Too Hot to Handle! + Risk vs Reward - Fantasy Football Podcast for 7/1

Summary

Podcast Summary: Fantasy Footballers - "Too Hot to Handle! + Risk vs Reward"

Release Date: July 1, 2025
Episode Title: Too Hot to Handle! + Risk vs Reward
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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Introduction and Season Updates

The episode begins with Andy Holloway and Jason Moore catching up after a short hiatus due to pre-recorded episodes and simultaneous summer family vacations. Andy remarks on the podcasters' magic in maintaining consistency despite being away, while Jason humorously shares his swift experience ordering new contacts.

Andy Holloway [01:10]:
"Welcome in the Fantasy footballers. It is July 1st. Jason Moore, Andy Holloway, and a cardboard bear extraordinaire, Jay Grizz, in the building today."

Jason updates listeners on Mike Wright's absence due to an incident on a flight, setting the stage for the episode to proceed with just the two hosts and their mascot.

Announcements and Tools

A major highlight is the announcement of expanding the podcast's schedule. Starting July 1st, the Fantasy Footballers will increase their output to three shows a week, moving to five shows weekly from August through December. They also introduce the new Draft Analyzer, available to Ultimate Draft Kit (UDK) Plus and Ultimate Foot Clan members.

Jason Moore [04:14]:
"If you've done any drafts or even if you've done a mock draft, or if you've got a Dynasty league and you just want to check on your roster, you can import or manually put them in across many platforms and get your grade."

This tool grades entire leagues, offering insights into opponents' strengths and weaknesses, and assists in targeting teams for potential trades.

News and Analysis

The hosts delve into recent NFL news, focusing primarily on tight end movements and their implications for fantasy football.

Johnny Smith Trade and Dolphins' Tight End Strategy

Jason discusses the Miami Dolphins trading John "Johnny" Smith to the Pittsburgh Steelers along with Jalen Ramsey and a seventh-round pick, in exchange for signing John "Hunch" who could compete for the tight end position.

Jason Moore [08:03]:
"For fantasy football purposes, the John who Smith trade is pretty massive."

Andy and Jason analyze the impact of this move, noting that it frees up targets for Tyreek Hill, Jalen Waddle, and Devin Hn, enhancing their fantasy potential. They express skepticism about Darren Waller's ability to significantly disrupt the tight end landscape, predicting a moderate impact.

Quarterback Q&A: Jaden Daniels vs. Jared Goff

A substantial portion of the episode addresses the quarterback position, specifically evaluating Jaden Daniels and the perennial fantasy-typical Jared Goff.

Andy Holloway [22:50]:
"Jaden Daniels is being drafted higher than any other sophomore quarterback in fantasy football history."

Andy and Jason debate whether Daniels' high draft position is justified, comparing him to other quarterbacks like C.J. Stroud and Jalen Hurts. They express concerns about the opportunity cost of drafting Daniels in the third round, questioning if his second-year performance will match or exceed expectations.

Jason Moore [23:28]:
"He can go out there and throw for 4,000, rush for 800, throw for 30 plus touchdowns."

They also scrutinize Jared Goff's high draft position, labeling him as inconsistent and a risky eighth-round pick in single-quarterback leagues.

Andy Holloway [29:42]:
"He's the worst pick. I can't fathom taking Jared Goff in the eighth round."

"Too Hot to Handle" Segment

The core of the episode features the "Too Hot to Handle" segment, where the hosts evaluate players whose Average Draft Positions (ADP) might be too high relative to their projected performance, posing significant opportunity costs.

Jaden Daniels (QB3 at 3rd Round)

Andy Holloway [22:50]:
"Jaden Daniels is being drafted higher than any other sophomore quarterback in fantasy football history."

They debate whether Daniels deserves a third-round selection, considering his impressive rookie stats but uncertain sophomore performance. Jason points out the potential decline due to a tougher schedule and increased expectations.

Amari Hampton (RB18 at 22nd Overall)

Andy Holloway [32:36]:
"Amari Hampton was drafted to be that player for the Chargers."

Amari Hampton is scrutinized for being drafted too high given the existing competition from Najee Harris. While both hosts acknowledge Hampton's talent, they question his immediate impact due to his shared role with Harris, potentially limiting his fantasy floor.

Jason Moore [34:00]:
"Najee is good enough where they will never this season."

DeAndre Swift (RB29 at 7th Round)

Andy Holloway [41:11]:
"DeAndre Swift is being drafted as RB 29. That's basically what his floor is."

Although DeAndre Swift is considered not too hot to handle, Jason contends that his ADP is too high given his inconsistencies and injury history.

Jackson Smith and JG "Jigga" (WR12 at 211 ADP)

Andy's Analysis:
Jackson Smith and his counterpart "Jigga" are discussed as wide receivers with high ADPs relative to their breakout potential. The hosts express caution, noting that only a fraction of second-year players meet or exceed their ADP expectations.

Jason Moore [45:51]:
"Only two of the 19, though, were big hits, as in they crushed. They were league winners."

Travis Hunter (WR35 at 7th Round)

Andy Holloway [49:15]:
"Travis Hunter is the best wide receiver in this draft."

Jason believes Travis Hunter is too valuable to consider as too hot to handle, given his high ceiling and potential as a game-changer. Andy, however, raises concerns about Hunter's dual role as a wide receiver and cornerback, adding unpredictability to his fantasy output.

Jason Moore [49:23]:
"Travis Hunter is the best wide receiver in this draft class."

Tyler Warren (TE11 at 9th Round)

Andy Holloway [54:14]:
"It's Tyler Warren, the tight end. 11 going in the ninth round."

Tyler Warren is praised for his potential and ability to become a top target at tight end, making him a solid pick without the high risk associated with other tight ends.

Concluding Remarks

As the episode wraps up, Andy and Jason tease upcoming content, including an AFC North breakdown and another mock draft. They reiterate the value of the Ultimate Draft Kit and encourage listeners to engage with their live events and community.

Andy Holloway [58:44]:
"All right, that is going to do it for today's show. On behalf of the Bear and Jason Moore, I'm Andy Holloway. Shout out to the Deucers back there in Deucers Alley. We'll be back on Thursday day. Take care."

Jason Moore [58:44]:
"Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com and follow us on Twitter the FFballers."

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Key Takeaways

• Draft Analyzer Launch: A new tool for UDK Plus and Ultimate Foot Clan members to assess league-wide team strengths and weaknesses.

• Johnny Smith's Trade: Significant implications for the Dolphins' tight end depth and target distribution among key receivers.

• Quarterback Evaluations: Caution against overvaluing Jaden Daniels and Jared Goff due to potential inconsistencies and opportunity costs.

• "Too Hot to Handle" Insights: Critical analysis of players with high ADPs, emphasizing the importance of opportunity costs in draft decisions.

• Emphasis on Flexibility: Encourages fantasy managers to balance high-ceiling picks with reliable contributors to optimize team performance.

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Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway [25:03]:
  "I don't think you're happy... I don't think you win the championship."

• Jason Moore [26:19]:
  "Where do you have him? Right. You've got him at quarterback four."

• Andy Holloway [55:37]:
  "Anytime you have that discussion at all, you might want to open your eyes to the super freak at tight end that you put on the roster."

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This episode of the Fantasy Footballers provides in-depth analysis on draft strategies, player evaluations, and the implications of recent NFL moves, equipping fantasy managers with the insights needed to make informed decisions for the upcoming season.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

Close your eyes.

[Jason Moore]

Exhale.

[Andy Holloway]

Feel your body relax.

[Jason Moore]

And let go of whatever you're carrying today. Well, I'm letting go of the worry that I wouldn't get my new contacts in time for this class. I got them delivered free from 1-800-contacts. Oh, my gosh, they're so fast. And breathe. Oh, sorry. I almost couldn't breathe when I saw the discount they gave me on my first order. Oh, sorry. Namaste.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Have you ever spotted McDonald's hot crispy fries right as they're being scooped into the carton? And time just stands still. Welcome to the fantasy Footballers podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome in the Fantasy footballers. It is July 1st. Jason Moore, Andy Holloway, and a cardboard bear extraordinaire, Jay Grizz, in the building today. No, Mike, it's a weird. It's a weird welcome. It's a weird show because we haven't been here for a while.

[Jason Moore]

That's right.

[Andy Holloway]

But it doesn't seem that way to you.

[Jason Moore]

Right. We's magic. We pre recorded some episodes and we all took our annual summer family vacations and we try to do it at the same time so that no one misses a show.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

Because we pre record them together. We leave at the same time. We all come back.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

Boom, bam, boom, bam.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, 10 Sundays till football. 10 Sundays until football. So we're getting. Getting the family time in, prerecorded a couple episodes. We had a mock draft show. We had an AMA show. Everybody survived the. The flights back from where they were and then.

[Jason Moore]

Fortunate. But yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And you, you're completely upside down time wise because you went overseas for the first time in your life.

[Jason Moore]

That's right. I woke up at 3am this morning. So.

[Andy Holloway]

And we thought we were good. And then we got word this morning that Mike met his demise with somebody. Somebody in the plane gave him something. So we'll see if he's back later this week. But we've got a great show ahead, just the two of us and the cardboard bear, Jason. So lots going on. I mean, even on the drive into work today, we got more NFL news. Almost like a punctuation mark. Almost. At the end of the Steelers Dolphins.

[Jason Moore]

News of the weekend, it felt less like a punctuation mark and more like a punchline. Like it felt like a joke. To me, it really is. He's back.

[Andy Holloway]

Who would have thought Darren Waller would be back in the NFL?

[Jason Moore]

We're all wondering. You know the rumors are the Dolphins are looking to trade for a tight end to replace John who Smith. We'll get to all this in the news, but as we look. Oh, is it going to be Kyle Pitts? Oh, is it going to be Michael Mayer? It's like, what about the guy who retired a couple years ago?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we'll have to update the graphics there. He's going to have a new jersey on. But yeah, we'll talk about that momentarily. One of the big announcements that we want to make, because it is July 1st, it means a couple of things. One, we are moving to three shows a week. There will not be a show on Saturday this week, July 4th, the day before 4th of July weekend. There won't be a Saturday show. But then it will be three shows a week for the rest of July and we move to five shows a week starting in August through December and the end of the NFL season. So we are almost there. This is one of the reasons why. And July out of town for a minute.

[Jason Moore]

July being here means that the Draft Analyzer has launched.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

So all of you that have the UDK plus, or if you're an Ultimate Foot Clan member, you already have the tool. If you've done any drafts or even if you do a mock draft, or if you've got a Dynasty league and you just want to check on your roster, you can import or manually put them in across many platforms and get your grade. Now, this year, we're grading the entire league. So that was really cool to see in our Dynasty League how bad your team was, Andy.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, it's as bad as it gets.

[Jason Moore]

Because you tore it down to the nubs for a rebuild. But I love that we've never had the tool to compare the whole league until.

[Andy Holloway]

Am I an F minus?

[Jason Moore]

You are an F. I don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

If it was minus. You threw them. I mean, it should be an F minus.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, it's on purpose, so you can't feel bad.

[Andy Holloway]

I actually feel better about it. Like, I did it right. I stand corrected.

[Jason Moore]

You have a D. You're the only one in the league with a D.

[Andy Holloway]

But you do have the D. Yeah. Okay. Well, no, this is a new feature, and what's cool is it breaks down not only the grades of your opponents in your league, but it also breaks down their position grouping. So it's a really unique tool. And in addition to the Draft Analyzer, that allows you to target teams for trades. So, you know, a lot of Dynasty teams will get plugged in right now because Those drafts have happened and rookie drafts have happened. And then later through August you'll plug your redraft teams in there and then you can identify weaknesses on your opponents, which is brand new this year and you can make trades based on that. We're working on some in season trade tools. We're just trying to make the products better. I mean that's the tldr of it all.

[Jason Moore]

Everything's always updated. If you want our help throughout the season and in draft season, get the ultimate draft kit@ultimate draft kit.com I mean I was changing stats at 36,000ft because John Smith got traded. I wasn't going to wait around.

[Andy Holloway]

I thought it was 37,000. You were only flying at 36.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And they were showing it in meters. Ridiculous.

[Andy Holloway]

Did they change to feet like halfway over the ocean? How does that work?

[Jason Moore]

I think it's back to your home style British Airlines on the way back. So the whole thing was better.

[Andy Holloway]

And you did have a good time on the trip despite the waking up.

[Jason Moore]

At random hours, despite the time zone change and Parisians. We had a great trip in general.

[Andy Holloway]

I heard it was very hot in Paris, which was not the break you wanted from Arizona.

[Jason Moore]

No, it was brutal. But it was a great trip. It was a great trip.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Well, we have a lot of news to talk about. We also have a fun segment today called Too hot to Handle. We'll be talking about some players whose average draft position might be a little too steep. But we'll discuss whether we agree and a couple other reminders. You can watch the show on YouTube. YouTube.com the fantasy footballers now is the time to subscribe. Click the bell. Make sure you catch our live events including Sunday live every single week of the year where the hitman himself or one of us will be with you in the morning getting you ready for your matchups. And start sit decisions, decisions and make sure you follow on Spotify and Apple right now. Drop us a review. We would really appreciate it. It helps the show out. Let's jump right into that Wild news.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league.

[Andy Holloway]

Well we thought it could happen and there were rumors and Arthur Smith has has an infatuation for somebody and his name is Johnny Smith. Johnny Smith was traded after a career best year in Miami. A lot of implications from this move but he goes to Pittsburgh along with Jalen Ramsey and a seventh round pick and then they signed John who do a one year deal which I mean we can talk about Pittsburgh in general. Pittsburgh. Seems like one year is really a good descriptor of their strategy right now.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

With Aaron Rodgers, Jalen Ramsey at his age, older than Minka Fitzpatrick, and then Johnny Smith on a one year deal. I, I'm very curious your reaction to this. I know you like Tomlin. Pittsburgh is weird.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean they are obviously going for it. They believe they're in a win now mode. And obviously if you've got Aaron Rodgers, that, that is what if you make the decision to grab Aaron Rodgers and put him at the head of your franchise, you need to do exactly what they're doing. You need to say, okay, we're, this is our window is a year. So how do we have the best team now and if we need to tear it down and rebuild after Aaron Rodgers is gone, then that's what we'll have to do. So I don't blame them for any of these moves. I think for fantasy football purposes, the John who Smith trade is pretty massive. Like it, it had a larger effect. A lot of times people change teams, a trade happens, a free agent signing and very little changes. But here John Smith went from my tight end four who on the, you know, last week I was super excited to draft him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it feels like one got deleted.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's deleted. He's done. Pat Friarmuth is deleted. He's done. They're going to cannibalize each other.

[Andy Holloway]

On the Dolphins side though, the fantasy football porpoises side.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean there was John who was a real, real problem in his target market share for Tyree Kill, for Jalen Waddle and then Devon Hn has more room. That's the area of the field where it was like it was all John who and Achan with those short dinka dunks. So those three all get a bump up. And now obviously we've got to factor in the Walrus showing up. But I don't personally think that the Walrus is going to have a massive impact. I don't think he's going to have a 20% target share like John who Smith had at 33 years old coming off of retirement when he didn't look good last time we saw him.

[Andy Holloway]

I tend to agree. I mean he'll be, he'll make an impact in the red zone, most likely. But from a total reception standpoint, it won't be close to what John you did. I'll go back to the Steelers. We'll just talk about that for a second. I think right now we know how devoid of pass catching options they are. At wide receiver, you can say you like Calvin Austin, he's a role player. DK Metcalf is their guy. But now you're looking at a lot of 12 personnel. I mean, that, that seem. And a lot of the running game balance. I mean, I think, you know, you look at them, they can run Friar Muth and Johnny Smith out there. Johnny Smith will do a bunch of different things in the offense the way he did with Arthur Smith in Tennessee and Arthur Smith in Atlanta. And we kept wondering in Atlanta why Arthur Smith was giving Johnny Smith a bunch of work and Kyle Pitts was nothing. Now we kind of understand. We saw Johnny Smith's impact because John is better. Yeah, he's a better player and he's more versatile. He does more things. You can throw him the ball behind the line of scrimmage. You can hand him the football. He can play fullback. So Arthur Smith will do a lot with them. And it's kind of a weird situation for fantasy players because, look, I'm confident in DK Metcalf. I think he's a great value in drafts right now. But now look beyond that. You just deleted both tight end. Both of those tight ends seem like they're not going to be weak to week starts. You also have a running back situation. You like Caleb Johnson. I like Caleb Johnson, but it's still an enigma right now. It's still a question mark. You have Jalen Warren.

[Jason Moore]

Well, you hope that the 12 personnel like he will run. Arthur Smith runs two tight ends far more. Far more than anyone else.

[Andy Holloway]

By the way, they have three good ones.

[Jason Moore]

Right?

[Andy Holloway]

Darryl Washington, too.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. A great sixth offensive lineman in Washington. So I think this is good news for Caleb Johnson. But it's just the second pass catcher on this team, which I thought Pat Friarmuth had a. Had an avenue to get Luth the Muth. And that just seems gone because they're both going to have enough opportunities from game to game. But you can't. I don't think we'll have any kind of predictability where we can decide, I want to start Pat Fryer mute this week or I want to start John. Who Smith. I can't imagine either of them have such a stranglehold over the target pecking order. So it just feels like two players that got deleted and they.

[Andy Holloway]

We know the evidence of Arthur Smith, they're not going to throw the ball as much as we want them to. No, they won't. So, I mean, that's just going to be. It's just interesting. I mean, the Steelers, they still have to figure out T.J. watt. I mean, that's, that's still something hanging out over the team. And then the Dolphins, the initial reaction for me was consolidation of targets. You know, Tyreek Hill, Jalen Waddle, Devon Hn all get a bump. I love Day Chan already. It's kind of a little bit maybe unfortunate ADP wise because I think he will rock it up. But you and I, we made our adjustments. We got him at 3 and 4.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I was, I was really surprised that he ended up at three for me. But I, I look at the, the area of the field and the quick targets, the two alikes and the personnel of who that could go to. And so I don't, I don't know. Once I put in Darren Waller that that news just broke this morning, so I have not yet updated the stats. Maybe that pushes Achan back to running back four, but I mean he is, he is very, very high. And if you look top tier. Yeah, top tier. With the amount of targets that are coming his way. If you look at the dolphins in 2023 versus the dolphins in 2024, you can see like just look at the wide receivers and tight ends in their target shares. In 2023, before John who Smith, 68% of the targets went to wide receivers and only 9% went to tight ends. They were not throwing the ball to the tight end position much. They didn't have a tight end of note. And then last year it dropped from 68% to wide receivers all the way down to 50, which is terrible. And tight ends 9% went all the way up to 27%. It was really frustrating last year, if you remember, we were watching these games just being like, stop throwing it to John who, who's. He's fine. He's good for tight end. But it was like, get the ball to Tyree Kill. Get the ball to Jalen Waddle more. Those are bigger plays. So, you know, hopefully this is good for fantasy football and those three more important players than Johnny Smith.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And people want to talk about Malik Washington, who will have an opportunity, but they, you got to remember they also added nine Touchdown Nick Westbrook, Akine from Tennessee, who will have time on the field, it won't just be Malik Washington. So now you have Waller in the mix. And so it's hard to really project a huge breakout, I think from Malik. Me personally, I don't project that, but it's, it's within the realm of possibility. And then they, they go and pick up Darren Waller. Waller, I see as just, I mean, we don't have him Statted yet? We just got this news, but probably tight end 13 to 20 something in that range. I mean, where do you.

[Jason Moore]

No, that'll, that'll probably be where he lands. I, if I had to throw a number, I would have said like tight end 16. Yeah, but genuinely, once you're tight end seven, you're irrelevant, right? Yeah, no, it's just you're not making a fantasy impact winning. You know, you're streaming the position at that point.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, so that's the initial breakdown on all those moves and all of that will be updated in the ultimate draft kit. All our stat projections have been updated outside of Waller, which we'll do shortly after this episode. Couple other news blurbs. Adam Schefter said there's quite a gap between the Commanders and Terry McLaurin. Not surprised there. Yeah, his age combined with the production, he's going to think more of his season than they probably will.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I am surprised simply due to the fact that he's such a core locker room, you know, like the leader of the team. I'm surprised that it's not getting a deal done. It shouldn't be surprising. They should not be giving Terry McLaurin a massive contract at his age just because he had a bunch of touchdowns last year. So obviously there's something's got to get figured out there.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I wonder, wonder if this will be a lot of smoke and McLaren will show up or, you know, they can't sign into a long term.

[Jason Moore]

No, that's what I was going to say. They need to give him a big money one year extension. Move some money or make it like a, a two year deal or do one of the fake three year deals where there's like no money in the third year and it's really a two year deal.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Make it sound good on paper but then, you know, you've got a rookie.

[Andy Holloway]

Quarterback, Sutton once, probably the same thing. They need to do a Sutton in Denver. Sean Payton. Speaking of Denver, too early to project the running back depth chart. This was discussions around J.K. dobbins. We got R.J. harvey, so it'll be really interesting.

[Jason Moore]

I'm Starting to think J.K. dobbins might be one of the best picks in fantasy because he's not. It is, but sucks he is. He's not going to be drafted until double digit rounds. And I think that if you look at everybody being drafted and I don't know where he is right now, it's got to be low. It's got to be in the 12th, 13th round, there's not running backs who have a chance. So, yeah, he's running back 43 in the 12th round right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's worth a five.

[Jason Moore]

There's a chance he's the starter. There's the chance that he is the main fantasy scorer this year over RJ Harvey.

[Andy Holloway]

You're not wrong. It's just. It's not fun because.

[Jason Moore]

Fun if he's the starter.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, if you have him, sure. But it's one of those things that the process for that to be true, I think, is annoying to fantasy players because it means that RJ Harvey's not what they wanted him to be. And so it's going to be. Sure he would be a bust.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, no, that's fair. And I will say that usually the fantasy community over the last five years, we get it right. More often than not, the running back who is the first one drafted is usually going to be the start of that will obviously be RJ Harvey. Right now, he's going in the sixth round, running back 24, so. And he is the more explosive player at this stage of their careers.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Other than that, we had a small report, actually. I saw multiple reports of this, and this is important, going back and forth. Actually, there was a report earlier that Kenny Pickett had the lead. This is a Cleveland job.

[Jason Moore]

Snap, snip, snap.

[Andy Holloway]

But then it later came out, Cameron Wolf at least reporting that Joe Flacco is the favorite to land the starting job. Fantasy players want Joe Flacco, but the Browns might not want that. Might not be the best thing for their future.

[Jason Moore]

Kevin. Kevin, listen up.

[Andy Holloway]

I was looking in our studio to see if there was a Kevin in here.

[Jason Moore]

No, Stefanski is not, but he's listening. Kevin, obviously, just. Just put Joe behind center, okay? Just put Joe. Get rid of Kenny Pickett. He's not. He's not going to be your future. He's not going to be your present. Let Joe Flacco air it out. Give us Jerry Judy. Give us David Najoku.

[Andy Holloway]

Give us some great Cedric Tillman.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah, Cedric Tillman. And then develop Shador Sanders. Like, that's. That's. We're done here, Kevin. Just obey.

[Andy Holloway]

So just cut. Pick it.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. Get rid of him.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

You traded, like a fifth for him.

[Andy Holloway]

That was probably compelling enough for him to.

[Jason Moore]

I think so.

[Andy Holloway]

To make a change. Yeah, I'd like to see Flacco. And look, every team in the NFL has a shot with that defense.

[Jason Moore]

Who knows?

[Andy Holloway]

You could win games with that defense. And Joe Flacco. You can't win that you can't win with Kenny Pickett. I don't think, I don't think you can. But I can't wait to hear in our comments the people that believe that you all right, we'll take a break and we'll get into Too Hot to handle.

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[Andy Holloway]

All right, it's time to take an in depth look at where players are falling in average draft position and whether we think you're going to have to stay away.

[Jason Moore]

Too hot to handle.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, we're going to talk about some players, Jason, that are looking maybe too hot to handle at their current average draft positions. Although I don't know if we'll agree on every single one of them. We'll I hope we don't talk through some players. The opportunity cost is what we're talking about. You know, ADP is so important for fantasy players to, you know, everybody wants to draft and get value and if you draft the player at their ceiling, they have to perform up to that ceiling for them to be worthy of the draft pick. And it can be very, very difficult for that to happen. Look no further than a few years ago. Baker Mayfield with Landry and beckham looked at C.J. stroud last year. You draft a player at a certain point in your fantasy draft and you put yourself in the position where you're locked in with them and it can hurt you. So we'll talk through it.

[Jason Moore]

These are basically bust picks These are picks where these are.

[Andy Holloway]

Are they now?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. You don't want to piss away these picks. You know what I mean?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, no, well done.

[Jason Moore]

But this is. It is the opportunity cost. If JK Dobbins is going to. JK Dobbins can't be a bust. It's impossible to be a bust in the 12th round.

[Andy Holloway]

Correct.

[Jason Moore]

So this is more.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not a piss poor pick.

[Jason Moore]

Exactly.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

This is more about should they be going where they're going.

[Andy Holloway]

So let's start here at the tippy top of the quarterback position because Jaden Daniels is being drafted higher than any other sophomore quarterback in fantasy football history. So that statement alone, it reminds me.

[Jason Moore]

A lot of Marvin Harrison last year being drafted higher than any rookie wide receiver in the history of fantasy football.

[Andy Holloway]

305 as the quarterback three. Right. Now, Jaden Daniels did not finish as the quarterback three. He was the quarterback five. Last year he had 148 rushing attempts. That's the seventh most all time for a quarterback. And I see your head kind of.

[Jason Moore]

This is so hard, man.

[Andy Holloway]

Dive down. I. I don't think it would be wise. This is my personal opinion. I don't think it's wise to draw the connection between jaden Daniels and C.J. stroud. I think that would be a mistake for fantasy purposes.

[Jason Moore]

They play so wildly different. CJ Stroud not a great mobile, you know, running quarterback for fantasy. Jaden Daniels has a superpower. And so I think the only correlation there between Stroud and Daniels is simply the group. Think of year two always gets better. That doesn't always happen. Year two is not always better.

[Andy Holloway]

You've talked about the schedule for Washington. I've talked about the fact that there's headroom obviously in the passing touchdown department. He only threw. I mean, only. I mean, it's a lot. 25, but it's. It. There's room there. 3,500 passing yards. There's room there. It would come probably at the expense of the 891 rushing yards if he threw the ball more. But he scored six times on the ground, 25 passing. So 31 total touchdowns. It does not always get better. The question here is, will you be disappointed with Jaden Daniels drafting him in the third round, which is behind two other quarterbacks. So you're not taking him as the first quarterback overall, obviously, but, you know, are you going to be disappointed with the opportunity cost of Jaden Daniels when there are other players on the board? You know, in our mock draft, Jalen Hertz went much later. I took Joe Burrow much later. You have players like Baker much later in the draft six round and then you have other position players like Kyron Williams going around that spot, Chase Brown going around that spot. Garrett Wilson like it is not a non. It's very consequential to make that decision.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. This is going to cost you a lot and you're calling your shot for an upgrade. If he does what he did last year, which he was an. He was a consistency score of an A. He helped people win championships and that you know, you know how good he was. But he helped you win championships because he was a later round pick. So you already had your stable of running backs and wide receivers solidified. The question is if he were to do what he did last year again, which I think is a very. Some things are going to get harder for him with a year of tape and a much more difficult schedule in year two.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So if he did what he did last year, are you happy at 305?

[Jason Moore]

I think you're not crushed. I think you're okay, but I don't think you're happy. I don't think if he does what he did last year finishes as the quarterback five and you're drafting him in the third round as the quarterback three. No, I don't think you're. I don't think you won the championship. I don't think.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, that's a good way to put.

[Jason Moore]

It at the end of the year. I don't think that that pick helped you win the championship. The question is for this to be good. Is Jane Daniels truly that dude where he can go out there and throw for 4,000, rush for 800, throw for 30 plus touchdowns?

[Andy Holloway]

I do think he could do that. I do not think it is probable that he will do that but I do think that is within the realm of outcomes or the range of outcomes.

[Jason Moore]

Where do you have, do you know where you have him? Right. You've got him at quarterback four.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And I was going to say I would feel really cozy with him in the fourth round because I grabbing three more names ahead of him in the draft and then going to Jaden Daniels like I guess that's a way of saying I think he is a little bit too hot to handle. And I we had the show the underrated, overrated I was on, I was the only side of underrated for the Washington offense. You two both went overrated on Washington. I have him projected for 4,000 passing yards because his passing attempts, they went way up over the second half of the year as he became more comfortable in the pocket. And this, this was an elite season. I mean this was borderline MVP type of year for Jaden Daniels as a rookie so. But I do have him at 4 and it really again it's a, it's comparison of who you could take later. And I'd be very happy with Jalen Hurts and I'd be very happy with Joe Burrow and I'd be pretty happy with Baker Mayfield and if because I'm happy with those other positions and I could stack up running back and wide receiver, I do think he, he leans towards too hot to handle.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I, I am fine with where he's going but ironically I would take Jalen Hurts over Jaden Daniels like straight up if they both cost the same thing. The fact that Jalen Hurts is around later and I could pair him with one of his wide receivers I like more. Like if I'm building a stack I don't really want the jaden Daniels Terry McLaurin stack as much as I would want the Jalen Hurts and either one of his main two wide receiver stack. So I lean on the two hot tail.

[Andy Holloway]

It makes sense. And that's not a, it's not an insult to Jaden Daniels. It's a reaction to the reaction of the fantasy community and where he's going.

[Jason Moore]

I will say where he is going. There seems to be a break between players like ahead of him being drafted Kyron Williams, T. Higgins, Trey McBride. I see those guys as awesome, extreme difference makers behind Jaden Daniels, those players, there's Terry McLaurin and James Cook and Breece hall.

[Andy Holloway]

And none of us are taking McLaurin over Jaden.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

In the third.

[Jason Moore]

No. So I don't think he's going in a terrible spot. It's just a matter of what other quarterbacks you believe are better or worse than him.

[Andy Holloway]

Speaking of other quarterbacks, it's actually interesting to bring this name up, but Jared Goff is the only quarterback to finish in the top 10 each of the last three years. And yet eighth round Jared Goff, top of the eighth round is the highest he has ever been drafted. So his current price 802. Lots of off season discussion around the offense. Does it take a step back simply based on the law of averages? The fact that you can't keep doing what you're doing and now you've lost your offensive coordinator. Sorry. He's one of, he's one of three quarterbacks to finish inside the Josh Allen, I misspoke. And Jared Goff Allen, hertz and Goff. So the other two you're paying a really high price for. Jared Goff has always been sneaky. Good, sneaky good games, top tier performances, but not necessarily.

[Jason Moore]

He's the worst, man. He's the worst.

[Andy Holloway]

He's the worst.

[Jason Moore]

He's the worst pick. I can't fathom in the eighth round. I can't fathom taking Jared Goff in. You know, maybe there's some formats, two qb. Okay. But if he's my, if I'm in a single quarterback league, Jared Goff's not consistent. Jared Goff, they've got such a good running game. You can have a dominant performance from the Lions where Jared Goff didn't throw a bunch of touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, let me, let me make it really simple. And I was trying to paint the other picture, but if you're going to lock a guy into your starting quarterback position the entire year. Jared Goff or Bo Nix?

[Jason Moore]

Bo Nix.

[Andy Holloway]

Jared Goff or Kyler Murray to be locked in.

[Jason Moore]

Kyler.

[Andy Holloway]

Jared Goff or Jordan Love to be locked in.

[Jason Moore]

Jordan Love.

[Andy Holloway]

Jared Goff or Brock Purdy to be locked in?

[Jason Moore]

Brock Ferdy.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, all those guys are going way behind him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, way behind him in the draft.

[Andy Holloway]

Way too hot.

[Jason Moore]

And to be clear, I don't necessarily think those names you brought up should be locked in.

[Andy Holloway]

No, but comparatively to golf, based on consistency.

[Jason Moore]

But like Dak Prescott.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Dak Prescott or Jared Goff. I think I'd rather have Dak Prescott. And he's so, so many rounds later. Jared Goff is going to finish this season with a good season total. And we talk about this on the Truth series. If you're with us in the off season when we go through the truth of fantasy quarterbacks, sometimes you're Philip Rivers. Philip Rivers, every single year was a quarterback one.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. QB 10, QB 10, QB 10.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And it's like, oh, that sounds so great. He's been a top 12 quarterback for six straight years. You don't like him. But then you play the season, the fantasy season, and if he's your quarterback, every week you're losing. He is not a difference maker. He's not consistent. He's not going to go out there. And every week when you games, he's going to lose you as many as he wins. He's a C in our grade for consistency. So I don't know, man. I can't imagine that I want to spend an 8th round pick on Jared Goff. If someone else grabs Jared Goff ahead of you, are you going to be.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, you don't care. No, you're probably rats. It's the worst situation because what is a quarterback in the eighth round? Are you drafting in every week starter you shouldn't be. I mean, you can't.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, you hope to.

[Andy Holloway]

And if you're not, are you drafting a second one? Are you really taking Goff and pairing him with Caleb later or Herbert later? I mean, it just, it's an unnecessary selection I think in the eighth round. I'm with you. It's too hot to handle. It's no disrespect to the near MVP.

[Jason Moore]

Jared Goff last year, but you also, you also have. Obviously Ben Johnson is gone and their center, their awesome center is gone. Jared Goff has never been one that was great under pressure. So if that offensive line ends up leaky in the middle, that won't be great for golf.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, this one might be more difficult. Jason, too hot to handle. Amari and Hampton, this one will be more difficult. The running back.

[Jason Moore]

You are correct.

[Andy Holloway]

The running back for the Chargers, currently being drafted at first as the RB18. This was the 22nd overall pick in the NFL draft. This is a player you and I adored on film.

[Jason Moore]

Love him. He's so good.

[Andy Holloway]

It's great that Mike's absent for this discussion because you and I can just talk about the glowing reviews we have of Amari. Enhance.

[Jason Moore]

He was unbelievable. He is a, he is a perfect NFL running back. He is a three down back that will block better than anyone out there. He will pass catch, he will goal line, you know, short yardage. He will break long plays. He is a perfect running back prospect who was drafted in the first round to a team that wants to run the ball.

[Andy Holloway]

He also should instantly look much better than Najee on film. Like it should be one of those things that's very quickly apparent on film. But there are other elements in play.

[Jason Moore]

Najee is there, man.

[Andy Holloway]

Najee is there. The team has spoken so highly of him. They pursued him. I don't know if they pursued him thinking they would take Hampton at 22 or not. And rookie, rookie running backs make a huge impact.

[Jason Moore]

But I don't know what to do with Hampton.

[Andy Holloway]

But if you take him, he might not start for a while.

[Jason Moore]

He might not start and he might finish the entire year just being a timeshare running back.

[Andy Holloway]

And Najee is 12 spots or 12 running backs behind Hampton and drafts, which makes sense. But you talk about like Najee at 710 could start and could produce Omari.

[Jason Moore]

And Hampton when you're draft like when you draft Ashton Genty, right. You are getting a three down back. He's going to be on the field for 60 plus percent of the snaps. He's going to have an incredible volume of work. And Amarian Hampton was drafted to be that player for the Chargers. The question is when. And I don't know if it's even in 2025.

[Andy Holloway]

If they want to win, it should be. But that doesn't necessarily mean it will be.

[Jason Moore]

Najee is not as good as Hampton, but Najee is not bad. Najee is not a detriment to your team. Giving the ball to Najee is not going to hurt your offense so bad drastically. It's not bad. He's not bad enough to make it to where Harbaugh and G Row are going to have to make that decision and say, look, we've got to go more to Hampton. We have to go more to Hampton because our drives are being stopped by Najee. We just got to make that transition. That's my fear is I think Najee is good enough where they will never this season. And that's actually my belief. I don't think Hampton this season becomes the bell cow.

[Andy Holloway]

So you don't think he will, but there's still a chance he does.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, for sure.

[Andy Holloway]

The problem, one of the problems I have is this the juxtaposition with like Quinshon Judkins in Cleveland who is drafted in the seventh round right now.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Because nobody wants to touch a Cleveland Brown player but Judkins from week one should be the guy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I agree. It's not just him.

[Andy Holloway]

I think miss something.

[Jason Moore]

And you know my love for Caleb Johnson. Caleb Johnson is again in the seventh round. There's other rookie running backs that are pluralize.

[Andy Holloway]

Did I fail to pluralize?

[Jason Moore]

No, no, no. I just. I think that. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

There are Cleveland Brown players you don't want to touch. So.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So yeah. I mean where do you stand if you're. If you're getting Hampton at the back of the fourth as the running back 18. There is. There's no doubt that Hampton could destroy that adp. Like he could. He could be. He could finish the season as the running back.

[Andy Holloway]

He does. It feels like it's one way or the other. There's no. This is not where Hampton ends up.

[Jason Moore]

But we love Hampton. You and I both look and say he is superior to Najee. He is awesome. Whenever you take in fantasy football, a first round NFL drafted running back.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

It works.

[Andy Holloway]

I will say he's not too Hot to handle. I like Chuba right behind him a little bit more. I don't mind James Conner a little bit more behind him. But beyond that, this is. This is as discounted as you. It's not like Hampton's going ahead of mixing. He's not going ahead of Alvin Camara. So I think I'm okay.

[Jason Moore]

It's funny because I think I'm okay. My issue with where he's going is not the veterans, it's the other rookie running backs. I just think there's such a value on the other rookie running backs.

[Andy Holloway]

But it's Judd can like I don't want Henderson. You got you. Are you that into Henderson?

[Jason Moore]

Above. So my rankings for the rookies.

[Andy Holloway]

Judkins are both seventh round picks.

[Jason Moore]

I've got Quinshon Judkins and Caleb Johnson ahead of Amarian Hampton. Amari and Hampton's my third but I've got him just ahead of RJ Harvey and Trevion Henderson for within the rookie.

[Andy Holloway]

So what's your final verdict? I do not think it's too hot to handle. I think it's right on the edge and that's good enough for a rookie running back to make an impact.

[Jason Moore]

I. It's not too hot to handle.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

It's really not. He's. He could. He could. He could be a steal as the running back are 18 and let's say Najee. My belief is that Najee Harris will make this a timeshare for the entirety of the season. So now let's talk about Omarion Hampton in the timeshare.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Najee doesn't get hurt. Doesn't get hurt.

[Jason Moore]

Omarion Hampton in a timeshare is not going to disappear. He's not going to be the running back 40 just because he's sharing time. He's going to be the more explosive player.

[Andy Holloway]

We just went into this with Gus Edwards last year and J.K. dobbins too.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

We're the best player played.

[Jason Moore]

I look at where he's going and while that might not be the rookie running back, I take. I'm fine with him going there.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, we will. We'll take another break. We got some more names to mention. Be back in a second.

[Jason Moore]

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[Jason Moore]

I don't want to draft him though.

[Andy Holloway]

You don't?

[Jason Moore]

I don't.

[Andy Holloway]

I do want to draft him. I. I want to win dirty.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's the way to win dirty. He's. I mean, he's not too hot to handle because he's the running back. What, what's his average draft position? He's being drafted as RB 29. Yeah, I mean that's stupid. He's finished currently in his career as the running back 18, 19, 22, 23, 19. Has the best of his career, like, opportunity lined up for him going into this year. Being drafted as running back 29 is. That's basically what his floor is. And I think that's probably below what his floor is, barring injury. So he's clearly not too hot to handle. I still don't want to draft him, man. I just. What is his upside? Like, I don't think. I don't think so.

[Andy Holloway]

I think it is.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think he can be a top 10 running back.

[Andy Holloway]

You just. I mean, we just talked about.

[Jason Moore]

He's not good enough.

[Andy Holloway]

What they're. I mean, he doesn't stay healthy. He wasn't good enough in Philadelphia.

[Jason Moore]

Exactly.

[Andy Holloway]

But he was good enough for your fantasy team in Philadelphia.

[Jason Moore]

But he finished as the running back 23. And he played 16 games for Philly. He finished as the running back 23 with a better offensive line.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, I don't think the expectation to start that year, though, was like. I think this first three weeks he barely got any work. I think he took off. Or am I wrong?

[Jason Moore]

Let me look into that.

[Andy Holloway]

In Philadelphia. I mean, he was just. Let me put it.

[Jason Moore]

First week.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me put it this way. He was the RB19 last year. On with a crap offensive line and no offensive coordinator.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

So I think his. I think he could finish as the running back. His very. His ceiling could be top 12.

[Jason Moore]

See, I think his ceiling is like.

[Andy Holloway]

Or peering in the window at 13. In the window at 13. At the other guys that have talent.

[Jason Moore]

Sure, man. I feel like this is a player. We know exactly who he is. He's frustrating.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he's frustrating enough for Detroit to ship him off.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's not a bad player. He's not a great player. He is not a great running back. He has vision problems. He has health problems. So I don't know, man. This is a guy who. What? Last year he was the running back 19. You brought that up. Another consistency rating of A seed.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, you want Najee on your team or Swift? You want Brian Robinson on your team or Swift?

[Jason Moore]

Brian Robinson. I would rather have.

[Andy Holloway]

There's one going behind him. Jalen Warren. Caleb Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

Caleb Johnson, baby, your voice deepened and it's scary.

[Andy Holloway]

Etn.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, shut up. You can't do that. You can't bring his name up.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Too hot to handle. Jackson, Smith and Jigba going at 211. Wide receiver 12.

[Jason Moore]

Man, Mike has me scared on this one. Mike has me really scared. You can make such a clear and easy argument for Jackson, Smith and Jigba. Who, as a prospect. What do we think of him as a prospect? Coming out that year, was he your number one prospect?

[Andy Holloway]

He's a great player.

[Jason Moore]

He's a great player. He's a great wide receiver. Last year with DK Metcalf, with Tyler Lockett, he finishes the wide receiver 10.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep. Being drafted at wide receiver 12, so.

[Jason Moore]

Could make an argument he's going into year three. He leveled up. He was incredible the second half of last year, too. It wasn't first half of last year. He was still figuring it out. It clicked. He was. He was awesome. At the end, he was like pace for 1700 yards. But Mike's data on the year two breakout and where their ADP.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike's dad would like you to know dad die Dada.

[Jason Moore]

His research on the year that you break out and the following season, whether you meet or exceed ADP production.

[Andy Holloway]

Basically fantasy players after a breakout in year two. We overreact.

[Jason Moore]

We overreact. That's.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the dad.

[Jason Moore]

And the problem to me, that's what.

[Andy Holloway]

His dad told me.

[Jason Moore]

The problem to me is that. That makes so much sense.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

It makes so much sense because it's.

[Andy Holloway]

The beginning of your career. You showed, you flashed incredible potential. Everything I just said, that's the number one type of player everybody wants on their team.

[Jason Moore]

Everybody wants that he broke out. But he's not like being drafted as that top guy yet. Maybe he'll.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe he could be one. That's what it is.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

The year two player, we all say he could be the new one.

[Jason Moore]

He could be the new, like, overall. Yeah. Like, he'll finish as the best. He'll be a top. Yeah. And.

[Andy Holloway]

And the data says that only eight of 19 of those guys meet the expectations in year three, which is a 42% shot you don't want.

[Jason Moore]

Only two of the 19, though, were big hits, as in they crushed. They were league winners, which is what you're hoping for when you're drafting at the 211 as the wide receiver 12. This is. That is.

[Andy Holloway]

You don't want a championship if he doesn't make a step forward.

[Jason Moore]

Correct.

[Andy Holloway]

And so basically your second pick of the draft, potentially, you might have 30 to 40% odds of that being worth it. That sounds too hot to handle.

[Jason Moore]

I don't. I don't want to always agree on all these players, though.

[Andy Holloway]

Have we totally agreed?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think I believe so. Well, you know what? I'm Going to change on DeAndre Swift.

[Andy Holloway]

Too hot to handle. Okay, so that you can agree now.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Because I think it is. I think it is a little too hot to handle. You know, I look at whether it's, you know, Jackson Smith and jigba at that 211 as the wide receiver 12 or around later, Garrett Wilson, Marvin Harrison, Mike Evans. Around later, around later. I mean, there's wide receivers that I like just as much as him. DK Metcalfe's in the fifth round. Who has a better season this year, DK Metcalf or jsn? I. I hope it's jsn. I hope he takes that leap forward. But the cost, you know, he's going right next to Chase Brown.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, Harrison's a complete round leader.

[Jason Moore]

I would much rather have Harrison. Yeah, I would much rather have Chase Brown as my running back. And then around later, take Marvin Harrison Jr. As opposed to sacrifice that. I mean, let me look who's. What running back is going next to the next running back. You're looking at like Kenneth. Kenneth Walker over where Marvin Harrison's going.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, so we agree. I mean, Tyreek Hill goes. I mean, Tyreek Hill, where did he go in your. Because he's going behind JSN right now. But where did he move in your rankings after? Because to me, I feel like Tyree Kill is starting to slip into sneaky categories.

[Jason Moore]

Tyree Kill was pretty much undraftable for me.

[Andy Holloway]

You really spoke out against.

[Jason Moore]

I was out. You just don't have wide receivers at that age bounce back after a bad season. And he played the whole season. I know he had the wrist issue, but my biggest issue was the TUA John who Smith connection on those dink and dunks and that the valuable targets for Tyreek Hill weren't coming with Johnny Smith. Not there. He is my wide receiver 14.

[Andy Holloway]

He's at 10 and I'm a little bit afraid to say that, but he's at 10 right now. All right. Travis Hunter is in the seventh round. Wide receiver 35. Weird situation for Travis Hunter. I don't have strong convictions right now.

[Jason Moore]

I do.

[Andy Holloway]

You do?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, let's.

[Jason Moore]

This is in no way, shape or form too hot to handle.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, so your convictions are towards Travis Hunter being a steel.

[Jason Moore]

Travis Hunter is the best wide receiver in this draft. The issue with Travis Hunter is a question of does. Is he a full time wide receiver? He wants to be a cornerback. He wants to be a wide receiver. Is he going to be out there for 55, 55% of the snapshot and then also playing cornerback or is he going to be a full time receiver and then, and then also play cornerback?

[Andy Holloway]

Doesn't the answer that question make him.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, it's risky. It's absolutely risky. But it's not too hot to handle in the seventh round as my wide receiver, 35 being drafted, his potential, as you know, the best wide receiver in this draft class, a rookie. Rookie wide receivers, they win fantasy championships. If he comes out and is a full time player.

[Andy Holloway]

We're going to, I'm going to. We're going to disagree.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, fantastic.

[Andy Holloway]

We're going to disagree finally. Only because I think the ambiguity. There's a couple of things you have to say when you believe in Travis Hunter at this place. One, he's going basically where Ted Arrow and McMillan is. So I'm, I'm getting to make the decision between those two rookies and I'm going to take the guy that was, you know, that I know is going to have the target volume and be the one in Carolina. So that's part of it. And the other part is I am entrusting Trevor Lawrence to supply really functional fantasy value to somebody beyond Brian Thomas. And the fact that the team can make decisions that change week to week on Travis Hunter scares me. Travis Hunter could be a full time wide receiver for a couple of weeks and then an injury happens at corner and then they need him to play corner more. I mean, that variability frightens me a little bit. Will, will there be games that need him to play both ways? So he is lower snap percentage player. I agree that he's the best pure wide receiver in the draft. It's just unfortunate that he's good at other stuff. And so because of that, I don't know how high the ceiling can get for him. And I guess that makes him too hot to handle for me relative to players I like at that same spot.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, I understand some people in their drafts, they're cowards. And so I hear what you're saying. Okay, you know, that's fine to take that approach.

[Andy Holloway]

I call the brave, the ones that lean on Trevor Lawrence. It does make, that does make sense.

[Jason Moore]

Do you have any issue Drafting Brian Thomas Jr. No. Okay, so you're, I mean, that's, that's the same quarterback. So if the talent is there for Travis Hunter.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the talent's there, but the, the pecking order is not Hunter then Thomas.

[Jason Moore]

Correct.

[Andy Holloway]

And I do, I think the pecking order in Carolina is Teddy roll McMillan. I think I'm more confident there.

[Jason Moore]

So what about some of the vets that are going behind it? Would you rather have Travis Hunter or Calvin Ridley or Khalil Shakir?

[Andy Holloway]

It depends on the role they play for my fantasy team. I'm not, not a scapegoat answer. Just genuinely like do I have to.

[Jason Moore]

Start this guy every week in a genuine way? It doesn't matter at all. I mean unless this is my first wide receiver I'm drafting somehow in the seventh round.

[Andy Holloway]

Nobody's your flex spot.

[Jason Moore]

No, I mean Travis Hunter's upside is worth it to me. His upside is his athleticism to have just constant breakaway sensational. I mean he was he the second pick in the NFL draft. They.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, yeah. They trade the number two overall to tons of guaranteed money.

[Jason Moore]

This is, this is an incredible, incredible, incredible player. I'm. If I can draft incredible players in the seventh round, I'm going to take the risk. And the best part is this ambiguity might keep him there come August.

[Andy Holloway]

It will.

[Jason Moore]

I sure hope so.

[Andy Holloway]

It probably will. I mean you do. I mean him and Roman Dunes. A you have at least the same argument there because A Dunes, they have to.

[Jason Moore]

They're going right next to each other.

[Andy Holloway]

And has to share, you know, which offense do you like more? Neither guy's going to be the one.

[Jason Moore]

So who would you rather have of those two?

[Andy Holloway]

Rome?

[Jason Moore]

I would rather have Travis Hunter.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they're basically back to back. That's a fun bet at some point. But I do think we need to stay water with Travis Hunter and how this offseason goes because if I feel like this team is the way they're utilizing him in camp is a focal point and offense only and that type of thing I reserve the right to change.

[Jason Moore]

It's tough because when you look at their depth chart you realize what they drafted Travis Hunter to be. You know, they got rid of Christian Kirk, they got rid of Gabe Davis, they got rid of Evan Ingram, they've got Brian Thomas Jr. But then they need Travis Hunter. They need those two guys to be full time wide receivers.

[Andy Holloway]

They do. They do. It makes sense. It's a close one. The last name I want to mention is a player that I am. I'm pretty infatuated with.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, then I know who it is.

[Andy Holloway]

It's Tyler Warren, the tight end. 11 going in the ninth round. This is the third highest rookie tight end draft spot in fantasy football history. Is that true?

[Jason Moore]

Wow, thanks.

[Andy Holloway]

Brock Bowers. But this is. I mean Brock Bowers was an afterthought in drafts last year. He really was.

[Jason Moore]

He was a 7, 7 round pick.

[Andy Holloway]

But tight in 9. If you're drafting him as tight end. 9. I mean, I remember and I'll just own this. It's disgusting, but we all did it. I bypassed Brock Bowers and traded up for Kyle Pitts last year in our league of record draft. Yeah, I mean, that happened.

[Jason Moore]

How's that feel?

[Andy Holloway]

And by trade, it feels as gross as anything could be. It feel like, I know Mike's not feeling well right now. I felt worse when that happened, but it wasn't. Nobody reacted at the draft. It wasn't an illogical decision at the time. Brock Bowers was an eighth round pick.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And when he was drafted in our league, it was like, okay, cool, you're taking your shot on him. Everybody hated. Everybody hated the Raiders. He still did it. Tyler Warren is so talented. And you. And we're sitting here going, oh, Josh Downs might be better than Pittman and Pittman might be better than Downs. Hello.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Anytime you have that discussion at all, you might want to open your eyes to the super freak at tight end that you put on the roster.

[Jason Moore]

That, that discussion of Downs, of Pittman, is the reason why I like Tyler Warren as my favorite rookie tight end this year is because he could easily become the 2 in targets on this team. I don't, I don't see that for Colson Loveland.

[Andy Holloway]

So I love Warren. This is not too hot to handle.

[Jason Moore]

No, I agree. It's not too hot to handle. I'm fine taking a shot. We talked about this earlier, this episode. Once you're tight end seven, you're irrelevant. You're not a difference maker. So when you're drafting someone at tight end 11, you're streaming the position. Let me just find out. Let me take the shot of week one, see if he's on there and gets, you know, two targets or 10 targets.

[Andy Holloway]

This is like the end of an opportunity for me at tight end, too. I mean, tight end also, is that the guys behind him don't have tremendous. Goddard. Okay, no upside. Ferguson, I don't see upside. Dalton Kincaid, you can argue that It's. It'll be all right.

[Jason Moore]

You won't.

[Andy Holloway]

You won't make that argument.

[Jason Moore]

I won't. But you can see the path for true upside there.

[Andy Holloway]

Tucker Kraft has some upside, but there's, There's a lot of. Okay, there you go. I mean, Colson Loveland's back there and Kyle Pitts is back there. Yes. Kyle Pitts. Still being drafted by people. Still being drafted. I thought he'd end up in Miami.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I thought that'd be the name. But no.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Kyle Pitts is still being drafted by people. But I think Tyler Warren's fine.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

There's a round and a half later.

[Jason Moore]

Than Bowers, I think where the rookie tight ends are being drafted this year and it's weird for me to say this, I think they're all fine bets. I mean whether you're talking Colson Loveland, he's going pretty near him or even go later.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason, the tight end, the rookie tight end guy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. But Terrence Ferguson.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I mean Mason Taylor, the Rams and jets respectively, rookie tight ends.

[Andy Holloway]

I think both those guys are going to be pretty full time players.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

At least Mason Taylor.

[Jason Moore]

This is a really deep tight end draft class this year. So I don't have problems with any of the rookie tight ends drafted this year in Redraft.

[Andy Holloway]

Amazing, amazing, amazing sentence.

[Jason Moore]

I do remember saying earlier draft season last year that if Brock Bowers were to do it again, you'd change your tune. That I would, I would adapt and.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, I think that's going to wrap it up for today's episode of the show. We want to get this thing out to you upcoming shows. We have the AFC north breakdown coming up on Thursday. Hopefully we'll have Mike back by then, but we'll be going through each of the divisions. We'll get another mock draft in there down the line. And a reminder again, the Ultimate Draft Kit. You can go over there. The Draft Analyzer released today. It's available as part of the UDK plus or if you're an Ultimate Foot Clan [e-mail] either way, you get it and you can check that out. Ultimate Draft Kit.com all right, that is going to do it for today's show. On behalf of the Bear and Jason Moore, I'm Andy Holloway. Shout out to the Deucers back there in Deucers Alley. We'll be back on Thursday day. Take care.

[Jason Moore]

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