Fantasy Football - The TRUTH: WRs Part 2 + Big Game Bonanza - Podcast for 2/3

Summary

Fantasy Footballers: "The TRUTH: WRs Part 2 + Big Game Bonanza"

Date: February 3, 2026
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike “The Fantasy Hitman” Wright

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Overview

In this episode, Andy, Jason, and Mike dig deep into the “Truth” about wide receivers—specifically WRs #11–25 from the 2025 season—emphasizing consistency, ceiling, and disappointment. The trio weave their trademark humor with sharp analysis, exploring player values for both redraft and Dynasty leagues. They also touch on significant NFL coaching news and Dynasty implications for several positions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NFL News and Coaching Carousel

Timestamps: 07:20–14:00

• Clint Kubiak to become Las Vegas Raiders’ new head coach after the Super Bowl.
• Mike LaFleur is now the Arizona Cardinals head coach, bringing optimism but tempered by franchise challenges. (Jason: “I am optimistic. I think in the end…” 09:47)
• Declan Doyle to Ravens as OC, Sean Manion to Eagles as OC (surprising the crew).
• Minor dynasty tidbit: Devonta Smith vs. A.J. Brown struggles with Philly’s OC turnover.
• Stefon Diggs and Bills' changes: Carmichael in, but Joe Brady will call plays.
• Chase Brown’s possible extension and what it means for Dynasty managers.
• Other news: Vikings fire GM unexpectedly, Cousins likely to be cut by Falcons.

2. Wide Receiver Truth: Digging Deeper than Year-End Rankings

Timestamps: 26:48–68:00

Setting the Stage:

• WR scoring was generally down in 2025; only 58% of targets went to WRs, a seven-year low. Fewer big plays made for less fantasy excitement.
  (Jason: “Fewest 20 plus air yard touchdowns over the last seven years. That's not fun.” – 28:52)
• Great/Good/Bust games for WRs are broken down: “Great” = 20+ pts, “Good” = 12.5+, “Bust” = <7.5 (half-PPR).

Wide Receivers 11–25: Consistency, Ceiling, and Dynasty Thoughts

Cortland Sutton (WR11)

• Consistency fell off in 2nd half: Hot start, but after Week 7, was just WR22 in consistency.
• 30 years old; may be overtaken by youngsters like Troy Franklin and Pat Bryant. (Andy: "No one after WR6 feels like they were any good…You weren't really thrilled with anyone on this offense." – 29:46)
• Dynasty angle: Age and competition make him a tough sell.

Tee Higgins (WR12)

• True to his brand: Productive when healthy and with Burrow/Flacco but always some risk.
• 11 TDs in 15 games, but injury and “what could go wrong, did.” (Jason: “The story with Tee Higgins is he’s always very good when Joe Burrow is there.” – 35:04)
• Dynasty: Still tempting if healthy, but downside is real.

Michael Wilson (WR13)

• Became the consistency king in the second half with breakout after Week 11.
• Outscored almost everyone but Puka after his breakout, benefiting from Marvin Harrison injury and Jacoby Brissett’s volume passing.
• Caution: Probably not sustainable with MHJ’s return and new coaching. (Andy: “He had the second-most points behind Puka Nakua [over that stretch]. …What happened at the end is probably not repeatable.” – 38:15)

AJ Brown (WR14) & DeVonta Smith (WR21)

• Both hurt by Philly’s offensive mess. Nearly identical stats, but Smith had way more bust weeks (59% of games under 7.5 points).
• Jason sees a future where Philly may try to move Brown, making Smith more intriguing in Dynasty. (Jason: "He's either on this team for one more year, or no more years." – 50:20)
• Noteworthy: Surprising that Goddard had 11 TDs.

Tetaroa McMillan (WR15)

• Solid rookie year but not a superstar breakout; closer to Drake London’s trajectory than a Jefferson/Chase/Puka type. (Andy: "Tett McMillan, to me, is a great wide receiver. He is what we hoped." – 53:17)
• Dynasty play: Belief in talent, but depends on Panthers’ offense improving.

Wandale Robinson (WR16)

• Quiet compiler, helped massively by target vacuum after Neighbors injury. (Jason: “Only three wide receivers with 140 targets and 90 receptions in each of the last two years: Jamar Chase, Amon-Ra, and Wandale Robinson.” – 56:07)
• Better schemes let him operate beyond just screens; "Let him run, Dale Rundale Robinson!"

Drake London (WR17)

• Stats hurt by injury, but on a points-per-game or consistency basis, still a Top-10 WR when healthy. (Andy: “Drake London is a great player. He's the clear number one for a team without a number two.” – 59:41)
• Dynasty: Still very young and has WR1 upside.

Stefon Diggs (WR18) & Emeka Egbuka (WR19)

• Diggs felt irrelevant all season—value was more accumulation than consistency or ceiling.
• Egbuka’s early-season flash faded; tough dynasty valuation with WR competition in Cincy.

Other Noteworthy WRs

• Justin Jefferson (WR25): Played all 17 games (!), but finished with more bust weeks than good ones due to QB disaster. “He crushed people.” (62:20)
• Rashee Rice (not in official rankings discussed, but flagged): Consistency monster when given a starter's workload, but usage and future role up in the air.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Dynasty Tight End Rankings Pains:
  -"People don’t understand the amount of pain it brings us to do rankings… We have to move guys like George Kittle to places we don’t like."
  — Jason Moore (05:03)

• On Arizona’s Hire:
  -"I’m optimistic. I think in the end... but you’re not normally for Arizona. You’re happy too, bro.”
  — Jason Moore (09:47)

• On Michael Wilson vs. Marvin Harrison debate:
  -"I would rather have Marv."
  — Andy Holloway (41:05)
  -"Help me with the intellectual inconsistency of that though.”
  — Jason Moore (41:06)

• On Wandale Robinson’s Transformation:
  -"Let him run, Dale Rundale Robinson. Let’s go.”
  — Jason Moore (58:50)

• On Justin Jefferson's Nightmarish 2025:
  -"You would think that a randomly thrown pass… he would get him one. He had more bust games than good games."
  — Jason Moore & Andy Holloway (63:01–63:16)

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Key Timestamps for Segments

• 07:20 – NFL News and Coaching Hires Rundown
• 26:48 – The Truth: WRs Part 2 Discussion Starts
• 29:42 – Cortland Sutton deep-dive
• 34:22 – Tee Higgins analysis
• 37:10 – Michael Wilson, breakout and value
• 46:17 – A.J. Brown & Devonta Smith (Philly mess)
• 51:32 – Tetaroa McMillan’s rookie comp
• 54:48 – Wandale Robinson consistency revelation
• 59:22 – Drake London as a quiet dynasty buy
• 62:18 – Justin Jefferson’s disastrous finish

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Tone & Style

• Bold, humorous banter laced with honest, sometimes brutal, fantasy truth (“No one after WR6 feels like they were any good.”)
• Willingness to debate: especially over WR valuations (Wilson vs. Harrison, rookie projections, dynasty strife).
• Fan-centric authenticity: Self-deprecation on rankings misery, tough love on GM/coach firings, pride in calling breakout players.

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Summary Takeaways

• 2025 was a “down” year for wide receivers, with low ceilings for many (outside Top 6, lots of frustration).
• Value at WR was driven more by volume and games played than high-upside splash weeks.
• Dynasty values in flux: especially with coaching shifts (Cardinals, Raiders, Bengals, Eagles), and with aging guys like Sutton, Diggs, A.J. Brown.
• The “Truth” episode delivers essential context behind the WR rankings—helping managers parse who to trust for 2026 drafts and Dynasty moves.
• You don't want to get caught up in just the finishing numbers—dig into consistency and role!

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For more details (and the laughs), see full episode and consult the Ultimate Draft Kit on release!

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome in. Welcome into the fantasy footballers podcast. Jason Moore, Mike Wright, Andy Holloway. What a day to be here with you talking fantasy ahead of the big game.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

Just a big game has. Does anyone have a trademark to like the biggest game or the bigger game?

[Andy Holloway]

Does anyone have the big game trademark? Because then they'd be like, nah, look into all three.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

For how much?

[Jason Moore]

No price has been disclosed.

[Mike Wright]

What about bigger game and biggest.

[Jason Moore]

Well, you look into it. We own a lot of unnecessary domains, Mike. You can get any of them that you want.

[Mike Wright]

I would consider all of them very useful.

[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

We were so early on Christmas. Football dot com.

[Jason Moore]

We have Tuesday night football dot com. Yeah, I think we probably have Wednesday night football dot com.

[Andy Holloway]

There's a good chance I'm on it.

[Jason Moore]

Like if we go through another pandemic, we've got all the days that they're going to be playing football on lock.

[Mike Wright]

That's right.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome back into the show. The truth bad news.

[Andy Holloway]

We do not. We do not have Wednesday night football.

[Jason Moore]

We have Saturday night football probably.

[Mike Wright]

How about Halloween football?

[Jason Moore]

I don't know, man. We're losing them all right. By talking about it.

[Mike Wright]

Our top men on to be secrets. Oh.

[Jason Moore]

Don't have business meetings live at the top on air at the top of the show. Look, I'm excited. We do have the super bowl coming up and we've got the truth episodes. The final two episodes this week. Somebody nod at me?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, that's correct.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

The first part of the Dynasty pass will also launch on Sunday. So that'll be available if you've got the UDK plus or if you're an Ultimate Foot Clan member.

[Mike Wright]

You already have it.

[Jason Moore]

So that'll be ultimate draftkit.com on Sunday and the Dynasty Pass immediately available. We've been in our Dynasty Startup rankings, talking through all of those.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

It's not easy.

[Mike Wright]

No, it's not. In Andy, we had the same problem. Jason, you were. You were not in the room. We. We got to the point of the tight ends and we're like, George Kittle.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man.

[Mike Wright]

What do you.

[Jason Moore]

I just kept clicking the down button.

[Mike Wright]

What do you. Possibly because you. You have to call. You got to call your shot one way or the other. Either he's like a screaming value because he can return from an Achilles injury at post 30 and be a dominant tight end or. Or he can't as the rest of the people who have torn their Achilles, like where they just go way down in fantasy value.

[Jason Moore]

It.

[Mike Wright]

It is so I don't think the.

[Jason Moore]

People understand the amount of pain it brings us to do ranking.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

This is hard work. We have to move guys like George Kittle to places we don't like him. In Dynasty, when you get older, you get it moved down even though we respect you.

[Mike Wright]

He's under contract for four more years.

[Andy Holloway]

Four more years.

[Jason Moore]

And then you clearly Isaiah Likely or George Kittle in a Dynasty startup.

[Andy Holloway]

I would. I knew you'd pause.

[Mike Wright]

Likely's free agent.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So he, like, he might be a boat, but George. Oh, no, no. You'll have to check with the rankings.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, it's tough when you think like even worse, like, like a fellow older tight end like Dalton Schultz, like buried right. Like Kittle's career could be pretty much fantasy wise over if it takes him, you know, three quarters of the year to get back and not ever himself this year. Oh, yes.

[Jason Moore]

Theo Jones.

[Andy Holloway]

If you're in a Startup draft, you're gonna.

[Jason Moore]

You would take Theo Johnson, Meowson Taylor.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, stop it. Oh, maybe. No, I don't know. But that's why I said stop it.

[Mike Wright]

Stop it. First stop, Terrence Ferguson. Respect, man.

[Jason Moore]

This is the fun of Dynasty and the challenge of Dynasty rankings.

[Andy Holloway]

You can see where our George Kittle spot lands on Sunday.

[Jason Moore]

With weeping and gnashing of teeth, he.

[Mike Wright]

Will be the only player listed as between rank 5 and 25. Yeah, just somewhere in there.

[Jason Moore]

Those injuries are tough. They're tough. But that's all coming on Sunday. And we do offer a preorder discount. If you are a member of the Foot Clan, you get a discount on top of that. And obviously if you're an Ultimate Foot Clan member, you just get access on Sunday. Nothing more to buy. We appreciate each and every one of you supporting the show. You can find us over on X at the FF Ballers where we've always been. You can find Jason at Jason FFL, Mike at FF Hitman. I'm at Andy Holloway. The community [e-mail] and you can watch the show every day. YouTube.com/the fantasy footballer. Subscribe, click the bell and let's jump into the news.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league.

[Jason Moore]

Alrighty. The Raiders. I'm going to share their news first because they made the news first. Clint Kubiak, after he completes his potential super bowl victory with the Seahawks, will become the next head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders. The next head coach of Fernando Mendoza, Brock Bowers and Ashton Genti. He's done a masterful job. Seattle will have gone through three offensive coordinators in three years, but it looks like Clint Kubiak is going to take over.

[Mike Wright]

This is why you're, you're, your head coach should be the offense. It's, it's very tough to have something like, like Seattle next year. There will be massive questions about their offense because it's not, it's not strange to have a team dominate like they are. They lose their oc, someone else comes in and you're like, oh, they're not even close to as good.

[Jason Moore]

You know, it is weird because we're going to talk about another situation that's similar but different.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I was going to say, I think now you're starting to see if you've got a great offensive head coach. You could still lose your oc. I mean, obviously the next piece of News is an OC for Sean McVeigh leaving. But I guess, Mike, you're saying your office doesn't take as big a hit when the main man in offenses.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's. That's the weird thing. So Michael Floor is going to be the new head coach of the Arizona Cardinals. The final hire of the head coaching positions that were open. He's unique in the sense that, well, one, Liam Kong, Kevin O' Connell and Matt LaFleur all were the offensive coordinator for Sean McVeigh, and he's really the one. You don't have a loss in Los Angeles because McVeigh is calling place.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

But these guys have all gone on to great success. Kevin o', Connell, obviously, in Minnesota. Liam Cohen, amazing year so far. Or had the amazing year with Jacksonville and was great with Tampa Bay. And they. Matt LaFleur in Green Bay now, Mike LaFleur, his brother, the LaFleur Bros. Al Borland and his packers and us. Arizona, pretty much the same story. Franchises, yeah, pretty much identical. You got Jonathan Gannon now. We did a. We got like. We're just interwoven.

[Mike Wright]

We're like the same.

[Jason Moore]

You have more rings. Anyways. Mike lafor new head coach of the Cardinals. Jason, you've done a deep dive here. You're kind of optimistic.

[Andy Holloway]

I am optimistic, I think in the end.

[Jason Moore]

But you're not normally for Arizon. You're happy too, bro.

[Mike Wright]

This is what. This is what we wanted from the beginning.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. From the.

[Mike Wright]

We had to hold it back because I didn't think it could happen.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, everyone else got hired and he was still there and he's like, ah, okay, I'll take the job. Wait, you're going to give me five years? Because I'm not coming unless you give me five years. Okay, you give me five years. Which they did. I. In the end, it won't matter. The Arizona Cardinals are broken from the top.

[Mike Wright]

It, however, could matter.

[Andy Holloway]

I do think that Michael Floor is a good both. I mean, Kubiak and lafleur. My tweet from the beginning of the coaching cycle when Gannon was fired, my tweet that I keep going back to over and over and over, was any lafleur, any Kubiak, any Harbaugh. That's all I wanted. Give me any of those brothers.

[Jason Moore]

Harbaugh went to New York, Kubiak went to Las Vegas, and we got floor.

[Andy Holloway]

Left over the baby lafleur. But, you know, I really do like when you have. This is not someone without play calling experience. Right. Like, Mike LaFleur was already an offensive coordinator for the jets, where he called the plays. Those offenses were bad, but those offices were Zach Wilson offenses. And whenever Zach Wilson missed games, their offenses were great.

[Jason Moore]

You shared it. Michael Flores. Jets offenses when they did not have Zach Wilson were top five in most statistical categories. As long as it wasn't Zach.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Wasn't that like Mike White?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, it's not like they have a quarterback plan in Arizona. So maybe they roll Kyler Murray, maybe they trade him and draft someone or bring in the new New York Jet Joe Flacco who was there with Mike LaFleur. But yeah, TBD on the offense. I do think that this is a very good hire.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'm kind of excited for both. Like maybe we were a year early being excited for Las Vegas and maybe we still would be a year early with Mendoza being drafted and all the, you know, challenges of being a rookie quarterback likely to start week one. But there's more optimism there with Genti Bowers and Mendoza as a core to build around.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

And you mentioned Arizona gave Lafleur 5 year deal. It reminded me of when Detroit gave Dan Campbell a six year deal. We all were blown away by it. But it's a commitment to developing a team and an offense over.

[Andy Holloway]

It's also the punishment for being a terrible franchise for a long time. Like Detroit was in the doldrums. They're like, we'll give you a six year deal. Just come and so yeah, I'm thrilled.

[Jason Moore]

Cardinals got to be paying like seven, eight coaches by now. Ravens hired Declan Doyle to be their offensive coordinator who will call plays.

[Andy Holloway]

That's another OC leaving under a head coach that is the offensive mind. Ben Johnson loses his first piece.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, but it's Ben Johnson. So right now Declan gets to go call plays for the Ravens. Could be interesting. Sean Manion, the new offensive coordinator for the Eagles, but they also hired another one in Josh Grizzard so that they have two.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, no, no, no. Grizzard was hired as the passing coordinator. But he sure the wink wink as he was the OC for the Bucks. I just can't believe that we are doing this show where Sean Manion is now a head coach because I remember Sean Manion's rookie year in 2015 for the Los Angeles Chargers. We talked about him on the show when they drafted golf and the like.

[Mike Wright]

You were calling for golf to be benched?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. For Sean Manion, dude. I mean that was a, that was a running bit for a couple of years of just believing that Sean Manion was one of the best quarterbacks in the league. And now the fact that he's just too good.

[Jason Moore]

Him and Trask. Right.

[Andy Holloway]

You're a big Trask guy, just wait till he's an O.C. man. But this, this is so interesting to me. And we will see. I don't think this was on many people's like bingo card of like, which OC is going to get which job. I didn't hear Sean Manion's name anywhere.

[Jason Moore]

Well, a lot of coaches turned down offensive coordinator in Philadelphia as well. That's been troubled. By the way, you want to know another dynasty rankings challenge? Devontae Smith and A.J. brown.

[Mike Wright]

Uh huh.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I can tell you right Now, I have Devontae Smith ahead of A.J. brown.

[Andy Holloway]

A.J. brown is very tough.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Sean McVeigh less need. The Rams said, hey, you almost made it to the Super Bowl. Here's some more years and some more money.

[Andy Holloway]

This is great, great news for Pukinakua. We've been talking about on the Dynasty show of like when you, when you rank these top guys, right, it's usually is Jamar Chase, it's jsn, it's Puka Nakua. But it's like Puka always had the. Still has the giant red flag of Stafford. Stafford is old. You're going to lose Stafford within Puka's career, obviously. But if you lost Stafford and McVeigh at the exact same time, which I think a lot of people thought that might be the way it goes. Just when you lose your quarterback, you smoke bomb as the head coach.

[Mike Wright]

Right. I gotta take some time, you know, go do TV for a year, find a team that's got a quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

It is the better approach. Like for. It's such a better approach.

[Jason Moore]

It's a great approach. But it's. It was always funny with McVeigh because he's so young.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

Like if you talk about all the historical things you can build up as a head coach, like it was just like the retirement conversation just kept happening for him, for Aaron Donald, for Matthew Stafford for years. And then now he signs an extension. So there you go. The Vikings fired their general manager because. Whoopsies. We did not.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

We did not keep Sam Darnold. We did.

[Mike Wright]

There was the big quarterback. Whoopsie.

[Jason Moore]

This one.

[Mike Wright]

It's still weird. Didn't he just get an extension last.

[Andy Holloway]

Year because he had what, a 14 win team with Sam Darnold and built.

[Jason Moore]

A doe foam insaw.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I don't. This one's weird.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Maybe this, maybe this is just it. And they were like, dude, how do you. How did you screw up the Sam Darnold thing? Which I. That had to have been a team effort.

[Andy Holloway]

The rumors it takes.

[Jason Moore]

Takes a village to blow that well.

[Andy Holloway]

So part of it wasn't necessarily a team effort. Some of the reporting that has come out after the firing has been basically that this was the GM's decision to move on from the veterans and to draft the rookie. That LaFleur was more in the camp of keeping Darnold. But it wasn't just Darnold. OConnell O'. Connell.

[Jason Moore]

Sorry.

[Andy Holloway]

O' Connell was. There's a lot of Leflore talk today that he was more in favor of keeping Darnold. And then you had Daniel Jones there, too. And so you had other options on the roster. But even then, it's like, I actually think they would have been okay with Carson Wentz. Like, you lost a lot of quarterbacks here.

[Jason Moore]

Do you know what's so funny? The parallels. We were talking fantasy, right. We're talking NFL News. And it's fun to, you know, the hindsight is 20 20, right. Sam Darnold arrives, they're in the Super bowl two straight years dominating. You know, what was on their mind wasn't the 14 win season, it was the playoff collapse.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Which was wrong of them to prioritize, that it seems. But what's funny is the parallels to, like, we do this in Dynasty. We have a team that's performing or a team that's playing well, and then we get a little greedy with. Man, if I could just get a few years younger at quarterback or a few years younger at running back. I mean, sometimes that happens in Dynasty where you. We say this all the time. Don't just play for tomorrow when you've got the bird in the hand that led you to a championship game. Maybe run that back a little bit. Don't just cat. Oh, boy. That C.J. stroud looks like the future. Let's pick him up in Dynasty and get rid of Mahomes. And then it doesn't work out the way you want.

[Andy Holloway]

No, it's a good point. I mean, you yourself have had an introspection on this. I do remember, though, I think it was on the forecast where you came to the conclusion that you sold too early.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Until you went and looked at your lineup and we're like, oh, no, just right. I held on to the bitter end.

[Jason Moore]

But. But no, it'll be interesting because we trust o'. Connell. Jefferson's entire future hinges on the right decisions being made. It's impossible for this team to move forward with JJ and nothing.

[Andy Holloway]

The weirdest but.

[Jason Moore]

And nothing cannot exist.

[Andy Holloway]

The absolute weirdest part of this whole thing, which we haven't even mentioned yet was the timing of firing him. I mean we're, it's. It's February. Like this is draft season. The Senior bowl has happened where he was, where he was there running the Vikings organization. And so now they're saying just stay there. We're going to, they are going to Senior bowl start their GM search after the draft. So that means, that means the draft will be done without a formal general manager. And then right after the free agency opens, you're not going to probably have your gm, certainly not one that's got a game plan for this organization. It just seems like you are shooting the nail gun.

[Jason Moore]

Divisions are really easy.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, soups easy. But the, my absolute favorite part because I don't, I, you know, personally, I don't know the ins and outs. I was surprised by it. I didn't see this coming. But the meme of the year, the meme of maybe all time of the jj, you know, nine face with all the other quarterbacks superimposed into that image whenever they play poorly. But now coming back full circle, the season is over and it's just him talking about, you know, when you get your, when you get your GM fired. It's just the nine picture undoctored.

[Jason Moore]

Do you, do you know, do you remember the record? Give me the Vikings record.

[Andy Holloway]

I want to say they won their last four games in a row.

[Mike Wright]

They were a couple. They were like a game and a half out of the playoffs or something.

[Andy Holloway]

Nine, eight. I'm going to nine and eight.

[Jason Moore]

Nine and eight. Five straight wins to end the season.

[Andy Holloway]

Five straight wins.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, so fire.

[Jason Moore]

They will bring in somebody, whether it's cousins, somebody else that can be a veteran that can't because the rip cord, you may have to pull it quick.

[Mike Wright]

But man, going through a full year of free agency and the draft without a captain. Yeah, I feel like you could be damaging your franchise for multiple years.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean obviously they have, they have put someone in charge as you know, they basically have an interim gm. But yeah, the timing was seemingly short sighted. But there's been a couple transactions in the history in the. Where I was such a head scratcher that turned out to be some of the best things ever. I will never forget how dumb I thought the Sean McVeigh hire was hiring a 30 year old kid. It was like okay, maybe you know something I don't.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean so this would be the.

[Jason Moore]

Second time Dalton Kincaid's fifth year option likely to be picked up. According to Brandon Bean in Buffalo. Josh Allen confirmed that he underwent surgery to repair a broken bone in his foot.

[Andy Holloway]

Seems minor. Like an 8 to 10 week timeline. Should be good for training camp.

[Jason Moore]

And they hired the former Broncos senior offensive assistant Pete Carmichael as offensive coordinator. But Joe Brady will still call plays.

[Mike Wright]

Did you guys see Joe Brady talking Keon Coleman?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

It was the best thing for Keon.

[Mike Wright]

Colon coach, if I remember right then he started going. Dion. He started going third person. Oh, did or did he say about Joe Brady?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, look, he's a Keon Coleman fan, which he's the only one. So there you go.

[Andy Holloway]

Super, super ironic that at the press conference for. For. For the firing.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Was talking about how they were a fan.

[Mike Wright]

GM is still employed and promoted.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man, what a world.

[Mike Wright]

And he hates you, Keon.

[Jason Moore]

Raheem Morris got passed over for the Cardinals job. The 49ers hired him as their defensive coordinator. This is what the 49ers do, man. They pick up the failing defensive head coaches that get fired, run them for like a year at D.C. and they go get jobs again. Chase Brown in talks with the Bengals regarding a potential extension.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, boy.

[Andy Holloway]

This can't happen. Oh, boy.

[Jason Moore]

Entering the final year of his rookie deal, this is. He hasn't made his money yet.

[Mike Wright]

No, he has. He has not. This is great. I mean, it's a great sign for dynasty managers out there. For me, yeah, me, a little bit personal. I got some investment on Chase Brown, but saying of like the going back. The breakout was two years ago for Chase Brown, and then it was. There was a lot of off season. Can he make it through the draft and not get replaced? And then he did. And then it's, man, where does Chase Brown belong for fancy football, you know, a little bit rocky start when he didn't have a quarterback, but then incredible towards the end. But along, I feel like along the journey of Chase Brown, especially when you're talking dynasty, never has it been, what if Chase Brown's going to get an extension with the Bengals? It was always just, how long can we hold out and get all the fantasy juice from Chase Brown until they certainly eventually replace him. They may not be replacing him and.

[Andy Holloway]

That would be detrimental to everyone in the league of record. I like Chase Brown the man. I want him to get an extension or a. Brooks loves it, too.

[Mike Wright]

He's on Brooks's dynasty team.

[Jason Moore]

He is a great player. He's a great player. Kirk Cousins expected to be released by the Falcons. They're going to move forward with their own version of jj.

[Andy Holloway]

That means Kirk Cousins is a starting quarterback. In the NFL in Week 1 in 2026 almost. What if he's releasing on the open market? I think he'll go out and find a job starting week one.

[Mike Wright]

Probably be a bridge quarterback somewhere.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, it could definitely happen.

[Mike Wright]

But it will be. He will be. I don't know.

[Jason Moore]

How about the Vikings sign for not that I'll agree. Oh no, he wants to start.

[Andy Holloway]

He wants to start and he has always done a good job of getting getting his money.

[Mike Wright]

Has.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's made a lot. All right, we'll take a break and we'll jump back into the truth.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Andy Holloway]

You want answers?

[Jason Moore]

I think I'm entitled.

[Andy Holloway]

You want answers? I want the truth. You can't handle the truth.

[Jason Moore]

All right. On our last episode we talked about the what the top 10 finishers at the wide receiver position breaking down the truth. The very top end group, you know, they were very consistent in conjunction with where they finished. Some of the players at the bottom, not as much. Jameson Williams made the top 10. That tells you about where that consistency level got to in the top 10 finishers. We talked about how wide receiver scoring was down. On last week's episode. We compared 2025 with every other season since 2018. Wide receivers saw just 58% of total targets, which is the lowest number in that span. You know, the tight end position, we've gone, I mean let's go back to laporta Bowers. Right then we had why is this year. That was this year trifecta. Yeah, Laporta Bowers.

[Andy Holloway]

But then this year we have Fannin Loveland.

[Jason Moore]

Mr. And Warren.

[Andy Holloway]

And Warren.

[Jason Moore]

So like the impact of these, of the tight end position broadly, but also these rookies coming in and just some.

[Mike Wright]

Significant, some offensive philosophies of like the Rams very, the Rams were the legendary. They were the 11 personnel team that always had three wide receivers out there. Now, now they're always throwing out heavy packages.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's 13 at all times.

[Jason Moore]

Now the, the wild thing too is it's like we know from our running back truth episode this didn't, you know, the proportion didn't go to a bunch of running back targets. We were actually, we didn't have a lot of running backs catching a ton of passes. So yeah, the numbers down a little bit for the wide receiver position. Defenses overall defended deep passes very well, which is not super fun for fantasy.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Jason Moore]

I mean Dallas knew what the assignment was.

[Andy Holloway]

That's why they were fun for fantasy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. But this was the fewest 20 plus yard, sorry, 20 plus air yard touchdowns over the last seven years. That's not fun. That's not fun.

[Mike Wright]

Those are the, that's the good Stuff.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

If only you could complete more than 50% of those throws, you would be in the Super Bowl. Only two teams did it, the Seahawks and the Patriots.

[Jason Moore]

Wow. They can make big plays. They knew how to do it. So we take a look beyond the season finish and we look at consistency and we're diving into our second group of wide receivers. A great game because you're going to hear me talk about the percentages of great games, good games and bust games. A Great game is 20 plus points. Good games, 12 and a half or more bust games, fewer than seven and a half.

[Andy Holloway]

And these are all half point PPR, half PPR, half point point PPR.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you, Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

What are we NPR over sultry buttery like Cortland Sutton. Who wide receiver number 11.

[Jason Moore]

Cortland Sutton at 11 does that.

[Andy Holloway]

He doesn't feel that no one after wide receiver 6 feels like they were any good. And that was what. You just had this nice, long, eloquent talk about how wide receiver yardage and everything's down. They all suck. Like, what? This is a. This is a very good wide receiver who is a wide receiver one on the season. And no one was happy with him all year. It was like, oh, he's. He's not even the wide receiver one for his team.

[Mike Wright]

Don't say all year because he. Over the first seven weeks, I mean, you had two clunkers in there, but you had, you know what, five usable weeks. Like Cortland Sutton felt. I mean, I've had him. I drafted him for the league of records. It up through that point, you felt like, okay, I have a guy who I will be able to depend on maybe, you know, super ceiling that won't be there like it was last year. And then the middle of the year, it really fell apart.

[Jason Moore]

Jason was hitting that Troy Franklin button way too much.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he really was.

[Jason Moore]

And then we had. And then it was, hey, it's Pat Bryant and, hey, it's Marvin Mims. I mean, we were. And Bo Nicks wasn't doing enough. That was part of it.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So, yeah, consistency rank for Cortland Sutton in the second half was 22. And that's more what the season felt like. You're right. He was more consistent in the beginning of the year. But you were still waiting for breakout games, which you only got 12% of the time.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

Great games, 47% bus, 29%. Look, Cortland Sutton does not always feel like an alpha wide receiver. Sometimes he does.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Seems like he's capable of it, but he also makes Just a few more mistakes than I think some of the true premiers.

[Andy Holloway]

He is a, he is a very good wide receiver who is a wide receiver one for his team. This offense I would say was the bigger disappointment. If this offense was faster pace, higher scoring, you know, and everything just percentage wise moved up, Cortland Sutton would have been fine. But he's 30 years old right now and so going into next year with some of the young guys like Franklin, who was just 20 targets behind him and for a large chunk of the season was was leading Cortland Sutton and targets a Pat Bryant, the end of the year started to get on the field, more little glimpses of a breakout coming. I don't think we're going to be excited about Cortland Sutton. I know he just put up basically identical seasons and back to back years. You know, wide receiver 13, 11 to 13, depending on your scoring format next year maybe it'll be an age value if the offense gets better with the change of offensive coordinator.

[Mike Wright]

We do have news on their offensive coordinator. Davis Webb just happened.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, wow. Look at that.

[Jason Moore]

For not a surprise that Cortland Sutton news would happen immediately.

[Andy Holloway]

When Jason's talking about breaking news.

[Mike Wright]

Davis Webb. Kyle was trying to convince Sean Payton. Kyle was trying to convince us in our Slack channel that Davis Mills just got the job of the oc. So while you were. I didn't hear a single thing you just said, Jake, because I'm like, what are you talking about? And I'm scouring the Internet looking for Davis Mills news.

[Jason Moore]

Davis Webb.

[Mike Wright]

Davis Webb. Which, that makes more sense. Way more sense.

[Jason Moore]

Because he's not a backup quarterback for an active NFL team. But Cortland Sutton, that's his story.

[Mike Wright]

I.

[Jason Moore]

He was okay.

[Mike Wright]

He was okay.

[Jason Moore]

And it's not flashy.

[Mike Wright]

It's like Bo Nix had 25 passing touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

That's what you noticed. The problem like at the end of last year with Bo Nix and the rookie season breakout, it was like every week was a sudden touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. Bo Nix had 25 touchdowns and he had two games of four passing touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh man, when you say it like that.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, say it again.

[Andy Holloway]

Disgusting.

[Mike Wright]

Eight of his pass, eight of his 25 passing touchdowns came in two games. I mean, that's super cool if you played him that week, but that's a lot of your production time.

[Jason Moore]

That would be 8 of 25. So he had 17 of them in 15 weeks. Is that the math? Yeah, that's the math.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And that's why you weren't really thrilled with anyone on this offense. But also part of why you weren't thrilled with anyone on this offense is the opposite reason that you were so thrilled with the Dallas Cowboys. This is an elite defense and it should be elite next year. So I don't think this is an offense we should be targeting too heavily because they don't need to score a lot to win.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Number 12, T. Higgins. Jason calls him.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, Meat Higgins, meet Higgins.

[Jason Moore]

What's new? I mean, another. Another season with some. Some blips on the attendance chart for T. Higgins, but this was a. When he was active and Joe Burrow was there, it's the same old T. Higgins. Second half consistency versus first half. First half, 25th. Welcome to the Bengals. You're going to see the same thing with Jamar Chase and Chase Brown. Second half, though, fifth inconsistency. Played 15 games.

[Mike Wright]

11 receiving touchdowns in only 15 games.

[Jason Moore]

And yeah, I mean, that is 11.

[Mike Wright]

Undocumented concussions and seven documented. Yes.

[Jason Moore]

No, I mean, the story with T. Higgins is he's always very good when Joe Burrow is there. He is not going to put up 1500 yards. He is not going to catch 100 passes. He is going to be very touchdown dependent. He seems to be very good at getting into the end zone. But 59 for 846 is whatever. Right? If he had five touchdowns. We're not talking about T. Higgins today. 11 touchdowns though. That's a difference maker. In a year where not a lot of guys got the double digits. 13% great, 47% good, 27% bust. His games played. This is an improvement.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

2022, it was seven games. 12 in 2023, 11 last year, 15 this year.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, the. The truth about T. Higgins is always the same. And this is why, if Mike has been proven the year of Mike to be right, maybe you should be in on T. Higgins because every year it's. Man, T. Higgins was great in this situation, which is usually just on the field, but we always had the asterisks because he would start the game and then leave early. So he didn't play the game. So it ruined all of his stats. But in reality, in games he played the whole game. He's always awesome. Well, this year we had the quarterback struggles for the first six weeks. If you take out those games and you just look all the games he played with Joe Flacco or Burrow after Flacco, his wide receiver consistency score would have been the number four wide receiver. He was really good.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And so year after year after year, we're having the same conversation. Of he is so good, but things go wrong.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

Where he is, they do.

[Mike Wright]

But he will be. He'll be a player that I will. I'm guessing I'll be targeting him yet again for fantasy football. The we love that the Bengals. At least as of right now it looks like the Bengals are. They're going to run it back.

[Jason Moore]

Well, they. Yeah, they can do that on offense. That's fine. Their offense is fine. They cannot do that.

[Andy Holloway]

So is their defense.

[Jason Moore]

They cannot do that on defense.

[Andy Holloway]

No, their defense is awesome. Lose Hendrickson. Get worse.

[Jason Moore]

Let's talk about the 13th ranked wide receiver with a first half consistency of 49 and basically non existent and the sixth most consistent wide receiver in the second half of the season at 25 years old, Michael Jerry Rice Wilson. Michael Wilson was the number six most consistent in the National Football League with fantasy finishes of 2, 9, 2, 19, 22, 10 and 6 over the back half of the year. 12% great, 35% good, 47% bust. It doesn't feel fair to look at it in totality because the season just wasn't. It wasn't something consistent for Arizona. Right. They lost Kyler Murray, Jacoby Brissette takes over and Marvin Harrison gets hurt.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he had his breakout in week 11. And so if you look at from week 11 on, which is that's. That's a large chunk. He had the second most points behind Puka Nakua. He had more than jsn.

[Jason Moore]

There you go.

[Andy Holloway]

He had more than Amon Ra, more than George Pickens. Every, everybody only Pukinakua outscored him. From his breakout on Right. Which we felt every week. He was awesome on film he looked great. He was open, he was fast, he was physical. He did everything you want. 50, 50 when, when it was contested and he'd come down with it. He came down with, I mean across the board was great. I hope that we do not as a community overreact to it because I've brought this up in the past, but what happened towards the end of the year when Kyler came out and the defense. I mean a lot's been made about the injuries to the 49ers and how far they went. The Cardinals were right there with him with total injuries, especially on the defensive side as far as lost games from starters and Jacoby Brissette was on pace to throw the ball 700 times. So yeah, if the market share, even if he stays at the market share that he had, you're not throwing the ball 700 times.

[Jason Moore]

Marvin Harrison missed five of the seven weeks that Michael Wilson was awesome. So this was not a precedent for the future, but not exactly Travis Fulgham either.

[Andy Holloway]

Kyle.

[Jason Moore]

It's not. It's not going to be a. Michael Wilson is not going to be deleted after a breakout.

[Andy Holloway]

I wonder where he's going in underdog right now. So. Kyle, give me that. That is.

[Jason Moore]

It won't be high.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Well, I mean, it's one of those things that is. It's so funny because this is a player that. It's all about value to me. I believe he is a very good wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

He's going 77th. Wait, no, that's.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, no, that's wrong. He's going positional rank 30. So he's going at wide receiver 30. Right around pick 70 overall in ADP.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. That's not the highlight, though.

[Mike Wright]

And he is going three wide receiver spots in front of Marvin Harrison Jr. Oh, baby.

[Andy Holloway]

Get wrecked. Get wrecked, Marvin. Oh, my gosh. Spread him. Spread him. I got a kick for you. Get out of here. Oh, I hope. Oh, I hope that happens next year. When drafted, how do you.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, Marvin has never shown any sort of ceiling like these seven games.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

That's the problem.

[Andy Holloway]

That's unbelievable. He is, actually. I got you good for three spots ahead of Marvin Harrison.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

For the record, our Slack channel apparently has an automatic gift that presents itself if you write. If you write, spread them. Which Kyle chose to write.

[Andy Holloway]

And it is perfect.

[Mike Wright]

Just in the nards.

[Jason Moore]

Just a kick. Look, would you draft. Here's the weird thing. Help me with the.

[Andy Holloway]

I would rather have Marv.

[Jason Moore]

Help me with the intellectual inconsistency of that, though.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, here's the argument. This is because I understand exactly. Everyone's going to say that I'd rather have Marv. And you want to know why? You want to know why? You're going to say it. You're going to say it because, man, he's got the potential to put up half a season like Michael Wilson just did. We've never seen it. Michael Wilson did a ceiling.

[Mike Wright]

He might do that.

[Jason Moore]

Michael Wilson didn't go out and give you Cortland Sutton, wide receiver, 15, 16, 17, sometimes score. He went out and did more than Harrison would ever be able to do. If Michael Wilson had done what he did in the second half, he's the number two fantasy wide receiver.

[Andy Holloway]

If Marv was on the field for when he did that, then absolutely, that would be insane to think that he could do that. But.

[Jason Moore]

But why would Marv be able to do it with Michael Wilson on the field. You don't ask that.

[Andy Holloway]

My point is that I don't think Michael Wilson will do that with Marvin Harrison on the field. Because I think Marvin Harrison will be the wide receiver one in targets. I mean, they were real.

[Jason Moore]

Question, why should he be?

[Andy Holloway]

Draft capital, expectations, pedigree, all those things are real. They are real.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, but this new coach.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, new coaches coming in, they were real.

[Jason Moore]

For a lot of first round wide receivers that haven't. Keon Coleman should be first round draft pick. No, Keon was first.

[Mike Wright]

No, he was.

[Andy Holloway]

He was the first pick of the second round.

[Mike Wright]

Did you.

[Andy Holloway]

How dare you, Mike?

[Mike Wright]

Did you just get a fact? You check and your response was okay?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you shamed the truth. That was awful. That's so stupid. The truth.

[Jason Moore]

Who is. Who's The Minnesota top 10 pick? Treadwell.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, how about Kevin White?

[Andy Holloway]

Who's his dad?

[Jason Moore]

His dad doesn't matter.

[Andy Holloway]

His dad.

[Jason Moore]

No, his dad hurts him at this point. He hurt our pick.

[Mike Wright]

I'm on Andy's side of. Especially when you factor it. This is a new coach that will come in and sure he'll be excited like, oh, Marv was drafted. He was drafted number four two years ago. He still has done nothing. But on my team I got a tight end and I've maybe the best tight end in all football. And then I got this guy over the second half who was a top five wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

This is. Look, I understand, I'm arguing for the sake of arguing. I understand everything that you're saying. It's just I don't think that there's a real logical pathway that it makes more sense for Marv to do what he's never done than it does for Wilson to do what he has done is all I'm saying for a long period of time.

[Andy Holloway]

The logical path is simply the fact that in the first 10 weeks when they all played together, Michael Wilson was on pace for 70 targets versus 114 for Marv, who was the one. Now Marv might not be better than Michael Wilson. Michael Wilson maybe should usurp Marv in the pecking order of targets. And maybe that will absolutely happen.

[Jason Moore]

New coach comes in, they'll probably finish 30 and 33.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, right where they're being.

[Jason Moore]

That's probably what's going to happen. 7th most first read targets among all. Wide receiver for Michael. Wide receivers for Michael Wilson won't see that run again as long as people are healthy. And the number one target is Trey McBride. We'll take a break. We'll Talk more Whiteouts.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

All right, let's have the conversation.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh man.

[Jason Moore]

AJ Brown came in at 14, Devonte Smith at 21. E A G L E S AJ Brown consistency of 14 Devonte Smith consistency of 39. Honestly, this was a. This is a bad year for devontae Smith.

[Andy Holloway]

It was a bad year for the Eagles offense. Saquon Hertz they basically just for context.

[Jason Moore]

AJ Brown and devonte Smith put up the exact same numbers. That's basically almost identical numbers. A.J. brown had three touchdowns more than Devonte Smith.

[Mike Wright]

And also games played is different.

[Jason Moore]

You're right. Yep.

[Mike Wright]

I mean he missed.

[Jason Moore]

A.J. brown missed a couple games. But from a fantasy truth perspective, consistency in the first half, 28 for Devonte Smith, 36 for A.J. brown. That hurt everybody in fantasy with those guys being outside the top 25 inconsistency second half AJ Brown we had talked about it on the show as a trade for Target he ends up at 8.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Because he talked enough where they started throwing him the ball and losing games. I mean, that down the stretch they went 3 and 4 in their last seven games. When A.J. brown started becoming the wide receiver. 5 1, 12, 17, you know, more. Not causation, more correlation. But it's still a funny thing to look at and just be like, they want a lot more games when A.J. brown was not the focal point of their offense.

[Jason Moore]

Great games for Brown were 20%. Devontae Smith. Great games, 6%.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Good games, 40% for Brown, 29% for Smith. Bust games, 59% for Devonte Smith. You're talking about under seven and a half points killed you type of games. What do you make of that?

[Andy Holloway]

Man? What we need to discuss is really what happened with Dallas Goddard, how he became such an important passing target that hadn't been really prior.

[Jason Moore]

That feels like they messed something up. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, well, obviously they fired their offensive staff. They brought in genius superstar quarterback Sean Manion. And so I don't know what he's going to do.

[Jason Moore]

You ever put the wrong pieces together on an Ikea furniture and you end up with something different than you wanted to do? All of a sudden you pull out the drawer and there's a Dallas Goddard right there. And you meant it to be an A.J. brown.

[Andy Holloway]

We've all been there.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know what that analogy even was.

[Mike Wright]

The Goddard had 11 receiving touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

Good night.

[Mike Wright]

Just to remind people.

[Jason Moore]

Good night. They couldn't run the ball. They couldn't play action the same way.

[Mike Wright]

I mean.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, the question is, is was it system or was it quarterback? Because there are the debates. People say that the system has to be dumbed down for Jalen hurts, that Jalen hurts. Can't run these complex motion systems. It doesn't jive with his skill set. And we've heard this multiple times. That's one argument. On the other argument on the other side is he's gotten to the super bowl twice. He's looked great. He's put up great passing numbers, great rushing yardage. When he's got, you know, Kellen Moore, when he's. When he's got an offensive coordinator that gets it done, all of a sudden the offense is chugging. And Saquon Barkley's the number one running back in all of football. So there was also the Lane Johnson, very important injury for, you know, that stretch of lost games. That's probably much more on Lane than It is on A.J. brown.

[Jason Moore]

Goddard's a free agent. If you're the Eagles.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh yeah.

[Jason Moore]

If you're the Eagles, do you just, I know they're not a patient franchise, but do you just chalk that up to our office just got out of sync? Let's run this thing back because all last year we got talk of AJ Brown leaving and being unhappy. Like, you know, going into this season as Philadelphia, you have two choices. You can build your offense to be more around AJ Brown so he's happy or you can have a mad AJ Brown in the locker room.

[Andy Holloway]

Those are your two choices. I think they will look to move. AJ Brown does that.

[Jason Moore]

That's, that's where the devonte Smith AJ Brown dynasty question gets interesting to me is because I look at that ranking and I say I don't think A.J. brown's, he's either on this team for one more year or no more years.

[Andy Holloway]

I could also see AJ Brown pulling a Brandon Marshall though, and going and dominating at an older age for another team because he's, you know, when he goes somewhere he's going to be that squeaky wheel demanding the ball. And you know, if he gets a gunslinger still just, I mean he's 28.

[Jason Moore]

He'S on the older side, but not that old.

[Mike Wright]

But Smith is 27.

[Andy Holloway]

I was going to say it's only a one year age gap there. Oh man.

[Jason Moore]

You don't think that because Smith is so small and like you're small growing.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

And then you grow up and you become an A.J. brown. Right?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I mean it's what's the years played difference. So Smith has played five.

[Jason Moore]

Wanda L. Robinson's only like 15 years old.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So Brown's seven years. Darnell, Darnell Washington of the two, I'm still going to prefer A.J. brown. He could still take over a game where I feel like things just kind of have to break right for Smith on the way that the game is unfolding.

[Jason Moore]

Well, we did talk about the lack of the big play and Devontae Smith, that's a big part of him being valuable for your fantasy team. Not a lot of teams could get that done. Teteroa McMillan comes in at 15. Consistency rank of 20. Somehow 20 despite a 27 in the first half, 23 in the second half. I mean this is probably going to be your rookie of the year. Tetaro McMillan. The totals 70 for 10, 14 and 7. Not as much opportunity as you would have liked him to have.

[Mike Wright]

Correct.

[Jason Moore]

But pretty much showed his physicality and ability to dominate whenever he had those opportunities. So I think you look at this season, what was the numbers for give me Marv's rookie year.

[Andy Holloway]

Marv was like 700.

[Mike Wright]

I thought he was like 808.

[Jason Moore]

I just wanted to see the differentials between those two because he had more touchdowns than Ted Roll did.

[Mike Wright]

Tedro McMillan the year it. Having him on your fantasy squads, I don't think didn't feel fantastic. He came through with enough spike games that it was definitely worth it. I mean, you put up.

[Jason Moore]

So did he meet your expectations? I would say he's slightly below, maybe.

[Mike Wright]

A little bit below.

[Andy Holloway]

Marv was 885 and eight in his rookie season. There's not that many rookie wide receivers to hit 1,000 yards. This was a really good rookie season from tet. What it wasn't was it wasn't the sensational breakout. Brian Thomas neighbors, Puka Jefferson, all the really good ones. The breakout superstars. Yeah, you take. I mean, there's just not that many of those guys.

[Jason Moore]

This is more of the Drake London plan.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

What it felt like because I think you guys love Drake London. Tape instantly didn't get the numbers accumulating, but it's come over time as the team and the offense has gotten better.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a great. That's a great comp. But if you want to look deeper into that Drake London rookie year, 866 yards and four touchdowns. So Ted A. Rowan had a much better, much better rookie season than Drake London, who we know is a great player. Tetaroa showed to me he's a great wide receiver. He is what we hoped. He is what the Panthers hoped. I think this could be as much a Bryce Young problem as it is a Tetaroa problem. And so I'm going to bet on the talent of a position that can be so rewarding. I'm very in on Tetera.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And it's 70. Wait, what was he like 71,007 or so. I mean, to do that with that offense and Bryce Young, especially when you had, you know, spots of the season where like the team was like, no, it's Rico Dowdle. I mean, the Rico Dowdle weeks. What did, what did McMillan even do in those.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

I watched maybe. Maybe McMillan had an okay game. But like you have two games where, where. Where Rico Daddles rushing for like 200 yards a game.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that was weeks five and six. So we.

[Mike Wright]

So week five was he still put up 10 points and then week six.

[Andy Holloway]

He put up 16 points.

[Mike Wright]

He had two touchdowns. It was not a huge output day. But he. He had the tuddies.

[Jason Moore]

Wandale at 16.

[Andy Holloway]

Another surprise.

[Jason Moore]

Wandale at 16.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man. This. This is like. This is why I'm excited for Dart and neighbors next year.

[Jason Moore]

29Th inconsistency or sorry. 21st inconsistency. Sorry, Mike. Go ahead, say Dart.

[Mike Wright]

Dart carried Wondale Robinson to being a. A top 20 fantasy wide receiver. Like, this is 92. Very exciting.

[Jason Moore]

92 for 10, 14 and four neighbors out early in the season. 13% great, 38% good, 44% bus games. Windell's the weirdest because some days he just looks like he could dominate.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, it was. It was against bad teams as well. I mean, the bottom 16.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

In his six games there, he averaged 16.45 fantasy points per game. Against the top half defenses, it was seven fantasy points a game. Wide disparity. He obviously benefited from Neighbors being done. He showed that he can do it.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to give this credit. I'm going to give it all to one day. I'm not going to give beneficiaries anywhere else. He's done it two years in a row. He's done it. There's only three wide receivers with 140 targets and 90 receptions in each of the last two years. Jamar Chase, Almond Ross, St. Brown and Wandale. I'm just giving the credit to Wanda Robinson.

[Mike Wright]

I'm with you.

[Jason Moore]

He's a baller. If you do it two years in a row and every year we have to be like, he only did it because, I mean, he's just going to find a way to. That's like almond raw story. Can I ask you from his rookie.

[Andy Holloway]

Year, what you think his consistency grade is on this season?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, it's got to be. I mean, it's got to be Giants level. That's got to be a D. You're right.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a D. He helped you 35% of his game. So he is an accumulator and I'm proud of him. I'm proud of the little guy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, when did Dart take over? We had Russ this year.

[Andy Holloway]

We started with Russ.

[Jason Moore]

We also had somebody else, but also.

[Andy Holloway]

One of his big gears was James.

[Jason Moore]

Russ had some James. Yeah. Look, you're trying to take away from a guy. I'm proud of him and what he's done. I'm proud of him and I'm just telling you, he did it two years in a row.

[Andy Holloway]

He did big boy stuff.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my gosh. Two years in a row.

[Andy Holloway]

That's why I'm so proud.

[Jason Moore]

T. Higgins would never play this many games in a row.

[Andy Holloway]

No, that's true. He's Got bad meat.

[Jason Moore]

He had more top 12 finishes than.

[Mike Wright]

Just like Devonta Smith.

[Jason Moore]

He had more top 12 number finishes than T. Higgins, more than Cortland Sutton.

[Mike Wright]

Wondale is good.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Wandale is a good player.

[Jason Moore]

Wandale is good.

[Mike Wright]

He has.

[Jason Moore]

That's why he plays in the NFL.

[Mike Wright]

He also has had some people calling plays for him in the past where they're, they're. They had clearly pigeonholed him into a role and they felt like he couldn't do something else, like go downfield. Right. And then this year, I feel like it happened just multiple times, like, oh, holy crap.

[Jason Moore]

Second rounder Jason.

[Mike Wright]

That's Wanda Robinson.

[Andy Holloway]

Wanda Robinson. I'm going to be honest here, because the jokes of just being proud of this little guy because he's 581-85- yeah.

[Jason Moore]

It's got Andy Isabella in the back of your mind. Go on.

[Andy Holloway]

He's. He is good. You know, when they started using him in the middle areas of the field, you know, it's like either. For so long, it was either just like go run and do nothing or get a screen behind the line of scrimmage.

[Jason Moore]

Giants expected to reset him, too.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I think Mike is excited about dart appropriately if neighbors and scatter Boo can come back healthy. This is an offensive.

[Mike Wright]

I'd love Wanda to be back the. So how I'm talking about he was used incorrectly. Do you understand how staggeringly crazy similar his numbers are from this year and last year? This year? Last year, 140 targets apiece. This year, 92 catches. Last year, 93. He caught 66% of his passes in both seasons.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Give me his yards last year. 600 something.

[Mike Wright]

699.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I knew.

[Mike Wright]

Seven and a half yards per completion.

[Jason Moore]

Now a thousand this year a thousand.

[Mike Wright]

And eleven yards because they let him.

[Andy Holloway]

Go down the field.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, that's.

[Andy Holloway]

He's way better egregious.

[Jason Moore]

Dude. Let him run.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, run.

[Jason Moore]

Dale Rundale Robinson. Let's go.

[Andy Holloway]

Also, while I, while I, you know, give props to the little guy.

[Mike Wright]

You do.

[Andy Holloway]

He is tough as nails. Man, that's such a backhand. I know, I know. It really is. I'm just having fun. A big guy. I'm just. I'm just having fun here. The actual compliment here is he took some shots across the middle down the field and didn't get tuckered out. No, he didn't. Yeah, it's fun, isn't it? It's fun.

[Jason Moore]

We got to blitz some of these. Drake London. Drake London. His season was marred by injury that. This is a perfect Truth show player 17th and fantasy finish is what you're going to see when you come back to fantasy football or you're re acclimating to the fantasy finish. His consistency was nine.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he's.

[Jason Moore]

Drake London's a top ten guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Absolutely. He was good with cousins. He was good with pinnocks. You're fine. Drake London is a great player. He's the clear number one for a team without a number two.

[Jason Moore]

And he won't go late in drafts, but he might go a few picks too late because it wasn't a continuous domination season because of the change at quarterback, because of the missed games. Just something to pay attention to.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, he's entering year five, Kyle. So he's about to get paid. Yeah, he's about. There's no way.

[Jason Moore]

He's not even 25 yet.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, entering year five he will be.

[Jason Moore]

He's way up there in the dynasty rankings, man.

[Andy Holloway]

He'll get his fifth year option.

[Mike Wright]

Well, they would have already had to pick that up. I'm saying he'll get an extension.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

And he'll get it this. He'll get it this off season.

[Jason Moore]

Diggs Insanely at 18, consistency rank of 26. I mean, Stefan Diggs felt sort of.

[Andy Holloway]

Like mostly irrelevant for a lot of the year. I mean, like you said, his consistency rank of 26. This is sometimes when we're. When we're looking at this now we're getting to the place where the guys at surprise are the guys that played 17 games. Diggs. Diggs played the whole year. So at the end he accumulated more on a points per game basis. Obviously he didn't do what some of the other guys.

[Jason Moore]

Would you have rather played Diggs all year or a Buca? Who comes up next at 19? Abuka consistency of 36, first half was 16, second half 43. I would choose don't look at the back half of the year on our consistency charts. It's gross.

[Andy Holloway]

If I had to lock one of them in all year long, I would choose Diggs who went off in weeks 16 and 17 for the championship. I don't have to look to see how Buka did in the playoffs because I know that was in the second half of the year where Igbuka was second half ranked 43, inconsistency.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, he's a horribly difficult player to rank in dynasty, man, because it's. It's not about. I think a book is good. It's just you have a lot of players there right now.

[Andy Holloway]

He was holding the breath away from the 101 in Dynasty startups like they're early this season. At some point during the. During the hot run, it was like, this is.

[Jason Moore]

I think it was right when Papa Josh acquired him in Dynasty. Wasn't that. Didn't you. Don't you have him?

[Andy Holloway]

But I don't even want to talk.

[Mike Wright]

Did he get you?

[Andy Holloway]

It was the worst timing imaginable. Dude.

[Jason Moore]

At least you didn't have to. At least you didn't have to play him in the playoffs.

[Mike Wright]

By high.

[Andy Holloway]

True.

[Jason Moore]

That's right. By high is what they say.

[Andy Holloway]

You know who was one spot better than a Mecca Buca inconsistency in the second half of the season. Uhoh, Mecca Buca. Wide receiver, 43. Wide receiver, 42. Inconsistency, second half.

[Jason Moore]

Say Jalen McMillan.

[Andy Holloway]

Justin Jefferson. Oh, no, that's another.

[Jason Moore]

Let's finish with that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Because he came in at 25.

[Andy Holloway]

Ouch.

[Jason Moore]

27Th inconsistency. 8th in the first half. 42nd in the second half. Look, you can say anything you want about what you believe about. About JJ McCarthy, but the proof is in this man's hall of Fame stats. I mean, Justin Jefferson, if he doesn't perform, it's not his fault. That is the position I will take.

[Andy Holloway]

He played all 17 games.

[Jason Moore]

Well, does that add up to zero percent? Great games?

[Andy Holloway]

Let me see.

[Jason Moore]

17 games from Jefferson. You would think that a randomly thrown pass.

[Andy Holloway]

I would think that if you went out there, you could get him one.

[Jason Moore]

Was it David Blau that threw that random deep bombed a Galladay on Thanksgiving?

[Mike Wright]

I believe so, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, just do. I mean, how did he not get.

[Andy Holloway]

One of those nine?

[Jason Moore]

He had more bus games than good games, percentage wise. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He crushed people. I mean it.

[Jason Moore]

Do you really want J.J. mcCarthy there, Mike, you're a Minnesota guy.

[Mike Wright]

I do.

[Jason Moore]

You want him there?

[Mike Wright]

I still believe that JJ McCarthy will turn out and be okay.

[Jason Moore]

You're not just. Do you want somebody great behind him.

[Mike Wright]

For a quick yes. He needs to be challenged also turn.

[Jason Moore]

Out to be okay. It's not a high enough bar.

[Andy Holloway]

I feel like I like JJ McCarthy.

[Mike Wright]

The career will be okay.

[Andy Holloway]

JJ McCarthy is my scuba tank that I was happy to have on as I went scuba diving. And I went down and instead of being filled with air, it was filled with lead. Okay. So I'm diving deep and I've got no oxygen. And I got to figure out when do I take this thing off and try to get to the surface.

[Jason Moore]

I was trying to figure out how. That tight. I get it. You take it off.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So you can breathe. I got I'm going to try to. All right, Mike, Swim.

[Jason Moore]

On account of J.J. mcCarthy. The people need to hear this. Jefferson finished at 25 this year with a consistency rank of 27. Take your.

[Mike Wright]

He will finish higher next year.

[Jason Moore]

Take your time machine and tell me the numbers. Jefferson finishes. Yes. Jefferson's fantasy finish if he has JJ.

[Andy Holloway]

McCarthy as the starting quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

Just whatever you think.

[Mike Wright]

Next year. So wait, where did he finish this year?

[Jason Moore]

25.

[Mike Wright]

It's definitely going to be better. I'll say top.

[Jason Moore]

Better not have a one in front of it.

[Mike Wright]

It will.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man.

[Mike Wright]

It will. Well, I'm trying to work my way through it. I don't want to just be like, he's top five guy. Like, I mean, the top 15 will happen. It's tough. He. Top 10 is still in play. He's being drafted as Justin Jefferson right now. Best ball. He is the wide receiver 8.

[Jason Moore]

He's being drafted that way in Dynasty, too.

[Mike Wright]

And it's.

[Andy Holloway]

He's the wide receiver 8 in best ball.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Goodness.

[Jason Moore]

I could see it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I could, too. If they trade for a quarterback, if they get Kyler Murray or someone, I could see it. But with JJ there, I will be.

[Jason Moore]

The weird thing is they won their last five games and Jefferson was 79th, 77th, 26th and 52.

[Andy Holloway]

That defense. That defense was great.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it was very good. I mean, the McCarthy year, you also. You forget how much time he actually missed. I mean, he missed nine games. My. Maybe I'm doing the math wrong. Five, six, count. Seven. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm trying to count. I'm trying to go really fast math over here.

[Andy Holloway]

One plus one is two, plus one is three, plus one is four.

[Mike Wright]

I'm having so many conversations in my head at the exact same time. He had. He had a couple of good games at the end. Yeah, please. He had a couple of good games at the end.

[Andy Holloway]

It was last two games.

[Mike Wright]

I know. It was Washington and Dallas. Then he got hurt.

[Andy Holloway]

Dallas.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, Dallas. Really, really proven their. Their worth there. He gets hurt the next week and then the final week of the season. If you remember, that was the. There's no way he's coming back. It's going to be. Oh, gosh. Now, the backup, his name is Escaping.

[Andy Holloway]

Was that Brosmer?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, Brosmer. So also in some of these Jeff Jefferson games is Brosmer.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah. So before I shut it down, don't.

[Mike Wright]

Just crap on McCarthy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, before you shut it down. Last player to just throw out there because he was consistency rank of four. And I want to remember that Going into next year.

[Jason Moore]

Four seems high.

[Andy Holloway]

Four seems high. But he was. Because we don't penalize the games that you was Rushy Rice. Rushy Rice was the consistency rank of four in the first half. Consistency rank of number one. He was great.

[Jason Moore]

Another really difficult dynasty player to rank. Yeah, because you're right. The numbers for him when he was on the field. Unbelievable. Why does she were 11, 2, 13, 6 and 3 and five of the eight games.

[Mike Wright]

Is Kelsey back? Does it matter if he's back?

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, Kelsey was there for those Rasheed Rice. That's.

[Mike Wright]

Well, that's what I mean. Okay, let's say Kelsey is completely out now. What does that do? Is that better or is that worse for Rasheed Rice? Because they have to.

[Jason Moore]

I think it might be neutral or. I mean, I think if he's out there and all the exterior, all the externals are not considered. I mean, he's been targeted on 30% of his routes. He has Patrick Mahomes. He has Andy Reid. Only Puka and Malik Neighbors have been targeted on a higher percentage of his routes when he plays. It's been a couple of years of him not playing all the games, but yes, I'm glad you brought him up that way. The last player we talked about didn't have to be DK Metcalf at 26. So we won't talk about DK Metcalf today.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, no.

[Jason Moore]

And we won't talk about wide receivers anymore.

[Mike Wright]

So Champion League of record champion. Thursday.

[Jason Moore]

We'll be back. Tight end truth episode. We'll talk to you then.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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