This or That: Dynasty Edition + Buy or Sell, Reactions! - Fantasy Football Podcast

Summary

Episode Summary: "This or That: Dynasty Edition + Buy or Sell, Reactions!" | Fantasy Footballers Podcast

Release Date: January 7, 2020

In this engaging episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright navigate through a mix of dynasty league decisions, buy/sell debates, and gripping reactions to recent NFL playoff games. Packed with insightful analysis, spirited debates, and entertaining banter, this episode serves as a comprehensive guide for fantasy football enthusiasts looking to optimize their strategies for the upcoming season.

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1. Introduction and Off-Season Banter (00:00 - 04:22)

The episode kicks off with the hosts exchanging light-hearted comments about black shirts slimming down and reminiscing about receiving Goo Goo Clusters from a supporter, Chris Howell [00:57]. They delve into Jason Moore's recent trip to New York, taking children to museums and musicals, showcasing their diverse interests beyond fantasy football.

Notable Quote:

• Jason Moore [00:54]: "That just tells you exactly what you need to know about the dietary choices that have been made in 20."

2. Show Schedule and Promotions (04:39 - 12:57)

Jason Moore outlines the podcast's evolving schedule, mentioning bi-weekly releases from January through June, with plans to ramp up frequency during the regular season [03:12]. The hosts promote their sponsor, Pristine Auction, sharing personal anecdotes about acquiring sports memorabilia and highlighting exclusive offers for listeners [11:53].

Notable Quote:

• Andy Holloway [12:57]: "They’re slimming. That's my entry."

3. Buy or Sell Debate: Miles Sanders (04:39 - 12:57)

Presented by Pristine Auction, the hosts engage in a thorough debate over whether to buy or sell Miles Sanders in dynasty leagues. Jason Moore expresses skepticism about Sanders securing a top 12 running back spot next year, citing potential depth in the Eagles' backfield and Sanders' opportunity limitations [05:28].

Notable Quotes:

• Jason Moore [05:28]: "...I think he's going to be right on that razor's edge. But here's what I know..."
• Mike Wright [08:01]: "I'm going to buy."

4. NFL Playoff Reactions (12:13 - 17:16)

The hosts dissect recent playoff games, highlighting key performances and surprising outcomes:

• Buffalo vs. Houston: Mike Wright vents frustration over Buffalo's collapse despite leading [15:00].
• Tennessee vs. New England: Andy Holloway affirms that the Patriots' dynasty remains intact, countering doubts about their future [13:45].
• Minnesota vs. New Orleans & Seattle vs. Philadelphia: Discussions revolve around player performances and coaching decisions, emphasizing unpredictability in playoff outcomes [16:15].

Notable Quote:

• Mike Wright [16:44]: "I hate, like Sean McDermott. I hate you again."

5. Coaching News: Mike McCarthy and Jason Garrett (21:36 - 25:38)

The conversation shifts to coaching changes, particularly the hiring of Mike McCarthy as the new head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. The hosts analyze McCarthy's potential impact, referencing his offensive expertise and previous tenure with the Packers [22:50]. They also discuss the unconventional firing of Jason Garrett with the New York Giants, highlighting the team's strategic maneuvers [21:36].

Notable Quote:

• Jason Moore [23:16]: "Is it Wrong. That I feel like that's like my grandpa going to the iPad classes. I mean, I just don't know."

6. Dynasty "This or That" Segments (30:03 - 49:56)

The heart of the episode features a series of "This or That" segments, where the hosts debate dynasty league preferences between closely ranked players:

a. Joe Mixon vs. Leonard Fournette (30:58 - 35:23)

• Andy Holloway and Mike Wright advocate for Joe Mixon due to his youth and recent surge in performance with the Bengals.
• Jason Moore leans towards selling Mixon, questioning his long-term potential amidst team dynamics.

Notable Quote:

• Jason Moore [32:00]: "I think Mixon's a great dynasty for me."

b. Cortland Sutton vs. Stefon Diggs (35:25 - 38:25)

• Andy Holloway prefers Cortland Sutton for his clear role and younger age.
• Mike Wright concurs, citing Stefon Diggs' inconsistency despite his elite separation skills.

Notable Quote:

• Andy Holloway [36:18]: "From a dynasty perspective, I am definitely on the Cortland Sutton side."

c. Hunter Henry vs. Darren Waller (38:39 - 45:11)

• The debate revolves around consistency and touchdown potential.
• Andy ultimately favors Darren Waller for his reliability and consistent target volume.
• Mike expresses confidence in Hunter Henry's touchdown upside but acknowledges his injury concerns.

Notable Quote:

• Andy Holloway [44:52]: "I think I am on the Darren Waller side... I just want it to be safer."

d. Baker Mayfield vs. Jared Goff (45:25 - 49:55)

• Andy Holloway opts for Jared Goff due to his proven performance and stability under McCarthy.
• Mike Wright champions Baker Mayfield, excited about his potential with a new offensive scheme.

Notable Quote:

• Jason Moore [46:10]: "I don't think he's going to be that top five guy on a weekly basis."

7. Mailbag: Listener Questions (50:03 - 56:23)

The hosts address listener-submitted questions, providing tailored advice and insights:

a. Devonte Parker Draft Strategy (50:42 - 52:15)

• Discussion centers on drafting Devonte Parker, contingent on Fitz Magic remaining the starting quarterback. The consensus leans towards holding Parker if Fitz is uncertain, advocating for trust in the current quarterback dynamics.

Notable Quote:

• Jason Moore [51:46]: "Trust the process, get to a healthy, get him a year of experience on an NFL bench slash practice field."

b. Emerging Elite Talent (52:15 - 55:39)

• Topics include potential breakout players like Devonta Singletary, Debo Samuels, and Robbie Anderson who could ascend to elite status with the right opportunities and team support.

Notable Quote:

• Andy Holloway [53:22]: "I think Robbie Anderson is sure."

c. Optimal Number of Owners for Dynasty Leagues (55:53 - 56:23)

• Andy Holloway recommends 10-12 committed owners to maintain league stability and depth, crucial for dynasty formats.

Notable Quote:

• Andy Holloway [56:46]: "12 is the best number because I think that's the context in which all the shows that you're listening to are talking about."

8. Conclusion and Call to Action (56:23 - 58:13)

The episode wraps up with the hosts encouraging listeners to participate in their Thursday AMA sessions by submitting questions via social media or their website [56:03]. They also mention ongoing giveaways and invite fans to join their fantasy football community for exclusive content and interactions [58:10].

Notable Quote:

• Jason Moore [57:41]: "Hope you enjoyed today's episode."

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Key Takeaways:

• Dynasty League Focus: Emphasizes the importance of youth, consistency, and clear roles in player selection. Preferences lean towards younger, reliable players with high upside.

• Buy or Sell Insights: Evaluates players like Miles Sanders by considering team dynamics, injury history, and future opportunities within the team's roster.

• NFL Impact on Fantasy: Highlights how coaching changes and playoff performances can significantly influence fantasy league strategies and player valuations.

• Engaging Listener Interaction: Encourages active participation through mailbag segments and AMA sessions, fostering a community-driven environment.

This episode serves as a treasure trove of strategic advice and entertaining discourse, equipping fantasy football managers with the knowledge to make informed decisions and stay ahead in their leagues.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

Foreign to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, coming to you from Pristine Auction.com Studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome in.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, we're staying up here now. It's the podcast.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome.

[Mike Wright]

We're a musical now.

[Jason Moore]

Tuesday, January 7, 2020, starring Barbara Walters and Hugh Downs.

[Mike Wright]

We were all thinking it, and then Jason did it.

[Andy Holloway]

That's my entry.

[Jason Moore]

Apparently, it's black shirt day today. Did you guys notice this?

[Andy Holloway]

Fantastic.

[Mike Wright]

They're slimming.

[Jason Moore]

That just tells you exactly what you need to know about the dietary choices that have been made in 20. Because I went to lunch with Mike yesterday. Jason, you've been out of town. Mike and I didn't do any favors to our afternoon. And then we received boxes of Goo Goo Clusters from one of our Foot Clan supporters, Chris Howell. Shout out. And, well, I had to remember what those tasted like.

[Mike Wright]

And then we turned into Goo Goo Clusters.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, and then we wore black shirts and everything's fine.

[Mike Wright]

You can't tell. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Jason, welcome back into town. You didn't miss anything here on the podcast.

[Andy Holloway]

That's right. That's right.

[Jason Moore]

But you did venture to New York and you took children to New York, and then.

[Mike Wright]

That's bold.

[Jason Moore]

And you paid money to do that.

[Andy Holloway]

We paid and we had a blast. Saw some musicals, went to some museums.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we heard about the museums.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, we heard your very hot take about not liking the greatest museum in the country.

[Andy Holloway]

The Moore's are not museum people. You just walk around and you look. Oh, look at that thing. Look at that on the wall. It doesn't have a button.

[Mike Wright]

I like that.

[Andy Holloway]

Your.

[Mike Wright]

Your approach is over here. Like, we're just. We're not museum people. I mean, that's. That's saying very strong things about your family.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, and I'm proud of it.

[Jason Moore]

I'm happy.

[Mike Wright]

We can't read.

[Andy Holloway]

No. Now, in fairness, we. We went to the. The 911 Memorial Museum. That was unbelievable.

[Mike Wright]

All right. That was all right.

[Andy Holloway]

That was moving and. And, and beyond interactive and how you go through. So look, museums, step up your game. That's what I'm saying.

[Jason Moore]

He did tweet about it. We've got a good show today. We've got a Dynasty edition of this or that. Should be very fun to talk about the futures of many fantasy football players. Today we'll get into some news. We got buy or sell on the show today. A reminder. Couple things. Couple things. Number one, black shirts are slimming, so if you've had a rough Christmas, like, just put on a black shirt. Number two, our show schedule just A reminder, our show comes out from January through June.

[Mike Wright]

It's Tuesday and Thursday.

[Jason Moore]

Tuesday, Thursday. We also have a bonus episode. If you're a bonus. If you're a member [e-mail] the off season episodes are a lot of fun and we. There's an extra one that comes out over there. And then we've got the Spitballers podcast. Yes, the comedy podcast comes out on Monday, so you can check that out as well. But yeah, we're twice a week right now. We're up to three a week in July, then we're five a week. Regular season schedule from August through December.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, let's not talk about that.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, right now.

[Mike Wright]

Look, I love it. I love that, the season, but I'm, I'm not ready to do it again yet. I need to recharge the batteries.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah, I think we're all, we're all trying to do that. But today will be a great episode. You can find us with Google Clusters.

[Andy Holloway]

That's how you recharge. Yes.

[Mike Wright]

I've heard it's a great energy source.

[Andy Holloway]

They say calories are really energy.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I believe, Mike, when we were at lunch and you decided, hey, do you want to get a pizookie?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You were like, hey, you hiked yesterday morning. And so I'm just picturing myself, you know, summiting mountains, but like with Goo Goo Clusters in the backpack to just refresh at the top of the mountain.

[Mike Wright]

Just melt them down and put them in a camelback.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah, the marshmallow's not coming through very well. All right, we're moving on. Let's. Let's get into some buy or sell.

[Andy Holloway]

Buy or sell presented by Pristine Auction.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we have a buy or sell debate of sorts. I guess we'll see if it's a debate if we all agree one way or the other, but buy yourself at Miles Sanders will be a top 12 running back in 2020. So Miles Sanders took over the starting role in week 11, finished the season in half point per Reception Leagues as RB15 had weeks. Week 13, he was the sixth running overall running back. Week 15, the third, week 16 the seventh. A strong finish to the year won't require off season surgery for the injuries that he suffered recently.

[Andy Holloway]

From week 11 on, when he was the starter, he was the running back seven. So we, we know for sure that he can deliver a top 12 type of performance. The question is, will he be given that opportunity next year? Because this year it took obviously a lot of injuries. Injuries for the Eagles, primarily. It Was Jordan Howard. That was the first, you know, rung on the ladder. And then all the wide receivers started going down.

[Jason Moore]

Djax was the first.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. But I'm saying, yeah, at that point.

[Jason Moore]

In the season, the first thing that.

[Andy Holloway]

Propelled Miles Sanders to relevance was Jordan Howard going down. And then if you look at the second half of the year, the amount of targets to the running back position that the Eagles between bosses, Scott, Miles Sanders, it became necessary because they had no wide receiver weapons. So the real question is they've. They've clearly seen that they've got something special here. If you didn't pay attention the last part of the year, Miles Sanders was excellent. Right. Like, I think people would be surprised if you didn't have Miles Sanders to know he was the running back 15 on the season.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. He's the 53rd overall pick in last year's draft. We know the talent coming out of Penn State, but the question has been opportunity. I think the line, the top 12 line, that seems like the right number to me, like that. I'm really on the fence here. I'm buying or selling him as a top 12 running back. I'm going to sell it. I think he will not quite be there next year. I think some of it goes to what Jason is talking about. Opportunity presented itself at the end of the year to propel him so high. I think he's going to be right on that razor's edge. But here's what I know. Before this season, Doug Peterson believed in the. You know, he acknowledged the reality that injuries happen massively and you need depth. This is why this backfield has always looked comical with Corey Clement, Darren Sprouls, Jordan Howard, jj, You know, they draft Miles Sanders after they sign Jordan Howard. I think Jordan. I think Miles Sanders is an incredible talent, but I believe that Doug Peterson fundamentally believes in great depth. And if you combine the return of wide receivers with great depth, I think he's going to be right on the outside looking in of that top 12. And as a dynasty owner of Miles Sanders, I'd much rather buy it, but I'm going to sell right now.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to buy. He was. We talk about running back 15. He's about 15 points off of that top 12 area. Alvin Camaro was the running back 12 on the year. But what's interesting is, I mean, how little he actually had the workload at the end of the year where he was really cranking up the numbers.

[Jason Moore]

50 receptions, that's where it's going to come down.

[Mike Wright]

That's awesome. When he was not really the full time guy until the last quarter of the season. And then on top of that, only three rushing touchdowns. So running back 15, he had three receiving touchdowns as well, but only three rushing touchdowns which if he is the primary guy that easily goes up. I mean Jordan Howard was a, was a rushing touchdown machine to start out the year. So I will buy, I will buy that he could be a top 12 guy. I think there, it will still be a committee, but I, it wouldn't surprise me if that committee heading into the year is. It's like it's Sanders and Boston Scott.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I agree with what Andy said earlier. This line of saying top 12 is perfect. Yeah, I went and I looked at, okay, top 12 running backs. What does that take? What you know, how many carries do top 12 running backs get pretty much across the board. You need, you need 200 plus carries. Unless you are Austin Eckler with 132 carries get done.

[Jason Moore]

That did go into my head though. The Austin Eckler line as the template for top 12 for miles Sanders. The passing game work.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I just don't. I mean Austin Eckler was 108 targets that, you know, absurd. That's not happening for Miles Sanders. I'm going to sell here because what I care about is the start of the season next year. Now for dynasty purposes long term, I think he's a very solid back. He's young, he's talented. I like the Eagles offense, I like Carson Wentz and a healthy crew around him to be a top half offense. So I'm, I'm pro Miles Sanders, but I do believe that they will have another back there. I think Boston Scott played his way into a relevant role. Allah that Darren Sproul's role and I think it'll be too much of a committee for me to project him as a top 12 back. But the touchdown argument that Mike brings up is a really solid one because Jordan Howard was a touchdown machine.

[Jason Moore]

And that brings to mind like who they sign matters. Like they're going to. It's not going to be like, I don't. I'm sure you weren't inferring just those two. Like there's going to be more pieces of the backfield. Miles Sanders in this extended improved workload over the back half of the year got hurt twice like two different times. So it just validates this thing that Doug Peterson's reiterated before that it's a, you know, it's a grueling position. You know his quote, I believe the National Football League Season is a grueling, grinding season, particularly on running backs. And if you don't have a couple of guys you can hang your hat on, it's hard to get through a season. If you bring in a guy that's going to take the goal line, that says a lot. You know, that changes the projection to me.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. If they were to say, re sign Jordan Howard now that he had his injury, that his free agent market might not be that hot, maybe they're able to resign him. We've seen him play that touchdown role in this offense. I would expect that to continue.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it'll be very interesting going in next year to see what they do at the running back position. They obviously drafted him with high draft stock, so it means a lot. All right. By the way, buy or sell, Buy or sell. Brought to you by Pristine Auction. If you don't know what Pristine Auction is, it's a sports memorabilia website where you can bid on and get great deals on hundreds of awesome sports memorabilia auctions each and every day. And they've upped their game. If you go to pristineauction.com you register with the code Ballers, they're giving you a $10 credit.

[Andy Holloway]

That's. That's so cool because we talk about all the time like, hey, this, we just got this jersey for $55 over prestige, but then it's like, it's $10 off that. That's crazy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So you can always. And every day the auctions turn over and there are different sports memorabilia deals.

[Mike Wright]

And every day in this studio, Brooks, our fearless producer, he's always putting new jerseys up on the wall. Kyle Rudolph, great friend of the show. I didn't even know we had a cool.

[Jason Moore]

I should have used his intro. You don't get that chance a lot. That's why he's on the wall.

[Mike Wright]

Playoff game winner.

[Jason Moore]

He had the most emphatic, exciting intro. Remember that?

[Mike Wright]

Hi, this is Kyle Rudolph and you're listening to the Fantasy footballers podcast. That's how he celebrated.

[Jason Moore]

That's.

[Mike Wright]

So after the touchdown, you're right.

[Andy Holloway]

He said, I'm Kyle Rudolph. I have scored a football touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

He actually was juiced up when they talked to him after the game was over.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. They kept asking him if the play was drawn up for him and he was dodging it. Like it was a, like, are you going to be back next year? Question. It was like, just say yes. It was drawn up for you, Kyle. Like, it's about the team. It's about the team. I'm like, you lined up on a 5 foot Williams over there. It was drawn up for you. Take credit. All right, you can check that out. Pristineauction.com let's talk news.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

So this weekend they played some playoff football.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

And incredible games. Buffalo, Houston. Houston won in overtime. Tennessee, New England. The dynasty. Is it over? Tennessee wins the game.

[Andy Holloway]

I can answer that for you. No.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, really?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, okay.

[Andy Holloway]

The dynasty is not over.

[Jason Moore]

That means it is because whatever you say about the Patriots is the opposite.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I did have Tennessee winning this game, so hashtag not true.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, fair enough. Minnesota, New Orleans, overtime game. Minnesota. Kyle rudolph on top. 26:20, which was a shocker.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And then Seattle, Philadelphia. Mike and I were talking about this yesterday. Seattle wins the game 17 to 9. Carson Wentz goes out after four passes, and yet Seattle hangs on by one score. So I, you know, who knows what happens if Carson Wentz is healthy for this game or what the future holds for Seattle. But I managed, gentlemen, to go.

[Andy Holloway]

They said it couldn't be done.

[Jason Moore]

They said it couldn't be done. They said it shouldn't be done. We filled out our brackets last week. We mentioned it on the show. I managed to go over four this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Well done. Well done.

[Jason Moore]

I had Buffalo, New England, New Orleans and Philadelphia winning this weekend.

[Mike Wright]

If for those like, well, that's. That's pathetic. Like going on for is equally as hard as going four and oh, it's an impressive. It is.

[Andy Holloway]

Now to your defense, two of these games were overtime games and then Carson.

[Jason Moore]

Got knocked out of the other one, too.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, these were. These were really hard.

[Jason Moore]

And Tennessee, New England was 14, 13. I mean, I know that, you know, that game was narrow. That being said, my brackets in better shape than both of your guys's brackets.

[Andy Holloway]

I lost my super bowl champion Saints.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I have stupid Will Lutz make the field. Go.

[Mike Wright]

You'll be quiet. Score, baby. Let's go.

[Jason Moore]

I have none of these teams that won. Moving on. So my divisional or my conference championships are intact. But yeah, that was, that was impressive. After I went over two on the first day, I was telling these guys, I'm like, yeah, I can do it, guys.

[Mike Wright]

So Saturday. Saturday for me was just the. The range of emotions that I went through on that day were unhealthy to say the least.

[Jason Moore]

I can't believe how into this Buffalo Houston game you were. You said you were full on like fury tilting.

[Mike Wright]

I have completely turned on Buff. Like they earned my respect over the course of the season I was in.

[Jason Moore]

I wanted them in this game, they.

[Mike Wright]

Were up 16, nothing, nothing. And then the team just farted everywhere like they couldn't stop anal leakage happening.

[Jason Moore]

Whoa.

[Mike Wright]

Because this was it. You were up 16, nothing, and then just went full turtle. They kept giving the ball to Frank Gore.

[Jason Moore]

That's what you couldn't handle, the wasting opportunities.

[Mike Wright]

Frank Gore had one good run. Great, great. He also had eight runs of two or fewer yards, which would destroying your team.

[Andy Holloway]

While Singletary looked great.

[Mike Wright]

He looked fantastic. And then they went into, like this prevent defense. I don't know. I turned on the entire team. So I hate. Like Sean McDermott. I hate you again.

[Andy Holloway]

You are.

[Mike Wright]

I hate.

[Jason Moore]

He did turn all the way. I mean, Josh Allen managed to lose 30 yards in two plays.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, my goodness.

[Jason Moore]

Unbelievable.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it was poorly coached, poorly handled. I was absolutely furious after wanting them to win.

[Jason Moore]

I'm telling you, this. This is why having the home game in the playoffs matters. Right before this game.

[Mike Wright]

Well, it also. Superpowers of DeSean Watson, where two NFL players hit him at the same time. I've seen that split a man in half. But into Sean Watson, he bounced out of it.

[Andy Holloway]

When I was watching that play, I almost shielded my eyes for what was about to happen to deshaun Watson. I don't remember a sack that was that hard. A guy full sprint and another guy on the other side sandwich him. And then it wasn't a sack. He goes, throws the ball.

[Mike Wright]

It was crazy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Unbelievable. But then I got to recover from that because I had. I had trolled the Patriot fans with a Tom Brady's own tweet. If I don't know if you saw. I had seen it where Tom Brady tweeted. It was a very inspirational video. The lion video. We're gonna win. And I tweeted how embarrassing it will be to lose to Ryan Tannehill. And it. It caught a little bit of virality. So, like, people who don't follow me or the show were showing up. The Patriot fans, you know, doing their thing.

[Jason Moore]

That's the sound they make.

[Andy Holloway]

You're dumb.

[Mike Wright]

They're gonna lose. They're gonna win. We're the Patriots. And then they lost. And I got to go back to every single one of their tweets.

[Jason Moore]

So Mike had a very petty Saturday. Oh, that's what I learned.

[Mike Wright]

It was unbelievable, because everyone who is not a Patriots fan who was following that thread, they're with you.

[Andy Holloway]

They will.

[Mike Wright]

They were with me till the end. Everyone was having a great time, except for Patriot fans.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you've had a great time for A while. Patriot fans.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So let's turn this to fantasy for a second though, because when you think about New England and we got a dynasty this or that on the show today, first tell me whether you think Brady's back and then second, tell me how you evaluate, like, you know, valuable pieces in the Patriots offense. Edelman, Harry White, Michelle, you know, how do you think about these players moving forward? I think that's, you know, anytime you go into the off season, you're thinking about the draft, you're thinking about keepers, you're looking at stability. Right now you don't have that because stability just means Brady comes back on an offense that struggled over the back half of the year or he doesn't come back. So how are you even thinking about the Patriots offense for?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, I believe Tom Brady will be back. He doesn't seem like he's going to retire. I think he'll be in the NFL and he'll almost certainly then be a Patriot. If he's back though, I mean, you can't trust any of the weapons right now. Brady didn't look special this season. He looked like an older quarterback who knows the game well because that's what he is at this point in his career. And Julian Edelman going into next year, if he's back and the wide receiving core is somewhat the same, I'll be in on him to start the year. Whether he'll be able to hold up or not is a completely legitimate question, but I don't think you can trust any of the running backs in the running game. It's just too difficult to know what they're going to do. James White, maybe if you want that somewhat mediocre, somewhat successful week in and week out play.

[Mike Wright]

What about Harry Nikhil? Harry started, he started getting more, more work as the.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not going to be in.

[Mike Wright]

That stinks.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think that that's the big question mark is Harry and his potential.

[Mike Wright]

He was a first round pick.

[Andy Holloway]

He's great. I think he's a. But I just don't know that it's going to.

[Jason Moore]

I think Harry's going to be okay. I think Harry's going to be okay because I don't really trust or believe Edelman's future is very secure. We're already dealing with a player that you know will go down with injury or play through it. You know, he did both of those things this year. Each and every year he was a dominant first half guy. You gotta imagine a healthy Julian Edelman and Tom Brady score more than 13 points against the Titans on the, you know, at home that you know or can overcome Miami and never have to play the Titans in this matchup.

[Mike Wright]

So yeah, the Ryan's took care of business.

[Jason Moore]

Oh gosh, yes. They. Brady went down to Fitzpatrick and Tannehill. Wow.

[Mike Wright]

Daniel with his what, like 76 passing yards.

[Jason Moore]

But Harry projects to be the one in that offense for the. For some time to come is the way I look at it.

[Mike Wright]

So it's going to be interesting.

[Jason Moore]

So when you look at him and you look at DK Metcalf, I mean how do you evaluate moving forward Right now obviously Metcalf gets the nod. He's got a stable quarterback, shares the field with Tyler Lockett, low passing volume. I think Harry's going to be okay. Like in a dynasty league today. Would you rather have Edelman or would you rather have Harry in a draft?

[Mike Wright]

Harry?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I agree.

[Jason Moore]

So it'll be interesting to see if Brady comes back and then how we project those players out. Couple other things I wanted to talk about coaching news wise. Jason Garrett was fired in the most.

[Mike Wright]

Bizarre fashion of all time. Where he was, it was reported he was fired. Then he wasn't fired. But they were already interviewing new head coaching.

[Andy Holloway]

But Garrett had not accepted his firing. He's like, nope, I'm not fired. Called it.

[Jason Moore]

See as a. Jason, you're a squatters, right? You're like a non confrontational dude, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

And this came across as like a non confrontational situation where eventually they, they like mirrored Garrett's office in one of those like pods and then once he got in it, they just drove it away.

[Andy Holloway]

This is a full.

[Jason Moore]

Like they didn't, they didn't actually tell him he's fired. He just opened the pod later on and he was in the middle of a forest.

[Mike Wright]

Why am I in New Jersey?

[Jason Moore]

Mm, if he does, maybe New York.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. If he doesn't get the Giants job, I fully expect him to show up back in Dallas. Back in Dallas. Just to work free of charge. A full, you know, stapler situation.

[Mike Wright]

Hey guys.

[Jason Moore]

So Mike McCarthy is the new head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

[Mike Wright]

Cool.

[Jason Moore]

Might keep Kellen Moore around, but that wouldn't really be in a play calling capacity if he did because McCarthy calls the plays and he's most certainly one is going to want a staple on this team to begin.

[Mike Wright]

So we shall see. There was an inter or an article going around how McCarthy he got the job because he's allegedly has spent the off season really, really diving into the new trends of the NFL.

[Jason Moore]

Is it Wrong. That I feel like that's like my grandpa going to the iPad classes. I mean, I just don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

He went to the Genius Bar, for sure.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, I just don't know how much you can pull off.

[Andy Holloway]

I make a slideshow.

[Mike Wright]

He's like, have you seen my Apple watch?

[Jason Moore]

Is that how he got the job?

[Mike Wright]

That's how he got it. I'm very hip with the kids.

[Jason Moore]

Hold on, Jerry. Let me take my heart rate one second.

[Mike Wright]

I'm Siri. What place should I call?

[Jason Moore]

Mike and I were trying to. We were sitting around trying to figure out, like, there are many cases where the second go round has worked out for head coaches like Bill Belichick going from Cleveland, you know, Pete Carroll from New York to Seattle. But those have all been in those situations where, you know, short runs in the first place, land in the second place, find a quarterback, get it done. Look, you had a. You had a quarterback in Green Bay.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You had a good one, and you had a really long run. And these double situations where you move on, you know, they have a great team. Like, If I'm Mike McCarthy, this is the one I want. I mean, I want to go to Dallas, be handed the keys to, you know, elite talent across the board on offense. When you're an offensive mind, they got.

[Mike Wright]

Some contractual situations to figure out here.

[Jason Moore]

Find that money.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they will pay everyone, and everyone will stay that genuinely. Like, I think Cooper will be there, Dak will be there, Zeke will be there, Gallup will be. They're all going to get paid somehow. That's what happens in the NFL. They work their magic and move money around and then somehow have the money to pay. I think Mike McCarthy is going to do well here. I think this is great news for Ezekiel Elliott. This isn't a team. You know, he's going to use him a lot. And even though he's trying to be new school, you know, he's. He's the, I think, the centerpiece of this offense. And I actually think Mike McCarthy is not a bad hire. Like, he gets so much blame for the end of the run with the Packers.

[Mike Wright]

You're talking about the now 13 and 3 number, number 2 seed Green Bay Packers.

[Andy Holloway]

But he gets none of the credit for all of the good years with the Packers. Right. It's. It was all Aaron Rodgers is why they were good, and it's all Mike McCarthy why they were bad. But that just doesn't seem fair.

[Mike Wright]

It's probably not.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's probably not, but it's fun. McCarthy it's true he could stabilize things for a while, but I feel like that's literally Jason Garrett's best feature is stabilization. Yeah, I. I will see how it goes. I think the hardest thing for fantasy purposes is here you are for like a third time evaluating Zeke's passing game chops and what's going to happen. Right. Like, you know, we got a new offensive coordinator this past year and you didn't see those type of top end performances from Zeke on the basis of high target, high passing game volume like you had the year before. And now you've got a new head coach coming in. It's not like you're not drafting Zeke, but it's still something to be said about, you know, does he belong at number two behind Christian McCaffrey?

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

And that'll depend on his passing game involvement. To me.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I still think one of, if not our most important show every off season is the coaching changes episode. Because right now, you know, look, I have not spent the last month researching Mike McCarthy's history again, reminding me of his play calling and all of that. But by the time we come around to the head coaching changes, we will have deep dived all of these coaches, their tendencies and be able to project, I think, you know, pretty accurately the way forward for these teams.

[Jason Moore]

His targets went from 95 down to 71. There is actually, if you had spent more time in the Museum of Natural History, Jason, there is a McCarthy exhibit back towards the back. So you could have maybe done a deep dive while you were there.

[Andy Holloway]

I was inside for a solid 18 minutes.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my gosh.

[Andy Holloway]

Peace.

[Mike Wright]

Peace Museums. I don't see any buttons. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Mike Rule, or I'm sorry, Matt Rule, head coach of the new head. Go to the Panthers. This just broke. I mean, this morning, we're recording this Tuesday morning, all, like, signs pointed towards Rule being the primary target of the New York Giants. And all of a sudden the Panthers just hire him and then it was murder. Oh, gosh.

[Mike Wright]

I'm here for all job rules.

[Jason Moore]

I know you are.

[Mike Wright]

This is your fault, dude.

[Andy Holloway]

This is my credit. I get credit for this.

[Jason Moore]

But now the Giants apparently will consider Jason Garrett.

[Andy Holloway]

They have had a. Apparently they want to go revenge mode. I think they've got a long history of believing in him as a coach and being on one of their short lists. So it'll be interesting to see how it goes. But I mean, really, would. Would Jason Garrett be. I feel like you just brought it up, right? What's his strength is like state a stabilizing force. Right.

[Jason Moore]

15 year commitments available.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what the Giants need. They need a stable. You know what I mean? Like, I wasn't, you know, all about them bringing in a college coach. They just need. They need mediocrity right now. They need an 8 and 8 season. Like this is where. That's the way up.

[Jason Moore]

Doug Peterson is going to keep winning this division.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Because you've got the stabilizers all around Garrett. If it's Garrett, McCarthy and Rivera, Jason Garrett, like those are not.

[Mike Wright]

Is to your coach position. He's prevent defense to your coach position. You're trying to not lose. Go try to win the game.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know. They might settle for not losing in New York.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I don't know. We'll see what happens. I don't know how much I buy into the fact he's going to swoop right back into that division.

[Mike Wright]

Garrett and Gettleman.

[Jason Moore]

But it would be.

[Mike Wright]

Give it to me. I need it.

[Jason Moore]

We can root for a couple things here on the show. We can root for fantasy success. We can root for comedic value.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

And I think that's the one we're going for in New York.

[Mike Wright]

Garrett and Gase hanging out in New York.

[Andy Holloway]

That is. That is a true yin and yang, because Garrett is. Say what you will, Garrett is a super nice guy, like very, you know, a people person that everybody who knows him loves him. And Gase is something else. He's the Yang to the end.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we're doing a this or that. Zach Rule Dynasty edition. I almost made that joke, Mike, but I didn't want to bring it back up.

[Andy Holloway]

Murder.

[Jason Moore]

All right, so what we're doing here, we're doing this or that. These are players that are back to back in early off season. Dynasty, Startup average draft position. That was a mouthful. So these are guys that are very closely ranked right now in Dynasty, Dynasty, startup leagues this or that. Who would you rather have in a Dynasty edition? Joe Mixon, Cincinnati Bengals running back, or Jacksonville's Leonard Fournette? Okay, Joe Mixon is. He's got him. He's a year younger. We saw Fournette as one of the most consistent producers in fantasy over the last or over the whole season. But over the back half of the year, Joe Mixon was just incredible from week, you know, eight on. Really? So Dynasty wise, who would you rather have?

[Andy Holloway]

Dynasty wise, I feel like Leonard Fournette is 24 going on 38. I don't know if either of you two feel like this but he doesn't. I mean, 24 is a great age for, you know, a dynasty asset that is a young.

[Jason Moore]

As opposed to like you're 37 going on 38.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

And you know, I feel like Leonard Fournette just seems like he has so many more miles and wear and tear on the body. You know, a workhorse in college, has been a workhorse in the NFL, has dealt with injury at every single level.

[Jason Moore]

I think that that's what makes you feel that way. I don't think you feel that way. If he hasn't gone through the injury bumps and bruises before this past season, which he did hold up for the most part. So. But I mean, that's why I feel that way. I feel like he's just been a grinder.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm very confident that by the time that Leonard Fournette retires, his beard will be full gray. It will be a.

[Jason Moore]

Well, on that basis then in a dynasty league, he's around a while, right?

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, no, that's two years from now.

[Jason Moore]

So for what it's worth, Leonard Fournette has fewer NFL carries than Joe Mixon does. Leonard Fournette has 666 career carries. Joe Mixon has 693. So it's perception is not reality there. From an actual workload standpoint, he is one year older. And I'd rather have Joe Mixon. I mean, that Joe Mixon showed the top side on a bad team. He was the RB4 over the last eight games. And to me, you know, between film age and that type of top end upside on a horrible team, like Joe Mixon is the guy for me, like, I think Mixon's a great dynasty for me.

[Mike Wright]

It they're both in a contract year of 2020. I can't recall exactly what happened to Fournette's contract because a bunch of weird things happen where, yeah, they could just let him go. His guaranteed money was, was cut. But I mean he was a first round pick, so he should have that fifth year option. I think the fifth year option is still there. So it wouldn't technically be a contract year for Fournette, but like to me it's. Who's more likely to get a second year or get that. That next contract of substantial value. And I think it's Joe Mixon at this point. So he's the guy I would rather have.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think both players will get another contract, whether it's with their same team or elsewhere. They're talented runners, but I'm, you know, in agreement with you two, Joe Mixon is the player I'd rather have. He is a year younger. And if you look at their two opportunities and you say, okay, which team? The Bengals were so bad this year, and I think that they have, you know, the ability to get better as a team, whereas Jacksonville, the wheels are falling off and it seems like they're going to want and maybe need some changes.

[Mike Wright]

100 targets.

[Jason Moore]

That's the thing that's so crazy. He had more than twice as many targets as Joe Mixon over the course of the year.

[Mike Wright]

That's wild.

[Andy Holloway]

And that is what I think is going to end up changing. Leonard Fournette is not a specialist as a receiving back. You can see that when you watch the games. That's not to say he. I mean, he clearly got that role on lockdown this year. But the other running backs that were there, I mean, this is why going into the season, this was like the best argument for Leonard Fournette this last year is that it was only his show. They got rid of TJ Yeldin and didn't really replace him. So everything was Leonard Fournettes. Well, going into next year, I think that. I don't think it will only be Leonard Fournette. I think they're going to say, we need a little bit more depth here and bring someone else in. Whereas, you know, you had Giovanni Bernard, you know, back there with Joe Mixon.

[Mike Wright]

So if Leonard Fournet get an extension.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't remember. I know there were talks, but if you have Leonard Fournette losing.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Geo's there for a couple years, chunk of the receiving work, then I think next year, just next year. While these, you know, not the future. I think Joe Mixon will have a better year than Leonard Fournette. And then you've got a guy who's younger. So I'm on the Joe Mixon side.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Are you on the mixing side too, then?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Cortland Sutton or Stefan Diggs? Dynasty this or that. Cortland Sutton or Stefan Diggs? You know, Diggs has had the obviously more productive career thus far. Sutton is younger and, you know, it was just in his second season. It seems like Drew Locke is going to be the quarterback in Denver for the time being. We know Kirk Cousins is the quarterback in Minnesota. We know Stefan Diggs has, I think, garnered eye rolls from at least Mike and I. Yeah. With his behavior when the team is.

[Mike Wright]

You're winning a playoff game and you're mad, you're not getting targets.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And they were 4 and 2 I think when he was whining about his targets in the regular season, I want.

[Mike Wright]

I would want targets, too. But you're winning a playoff game, and that's. That's a tough situation to be complaining in.

[Jason Moore]

So where do you weigh in here? Last year, Sutton was 72 for 1112 yards, six touchdowns, 125 targets. Diggs was 63 for 11, 30 and six very similar stat lines.

[Andy Holloway]

From a dynasty perspective, I am definitely on the Cortland Sutton side.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

I think that he is the clear one for his team. Whereas Diggs, you know, if Adam Thielen is around, is who's the one? Is it Thielen? Is it Diggs? There's always that debate, but he is not the clear number one. Obviously, he's got a better quarterback situation with Kirk Cousins, but with Cortland Sutton, you saw him this year, through a myriad of quarterbacks, outperform Stefan Diggs this season, and that was in his sophomore year. He's two years younger. He was drafted to be a star, and we saw plenty of flashes of that. I'm taking my shot at having that number one beast, wide receiver. I don't think you're ever going to get that from Stefon Diggs. And Diggs historically has been very difficult for fantasy. You know, you bring up Amari Cooper as one of these guys, that hurts you a lot. Diggs is not a guy whose consistency helps in fantasy. He wins you a couple weeks, but he's also. He does a great job of just disappearing.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't have wanted him this past year. And I know we'll talk about Truth, the Truth episodes coming up next week, and we'll talk about wide receivers, but I'd much have rather preferred Sutton, you know, this past year, I think.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Stefan Diggs, Amari Cooper is a great comp to bring up. He's just words. It's maddening because Stefan Diggs, his ability to create separation is elite in the NFL. But then you're like, here's the first three games for Stefan Diggs, wide receiver, 70, 43, 83. And I mean, like, that part of that is the. Was the play calling of Minnesota at the beginning of the year. But it's.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, even when I got turned, that's.

[Mike Wright]

All built into Stefan Diggs.

[Andy Holloway]

Even when that got turned around and, you know, Starting in week six, he was the wide receiver one, six and 15. You're like, oh, okay, he's back. It's back. He's a guaranteed mainstay in my lineup. The next couple of weeks. Wide receiver, 81 and 44. He's just always been very inconsistent as a, you know, as a week in, a week out starter. So I'm going to take the shot at the, at the. I think the.

[Mike Wright]

Sutton could become.

[Andy Holloway]

The upside of Sutton is much higher than the upside of Diggs. Although Sutton's floor could still be, you know, this could have been a one year wonder. I don't believe that. But that is within the range of possible outcomes for Sutton.

[Jason Moore]

They're both so young. So it's like if you, if you drop Stefan Diggs into a high target situation, I think he could, you know, he's the kind of player that can lead the league in receptions. He could lead the league in, in yards.

[Mike Wright]

Like that's why it's maddening.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's all there.

[Mike Wright]

But, but I mean in Stefan Diggs is. He'll be a Viking.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

For the foreseeable future.

[Jason Moore]

All right, this or that. Tight ends Hunter Henry or Darren Waller. So this reminds me of Goo Goo Clusters. Dare we take a break? Yeah, let's take a. Brooks, can we take a little. Honestly, if two of you talk. Two of us talk. The other can eat the Goo Goo Cluster.

[Andy Holloway]

You guys.

[Jason Moore]

Hashtag. Not a sponsor, by the way, just yet. Delicious. Yeah. Come on, man, reach out. You don't think we want a Goo Goo themed segment on this show?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Where we just talk about Darren Waller.

[Jason Moore]

We're willing to make the change. No, Listen, Waller is 27. Henry is 25, but has a bit of the Leonard Fournette, you know, feeling about him.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't worry about either of the ages because when it comes to tight ends, a good quality tight end, he could play into his mid-30s just fine. So 27. He's two years older than Hunter Henry, but I don't think the age should be the deal breaker here.

[Jason Moore]

I'm walrus here pretty firmly because when I'm looking at tight end and predictability and the onslaught that we have every year of, you know, not knowing who's going to be there, be stable. Look, is Darren Waller going to be what he was through the first three weeks of the season every week? I don't think that's the future. But here's what I know. He got paid money, he's hyper, athletic and involved in the passing game and his head coach is going to be there for a while and knows how to use them. And he's the. And he's a huge fan of him. So do I know Anthony Lynn's Going to be the Chargers coach. I would almost bet money he won't be after next year.

[Mike Wright]

Is Hunter Henry going to be a Charger next year?

[Jason Moore]

Exactly. And then, you know, even the river situation, maybe he is a Charger, but Rivers turns over and yes, Derek Carr could go goodbye right now too. But I see a little bit more stability on what I've seen from Waller. He was healthy for the duration this season. We had another season of Hunter Henry being hurt to begin it after missing a season. I am, you know, and then Waller puts up 90 receptions. I'm in on Walrus.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, this was a pretty easy Hunter Henry for me at first because he's been, you know, more productive career wise per game wise. You have the issues with Darren Waller of he was really successful for fantasy when he was the guy but as soon as any other wide receiver emerged, you know, then all of a sudden his targets evaporated and I think they're going to bring someone else in. But you make a really good point, Andy and that, you know, Gruden wants an offense. He said this. His offense runs through the tight end position. And you see that because it's not just the Waller.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. You have Justin Moreau.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. You know, and so I do like the known commodity of Waller going forward. I think the ceiling is higher on Henry and I would, I think I would lean Henry here because wherever he is, he's going to be paid to be a passing weapon. But it's, it's close and there's less risk with Waller other than you do have to factor in the risk of, you know, he's been a repeat offender before for substance abuse and we've, you know, you have to factor that in when looking at the dynasty outlooks of if something happens again, it's going to be a long term suspension.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I like Waller Henry thus far in his four year NFL career he's played in 64% of possible games. It's close. Mike, do you, do you side on the age? You know, you get a couple years.

[Mike Wright]

With Henry, the age and the ceiling like the things that Hunter Henry.

[Jason Moore]

Do you really think his ceiling is higher than Waller's?

[Mike Wright]

I do.

[Jason Moore]

So give me that season then because I mean obviously Waller went out, Waller went out and put up last year 94 over 1100.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

And three, if anything I would say Waller underwhelmed touchdown wise. For a big guy that could go up in that department, he certainly did three touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

But I don't, it just doesn't seem like that high end touchdown season is in the range of outcomes to me for Darren Waller. He's a PPR guy and shockingly like when I would watch him, he doesn't play big. And for a guy who's as fast as he is, he gets caught.

[Jason Moore]

But do you really want, don't you want the PPR now nowadays in the tight end position where you know, if Henry doesn't get into the end zone, he had a couple weeks at the end of the year that we projected great games.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

He ends up outside the top 40 because he doesn't get in the end zone where Waller. He never had a week all year out outside the what, 22?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I'm just saying philosophically. I wonder what I'm looking at anymore. Am I just looking to get the Gronkian like Henry's more like what Gronk would be. Right. And that's potential of a 10, 11, 12 touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

The hunter Henry next year could have double digit touchdowns. I think he's had horrifically bad luck with his health.

[Andy Holloway]

That's.

[Mike Wright]

That is a big red flag because I mean it's. It's been many, many years now of, of Hunter Henry's body just seems like it doesn't want to play in the NFL. But when he has been on the field, he has been electric doing things that very few tight ends have ever done at that age. So I'll still go in on Hunter.

[Andy Holloway]

Hearing, hearing all these different sides of these two players. I think Andy has swayed me. I think I am on the Darren Waller side. I think the consistency with targets fundamentally right now, if you're in any kind of half point or full point PPR league, I think is what I'm looking for at my tight end position. I just want it to be safer. Be just safe. Plug it, you know, it's like it's a stop gap. And then put all of my great.

[Mike Wright]

Resources into which is wild because I bet you if you have Hunter Henry right now, I bet you could go flip him for Darren Waller.

[Andy Holloway]

Plus great.

[Jason Moore]

Really.

[Mike Wright]

I think you can in a dynasty.

[Jason Moore]

League, sell the youth.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. If you are on the Darren Waller side, I think you can make get that happening.

[Jason Moore]

It's interesting. Waller was kind of, I think scaring people towards the end and then ended on a pretty strong note. It'd be tough. I wouldn't trade him, but. All right. Dynasty this or that. Baker Mayfield or Jared Goff?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

Baker Mayfield or Jared Goff? I don't think you even think about the age side of things here. It doesn't really matter they're both what they're about a year apart. But young quarterbacks, we've seen the ups and downs. I don't know how I wouldn't take Jared Goff.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, this is an easy golf for me. I mean, I think the rationale for taking Baker here is, again, based on the upside. The what could be, you know, if he's got a healthy Odell Beckham and they figure it out, you know, maybe it was a coaching problem we saw. I mean, there was a reason why coming into this season, Baker was either the fourth or fifth quarterback taken off the board.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my.

[Mike Wright]

It was insane.

[Andy Holloway]

But those reasons.

[Jason Moore]

Regrets for some of you out there.

[Andy Holloway]

Those reasons, I think, still are there for some people. And you hope that he turns around, becomes the next stage of the rookie Baker that we saw. But Jared Goff's already been a really good quarterback. He's got a monster contract. He's with Sean McVeigh. I'm definitely on the Jared Goff side here.

[Mike Wright]

Man.

[Jason Moore]

Remember how terrified we were to make Baker Mayfield bust in the udk? Like, I remember literally sitting around going, like, okay, yes, we believe this, but is this worth putting down on paper? Like. Cause what if it goes the. Like, is it worth it to us?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, well.

[Andy Holloway]

And he was the first to.

[Jason Moore]

Is the risk worth it?

[Andy Holloway]

You know, the quarterbacks are at the top. You go to. You go to the bus page, and the first thing is Baker Mayfield bus. And it was like, ooh, that feels bad.

[Jason Moore]

Everyone loves the risk.

[Andy Holloway]

It worked.

[Jason Moore]

So what do you think, Mike? Because it is a bit of a seen versus unseen, right? We. I think we understand what the Jared Goff experience is in the NFL, and it can be really great, but generally, we look at Goff as a situational start. Do you think Baker can get to the point where he is an every week type of start because of weapons or you know, who comes into Cleveland?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, man, I wish we knew who that coach was going to be. Because a great head coach hired Freddie Mercury.

[Jason Moore]

Mercury.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Because a great offensive mind goes into Cleveland. I will try not to overreact, but I'll be very excited again for Baker Mayfield. What? Good Baker is better than good Jared Goff. To me, I don't know that Baker can get to the point where he is consistent and stable the entire time. And, like, I feel like we've now seen.

[Jason Moore]

Look, ifs and buts were candy and nuts, the Browns would be in the playoffs. Mike.

[Mike Wright]

No, I totally get that, but we've seen peak Jared Goff that I feel pretty Confident in. We've seen the high end of Jared Goff. Now he. Jared Goff is never going to be that top five guy on a weekly basis.

[Jason Moore]

Sure, I agree with that. He will not be top five on a weekly basis.

[Mike Wright]

And they both can put up numbers against bad defenses. So similar to the Stefan Diggs, Cortland Sutton thing. I'm. I hate, I hate my. All of my answers just being, oh, I'm going to chase the upside here of Dynasty because it's almost revealing. Smart.

[Jason Moore]

It's revealing some of our strategic differences though, isn't it?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm back to back Dynasty champ over here.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, you're a former Dynasty champ, right?

[Jason Moore]

Right before you.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, right before me. And then I took the last two. Now, Mike, you were in the championship a couple times, right?

[Mike Wright]

I was, yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you win either of those?

[Mike Wright]

No, I did not.

[Jason Moore]

But you are the most proud a person can be of back to back silver medals. Like you almost.

[Mike Wright]

That's right.

[Andy Holloway]

He was. Mike, like if you were in there.

[Jason Moore]

A third straight championship game, would you have wanted the silver for the.

[Mike Wright]

I can look. Yes. You got to take second place because it's great.

[Andy Holloway]

A little inside was constantly. As soon as I got in the championship, he was calling us both. We're both in the Two Metal club. Because you have two silvers.

[Mike Wright]

Was I correct?

[Andy Holloway]

You are not correct.

[Jason Moore]

They don't make silver. Sorry, nobody prints those. We're not going to fantasyjams.com to get. Just fill it up with second place.

[Mike Wright]

You tell that to the Olympians silver medals, because that's basically what I am.

[Jason Moore]

An Olympian. Yes, you are a fantasy Olympian. I am going to officially vote Goff here. Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, Goff.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to take Baker.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. All right. Let's take a couple minutes for some mailbag before we close things out.

[Andy Holloway]

Mailbag? Mail bag. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Gold medal mailbag. Man, oh, man, that's true.

[Jason Moore]

Feeling so good about your silvers. If you have a question for the podcast, great time to submit them, go to the website, click the Submit a question button, or you can dial our voicemail hotline, 302-464-TFFB. And here's what's great. The Thursday episode. We've got an AMA fantasy footballers. AMA this time of year. Perfect for it. Ask us any and all questions that you got. We'll talk about them on the show. I think it was a huge hit last year. Brooks. Yes, sir. There you go.

[Andy Holloway]

We got it from the horse's mouth. It indeed was, sir.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, sir. All right, this question Comes from Twitter. Where should devonte Parker be drafted if Fitz Magic isn't the quarterback to start the season? That's like saying. I mean, I can't answer that if I don't know who his quarterback is, to be honest with you.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, well, here's the deal. If it's not Fitz Magic, then I think we can, at least with some semblance of confidence, say then it's a rookie. Because, yes, they're not going to go in and get some other vet to come. Josh Rosen isn't even going to be part of that team. They're either going to draft a guy who ends up playing his way in week one or FitzMagic, I believe, will be that guy.

[Jason Moore]

So if Fitz is the guy, he's a top 10 for me.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, but this question is. Let's say he's not. So you've got a rookie in there that makes a huge impact wide receiver low into. Yeah, I was going to say like 24, which is the lowest in two.

[Jason Moore]

You can be Miami. Listen up. Draft two at five, sit him and play fits for one more year. Trust the process, get to a healthy, get him a year of experience on an NFL bench slash practice field. Let Fitzmagic run the show again. All the devonte Parker owners sing and dance in the streets for a year and then bring TUA in next season. That's what I think the script should be and I think there's a pretty high probability it will be that.

[Mike Wright]

Yep, I agree.

[Jason Moore]

All right, Zach. In Virginia this year we witnessed Derek Henry and devonte Parker finally live up to the hype with more coaches willing to build their offensive schemes around specific talents of their players. Is there anybody currently languishing in mediocrity that you could see emerging as an elite talent next season? I think you saw all of that play out with Joe Mixon during the year. So languishing first half, build around second half. So I guess he's kind of done that. But I think that he's a good example of a team adjusting, making him the focus. You guys have anybody top of mind here when you think of languishing?

[Andy Holloway]

I mean the languishing part is what makes it hard. Like you've got the Devon Singletary's, Debo Samuels, the guys that they weren't really languishing but they, they have not officially broken out yet because they didn't have a prolonged starting role for the season. But those are the first two guys that come to mind of could really take that leap.

[Mike Wright]

Robbie Anderson Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a good one.

[Mike Wright]

But that would. Because he's escaping the clutches of Adam Gase and the New York Jets.

[Jason Moore]

Do you think he can go somewhere and have an offense built around him, though?

[Mike Wright]

I think he can.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man. I do not. I don't think. I don't look at him. I don't think he's going to make more money than. Probably make less than what Tyrell got on the open market. Tyrell made a.

[Mike Wright]

Had a pretty decent contract, though.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. But I mean, did you think that the Raiders are going to build around Tyrell?

[Mike Wright]

No. Because they also traded for Antonio Brown.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Look, I don't want to take anything away from.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a good comeback.

[Jason Moore]

They traded for him, but then. Did Brown play for them?

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Did they build their offense around Tyrell Williams? Did he show himself capable of.

[Mike Wright]

I didn't think it would. I did think it would shift to that.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

He doesn't all of a sudden become that guy.

[Jason Moore]

Generally free agent wide receivers of that type, you certainly don't bring them in to be your one.

[Mike Wright]

I get it. Free agency for wide receivers. It's a more miss than it is.

[Jason Moore]

It's more of a miss proposition.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

So when you look at running backs in that boat, somebody that has been sitting back, playing second fiddle, being part of a team, is it the. The Melvin Gordon sharing time? Is it the Echler situation? You know, is Kareem Hunt languishing?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Kareem Hunt.

[Mike Wright]

I think Hunt gets a starting job.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Kareem Hunt would be the guy that I think has been languishing, playing the second fiddle since his incident. And he'll. He has the opportunity to go out and have an offense built more around him in the running game. You know, it's. It's really hard for a running back to be a backup and then come into, you know, unless they were a rookie and then come into relevance. Running backs tend to break out really young in their career. The reason that Derek Henry was able to do it is not because, you know, it was. It was 100% because he was behind a star running back. They drafted him, surprisingly, when they had DeMarco Murray, the Titans did. And DeMarco Murray was great. So it wasn't like Derek Henry himself was poor. He just, you know, was. So you'd have to look at a team that has a star running back right now. I mean, I guess maybe that's the Austin Eckler. Right.

[Jason Moore]

It's not many of them. I mean, when you look at the situations, there's Nobody that you're sitting there where we've said, you know, Henry was that guy. This is the year for Henry. No, it's not. This is the year for Henry. No, it's not. I mean, there's nobody out there in. You know, maybe we're not remembering them.

[Andy Holloway]

Right now, but I would have said Rashad Penny. I would have loved to say that.

[Jason Moore]

Or Aaron Jones last year. Was that guy. Right?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, he was.

[Jason Moore]

So, yeah, I don't. Those are the names that come to mind. All right, let's do one more here from Twitter. Jase. What. What's the best number of people to start a dynasty League?

[Mike Wright]

As in owners?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the best num. If that's what this question is, which is how I interpret it. The best number is 10 or 12 committed owners. Like, 12 would be the best, but I would so much rather. You can't. It's harder to change ownership. You want to keep dynasty owners around for a long time. And if you've got 12 really close, you know, men and women that want to play this and they're committed, and then you've got a couple others that are like, they might be in, then I. But they're not sure. I would rather play with the 10. But 12 is.

[Jason Moore]

Especially in a dynasty.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but 12 is the best number because you could make the argument that if you start with 10, you're going to stay with 10. Because expanding in a normal league ownership is easy. Expanding in a dynasty, difficult, very difficult. So 12 is the best number because I think that's the context in which all the shows that you're listening to are talking about, you know, a running back, one being a top 12 guy, running back, two being a top 24 guy. That's the context that most fantasy advice is given. So 12 is the best. But if you can't get 12 great owners, then 10. But you can get 12 great [e-mail] it helps.

[Jason Moore]

It certainly does. Hey, Judge Giamatti, how do our listeners involve themselves in this Thursday ama?

[Mike Wright]

We're going to be posting on all socials asking for questions, and you can always submit questions on the website as well.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, so you'll be parsing all of those things. Oh, yeah. I'll be looking through. Yeah. Today. Okay, so twitter@the ffballers. You can get in. Contact us with us there. Instagram.com fantasy footballers Thursday AMA show. Hope you enjoyed today's episode. That is it for us. Check out. I think we still have a Foot Clan giveaway over atfootclaim.giveaway.com who knows, you can check out as well. I think it's Sammy Watkins.

[Mike Wright]

See you Thursday. Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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