The TRUTH: RBs Part 2 + Playoff Reactions, Tough Guys - Fantasy Football Podcast for 1/27

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast - Episode Summary

Episode: The TRUTH: RBs Part 2 + Playoff Reactions, Tough Guys
Date: January 27, 2026
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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Episode Theme

A deep-dive into the truth behind the 2025 running back landscape in fantasy football, reactions to the NFL playoffs and Super Bowl matchups, and breaking NFL coaching news. The Fantasy Footballers blend robust analytics and candid banter to help listeners understand running back trends, performance context, and future outlooks, with plenty of playoff storylines and signature wit.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Super Bowl Reactions and Playoff Storylines (02:22 – 13:02)

• New England Patriots vs. Seattle Seahawks Super Bowl:
  • Surprising Super Bowl matchup: Patriots (Drake May) vs. Seahawks (Sam Darnold).
  • Notable meme: Drake May and Sam Darnold were pictured closest to the Super Bowl trophy before the season—a twist in hindsight! (03:00)
  • Sam Darnold “earned everybody’s respect” after last year’s playoff flop and performs heroically through injury. (04:13)
  • Discussion of various pivotal plays in the conference championships:
    • Denver’s fast start, then collapse against New England, highlighted by questionable Jarrett Stidham decisions. (08:21 – 09:39)
    • The snow-impacted AFC title, with May passing for just 86 yards but “winning them dirty.” (10:54)
  • Seahawks’ complete performance versus LA Rams, stout defense, and Pete Carroll’s team-building mastery. (12:40)

"This is the third time that when there’s a new Pope, the Seahawks go to the Super Bowl."
— Andy Holloway (03:49)

2. NFL Coaching Carousel & Pro Bowl Commentary (13:02 – 20:16)

• Coaching Moves:

  • Jesse Minter to Ravens as HC, Mike McCarthy to Steelers, Mike McDaniels as OC for Chargers, Jonathan Gannon to Packers as DC.
  • Hosts debate the reputations and realities surrounding coaches, especially Mike McCarthy (“universally laughed at” versus comparable resumes to Tomlin/Harbaugh).
  • Cleveland’s franchise dysfunction discussed (“Nobody wants to interview there. Even Stefanski would pass.”).

• Pro Bowl Devaluation:

  • The panel jokes about Shador Sanders being a Pro Bowler (“It means nothing. It means nothing.”).
  • Larger commentary on the Pro Bowl’s irrelevance and the disconnect between statistical output and all-star honors.

"The Pro Bowl is E.D.I. I mean, this is flag football now, right?...What is dead is, other than contractually—it means nothing."
— Mike Wright (16:00)

3. Running Backs: “The Truth” Deep-Dive (22:08 – 61:34)

Macro Trends

• RB Health & Production:
  • 17 RBs topped 1,000 yards – most since 2006.
  • Many late-round RB2s from draft season (ETN, Warren, Swift, Gainwell) proved highly valuable.

Player-Specific Reviews

• Javonte Williams (Broncos/Cowboys) (26:11–28:47)
  • Recovered from massive injury adversity, finished RB10 with 1,200 yards.
  • Extremely productive first half (RB5 pace); touchdowns dropped in second half.
  • Receiving numbers flagged as extremely poor (51 targets, 137 yards).

“51 targets turning into 137 receiving yards is not good. That’s impressive.”
— Mike Wright (29:14)

• Josh Jacobs (Raiders/Packers) – The Tough Guy Dilemma (30:17–33:40)

  • #12 overall, but significant injury drag in 2nd half (“He tried to play through it and probably to his and his team’s detriment.” – Jason Moore 32:58).
  • Superb first half, core piece when healthy; hosts expect a rebound if healthy in 2026.

• Ashton Gentry (Raiders) (33:48–36:50)

  • Managed an RB13 finish despite “actively detrimental quarterback play” and the league’s worst OL.
  • Outlet: Big-play capability salvaged value, but highly volatile—many single-digit games.
  • Dynasty & redraft outlook: Will be mid- to late-2nd round, contingent on OL improvement.

• Saquon Barkley (Eagles) (37:19–41:06)

  • RB14 finish, huge tumble from 2024’s top prospects.
  • Plagued by a near-absence of long runs (4 of 20+ yards compared to 17 last season) and red zone futility (just 1 TD inside the 5).
  • Was a “stabilizer, not a breaker” all year.

“He had 13 carries inside the five. He had one touchdown inside the five. That’s a really bad success rate.”
— Jason Moore (41:06)

• DeAndre Swift (Bears) (41:20–43:36)

  • RB15, quietly reliable. “He’s just a running back two. It’s just what he is.” – Jason Moore (41:49)
  • Not explosive, but consistent for where he was drafted.

• Steelers Backfield: Jaylen Warren, Kenneth Gainwell (46:39–50:33)

  • Warren the first half value; Gainwell surged as checkdown king (leading team in catches).
  • Gainwell described as “old school Theo Riddick,” racking up 73 receptions out of nowhere.
  • Both likely usable in 2026; major coaching and QB questions loom.

“Kenneth Gainwell was playing outstanding football and he became maybe their best offensive weapon down the stretch.”
— Jason Moore (48:28)

• Other Notables (from 52:44–61:34):
  • Rico Dowdle (Panthers): Top 17, but unreliable and wants out if not the main back.
  • Travion Henderson & Rhamondre Stevenson (Patriots): Centerpiece duo, especially as the Pats head to the Super Bowl. Playoff usage tips toward Stevenson (“It’s been a lot of Rhamondre—playoff trust.”).
  • Breece Hall (Jets): RB19; change of scenery looming.
  • Broncos: RJ Harvey & J.K. Dobbins: Harvey seen as future RB2-level, with Dobbins back, “one-two punch” expected.
  • Seahawks Backfield (Walker/Charbonnet): Virtually even in scoring pre-Charbonnet ACL injury; Walker likely the lead for 2026.

4. Notable Quotes

• "It seems like anybody that is a fan of any team that wins doesn't want to be criticized in any way." — Andy Holloway (11:15)
• "Either Parsons is healthy or he’s not. And if he’s healthy, you’re a great defensive coordinator.”
  — Mike Wright on Cowboys’ D, (18:25)
• “It does make it a little bit more tricky. This was very injury related. We all knew it. We saw it on the field ... these also hurt you in fantasy, I played him for some of these games ...”
  — Jason Moore on Josh Jacobs (31:28)
• “Ashton Genty finished at 13 … for the team that had no quarterback play. Worse than no quarterback. Actively detrimental quarterback play.”
  — Andy Holloway (33:48)
• “This is just DeAndre Swift being DeAndre Swift … it's what he has done every year of his career.”
  — Jason Moore (41:49)
• “He was voted the Steelers most valuable player by the teammates. Do you realize that it's been T.J. watt five of the last six years?”
  — Andy Holloway on Jaylen Warren (49:57)

5. Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Topic/Segment | | ---------- | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | 02:22 | Super Bowl matchup & meme (Drake May/Sam Darnold) discussion | | 08:21 | AFC/NFC Championship breakdowns | | 13:02 | NFL coaching hires and franchise analysis | | 16:00 | The Pro Bowl’s irrelevance, Shador Sanders jokes | | 22:08 | Start of “The Truth – RBs Part 2” | | 26:11 | Javonte Williams analysis | | 30:17 | Josh Jacobs’ injury-troubled season | | 33:48 | Ashton Genty’s resilience and fantasy framing | | 37:19 | Saquon Barkley’s regression and detailed stat breakdown | | 41:20 | DeAndre Swift’s archetype and value | | 46:39 | Steelers RB tandem: Warren & Gainwell, future outlook | | 52:44 | Rico Dowdle, Travion Henderson, Rhamondre Stevenson, backfield platooning | | 56:19 | Rhamondre Stevenson’s receiving stats, utilization | | 57:02 | Rapid fire on Breece Hall, RJ Harvey, other “tier 2” RBs | | 59:27 | Seahawks backfield—Walker/Charbonnet breakdown, Super Bowl aftermath projections | | 61:34 | Tease for next episode: Truth about the 2025 wide receivers |

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Tone & Language

• Lighthearted camaraderie: Jokes, recurring memes (“new Pope means Seahawks Super Bowl”), frequent digs at one another and themselves.
• Deep, actionable fantasy insights: In-depth stats, consistency rankings, forward-looking perspective on NFL and fantasy football implications.
• Candid, unfiltered opinions: Hosts are frank about player value, coaching efficacy, and the randomness of NFL/fantasy outcomes.

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Concluding Thoughts

This episode is must-listen (or read!) for anyone wanting a clear, honest look at the 2025 fantasy RB crop, with perspective on which performances were sustainable, fluky, or obscured by team chaos, injuries, or usage quirks. The Footballers’ relaxed, comedic tone is matched by their sharp analysis and willingness to debate the “tough guy” mythos and the future of now-contentious backfields.

Next up: "The Truth" about wide receivers, Thursday!

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, welcome in. The Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Back again Tuesday, January 27th. Welcome into the show. More truth to talk about, more snow to talk about.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And we have a pair of teams now destined for the super bowl in San Francisco. Drake May and the Patriots.

[Mike Wright]

Goodness.

[Andy Holloway]

Doesn't really feel like they were down long enough. And they're back on top. The Patriots headed to the super bowl and the Seattle Seahawks. Sam Darnold got it done just like.

[Jason Moore]

Everybody had at the beginning of the season.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know if you saw the. The thing circling this morning. There's a graphic from before the season where every quarterback from every team was walking towards the giant super bowl trophy. It was an artistic, you know, a rendition and the two quarterbacks closest to the super bowl at the very front of this graphic in September, Drake May and Sam Darnold standing next to each other.

[Jason Moore]

What's ironic about that is you see, you see that and you see it as like, oh, they were the closest, but really from the, from the photograph, they were the furthest from like Mahomes was in the foreground, he was in.

[Andy Holloway]

The fore, but the closest to the trophy.

[Jason Moore]

Sure, sure. But I'm just saying like when they made it, they're like, ah, just throw the. We should have you look at everyone else around them. It's like, oh, it's the Jets. It's like all the big. They were minimized, you know, it was Saquon Barkley, I think was the closest, you know, the super bowl champ.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

This year. And they're way over there, teensy tiny.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean they. We should have seen the whole Pope narrative coming.

[Mike Wright]

Right?

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, this is the third time that when there's a new Pope, the Seahawks go to the super bowl and.

[Mike Wright]

Minnesota officially made the wrong decision.

[Andy Holloway]

They officially, yeah, made the wrong decision. And everyone's, you know, the great meme, the great nine meme in the locker room, this is what you're stuck with now. And Sam Darnold, you know, earned everybody's respect.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Because when the pressure was on, I mean last, last year in the playoffs, he didn't produce. He had a terrible game. This year, the opposite.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he just had one of the highest pass ratings ever in a conference championship game. As played very well, looks the part. And he's doing this through an injury, so he's toughing it out as well. And now is the first quarterback to, to make a Super bowl from his draft class that included Josh Allen and Lamar and Baker and Josh Rosen.

[Andy Holloway]

Josh Rosen, yeah. No, it's an incredible accomplishment. We'll talk about those games momentarily. But first, we didn't actually have the chance to make this announcement on the show yet, but I promise this will be the only time we talk about it because they're almost gone already. We had talked to the Foot Clan. We had told them we were working on some special fantasy footballers trading cards. We worked with Leaf to manufacture them and we released them on Thursday. So I think after we had recorded the main show.

[Jason Moore]

Some dark day.

[Andy Holloway]

Some dark. Well, we'll talk about that. We'll talk about that. Jason's in. He's having major physical troubles because of these. But we released 1000 limited edition sets that included. They're all hand signed autographs. They're pretty cool cards. We had talked about doing this for a while. We released a thousand of them on Thursday. As of this moment of this recording, which is Monday, there are 368 sets remaining of the thousand. So this will be the only time we mention it. Every set comes with all four cards. One of them will be a limited edition, gold numbered version of the card. So if you want to be on the hunt for the.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we're all waiting for it.

[Andy Holloway]

For the. I want to know who gets the number 55 out of 249 Golden Triple Auto. That's what I want to know.

[Mike Wright]

There can be only one.

[Andy Holloway]

We didn't pull it. It's out there at random.

[Jason Moore]

We did pull it for a minute. We got to hold on.

[Andy Holloway]

We wanted to see it. And then we're like, this is not fair. Somebody has to be able to get this. But just go to shotballers.com if you want to get in on that.

[Jason Moore]

Or alternatively, if you want to do me a favor and not buy them, because I am sick of signing these.

[Andy Holloway]

Have we not had this conversation?

[Jason Moore]

No, I don't think so. My.

[Andy Holloway]

I could sign a million things a day and it would just be pleasant to me. Mike, how about you?

[Mike Wright]

I wouldn't call it pleasant, but it. Not a problem.

[Andy Holloway]

Like a smooth, cathartic. I think I just get in the groove signing stuff.

[Jason Moore]

My signature is awesome. You know, your guys are just squiggles and mine takes a while. Takes energy and effort.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's a project.

[Jason Moore]

It takes muscles in the hand.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. You are the one that's behind the most, and you're the one that takes the longest to sign anything.

[Jason Moore]

I'm coming in early. Staying.

[Andy Holloway]

I didn't know this was going to be a real roadblock for us. But you, you're the bottleneck.

[Mike Wright]

You're a weird, ambidextrous right.

[Jason Moore]

My strong hand is my right hand. I sports and all that.

[Mike Wright]

That's solved.

[Jason Moore]

But I write and eat with my right.

[Mike Wright]

Problem solved.

[Jason Moore]

You're weak hand.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it is.

[Jason Moore]

I'm siding with my strong hand.

[Mike Wright]

Like the hand and the arm that's getting all the.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not our fault, though. A man who understands that that's your weak hand doesn't have, like, a Massimo autograph. That takes 50 years.

[Jason Moore]

I'm building up strength. I've got the little grips I'm using at night.

[Mike Wright]

It's good.

[Andy Holloway]

It says Jason Randall Moore, the host of the show. Number 11. Yeah. No, he's. He's. He's working hard for It.

[Jason Moore]

I'm ahead of Mike right now.

[Andy Holloway]

That is true.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know if you were aware of that.

[Mike Wright]

I was.

[Andy Holloway]

He worked his way ahead all day long today. Shotballers.com, the final 368 sets available over there and then they'll be gone. And Jason, you won't have to sign anymore. So thanks. Let's talk about those games. New England 10, Denver 7. Denver scored. Yeah, Denver scored seven points on the second drive of the game. Great pass by Stidham. Seemed like they were on their way.

[Mike Wright]

Great drive.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. Had some third down conversions on that drive. Ends up that's all the points you get. That's all the points they scored. They did not score.

[Mike Wright]

Again, I kind of give the New England touchdown to Stidham.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Because.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, actually if they didn't blow the whistle, it definitely would have been directly a defensive touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

And it was an incredibly boneheaded play of you're like, oh, after the second drive where it looked like, hey J. Staddy, he's looking cool, composed. And then you have the turnover players where it was, this is a man who has not taken enough reps during the season for this moment. Clutches, keeps backing up, keeps backing up. Infinite backup and instead of just taking either the easy thing, just curl up, just get hit. Yeah, it's fine.

[Andy Holloway]

Punt the ball away. Defense. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

The Patriots to that point have done nothing offensively. I don't even know if they had crossed the halfway point before that fumble happened.

[Jason Moore]

He also could have just thrown it away like oh yeah, 12 times.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. But I'm saying once you. He chose to pump and double clutch it because he wanted to extend the play. After that you just know you got to eat it. But he unfortunately made a terrible decision and that was a game.

[Jason Moore]

It does, it does.

[Andy Holloway]

Because winter, winter descended in the second half of that game.

[Jason Moore]

It really seems like, you know, I know that the Broncos, and we talked about it before the weekend, like Bo Nix, right. Wasn't really the star of the Broncos. The defense is the star of the Broncos and they should be able to get it done. But it does seem like with how close this game was, the poor weather conditions, the great defenses, if Bonix was there, they probably win.

[Andy Holloway]

I think so too. And I think, you know, in the moment I didn't like the decision to go forward on fourth down. When you're up seven points, when you have a chance to put points on the board with that defense at home, with that crowd. But hindsight's 20 20, how big is.

[Mike Wright]

Stidham I mean, I'm looking this up.

[Andy Holloway]

I believe.

[Mike Wright]

6, 3, 2, 15. You needed a yard. Just QB sneak it. That's plenty big for a yard. I hate. I was team go for it. I thought the play call was where you're. You're booting him out. It's a cut the field in half. I hate that. I hate that. On fourth down.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And they never, they never got on the board again. The game turned into a snowball in the second half. It was crazy to see the time lapse from the first and second quarter to the. Where we were in the fourth quarter. Drake May had another fresh snow dome battle on our hands this morning.

[Jason Moore]

Drake May going to the Super bowl with 86 yards.

[Andy Holloway]

That's fine. It's fine. It's football.

[Jason Moore]

It is.

[Andy Holloway]

It's football. We have a difference of opinion on the snow game. I mean some people like it, some people don't.

[Mike Wright]

It seems about 50, 50, 47% of his passes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Completed for 86 yards.

[Andy Holloway]

Sometimes you win them dirty, sometimes you don't. I mean one of these teams was going to win with bad numbers. That's what was going to happen in this game. New England headed back to the Super Bowl. You know, it seems like anybody that is a fan of any team that wins doesn't want to be criticized in any way. New England, they haven't won a lot of games against good opponents, but they.

[Mike Wright]

Got, they're beating good defenses and they're in the Super Bowl.

[Andy Holloway]

They're beating good defenses. Yeah. I mean, but I don't, I mean, I would say that they're very fairly the underdog of the Super Bowl.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, that is fine.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, I think that they're.

[Mike Wright]

They're four and a half.

[Andy Holloway]

The Seahawks are a more complete team.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Vrabel's a great coach. He will have a game plan. They will not go in there and get. I don't think they're going to get completely boat race, but it's a repeat, right? We saw Seattle have a Super bowl stolen from them by New England at the end on an interception. They get a repeat it in a couple of weeks. Seattle with a complete performance to stay ahead of Los Angeles 31, 27. Not in the snow. Both quarterbacks played well. Really just came down to a couple of plays in this game. A fourth down stop around the goal line for the Rams chance to go ahead. I was shocked that they didn't pull it off, to be honest, when they were down there. But the Seattle defense is outstanding. Four and a half point Favorites in the Super Bowl, Seattle.

[Mike Wright]

It's good. It. For as much fun as it would be to have Jarrett Stidham go into the super bowl, this is of the options. This is the game. I think that it's the game I wanted.

[Andy Holloway]

So is Buffalo, Is Buffalo still in it or.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, they lost.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I don't think they're allowed to win Super Bowls, so they just bowed out early.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. This should be fun. We got some coaching news. The Ravens hired Jesse Minter. We didn't get to talk about that on this show. No, I guess.

[Mike Wright]

I don't think so.

[Andy Holloway]

The new head coach of the Ravens, former Chargers, D.C. jesse Minter. Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Yep. Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Steelers hired Mike McCarthy.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man. Oh, this is so good.

[Andy Holloway]

Which is a Pittsburgh guy. He's a Pittsburgh guy.

[Jason Moore]

He's a Pittsburgh guy. It's so funny. I know it's been making the rounds on X, but if you, if you look at Mike Tomlin and Mike McCarthy and John Harbaugh, they all are basically identical when it comes to their age, their seasons played, their win percentage, their times winning a division, their playoff appearances, their Super Bowls, they've all got one. And Mike McCarthy is universally, like, laughed at. And the other guys are like, these are great coaches.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm probably.

[Mike Wright]

He's on his third job.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm embarrassingly not as anti McCarthy in general. I don't think. I thought he did. I thought he did a good job in Dallas. I do.

[Jason Moore]

His offense was great. I mean, that was, you know, I.

[Andy Holloway]

Thought he did a good job. He doesn't control Jerry Jones. Nobody. There are certain organizations where we just talked about this with Cleveland. Cleveland, you made an amazing point. Because we were saying, nobody wants to go to Cleveland and take this job now. Right. So nobody wants to go there. But they had Kevin Stefanski. But if Kevin Stefanski was on the open market and hadn't been their coach, he would pass on an interview, right?

[Jason Moore]

They had. He would.

[Mike Wright]

Not even a funny thought experiment.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. He'd be like, I wouldn't go there.

[Andy Holloway]

He's like, no, I, I. There's been some withdrawals of interviews.

[Jason Moore]

Like, do they have regrets right now? Like, ah, shoot. I, I mean, nobody wants to care.

[Mike Wright]

As a Cardinals fan, the clowns running that show don't care.

[Jason Moore]

It feels really great to have Cleveland exist.

[Andy Holloway]

It's hard. You know what I mean?

[Jason Moore]

It's like, yeah, it's like all the coaches aren't bowing out of our job only they're also bowing out of the Cleveland job. That feels good.

[Andy Holloway]

So Mike McCarthy takes over in Pittsburgh. There you go. Maybe that means that Rogers will come back and play one more year under his former coach. I don't know.

[Jason Moore]

I thought they left on such bad terms back in Green Bay. I know. Andy, you were saying that it was reported that this might be more likely that they come back, but I think.

[Andy Holloway]

I think familiarity, like, I don't think Rogers wants to go and deal with one more year for a head coach. That's just like a random.

[Mike Wright]

Right?

[Andy Holloway]

I think. I think so. Whatever that means. I don't know if they want him back. They shouldn't. He's not a Pro Bowler. Like Shador. I mean.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man. Oh, Shador Sanders.

[Andy Holloway]

What is the Pro bowl, man?

[Jason Moore]

The Pro bowl is E. D. I.

[Andy Holloway]

Mean, this is flag football now, right?

[Mike Wright]

Which. That's fine. No, no, no.

[Andy Holloway]

It's just.

[Mike Wright]

I'm saying it's fine to do whatever because we. No one. No one really cares. I was hoping I would care about the flag football, but I still don't. I don't watch. It's just. What is dead is, other than contractually, because these guys put it in their contract of, like, if you make the Pro bowl, we'll give it $250,000. It means nothing. It means nothing.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, you mean 1400 passing yards and.

[Mike Wright]

Seven passing, a seven to ten pass to. Or touchdown interception ratio? Yes, that is what I'm talking about. And, like, it was an accolade at one point. It no longer is, if you don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

Shador was named as a replacement Pro Bowler, so he will be at the Pro bowl.

[Mike Wright]

Like the Snoop Huntley. That was fun to do the jokes right the first. You're like, hey, every time. Because you never talk about Snoop.

[Andy Holloway]

Snoop had two touchdowns and three picks. That was his total passing yardage.

[Mike Wright]

Whenever his name came up, it'd be like. You got to do the bit like, oh, sweet. Okay, guys, that's Pro Bowler Snoop Huntley.

[Andy Holloway]

Ha ha. We all chuckled, which now is the case for Shador.

[Mike Wright]

And now it's just. Now we're done. The bid is dead.

[Jason Moore]

Stevanski's only Pro bowl quarterback in all of his years with the Browns was Shador Sanders.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, wow. Goodness gracious.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, it's an insult to anyone making a Pro Bowl. Yes, he's. He was objectively bad, and I wanted him to be good, but I mean, his every metric, you can look at.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Shador had plays and he had drives and he had games that were okay. But in totality, how you would define an.

[Mike Wright]

It's an All Star.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what I was going to say.

[Mike Wright]

Right. This is an NBA All Star.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Like Devin Booker sitting here. Can't get into one of these things. And Shadow is an all star. Mike McDaniels named the offensive coordinator for the Chargers. And I am excited about that.

[Mike Wright]

Fantasy football. Loves it.

[Andy Holloway]

And Hampton, Herbert Ladd, hopefully they could all get it going there. Jonathan Gannon, not our problem anymore. He's the packers problem, the new defensive coordinator in Green Bay.

[Mike Wright]

You know, it's going to work.

[Andy Holloway]

They. Oh, it'll work fine.

[Jason Moore]

Because Going to get the fire in their belly.

[Mike Wright]

Well, is it like. I don't know when Parsons will be ready, but it's like it was Parsons.

[Andy Holloway]

They lost the.

[Mike Wright]

Parsons stays healthy. No one's fired from there.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, no, they lost Hayley to Miami to become.

[Mike Wright]

But I'm saying, like, fired. But I'm saying, like, no matter who's coming into here, either Parsons is healthy or he's not. Yeah. And if he's healthy, you're a great defensive coordinator.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, and he was in Philadelphia.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I think they wanted him out.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, they wanted him out because Philadelphia has no patience or appreciation. But they went to the super bowl with him, is all I'm saying.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

And the players. To a man everyone loves Jonathan Gannon. Like the actual players of the Cardinals. We didn't really love him, but he was beloved in the locker room.

[Andy Holloway]

Just like the new offensive coordinator of Detroit. The block.

[Mike Wright]

Drew Petzing. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

The Dolphins promoted Bobby Slowik to offensive coordinator. Okay, that one doesn't excite me at all. Quinn Ewers and Bobby Slowik. Are we rebuilding in Miami? Feels that way.

[Jason Moore]

You got to tear it down to build it back up.

[Andy Holloway]

This is like, not good for hn we not good for hn, man.

[Mike Wright]

Slowik was there for.

[Andy Holloway]

It was Houston.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah. But it was that first Stroud's rookie year.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, yes. His rookie year, Slowik was all the rage. It was him and Ben Johnson were the two young, hot names.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

And then it all collapsed. What a weird situation after that. And then Slowik went to, you know.

[Mike Wright]

Become of Stroud looking like he's dirty diaper Stroud's rookie year. You're like, here it is. Here is. This guy's going to be the next great quarterback. Slowik. Here it is, the next great offensive mind. Hold on. One more year. Just run it back. Let's run it back, guys. And then it's just been bad. Like, what in the world happened there?

[Andy Holloway]

I do not know. But that is all we got by way of news this morning. We want to get into the truth. Help your fantasy teams out as we look back. Back on 2025. Take a break and jump right in.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

You want answers? I think I'm entitled. You want answers? I want the truth. You can't handle the truth. Handle it. Not even. You can't even handle some of it, Jason.

[Jason Moore]

Certainly not all of it.

[Andy Holloway]

We are back into the running back position today. If you wanted to hear the first and second part of the quarterback truth episodes, we did those on previous shows. You can just click back on those. We did the Running Back Part 1. We're going to get kind of through the next group, which is kind of a lot of interesting names. Running back stayed healthy. We talked about that on the last episode. Relatively healthy. Had 17 different running backs. Top 1,000 yards rushing this season. That's the most since 2006. That's 20 years or 19 years. So, you know, we have a. We also had a lot of running back twos that people picked late in drafts that ended up being like very valuable. Whether it was ETN who had a really low draft spot. Jason, you were, you know, pretty sure he was going to be the guy over Bigsby. They traded Bigsby, making it even more ETN's backfield. He was the running back 10 in fantasy finish, but drafted at 31 but like Javante Swift Warren was one of those later round guys. Kenneth Gainwell. So like both the Steeler running backs. So a lot of these names we'll talk about on today's show. A lot of interesting running backs and what the truth is about them. I had somebody ask me, ask me the question because we talked about Genti on the last show and I just want to throw this out there real quick, but somebody had been just asking like, is Genty, is that the top running back for you in Dynasty from last year's class? Is it still Genti to you?

[Jason Moore]

Some of the injuries I think have forced it to be Genty.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, is it Genti over Hampton to you with McDaniel coming in and the like. I think Hampton offensive line being healthy.

[Jason Moore]

Those guys are very, very close.

[Andy Holloway]

And then he's over hard and Henderson's the other question.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah, I believe it's still Genty.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man, that's brutal.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think that's a tough one because that is all the emotions of like, what the franchises have been, what the offensive line.

[Mike Wright]

Let's think about redress. Quarterback looks like there's like, we don't have any. We don't have our 2026 rankings yet. I apologize. We should get on that. But like, it just real quick off the cuff, like. Or who would you take first in a redraft right now, Hampton or Ashton Genty? I would take Hampton and in the world of running backs for Dynasty, I don't know if I feel like that makes a statement.

[Andy Holloway]

Push comes to shove, I'd be able to pull the trigger on Hampton or Regenti. I think that's a really tough one. You're going to have a new head coach, a new quarterback. In Las Vegas, we all saw kind of the transformation for New York this year, right? You get a new quarterback, you invigorates the team all of a sudden. Cam scatter. Boo. By the way, he's in the conversation. Sure. Not. Not above those guys, probably, but like, he'll be back. I just think it's interesting how quick a franchise can change. We thought it might happen last year with Geno. Geno now has the worst storyline you've ever heard. Gino is now. You were so bad that when. When another team got rid of you, the team you went to gets the number one pick and the team you left went to the Super bowl. You get the one and maybe the 32.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man.

[Andy Holloway]

That's how Gino. Gino was. Oh, and we thought. Some people thought, I don't Know if we thought it, but I think some people thought it wasn't much of a difference. Why'd you were going to pay Gino, he didn't want to stay. You went and you settle on Darnold. That's a big difference.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, a lot of people thought this was a huge mistake for the Seahawks. I mean, you've got to really hand it to the Seahawks general manager. I mean the, the, the deftness, the shrewdness, the correctness of these transactions were amazing. I mean they have built this.

[Andy Holloway]

Getting rid of Metcalf and having that be a net benefit for your team. Switching to Darnold, building the defense. Yeah, it's funny holding, holding Ken Walker.

[Jason Moore]

Back so strategically so that in the playoffs you could unleash him once you tore Charbonnet's ACL trading for Shahid.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

It is interesting though. Free agent spending this off season, the number one most contracts in money given out. The New England Patriots and the Seahawks were the number four. So they, these two teams went out and spent some big money on free agency and lo and behold, it worked.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. All right, well, let's get into the truth. On the last episode we talked about Christian McCaffrey, John the Taylor, Bijan Gibbs, A Chan Cook, Henry Chase Brown, Kyron Williams and ETN, the aforementioned ETN at number 11, Javante Williams. I'm so, I'm so just happy for Javante Williams that we're having this conversation at this time of the show because the truth of Javante Williams before this year.

[Mike Wright]

Thought it was, thought it was never going to happen.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I mean this was a 9th round, late night, 9th round pick in fantasy RB39, off the board, 25 years old still.

[Jason Moore]

I was going to say the age is what, what's shocking. I mean, you know, who could have.

[Mike Wright]

Used him with the Denver Broncos?

[Andy Holloway]

Denver Broncos.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I mean they had a bad beat with Dobbins. If you have Dobbins and Harvey, that's a solid combo.

[Andy Holloway]

25.7 years old, Jason consistency in the second half of 16:11 in the first half, that's really where he shined.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he was, he was better in the first half. It was mostly touchdowns really was the difference.

[Andy Holloway]

He was extremely lamb during that time.

[Jason Moore]

Extremely hot. You know, the first half of their season on getting into the end zone. I believe in the first eight weeks he was basically on pace for 17 touchdowns. After that point it was just goal line work that was missing. But he was pretty consistent for what he was. The question now becomes, you know, is he a Cowboy. Are they going to commit to him going forward? He is young, he looked good. I'm confident that he will be back in a. In a big part of their offense.

[Andy Holloway]

It's the easiest path forward for them. A team that needs to rebuild the defense every which way and make sure that that's not the worst in history again.

[Mike Wright]

Should but it's. It really seemed like Rico would be back last year or for this to you past season. He was, he was coming off of 1,000 yards on the ground and would not be expensive. But they moved on. Well, I don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean Javante was the RB5 in the. In the first eight weeks of the season. You talked about it. He was good at getting into the end zone. Very productive really throughout the entire season. So it was impressive. He had 13% great games. So he wasn't you know, winning you weeks very often. But 56% good games, 19% bus games. Pretty consistent 1200 yards rushing and he missed the final week of the year.

[Mike Wright]

He just got his job done. However. Whoa, 51 targets turning into 137 receiving yards is not good. That's I. That's impressive. That's.

[Andy Holloway]

To be that low.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean he's. He's willing to stand there and catch that thing behind the line of scrimmage, fall forward. Yeah. It's funny. You do, you do run. I mean Chuba was the famous case last year. Chuba Hubbard. Whereas like you are involved in the passing game but like you are nothing. Done doing much with it.

[Mike Wright]

Cowboys with Javante and George going to be interesting how free agency shakes out in what month and a half or something?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it'll be here before you know it.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

And the draft, I mean we're looking at the. And I know this will get previewed on the Dynasty show that comes out on Wednesday. Mm. Right now Daniel Jeremiah, he had his first mock draft and the first mock draft had seven of 32 players that are fantasy relevant. So you're talking running backs, wide receivers, tight ends and quarterbacks.

[Mike Wright]

If you play Dynasty, do not read Jeremiah Love's mock draft.

[Andy Holloway]

Daniel Jeremiah as you mean.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Jeremiah Love.

[Jason Moore]

Daniel Jeremiah.

[Andy Holloway]

Jeremiah Love. He wrote up his own mock draft. He actually went number one because the.

[Mike Wright]

Landing spots would make you puke.

[Andy Holloway]

No, it does feel like a defensive heavy draft.

[Jason Moore]

If and specifically how his mock land that if that were to happen in real life, you would be talking about a very better have the one on one underwhelming rookie draft.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep. Yeah. I mean you know some Guys are going to emerge and outside the first round and all that stuff. But it was a little bit heavy on the defensive players. The offensive linemen at number 12, Josh Jacobs. Guys, number three, inconsistency in the first half of the year. So finished at 12 overall. But number three inconsistency in the first half, 10 inconsistency overall and 22nd in the second half of the season. Dealt with the injury. Do you forgive? Like we know that Jacobs, he didn't miss any time, right? He missed one game.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he missed, but he played through.

[Andy Holloway]

Injury frequently, which kind of makes the consistency chart for him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So we maybe a little more tricky.

[Jason Moore]

It does make it a little bit more tricky. This was very injury related. We all knew it. We saw it on the field and he had games. But the thing is, is these, these also hurt you. In fantasy, I played him for some of these games where you're talking about, okay, he gets 22% of the snaps, 28% of the snaps, 39% of the snaps in three different games, all in the second half of the year. When he's, because of these injuries, the knee issue that he was dealing with, it's. It's really upsetting to me personally because you look at how good he was in the first half, he was great. And who does it remind you of who was so good in the first half and then kind of faltered down the stretch?

[Mike Wright]

Jonathan Taylor.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, those are my two guys.

[Mike Wright]

Got to get hot at the right time.

[Jason Moore]

I know. And I got cold at the end.

[Andy Holloway]

When it ended up happening.

[Jason Moore]

I didn't win the championship. Mike did.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Josh. 20% great games, 67% good games. That's awesome. 20% bust games. Josh Jacobs last year, very similar numbers. A few less bust games. Playing through the injury this year definitely hurt people.

[Jason Moore]

The truth for Josh Jacobs is he is a dominant force, a core part of this offense. The fact that he did up until he got injured exactly what he was doing the year prior means I will be projecting him to do more great things next year. Injuries are just part of the game. He's a tough guy. He tried to play through it and probably to his and his team's detriment.

[Mike Wright]

Does that make him a tough guy?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

If you try to play through injury, but you look terrible, but you hurt your team.

[Jason Moore]

Well, what's funny, are you tough?

[Mike Wright]

Are you a tough guy?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you are. That's the way that tough guys work. We don't care how it benefits or doesn't benefit you. It's Just did you do it?

[Mike Wright]

I mean there is no try.

[Andy Holloway]

No. I mean that's what do and he did not do. It's like when Mac Jones, you know he skipped. Oh my God, he skipped that life saving surgery when you need it.

[Mike Wright]

Talking toughness, you can't bring Mac Jones up because everyone else is just looks like a coward compared to him. Compared to the greatness of Mac Jones.

[Andy Holloway]

Josh Jacobs finished at 10, inconsistency 12 overall. Jason better or worse next year better.

[Jason Moore]

On the course of the season because of what happened at the end of the year. I'm going to say if he plays 17 games next year definitely be better than this season.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, we got to talk about Ashton Genti now. He managed and I feel like this is an accomplishment. I really do. It is to finish at 13 at the running back position for the team that had no quarterback play. Worse than no quarterback. Actively detrimental quarterback play.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Who has no offensive line, who Jacobs would call it tough ends up with the tough quarterback number one. I mean remember Jacobs had a really down year for this team and everybody doubted him and he got paid by Green Bay and was great again. Genti was up against it still ends up at 13. Now his consistency was 21 and that is much more indicative of how he felt to have him on your team. And it didn't really change. It wasn't like, like in the first half of the year he was 18, inconsistency 24 in the second half of the year he definitely felt like a low in RB2 or an RB3 more often than he felt like an RB1.

[Jason Moore]

He hurt you a lot. And this wasn't due to injury. It was due to a doo doo.

[Andy Holloway]

It was doo doo.

[Mike Wright]

It was due to the doo doo.

[Jason Moore]

It was a situation where every time you put him in your lineup you could go out there and not receive five fantasy points. That was always in the range of outcomes.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean there were games I'm looking at this 5.9, 6.3, 3.9, 6.4, 9.1, 4.3, can't have it.

[Mike Wright]

6.2, can't have that.

[Andy Holloway]

But then week 16, a crucial playoff game number one overall in the week in a matchup against Houston. And that's.

[Jason Moore]

And that was off of two games in a row where people were legitimately benching him.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Saying like toughest matchup that you could have hasn't scored those those two weeks in a row were basically a combined 10 fantasy points.

[Mike Wright]

I would not have blamed anyone for.

[Andy Holloway]

Doing it dead last. Number one dead Last in points scored, the Raiders were and offensive line rank. The cool thing about Genty is that that is within the realm of possibilities. On the worst team in the worst situation. You, he's a breakaway guy. He's a, he's a home run hitter. He can go make that monstrous play and defy the odds of your team's momentum and that's nice. I mean I like that built into. I like 22 year old running back.

[Jason Moore]

Sure, yeah. A young running back in the worst possible situation. Who finishes as the running back? 13 you go, okay, well next year will they have the number one worst offensive line in the league? It's possible, but they did this year. Maybe they're the 25th worst and that's a big upgrade for him. Same with the off. It's like it feels like his floor. It honestly it kind of reminds like you look at JSN and the situation that he was in, you know, bad quarterback play, but kind of had a surprising end to his rookie year and then the situation just got better. I think the situation can get to a place in this next off season where Genty has that top five range of outcome at the position.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, didn't it take Jason two years? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was. Genti was the six most targets for a rookie over the last decade. So the targets really helped.

[Mike Wright]

He is, he is a good player. If you watch him play like he's breaking tackles, he's doing incredible things and but the, the adp to be okay with the ADP where I think he's going to land, you have to see. I would have to see big improvements in the line.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he will be much lower than where he went this year. That is the comforting thing. No matter what, like he's not going in, he's not going at RB6, do you think?

[Mike Wright]

No, no, he won't. But I bet he goes in the second round.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, well that'll be a fun discussion to have in like five minutes whenever the new, the new season starts. Jason Saquon Barkley finished at 14. Consistency rank 16. Not exactly what you want from the fourth overall pick in the draft at the RB2. Twelfth inconsistency in the first half. Twentieth in the second half, 1100 yards and seven touchdowns. Thirteen percent great games. Let me give you a reminder. Last year in Philadelphia, 44% great games. If you don't know what we're talking about, a great game for a fantasy running back we define as more than. Wait, where's the number? Is it 2021? More than 21 fantasy points good is 12 or more. That means that Saquon was sitting at 50% good games.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, last year it was 75%.

[Jason Moore]

That's why there was, you know, debate at the top of drafts this year whether Saquon, you know, should be even the number one pick. But you're an older running back coming off of a massive workload. It's very, very difficult. I know, I know. This is a Christian McCaffrey reality when you are close to 30 and you make a deep playoff run. Saquon went to the super bowl and had a ton of work on his body. It wasn't like he was bad this year or injured this year.

[Andy Holloway]

It was just appropriate variance.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, this.

[Mike Wright]

He was bad for the fourth overall pick.

[Andy Holloway]

Very bad, very bad for that.

[Jason Moore]

He was a.

[Andy Holloway]

He was on the overreaction show. Do you remember this?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, I do.

[Andy Holloway]

He was on the overreaction show and the overreaction was. Don't. Don't react to his dominance and think that it's repeatable, because it's really not. And, you know, all the accolades and the possibilities for, you know, Christian McCaffrey, the fact that he bounced back this year, show me two in a row. You know what I mean? Like, that's really hard to do. We don't really know what the variance numbers would have been for McCaffrey in those three other seasons because he was just out injured. But I don't, you know, it's just hard. You have. He had one touchdown inside the five. Do you realize this?

[Jason Moore]

That's Saquon.

[Andy Holloway]

Saquon. It's not like they didn't want him to do all this stuff. It's just Lane Johnson got hurt and the offense was worse.

[Mike Wright]

And a lot of that was. I mean, last year was. There was, I think, like a home run play every single game.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, you're dead on the money, Mike. 1720 plus yard runs last year. How many had this year?

[Mike Wright]

So he had 17.

[Andy Holloway]

17. So it's one per game.

[Mike Wright]

Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, I doubt it was spread that way, but.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, right, right, right.

[Andy Holloway]

Equivalent to one per game.

[Mike Wright]

So what did he hit this year? I don't know, like six?

[Andy Holloway]

Lower.

[Mike Wright]

Oh.

[Andy Holloway]

Four. Four?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

You go from 17 to four.

[Mike Wright]

That'll. That'll hurt your efficiency and your numbers.

[Andy Holloway]

Jameis Winston, Riley Leonard, Jake Browning, Josh Johnson, a Goomba walleye, Phil Mafa, Elijah Moore, Greg Dorch, A.J. barner, all those names had as many rushing touchdowns inside the five is Saquon Barkley. So when you, when you talk about.

[Mike Wright]

Things that feels like malpractice.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And I think, you know, obviously if he'd been injured and out for the year, that's worse than if he had just been the RB14 when you expected the RB2. But in some ways, it was really difficult for fantasy managers to manage this situation because you thought you had a game breaker and instead you had more of a stabilizer.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And I think a lot of it was on Saquon Barkley. Not his fault necessarily, but it wasn't just the team and the situation around him. He had 13 carries inside the five. He had one touchdown inside the five. That, that's, that's a. That's a really bad success rate.

[Andy Holloway]

I forgot to compliment. You think you're so smart that you didn't root for Denver.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, that was genius.

[Jason Moore]

Yep. I tried. I try to let everybody know how.

[Andy Holloway]

Genius have you not to the world works because they didn't win, so you can't root for them.

[Jason Moore]

New no.

[Andy Holloway]

DeAndre Swift at 15. Wow. He's 27 years old now. DeAndre Swift came in at 15. Consistency was better than that. 12. First half, number eight. Second half, 17. 13% great, 56% good, 13% bust. It's. It's kind of. It's kind of like saying he was Saquon this year. Him and Saquon were back to back and he was more consistent than Saquon was. And that is speaking to our.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, look, this is just DeAndre Swift being DeAndre Swift. It's what he has done every year of his career. He's been a running back. Two in fantasy, he can't. He's not a running back. One, he's not good enough. But he is not going to be, you know, outside the. He will not. He will not, not be a running back, too. It's just what he is. He's the running back. 18, 19, 22, 23, 19 and 14.

[Mike Wright]

Now, incredible.

[Jason Moore]

But for where you drafted him, I mean, considering that he was almost the same outcome as Saquon Barkley certainly was. The, you know, he would have been the better draft pick to make between the two guys. And I also think that as the season went along, I know that some of the consistency scores got worse for him. He had. I think he had a game where he got banged up in and missed some time in, but I feel like the team, the Bears, started figuring out how to use him a little bit better.

[Mike Wright]

I think so. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And so it'll just be interesting. Is he under contract for Next year?

[Mike Wright]

Believe so.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he's per. He has a lifetimer.

[Mike Wright]

The bag they gave him was very large. So this is his final year and he's at 8.8 million for a cab. I mean he's. He'll be on the team.

[Andy Holloway]

I didn't, I didn't tell him.

[Jason Moore]

He will be a running back too.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, probably. I will say this Manangai looked really good. I don't think he's. He's going to be everything there. Obviously they're always going to have a compliment to him. We didn't talk about this One aspect that stood out to me in the. In the Rams game though, the future of. Because I think of Manangai and Swift and then you think of Blake Corum and Kyron Williams and I, I watched Blake Corum look like the better running back to me in that game, which he's done multiple times this year. I just don't know what the future of that backfield is going to look like.

[Mike Wright]

Right. Yeah. Kyron's place in fantasy and his injury.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you think Corum looked better?

[Mike Wright]

Honestly because of the numbers I'm frequently. I'm accrediting the production to the wrong guy. I still think that Kyron is overall the better player but next year there's an. Next year the debate will be fair of. Do you take a couple round discount? Good look because Gorham will be much behind. He'll be no like he'll be a. Like a seventh or an eighth round pick I would think just based off of how. What happens to running backs. It's like where's Kyren? Is Kyren in the third? So then that'll be a. That'll be a fun off season discussion.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like there's a. There's more like tactician to Kyren but there's some more explosiveness and burst to Quorum at this point. Sorry. Yeah, that was a bit of a detour but we didn't bring up the Quorum thing from the game. Let's move forward here. We'll take a break, talk through a few more names before we let you go. I don't know if you guys got super bowl predictions yet. Are you both on the Seattle side?

[Jason Moore]

We had Seattle winning coming into the playoffs this year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Did anyone else in the. Jeremy, you did?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, sir.

[Mike Wright]

All right, we win.

[Andy Holloway]

Who are they playing? I had Seattle and Buffalo.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

It doesn't matter. No one had Patriots.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, one of us did. Oh, did you?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, buddy.

[Jason Moore]

Josh has Patriots winning.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, all right.

[Jason Moore]

So I guess we haven't won yet.

[Mike Wright]

Who was your.

[Jason Moore]

I had the Bears.

[Mike Wright]

Ah.

[Andy Holloway]

And you guys had Jacksonville. Both of you in your little, like in our identity codependent brackets.

[Mike Wright]

I have more correct brackets than yours.

[Jason Moore]

Well said, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

Is that true? Probably.

[Mike Wright]

Do you have Seattle in?

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Then you're out at the Rams.

[Andy Holloway]

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It's on prime. No.

[Andy Holloway]

If you ask the Internet, Mike, I have. I'm like anti Seattle or something. I don't. I don't know what I said. Remember I was anti Patriots last week and now I'm anti Seattle. I don't know who I'm anti.

[Mike Wright]

You're anti everybody.

[Andy Holloway]

If I say.

[Mike Wright]

Which also means you're pro everybody.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, exactly. Exactly. It just depends what thing I say at what moment. I can tell you this. Nobody has debated that. I'm pro Cardinals.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, that's true.

[Andy Holloway]

We all know where we're. Stand there. Jaylen Warren, Kenneth Gainwell. What in the world was the truth of the Steelers running back room this year?

[Mike Wright]

Because, I mean, the truth is it was a very good backfield. It just kind of shifted halfway through the year.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, you look at the game.

[Mike Wright]

Not kind of. It shifted.

[Andy Holloway]

You look at the game log for these two players. Who would you have rather have overall? Overall. Because, I mean, overall, Warren. Warren was a steal. He was brought up before the season, a favorite. Mike, I know you brought him up a lot. Gainwell undrafted, Completely. Gainwell, you know, respectfully, was kind of this player that seemed like. It's one of the reasons liked Jason like Caleb.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Is because he didn't look at Gainwell as somebody that would be.

[Mike Wright]

Well, he seemed redundant to Jalen Warren. I mean, like, it's a similar skill set.

[Andy Holloway]

They ended up needing that redundancy.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, they did. But it's like, okay, common thought process would be we have a. You know, you have your. If you want your thunder and your lightning, Caleb Johnson's the big Guy who's going to move the pile, score some touchdowns. And then Warren is, is this in between twenties, he's your pass catcher. And then. And that's really how the season started. You know, we had Aaron Rodgers just hoisting accolades on Jalen. Warren unfortunately gets hurt in week four. So you, I mean you misses week four, bounces back, has some really strong games and then I don't know what happened in practice or maybe just Kenneth Gainwell got really hot in week 11 against the Bengals and they said, oh, perhaps we should do this more. Because from there on out it was really. Gainwell was the one you would rather have.

[Jason Moore]

It was, it was a combination of two things. It was. Kenneth Gainwell was playing outstanding football and he became maybe their best offensive weapon down the stretch. But the other part of it is this is Aaron Rodgers saying who he wants on the field to catch passes. He was literally their leading pass catcher on the season and it wasn't even close. He had 73 receptions. DK Metcalf had 59. I mean, yeah, it was a gross offense altogether, but this was Aaron Rodgers wanting his check down out there. Now it was a one year sub $2 million deal. I don't know if Kenneth Gainwell is back here on this team. We don't know if Aaron Rodgers is back on the team.

[Mike Wright]

They're paying Gainwell under 2 million.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And he's out there being your leading receiver and the guy you gave a bajillion dollars to.

[Andy Holloway]

He had, come on, man. He had six top 12 weeks. He was so five of them from week 11 on.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean he, he helped people win off of the waiver wires.

[Andy Holloway]

Kyle says he feels like an old school Theo Riddick. Yeah, he did.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Theo Riddick was. You remember the year with Stafford where he was just, he's just a pass catcher. 41% good games from Kenny G, 50% good games from Warren, only 6% great from Warren. He didn't have the explosive games, Gainwell did. Gainwell had 18% great games.

[Mike Wright]

This one will also be interesting of what do this because Warren's under contract.

[Andy Holloway]

He was voted the Steelers most valuable player by the teammates. Do you realize that it's been T.J. watt five of the last six years. He was elected by the teammates the most valuable player on the team.

[Mike Wright]

I wonder if he will be back.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Without Tomlin and Rogers, that would be.

[Mike Wright]

It's going to be different.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Crazy. I mean the. That that will all have to shake out. But Jaylen Warren is. I think Jaylen Warren will be very usable and interesting next year.

[Andy Holloway]

How about Caleb?

[Mike Wright]

I mean if gamewell is gone there is a chance but I don't know how good the chances.

[Andy Holloway]

Rico Dowdle is 17 Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He was the beginning of the year of Mike from week five through nine at least. Just a little temporary run here for he did end up over a thousand again. 27 years old. Older and consistency of 24. Sorry.

[Mike Wright]

No one wants you, Rico.

[Jason Moore]

And nobody does.

[Mike Wright]

I'm sorry.

[Andy Holloway]

He really. He really. I'm on your team wasn't great from week 10 on.

[Mike Wright]

No, he was not.

[Andy Holloway]

He just like it all slowed down. I don't know if it was just the split and he didn't get going very often. I don't know if it was the matchups. It doesn't seem like they were that rough.

[Jason Moore]

He also played through groin injuries.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. Remember he had the week where both groins.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. Just removed him. Just removed his groins.

[Andy Holloway]

He said he wants to leave if he can't be the guy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. He wants to go somewhere and be the guy and you're not going to find any team to make you the guy.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

You think Rico, I mean you do get a little bit of a picture of like maybe what happened in Dallas because maybe Dallas said we do want you back but we're going to put you in a committee and maybe he said I don't want to be in a committee. And then he had to sign a committee contract in Carolina and then became the guy and then he gave and.

[Jason Moore]

Then they put Javante in a non committee.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah, that is true. But just you know, he was lower in consistency than he was at fantasy finish because he had those three magma weeks, really five, six and nine. He has good games, 29%, 18% great, 35% bust. He was much better at home. Three 30 point games from week five through nine. It was insane. That was. Do you cash in on Rico? Do you not cash in on Rico in the trade market? And if you cashed in too early, you missed a couple big games but then you probably could have cashed in from week nine.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And you should have. He wasn't great down the stretch for fantasy or really in real life either. So going forward I think that he's not going to get the contract he wants or the opportunity he wants. He's a good player, he can move the pile, he can break a tackle but I don't think he's going to be very relevant for fantasy. So hopefully if you're in a dynasty league or Anything future you. You did cash in.

[Mike Wright]

He. I don't think he's a Panther. Next year.

[Andy Holloway]

Probably not. More interesting names, though, guys. Travion Henderson, Ramond, Ray Stevenson. Trayvon's 23 years old. Ramondra is 27. Trayvon ended at 18. Consistency rank of 28. Here's where you're going to get annoyed. Ramondre was 25. Consistency rank of 22 in the second half of the year. These two guys became the linchpins of the offense.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

And Travion was a consistency of nine in the second half. Number nine. And Ramon Raya number 11. And Ramondre missed some time. That's when you saw those big, big weeks. Trayvon had back to back running back, four overall weeks. You know, let's play.

[Mike Wright]

What a time to be alive.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's play the scenario out though. Super bowl champions, New England Patriots. What's the story for these two guys moving forward? It seems like they're both going to have a role.

[Jason Moore]

They will. Both. Absolutely.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a little Dobbins, RJ Harvey action.

[Mike Wright]

Hated this past week. Henderson had, I believe, four snaps.

[Andy Holloway]

Boy, was that just.

[Jason Moore]

He's too small for that weather.

[Andy Holloway]

Playoff trust. Was that a snowball game thing?

[Mike Wright]

I mean, that's what I'm saying. I don't. I don't know.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know how you can do playoff trust.

[Andy Holloway]

And it wasn't just that.

[Jason Moore]

He's been known for fumbling his entire career.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, but, but, but we've, we've said this before, like Ramondre is. Is known for doing the detailed work that gets a lot of praise. I mean, what was the snap count in the first playoff game for New England? Do you have that?

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to go try and pull it up.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, go take a look at it. Because I think it was mostly Ramon Dre then, too.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it has the.

[Andy Holloway]

So the playoff run has been. I'm just saying, like from a trust standpoint, it's been a lot of Ramon Dre.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I think playoffs have been reminded.

[Jason Moore]

What we're going to see going forward is going to be akin. We have previously and oftentimes talked about the Detroit Lions and how that David Montgomery, Jameer Gibbs situation.

[Andy Holloway]

I wonder if you bring that up.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, looks. And that's how I project it for next year. I don't think Ramon Dre is going anywhere or losing necessarily his role. But what we saw after Henderson had his breakout was that he's still clearly their more explosive back and they're going to give both of these guys a ton of work. I think next year you have Travion Henderson take more of the work than he had at the end of this last season. But not to the point where he's.

[Andy Holloway]

The guy in category.

[Jason Moore]

Exactly.

[Andy Holloway]

He wasn't drafted as highly as Gibbs was either and doesn't have quite the I would say versatility that Gibbs has now. So he'll have to develop. Maybe the off season will play a big role. I mean both guys, both guys showed.

[Jason Moore]

Up and they're, they're both going to be, you know, Ramondra is under contract. He's got a big boy contract I think for like the next two years. So he's not going anywhere. And Henderson obviously is the second round pick. Same.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Did you end up seeing what the.

[Mike Wright]

It's the pretty similar. And the week one the carries were similar. Ramon Ray was much better.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Yeah. Both, both of them are interesting. They have a role to play on the team. Sometimes that role I feel like Ramon Ray's role is less desirable for fantasy most often and yet it's necessary for the team. And then so he just represents this like clog stopping you from getting your sweet, sweet Trayvon points. I'm sure we'll talk about it a lot. Both of these guys had their games this year. Is this true? Ramondre let all running backs and yards per target this year? Crazy.

[Mike Wright]

Crazy because they kept scheming those where he's like open by 20 yards.

[Andy Holloway]

What is happening on this wheel route for Ramondre and he's doing it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'm just looking at game logs. A 55 yard reception, a 23 yard reception, a 36 yard reception, a 23 yard reception.

[Mike Wright]

He did it in the playoffs too. Which was the week. Week one again he was three for 75.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I'm also the shame this week because I bet against Ramon Dre.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Isn't that perfect?

[Mike Wright]

It's the long con.

[Andy Holloway]

I got a few more names. I'm just going to give you the results. Breeze was number 19. Consistency rank of 27. The Jets, I mean Breeze is going to find a new home too.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Someone will pay him and he'll be good for so.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, you got K Dubs, you got Breeze, you got etn. Those are the three big offseason and down and Javante. And Javante.

[Mike Wright]

Then down a tier I'd put Javante and Rico or Javante and then Rico.

[Andy Holloway]

RJ Harvey finished at 21. Consistency of 21. He is, I'll tell you this, I don't think, I don't think he has top 12 career potential. That's my thought of RJ Harvey. I don't think we're ever going to see the perennial RB1 of him. He slots into me as like RB2 territory for his career. And I know that feels like a. I mean, it is. It's a statement of his entire career, but it's like he. Something about him just seems okay.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I. His advanced analytics on the season, they're just. They're not great. And I think that. I think Dobbins is back.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, Dobbins is definitely. Yeah. Did you see his quote?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm a Bronco. They're thinking two, three year deal.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, he, he is going to be. Is. This will be a one, two punch next year. This.

[Mike Wright]

And this will probably be one of the ones where it's like, hey, here we have the. You have the timeshare. RJ Harvey's being drafted in front of J.K. dobbins. I'm probably going to take that J.K. dobbins dip because people will be out.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And I think they want to be in on Harvey.

[Andy Holloway]

I think Harvey's a good pass catcher.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he's going to have that role of the Gainwell role or the Swift, you know, inconsistency. Here's some Harvey numbers for those already yelling at the at the podcast. Among 55 qualified running backs with 80 plus rush attempts. Go ahead. 51st in percentage of runs stuffed at the line. 52nd in percentage of runs of 10 plus yards. 49th in rush success rate, 48th in yards after contact per attempt. That's what I saw. I saw a guy pretty darn capable in the passing game, but not a consistent runner. Occasionally a really good runner, but not a consistent runner. Seahawks running backs are 22, 23 on the season. Walker had five more fantasy points on the season than Charbonnet did. Consistency is even worse. 23 and 29. Walker at 29, inconsistency. That felt right.

[Mike Wright]

Walker had five more points with seven fewer touchdowns. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, you can't really argue with them when they're in the Super Bowl.

[Andy Holloway]

Nope. Nope. This is Ramondre and Travy onto a degree.

[Jason Moore]

But you also can't argue that Zach Charbonnet is healthy. He has a torn acl. I mean, they can't do it anymore. And what we've seen is Kenneth Walker taking over and being dominant. This is a situation where I am fascinated to see. I feel like the Seahawks have to bring Walker back now. They just have to. And they're going to have to Actually give him the ball, make him the dude to start next season. I think he'll be extremely valuable for fantasy.

[Andy Holloway]

I wonder how much money he's going to want, because obviously, depending on that, they could have the choice of bringing in an ETN to fill that role. They could. You know what I mean? Like, if Walker, because of his age, is more expensive on the open market and you've got those other five names I just mentioned, I just wouldn't be shocked if this. This general manager doesn't look at that aspect of it.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, he'll. He'll definitely. The thing is, is when you win a Super bowl, like, you always make.

[Andy Holloway]

The right move afterwards.

[Jason Moore]

You always just pay afterwards. You're the guys that got you there. The Joe Flacco, you know, won the super bowl, and it's just like, we got to keep it together. We got to pay these guys. I feel like sometimes you make mistakes when you win, and if so, if they win, I fully expect them to give him a ton of money and bring him back.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, if you're Walkers, think about being a human being. You just. If you. You went on a playoff run, you're getting all the work, so you're really happy about that. You're having success. And if you win a Super bowl with that team, you're going to want to resign with that team. But Kenneth Walker, go get that money.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, he will do that first. He will get the money first. And if the money comes from Seattle, maybe that's where he's at. On Thursday, we'll talk about the truth of the wide receiver position. So we'll dig in there. And I think I get shamed on Thursday, too. Is that right, Al?

[Mike Wright]

I think we're still. We got to figure it out.

[Andy Holloway]

That is correct. What do you mean, you got to figure it out?

[Mike Wright]

Well, there's no game this week.

[Andy Holloway]

No, there's no game. But anybody shaming him, if anybody gets shamed, it's me.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Thanks, Jared.

[Mike Wright]

That's true.

[Andy Holloway]

Thanks. Thanks, Jarrett.

[Mike Wright]

You have no one to blame but yourself.

[Andy Holloway]

It was a real Jason move, huh? Yes, it was a real Tommy Trimble move.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, I took a stidham.

[Andy Holloway]

That move.

[Mike Wright]

Which one?

[Jason Moore]

More than half an interception. It worked.

[Andy Holloway]

I thought he could get up over one. I thought it was a shoot.

[Mike Wright]

Did he only throw the one? Yeah, like the real egregious one.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the one at the very end.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. No, I thought he could get over 174 combined rushing and passing, and I was a fool. All right, we got to go. This show is over. Shotballers.com if you want a final chance at those limited edition fantasy football cards and we'll be back with another show on Thursday.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye Goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

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