The “My Guys” Episode + Players to Forgive: LIVE in LA

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary: "The 'My Guys' Episode + Players to Forgive: LIVE in LA"

Release Date: August 5, 2019

Hosted live at Largo in Los Angeles, the Fantasy Footballers—Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright—delivered an engaging episode packed with insightful analysis, strong opinions, and matchup-winning advice. This detailed summary captures the key discussions, notable quotes, and concluding thoughts from the episode, providing a comprehensive overview for both regular listeners and newcomers.

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1. Players to Forgive

The episode began with a thought-provoking segment where the hosts contemplated which underappreciated players deserve forgiveness in the fantasy football landscape.

• Andy Holloway on Devonta Freeman ([02:17]):

  "Devonta Freeman, I do not forgive you."

  Andy candidly expressed his frustration with Freeman, who had previously been a cornerstone of Andy's fantasy team but failed to deliver in the current season. Despite recognizing Freeman's potential due to his involvement in a high-powered offense, Andy remains steadfast in his decision to overlook him in his rankings.

• Mike Wright on Delaney Walker ([04:05]): Mike shifted the focus to the tight end position, lamenting its current dismal state.

  "Have you, like, we've all been watching HBO's Chernobyl. That's pretty much. That sums up the tight end landscape."

  Highlighting Delaney Walker as a potential forgiveness candidate, Mike acknowledged his reliability despite recent setbacks. However, recognizing the tight end position's overall struggles, Mike emphasized the necessity to reconsider Walker's value.

• Jason Moore on David Johnson ([07:38]): Jason suggested broader forgiveness within the top picks.

  "We should forgive David Johnson."

  By advocating for forgiving David Johnson, Jason pointed out that despite past performance issues, Johnson remains a valuable asset poised for a successful season.

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2. Fantasy News Highlights

The hosts delved into significant fantasy football news, providing updates and their implications for fantasy managers.

• Michael Thomas' Contract Extension ([10:11]–[12:01]): Michael Thomas secured a hefty $100 million, five-year extension, solidifying his status as the highest-paid wide receiver in the NFL.

  "He's the most. He's the highest paid wide receiver in football."

  Andy noted the importance of Thomas in Dynasty leagues, especially with Drew Brees' potential retirement, positioning Thomas as a must-own player moving forward.

• Melvin Gordon's Trade Request and Ezekiel Elliott's Situation ([12:01]–[13:14]): The discussion highlighted Melvin Gordon's trade request and Ezekiel Elliott's stability within the Titans.

  Jason: "Do the Vincent Jackson dance."

  Mike reassured managers about Elliott's standing, dismissing concerns about trade speculations and affirming his continued value in drafts.

• Theo Riddick Joins Denver Broncos ([13:14]–[14:06]): Theo Riddick's signing was discussed briefly, with the hosts expressing disappointment over its minimal fantasy impact.

  Andy: "This really doesn't deserve that."

• Josh Gordon's Reinstatement Efforts ([14:50]–[16:14]): The possibility of Josh Gordon returning to play was examined, with Andy expressing cautious optimism while highlighting Gordon's inconsistent history.

  Andy: "I do not see him as a 16 game guy. I just don't."

• Andrew Luck's Calf Injury ([16:44]–[17:44]): Concerns about Andrew Luck's recurring calf injury led the hosts to advise lowering his draft priority due to prolonged recovery risks.

  Andy: "I worry. I think you have to move him down a little bit."

• Damian Williams and Chiefs' Backfield Dynamics ([17:49]–[19:18]): The injury status of Damian Williams and its impact on the Chiefs' backfield was analyzed, with discussions on potential drafts depending on team roster moves.

  Mike: "If Melvin Gordon to the Chiefs, I will move Damian Williams down."

• Antonio Brown's Health Update ([19:27]–[20:03]): Antonio Brown's visit to a foot specialist raised concerns about his availability and performance.

  Andy: "If my feet looked like that, I would be seeing a foot specialist immediately."

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3. "My Guys" Segment

In this highly anticipated segment, each host selected their top fantasy players—termed "My Guys"—explaining their choices with detailed analysis and personal anecdotes.

Jason Moore’s Top Picks:

1. Carson Wentz (Quarterback) ([23:25]–[26:49]): Jason champions Carson Wentz, projecting him to lead his fantasy team to a Super Bowl victory.

   Jason: "My guy, number one, Carson Wentz. Because they're gonna win the Super Bowl."

   He cited Wentz's consistency and the offensive improvements under the Eagles' quarterback play, emphasizing Wentz's heightened performance when key receivers like Alshon Jeffrey are healthy.

2. Chase Edmonds ([No specific segment, inferred from later context]): Mentioned indirectly through discussions about quarterback stacking but not explicitly listed.

Mike Wright’s Top Picks:

1. Robbie Anderson (Wide Receiver) ([28:04]–[31:00]): Mike emphasizes Robbie Anderson's breakout potential despite past inconsistencies.

   Mike: "Robbie Anderson is one of my guys."

   Highlighting Anderson's increased targets and mentorship under Brandon Marshall, Mike underscores the Jets' strategic patience in developing Anderson's talent.

2. James Conner (Running Back) ([40:51]–[43:31]): James Conner is lauded for his dual-threat capabilities and significant role in the Steelers' offense.

   Mike: "He is an incredible value at the back of the first round."

   Mike analyzes Conner's performance metrics, supporting his ranking as a high-value pick in early drafts.

3. Jared Goff (Quarterback) ([55:08]–[58:44]): Jared Goff is recognized for his improving performance under Sean McVay's offensive schemes.

   Mike: "Jared Goff is a good quarterback who is getting better."

   He notes Goff's increased touchdown efficiency and growing trust from his coaching staff, positioning him as a reliable late-round quarterback option.

Andy Holloway’s Top Picks:

1. Kerryon Johnson (Running Back) ([31:38]–[44:23]): Andy passionately defends Kerryon Johnson's fantasy potential, backed by proprietary metrics and historical performance data.

   Andy: "Kerryon Johnson is a great receiving back and he's the 94th percentile in his metrics on second level yards."

   He discusses Johnson's role in the Titans' offense, his receiving capabilities, and the importance of his contribution to Terry Richardson's schemes.

2. Robert Woods (Wide Receiver) ([44:23]–[50:51]): Andy praises Robert Woods for his consistency and role within Sean McVay's offense, advocating for his elevated draft position.

   Andy: "Robert Woods is very good. He's a solid wide receiver."

   He rebukes public underestimation of Woods, highlighting his route-running proficiency and alignment with a top-tier offensive coordinator.

3. Cam Newton (Quarterback) ([60:58]–[62:34]): Cam Newton is presented as a late-round quarterback gem with championship potential.

   Andy: "Cam Newton, he's my third quarterback. Late round, my guy."

   Highlighting Newton's durability and offensive flexibility despite past injuries, Andy positions him as a high-reward pick for savvy managers.

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4. Live Mailbag

The episode concluded with an interactive mailbag segment where listeners posed fantasy-related questions, prompting dynamic responses from the hosts.

• Logan’s Question on Retro Video Games ([63:31]–[65:17]): A nine-year-old listener inquired about classic video games to explore.

  Mike: "Pick up a Super Nintendo classic and play the Legend of Zelda, a link to the past, the greatest video game that has ever been created."

  The hosts recommended timeless games like Tecmo Super Bowl and Super Mario World, blending nostalgia with fun suggestions for young gamers.

• Butterface’s Query on Consistent Performers ([65:24]–[73:49]): Butterface wondered which players consistently achieve top 12 weekly performances without finishing as primary starters.

  Mike: "I would say it's still Cooper Cup because it's the low injury hanging fruit."

  The hosts discussed players like Davante Adams and David Montgomery, analyzing their consistency and potential for fluctuating weekly performances.

• Ryan’s Dynasty Trade Dilemma ([70:32]–[72:52]): Ryan faced a tough choice between trading Nick Chubb or holding onto him amidst potential workload changes.

  Jason: "There's a risk at the knee. You could be in a really rough situation with Gurley and there's a three year age gap."

  The discussion revolved around balancing risk and reward, with considerations of player durability and team dynamics influencing trade strategies.

• Tim Tapping’s Bust Potential Question ([73:01]–[73:49]): Tim inquired about wide receivers with high bust potential despite strong performances.

  Andy: "I think it's Cooper Cup because it's very hard to recover as quickly as he has."

  The hosts identified Cooper Kupp as a player with significant upside but potential injury concerns affecting his reliability.

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Conclusion

The "My Guys" Episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast provided fans with a wealth of information, from deliberations on forgiving underperforming players to strategic player selections for upcoming seasons. The live LA setting added an energetic atmosphere, enhancing the hosts' dynamic interactions and in-depth analyses. Whether you're strategizing your draft picks, staying updated on league news, or seeking expert opinions on player performances, this episode delivered invaluable insights to help you win your fantasy leagues—in style.

Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway on Devonta Freeman ([02:17]):

  "Devonta Freeman, I do not forgive you."

• Mike Wright on Delaney Walker ([04:05]):

  "Have you, like, we've all been watching HBO's Chernobyl. That's pretty much. That sums up the tight end landscape."

• Jason Moore on Carson Wentz ([23:25]):

  "My guy, number one, Carson Wentz. Because they're gonna win the Super Bowl."

• Mike Wright on Robbie Anderson ([28:04]):

  "Robbie Anderson is one of my guys."

• Andy Holloway on Robert Woods ([44:23]):

  "Robert Woods is very good. He's a solid wide receiver."

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

Foreign to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from Pristine Auction.com Studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Let's go. Oh, that's new. That's new. That's special. Welcome in to.

[Andy Holloway]

You.

[Jason Moore]

Gonna feed them early, Jay. Welcome into the Fantasy Footballers Podcast live in Los Angeles at the Largo.

[Mike Wright]

They forgot where they were for a second, but they figured it out.

[Jason Moore]

No, that's us. We have a great show for you today. I'm so excited. My goodness. Full house. Full house here in la. I got a great quick question for you guys. So prepare your minds, prepare your brains.

[Mike Wright]

Okay?

[Jason Moore]

There is one more stop on the people's Fantasy tour. It's going to be easier for us. It's back home. We're going to drive down the street. Here's a quick question for the day. It's a good one. Who is a player that you or maybe the fantasy community, they don't want to forgive. You don't. You don't want to forgive, but you probably need to forgive. You all have one. I know out there. So Mike, Jason, they're all yelling them as well. Who's the player that you probably should forgive?

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to let Jason go because it's a man that I have you forgive him.

[Andy Holloway]

So here's mine.

[Mike Wright]

But you should too.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean you've forgiven him, Mike, you should forgive him. I should forgive him. But I'm going to be really honest. I'm going to, you know, be vulnerable here. I have not forgiven him. I really, truly, 100% have not. I find that so. You know, we want to be honest with our rankings. We try to be as accurate as humanly possible. We put a lot of work, energy, effort. But I know there is bias in this pick because I was so scarred. Everyone remembers I built a super team last year.

[Jason Moore]

I remember.

[Andy Holloway]

And that super team included one of the best running back, one of your cap game, one of the captains, Devonta Freeman.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And he along with a few others personally dive bombed my team. We've all been there and look, I. I recognize it from the analysis side. I recognize that he's on a high power offense. I am not in the least scared of the incoming rookie or Ido Smith who stinks. This is. This is maybe.

[Jason Moore]

You hear that Ito?

[Andy Holloway]

This is maybe the best. Is he here?

[Jason Moore]

I can't.

[Mike Wright]

If he is, we don't know because.

[Jason Moore]

We can't see Atlanta Falcons offensive line is.

[Andy Holloway]

But. But the reality is this should be a good offense. I know that I'm not as high on Matt Ryan as you guys, but it's still a good offense. The offensive line might be the best they've had in years. And Devonta Freeman's not currently injured. He's actually fine right now. So everything says he should be a quality fantasy option. And I look at my rankings, I think he's in my 20s. Like, I'm. And I'm not drafting him. And you know what? Sometimes you just gotta take a guy off your board in spite. And I've done it. Devonta Freeman, I do not forgive you.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

At least I'm honest.

[Jason Moore]

That took a turn.

[Mike Wright]

Did you hear the question?

[Andy Holloway]

I should forgive, but haven't it is that's the answer to the question that.

[Jason Moore]

Is technically accurate, Mike. He said he should.

[Mike Wright]

My goodness.

[Jason Moore]

But he has not. Are you gonna go? You want me to go?

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, I'll jump in here. There is a tight end in the landscape. And look, that position is. It's been referred to as a lot of things.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's not good.

[Mike Wright]

Most of them are words that we can't say on this podcast.

[Jason Moore]

Let's just say, let's go wasteland.

[Andy Holloway]

Have you.

[Mike Wright]

Have you, like, we've all been watching HBO's Chernobyl. That's pretty much. That sums up the tight end landscape.

[Andy Holloway]

Of how it happens. Too soon, Mike. For.

[Mike Wright]

For a Chernobyl joke?

[Jason Moore]

Too soon for.

[Mike Wright]

Look, Mother Russia, I apologize.

[Jason Moore]

That's the first apology you've given to them.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you would.

[Mike Wright]

You know what? I take it back. I apologize for nothing. But look, there's a. There is a tight end.

[Jason Moore]

Mike, you're famous for not apologizing.

[Mike Wright]

Look, there is. There is a tight end who's going out there. Look, he is. He is by no means any. He is not the new hotness. He is.

[Jason Moore]

He's basically the opposite of that.

[Andy Holloway]

Old Busted.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, but here's the deal for this player. Let me read off his finishes before last year where he got hurt as.

[Jason Moore]

Opposed to his name. Go on.

[Mike Wright]

Tight end six, tight end five, tight end four. Like, those are great finishes. He's old Delaney Walker. He's back for. Forgive him for Walker. Forgive him for getting hurt. He's going. He's gonna be. Look, I'm not saying that Delaney Walker is gonna bring you top three numbers, but Delaney Walker is well within the realm of finishing easily as a tight end 12, if not better. He's just. He is. He is safe in a landscape that is disgusting. You can boo now and then we'll.

[Andy Holloway]

Talk at the end of the season.

[Jason Moore]

I just want to be clear. So you're forgiving him?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

For injuring himself. Is that what. Because that's what that is, right?

[Mike Wright]

Well, he didn't injure himself for being injured. Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Delaney Walker, Jordan Reed this year. Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

We all know the answer.

[Mike Wright]

Why you got to bring up Sophie's Choice on the podcast, bro? You know I love injured tight ends.

[Jason Moore]

You do?

[Andy Holloway]

So just to chime in real quick, because I get it. I know that Delaney Walker seems like a good value. I feel the same with Greg Olson and plenty of these old guys from yesteryear. Sure. But the reality is, like, Trey Burton was the tight end seven last year. If you just look at that, you're like, oh, great, he was great. But Trey Burton sucked. Nobody was happy. Nobody was happy that they drafted Trey Burton. So the point is here, I feel like I want to take a shot at a guy who had, like, Jordan Reed, I feel like has a better shot of being a top six tight end than Delaney.

[Mike Wright]

I'm perfectly fine if you want to take the swing on Jordan Reed, so maybe he was the guy you should have forgiven.

[Jason Moore]

But I think.

[Mike Wright]

Who did the Titans promote to be their offensive coordinator?

[Jason Moore]

Delaney Walker.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my gosh. That's great for him.

[Mike Wright]

A tight end assistant.

[Andy Holloway]

Ah. So can I choose D?

[Jason Moore]

None of the above on these old tight ends.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's fine. That's fine.

[Jason Moore]

I get it. I get it. People, forget about it. It's not like Corey Davis is stealing away value in Tennessee or anything. All right.

[Mike Wright]

The only man who can't steal candy from a baby.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. This show has been so negative towards the players that, like, we're trying to forgive a job.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we're trying to forgive. And so far, the vaunt of Freeman and Delaney Walker.

[Jason Moore]

Look, I can make it easier on you, okay?

[Andy Holloway]

This is a. This is actually good.

[Jason Moore]

We should probably look the burns for top 10 picks. They're deep.

[Andy Holloway]

Top three picks.

[Jason Moore]

Top three picks. We should forgive David Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. The people agree.

[Jason Moore]

Like, I mean, if you're willing. I mean, maybe just throw it out there. Throw it out there. If you're willing to forgive David Johnson.

[Mike Wright]

I wasn't ready. I had to plug the ear. I had to get my Aguilera on.

[Jason Moore]

So here's the thing.

[Andy Holloway]

I was ready.

[Jason Moore]

Jeff Fisher was to Todd GURLEY what Mike McCoy was to David Johnson.

[Mike Wright]

Very accurate.

[Jason Moore]

Which is.

[Andy Holloway]

That's on the SATs.

[Jason Moore]

From. From what I can tell, that. That what he was was a dementor sucking the soul from his face.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And specifically, it's Pass catching. Because when David Johnson was everything in fantasy football, he had 120 targets, 80 receptions in 2016. Mike McCoy said, you know what? 76 targets, 50 receptions. Even though you were PFF ranked David Johnson the best pass catcher out of all running backs and wide receivers in 2016. And he said, let's, let's not say.

[Mike Wright]

We did because Mike McCoy goes for a jog and he's like, whoa, this is too fast.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

So slow it down.

[Andy Holloway]

And here's the thing.

[Jason Moore]

When Gurley got rid of his Jeff Fisher problem, sure, people still doubt it and the burns are real. You don't want to forgive, but David Johnson is set up for success. Faster pace of play in Arizona. The song needs to come back. It's been a while.

[Andy Holloway]

We'll get there.

[Mike Wright]

We'll get there.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so we've forgiven one of one of three. Before we get into the news and there's a lot to cover and before we get into my guys, I do want to give a special shout out to our tour partner, St. Jude.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

So let's get into the news.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league presented by sleeper. LA is feisty. People love the news.

[Jason Moore]

I know one player that loves the news.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yes, he does.

[Jason Moore]

And his name is Michael Thomas. Michael Thomas, $100 million five year extension. 100 million.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

That's a really current movie.

[Jason Moore]

Very nice.

[Mike Wright]

I didn't expect that to land.

[Jason Moore]

I didn't at all.

[Mike Wright]

I was just.

[Jason Moore]

Most of yours.

[Mike Wright]

You were saying.

[Jason Moore]

But the thing is, is the last time we had a show, he wasn't in camp. Now he's been paid. He's the most. He's the highest paid wide receiver in football. So the news story is he's going to play.

[Andy Holloway]

And look, he's a new story for some certain. Oh my gosh. Yes. It was nice to have his holdout over for redraft for keeper leagues. You're all in on Michael Thomas. That's great. He's got a hall of fame quarterback. But I think for Dynasty is why this matters more. You knew it was coming. But until it it did. You know now that the future is secured. So let's say Drew Brees retires this year. After. After this year he has paid so much money. Michael Thomas is going to be one of the, at that point, three highest paid wide receivers in the league that you have to get him the ball. He is the clear number one for whoever, for Teddy 2 gloves or if they draft somebody, I think Bridgewater could get him the ball. So I've always been a little bit, you know, rewind the tape a year. And Michael Thomas to me hasn't been in that top three three wide receiver and dynasty standpoint because of the future of Drew Brees. But money matters in the NFL. He got paid. He's going to get his.

[Jason Moore]

Get a five year like life extension.

[Andy Holloway]

Life extension. Can you get that?

[Jason Moore]

Career extension. Can I go there?

[Andy Holloway]

That makes more sense.

[Jason Moore]

So he's in camp. It's a good point in Dynasty. That's a lot of money. Julio will probably break that soon. By the way.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Melvin Gordon's agent requested a trade. So we need to do the fun off season. Melvin Gordon, Ezekiel Elliott, watch. Let's cover them both. Because Jerry Jones came out and he said he's confident they'll reach an agreement, but then he won't cave and it could last months into the season. We have been very vocal, like, very worried about Melvin missing time. It makes sense strategically for him to show up halfway through the season. Do the Vincent Jackson dance.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

But Zeke, we haven't been very worried about. Does any of this bluster in the news or in the public eye matter to you?

[Mike Wright]

Not for Zeke. This is just Jerry Jones posturing. He's looking through the camera to Zeke saying, you want to wait a couple months? Fine, I will wait a couple months because we're not paying you right now. You will come in. You have two years left on your contract. So I'm not worried about Zeke.

[Jason Moore]

So you draft him in the same spot. You have him ranked right here, right.

[Mike Wright]

Now as the four.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Like, I'm still drafting him as in the top four, the big four of this year. But you know, Barkley and Camara and McCaffrey, they're going to go in front of Zeke for me just to mitigate that top four risk. Because those guys are. Yeah, they're all sensational.

[Andy Holloway]

You can't ignore the news. Even if you realize that the odds are that he's going to be playing week one, you can't ignore it. Especially when, like you said, the other three guys, like, Zeke is my 101. If he was in camp and signed and you know, we know for sure he's playing, I am not taking him over those other three guys at this point. And the longer it goes on, the more I'll move him down. But I. We obviously have more concern for Melvin Gordon missing time than we do for Zeke.

[Jason Moore]

All right, slightly. Slightly different running back tier. Theo Riddick signed a contract with the Denver Broncos.

[Andy Holloway]

Where's the mediocre signing of the week for that?

[Jason Moore]

I don't.

[Mike Wright]

Because it doesn't even deserve that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it really doesn't.

[Mike Wright]

Look theoretic. You hang your side.

[Andy Holloway]

Mediocre signing of the week.

[Jason Moore]

Just add him to the list of players we've insulted on the show.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Look, this only matters if you were one of those die hard, devonte Booker truthers, which for me, like, he's been on my Dynasty team forever. And all this means to me is you can cut Booker where the day is coming.

[Andy Holloway]

You don't.

[Mike Wright]

The reckoning is here. I'll be able to cut him soon.

[Andy Holloway]

You don't think this eats into Philip Lindsay at all? Because I do. I actually, I. I do not believe as firmly in Philip Lindsay if Philip Lindsay. You know, is that right now it looks like Royce Freeman's at first, second down back. Philip Lindsay's electric but theoretic. I mean, I've got some stats later.

[Jason Moore]

Those two guys are going to share first and second down. That's the thing. Last year only had 47 targets. Exactly, exactly. Booker came in last year and annoyed people. Now Reddit gets to do that.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Josh Gordon applied for reinstatement. That was reported today.

[Mike Wright]

That's good. That's good.

[Andy Holloway]

They're used.

[Jason Moore]

About the reaction to Josh Gordon.

[Mike Wright]

Look, we're all happy that Josh Gordon is still trying to play, but I will say he's. He's not.

[Andy Holloway]

If all the.

[Mike Wright]

Look, I had someone tweet at me, Josh Gordon is back. And I said, josh Gordon is trying to come back. So let's say back yet.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's say he gets approved and the reinstatement is here and he's on the field. He's a great wide receiver. What he did in year one with Tom Brady is better than what most players do in year one with Tom Brady.

[Jason Moore]

It says something to me that they. They held on to him through obviously, his withdrawal.

[Andy Holloway]

And Brady spoke highly of him. Brady likes him. Gordon is clearly a great player. But if you think that Gordon, like, oh, there's no risk in Gordon anymore, he's back for the 17th time. Like, I root for him. I hope everything is great and he can be there for the rest of his career. But everything in history of these guys who have repeated to make the same Mistake over and over and over and over and over. Get suspended or have to leave for personal reasons. It keeps happening. So I do not see, let's say he is tomorrow reinstated. I do not see him as a 16 game guy. I just don't. I think it would be irresponsible of me to stat him as a full go all season. No worries, no risk.

[Jason Moore]

But the thing not to be missed is if he's reinstated. I do think it affects Julian Edelman and this thought that he's going to get every single target coming from Tom Brady. I expect Gordon to be reinstated but we'll find out. Do you pick him up now? Obviously you have to take your shot on him in a dynasty at this point.

[Mike Wright]

No. People still have him in dynasty leagues. It's redraft. Where are you going to start taking shots on him in the double digits and then move that up as I.

[Andy Holloway]

Still will everything I said I'll still take shots if it's double digits.

[Jason Moore]

Very important question, Jason, I need your answer.

[Andy Holloway]

Okie dokie.

[Jason Moore]

How's Andrew Luck's calf?

[Andy Holloway]

Ah, why do you got to go there? It's. It just needs more time, Andy. It just needs a couple more days and then in a couple more days we're probably going to hear it needs a couple more days.

[Jason Moore]

I moved him down.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean I was worried about it on the first day of training camp. The Colts training camp opened and he was not available. It was the same calf from literally two months prior. And that is not a normal recovery schedule for a calf. Even a severe calf strain. And the fact that he then got back into practice and now has had a new re aggravation. I worry. I think you have to move him down a little bit. I mean we're still so far away from the season that everything could be fine. I've said it before the Colts right now I have winning the super bowl as my super early pick. Obviously if Luck's not there or if he's injured come preseason games, I would change. But it's worrisome and if you're doing a draft now, you have to move them down.

[Jason Moore]

Do you agree with that?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

All right, Damian Williams, very insightful. Mike.

[Mike Wright]

I'm here for you.

[Jason Moore]

Damian Williams, this is more up your alley yet to practice with the Chiefs. Sore hamstring. Andy Reid is.

[Mike Wright]

He's got a back problem too aggravated.

[Andy Holloway]

He's got a talent like the hand.

[Mike Wright]

He does not have a talent problem.

[Jason Moore]

Andy Reid said he missed quite a bit. He missed a lot of plays. It's been great for the other guys. Carlos Hyde has done a great job.

[Andy Holloway]

Well.

[Mike Wright]

Now Andy Reid, he's got a lot of reps.

[Jason Moore]

He's taking advantage of them.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

But then further on in this report, it still said they want Damian Williams to be the guy.

[Jason Moore]

Here's what I'll say. I went in to see if I wanted to adjust Damian Williams in my, in my rankings. I only had him for like 190 something carries to begin with. That offense is so good that even if he has limited work, he will be more efficient than people think. But this is not good for him. He is not tenured.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, it's certainly not good. And I'm the Damian Williams. Truth or I. I still think they're saying, oh, they've added depth of the, the fellers that they have conglomerated into that backfield. Damian Williams still fits the scheme the best and should receive every chance to be the guy. We're still very early on in the process, but like, if Melvin Gordon to the Chiefs.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, oh, oh, my goodness. They can't afford them.

[Jason Moore]

I just wanted to throw it out there just in case.

[Mike Wright]

If that happens, I will move Damian Williams down.

[Andy Holloway]

That's big of you, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

I can admit you always say stay water.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, that's so.

[Mike Wright]

And I will move Melvin Gordon way up.

[Jason Moore]

That would be pretty incredible. Last news report today, Antonio Brown visiting a foot specialist. We haven't seen him on the field.

[Mike Wright]

We've seen his feet, though.

[Jason Moore]

Dude, I don't recommend that Instagram account before a meal.

[Mike Wright]

That dude needs to exfoliate.

[Andy Holloway]

If you guys have not seen the picture of Antonio Brown's feet, congratulations. Because it is rough. I mean, if my feet looked like that, I would be seeing a foot specialist immediately. So, I mean, this is bad. But it's still early. We're going to have extra insight into the Oakland Raiders camp.

[Jason Moore]

He was smiling in the picture, showing off his feet, which I would not have been in that condition.

[Andy Holloway]

He's also had a bleached mustache, so you don't know how much of that's gone to the brain. Look at these feet.

[Mike Wright]

Check them out.

[Jason Moore]

This show has been very interesting. A reminder that is it for the news. Grab the sleeper app, the most flexible platform.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, we'll get right back to the good stuff soon. But real quick, we want to thank today's sponsor, SeatGeek. Look, if you're looking for NFL tickets this season or any kind of tickets, you want to go to an event, you want to be there with the millions of people around the country enjoying these games. SeatGeek is the place to do it. Long time sponsor the fantasy footballers. They rate each deal on a scale of 1 to 10. There's a reason they have over 50,000 five star reviews. They're a great app, they have great prices, they pull in from a bunch of different sources, let you see the maps, pick your tickets and they're very trustworthy. They guarantee so you can shop with confidence. SeatGeek will even give you $10 off your first SeatGeek purchase. All you need to do is use our promo code. Download the SeatGeek app today and use the promo code BALLERS for $10 off your first purchase. That's promo code BALLERS for $10 OFF your first purchase with the SeatGeek app.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

I'm read.

[Jason Moore]

It always startles me.

[Mike Wright]

It's supposed to because our my guys are frequently startling.

[Jason Moore]

I mean this is. It's go time. It's August. This is flag planting time. These are players that will be associated with your name, Mike for the rest of the season until you convince people to forget about that if they struggle.

[Mike Wright]

So I my guy is Saquon Barkley.

[Jason Moore]

All right, all right. You're here for them. I'll go first. I've talked about him previously. My guy number one is Carson Wentz. Yeah, said one guy.

[Mike Wright]

Hush. Falls over the crowd.

[Jason Moore]

Two guys. He's currently being drafted at quarterback eight. I have him at quarterback five in my rankings number. Here's the first thing. I can see the future.

[Andy Holloway]

Whoa.

[Mike Wright]

Why are we doing this show? Let's go to Vegas.

[Jason Moore]

The Eagles are gonna win The Super Bowl.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I just report the facts. And here's the thing. Amazingly enough, I can actually look into the past as well with incredible accuracy. Let me get to it.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I can.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I see what you did.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Yeah, I can look back, remember how good Carson Wentz was. People need to remember how good he was in 2017. Nine of 13 weeks in the top six quarterbacks. 523-318-4-652. Consistent.

[Mike Wright]

That's also my password. I probably should not have shared information.

[Jason Moore]

It's a live show. But look, he was very consistent. And I. I've made some arguments for Carson Wentz before, and the big arguments have been things about talent.

[Andy Holloway]

Right?

[Jason Moore]

He's got Jeff Free and he's got Ertz and Goddard, and he has Miles Sanders and Aguilar and D. Jacks. And on a previous live show, I talked about the fact I went back and looked. Every single quarterback that has ever played with DeSean Jackson in the history of his career, which has been several. Has had significantly better fantasy seasons, except Jameis Winston, who is more of an enigma in and of his own. Right. But I wanted to bring forth a couple of other interesting facts. This one blew my mind. I was looking at the game splits. Alshon Jeffrey is healthy right now. When he's healthy, Wentz has been unbelievable. He's played 16 games without Alshon Jeffrey, 24 with. When Jeffrey is in and healthy, it's 1.25 more touchdowns to Carson Wentz's numbers. When he's in the game, that's a lot more. And the other thing I look at here is what has made great quarterbacks kind of like the next level over the last few years. We talk about it, this regression number of touchdown efficiency and throwing touchdowns and throwing touchdowns around the goal line. And you look at this team and you say, is Jordan Howard going to bang it in inside the 10, or is Doug Peterson going to let him throw the ball to Zach Ertz? Alshon Jeffrey, they added JJ Arcega Whiteside, whose nickname is Arcegatron.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, God.

[Andy Holloway]

Get out of here. Terrible.

[Jason Moore]

I didn't name him. He's gigantic.

[Mike Wright]

It's right there.

[Jason Moore]

I'm telling you what he prefers.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, he likes that?

[Jason Moore]

That's what they call him.

[Andy Holloway]

He's changing my view on him. That's terrible.

[Mike Wright]

I really want my nickname to be someone else's nickname.

[Jason Moore]

Slightly. Slightly. Megatron was decent. Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike actually had this idea. He's like, I want to be. I want to be like, yeah, it was a pretty good one.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. You remember that you don't want to.

[Jason Moore]

Be comped to Jordan?

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, I think they're throwing.

[Jason Moore]

I think they're throwing around the goal line. They have the bodies to do it. Goddard will be a goal line weapon as well. And so I think Carson Wentz is up for a great settle down season. Dallas Goddard in the crowd.

[Andy Holloway]

I was gonna say, that's his.

[Mike Wright]

That's Jason's cousin.

[Jason Moore]

So I. My guy, number one, Carson Wentz. Because they're gonna win the Super Bowl.

[Andy Holloway]

I love it. I love it. All right, Mike, you want to go? You want me to go?

[Mike Wright]

I'll jump in here and I'm gonna give everyone the warning. We got a small sample, extrapolation and narrative. Street, incoming. But look, one of my guys, I've tried and I've tried actually to remove him from my. My guys, but I. I just find myself drafting him over and over. Robbie Anderson, wide receiver from the New York Jets. And here's what. Here's what I have to bring. Last year, Sam Darnold, he missed some time with a foot injury. He came back, and things went crazy for Sam Darnold. It's like he figured out, oh, this is how you play quarterback in the NFL. You throw to your number one guy. Like he had back. He had back to back games. He had back to back games of 100 plus passer rating. Because in those games, Robbie Anderson was averaging 10 targets per game. He was averaging a line of six for 84 and a full touchdown. That includes Robbie Anderson's and Sam Darnold's terrible game against New England to close out the season. Over that time, Robbie Anderson was the wide receiver 7 in points per game. And if you want to be awesome and remove the New England game, guess what? He was wide receiver, too.

[Jason Moore]

If you take his bad games out, his stats goal he improves.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, shockingly.

[Jason Moore]

Shockingly, I got to do that more.

[Mike Wright]

And the jets have been smart. They put a second round tender on him. That means that they value this player. And so Robbie signed it. He's getting 3 million to play. So they're being patient. So that means that Robbie Anderson's playing for his big boy contract right now. He was an undrafted free agent. He hasn't been paid real, real money. He's playing for it right now. And he spent this offseason. He's working out with Brandon Marshall. Hines Ward is around as a coaching intern for the Jets.

[Jason Moore]

Narrative street here at college.

[Mike Wright]

I warned you that it was coming.

[Andy Holloway]

He did warn. I'll allow it.

[Mike Wright]

He's six.

[Andy Holloway]

Three with four.

[Mike Wright]

Four speed in reception, perception. He scores among the elite of the top deep threats in the league. That was really only his second year as a starter.

[Jason Moore]

Does that mean you believe in Sam Darnold as a breakout candidate?

[Mike Wright]

No. Just because you have one great fantasy option doesn't mean you break out.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, I'm just curious.

[Mike Wright]

And then my unscientific personal anecdote. I happened to meet Robbie Anderson.

[Andy Holloway]

Look. That should get a horn.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This man's aura. Oh, is.

[Andy Holloway]

This.

[Mike Wright]

This man's? You remove your finger from the board.

[Andy Holloway]

You find it in there?

[Jason Moore]

It is.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what you.

[Jason Moore]

Did you just say this man's aura is Sammy Watkins in the house?

[Andy Holloway]

Where's the lizard man?

[Mike Wright]

Look, we all live, we die, we're reborn.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you.

[Mike Wright]

But look, if you would have met him, you would say, this is an unshakably intense man. Art, my buddy in the backstage is nodding his head, saying that this was the most intense dude you've ever met in your life. Robbie Anderson is one of my guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's what I know.

[Jason Moore]

I was so with you for so long.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it was, it was a really compelling. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Mike Wright]

The man who said, I can see the future and the Eagles win the super bowl, that you have a problem with me meeting somebody?

[Andy Holloway]

That's. No, that's a, That's a really nice right cross. Look, I'm gonna come in and I'm just gonna land the plane square on the Runway here. And we all, we all know who I'm bringing up, because, look, this is a year and a half.

[Mike Wright]

Are you starting it?

[Andy Holloway]

This is a year and a half in the making. This is not just something I've been talking about for too long. I'm sick of talking about it. But it's been for this moment, at this show. It's my guy. Carry on.

[Mike Wright]

Did you hit the button? I couldn't even hear.

[Andy Holloway]

Hit it again.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, that was nice.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

They can sing.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, look, look, look. I, I, I think. I think some people, and by some people, I mean Andy, are annoyed by how much I've talked about Kerryon Johnson. However, a little insight. I am a little annoyed as well. I've talked about him a lot, and sometimes it gets tiring talking about the same great statistics. So I went elsewhere. I have a few new arguments that I want to make on Kerryon Johnson. It's not about his talent. It's not about how good he was from week three to 10. When he was the starter already.

[Mike Wright]

Not about any of that.

[Andy Holloway]

I've shared all of that. I went elsewhere. I was like, well, okay, look, I am biased because I'm, you know, that's what happens when you're in love. And so I wanted to say, okay, let's, let's, let's take the rose colored glasses off and, and see what I can find. Scott Barrett. A lot of people know him from. Great.

[Mike Wright]

Friend of the show.

[Andy Holloway]

Friend of the show. Follow him at. Scott Barrett, dfb. He has a proprietary metric called actual opportunity. He believes it's the most important met for a lot of players, especially running backs. And so what he's done is he's gone back into the history of every single offensive play caller in the NFL and he's taken a look at that metric of actual opportunity. Which play callers are the best for the running back? One on a team specifically. No, no, shocker. Andy Reid is number one. We've said for years you got to have his running back, whether it was shady or whoever. When Kareem Hunt got the starting job, we were like, you have to draft Kareem Hunt because of Andy Reid. There's a lot of great guys on this list for running back. Ones like Pat Schwarmer, number three for the Giants. Obviously, we saw that last year. Greg roman, Brian Schottenheimer, Mr. Run first. Those guys are all behind Darrell Bevel, the new offensive coordinator and play caller for the Detroit Lions, because he, unlike what Matt Patricia says they want and the GM says they want, does not usually use a running back by committee. Now, I have statted Kerryon Johnson out for a running back by committee. That's why he's my number 10 running back right now and not, you know.

[Mike Wright]

Higher than number one.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. He's currently being drafted as the number 15 running back. And look, you can't just spout that stat and not have context. We, we don't want to just make compelling arguments. We want you guys to be informed and know. So in reality, Darrell Bevel, he had Adrian Peterson for most of that. He had Marshawn lynch for the other half of that. Like, these are great number one bell cow running backs. But when I was talking to you guys last year about North Turner, the argument could have been made there. It's like, well, North Turner had Adrian Peterson and Emmett Smith and Ladanian Tomlinson. But that was what he was used to. And it turned out that Christian McCaffrey was a guy that was great. Kerryon Johnson is great. There's a reason that Kerryon Johnson was traded up for in the second round. There's a reason that he won the 2017 Offensive SEC Player of the Year. There's a reason he had 1400 yards and 18 rushing touchdowns in the SEC. There's a reason why he looked great on the field. It's because Kerryon Johnson is great. So here's another other person's opinion. And it's not even just opinion. It's a great metric.

[Mike Wright]

Joe Holka, great friend of the show.

[Andy Holloway]

Follow him. Oholka Chris, what is happening? I wish I had Asun Moore, but I don't. Follow me. Jasonffl look, he has this. He has this great metric called rushing expectation. He's done it for years. I saw the data behind it once and I was like, I can't even understand it. It's intense. But years ago he showed me empirical data that Todd Gurley was great even when he was with Jeff Fisher, but because of the offensive line and the usage, it was impeding him. But that the talent of Todd Gurley had not changed from the breakout rookie year. So what is, what does he see on Kerryon Johnson? And here's the thing. He reached out to me and he said, hey, Jay, my data on Kerryon Johnson is Great. He's the sixth.

[Jason Moore]

Follow me at Joe Hoka.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, he's the sixth highest percentile on the ground for running backs. 86th percentile through the air. Overall, he's a great receiving back and he's the 94th percentile in his metrics on second level yards. But it's the air yards that matter to me. It's the receiving game because we all know Theo Riddick has been cut. That is 74.

[Jason Moore]

Those are the Broncos fans. Like we got.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we got. Yeah, we did.

[Andy Holloway]

Congratulations, Broncos. Look, Theo Riddick had 74 targets last year, but in the last four seasons, Theo Riddick has had 311 targets and 247 receptions. Do you know how many running backs have more than 247 receptions?

[Mike Wright]

Please tell us. Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

Zero. He's literally the highest reception running back in the last four years. And now Kerryon Johnson inherits that role. While he's good at that role. So look, I've made all the arguments about. I just think he's a good back and even at the workload he had with Theo Riddick, he was a top 15 back. I believe that he is going to be in a committee. That's why I statted him in a committee. I do think his receiving yardage goes up. His receive, his receptions go Up. I think he's a top 10 back. I've got him right now at number 10. But should chips fall the right way, I think you have someone that can be excellent. If you look at the high stakes league right now, they're taking him about the running back. 10. I'm all in. Everybody knew it beforehand, but I had no idea. I've got to play my flag.

[Jason Moore]

I am learning so much right now.

[Andy Holloway]

He's my guy.

[Jason Moore]

He is your guy.

[Mike Wright]

Once again, very nice.

[Andy Holloway]

Did I sway you at all, Andy?

[Jason Moore]

It was compelling. And long. And long.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, Fair. Both true.

[Jason Moore]

It's interesting. We'll find out. I still think it's a bad offense. I still think he's got a score. Touchdowns. Christian McCaffrey could do it last year. We'll see what happens.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I would love nothing more for you to be.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you. Happy. If Kerryon Johnson gets injured, I will die. Like, I will be off the show.

[Jason Moore]

You hear that?

[Mike Wright]

Carry on.

[Andy Holloway]

You're playing for my life.

[Jason Moore]

Careful. All right. My guy, number two, Chris Carson. Chris Carson. And I'll be brief. More. More brief. And he's the RB24 right now. Somebody here really dislikes him. I don't know why, especially after I talk for a minute, but he is basically. He's basically the meme that you see where the guy's walking down the street with his girlfriend. He turns around at the other girl.

[Mike Wright]

And goes to Rashad Penny.

[Jason Moore]

And it's like, that's Rashad Penny over there. And I. And what I want to say is please turn your eyes back around to your girlfriend because she had the second most rushing yards over the last four weeks. Was the number seven running back over the second half of the entire season, had nine touchdowns on the best rushing offense in football. 1100 plus yards. Number four in yards per or yards after contact per carry.

[Mike Wright]

He's a tough dude.

[Jason Moore]

He's just a really, really good player. And I think he's super undervalued in this year's draft because everybody wants to find the slightly more dynamic guy. But the Seahawks just run the ball so much. We don't have to choose people. We can choose them both if you want. Well, don't do that. That would be bad for the meme. No, that would be bad for the meme.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, depart from the meme, but now it's a party. Whoa.

[Mike Wright]

Not safe for work, bro.

[Jason Moore]

We'll depart from the meme. But both can be great players this year. And Chris Carson, here's. Here's the truth. I don't think that he can be middle ground. I think you either have a guy that's going to be a top 10 running back or you have a guy that'll get hurt. I don't think where he's being drafted at RB24 makes any sense at all for the player that he is on the offense that he, that he's on and the coach loves him. The talent's good, the opportunities better than any backfield in football, pretty much. So we don't have a small sample size on him. He's just great. He's being undervalued.

[Andy Holloway]

And I don't know if people remember last season, but the first two weeks of the year he was, for some reason, he wasn't really the main guy yet. Seven attempts on the ground, six attempts on the ground, and then they're like, I love Chris Carson because he was on a 312 carry pace the rest of the way, which is basically leading the NFL in today's NFL. So I, I agree completely. I know I've been a big Rashad penny believer as far as talent, but Chris Carson is the guy and he's super undervalued.

[Jason Moore]

He also has the name Carson in his name, which has been important for my, my guy.

[Mike Wright]

I can't wait for Jimmy. Oh, now, Jim.

[Andy Holloway]

Took me way too long to get an old presidential dude.

[Jason Moore]

All right, like old president jokes.

[Mike Wright]

I'm gonna jump in. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Let's hear it. Mike.

[Mike Wright]

This is my running back. Much like. No, Mike. You mean my guy Marlon Mac. No, much like Jason's love for Kerryon Johnson, my love for this player has been on full display over the whole offseason. I want to talk about the running back for the Pittsburgh Steelers, James Conner. Here's the deal.

[Jason Moore]

This feels a whole lot like an intervention tonight.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's the thing. This, I love you picking this Mike because this is a your guy. Yes. Like Andy does not believe. But Mike has been telling the world. I love his draft price in, in, in Mike's takes, you know. Yeah, no, I, I, I'm so happy that you chose him.

[Mike Wright]

So here's the deal. Mike Tomlinson still there. That means Mike Tomlin loves using one running back. Last year, Connor saw 20.8 touches per game. That's the fourth highest at the running back position. He is a dual threat back. He averaged 113 yards per game, fifth most at the position. Now let's run through some, some things that make up a great running back. Big plays, 20 plus yards. He did it nine times. That's just behind Zeke Mixon and Gurley, is he elusive? Well, he broke 24 tackles. That's just behind Alvin Kamara. His work in the passing game, 9.9 yards after the catch, that's third. That's more than Melvin Gordon. That's more than Kareem Hunt. That's more than your boy Tariq Cohen, the passing game specialist, is he trusted around the goal line. Fifteen carries inside the five, only fewer than Todd Gurley and Saquon Barkley. He averaged over 19 points a game, only. Only one and a half points fewer per game than Alvin Camara, who is considered one of the top four. Like people will take Alvin Camara as the first pick and James Conner was one and a half points fewer per game behind him. The thing you can say, the only argument to me is Pittsburgh offense without Antonio Brown. That's a. That's a completely fair concern. But we have seen. We have seen Big Ben succeed without Antonio Brown. He had a year with over 4,300 yards when that was Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes. And coming up behind Antonio Brown to fill that hole is Juju Smith Schuster, who I believe is a true number one. Juju is number 10 in receiving yards of all time across his first two years to start his NFL career. So I believe that Juju can fill Antonio Brown's shoes. And that means that James Conner will be a stud and is. He is an incredible value at the back of the first round.

[Jason Moore]

Just so people understand, I have him at 10, Jason has him at 12, but you have him at 6. Because you're saying the gap between him and some of these other guys is not as big as people believe.

[Mike Wright]

That is. That is correct.

[Jason Moore]

Even with a believer.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, that is correct.

[Andy Holloway]

His own quotes from a day ago. Connor was talking about how he wants to keep pace with what Love Bell set specifically in the passing game. And while I've got him at 12, it's because of worry about passing game work. If he gets the passing game work that Lev Bell did, then he should be a top five back. I just love that you went with him because you're telling people out there have confidence to draft this player who's really dicey. Like, when I'm on the board, I'm not always confident taking James Connor, but you know who I am. Who?

[Mike Wright]

Are you confident?

[Jason Moore]

I'm gonna tell you this. If he takes care.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no, no. I love this. I am very happy.

[Jason Moore]

Darnell.

[Mike Wright]

Darnell Anderson. No. Respect the man.

[Andy Holloway]

Darnell Anderson is a legend.

[Mike Wright]

Him and Bill Brasky don't look up his stats.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, now my. The. The second my guy for me, I'm very, very happy to put him on my board. It is Robert woods, wide receiver. Wide receiver. One for the St. Louis Rams. Robert.

[Mike Wright]

Wait, the St. Louis Rams? Jason, we're in LA.

[Andy Holloway]

J.

[Mike Wright]

That makes.

[Andy Holloway]

That's really on brand. That is on brand. You're welcome.

[Mike Wright]

La.

[Andy Holloway]

I brought you something special.

[Mike Wright]

Put him in a body bag.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my God.

[Mike Wright]

That was ridiculous. All right.

[Andy Holloway]

You know what's funny? What's funny is when I picked Robert Woods, I did not even. That had nothing to do. Oh, yeah. Well, no, because this is. This has been on my board forever. I didn't realize we were gonna be in la. And then I come here and he doesn't even get Los Angeles. So look, Robert woods is extremely disrespectful. The great state of Missouri. He is. He's super disrespected. Yeah, by.

[Mike Wright]

You can't even get his team right.

[Andy Holloway]

That's not disrespecting the man. That's disrespecting the Rams. All right, so look, here's why he's been disrespected the last several years. It's because he's getting the old Doug Baldwin treatment. Right where we know what Robert woods is. He was in the league for four years. He never finished higher than wide receiver 42.

[Jason Moore]

It's the whiny voice of the public opinion.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, exactly. He. He drafted him. He must be a journeyman. I don't want him on my fantasy. He doesn't even matter.

[Jason Moore]

He plays up in St. Louis.

[Andy Holloway]

Except for. Here's the thing. Here's the thing with Robert Woods. Robert woods is very good. Years ago, when he was on the Bills catching passes from Tyrod Taylor and E.J. manuel. Yeah, he didn't have great fantasy seasons. But Andy and I, when we were watching games and analyzing, we would always say, would we not Years ago, when he was not a fantasy relevant player. He's just really good. He's a solid wide receiver. If you look in the ultimate draft kit, as you should, Matt Harmon's reception perception. He talks about how. How many routes that Robert woods is so above average. And here's the crazy great part about playing for Sean McVay. The routes that he's great at. Go figure. Are the exact routes that he runs more than average. Like his chart of routes run and his success route is identical if you put them over each other. Because Sean McVay goes, I'm going to use my players at what they're best.

[Jason Moore]

At I think the case has been made that he's really good by him.

[Andy Holloway]

Last year when he finished as the wide receiver 10. Yeah, so here's what happened. He was undrafted two years ago, goes to the Rams. People are like, oh, they overpaid. They clearly underpaid for Robert Woods. He finishes as the wider.

[Jason Moore]

They just gave him a raise, by the way.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, they did.

[Jason Moore]

For no reason. Which made Zeke really upset.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. Well, it's not for no reason. It's because they're just like, hey, they're like, you're really good, you deserve more money. Look, he went undrafted. He finishes as the wide receiver 32 in 2017, which is very respectable. He's on a great offenses, finishes well. So where does he get draft the next year? Last year, wide receiver 46th in the ninth round. Where does he finish? Wide receiver?

[Jason Moore]

You seem personally hurt by that.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, look, I love like year after year after year with Frank Gore when he hit 30 years old, every year people didn't want him. Every year he's like the unsexy pick.

[Jason Moore]

And every year you're getting up there. So it's probably very emotional.

[Andy Holloway]

It's super personal. Oh yeah, they did not like that.

[Jason Moore]

Uncalled for.

[Andy Holloway]

But he. Don't make jokes. He finished as the wide receiver 10 last year for one of the best offenses in the league. So where is he going drafted this year? Back of the fourth near wide receiver 20. What are you doing? America in the world and Canada.

[Mike Wright]

St. Louis.

[Andy Holloway]

And St. Louis. Oh no, St. Louis has drafted him one overall. Look, he's the number one target for Sean McVay's Rams. And if you say, well, no, I think it's Cooper Kopp or I think it's Brandon Cooks, I think, well, you're wrong because he's the number one target in 2017. Let's rewind when he was the wide receiver 32 and it was really good and you're like, oh, he's great. Well, he was the number one target. Now if you, if you don't remember that he was the number one target, if you look it up, it'll appear that he wasn't at first glance, since he had nine fewer targets than Cooper Cup. Except you probably forget that he only played 12 games that year. He, he was the wide receiver 32 in 12 games. He was on pace for 130 targets, clearly leading Cooper cup by almost a full target a game. And then in 2018, he was the clear number one target where he had 130 targets.

[Mike Wright]

But, but, but are you Talking to yourself.

[Andy Holloway]

Cooper cup was gone.

[Mike Wright]

He was gone.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, here's the cool thing. In eight games, he had. He had eight games.

[Jason Moore]

Do we need to leave, Mike?

[Mike Wright]

It's the one man show.

[Andy Holloway]

She let us. Welcome to the fantasy Jason Bars. Look, he had eight games with Cooper Cup. He was on pace for 130 targets. He had eight games without Cooper Cup. He was on pace For 130 targets. And that's what I love about him, is he's consistent. Not only did he finish as the wide receiver 10, but he has such a high rate of finishing as a wide receiver two or better every single week. The only people over the last two years that's finished higher than him are superstars. Here's the list of people. Hopkins, Devonte Adams, Antonio Brown, Odell Beckham, Michael Thomas, juju AJ Green, Mike Evans, Tyreek Hill and Edelman. That's it. And then. And then.

[Jason Moore]

You want him to get some respect.

[Andy Holloway]

I do. So I am totally fine drafting him as a wide receiver one. But here's the best part and why he's a my guy. This year. You don't have to go ahead and draft your wide receiver 1. Who finishes there as your wide receiver 2 or 3 or 4. If you start four wide receivers because you're going in the back of the fourth round, what are you doing? So, yes. Robert Woods. That's a my guy.

[Jason Moore]

So passionate. People have a hard time. They love you, old man.

[Andy Holloway]

I love you.

[Jason Moore]

People have a hard time when there's talented receivers around them. You'd admit Cooper cup is amazing.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, absolutely. Really good player.

[Jason Moore]

Brandon Cook can make a big, big play.

[Andy Holloway]

I said I was.

[Jason Moore]

It makes it hard for people to go, like, all in on one guy. And so they all slip in the draft.

[Andy Holloway]

And that's what's great. I would draft any one of those. And in fact, in recent drafts, real drafts and mock drafts, I have constantly been taking two of them.

[Jason Moore]

I was gonna say, would you take both?

[Andy Holloway]

I would take any two of the three in any one of my drafts if they're at value.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

One my guy left for each of us. And then our live mailbag. Warm up. Warm up just a little bit.

[Andy Holloway]

Bumblebee.

[Mike Wright]

Bumblebee. Sorry.

[Jason Moore]

No. You don't even have to do it. That's true.

[Mike Wright]

I get the night off.

[Jason Moore]

Is it back to me?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, sir.

[Jason Moore]

Dante Pettis.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

And this look, he's being drafted at wide receiver 30. I have him at 24 with a lot of upside. And really, when it comes down to it, this is. This Is the pure talent based my guy selection. And the question from the audience, which I shouldn't entertain, but it's an important one, is how is his aura? And it's very, very positive.

[Mike Wright]

It's green.

[Jason Moore]

It's green.

[Mike Wright]

I've looked into it and I look.

[Jason Moore]

You can kind of spin his numbers to make the more like number based case. 17.3 per catch. He had a four week stretch while he was actually healthy, where he was in the top 24 every single week, weeks 12 through 15 last year. But the truth is he has 27 career receptions. So you have to. You can't hang a lot on 27 receptions. But we'll go narrative street a little bit and more. So we'll go with my eyeballs, which I trust a little bit. Watch him play football. He is really, really good. And look at what the team did. Did they go out and get Antonio Brown? They could have. Did they go out and trade for Odell? They were rumored to be considering it. Did they go out? Look, they believe they have something very, very good in Dante Pettis. And when you watch him on film, I love everything that I see from him. He's an elite athlete. He's very quirky with his route running. He's got Jimmy Garoppolo coming back. He's got elite playmaking ability. He's got big playability. And he has the chance to be the number one in what I think will be a very good offense in San Francisco. When Odell showed up in the NFL, you knew something was different with that player from day one. And it's not to say that his career is going to mirror Odell's to a tee, but I think he's one of the few players you have to identify these guys that can make a jump.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So that you can take somebody at 6:11 and end up with a wide receiver two or a wide receiver one. And he at least flashed last year enough to give you those kind of weeks in a four week stretch. Has to stay healthy. But he added 10 pounds of weight this year. He was kind of a svelte guy.

[Andy Holloway]

He's got take a few hits. Jimmy Garoppolo all hot and bothered.

[Jason Moore]

He really, really does. I don't want to get into his maturing body like we did on previous live shows. Thank you.

[Mike Wright]

There are our children.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, but I'm all in on Dante Pettis.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, I mean we, you know, peel back that silk curtain. Well, actually I, I wanted Dante Pettis as my, my guy, but I couldn't have because you have.

[Jason Moore]

It's funny. Brooks was looking up some stuff because I wanted him to check for me. Because you were a little bit out on Pettis for a brief little moment and actually found a quote. Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Dante Pettis stinks. I said this weeks ago. He still stinks. And he's going to continue to stink.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think that was doctored in any way.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that's good. I mean, Dante Pettis stinks.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, it sounds so natural. You're clearly out on him. But I stinks. Come on, Beth.

[Andy Holloway]

Dante Pettis stinks. He is bad at football. Yes. I have always hated Dante Pettis. I'm glad you found that. That clip. Well done, Brooks.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yes.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you, Brooks.

[Mike Wright]

All right, I'm gonna drop in here. Drump.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, whatever.

[Mike Wright]

I'm gonna jump in here with my third. My guy.

[Andy Holloway]

That's where you jump in with the drums.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. If only. If only I could. I'm glad you like Robert woods, because I like the guy who's throwing him the ball.

[Andy Holloway]

Announcing Jared Garfield. Jared Garf.

[Mike Wright]

That's Mr. Garf to you. Look, Jared Goff, he is. He is being drafted.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Very nice.

[Mike Wright]

Look, I didn't.

[Jason Moore]

One from Los angeles, one from St. Louis. Very special.

[Mike Wright]

Look, I'm not the one who's controlling that. He's being drafted as the 12th quarterback off the board. Last year he. Oh yeah, he sucks. He was a top six QB over 31% of his games. That's the same as Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson. Yeah, he really, really sucks. He was second in completions of over 20 plus yards behind only the great Patrick Mahomes. Last year the Rams were second in total offensive yards, fifth in passing, second in scoring, fourth in yards or in yards from scrimmage. Like they are Robert Woods. Plus Robert woods is there. They are a great offense. And here's the thing about Jared Goff. He's actually getting better. And Sean McVay trusts him to do more. He went from 3,800 yards and 28 touchdowns on 477 attempts all the way to 4,600 yards and 32 touchdowns in 561 attempts. And that's while losing his best red zone option for half the season in Cooper Cup. And you know, I like talking about regression and positive regression. Here's an interesting nugget. Last year there was three quarterbacks with 100 or more targets inside the red zone. And here's what happened. Patrick Mahomes, 103 targets turned into 35 touchdowns. Andrew Luck 100 targets turned into 33 touchdowns. Jared Goff, 101 attempts only turned into 23 touchdowns. There is room for growth for Jared Goff inside the red zone. The Rams have three wide receivers being drafted inside the top 50 and people don't want the guy throwing the ball. It's absolutely ridiculous. And I sort of understand. The super bowl felt like Uncle Bill was at the end of the wizard of Oz and he, he pulled that curtain and realized, oh, it's only a man. But that guy was pretty awesome at his job of fooling people. Look, Jared Goff is a good quarterback who is getting better and playing for one of the best offensive coaches the NFL has ever seen. Sean McVay's like 23 years old. Not really. I'm being hyperbolic, but he's young. Jared Goff is young. He's strong.

[Jason Moore]

Younger than Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

What is this?

[Mike Wright]

What is this attack on Jason's age? I love it.

[Andy Holloway]

I love it. This is great. It's not about my weight.

[Mike Wright]

Don't worry. That's coming.

[Jason Moore]

I don't touch it.

[Mike Wright]

The 12th quarterback off the board according to fantasy football calculator. Meaning he could be literally the last quarterback taken in a draft. A guy who finished as the QB7 last year with room to grow. I just don't understand.

[Jason Moore]

All hail.

[Mike Wright]

What?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

The King. The King Godfrey himself. So he's a my guy. I'm targeting him late in every draft.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, all right, I love it. We, we talk every year about late round drafting. The fact that taking as great as Pat Mahomes was last year, he was a late round draft pick. Drafting early quarterbacks is going to hurt your overall roster if you're in a single quarterback league. And all three of us have a late round great option at quarterback. And I love all three. Pretty much every draft I'm wanting to get one of our three my guys at quarterback. So my last. My guy. I'm going to ask a couple questions first. Do you like Christian McCaffrey? Yeah. Is he, is he, is he a pretty good pass catcher?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know. I don't know. So I'm just asking the people.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, he is. He's great.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason, Mike and Andy.

[Jason Moore]

I feel like a bit of a pawn.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike, Andy, do you like Curtis Samuel this year?

[Jason Moore]

I'm a big fan.

[Andy Holloway]

Breakout chance.

[Jason Moore]

I like him a lot.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike, even with your love for Curtis Samuel?

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Who do you expect to have more fantasy points on the season? Curtis Samuel or DJ Moore?

[Mike Wright]

Currently DJ Moore.

[Andy Holloway]

That's another great Kool Aid.

[Mike Wright]

Man Approved.

[Andy Holloway]

Andy, I have, I've heard tale that you are a B league championship winning quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

Is this true in the Peoria Flag.

[Andy Holloway]

Football League in Arizona?

[Jason Moore]

True. We're a world champion in that city.

[Andy Holloway]

So with great insight to the quarterback position, would you like to have hall of Famer Greg Olson as your fourth option on the field?

[Jason Moore]

It would be helpful. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you like quarterbacks who finish in the top three on the season?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I have a big fan.

[Mike Wright]

Do you like questions?

[Andy Holloway]

Do you like quarterbacks late in drafts, like ninth round? But here's the most important question, and that's really the only question that matters. Do you like to scoot, scoot, scoot your booty. Oh, look.

[Jason Moore]

Who is it though?

[Andy Holloway]

It's Cam Newton. It's booty scooting Cam Newton. Here's the deal in and I'll just give a couple little factoids here. You can decide if you want them or not.

[Mike Wright]

Do you like factoids?

[Andy Holloway]

In five seasons that he's had with 16 games played, he averages the quarterback 2.5. Like he's better than the quarterback 3. On average every single year that he plays a season in its entirety. He is one of the best three quarterbacks every single time in 2018. Last year he hurt his shoulder. Okay. He had a rookie, DJ Moore, essentially a rookie Curtis Samuel, everyone's favorite butt of the joke, Devin Funches. Was there an injured Greg Olson. And Cam Newton through the first 12 weeks was the quarterback four. He was the fourth best quarterback in fantasy at week 12. Hurt his shoulder, had to go. And I know a lot of people this year because he's the ninth drafted quarterback. They're like, they're, they're worried about the surgery, they're worried about the shoulder.

[Jason Moore]

They just want somebody new and they want someone new.

[Andy Holloway]

They're like too good all the time. I'm not going to get any glory if I draft Cam Newton. You know what? You're going to get a championship. Yeah. He had surgery this offseason. He had the exact same surgery cleanup procedure in March of 2017. You know the year where he finished the quarterback two. I'm not worried. Cam Newton, he's my third quarterback. Late round, my guy. Grab Jared Goff, Cam Newton or Carson Wentz as your quarterback and bypass the early round guys. Stack your running backs. Stack your wide receivers. Get flip clan titles.

[Jason Moore]

So. So Carson Wentz, Chris Carson, Dante Pettis, Mike your three.

[Mike Wright]

My guys, Jared Goff, James Connor and Robbie Anderson.

[Andy Holloway]

Robert Woods, Cam Newton and carry on.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, yes, yes. We're gonna get Primed up. You guys ready for a mailbag? A live mailbag.

[Mike Wright]

And those of you who are already selected for the mailbag, I assume you're all getting ready to ask those questions.

[Jason Moore]

Get ready. Warm up your voice. We're ready to answer.

[Mike Wright]

Los Angeles, are you ready for the mailbag drop?

[Jason Moore]

Kool Aid, man.

[Mike Wright]

Are you ready for the mailbag drop?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Are we ready, people over here ready for a mailbag.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's get house lights. Let's get house lights.

[Mike Wright]

Can we get the help?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Whoa.

[Andy Holloway]

There's people here.

[Jason Moore]

I. They came out, man. They came out.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, you guys ready?

[Mike Wright]

All right, we're good. Here we go.

[Andy Holloway]

Mailbag.

[Mike Wright]

Not bad.

[Jason Moore]

St. Louis, you showed up.

[Andy Holloway]

First question.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's hear it. Speak loud into the mic.

[Mike Wright]

What's your name, sir?

[Andy Holloway]

Logan.

[Mike Wright]

What up, Logan?

[Jason Moore]

How you doing, buddy?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, is that a Spitballer shirt?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, my man.

[Andy Holloway]

The spit wads out force.

[Mike Wright]

What's up, Logan?

[Andy Holloway]

What's up?

[Mike Wright]

What's your question, buddy?

[Andy Holloway]

Since I am 9 years old, what video game should I try out that came before my time and why? Oh, great question.

[Jason Moore]

Look, first of all, that's a great question.

[Mike Wright]

He's nine. He wants to be. He wants to be a man of art, a philosopher, and dive into video games that he should play that were before his time, my friend. Pick up a Super Nintendo classic and play the Legend of Zelda, a link to the past, the greatest video game that has ever been created. It's a. It's a world. Hyrule is a world of mystery and wonder. And I wish I was there right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, it's a. This is a great question. It's a great Spitballers question as well. So if y'all ain't listening to the Spitballers podcast, listen up. It's us talking just about nonsense.

[Jason Moore]

It's just like this.

[Andy Holloway]

Just like this. I'm going to recommend. Look, I realize everyone's on Twitter getting their Madden codes or whatever, but if you want to go back and play where football really began. Tecmo Super Bowl. That's where it's at. You're going to enjoy it.

[Mike Wright]

Where men become men.

[Jason Moore]

I'll throw Super Mario World out there.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah, that's. Of course.

[Jason Moore]

That was my game.

[Mike Wright]

Of course. Thank you for your question. Thank you so much. Appreciate your support, buddy.

[Jason Moore]

Awesome job.

[Andy Holloway]

Next question. Oh, my goodness. It's Butter Face. It is the one and only Butter Face.

[Mike Wright]

What we can't show you is a man in a hoodie who's wearing a mask. That is a waffle. A waffle for a face. Sir, what's your name?

[Jason Moore]

My name is Mustard. Mr. Butterfly.

[Andy Holloway]

Mr. Butterfly.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Mr. Butterfly.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't like mustard on my wall.

[Mike Wright]

What's your question, sir?

[Jason Moore]

I live in my mom's basement, but my question was who's gonna have the most top 12 weeks at their position, but not in the season as an RB1 or a wide receiver one.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, interesting.

[Mike Wright]

It's like the reverse Amari Cooper.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah. Most top, so the most consistent, but ends up outside that range. So the Frank Gore esque type of player.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

The Jason Whitten at tight end type of player who at the end of the season always ends up there.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think you're right.

[Jason Moore]

Lamar Miller.

[Mike Wright]

You couldn't even get it out.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I tried.

[Mike Wright]

And you know, look, our guy, I like him and I do believe that if things go the right way for him, he could easily be in the top 12. But I think he will have spike weeks. He'll juice you up for a couple weeks and then be a little, eh, sometimes because he's a rookie. I'm gonna go with David Montgomery from the Chicago Bears.

[Jason Moore]

Huh?

[Mike Wright]

David?

[Andy Holloway]

Opportunity. I love Michael Keaton.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. All right. Well, thanks. You got one?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, I think of Derek Henry. I feel like he's going to be one of those guys that he. He has his games, he finishes an RB one, but it's more about which games does he get game scripted out of and fall, you know, so irrelevant on the week that he might not land in the top 12.

[Jason Moore]

What about Keenan? What about Keenan Allen?

[Mike Wright]

He could possibly depends on Melvin Gordon if he's there or not.

[Andy Holloway]

And on Keenan Allen's current health.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, next question.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you, Mr. Butterface. Don't melt.

[Jason Moore]

How's it going, ballers?

[Andy Holloway]

What's up, man?

[Mike Wright]

What's your name? Thank you for coming to Los Angeles. Oh, thank you. I wanted to ask which guy are you happy to draft on your team.

[Jason Moore]

Yet further down the road, you're looking.

[Mike Wright]

To trade that player for a different asset. Okay, Chubb.

[Jason Moore]

Obviously for a lot of people it's gonna be Nick Chubb.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, I've got Chubb ranked in my 20s because of his season long statistics. I think that when Kareem Hunt comes back, he's gonna. He's not gonna completely change Chubb and make him irrelevant, but he's going to take a couple carries away. I'm fine drafting Chubb well ahead of where I've got him ranked on a season value because to start the year, he should be great. I'm not too worried about Duke Johnson, they should be in scoring opportunities. But that, you know, that's low hanging fruit where in all honesty, once you get six weeks in, it's not like other people don't know Kareem Hunt's coming back. And so I think it's going to be difficult to trade him. I think if you draft Chubb and can trade him do. But more than likely if you're drafting Chubb, you have to realize you're going to be on the hook.

[Jason Moore]

Do you, do you look at players that are injury prone and let's say you get lucky enough to have them perform well at the top half of the year, do you think about trading like you're like just getting away with.

[Andy Holloway]

Like if four neck the first four weeks. He's just a dominant beast.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, but that's hard to do and when a guy comes out, you always want that one more week and one more week of. I mean why trade a dominant player?

[Andy Holloway]

Actually there is, there is one guy that came to mind earlier when I was like man, would I trade if four weeks in and he is the number one running back because it looks like they're using Todd Gurley the same. Would I be willing to trade him out of fear that one of these weeks his knee swells and you go I'm on the hook. And I think at that point when he shows out, if he has a first couple of weeks where he is the workhorse, you're going to be trading him for top notch value, unlike Chubb and I would do it.

[Jason Moore]

I've got one more too and I love, I love him. But Tariq Cohen would be somebody to look at. Anybody that's in a position where they did have a very successful year and a rookie is acclimating and maybe Cohen comes out and has more of those third down snaps. And we think if you believe in David Moppertunity that he's going to take over, then move Cohen while the value is as high as it's going to get and you're not going to regret it.

[Mike Wright]

And I'm going to bring up Tevin Coleman because right now he projects to be the lead running back for the 49ers and we know the lead back for that team will have fantasy value and based off of last year's fantasy numbers given up to the running back position. San Francisco has the third easiest schedules schedule in the first four weeks. So Tevin Coleman could get off to a hot start. But even Though I like to rib Andy for his passionate burrito, his love for Matt Burrita, I don't think Matt burrito is actually going to go away. And so Tevin Coleman could be a guy who gets off to a hot start. Looks like you struck gold with the 30th running back off the board. So I would. He's a guy I would be looking to draft and then move if he has two huge weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, thank you, sir. Next question.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, what's up, ballers?

[Mike Wright]

I'm Ryan.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, Ryan, nice to meet you. Ryan.

[Jason Moore]

Nice to meet you guys.

[Andy Holloway]

This is a dynasty Startup this or that question. All right.

[Jason Moore]

A lot's been said about both these guys.

[Andy Holloway]

One not so good. One a lot of good stuff this off season. So if you're at startup Dynasty, who would you prefer on your team? Todd Gurley or Jason's guy, Kerryon Johnson?

[Jason Moore]

Why? I know his answer.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man. I don't think.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think you know my answer.

[Jason Moore]

Really?

[Andy Holloway]

Because I don't know my answer. I have Todd Gurley in our main.

[Mike Wright]

You would not one for one.

[Andy Holloway]

I have Todd Gurley in my main dynasty league. And I sat. This is like 4 days ago real life. And I sat with the clicking like I clicked Carry on Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, to offer it.

[Andy Holloway]

To offer it.

[Jason Moore]

I'm like, I think you would. I would take Carry on.

[Mike Wright]

Really?

[Andy Holloway]

Should I make the offer? I couldn't get myself to do it. I could not.

[Jason Moore]

There are windows for running backs. We know it changes quickly. The risk at the knee. You could be in a really rough situation with Gurley and there's a three year age gap.

[Andy Holloway]

He's only.

[Jason Moore]

So it's 22 to 25 years old. Like, I think I would go that direct. Everybody I've got, I would say here's the caveat. You're making the trade off.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it will be right back.

[Jason Moore]

The one caveat would be, and this is one of the things, like people want prescriptions to do something in every situation. And we try to have this show be more about your league and your team construction. We try to help inform your decision.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, so hypothetical, if you've got Todd Gurley and Leonard Fournette and those are your only two running backs.

[Jason Moore]

Excellent.

[Mike Wright]

That's a very specific use case. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Just if you want risk aversion, you know, if you have a team that you. You have risk elsewhere, you probably don't want to stack it with Gurley and put yourself in a rough position. If your team is pretty stable, then maybe you take the shot. That girly's the same guy. But a great girly year could be similar to a Carry on year. And you buy three years. I mean, I feel like I'm talking you into Carry on.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, la. I'm making the trade offer right now. I just hope it happens before this show goes live Monday because otherwise I'll be like, well, then I'm not doing it.

[Jason Moore]

Does that help?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

Right on.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you, sir.

[Andy Holloway]

Next. Oh, final question, final question.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, what's up, ballers? Tim tapping here.

[Mike Wright]

What's up, Tim Tapping? Tim tapping.

[Jason Moore]

So obviously you guys are high on Goff and the Rams and their wide receivers. So which one of the three wide receivers out of anyone has the highest bunch bust potential?

[Andy Holloway]

Cooper Cup.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's Cooper acl.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Because it's very hard to recover as quickly as he has.

[Jason Moore]

I will say he's also kind of more touchdown dependent than the other guys, being the guy that's supposed to be the goal line target. The bigger player, the small player.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he still gets tons of yards and targets but like he, I mean, he had an inter, Inter team scrimmage. And Stefania Bell, who is an injury expert, she talked about how great Cooper cup is looking. So it's.

[Jason Moore]

Brandon Cooks is banged up right now.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. So I, I would say it's still Cooper cup because it's the low injury hanging fruit.

[Jason Moore]

All right, one more thing, by the way, this live tour also brought to you by Pristine Auction, you see a Jared Girth, Jared helmet crowd and Tim Tappan, who's wearing full San Francisco gear, is the winner of the Jared Garf helmet. So give him a round of applause.

[Mike Wright]

But what we should, we should also include. He's wearing a San Francisco jersey, but that's a Nick Mullins jersey.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a quarterback streamer right there.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's got good taste.

[Jason Moore]

That is Nick Mullen's brother in the house. That's going to wrap it up for us. We want to say thank you again to St. Jude for to Pristine Auction and most of all to the Foot clan who came out and supported the show. We're going to hang out as long as we can with you and thank you so much for coming out and supporting the footballers. This season is going to be amazing. Get some titles, people.

[Mike Wright]

And if you're listening to the podcast at home, we'll see you tomorrow on Tuesday. Ladies and gentlemen, in this crowd, you are beautiful. Thank you so much. Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you for listening to another edition of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Don't forget to visit us on the web at www.thefantasyfootballers.com and follow us on Twitter Heffballers.

[Mike Wright]

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