooks]

Goodbye.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on JoinTheFoot.com and follow us on Twitter. The FFballers.

[Andy Holloway]

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