The TRUTH: Second Tier WRs in 2019 - Fantasy Football Podcast

Summary

Podcast Summary: The TRUTH: Second Tier WRs in 2019

Podcast Information:

• Title: Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast
• Host/Authors: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
• Episode: The TRUTH: Second Tier WRs in 2019
• Release Date: January 16, 2020

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Introduction

In this episode of The Fantasy Footballers, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright delve into the performance and future prospects of second-tier wide receivers (WRs) from the 2019 NFL season. The discussion centers around player consistency, fantasy rankings, injuries, and how these factors influenced their fantasy football outcomes. The trio provides in-depth analysis, backed by statistics and personal insights, aiming to guide fantasy managers in making informed decisions for the upcoming season.

Overview of Second Tier Wide Receivers Analysis

The hosts begin by setting the stage for analyzing second-tier WRs, emphasizing the importance of consistency and reliability in fantasy football. They aim to uncover the "truth" behind players who may not have flashy statistics but offer steady production, thereby serving as valuable assets in fantasy leagues.

Key Points:

• Evaluation of WR performance based on consistency rankings.
• Impact of injuries and team dynamics on player performance.
• Differentiating between players who underperformed due to external factors versus those with inherent inconsistencies.

Player-Specific Analyses

Robert Woods

• Performance: Finished as the 17th wide receiver with a consistency rank of 13.
• Analysis: Despite a slow start, Woods became a reliable option in the latter half of the season. His consistent production made him a standout for many fantasy teams.
• Quote: "Are you through the course of the season before that injury, he was amazing." ([19:10])

Amari Cooper

• Performance: Ranked 20th in consistency with significant disparities between home and road performances.
• Concerns: High bust percentage (31%) raises questions about his reliability and injury management.
• Future Outlook: Potentially a top 12 WR in the next season if he maintains health and team dynamics improve.
• Quote: "I believe next year, Ryan Tannehill will be a top 10 fantasy quarterback." ([06:08])

Julian Edelman

• Performance: Ranked 10th with a consistency score of 8.
• Analysis: Despite battling injuries, Edelman maintained a level of consistency that kept him valuable in fantasy leagues.
• Concerns: Aging and possible decline in performance may affect future reliability.
• Quote: "He's a high draft capital player that's delivering on the talent." ([53:37])

Allen Robinson

• Performance: Ranked 11th with a consistency score of 17.
• Analysis: Allen showcased his potential but struggled with a volatile quarterback situation, impacting his fantasy reliability.
• Future Outlook: Dependent on quarterback stability and offensive strategies.
• Quote: "He's very much the definition of the target monster situation." ([33:06])

Mike Evans

• Performance: Ranked 12th with a consistency score of 12.
• Analysis: Evans had several standout games but also faced periods of underperformance, making his overall consistency moderate.
• Future Outlook: Remains a strong asset but caution is advised due to fluctuating performance.
• Quote: "He's always threatened to lead the league in touchdown passes." ([39:54])

Jarvis Landry

• Performance: Finished at 13th but with a consistency rank of 20.
• Analysis: Struggled with consistency, particularly in the latter half of the season, making him a less reliable option for fantasy managers.
• Future Outlook: Uncertain, with potential decline if team dynamics don't improve.
• Quote: "It's pretty fair." ([32:12])

Tyler Lockett

• Performance: Ranked 14th with a consistency score of 22.
• Injury Impact: Suffered a significant thigh contusion in week 13, affecting his performance and availability.
• Future Outlook: Remains a valuable asset if he regains full health and maintains his role in the Seahawks' offense.
• Quote: "I'm still on the locket side." ([44:27])

AJ Brown

• Performance: Ranked 15th with a consistency score of 30.
• Analysis: Despite a promising rookie season, Brown's high consistency rank indicates potential overvaluation and possible regression.
• Future Outlook: Expected to be drafted appropriately high but caution is advised regarding his long-term reliability.
• Quote: "I think he's the real deal." ([46:07])

D.J. Moore

• Performance: Finished at 18th with a consistency rank of 7.
• Analysis: Demonstrated significant improvement and consistency, making him a noteworthy sleeper pick for the next season.
• Future Outlook: Highly promising if the team maintains quarterback stability.
• Quote: "He was drafted to be this... that is the line and it's the truth." ([54:44])

Devonte Adams

• Performance: Ranked 5th in consistency despite missing numerous games due to injury.
• Analysis: When active, Adams was a top performer, but his overall fantasy impact was limited by injuries.
• Future Outlook: Expected to be a high-impact player if he remains healthy throughout the season.
• Quote: "Unless somehow you made it through to the playoffs and you had him great." ([52:27])

Conclusions and Insights

The hosts conclude that while second-tier WRs may not always appear in the top rankings, their consistency and role within their respective teams make them valuable assets in fantasy football. Players like Robert Woods and D.J. Moore stand out as reliable options, whereas others like Amari Cooper and Tyler Lockett require careful consideration due to injury histories and fluctuating performances.

Key Takeaways:

• Prioritize WRs who demonstrate consistent performance and have a stable role in their team's offense.
• Monitor injury reports and team dynamics to assess the future reliability of WRs.
• Consider the quarterback situation, as it significantly impacts a WR's fantasy potential.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Jason Moore ([02:52]): "Things that maybe they got off to a slow start this year, but then when you look back and you might have a negative perception of them..."

• Andy Holloway ([04:09]): "This really takes a look, you know, statistically at did they help when they were on the field and I did not."

• Jason Moore ([16:16]): "I want the truth."

• Mike Wright ([20:39]): "No, no. Plenty of teams made the playoffs with Woods. But that's, that's what I'm talking about."

• Andy Holloway ([23:13]): "I will be in on Amari Cooper this next year."

• Jason Moore ([33:04]): "He was a high draft capital player that's delivering on the talent."

• Andy Holloway ([46:24]): "He just dominated from that point."

• Mike Wright ([57:10]): "He has to have insane target volume."

• Jason Moore ([54:57]): "He's a high draft capital player that's delivering on the talent."

Final Thoughts

This episode provides a comprehensive analysis of second-tier wide receivers from the 2019 season, offering valuable insights for fantasy football enthusiasts. By focusing on consistency, injury impacts, and team dynamics, the hosts equip listeners with the knowledge needed to optimize their fantasy rosters for the upcoming season.

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

Foreignasy Footballers podcast coming to you from pristineauction.com studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome in.

[Mike Wright]

Another one of these, huh?

[Andy Holloway]

Hey.

[Jason Moore]

Thursday, January 6th 16th. Excited to be with you. Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike Wright, the fantasy footballers. Hey, it's 2020, Mike. It's time to get those 2020 teams ready to go. Mike, he can't handle some.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't like it.

[Jason Moore]

Some nuance with the welcome in from time to time.

[Mike Wright]

That's not nuanced. I'm following your lead. I thought you were taking us to the top.

[Andy Holloway]

You lead, we follow. Andy.

[Jason Moore]

So if I get you going, if I start high, you stay there.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. You're like, oh, I wound up this little toy and it went forward. Like, what do you. What do you think's gonna happen?

[Andy Holloway]

Don't wind them up.

[Jason Moore]

Show 851. Did you know that? Show 851, doesn't it feel like only about 8, 25?

[Mike Wright]

Not a day more.

[Jason Moore]

Not a day more. Welcome in. Look, this show exists to get your team ready to go and a big part of that is evaluating what happened last season.

[Mike Wright]

I hope you're ready to go right now.

[Jason Moore]

Trends, you mean for the upcoming season.

[Mike Wright]

Just tickled my Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Do you want to just take over or can I finish my sentences?

[Mike Wright]

On today's show, we're going to be talking about the truth of fantasy wide receivers, the second tier. Fellas, we made it through eight on Tuesday's show. What are you, a mime?

[Jason Moore]

No, I mean, I just doing what you're doing.

[Mike Wright]

Oh.

[Jason Moore]

Throwing my hands around. It's been a really good start.

[Andy Holloway]

These guys today are feisty.

[Jason Moore]

Feels like 890 shows, am I right? Yeah, Mike's right. We got the truth. On today's show, we're digging into some of the middle, middle tier, second tier wide receivers. We got through eight on the last episode. Breaking down consistency, scores, breaking down their fantasy finish. Home road splits, top defenses, bottom defenses. Talking about whether we trust these guys to be top finishers in 2020. Today's almost more interesting to me because you get into some of these names, players that either struggled with injury so they finished further down in the wide receiver rankings, but had good consistency when they played some of the wide receivers that, you know, maybe more decisions need to be made. You know, everybody knows Julio Jones is going to be a top receiver.

[Andy Holloway]

You should draft him. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You should pick him up.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. But there are a lot of guys that maybe they got off to a slow start this year, but then when you look back and you might have a negative perception of them, but you say they were actually very good for fantasy teams this season. The name that comes to mind, obviously it was a my guy. So it's a little, you know, little extra horse in the race. But like Robert woods, he got off to this slow start, seemed sucky.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

But on the season, you know, he was the number 13, most consistent. And actually, you know, we had him in League 1 and it, it was, it felt really nice to have Robert woods for the whole second half of the year.

[Jason Moore]

We did have, I guess that was a team that I think most people were disappointed with woods, like, they were probably just like he was just on the outside.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Looking in. Of that top 12 consistency, I think they were probably on the outside of the playoffs looking in.

[Andy Holloway]

But no, no. Plenty of teams made the playoffs with Woods. But that's, that's what I'm talking about. The whole point of this series of the truth is to highlight the things that our feelings might get in the way of the opinions because X, Y or Z happened in the playoffs or X, Y and Z happened at the beginning of the year or a guy was injured and so you just don't remember how things went. This really takes a look, you know, statistically at did they help when they were on the field and I did not.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I think with the Rams wide receiver specifically, there are some very big conversations to have about trusting them. We talked about Cooper cup on the last episode. Make sure you follow us on twitter@the ff ballers instagram.com fantasy footballers subscribe click the bell on YouTube. YouTube.com the fantasy footballers and the communities jointhefoot.com if you're looking to get into a new league, we've got foot clan only leagues. Great, competitive, committed individuals that want to find new leagues. Whether it's Redraft, Keeper, Dynasty, local online, all of [e-mail] I do have a quick question for you. Assuming Ryan Tannehill is back with the Titans in 2020 and we'll see how they do in the AFC title game this weekend. But assuming he's back, which is a fair assumption right now, Derek Henry, Ryan Tannehill pull up the Brinks trucks. They've already overperformed any expectation you could possibly have. Tannehill made a great decision to go be the backup for Marcus Mariota. You know, sitting down with the agent saying, where do I want to go where I've got a chance to get back into the starting, you know, lineup and then get a big Deal. He found it. Assuming he's back, though, he will be a top. What Quarterback? Where will he be drafted? How will he finish? How do you project him moving forward? So he obviously ended the year very, very strongly for fantasy owners.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Basically the entire season that he started. Of that stretch, he was the quarterback. 3. Now, a lot of that was giant big plays from AJ Brown that aren't necessarily repeatable, but that doesn't mean that they can't be repeated.

[Jason Moore]

Is A.J. brown still there?

[Andy Holloway]

A.J. brown is. Yes. That's my point. And he's going into year two. He should get better, not worse. But there will be arguments made against Tannehill because of the passing volume and, you know, the touchdown percentage and things like that. But I believe next year, Ryan Tannehill will be a top 10 fantasy quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

Top 10.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, I don't think that's a stretch. He was way better than that when he was there this year. He runs the ball a little bit, enough to be relevant for fantasy and has some great weapons now in the passing game.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I. Saying it's a stretch. Maybe not a stretch. Saying the names out loud. The other quarterbacks, that's where it's tough for me. Whether you take them over, you know, Tannehill over them. I mean, I can't see myself getting there. Lamar Jackson. Stop me when you would take Tannehill over them. Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, okay. All right.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Whether, you know, fantasy finish wise.

[Mike Wright]

We're not talking about just where they finished. This is not a draft. This is.

[Jason Moore]

This is. Just stop me when. When you'd rather have Tannehill than this player. Okay. Lamar Jackson.

[Andy Holloway]

Nope.

[Jason Moore]

Patrick Mahomes.

[Andy Holloway]

Nope.

[Jason Moore]

Dak Prescott.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Deshaun Watson.

[Andy Holloway]

Nope.

[Jason Moore]

Josh Allen.

[Mike Wright]

No. No. Give me Josh Allen.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Aaron Rodgers. Yes. Kyler Murray.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Matt Ryan.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Give me Matt Ryan.

[Jason Moore]

Russell Wilson.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Give me Russell Jameis Winston.

[Mike Wright]

Assuming Winston is back with Tampa Bay, give me James Winston, Carson Wentz. I'll take.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll take Wince.

[Mike Wright]

I'll take Tannehill.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. So I. Yeah, maybe. Maybe he gets there for you.

[Mike Wright]

Right on the fringe for me.

[Jason Moore]

I think he's just on that QB12 fringe for me.

[Andy Holloway]

The nice thing is where he's drafted will certainly not be there because the names that you brought up are bigger names. I mean, Baker Mayfield could end up being drafted ahead of, you know, of running Tannehill, and, you know, who knows what happens with the guys coming back like Cam and Big Ben Goff, Kirk Stafford. There are plenty of guys that could go ahead of Tannehill, he. You know, him and Fitz Magic, assuming he's back. Those are like my two early favorite. Early, late round, you know, early season, late round draft picks at quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

It's not fair because of how consistent Tannehill was at the end of the year, although we didn't get a whole season. But I want a team who can't win without the quarterback performing in a big way.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. That would be certainly not 10L.

[Jason Moore]

That'll be the argument against. But, you know, 12 to 15 range seems safe and with high upside. We saw it this past year. All right, before we get into the rest of the truth about fantasy wide receivers, we got some business to attend.

[Mike Wright]

To.

[Andy Holloway]

Beat the Ballers, presented by Monkey Knife fight.

[Jason Moore]

All right, beattheballers.com is the address. We're playing a fresh round of playoff fantasy [e-mail] heading into the AFC NFC title games. Here is what happened last week.

[Andy Holloway]

We don't need to talk about that.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, we sure do. Because I had to. I had to deal with this last week. Let's start, though. Let's start at the top. Mike had Devonte Adams, Aaron Jones, Tyler Lockett.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Mike beat all but 15% of the listeners that beat.

[Mike Wright]

Not. Sorry.

[Jason Moore]

So that means that only 129 users beat all three of us and split that $2,500 pot. I had. I beat 74%. Mike beat 84%. I beat 74%.

[Mike Wright]

Whoa, whoa. 85.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you. Okay. You are correct.

[Andy Holloway]

And I made sure you all got another chance to play for free.

[Jason Moore]

Jason, he beat 1.8%.

[Andy Holloway]

My stupid tattoo.

[Mike Wright]

Read your lineup. Read your lineup.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, my lineup was Raheem Mostert and George Kittle and Dalvin Cook, three really good players who combined to be less than most other teams. Single best player.

[Jason Moore]

I just want you to feel this. 830 of our listeners beat you 830 out of what seems to be about 840. But again, a reminder, if you beat all three of [e-mail] you win a share of a $2,500 price pool. You get two entries into the Ballers bowl, which is fast approaching. Yeah. You get a $10,000 prize pool in that one. If you beat two of us, you get a free $10 game entry and one entry into the Ballers Bowl. And if you beat Jason, or you get a.

[Andy Holloway]

Last week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, or me last week. I know. I'm just. I got to enjoy it while it's not me.

[Mike Wright]

So this week, just fantasy wise, real quick Like Mostert. I just wanted to have a quick conversation about it because it just happened. This is why during the season.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Like I.

[Jason Moore]

You never bought.

[Mike Wright]

I can never, ever get into Raheem Mostert, Even though I'm 100% in on the talent. I think he's a freaking good running back. But, like, you know, do you guys realize who started that game?

[Andy Holloway]

Moster.

[Mike Wright]

Matt Burrida. Matt Burrida was the first running back. He did and he had the first carry. Not that whoever starts finishes the game. But that's the point is like people are going to be clamoring like I guarantee over this offseason that out around the industry people are going to be say over he. Mostert. Mostard is. This is my really. I guarantee this is going to happen.

[Jason Moore]

I don't guarantee that.

[Mike Wright]

I just can't get on board with it.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you just make three lineups and you just pick one with Coleman, one with Breeda, one with.

[Mike Wright]

You know, one of them's going off when you.

[Jason Moore]

Kyle Shanahan zags.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And that is the fear. And that is why Breida represented in the offseason. To me such a great value is simply because of the variable of look game plan.

[Mike Wright]

And then Mostert kicked open the door.

[Jason Moore]

Who brings him coffee in the morning first? Is that what it is? It's like when he opens his door, which running backs holding the Frappuccino.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And which what level? Like, he's got the Frappuccino. Someone's got like a steak.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I'm in the mood for the steak today. All right, you're starting. But this week, same story. We're each picking three lineups. Now, there's only two games to be played, so we're going to be sharing a game. But same story. You beat all three of us. You win a share of the $2,500 prize pool. Beat the ballers.com my three guys this week. I'm going. I'm jumping into the San Francisco packers game. I'm going to go George Kittle.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

He's going to treat me nicer than he treated Jason. I'm going to go Devonte Adams.

[Mike Wright]

You have to.

[Jason Moore]

And then I'm going to go with Debo Samuel. Debo Samuel against Green Bay.

[Mike Wright]

So you are bypassing all running backs.

[Jason Moore]

I am. I am choosing not to Mostert.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, you're choosing not to. Aaron Jones as well.

[Jason Moore]

That's true. San Francisco showed me so much against Dalvin Cook last week. I don't want to see Aaron Jones struggle for nine for 19. I think Debo is more interesting to me in this matchup. I love his involvement. I'm going Debo Adams, Kittle, Aaron Jones.

[Andy Holloway]

Has plenty, plenty of bust games when we get to the truth series on running backs, he's not beyond. He's not a safe play on a weekly basis. And yeah, Dalvin Cook, who I thought was safe last week, he was taught something. However, I think lineups that do try to guess the right San Francisco running back, if you get it right, they're. They're going to dominate here. So I went with the other game, the Kansas City, Tennessee game, because I wanted Derek Henry. I'm like, okay, I get. I get Derek Henry. He's on lockdown. You're going to have to beat me with two other people. And I went Kelsey, because he's just been too unbelievable. If Tennessee is playing, man, I think that Kelsey will be great.

[Jason Moore]

3 Unbelievable this past week.

[Andy Holloway]

And so then it's a question of where do you go from there. I think Damian Williams is kind of the bell cow right now. You go back and look at his last few games.

[Jason Moore]

What do you have, like one yard rushing in that game?

[Andy Holloway]

Didn't even. Well, I mean, they were down 24. Nothing. The run was gone. It evaporated.

[Mike Wright]

He also had three touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So Damian Williams, I am choosing to trust him, which has not always worked out along with Kelsey and Derek Henry. And I just want the record to show I got those in before you. Mike. You did so well.

[Mike Wright]

I don't have those three.

[Andy Holloway]

That's true. Because you have to pick a different three.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, well, I do I.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Can you pick the same exact three?

[Mike Wright]

What if it's the best three? And I'm looking Aaron Jones because I wanted to note, since you made such a statement, Jason, he has what, five bust games? Is that what we're looking at with Aaron Jones? That'll be interesting to talk about him because he's been so sensational. But I have two thirds of Jason's team. I have Derek Henry, I have Travis Kelsey, and I went with Tyreek. I'm going to pivot away. When I last looked, the. This Tennessee Kansas City game had the higher over under. So that's why I decided to pick three out of that. And then I couldn't take Damian Williams because Jason clearly loves Damian Williams.

[Andy Holloway]

How dare you?

[Jason Moore]

This week.

[Andy Holloway]

This week.

[Mike Wright]

Nice.

[Jason Moore]

If you beat.

[Andy Holloway]

I love him for fantasy.

[Jason Moore]

If you get beat by 830 people.

[Mike Wright]

With Damien Williams, 3% of people, it would be nice.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, based on history, Andy Was the punching bag week one. I was this last week. Mike, it's your turn. Unfortunately, we. We share a lot of the same.

[Mike Wright]

Well, if we were going with those trends. I've beaten more people each week. That was a terrible.

[Jason Moore]

At the end of the sentence.

[Mike Wright]

That was terribly articulated. But I beat you.

[Jason Moore]

Doing real well today.

[Mike Wright]

I beat a higher percentage of people the weeks. The second week.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my goodness.

[Mike Wright]

Move along.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Nothing to see here.

[Jason Moore]

Beat the ballers.

[Mike Wright]

Hey, 1.8.

[Jason Moore]

Let's get back into the truth.

[Andy Holloway]

You want answers?

[Jason Moore]

I think I'm entitled.

[Mike Wright]

You want answers?

[Jason Moore]

I want the truth.

[Andy Holloway]

You can't handle the truth.

[Jason Moore]

Can you? Hand your mug over to Jason. I want him to sniff.

[Andy Holloway]

What?

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Jason Moore]

All right. We're back into the truth. We talked about the top eight finishers at the wide receiver position on Tuesday's show. So if you missed that, go back and take a listen.

[Andy Holloway]

Kind of. We kind of do that. No, we kind of talked about the top eight wide receivers for our consistency chart, because technically we omitted the number one most consistent wide receiver for 2019.

[Mike Wright]

Which, because he played one game.

[Andy Holloway]

Antonio Brown had no bus gift. 100% good games in his single game for the Patriots. We thought that should not be in there. But I, you know.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I mean, give a man his dude, like, the last game of his career, you mean?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I think traditionally in statistics, they kind of. There's, like, a minimum required. I'm sure there's some running back in history whose only carry went for 43.

[Mike Wright]

Yards and a touchdown, and he never played again.

[Jason Moore]

And.

[Andy Holloway]

And he's not credited with the most yards per carry in the history of the NFL.

[Jason Moore]

And AB Is busy with other things. He doesn't need an award. We won't get into that.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Jason Moore]

All right. As a little bit of a reminder, we break down how many times these guys finish with great games, which is more than 22 points. That's top five weekly. Finish on average, break down how many good games they have. That's 10 points or more, top 24 on average. And then how many bus games do they have? And that's talking about games that really, really hurt you as a fantasy owner outside the top 50. On average, fewer than seven points. And we don't count missed games. So if you're injured and nobody started you, that's not being factored in when we look at how consistent you were as a player, because nobody was making a decision that week about you. And so that's how we break it down. And we left you just kind of Tantalized with the reality that Mike plus breaking down Amari Cooper was on the way. It's been a very interesting year to hang with Mr. Cooper.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And I still think it's interesting. Like I think you, I think you can take a, a victory lap, Mike, in a way. But I still think that there are question marks around Amari Cooper. But let's just break it down, get your take and then share our opinions. But in 16 games he went 79 for 11, 89 and eight on 119 targets. He finished at nine in terms of fantasy points at the wide receiver position. But his consistency rank was 20, 20.

[Andy Holloway]

That's not good.

[Mike Wright]

20.

[Jason Moore]

He also had absolutely crazy splits when it came to home and road. Like at home he, he averaged 17.94 fantasy points. On the road he was 7.94. So that's a 10 point difference.

[Mike Wright]

Not, not just that, but defenses. When he was playing a top defense in the top passing defense in the league, he was averaging under 10 points a game. Meanwhile, when he played the bottom half teams, he beat him up with over 15 points a game. No one has, at least as far as I'm looking at our doc here, no one has splits that are these outrageous and like of the things that I guess you could say it's predictable, you know, when Amari Cooper is going to have a good game, is he at home, is he playing a bottom half defense? Then okay, then I'll play Amari Cooper. But his bust percentage of 31% you have to go all the way down to wide receiver 14 before you see a single other wide receiver who busted more than 25% of the time. And I will take the victory lap because what we. I don't get everything right. But in the offseason the entire argument was Amari Cooper will finish as a top 12 wide receiver, but he's just so inconsistent and he busts all frequently, far more than the other guys who will finish at the top. And I can't give you a definitive answer why it happens.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, so I get all that, but this is the truth. We're trying to figure out why, because you saw that before the season and it 100% came true. However, through the first 10 weeks of the season, he was the wide receiver. Three was extremely consistent. Only one bus game through that. It basically was not a tale. So much of all these, you know, splits we're talking about so much as in the beginning he was great and then in the end he was terrible and he was injured. So I mean that's where when I look at Amari Cooper, I feel like the truth might actually just be the consistent first, you know, eight or nine games where he looked phenomenal because the second half of that year he looked like a hobbled mess on the field.

[Jason Moore]

This. Yeah. And I think that's kind of my question back to Mike will be he was inconsistent by his fantasy, you know, consistency ranking. But this was not the roller coaster of up, down, up, down. This was like you're riding high and then there are no tracks on the second half of this entire ride.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

And that being said, injury has been a factor for Amari Cooper previously in his career, even dating back to Oakland days dealing with playing through, showing up in injury reports. So I kind of look at it like you're going to have to factor that into his future predictability as well. Can he stay healthy and if he's hurt, is he going to try to play through it? Because he was out there as a distraction half the time, couldn't jump.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And I get it.

[Andy Holloway]

I was.

[Mike Wright]

I saw the same thing as you guys. But both Amari Cooper and the team, at least to this point, I don't know if that has changed, but they. They stood fast with saying Amari Cooper is not hurt. They were saying he was playing and he was perfectly fine. He was not.

[Andy Holloway]

I remember when people said that about Todd Gurley, but then, I mean, we all knew the truth. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

But let's think about the two outcomes as you guys predict. Amari Cooper, outcome one, he moves on, he goes to another team, and then you've got the variable of does he fit, does he not? But the other option, the more likely option, especially if Dak gets paid money, is Amari Cooper's paid a ton of money to come back to Dallas. And then you have to judge whether or not you're going to get that wide receiver production, that Wide Receiver 3 production moving forward on a big money contract is the centerpiece of the offense. It seems likely the narrative for Cooper will be you are the centerpiece of the offense in the passing game next year. Now what do you do? Fantasy owner.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So I'm curious. I will be in on Amari Cooper this next year. I believe it was mostly injury, but, Mike, are you going to have the same stance you had coming in because you were proven right and you've got a career of him finishing well but hurting your fantasy team. Are you. Is he on your, like, no Mike list?

[Mike Wright]

More than likely. I don't know what his ADP is going to end up. But you have five years, five years of seeing Amari Cooper do these things where he can be, he could be one of the best wide receivers in the NFL and then just vanish. And for the draft price that I imagine Amari Cooper is going to cost, since this is basically what he was costing last year, then, yeah, I'm probably on the out list for Amari Cooper.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, well, there you have it. The definitive answer from Mike Wright with.

[Mike Wright]

A word probably thrown in.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

All right, number 10.

[Mike Wright]

Sorry. Is the quick note on Cooper. Did we bring up that he. That Gallup only had six fewer targets than Amari Cooper?

[Jason Moore]

We did not. But you have now but six fewer.

[Mike Wright]

Targets and Amari Cooper or Michael Gallup played two fewer games.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Is that at all concerning? I mean, because those, those are not. Those aren't alpha level numbers. I mean, you certainly could have Amari Cooper and Michael Gallup both be great wide receivers for fantasy football. I mean, it happens every year. You just saw it happen with Tampa. Just was. It was just curious if you're reading anything into that.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And I. And the truth is, is I don't know what the injury truth was from weeks 11 on because that affects your targets too. Is he out there playing that? You know, I remember when Calvin Johnson got hurt and he Played three or four games, just kind of running routes, not receiving targets, but trying to take away defensive, you know, attention. I don't know if that's too, you know. I think Michael Gallup's a good player.

[Mike Wright]

How many rounds after Amari Cooper has been drafted, will Gallup be drafted?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, several.

[Andy Holloway]

A significant chunk of your draft. Gallup will come much, much later.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would tend to agree, but maybe that. That's an interesting thing to look at moving forward. Maybe that's one of those situations where, you know, obviously Galladay was a lot better than Marvin Jones.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

But how do you look?

[Jason Moore]

Where's the value?

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

The last six games, Amari Cooper was on pace for 106 targets versus 126 those first 10.

[Mike Wright]

So not that different.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Julian Edelman finished at number 10, the dentor of hoods. Yes. Yes. Busy this offseason. I wonder there'll be any consequences there. The Patriots wide receiver was the number eight overall in terms of consistency. You know, this is a pretty good year for Julian Edelman. 56% of the time he had a good game that 10 or above. 19% great. 19% bust. You know, fantasy owners will probably remember weeks 15, 16 and 17 the most.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Which he was not worth playing.

[Andy Holloway]

He was extreme. I mean, this is another Amari Cooper situation. Except even with the injury, in those last three games, he was still pretty consistent. But those last three games, if you weren't watching, he was, you know, coming in and out. He is not the same. His snap count was down. He was clearly very, very injured. If you were to take those three injured games out just to see what he was through the course of the season before that injury, he was. Our consistency score would be number two. He was so good all year, so consistent. He never really, you know, let you down because he was. They're just, you know, Tom Brady didn't have anybody step up in the passing game outside of Julian Edelman.

[Jason Moore]

From weeks five through 14, he was the wide receiver three in half point scoring. Most of the years that Julian Edelman has been out there, he's dealt with some sort of injury for some duration or period of time. Adam Schefter reported this year, he played most of the season with partially torn rib cartilage. Oh, he's just a guy that really. It's a credit to him, but a negative at times in fantasy. A credit to him that he always. He just puts his body on the line on every play, plays as hard as he can, but he's also not 25. And he's reaching the point in his career where I really question, you know, when is the shoe going to drop? What's happening with that offense that slowed down over the back half? What's happening with Tom Brady? Let me ask you this, is this, you know, he's going to be 34 years old next year and when it stops, it just stops. And with this offense, are you drafting Julian Edelman to be a top 10 wide receiver next year?

[Andy Holloway]

No, but.

[Mike Wright]

No, but I don't think you've ever had to draft him to be that.

[Andy Holloway]

No. Whenever you have aged possession receivers a la Larry Fitzgerald and Wes Wilker back in the day and Julian Edelman, the.

[Jason Moore]

Last seven, even like Emmanuel Sanders in.

[Andy Holloway]

Denver for a while, when you have older possession receivers, nobody wants them in fantasy drafts. I think Julian Edelman will be a value this year. Assuming Brady is back. You know, he's not going to cost much. I don't even. I would be surprised if he's drafted as a top 20 wide receiver because as soon as the time rolls around when everybody's talking about drafts, it's all upside. It's all new hotness, new breakouts. You know, that is not what Julian Edelman represents. He in no way shape or form represents some guy that we think is going to have his career best year this year.

[Jason Moore]

He's just not they also the hard part is New England can't go into the season with the same weapons. You know, part of what happened with Julian Edelman is you brought it up. He was the only guy that could do anything to kill. Harry was hurt. He didn't even get an opportunity to mature in the offense until the end of the season. All their tight ends were gone and you didn't have anybody else step up and play a big role. So I wouldn't be surprised if they try to take some of the load off this guy who played hurt as the focal point of the offense. 153 targets. I'm going to take the under next year by a significant amount.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean that.

[Jason Moore]

You guys seem to be on the other side of the fence on that.

[Andy Holloway]

I definitely think he will be the dominant one and I believe most of the core will be the same. I mean Nikhil Harry will be better. He'll be around. He'll hopefully not be injured to start the year like it was this year. They traded for Muhammad Sanu who then got injured. He should be around. I think the core stays the same. They could really use some tight end help. But I think the connection over you know, the eight years playing together with Edelman isn't going to be replaced by. By someone they bring in.

[Jason Moore]

Now, apparently, on the night he was arrested, he was hanging out with Danny Amendola, Low health meter. And Paul Pierce.

[Andy Holloway]

Paul Pierce on the Truth episode, no less. We're getting this coming out.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, very nice.

[Mike Wright]

See, I was going to go with the health choice.

[Jason Moore]

No, Jason's is better.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Allen Robinson came in at number 11, and that feels perfect to me. It really does. He had a consistency rank of 17, but he played all 16 games. 98 receptions, 1147 and 7 on 154 targets. That was the third most targets, by the way, at the wide receiver position. Not surprised with this man, a quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

Seriously? Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, great season.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, it is not fair. What is. What Alan Robinson has had to endure, have you heard, is not fair.

[Jason Moore]

It's pretty fair, man. It's pretty fair. They pay him a lot of money. He chose this life.

[Mike Wright]

That's fair.

[Jason Moore]

You know what I'm saying?

[Mike Wright]

I get that he chose this one.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

But to have started your career with Blake Bortles, then he tore his ACL going into the contract year or in his contract year towards acl. So, yeah, he took the money from the Bears, but I'm sure the contracts weren't what they should have been. I'm with Jason. It's just. What could Alan Robinson have been if he was drafted to a team that actually had a stable and good quarterback?

[Jason Moore]

It's. It's hard to really say. I mean, the number that you would think changes a little bit would be the touchdown number because he is so capable. But when you're getting 154 targets, almost 100 receptions over 1100 yards, Trubisky targets.

[Mike Wright]

I feel like you have to.

[Jason Moore]

Well, he's got the fifth best contested catch rate.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man.

[Andy Holloway]

So good.

[Jason Moore]

Which is that Trubisky target is the contested target. That's what he specializes in.6 most air yards. A little bit better at home, a little bit worse against actually against top 16 defenses.

[Mike Wright]

So Alan Robinson was super interesting this past offseason because I remember just every time we would bring him up, it's like, man, I. I just don't know what to do with Alan Robinson because he is so good as a player. He didn't really do anything in that first year except for you had like the monster playoff game. And Trubisky is Mitch Trubisky. I feel like, though the answer is this. He's. He's like a fringe top 12 wide receiver because his talent overcomes. As long as he remains the like this, the target monster for Chicago.

[Jason Moore]

He's very much the definition of the target monster situation. He is a go to receiver, He's a third down receiver. And if you look at his season and you try to find the truth, he succeeded fantasy wise once the offense could move with some other weapons. When Anthony Miller was developing into a weapon, when Montgomery was having slightly more success. Weeks 12, 13, 14, 15, those are really, really nice weeks for Allen Robinson.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, so here's the one thing that I do want to point out and maybe caution us a little bit on is just the fact that those weeks when that run was happening and his target volume is really the crux of what helped him is we brought it up with Anthony Miller a lot, was how much he was advantaged by Taylor Gabriel being out. But they lost Trey Burton, they lost Taylor Gabriel and yeah, Anthony Miller.

[Mike Wright]

Did they lose Burton?

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

Burton lost himself.

[Mike Wright]

He's been gone for a while.

[Jason Moore]

Health wise, nobody's found him.

[Andy Holloway]

Actually target wise, that just meant that it was pretty much those two guys, Anthony Miller and Alan Robinson, soaking up all of those targets. You know, he got.

[Jason Moore]

What was his target pace though between first and second half? Because I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same or close to it because it felt like he was the only guy for the first half. And then Anthony Miller finally showed up and actually demanded some targets. And I guess Gabriel had a run for a little while in the middle of the season.

[Andy Holloway]

So he was on pace for 142 targets through the first eight.

[Jason Moore]

So it did go up on pace.

[Andy Holloway]

For 166 through the second half of the season. But he is good. And the question is, can things get better?

[Jason Moore]

Top 12 next year?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

What do you think?

[Andy Holloway]

No, I don't. I don't think so. I'm just not going to rely on Mitchell Trubisky supporting the top 12 quarterback back to back.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

I think, I'm not saying it can't happen. I think Alan Robinson is talented.

[Jason Moore]

Would you rather have Allen Robinson or Kenan Allen next year? Those guys seem like. And would you. Would you be comfortable with either one as your one?

[Andy Holloway]

I would be confident with neither. Neither one as my one.

[Jason Moore]

He said that in such a funny way. Like I would be confident in neither.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

But very positive denial of both.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Thank you. Since both of those guys have terrible quarterbacks, I would go with Alan Robinson.

[Mike Wright]

Who'S a better quarterback. Jason, career wise, definitely.

[Andy Holloway]

Philip, this is the best question.

[Mike Wright]

Stop it.

[Jason Moore]

That has ever happened.

[Mike Wright]

Answer the question. Yes, this year, who's a better quarterback, Philip Rivers or Mitch Trubisky? For fantasy in real life, you have.

[Jason Moore]

To pick one of them.

[Mike Wright]

Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, gosh. This is the.

[Jason Moore]

Philip Rivers.

[Andy Holloway]

It is Philip Rivers.

[Mike Wright]

I understand he hurt you tremendously, but he's still like he's his. He has hall of Fame numbers.

[Andy Holloway]

Is Philip Rivers right now.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

By a slim margin.

[Jason Moore]

I hope these two guys compete for like the conference title next year.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not worried.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, look, it's Mike Evans. Mike Evans comes in at number 12 with a consistency rank of number 12.

[Andy Holloway]

Super consistent there.

[Jason Moore]

13 games played, 67 for 11, 57 and 8 on 118 targets. Panic in the streets, weeks one and two.

[Mike Wright]

It's a weird season.

[Jason Moore]

Mike Evans is back. Weeks three and four. Oh, wait, Chris Godwin's the guy. Week five. Oh, wait, Mike Evans, the guy with six.

[Mike Wright]

Is that the goose egg?

[Jason Moore]

It was. Oh, man, 23% of the time, which is a pretty high number. He had a week winning week. He had multiple number one overall performances. He had a number two against Seattle, weeks eight and nine. He was the best wide receiver in football 46% of the time. Good games. He did bust 15% of the time. It was odd. It was strange for a team that passed that much. You would think Mike Evans of all people could come down with it. And he took advantage of bottom 16 passing defenses. He scored an extra, what, the gap was 6.39 points between top 16 and bottom 16.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, this is.

[Jason Moore]

It was a weird year for Mike Evans.

[Mike Wright]

Weird.

[Andy Holloway]

The meh games were plentiful for him. The games were. He didn't bust and kill you. Now, he did that a couple times like a goose. But he had a. He had a handful of those games that were meh. And the way that our scoring system works is that those really great games are factored into consistency as well as well they should be because you know that that pretty much helps your team when a guy has these big blow up games. But Mike Evans did enough this year. There were. There were so many targets going around from Jameis to those two wide receivers where both were absolutely excellent. But the question was asked last episode, would you rather have Mike Evans or Godwin going into next year? I think Andy and I, we disagreed. I was on the Godwin side. Where did you land?

[Jason Moore]

I'm on Godwin's side.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you are?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I am. With the, with the volume, the 67 receptions this year. I know he missed three games. I'm going to lean Godwin.

[Mike Wright]

It's tough not to lean Godwin. I mean we're in recency bias. But.

[Andy Holloway]

Are we just going to take whoever cost less?

[Jason Moore]

The truth is that Mike Evans was far less consistent. That's the truth.

[Mike Wright]

He was. And it's what was nice about Tampa Bay. I mean a breath of fresh air was like this was the Bruce Arian system. Just look at the Arizona Cardinals and just copy paste that over to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers when he moved. I mean you need to throw in a few more interceptions because that was what they had to deal with with Jameis. But I mean Chris Godwin was Larry Fitzgerald where Larry was left for dead by most of us. And then Bruce Arians comes in and turns him right back into a thousand yard wide receiver because he's the slot guy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean Evans is always a threat to lead the league in touchdown passes.

[Mike Wright]

Right?

[Jason Moore]

He's always threatened to. What did I say? Passes. Yeah, not helpful. Not helpful. Yeah. And touchdown catches. You know, not necessarily going to be a volume guy the way Godwin is. So I'm going to side on that consistency.

[Mike Wright]

I'm still into Evans so please don't hear that. I'm. Yeah, this is anti Mike Evans at all. But when you're constructing your team so.

[Jason Moore]

How do you look at them compared to like the Digs Thielen situations of years past where you're like, do you just take the better draft value?

[Mike Wright]

Man, I think it's different.

[Jason Moore]

Godwin in the second versus Evans in the third. Well, so I feel like they're both just going to end up second round picks probably.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, in the past I was always Adam Thielen over Diggs.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Because I wanted the targets. So it's a very, very similar situation. But here there's more passing volume than what you're going to have in Minnesota. So I would rather have Godwin over even what I thought of adam Thielen.

[Jason Moore]

Number 13 was Jarvis Landry, believe it or not.

[Mike Wright]

How did he do that?

[Jason Moore]

Number 13, 83 receptions, 1174 yards, six touchdowns on 138 targets. His consistency rank was actually 20th though, so finished at 13 less consistent than that finish at number 20.

[Mike Wright]

Ooh, he's tied with Amari.

[Jason Moore]

Really atrocious start to the year. Look away, don't glance at those numbers. But yeah, they, you know, from week nine on wide receiver three.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, they. Because they made the switch.

[Jason Moore]

What was the switch?

[Mike Wright]

They realized that Jarvis was the wide receiver one on the team. So then they started treating him accordingly.

[Jason Moore]

Five more targets than Odell Beckham Jr. Do you think that's what it was or was it just. I mean, the offense as a whole started getting it together. Odell Beckham. The injury news started coming out. There were only 38% of these games where Jarvis was good, 19% great, 19% bust. Like I would say, you weren't really. You weren't happy with committing yourself to Jarvis Landry during the season?

[Mike Wright]

No, I don't think you were at all.

[Andy Holloway]

This shows. We talked about this on the last episode. You should go back and listen. But Jarvis illustrates how bad it was for wide receivers this year because usually the wide receiver 13 is a guy that really helped your team a significant amount. And I don't think Jarvis was looked at this year. You know, imagine like we said last year, the top nine scorers would have been better than the number two score this year. Doesn't Landry feel more like the wide receiver 20?

[Jason Moore]

He does. Or lower.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. And so, you know, I do think that the very beginning of the season, they were focused on Odell Beckham.

[Mike Wright]

I looked at the target split is negligible. It's about a half a target a game more in the second half. Just the touchdowns the touchdown started started to come for Jarvis Landry. One in the first half of the season and then five over the second half.

[Jason Moore]

They had a much better second half as an offense. I mean, the first eight weeks you were a disaster if you put Jarvis Landry into your lineup, you know, going into next year. I can't imagine preferring Jarvis over Beckham because the upside, Beckham could represent. If I can get Beckham as my wide receiver too, instead of Jarvis, I mean, yeah, I would take that shot. We've seen what, seven, eight years of Jarvis Landry. It's not a bad life to live, but it's not a fantasy championship life very often. It's.

[Mike Wright]

He has to have insane target volume.

[Jason Moore]

All right, I'm going to give you a couple more names and where they finish, what their consistency rank is. But I want you guys to bring up some deeper wide receivers that we can highlight here. Lockett finished at 14. His consistency rank was 22nd.

[Mike Wright]

However, is there an injury for Lockett that I'm forgetting?

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

When did that happen?

[Jason Moore]

I believe that was week somewhere in the. It was the. It was the thigh contusion, if I zone, if I recall. Really bad thigh contusion. I think it might have been week 13.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah. Okay. All right. It's coming back to me.

[Jason Moore]

So it wasn't the majority of the season, but it was. It was a portion.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, the second half of the year is his chart is just looks.

[Jason Moore]

Like Rutherford Wilson's chart a little bit.

[Mike Wright]

It does.

[Jason Moore]

So you've got Lockett and the question of, you know, are people going to go Metcalf over Lockett next year? I'm.

[Mike Wright]

I'm still on the locket side.

[Andy Holloway]

I think I've made the switch to Metcalf. I think I've made the switch just because I want to keep.

[Jason Moore]

The fact that discussion tells me I want the lower the player that goes farther down in drafts. The fact that it's a discussion at all tells me I'm not going to spin up for the top one. I'm going to take the second option.

[Andy Holloway]

Or does it say you should grab.

[Jason Moore]

Neither, because that's also an option I will avail myself of if the low.

[Andy Holloway]

Passing volume desires of the Seahawks are now split more. You know, I love Tyler Lockett coming into this year because it seemed like it was his show and I believed in Russell. But if it's no longer his show and there's two great options to throw the ball to, that might be good for Russell.

[Jason Moore]

But don't forget who's coming back and bad for both.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no.

[Andy Holloway]

Big Montana.

[Jason Moore]

He'S coming back.

[Mike Wright]

There's no way. There is no way.

[Jason Moore]

He's already practicing. A.J.

[Mike Wright]

Brown houses. That's how he trained.

[Jason Moore]

That's Montana Strong. A.J. brown. I love the people that don't know you're talking about Will Disley there. That would be. That's the highlight there. AJ Brown finished at 15, believe it or not, which is absolutely crazy. He almost finished as a top 12 whiteout. His consistency rank was 30th. I throw that one pretty much into the garbage can.

[Andy Holloway]

His consistency rank. Once Ryan Tannehill took over from week seven, he was number nine.

[Jason Moore]

That one matters to me.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

That's pretty darn good as a rookie to come in have a top 10 consistency score. You know, he won people titles.

[Jason Moore]

So will he be overdrafted next year?

[Andy Holloway]

He will only be overdrafted next year if he's not the real deal. And I believe he is the real deal. So no, I don't think he'll be overdrafted. I think he'll be drafted appropriately high.

[Jason Moore]

I got a little juju. Juju.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe an early my guy candidate worries.

[Mike Wright]

Oh man.

[Andy Holloway]

Stay healthy, Tannehill. I don't need any of this backup nonsense.

[Mike Wright]

It is very impressive when you look at his consistency over Those final games. And it, there's a very clear indication by the team that they committed to him. In week 10 when they played Kansas, he shot up from the 60 percentile of snapshot up to 94. And this, this is when he took over and they said, okay, A.J. brown, you're our dude. And for fantasy purposes, I mean, he just dominated from that point.

[Jason Moore]

I think he's going to be overdrafted.

[Mike Wright]

I think it's very possible because it's. This is.

[Jason Moore]

He's. This, he's the next year's. He's the juju.

[Mike Wright]

I don't look at him as juju, but I look him. He's like Lockett and Metcalf where he's, he's on a team where they're very, very content if Ryan Tannehill throws 120 yards a game, like they're happy, they're ecstatic. And that's, that's tough. I know he was, he was awesome during that, in the, the final stretch of the year, but can that work for an entire season? Can, can you capture the magic that he had and the, and the magic that Ryan Tannehill had?

[Jason Moore]

It'd be nice to combine DJ Chark's first half and AJ Brown's second half. DJ Brown, because DJ Chark finished at 16. Consistency rank of 32. The back half, the injury, the quarterback tumult, it led to basically a disaster second half for him. And he was a great story from the first half of the year. From weeks one through 11, he was the wide receiver five. You know, is he better? If Gardner is the future there. We have so many question marks, but Marone is back.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. We're going to get a new offensive coordinator.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. John DeFilippo. Congratulations. You're fired again.

[Andy Holloway]

Good job working.

[Mike Wright]

They've got an opening in Minnesota.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, goodness.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that's funny.

[Jason Moore]

That's not going to happen.

[Andy Holloway]

Please.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Go save Thielen and Diggs.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I, you know, it's hard. He's certainly the wide receiver. I would take over any other Jacksonville wide receiver.

[Mike Wright]

No question.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. So when it comes to DJ Chark, who had a big blow up, monstrous performance, comes onto the scene and says I'm the real deal and is the clear target leader there on a team that will probably pass more, although they do want to be a running team first, Compare him to A.J. brown. Who do you have more confidence in next year, DJ Chark or AJ Brown?

[Jason Moore]

AJ Brown.

[Mike Wright]

AJ Brown.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, so we're all in agreement there.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Not a ton, but in Brooks is reminding us as well that once week 12 hit, he had that ankle injury where it was, you know, if you remember, he's not going to play. And then he did. And it was both AJ Brown pushing.

[Jason Moore]

Through it and DJ Chark. Look, this was not just anomalous, this was talent. This was right. Go watch the film. Watch them compete for the ball, you know, with. When it comes to A.J. brown. Look at what he does after the catch. Look what he does. Such a on breakaway, plays for DJ Chart. What he does on contested catches, DJ Chart. Devontae Parker. Probably the two most impressive contested catch guys that I saw on film from last year in terms of certainly the most surprising, consistently competing at the point of the catch. Physical freaks, you know, both of them.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, they are.

[Jason Moore]

DJ Shark is huge. So I'll be, I'll be interested in him next year. Robert woods, you brought him up at the beginning of the show. He finished at 17 at the position 90 for 1,134 yards to touchdowns, which we can talk about 139 targets. His consistency rank was actually 13th and from week 10 on he was very, very, very good and very consistent on a team that didn't have that on the offensive side of the ball very often. So first half of the year, wide receiver 40. Second half, wide receiver six, first touchdown. Guess when it came, it's like week 14 or something. 14.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, boom.

[Jason Moore]

Nice consistent home road splits. Consistent top, bottom defense splits. You know, Robert woods is a very good player.

[Mike Wright]

That's what he is like. When I think of Robert Woods, I literally the first word that comes to mind is he's consistent.

[Jason Moore]

I agree with that. And he's who I like as a two.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, totally. I felt really stupid at the beginning of this year because I, I was very demonstrative saying he was the number one target for Goff, that he's the first read and that first month he was not the first read. Everything was his best friend, Cooper cup. And then you started to see it though the rest of the year. So going into next year, who do you expect to have more targets?

[Jason Moore]

I'm not going to choose that way for next year. I'm not going to be looking at who's the number one target for Jared Goff, because I don't think the answer is one name. I think his games is Tyler Higby. One game, it's Cooper Cup. One game, it's Robert Woods.

[Mike Wright]

One game, Higby is going to be total targets.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know.

[Mike Wright]

I'll still take woods for that?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I mean cup is the younger player. Cup is still, believe it or not, you know, he's one year off of the ACL last year. Did that wear down over the back half of the year? I don't know. It's certainly not good. I won't. I'll tell you who I won't pick and it won't be Brandon Cooks.

[Andy Holloway]

That's fair. That's fair. Okay, here's a name we need to bring up. If we can we skip around a.

[Jason Moore]

Little bit, we can skip all over the place.

[Andy Holloway]

So devonte Adams crushed people in fantasy this year. Nobody who had devonte Adams was happy. I can attest as devonte Adams owner, unless somehow you made it through to the playoffs and you had him great. But for the most part, you know, the first nine weeks of the season he had two decent games, bad games and missed the rest. But the majority of those were games he missed, he didn't play. And our consistency metric takes those games out because obviously he wasn't in your lineup. But when he played, how was he? And he was phenomenal. He was our consistency rank number five. He was very, very good. And you've seen it in this playoff stretch. Yeah, he is the clear number one. His targets will be there, the touchdowns will be there. He's usually the guy that's up there in the high double digit touchdowns and that wasn't happening.

[Jason Moore]

He's probably my wide receiver. Three for next year.

[Mike Wright]

I was going to. He's probably my 2.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he should be.

[Jason Moore]

I mean I'll take Michael Thomas and DeAndre Hopkins and then I'll go Devonte Adams. I'll do that before Chris Godwin or you know, any of these other guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, certainly there with, with Julio. I mean he. We can't forget about devonte Adams.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

And this consistency rank helps illustrate how good he was. That's, that's the point. The truth is devonte Adams still was awesome this year. It just didn't help you for fantasy because of his injury.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah. He had kind of the ping pong beginning of the year and then the injury and you were off to the races on your disappointment. And that could blind you from how good he was. D.J. moore finished it.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's what I want to talk about.

[Jason Moore]

He finished at 18, but his consistency rank was 7. 87 for 11, 75 and 4. I think people will forget how good he was this year. I think maybe that'll work to their advantage depending on their quarterback situation for next year. But it's important to know he only scored four times and DJ Moore ending up at number seven consistency wise with just four touchdowns, that's hard to do.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

That means you're the centerpiece of the passing game and it means that there's some positive regression possible for the talent level of D.J. moore. You know you talk about four touchdowns for him, two for Robert woods, both of those guys. You know, I look at more in the six touchdown range, so.

[Mike Wright]

And he finished at wide receiver 18 and he didn't play the final two games of the year. I mean technically he was in week 16, but he got that concussion right away and which sucked for fantasy championships. But wide receiver 18 in just 14 games, I mean that's very impressive. The I'm all in the breakout was real for DJ Moore. Just hope that the, the, the connection for Cam Newton, who I'm projecting to be their quarterback next year can be there like it was this past year.

[Jason Moore]

To use a Jason Morrism.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, be careful. These are something dangerous.

[Jason Moore]

Something he would use about a certain cold blooded individual before. But I'll apply it here. He was drafted to be this. That is the line and it's the truth. He's a high draft capital player that's delivering on the talent.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's great.

[Jason Moore]

Would be nice to get more boom games which might mean Cam Newton needs to be behind center.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you're not going to score as many touchdowns with a bad quarterback as you will with a good quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

Ah, you're welcome in edits. Oh, you were calling for it.

[Jason Moore]

Other players that you guys want to bring up. Tyreek Hill, who was Last year's number one overall fantasy wide receiver, finished 30th this year because of the injury. But was number 11 inconsistency. Another player that will be. It's hard to look at Tyree Kill going into next year. I mean, are you taking Chris Godwin over Tyree Kill? Because I probably. You know, then you're talking about is Hill at top. So if it's a no, then Hill's like at five. Yeah, he's at four or five.

[Andy Holloway]

When, when, when we were talking about Devonte Adams and saying he's in that Julio range. Tyreek was the name that came to mind.

[Jason Moore]

You're taking Adams over Tyreek?

[Andy Holloway]

I will Adams over Tyreek.

[Jason Moore]

That's that whole passing volume argument. Aaron Rodgers. Do we want to run the football? Do we want Mahomes to throw the football? I think that those. That's a really good debate. Hill versus Adams next year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Then the last wide receiver that I want to highlight, I don't know if there's any other names for you guys, but John Brown, why he finished at wide receiver 20, somehow comes in here at consistency rank number 10. Because the guy was just, he was just always there in this, living in this very nebulous place of like he can go off, he's not busting. What do you make, Jason? What do you make of John Brown's season? He had a thousand yard season. He had six touchdowns. He's the number one guy for Josh Allen.

[Andy Holloway]

I, I think what I make of it is that they will definitely bring in another wide receiver because they utilized him as their number one and he was okay. And if I've Learned anything from AT&T commercials lately, okay is just not okay.

[Mike Wright]

Dude, the great commercial, the, the Solari guy who he changed, he had to change his name.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Funny story, dude, that, that kills me every single time. That guy is very good spot. So good.

[Andy Holloway]

I prefer the doctor. Hey, guess who, Guess who's back. Well, not officially. Yeah, hashtag not a sponsor.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah. So I want to bring up a early my guy candidate for next year that I think people. He finished at 49.

[Mike Wright]

Ooh, spicy.

[Andy Holloway]

Dante.

[Jason Moore]

But he was. It's ironic, it's the same team. He was the wide receiver 7. The wide receiver 7. From week 10 on. The undervalued, underappreciated Debo Samuel over the back half of the year. He was incredible. And I don't know if you have consistency numbers for a second half, Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I can.

[Jason Moore]

Because when you look at the rookies, A.J. brown or, you know, Debo Samuel, I don't care that much about looking at the total landscape of the year because these are players developing into roles, opportunities. But Debo was just plain great from week eight on.

[Andy Holloway]

He would have been our consistency metric. Number four. From week ten on, number two.

[Jason Moore]

Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So it's a good name to throw out there.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think people know that.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't do now.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I don't think people are aware of that. I wasn't aware of how good that was over the second half. Emmanuel Sanders might not be back. Kyle Shanahan led offense. Debo makes big plays, takes into rounds. I'm gonna be very excited about Debo next year.

[Andy Holloway]

Certainly. He's very talented.

[Jason Moore]

He not as excited as Brooks about Dante Pettis, but close. Right, Brooks? Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

You want to hear a wild number? A wild one though, for Debo?

[Jason Moore]

Wild one.

[Mike Wright]

Wild one.

[Andy Holloway]

Wild car.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, is this like a target Number or something.

[Mike Wright]

Well, this is. Yeah, but nine targets inside the red zone. Only one red zone. Touchdown. Let's go like that.

[Jason Moore]

Let's go, Debo.

[Mike Wright]

That is where you find positive regression, because that's definite insane. Number.

[Andy Holloway]

And I love how he is used in the screen game and the handoffs. This is part of what I loved about Robert Woods, DJ Moore, those type of players where they're. They're more consistent because some of their targets are manufactured. It's not all downfield. Some of it is near the line of scrimmage. And they're just great yak masters. You know, where they can. They can make stuff on their own. And as an offense, if you're in a game where you're struggling, those are the plays you call.

[Jason Moore]

He's being used like a healthy Percy Harvin.

[Andy Holloway]

Right? Whoa.

[Jason Moore]

I know.

[Mike Wright]

Careful with that name around here.

[Jason Moore]

I know.

[Mike Wright]

Careful with that name because you miss him. Yes. And just what Percy Harvin could have been. I know, because the injuries.

[Andy Holloway]

But.

[Mike Wright]

And the. It's all narrative. You know, it's talking head stuff. But when they are talking about how Kyle Shanahan. Why did they draft him? Because they were looking for a man. We need to find us a man. With the old fashioned man. We found him. Debo Samuel's a man.

[Andy Holloway]

The only reason. Look, I don't know if you saw that, but when that happened, he just said that. And then he.

[Mike Wright]

And then he was a man.

[Andy Holloway]

And that. No. And then he turned and looked right at Dante.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

For 45 seconds. And then he came back and said next question.

[Jason Moore]

And Dante Pettis didn't see him because he was coloring his hair.

[Andy Holloway]

The truth is.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I like his hair.

[Andy Holloway]

I do, too. And I love Dante Pettis.

[Jason Moore]

Focus on the. Make the main things. The main things. Color your hair after you catch like five passes in a row.

[Andy Holloway]

But they did. Kyle Shanahan wants a tough green. He wants a man. I mean, now you're a man.

[Jason Moore]

Look, he met George Kittle and he wants a bunch of them.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

That's what he wants.

[Andy Holloway]

And that is the opposite of what.

[Jason Moore]

Don, have you seen George Kittle on the sidelines literally cutting down trees?

[Mike Wright]

He's Paul Bunyan. I was going to say he's Paul Bunyan.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

But he's a real person.

[Jason Moore]

You look over there and he's doing both sides of one of those saws where he cut the tree down. He's managing to do.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

George kills the freaking man. And that's what they drafted. I think Deebo's a very interesting guy for next year.

[Mike Wright]

Very, very interesting. I agree.

[Jason Moore]

In fact, just this conversation makes me think about I've got him as a keeper decision.

[Mike Wright]

Wow.

[Jason Moore]

In one of my leagues that I didn't even think about him earlier on. So. We want to thank Pristine Auction.

[Mike Wright]

You missed, man.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I know, man. There was a man on my bench, man. Yeah. Want to thank Pristine Auction and Amari Cooper. Mike, you can get in on this. And Amari Cooper signed jersey yesterday.

[Mike Wright]

I did not pay more than $20.

[Jason Moore]

It was $49.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's fine. That's. That's still a pretty good.

[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

Almost. Hope you enjoy the championship round. See you next week. Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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