Top 10 QB Rankings + Listener League is Back! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/4

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Podcast Summary: Fantasy Footballers - Top 10 QB Rankings + Listener League is Back!

Episode Title: Top 10 QB Rankings + Listener League is Back!
Release Date: August 4, 2025
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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Listener League Returns

The episode kicks off with an exciting announcement about the return of the Listener League. Andy Holloway invites listeners to join by submitting creative and unique entries, emphasizing the importance of originality over traditional resumes. As Holloway puts it, “We accept it only for this week and we're only going to talk about it right now. So listen up.” [08:03] Jason Moore echoes this sentiment, advising, “Don’t give us your leaderboard resume... Just send us something unique.” [08:34] The Listener League has historically fostered a strong community, introducing notable participants like Brian Ketron, and promises another exciting season ahead.

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News and Updates

Andy Holloway and Jason Moore delve into recent NFL news, providing critical updates on key players and team dynamics:

• James Cook (Buffalo Bills): Cook is holding out due to "business" reasons, leaving Billy Bean, the Bills’ GM, surprised by his sudden absence. Moore highlights, “James Cook is holding out due to business... he just goes, no, I'm not playing anymore.” [10:28] This move suggests Cook is negotiating for a contract extension, a common scenario in dynasty leagues.

• Injuries Across Teams: Multiple players, including Khalil Shakir (high ankle sprain) and Josh Palmer (groin injury), are dealing with setbacks. Holloway remarks on the prevalence of groin injuries, “Man, people aren't stretching right.” [13:53], underscoring the importance of player health in fantasy considerations.

• Terry McLaurin (Washington Commanders): McLaurin has formally requested a trade, a significant move that could impact fantasy lineups heavily reliant on him. Moore notes, “If he were to depart, that is going to massively hurt your Jaden Daniels upside a lot.” [21:05] This potential trade could reshuffle receiver rankings and value.

• Patrick Mahomes (Kansas City Chiefs): Despite being a top-tier quarterback, Moore expresses skepticism about drafting Mahomes early, citing consistency issues: “I am not drafting Patrick Mahomes in the sixth round. I'm not doing that.” [42:10] Holloway concurs, highlighting Mahomes' inconsistent weekly performance despite his overall high fantasy output.

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Top 10 Quarterback Rankings

The core segment of the episode features the hosts’ detailed analysis of their top 10 quarterback rankings for the upcoming fantasy season. Each QB is discussed with insights into their strengths, potential risks, and overall value.

#10 Baker Mayfield

Jason Moore champions Baker Mayfield as a reliable late-round pick: “I am totally comfortable with seventh round Baker Mayfield. Every week starter Baker Mayfield.” [28:41] Holloway acknowledges Mayfield’s improved performance under a new system but cautions against expecting the same rushing stats as last season: “He had more rushing attempts two years ago and he's always been like 150, 160 yards and all of a sudden he had 378. So many breakaway runs, that's not going to repeat in my opinion.” [30:14]

#9 Dak Prescott

Holloway expresses mixed feelings about Dak Prescott, praising his past performances but concerned about his upcoming schedule and potential injuries: “Two out of the last five years he's been great for fantasy, very helpful, help people win. And the other three, he's been injured.” [34:49] Moore adds, “He has a brutal opening schedule.” [36:02] Despite these worries, Prescott remains a solid mid-round option.

#8 Kyler Murray

Known for his dual-threat capabilities, Holloway discusses Kyler Murray's inconsistency: “He was the quarterback 10. He finished as the quarterback 10.” [37:32] However, improvements in his running game and receiving additions could enhance his fantasy value. Moore remains optimistic, noting, “He could be a top five fantasy quarterback this year.” [39:49]

#7 Patrick Mahomes

Despite his elite status, Moore hesitates to rank Mahomes higher due to perceived inconsistency: “I am not drafting Patrick Mahomes in the sixth round. I'm not doing that.” [42:10] Holloway agrees, mentioning Mahomes’ low consistency score and reliance on a strong offensive system: “His consistency percentage was rated an F.” [42:45]

#6 Bo Nix

Moore places Bo Nix in a promising position, highlighting his rushing ability and potential in a supportive system: “He is a riskier pick. But I still think I would rather have him.” [46:33] Holloway supports this view, stressing Nix’s dual-threat nature as a key fantasy asset.

#5 Jaden Daniels

Jaden Daniels earns a spot for his high rushing volume and potential as a breakout star: “Jaden Daniels does that. I salivate at Bo Nix's 92 rushing attempts.” [50:28] Moore emphasizes Daniels’ rushing touchdowns as a consistent floor for fantasy points, making him a valuable mid-tier option.

#4 Joe Burrow

Burrow is recognized for his strong offensive support and consistency: “He is what Mahomes used to have to be.” [51:07] While Holloway initially hesitated, he acknowledges Burrow’s high performance, comparable to Mahomes, and secures him a strong position in the rankings.

#3 Jalen Hurts

Jalen Hurts is praised for his dual-threat capabilities and consistent fantasy production: “Jalen Hurts is a lock for 10 rushing touchdowns.” [55:53] Moore and Holloway agree on Hurts being a top contender, offering both passing and rushing upside, making him a premier fantasy quarterback.

#2 Josh Allen

Josh Allen is lauded for his reliability and high floor: “Josh Allen is just, he's very, very safe.” [56:04] Despite being expensive, his consistent dual-threat ability ensures high fantasy points, securing him a near-top ranking.

#1 Lamar Jackson

Claiming the top spot, Lamar Jackson is celebrated for his explosive rushing ability and improved passing game: Holloway remarks, “He is the best quarterback in the NFL combined with a bad defense and the best weapons.” [51:32] His high rushing yards provide a steady base of fantasy points, solidifying his position as the premier fantasy quarterback.

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Final Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, Moore and Holloway encourage listeners to utilize their Ultimate Draft Kit for detailed player analysis and draft preparation. They also tease upcoming content, including mock drafts and specialized shows like "Ice and Fire," promising comprehensive coverage to help listeners dominate their fantasy leagues.

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Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway: “We accept it only for this week and we're only going to talk about it right now. So listen up.” [08:03]
• Jason Moore: “Don’t give us your leaderboard resume... Just send us something unique.” [08:34]
• Jason Moore: “I am totally comfortable with seventh round Baker Mayfield. Every week starter Baker Mayfield.” [28:41]
• Jason Moore: “He is what Mahomes used to have to be.” [51:07]
• Andy Holloway: “Jaden Daniels does that. I salivate at Bo Nix's 92 rushing attempts.” [50:28]
• Jason Moore: “Josh Allen is just, he's very, very safe.” [56:04]
• Andy Holloway: “He is the best quarterback in the NFL combined with a bad defense and the best weapons.” [51:32]

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This detailed summary captures the essence of the episode, highlighting key discussions on the Listener League, player news, and the comprehensive quarterback rankings, complete with notable quotes and timestamps for reference.

Transcript

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[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike wright.

[Jason Moore]

Man Monday.

[Andy Holloway]

August 4th that's right, Andy, it's a Monday and the Fantasy Footballers Podcast is here.

[Jason Moore]

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. From here on out, every day. Some extra action on Sundays. As the NFL season gets kicked off. We have been inundated with what is it like Family day, inter squad scrimmage highlight films or low light films?

[Andy Holloway]

Highlight films?

[Jason Moore]

Well, it depends if you watch Caleb Williams.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that was.

[Jason Moore]

I think, I think I might. I think I might be worried now.

[Andy Holloway]

Just from that clip. No, if you haven't seen the clip.

[Jason Moore]

All of last year as well.

[Andy Holloway]

Well. Right, well, this is what. So this is what I was talking about earlier in the off season when I came in, I first started Caleb Williams for the udk. I was very bullish. I loved everything around him, the offensive line, the weapons, Ben Johnson. And then after I did that, I went and I watched every throw of.

[Jason Moore]

His and I went and I was slow to accept your words. Now, the truth is, I want to know what clip you're talking about because there's more than one.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I'm talking about which one?

[Jason Moore]

The rolling out. Right.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, are you talking throwing into the net?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, attempting to throw into the net and then missing two thirds of his balls. Didn't hit the like target. The target didn't hit the hold net. The entirety of the net.

[Jason Moore]

He was really Mad. And then like, here's the thing that I kind of got to on that. Like, there's still obviously tremendous amount of potential there for the Bears offense for sure. I, I think I minimized some initial negativity around Caleb Williams earlier in the off season because it was like, oh, it's a play here, a play there. I even tweeted this last weekend about how annoyed I am with Camp Twitter. Right. Like, like every other refresh of my Twitter feed is JJ McCarthy is a bust. That is horrible. Who throws only interceptions to the next refresh. Hall of Famer looks like Mahomes. He can't stop making great passes. His arm looks great. And so that was annoying me. And so I kind of dismissed the Caleb Williams thing. But then here's where I got to this weekend. I think the way I'm translating camp news and information is that I'm willing to accept good becomes better or good becomes a little bit worse, but I don't know if I'm willing to accept bad becomes good.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. I don't think you can prove that.

[Jason Moore]

Like, I don't, I don't. That's it.

[Andy Holloway]

I can only prove that on the NFL field in real games.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Like, I'm fine. I'm fine with Tank Biggs be getting all the work. Maybe he looks really good. Okay. He was pretty good. Now he's better. I'm down with that. But I don't know if I'm willing to accept any non NFL regular season game to prove bad becomes good. And Caleb was more on the bad side as a rookie than he was good.

[Andy Holloway]

So the question is, can you accept bad?

[Jason Moore]

Bad stays bad.

[Andy Holloway]

There's been a lot of Quentin Johnson drops. I mean, he's had some highlights, but he's also had a lot of highlights.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, but I mean, I think, I think he's a confusing player to begin with because he's going to get a ton of work. He did do stuff on the field last year for the Chargers that was valuable, you know, scoring.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, he had touchdowns, but they brought in a lot of pass catchers that are.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, Keenan Allen could arrive there. We got, we got so much to talk about today. We've got a, we got a two man show. If you didn't notice Jay Grizz in the house. Go ahead. Go ahead, Al. I'm sure you've got it ready over there. Mike will be back tomorrow for the Ice and Fire episode, which is a fan favorite and one of our favorite shows. But yeah, it was appropriate. Jay Grizz gets his song once August begins. Couple of headlines before we get into it. We got a top 10 quarterback show today. We got Mailbag. If we have some time, we've got a big announcement to make. We've got news to talk about and we've got the Ultimate Draft Kit, which is available right now atultimate draft kit.com if you got the UDK plus you get the draft Analyzer, it's going to break down your team and your opponents in your league and give you a grade based on all of your different position groups, tell you where to focus. We've got all of our player projections, 100 plus player profile videos, sleepers, breakouts, busts and values. A lot of you have been a part of the UDK family for a long time. We're also adding the Value Scout tool today. We're adding it today.

[Andy Holloway]

I just found that out.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, we're adding it today. So by the time you listen to this, hopefully it will be live and ready for action in the app. We have iOS and Android app and then on the web as well. You can learn more about the udk@ultimate draftkit.com make sure you're ready for your draft. We are five days a week, as you said. We also have a special August miniseries That is on YouTube. Exclusively YouTube.com the fantasy footballers. Every Saturday, we'll be doing a deep dive on some of our research processes and some various tips for you to check out.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, it really, truly is getting to where we are pretty much every single day of the week because our Saturday specials coming out our Sunday live here in a couple weeks. We're just content machines, you know.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, yes. We plug into the matrix and produce content all the time thanks to this awesome team that we've got. And here's the announcement, Mr. Moore. We get to do this one without Mike. Yeah, the Listener League.

[Andy Holloway]

Just how we play in the Listener League as well. It's like, you know, Mike's usually, you know, it's you and I straggling behind in the, you know, in the leaderboard, we're all making the playoffs.

[Jason Moore]

Is that what you call the standings in our Listener league? The leaderboard.

[Andy Holloway]

You call it the leaderboard. I call it the leaderboard.

[Jason Moore]

You're doing okay this morning.

[Andy Holloway]

You know what it is, morning shows. Now, Jason, first morning showed a long time. I did have a coffee at a very large coffee in my league. Have you won the championship in the Listener League?

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, okay. Well, I've won twice. I've won twice. So don't come at me for once. A leaderboard now. Anyways, if you want to join our listener league, we are opening up submissions right now.

[Jason Moore]

One week.

[Andy Holloway]

We accept it only for this week and we're only going to talk about it right now. So listen up. It's Listener League Fantasy Footballers dot com. That's where you're going to email your submission. If you make a cool video, you do something cool. It is always humbling and awesome to see, you know, the hundreds of requests and we will have a great year. Also, if you for some reason submit something awesome and you just don't make it in because obviously we make it a 14 team league.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

Just so we can bus more and more people in, we will have the Megalobol coming out soon and if you win that, you're also in the listener league. So lots, lots of cool things. But if you want to play with us this year in our listener league, we talk about on the show. Send your submission to listener league@fantasy footballers.com and since Mike's not here, I'll say what Mike usually says, which is don't send us this big.

[Jason Moore]

Don't give us your, your leaderboard resume. As Jason would say, don't give us your stance, how well you've done in all your leagues. Just send us something unique.

[Andy Holloway]

Mm.

[Jason Moore]

Don't send us a two paragraph essay we can barely read.

[Andy Holloway]

We want cool. Yeah. We want cool people. We want to play with fun people.

[Jason Moore]

So we've had really neat things over the years. Videos. This is where we met creativity.

[Andy Holloway]

This is where we met Brooks.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Through the listener league, we met Brian Ketron, the biggest loser. Through the listener league, we've had a lot of.

[Jason Moore]

So one week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, a lot of people part of this show through that.

[Jason Moore]

It's, it's a good time.

[Andy Holloway]

And one more time, listen to league.

[Jason Moore]

If you win the listener league, you come back for the following year.

[Andy Holloway]

That is right. Listener league@fantasy footballers.com.

[Jason Moore]

Yep. All right, let's talk some news.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league.

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[Jason Moore]

All right, we have James Cook now standing on business. Business. Time for James Cook. He is not practicing Sunday Monday due to business.

[Andy Holloway]

And he's got an injured. Business.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he has a sore business. We also got the word from Billy Bean, the general manager of the Bills, that he was blindsided by Cook's sudden opting out of practice, which I mean, blindsided. Well, he had been there. He had been there and practicing. Then all of a sudden one day he just goes, no, I'm not playing anymore.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

So it's not one of those, like.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you shocked that he's holding in?

[Jason Moore]

Yes. In this form, yes. Not in. If you, if you had told me he was going to hold in and he had done that since the beginning of camp a la Terry McClaurin style or whatever, like, okay, but just randomly, like being there and practicing and doing a bunch of stuff.

[Andy Holloway]

He wanted to show him what they had and then be like, oh, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You get a little taste.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Okay. So yeah, James Cook wants money.

[Andy Holloway]

That makes sense. He's due for a contract extension. I don't think it gets done. This is. We talked about it on the Dynasty show that there are some contracts you have to just kind of project in Dynasty. Like, I think Kyro and Williams deal will get done. I don't believe James Cooks will. But by the way, I think I.

[Jason Moore]

Said Billy Bean, not the Moneyball gm. It's Brandon Bean for the Bills. You see the Bills. Brandon Bean for general manager.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. I didn't correct you.

[Jason Moore]

You never seen Moneyball?

[Andy Holloway]

I did. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Khalil Shakir, week to week with a high ankle sprain.

[Andy Holloway]

Not just him, Josh Palmer with groin. Groin injury. That depth chart there, that was already.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Is this your plan to get Keon Coleman more activity in the offense? I mean, it's kind of mean.

[Andy Holloway]

It's good news for Keon Coleman for the opportunity. I still believe he's the only player there that has any chance of a breakout. I don't believe the breakout is going to happen, but at least he has more opportunity to, you know, develop a rapport with Josh Allen. Elijah Moore is there and honestly, if you're talking about Khalil Shakira, that player would be more of an Elijah Moore type.

[Jason Moore]

Curtis Samuel.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Curtis Samuel. Although I believe he is currently injured as well.

[Jason Moore]

He's always injured.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, he is.

[Jason Moore]

Sean McVeigh. Matthew Stafford.

[Andy Holloway]

This is getting scarier.

[Jason Moore]

Is it scaring you? Because the Rams, you know, he's been navigating a back injury again. The word from camp seems to be like eventually he's going to be back out there and playing.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. I hope so.

[Jason Moore]

The more it hasn't been like ominous from them other than the absence of Stafford. But he's a veteran. He's second oldest quarterback in football.

[Andy Holloway]

I believe you knew that he wasn't going to play any preseason. None of the Rams play preseason games. But they do really value their inter team scrimmages and Stafford is not taking part in those. And then there was the rumor. I'LL call it a rumor. I didn't see any confirmed for sure report, but it seemed like it was going around that he had another doctor visit. Like a, like. And you just, you don't do that when you're in the recovery process. That is expected in the timeline. Like, okay, we're just. He went to seek another doctor, so I'm getting a little scared.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. The last call from McVeigh. Looking forward to getting him and easing him back into football, hopefully in the near future. Yeah, there's a little, little worry there. Groinindex.com has been active.

[Andy Holloway]

A week ago we talked about like, there was nobody on it. And I think we.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, it was like cursed.

[Andy Holloway]

Some groins out there.

[Jason Moore]

Some groins are hurting. Tucker Kraft, groin injury. Guess he's been practicing through it. They gave him a couple days off. T.J. hawkinson, groin injury. Michael Pittman, groin city.

[Andy Holloway]

Joshua Palmer was a groin.

[Jason Moore]

Terrence Ferguson, groin injury.

[Andy Holloway]

Marshawn Lloyd, groin injury. This is. Man, people aren't stretching right.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, no, no. Do your runner stretch, folks. A.J.

[Andy Holloway]

Brown, is that the butterfly?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah, that would help the groin. Yeah. Sorry about that. AJ Brown, dealing with a hamstring injury. He basically swapped spots with Devonta Smith, who came back to practice. Like, they both can't be back. So that's what it is. A.J. brown, hamstring injury. A lot of soft tissue issues in the camp season, and that includes Cam Scatterboo, who aggravated his hamstring injury. But the MRA MRI was optimistic as of this morning.

[Andy Holloway]

No. Fill me in here.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

When I feel like when you get a hamstring injury, you don't always get an mri like, oh, I pulled my hamstring. It's a little tight. I don't know for sure. Not a doctor, not a team doctor. But do like every time a player pulls their hamstring a little, do they always go get an MRI to check? Because when I saw this and it's like, oh, the MRI was. Was good. It was optimistic. It's like, I think, wait a minute. He got an mri. Like, there's a pretty serious hamstring injury.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, I would imagine that not everyone that happens to. But it's how you grade them. So they probably with the re aggravation wanted to see how bad it is.

[Andy Holloway]

Because they got like a C plus.

[Jason Moore]

No, not quite. Not quite. But yeah. I mean, I think he's. They're hoping to have him back. He's been making a lot of plays in camp.

[Andy Holloway]

I love here's one of you're a.

[Jason Moore]

Big Scatter Boo fan.

[Andy Holloway]

I am a huge Scatter Boo fan. I think he's fantastic. And I believe that every analyst, when you watch the film in college, you're just like, wow, no one can tackle him. I mean, you look at his numbers, and they are legitimately. Christian McCaffrey. Christian McCaffrey esque. The question was, can it translate? Can that play style work in the NFL? Still to be determined. Obviously, he hasn't played a game, but when you see these camp videos of him running away from NFL defenders, you know, breaking NFL defender tackles, when the pads go on, it's like, oh, okay. He looks like he's doing here what he did in college.

[Jason Moore]

What do you think the recipe is? This is one of the reasons why I have a little bit of hesitation on Malik Neighbors having a spectacular year is just that, like, the recipe for me in New York doesn't involve throwing the ball as much as they did in previous years. I mean, what do you have, 170 targets or something last year? So it's like.

[Andy Holloway]

And I believe that was with missed games.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And so you're looking at a defense that looks pretty good. Right. And then you've got a running game they're trying to develop with Tracy and Scatter Boo. And I wouldn't want Russell Wilson throwing it as much. And so I just wonder if their recipe is not like touchdowns weren't a part of the neighbor's equation. It was massive, massive, massive target volume. It just, it leaves me a little bit like, actually Neighbors and Brian Thomas, I have a little bit of hesitation on both of them. Not because of talent, but because of situations like Travis Hunter has been unbelievable in Jacksonville. Do you have any worry about Brian Thomas? Because Travis Hunter, I mean, for a lot of reports is the best wide receiver in camp. I would say that it's like, how do you bring that kind of a guy in there and not. I mean, they had no Kirk, no Ingram. Thomas got all the volume, dude. Trevor Lawrence missed time when Thomas was the best. Like, it gives me.

[Andy Holloway]

Brian Thomas has more worry because of Travis Hunter. Certainly Malik neighbors. I have 0.0 worry. I mean, my worry meter on him is so low. You're right. It was 170 targets with two missed games. And they will definitely not want to throw as much. But that's, you know, are they a good team? Are they going to be winning games? Are they going to be losing games the first half? They're going to try to establish it, have a good defense, run the Ball. But I remember when we were going through our divisional breakdown, I believe they have like very few games this season where they're even favored. And so by the end of the game they're going to need to throw the ball a lot. When they do, there's no one to throw the ball to other than Malik Neighbors who had a 35% target share last year.

[Jason Moore]

That's the thing. It's like, obviously I think Neighbors is one of the best talents in the game. I guess I just mean like are Brian Thomas and Malik Neighbors in contention for you and finishing top three? Because sometimes when you're taking these players because wherever Neighbors is going, wide receiver seven or something and Brian Thomas, I think I'm ranked lower than you guys. But are they still top three finisher contention for you?

[Andy Holloway]

For sure not. I think Brian Thomas is a little bit more kept. But I think Malik Neighbors is just that dude. I mean you want to talk camp highlights, right? Like you see so many dumb things coming out of camp, you know, like oh look, he's making touchdowns look easy when he's literally in one on ones or no defender. It's, you know, silly videos. But then you watch. I am seeing so many different touchdown celebrations and touchdown scores and toe tap touchdowns. A touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown from Malik Neighbors in camp. And they're not all coming in like red zone drills. He is special. He's just so good.

[Jason Moore]

I'm looking at this because I want to look points per game because he missed time last year he was eighth in points per game on 170 targets. So like from a target perspective you see the differential between like him and Chase had the same amount of targets basically. But Chase had 17 touchdowns. He had seven. Yeah, I mean it's just like they're not, I mean like you said, it's going to be down. But that doesn't mean that that also means they're not going to score a lot of points. It just makes me Wonder if that 7, 8 territory is kind of where he's going to be.

[Andy Holloway]

They are favorite. I don't have any doubt that. I mean I don't have him ranked in the top three. I think he'll be closer to seven or eight this year because I don't believe he is going to have double digit touchdowns. But there is a world here. They're only favored in one game the entire season. How many games does Russell Wilson start?

[Jason Moore]

Well, that's another thing that's going to happen.

[Andy Holloway]

They're going to change quarterbacks, they're going to Change quarterbacks. But they really don't want to bring Jackson Dart in. I mean, that's their hope.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, is this your Jamis story?

[Andy Holloway]

Can you even fathom Jerry Judy was the wide receiver 4 in points per game with Jameis Malik Neighbors, dude.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man, you love Jameis.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I love him for fantasy.

[Jason Moore]

Have we talked about Terry McClaurin requesting a trade?

[Andy Holloway]

We have not. I mean, we have, but we haven't on the show.

[Jason Moore]

So not only him, but Michael Parsons as well. But McLaurin's relevant to this situation here. He's formally requested a trade. It's not likely he'll be traded.

[Andy Holloway]

That feels like a threat. Like, like Micah Parsons feels like I am not a cowboy anymore. He came out and posted public.

[Jason Moore]

He'll be a cowboy. I think he'll be a cowboy. We've been here. Trey Hendrickson, I mean, he's in camp now. Like he's. He requested a trade months ago. It's very, very rare for these guys to get traded in these situations.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, it is. I mean, we saw John Miller got traded in one of these situations. But you think Micah Parsons leaves.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I don't.

[Andy Holloway]

But Terry McLaurin, I don't think anyone in the world believes is getting traded.

[Jason Moore]

If he does, the implications are huge for Jaden Daniels, for Debo Samuel, for Zach Ertz. If he were to depart. That. That is going to massive fantasy. Yeah. That's just going to hurt your Jaden Daniels upside a lot.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Not that they don't have other players that I think can, you know, that are pretty talented and he can get a lot done with the legs and everything, but that would suck. I mean, you need a premier wide receiver.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I would imagine the only way they traded him is if they were to go get another premium wide receiver that's younger.

[Jason Moore]

I think they're in a terrible spot too. Washington, like this is a 30 year old wide receiver that wants to break the bank. He wants DK Metcalf money.

[Andy Holloway]

I would pay him DK Metcalf money all front loaded in the first two years of his contract. His per year should be astronomical. His.

[Jason Moore]

So he can be proud of it.

[Andy Holloway]

So he can be proud of it. He can say he, you know, and get a lot of money. But then he should have no money guaranteed. Three years from now he's going to be too old and then you'll have to pay for Jaden.

[Jason Moore]

At least. All indicators right now is they have no interest in trading him. So there you go. That was today's News and Notes. Sponsored by Progressive Insurance quote [e-mail] Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and third party insurers not available in all states or situations. Coverage subject to policy terms, limits and conditions. We are going to take a quick break and we'll get into the countdown. Jay, it's time to talk quarterbacks.

[Andy Holloway]

Quarterbacks.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we're counting down our consensus top 10 rankings at the quarterback position. We're looking at 4 point per touchdown rankings today. And it, you know, it's always interesting diagnosing what quarterbacks you want to take a shot on. Do you want to spend the high draft capital? Where are you in this? You know we, this is year 11 for the show. We've gone through some ebbs and flows on quarterback sentiment and where you want to take them and maybe a bunch of years of experiencing top tier versus the streaming situation. Like what are you the most comfortable with going into 2025?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think there's a few targets that I have on my quarterbacks this year and it really, really depends draft by draft because the average draft price of some of these players like Josh Allen, of course, I'd love to have him, Lamar Jackson, be awesome for your fantasy team. They're Jalen Hurts, Jaden Daniels. These guys aren't going to bust outside of getting injured. So you're not going to be wasting your draft pick. However, there's massive opportunity cost. If Josh Allen is a second rounder, there's no way I'm taking him because if he does what he did last year, which was finished I believe as the quarterback two, maybe even quarterback one if you look points per game in that week 17 or week 18 taken out but he didn't really win people fantasy championships because you sacrifice such a good player. However, in certain leagues, like in our leagues, you know when we do our mock drafts on the show that are all humans and we're not just, you know, mock drafting against animals, against animals and robots.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, all of a sudden you start seeing some of these guys go down into the fourth round, the fifth round that are the top tier quarterbacks and at that point I'll absolutely pull the trigger. You know, once you get to the fourth round, I think that's worth pulling the trigger on the elite quarterbacks and then outside of that I'm skipping and bypassing and getting a late one. Some of the guys we'll talk about today, I think late round quarterbacks that run the ball hopeful upside from a Drake May, a Kyler Murray and I, this name has been cycling through. I mean Just a, just a, a twister of back and forth.

[Jason Moore]

Are you going to say Anthony Richardson?

[Andy Holloway]

I am going to say Anthony Richardson. He needs to be drafted.

[Jason Moore]

So last, last off season, I spent most of the off season telling you not to draft Anthony Richardson.

[Andy Holloway]

But you said get Jaden Daniels, not Anthony Richardson over and over and over.

[Jason Moore]

But that, you know, he's a, what bothered me so much is he's a fifth round pick.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And he'd never proven anything.

[Jason Moore]

Right. And so as a, you know, that's not the cost, the risk reward for Anthony Richardson at this point. So it is worth mentioning right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Anthony Richardson is being drafted behind Matthew Stafford. Like he's, he costs nothing. He doesn't even have to be your main quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

Just have him be your last pick in the draft. If you ended up with a late round guy like somebody that you are taking a chance on, maybe it's Jordan Love, Bo Nix, Tyler.

[Andy Holloway]

Absolutely.

[Jason Moore]

And just drop him if he doesn't do anything or isn't the starter 100%.

[Andy Holloway]

But he's the one and only player that I think I would do that even if I took Lamar Jackson in.

[Jason Moore]

Fourth just for value potential.

[Andy Holloway]

Just because if he comes out week one and is awesome and it look and he's just winning the job, you have an incredible trade asset in either guy. I mean that's where you, you know, if you believe that it's going to happen then you trade your Lamar, you trade your Josh Allen for a haul and then you still have a good quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

One of the things that we pulled some Data on Since 2018, if you look at the top 10 quarterbacks as a group, 88% of their fantasy points come from throwing the football, 12% from running. If you go down to the top five, that goes to 85, 15. If you look at the number one quarterback since 2018, it goes to 79, 21. In terms of fantasy points come from running the football. So you know, the one thing I might take issue with your comments about Richardson on is the he, if he's awesome because maybe he's not awesome for football but he's awesome for fantasy.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, that's what I mean.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I know, I know, I know. It's just like he could be one of those guys that's mediocre as a, you know, as a NFL quarterback, which I think he is. But come out there and as long as he's a starter, he could give you some value. And if he's free, that's a lot different than the fifth round. And you know, fifth round meant you were committing yourself to Richardson as your starter last year. That was the problem too is like you don't even get another choice. You're spending such a high pick.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And it buries your season. I mean, if you, if you take a fourth, fifth, sixth round quarterback, you're now saying you're my starter. And if that player stinks for the first three or four weeks, you're in a huge hole. I still believe 45% of his fantasy points last year came on the ground.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, have you seen him throwing? I still.

[Jason Moore]

45% was also his completion.

[Andy Holloway]

Percent. This is, this is a very, very difficult thing to say on the record because it sounds dumb and I'm always willing to sound dumb. I still believe Anthony Richardson can develop into a good NFL quarterback, not just fantasy. I think he can actually become a good, good quarterback where five years from now, you know, he's just, he's in the MVP race.

[Jason Moore]

The development has to happen now, though.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, for sure.

[Jason Moore]

It has to be in the next.

[Andy Holloway]

He's not going to get. Yeah, he's not going to get two more years to keep trying. And it took Josh Allen, what, Into his third season before he. Is that when he got Stefan Diggs second? Oh, is it his second?

[Jason Moore]

I thought it was his second. Or maybe he stepped up in fantasy in the second year and got. Got Diggs in the third year.

[Andy Holloway]

I want to say it was the.

[Jason Moore]

Third year, but I mean, that is not. There are. There are infinitely more. Deshaun Kaiser's and Marcus Mario.

[Andy Holloway]

There's one Josh Allen.

[Jason Moore]

There's one Josh Allen. So I don't want that to be the standard, but that can be the hope. We can do that. All right, let's kick it off. Number 10, Baker Mayfield.

[Adrian]

Laser.

[Jason Moore]

All right, I. Look, we have a humongous disparity in our personal rankings that I did not realize until this moment in time. I have him at 6, Jason at 13, Mike at 14. He was. He's being drafted as the QB7. I have said it and I guess I'll say it again. I am totally comfortable with seventh round Baker Mayfield. Every week starter Baker Mayfield. We've talked ad nauseam about our views on his history versus his recent history. I love him. Igbuka, you got Evans, Godwin, McMillan, Otten, White, Irving, who had an impressive camp wheel route, diving catch the other day. You can catch the football. Look, I just love their offense. I love the new Baker. This is the quarterback three last year, Quarterback ten the year before. I see him Right in the middle of that. That's why I got him at 6. I don't think last year's touchdowns are going to be easily repeatable, but I do think 35 ish is in the range of outcomes and I just love the offense. So, you know, last year was very, very special. He was the third player in NFL history with 4,500 plus yards, 40 plus touchdowns and over a 70% completion percentage.

[Andy Holloway]

Magical.

[Jason Moore]

Like that is. That is also like part of my ammo for the. This is a different player than we saw early in his career because you just, you cannot accomplish that over 17 weeks with the baker. We saw the first three or four or five years in Cleveland and you know, the Carolina camp and all of that. So It's a number 10. You know, maybe we balance out.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we do. You know, I've got him at number nine in six point passing.

[Jason Moore]

That's right.

[Andy Holloway]

This is four point per passing touchdown because he's not a super mobile rushing quarterback. Last year, 378 rushing yards. That was awesome. That's why he really propelled up to number three. But that is the outlier and that is not a system thing. Like maybe he leveled up as a passer. He leveled up in this system. He's gotten used to his weapons in Tampa Bay. I can totally agree with the argument that as a passer he's just better. He's not old Baker career stats, but there's no way that at this age he just leveled up as a, as a rushing, you know, he didn't rush more. He had more rushing attempts two years ago and he's always been like 150, 160 yards and all of a sudden he had 378. So many breakaway runs, that's, that's not going to repeat in my opinion. And so I also think, look, Igbuka is awesome. He is. You know, I said I think he's the best wide receiver in this draft class. Not necessarily for fantasy because I don't think he's got the Ted McMillan type of upside, but just as far as like an NFL wide receiver. He is so good, but he's not as good as veteran Chris Godwin as a, as a current rookie. And Chris Godwin might be hampered. So I don't, I don't know that the beginning of the year is really better weapons for Baker this year than last year.

[Jason Moore]

I think Buka this, I think Igbuka could be the most productive rookie wide receiver certainly possible. I actually believe it's, it's possible. But one of the question marks around the team is a new offensive coordinator. They've come out and he's made comments about basically small tweaks to an existing working system which is what we've expected.

[Andy Holloway]

Has Baker ever had.

[Jason Moore]

Baker's always had to dealt like has.

[Andy Holloway]

He ever had a. The same coordinator two years in a row? I genuinely don't know if he ever has.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not sure if he has or not. He might have but it was, you know, probably a coordinator that should have been fired in Cleveland. But he went from Canalis to Cohen to Grizzard. Now who is making small tweaks doing established offense. Is that how he prefers it? He prefers Grizzard?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think he prefers.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Jay Grizzly. Grizzly, yeah. But last year I mean fourth and points per game, third and yards per game. An amazing offense. And again I. The chance you're taking with other quarterbacks is not the one that Baker represents to me. He's not a huge risk.

[Andy Holloway]

I would agree with that. I don't see him having a monumental upside. So it's about where he is in the draft. You're comfortable grabbing him in the seventh round? I think I prefer some of the other players that are there and I think I prefer some of the core quarterbacks that go a little bit later than him. But I also do not believe that if you draft Baker in the seventh that's going to like crush your ability to win in fantasy. He's a good quarterback. He's going to be, you know, probably a low end quarterback. One in six point passing touchdown leagues.

[Jason Moore]

Well, here's one last bit I want to mention because I'm looking at the consistency percentages in the UDK and we. So we have consistency charts that chart out. We give you the consistency grades but the consistency percentages chart actually breaks down the percentage of time that a player finishes the week as quarterback. 1 through 6, 7 through 12. Right. So you look at that last year there's only two players that did 50% of the time, Lamar and him. Lamar and Baker. The Next closest is 38% Burrow Allen.

[Andy Holloway]

He was so consistent.

[Jason Moore]

I mean Jaden Daniels, just to give you perspective on how good of a year he had because certain weeks were amazing week winning weeks. Jayden Daniels was 33% of the time as the top six quarterback on the case on this on a week. So that just speaks so much to what he was capable of doing. 50% of the time him and Lamar are the only ones. All right, moving on, number nine, Dak Prescott.

[Andy Holloway]

I Love Dak Prescott this year, but I'm scared about the beginning.

[Jason Moore]

I'm, you know, I'm very confident that they won't be able to run the ball well.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

But I'm not.

[Andy Holloway]

What if Micah Parsons is traded?

[Jason Moore]

That would be good for their offense.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

But their defense took a huge step back last year and Dak obviously only played eight games. He has not. I guess he's played one full season in the last five.

[Andy Holloway]

Is that true?

[Jason Moore]

Yes, yes. He played 16 games in 2021.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, okay. All right. So we'll call that a full season.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. So he's played. He's played a full season to. He's McCaffrey of the quarterback position.

[Andy Holloway]

Right?

[Jason Moore]

Sort of. I mean he really is.

[Andy Holloway]

Two out of the last five years he's been great for fantasy, very helpful, help people win. And the other three, he's been injured.

[Jason Moore]

That is it.

[Andy Holloway]

That's identical to McCaffrey.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So you know he was a league winning quarterback in 2023.

[Andy Holloway]

I hate that. Because it was your quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it was great. And CD Lamb, George Pickens. Ferguson just signed a new contract. Dallas plays faster. In the last two years they played very fast. Number five in plays per game. That matters. Seventh and red zone plays per game. Fifth in points per game. All of those things really matter now. The offensive line is not what it once was when Dak was kind of a perennial finisher. I mean, part of getting hurt too is that protection and the offensive line. And I am worried about that. But just for the haters who think I hate Dallas, I mean I've got Dak at seven and four point. That's the highest of the three of us. So you know, that's how it should play out. But you are taking some risks with Dak from a health standpoint. And even the year, I want to mention this, even the year in 2023 where he finished a quarterback 3 and 1 championships, he was not startable at the beginning of the year.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh no, he. That's what I mean. He got off to such a bad start. I think this season is going to be good, but I worry about the start again this year. He's got a brutal opening schedule.

[Jason Moore]

Philly in Philly, the Giants and that defense. Chicago and then Green Bay.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And I believe it's one or two more weeks. I think it's the jets after that. That's from memory. I don't have the schedule in front of me. It's. It's not good. From a passing defenses scheduled to open the year But I also think he has never been set up quite as well like George as his wide receiver too is a monstrous upgrade. It's really valuable to him to have someone else to open up the field to. He's a good quarterback. He's literally never not been a quarterback, one without a season ending injury in his entire career. So I believe with a bad defense, no running game and his, you know, upgraded receiving weapons, he's set up to succeed.

[Jason Moore]

I will say this though. If you look at last year, he was not going to be a top quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

That's why he got injured. He's like, I got to keep this.

[Jason Moore]

I was going to say that's a good way out, but you know, it was a bad run. I mean, he had, he had a number one overall game against Baltimore in week three, but outside of that, 22, 15, 11, 12, 28, 18, 22, and these are games against, you know, Atlanta, New Orleans, he was the middle of the pack. So even with the. I know George represents a lot of to you guys, but it was not with the offensive line issues. I think you might have seen a little bit of a prequel last year. That's my worry about him. Let's talk about somebody else. We constantly worry about Number eight, Kyler. Kyler Murray.

[Andy Holloway]

I hate talking about Kyler.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, Kyler.

[Andy Holloway]

As a Cardinal fan, that's why Kyler.

[Jason Moore]

Is, I would say three years into. He's been frustrating for fantasy players for three straight years.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he sucked last year. He was the quarterback 10. He finished as the quarterback 10. But if you want, if you had to watch him play football, it was.

[Jason Moore]

20 in your heart.

[Andy Holloway]

Maddening. He was a C in consistency. He would have great games, look awesome. And then the next week it's like, I don't know, man. I don't know if it's the Call of Duty thing.

[Jason Moore]

I'm pretty worried about Kyler because I don't. I think the team learned a little bit of a recipe last year and I think, you know, James Connor, we didn't mention it in the news. James Conner coming out, talking about him and Trey Benson being RB ones together. If you listen to the offensive coordinator and head coach, they don't seem to think that's the way it's going to be. But they are going to commit to the run. They've got a defense that has a chance to take a step forward. And the one thing that concerns me, and this is somebody you know, I like Marvin a lot this year for the value. But why do I worry about Marvin? I Don't worry about Marvin for his talent, ability, route, running, physicality, any of it. I think Marvin is more than capable of a huge season. I worry about Kyler. I worry about. You rarely see Kyler get into kind of that flow state as a quarterback and go back to. Back to. Back to the. To the same wide receiver. It's been a while since we've seen that level of effectiveness. You can go back to Hopkins, basically. He had it going with Hopkins, but it's been. It's been a minute.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it has. That being said, his draft price reflects the frustration of the last few years. He finished as the quarterback 10 last year in what we think was a bad year. He didn't have a good receiving core and obviously rookie Marvin Harrison wasn't ready. Rookie Marvin or sophomore Marvin Harrison looks pretty darn good in camp. He's bulked up in size. He's catching everything. He's got McBride out there. And so when you're telling me he's two rounds, almost three rounds later than Baker Mayfield and he runs. And Kyler's been on the record this off season saying he watched Lamar and he realizes he really needs to run the ball more, which is awesome for Fantasy. You can see a path where Kyler could be a top five fantasy quarterback this year.

[Jason Moore]

I see him.

[Andy Holloway]

He's already done it around and a.

[Jason Moore]

Half ahead of Baker, round behind Baker behind.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Jason Moore]

You said two or three rounds. I was just clarifying.

[Andy Holloway]

I see him at the 811, so like almost the 9th round. Maybe different ADP sources, but so to me, the value on Kyler as a later quarterback who is mobile and if things click, if he does run the ball more, he's got the ability to, like, if Kyler, as a Cardinal fan, we have, I think for years been like, why don't you run the ball more? It's like his superpower and he doesn't use it the way that Lamar uses his, the way that, you know, and it's not like Lamar is Josh Allen or Jalen hurts, one of these big, humongous guys. He's taken hits. Kyler's always been afraid of the hits.

[Jason Moore]

And it was the second highest rushing total in his career last year. But I don't expect anything to fundamentally change about Kyler seven years in.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we know he's not. We know he's not a world beater. He's not going to be, you know, the MVP of the league. So, I don't know. Are you fine drafting Kyler where he's going you'd rather have Baker in the second? I don't.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think I'm drafting Kyler very often. No, I'd rather have Baker around and a half earlier and I'd rather take shots on players that like Jordan, love Bo Nicks. No, I don't. I don't like because I think I know Arizona and I think I know Arizona wants to manage it. They're not going to win it through the air very often.

[Andy Holloway]

It is worth pointing out their draft this year. I believe they drafted one offensive lineman in the third or fourth round and every other pick was defense. Every single thing. What they did in the free agency was go and sign Calais Campbell and sweat they. You're 100% right. What they desire to do is to be a defensive team.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I mean, look outside of Marvin Harrison, who are your wide receivers? Zay Jones gets talked about right now. Love Zay Jones at camp. That should tell you where they're at. Michael Wilson, banged up, he's your number two. So it is just Trey McBride. But yeah, yeah, I just meant like no new additions. You know, this is the same group that they're running out there. Moving on though, bigger name.

[Andy Holloway]

Number seven, Patrick Mahomes. Big name.

[Jason Moore]

I. It looks like I'm the lowest in four point on Patrick Mahomes at 11.

[Andy Holloway]

I wish it was me. I don't like having him at seven.

[Jason Moore]

I'll be honest, this is the most undraftable quarterback on our list. I am not drafting Patrick Mahomes in the sixth round. I'm not doing that.

[Andy Holloway]

Patrick Mahomes.

[Jason Moore]

I can wait around and get. And get Baker.

[Andy Holloway]

This is where you need context.

[Jason Moore]

11% of the time last year Patrick Mahomes had a quarterback one to six.

[Andy Holloway]

Finish his consistent.

[Jason Moore]

That would be one game.

[Andy Holloway]

His consistency percentage was rated an F. He was.

[Jason Moore]

How low does our scale go though?

[Andy Holloway]

It's F is the lowest. We don't give out F minuses. If we did, Patrick Mahomes would have it. And here's the craziest part. Patrick Mahomes was the quarterback 11 last year. Okay. So I. At the end of the year, he's going to have enough stats accumulated to have a decent season. It's very. We've talked about in the past. Philip Rivers did this year after year after year after year. He'd play the whole season, he'd throw enough. You know, he's going to. He's going to throw the ball a ton. A lot of screens, a lot of dink and dunks and Philip Rivers Would finish as the quarterback 11, quarterback 8, quarterback 10. But you cannot pick them and play them every week to have happiness and success. And so I still think that's where Mahomes is at right now. They've talked about wanting to throw the ball down the field more but I don't know that they really, really are going to be.

[Jason Moore]

Now you don't have Rashi Rice for maybe eight weeks. Yeah, that, that hurts the upside case for Mahomes as well for sure.

[Andy Holloway]

So yeah, I mean Mahomes is the cheapest that you can ever get him. And when you leave your draft, you're going to like your team more than.

[Jason Moore]

You should because of how it looks with that name.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you're going to be like, oh my quarterback is locked in. If Mahomes has a magical season and I do think Mahomes will get it together like by the time he retires I think he'll have more seasons in his future with really good fantasy finishes. You know where he's, where he is. Top five, it doesn't appear to be this year with the oldest yet, Travis Kelsey, a suspended Rashi Rice. He just doesn't have the weapons and the defense is really, really good.

[Jason Moore]

Since 2018 he's returned his draft cost one time. So that, that tells you where we are.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't drive with Mahomes. Mahomes number six.

[Jason Moore]

Bo Nicks, number six. This one is. It's wild if you look back a year ago that the thought that we could be ranking Bonix ahead of Patrick Mahomes at number six, 25 years old on a Denver team. That is, you know, pretty exciting.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean he did finish ahead of Patrick Mahomes last year.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean 29 passing touchdowns on the year, second most ever for a rookie quarterback. Cortland Sutton's locked up. They have a bunch of versatile wide receiver talent beyond Cortland Sutton. It was a really impressive year if you want to look for red flags. Most batted balls on the entire year tied with Geno, 4th highest check down rate. So taking easier like he was completing easier passes. 60% of his targets were less than 10 yards.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean it's very Drew Brees. Right? It's the Sean.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, you're right.

[Andy Holloway]

Drew Brees was always batted down at the line because you get the ball out quick. Except now you've got someone who's a dual threat. And that's why I love Bo Nix is because he can. You know, he rushed the ball 92 times last year. That's an incredible number. And he's got the wheels to be able to do it 430 yards. So you're getting a late quarterback who last year finished as the quarterback 7. Despite the first month of the season. You know, he was reined in. He was a brand new rookie. Like those first four weeks, the split from there from how they utilized him the rest of the season. You're talking about the first four weeks would have been a pace of 2,800 passing yards. To the rest of the season would have been a pace of 4,000 passing yards.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean it is definitely. I think, I think you're not going to be happy if he doesn't take a step forward or at least continue that second half pace like you're talking about. I mean you need him to take a step forward to be drafted. You know, are you going to be happy? Do you want Baker at the top of the seventh? You want Bo at the back? You've been a Bo Knicks guy. I've been the Baker guy in that round.

[Andy Holloway]

I think Baker is the safer option. Baker is not going to come out and fall on his face for fantasy completely. Bonix could absolutely fall in his face.

[Jason Moore]

C.J. stroud.

[Andy Holloway]

But yeah, he could see the running.

[Jason Moore]

Game could work better.

[Andy Holloway]

So he's a riskier pick. But I still think I would rather have him. His rushing upside. The fact that he could level up as, you know, as a. The difference in fantasy you look last year between Jaden Daniels and Bo Nix is not as drastic as you think. But you look at where Jaden Daniels is being drafted and where Bo Nix is being drafted, it is vastly different. So I'll take the shot on Bo Nix. He's a perfect quarterback to pair with another risky, you know, Anthony Richardson later and just hope that you see that year two step forward, not step back in a great system with weapons and you know, the fact that now he's got someone to check the ball down to and the receipt. He passed a lot of passes to Javante Williams who then did jack squat with it. And now RJ Harvey out of the backfield as a pass catcher, I think will be really.

[Jason Moore]

And Evan Ingram has arrived.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Who you hate. We'll take a break. We'll get into the top five. I will say this about Bo Nix. If he ends up, if this is a solid fantasy year. This is household name territory at this point. You know what I mean? Like if he goes out there and the Broncos perform because they're, you know, they're one of those teams that's like a Little bit of a dark horse super bowl threat, I think with that defense and Bo Nicks and you know, you're talking about kind of a stalwart in fantasy for a decade to come if he can go out there and do it in year two. All right, moving on. Number five, Jaden Daniels comes in at number five after the five overall finish as a rookie. That rushing number that he's able to put up, it's a great weekly floor. You got those numbers at the top of the show. You know, the top quarterback has 20 plus percent of their fantasy points coming from rushing the football. That puts them in contention to finish it or at quarterback one.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

QBRB one. So, you know, we know what he brings to the table. The schedule is going to get a little more difficult this year, but I mean, the top tier finishes that you get from him 38% of the time. I hope Terry comes back.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, the trade Demand from Terry McLaurin matters a lot for Jaden Daniels. As of right now, we believe Tara McLaurin will sign a contract with the Commanders and you know, and then it won't matter. And if that happens, you're talking about a pretty good upgrade here to his weapons. Adding Debo Samuel. You know, he really did not have another player to throw the ball to last year. Hopefully Ben Sennett can also step forward. And you like Jalen Lane? I do. I think Jalen Lane is a name that we haven't brought up enough. He's a rookie coming in, really talented, has looked good in camp. So that's, that's certainly a name worth talking about when we talk about Jaden Daniels.

[Jason Moore]

Yep. Zach Ert still in the mix around the goal line where he was very effective last year. And you know, the potential is there for Jaden Daniels to cement himself again just like Bo Nix is the next fantasy star.

[Andy Holloway]

For the 10 years, everything that I was talking about with Kyler where it's like I want him to take off and run whenever there's that, that little blink moment. Oh, there's open field. I could just go get the first down right now. Jaden Daniels does that. I salivate at Bo Nix's 92 rushing attempts. That's awesome. Jaden Daniels had 148 rushing attempts and it's not all because of designed runs. It's because, oh, look, field watch what I can do over and over and over. So he is, he's a risky pick for those top guys because he costs a lot. But I don't think Bo Nix has Overall Quarterback 1 Potential Jaden could easily do that. Can easily.

[Jason Moore]

He's a. He is the quarterback. Three off the board, though. In the third round, we have him ranked at five. So from a value perspective, that's where you need.

[Andy Holloway]

That's where you need to look at the upside meter in the UDK and combine that with the ranking.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Number four, Joe Burrow comes in at number four. You know, we saw it all out there last season. No defense, everything in his hands. Utilizing Chase Brown, like Austin Eckler, Jamar Chase with the triple crown season, T. Higgins, Jamar Chase back on the contracts.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know what to do with.

[Jason Moore]

Number one quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know what to do with. What was that sentence? I don't know what to do with Joe Burrow. When I finished my initial pass at my rankings, do you know where Joe Burrow was?

[Jason Moore]

For me, I think very high.

[Andy Holloway]

How about quarterback one, which is what.

[Jason Moore]

He was from week nine on last year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, this is. This is maybe the best quarterback in the NFL combined with a bad defense and the best weapons.

[Jason Moore]

He is what Mahomes used to have to be.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

That's what he is right now. He's in the Mahomes phase of his career where you're 250 plus three touchdowns every week, no matter what. And what's funny is Joe Burrow has never had an off season. You go back, literally, this is the first time Joe Burrow has been healthy during an off season and during a training camp time, Bengals fans go knock on wood. This is the first time it's ever happened.

[Andy Holloway]

And he's going into year six, so that's pretty wild.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And they. And they.

[Andy Holloway]

I think the. I think the Patrick Mahomes thing you're bringing up is a really good way to look at it. Like, if you were to.

[Jason Moore]

It makes me more comfortable with him.

[Andy Holloway]

It does. If you were to swap Mahomes and Burrow right now, teams, I would love Patrick Mahomes. If you're telling me he's playing on a team with no defense and he's got T. Higgins and Jamar Chase and Chase Brown out of the backfield. Go get him. That's what Joe Burrow is right now. And so I.

[Jason Moore]

Fourth round QB4.

[Andy Holloway]

I had to lower him in my rankings because I would never take him personally over the four runners mobile rushing quarterbacks. And so it was. He was too high. And I just don't like spending. I mean, you look at Baker vs. Joe Burrow and you go, okay, what's the Gap there. Baker just threw for, you know, 40 touchdowns and well over 4,000 yards is very similar to Burrow.

[Jason Moore]

The problem of putting Burrow on your team right now is that Jalen Hurts is a fourth round pick too.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And you know you ended up with Jalen Hurts in your most recent mock.

[Andy Holloway]

And I took him over Joe Burrow and I did that with T. Higgins on the roster.

[Jason Moore]

Well, that's what I was going to say. That would be the differentiator to me. If I'm sitting in the fourth round and I had Higgins or Chase, I'm taking Burrow over Hertz. I'm just going to do that because I like having a good time.

[Andy Holloway]

The stack is so fun.

[Jason Moore]

I like that's the most fun time you can have.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Jason Moore]

So I would do that. But again, I will highlight. Look, you're. You're a 200 yard rusher at best. So if you don't throw 40, you're not happy with where you draft Joe Burrow.

[Andy Holloway]

He's so expensive for a pocket pass.

[Jason Moore]

He's just a good bet to throw 40. As good a bet of any money. Of, of any money. Of any money. Bunny. Bunny is as good of a bet as anybody. Number three there is Jalen Hertz. Jalen Hurts is kind of a machine and you know, he is. He was a quarterback nine last year, missed two games. Obviously it was Saquon's incredible season. Right. You depended on Saquon. The defense is fabulous. That's the. One of the bigger points against Jalen Hurts is the defense is so good that you need to do your damage in the first half or you did last year. But there is a lot of margin for the passing volume to go up for the, you know, for Jalen Hurts to need to throw it more and then he has the weapons to do it. So, you know, it's not 2022 where he's 25 points a game. He's been at 21 for three of the last four years. That's what you can kind of expect from Jalen Hurts and that's great.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's fine. And he is not going to cost you a second round pick like Josh Allen. But he won't be too far away from Josh Allen in fantasy points. Like if I had to get a second round running back and Jalen Hurts versus a fourth round running back and Josh Allen, I will clearly take the Jalen Hertz site. So I think roster construction, fantasy football strategy, that matters a lot. Jalen Hertz is pretty much a lock for 10 rushing touchdowns. The tush push has gone nowhere. And when I say a lock for 10, it's probably a long for 15 rushing touchdowns. I, you know, we don't know. Saquon scares me on both sides, right? Because obviously if he does what he did last year and get close to breaking the rushing yardage record and you know, go out there and run the ball for 2,000 yards, that, that's going to hurt Jalen Hertz. But at the same time, that workload he had at his age, if Saquon were to go out and get injured and you've got to throw the ball more, you know, the passing work really can go up this year despite having a good defense. So I just like talented players. Jalen Hurts is talented, he's got a great receiving core. I wish their defense wasn't as good, but I'm totally down taking Jalen Hurts number two.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I've got him at one, Mike has him at one, Jason at three, so he comes in at two. In our consensus rankings it's Josh Allen, also a machine.

[Andy Holloway]

Excellent.

[Jason Moore]

The Stallion himself. He is the QB one off the board in ADP right now. He is the most consistent thing in fantasy football possible at quarterback. You've seen it for six full years now, the last four. Even with the James Cook explosion, the rushing game, the change in philosophies, he's still barely, barely underneath his points per game of his number one overall finish in 2023, he was the MVP of football. And so he's expensive, right. He's going to be a late second round pick if you want him. You got to spend up starts the year against Baltimore and the jets on the road. But Josh Allen is just, he's very, very safe. He's just not, he's just not a value.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's that. I mean I, it's funny, I can't imagine drafting Josh Allen in fantasy football right now. I would love to have Josh Allen in fantasy football. I just don't want to sacrifice a second round pick. So again, pay attention to your draft. If your league is pushing quarterbacks a little bit later, another round or two, go ahead and grab Josh Allen. You know, when he becomes a value, when there's a drop off in the elite running back and wide receivers, I personally can't see taking him over Lamar Jackson. I think that if you look at how Lamar Jackson has leveled up in his system and how Josh Allen has leveled down in his system just from a statistic accumulation standpoint, like we know the Bills really Really, really want to run the ball. And you know they've done that. Like Josh Allen threw for 3,700 yards this last year. The new system has really incentivized that. He doesn't have great weapons. You know, Lamar Jackson, I think he's going to throw for 4,000. Josh Allen has gone down in that category. The rushing yardage, you're talking about Josh Allen being at, you know, mid-500s probably, whereas Lamar Jackson could push 1,000 or should be in the 800s.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean Allen's going to have double digit rushing touchdowns. That's not something that Lamar is guaranteed to have. I will say this like the bust rate like for Josh Allen went way, way up last year. So even though the fantasy finish was pretty good, points per game was pretty good. He had a 25% bust rate which was the highest since his rookie year and way higher than the year before which was only 6% of the time. So even though the great was great, you definitely had a drop off at times. Whereas Lamar number one, Lamar Jackson was with Baker as 50% of the time finishing in the top six at the position that is, he was so good that that's delightful. And he was the second highest points per game of his career going back to his MVP season in 2019, which was 27.7 per game. Last year he was 25.3 per game. He is also drafted behind Josh Allen by, you know, a few picks at least. And it was his most consistent fantasy season of all time. Sixteen finishes in the top 12, that.

[Andy Holloway]

Was, that was the weird thing. And I want to make sure that we don't just see what he did last year and project that for this.

[Jason Moore]

Year on Lamar like we did in 2019-2020.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I can't imagine that it is this consistent. He's never really been the most consistent. He's got those massive boom games now. I don't know if having Derek Henry there, you know, making defenders stack the box, is that what really changed things for Lamar? If so, great, let's, let's keep that going. But also similar to Jalen Hertz, if you've got a guy that's rushing for 2,000 yards that could end up taking some of his work down, but the rushing lanes were open for him. He's going to run for over 750 yards. So he's not going to have a bad fantasy season at all. These guys are safe. Just don't. I still wouldn't draft one of these guys over the elite running back or wide receivers if they're still on the board.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, no, it makes sense. And if you have a late round quarterback to throw out as the countdown comes to a close. Mike wanted us to mention Justin Fields.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, for sure he loves Justin Fields who has always been good for fantasy. Even the first four or the first six weeks last year he was pretty good for fantasy.

[Jason Moore]

For me AS Jordan Love, 11th round, you know, borderline free quarterback he could go nearly undrafted in your league, has finished at QB5 before. Love the ensemble. Love the packers opportunities this year to be a difference making team. So Jordan Love is my late round guy.

[Andy Holloway]

For me it's Drake May. He showed enough flashes. He is a player that I think could go out there and rush for 500 yards level up in year two he adds Stefan Diggs. I think the receiving core is going to be better and Vrabel is going to have a much better team and system than what Drake May had last year.

[Jason Moore]

All right, that is it for today's episode. Ice and Fire Mike right back in the building tomorrow. Another mock draft this week and a bunch of great shows as we get you ready for the 2025 NFL season, which is coming quickly. One more reminder. Check out ultimate draft kit.com pick up the UDK with the new Value Scout Tool and the Draft Analyzer and get yourself ready to make your friends look stupid on draft day. Goodbye everybody.

[Adrian]

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[Andy Holloway]

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